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B
There
we
go.
Yes,
welcome
everybody
to
our
weekly
back
backdrop,
outreach
meeting.
I
was
just
waiting
for
the
actual
stream
to
start
so
I
could
pause
it
if
somebody
could
share
the
link
to
the
stream
in
zulu.
That
would
be
good
for
those
who
are
watching
anyways.
This
is
our
every
other
week.
Outreach
meeting
we
are
streaming
live
on
youtube.
B
B
So
my
my
presence
around
backdrop
has
been
a
little
lighter
than
usual,
but
I
think
that
my
schedule's
clearing
up
a
bit-
and
I
I
have
some
things
I
want
to
finish-
or
you
know
get
back
on
so
hopefully
you'll
you'll
be
seeing
more
of
me
other
than
at
these
weekly
meetings
and
the
other
big
update.
I
often
give
my
wildlife
updates
and
I'm
excited
today,
because
we
had
a
black
bear
in
the
front
yard
yesterday,
which
is
unusual,
so
we've
got
a
fox
that
comes
out
every
day.
That's
getting
boring
now.
B
That's
I
used
to
be
excited
about
that
anyways
robert.
Do
you
want
to
go
next.
C
I'm
robert
lang
from
altadena
california,
a
bug
folder
on
the
internet,
and
I
guess,
like
tim,
I
like
to
look
out,
see
wildlife
out
this
direction.
There's
nothing
there
right
now,
so
I'll
pass
it
over
to
gray.
A
Hi
greg
usually
in
australia,
but
now
stuck
in
greece
until
july,
2nd,
hopefully
we'll
make
it
back.
I
haven't
joined
the
meetings,
the
weekly
meetings
in
like
two
or
three
weeks
now,
so
I
would
like
to
catch
up
with
everything
and
help.
However,
I
can
excited
about
the
release,
which
is
to
happen
on
the
15th
and
I'll
pass
it
on
to
salvatory.
D
E
Hi
I'm
jen
lampton
joining
from
oakland
california.
I
have
a
terrible
headache
today,
so
I'm
trying
to
hide
in
the
dark,
but
looking
forward
to
outreachy
things.
Let's
see
luke.
F
All
right,
I'm
luke
mccormick,
I'm
in
san
ramon,
california.
I
I
try
to
help
with
very
sort
of
marketing
things.
I
I'm
I'm
horribly
oversubscribed
all
the
time.
So
I
I
try
to.
I
try
to
make
fewer
promises
than,
but
I
end
up
making
them
anyway
and
let
me
throw
it
off
to
pono.
G
Hey
I'm
pono.
I
work
at
the
software
freedom
conservancy
I'm
up
in
oregon
and
my
wildlife
update
is
that
the
canvas
is
blooming,
and
so
I'm
really
excited
to
go
harvest
some
this
weekend
and
then
what
is
what
is
canvas?
G
It's
a
it's
a
bulb
that
was
eaten
by
the
kawapuya
people,
and
so
that's
the
that's
the
land
that
I'm
on
right
now
and
so
yeah.
I
haven't
harvested
it
myself
before
so
I'm
excited
to
see
I
don't
poison
myself,
so
if
I
don't
make
it
to
the
next
meeting,
you'll
know
that
was
my
experiment
gone
wrong,
but
yeah
thanks
for
having
me.
B
Well,
thanks
for
joining
us,
so
yeah,
I
think
we
got
a
lot
to
talk
about.
I
have
been
the
last
couple:
outreach
meetings,
sharing
that
my
mural
board.
I
think
I'm
going
to
skip
that
today,
because
we
have
a
bunch
of
other
things
to
talk
about.
B
Well,
I
yeah,
I
got
it
open
in
front
of
me,
but
let's,
let's
move
on
to
sort
of
just
the
general
things
to
do.
I
we
want
to
talk
about
the
newsletter.
I
think
we
should
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
sarvashri
and
I
started
working
on
this
week
and
we
need
to
talk
about
backdrop.
Live
are
the
two
big
things.
Is
there
anything
else
that
people
outreach
stuff
that
people
specifically
want
to
talk
about
today?
B
D
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
make
a
note
something.
Oh
I
see
I
somehow
got
locked
out
of.
B
B
Sorry,
let's
start,
let's
go
ahead
and
start
not
talking
about
well.
First
of
all,
are
there
if
I
were
showing
my
mural
board,
I'd,
be
looking
for
social
media
or
blog
post
ideas,
anything
that
we
can
socialize
in
terms
of
outreach?
Does
anybody
have
any
anything
new
that
we
can
add
to
that
list?.
B
A
B
That
is
certainly
a
good
point,
and
that
will
be
on
our
list.
Jan
we
were
talking
about
the
the
t-shirts
and
sweatshirts
came
up.
I
think
in
the
past
I
tend
not
to
tweet
about
them,
because
I
think
we've
decided
that
we're
really
not
pushing
them.
Is
that
still
the
case.
E
We
don't
make
a
lot
of
money
off
of
them,
they're
most
valuable
as
a
promotional
tool
so
like.
If
there
is
an
in-person
event,
it
makes
sense
to
have
people
wearing
them
there,
because
then
other
people
will
see
them
and
go
what's
backdrop,
but
I
feel
like
in
this
like
online
world,
it's
like
not
as
valuable
for
us,
but
yeah
I
mean
if
every
now
and
then
you
want
to
mention
them.
I
think
that's
fine,
but
it's
not
not
important
to
push.
I.
A
B
B
Pono,
if
you
have
ideas
about
what
we
you
know
things,
we
could
sfc
related
that
we
could
be
sharing
in
our
social
media.
Let
us
know
anyways,
so
I
actually
think
I'm
not
short
of
ideas.
I've
been
more
short
of
time
lately
on
that.
So.
A
With
regards
to
the
donations,
can
I
ask,
do
we
want
to
be
transparent
about
like
first
of
all
we're
asking
for
donations?
But
where
are
we
spending
that
money
or
if
we
are
making
a
campaign
about
the
nations?
Should
we
should
we
make
it
clear
that
we're
sort
of
like
gathering
money
for
regular?
E
B
Do
I
am
a
little
hesitant
to
ask
for
donations
or
I'm
not
hesitant,
to
ask
for
donations,
I'm
hesitant
to
sort
of
push
for
them
exactly?
Is
that
we're
not
you
know
it's
like
I'm,
not.
We
don't
have
a
real
clear
what
you
know.
Why
are
we
raising
them?
How
are
we
spending
the
money,
so
I
think
I'd
feel
better
about
those
things,
but
I
kind
of.
B
That's
something
maybe
the
pmc
needs
to
talk
about.
Okay,
sorry
enough,
so
I
mean
for
those
that
are
watching
this.
We
do
have
certain
monthly
expenses
right
or
the
note
or
a
few
things
like
that,
and
primarily
that
those
are
have
been
our
major
expenses.
We
don't
have
many
others,
although
we
did,
for
example,
just
have
a
pmc
member
attend
a
training
session
on
code
of
conduct
stuff,
and
that
would
be
another
place
where
we
would
spend
these
kinds
of
funds.
B
But
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
communicating
them
and
that's
actually
another
a
good
blog
post
or
something
we
might
want
to
socialize.
B
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
move
on
to
the
the
newsletter
and
talk
briefly
about
that,
because
in
our
meeting
two
weeks
ago
we
we
actually
had
a
run
of
two
or
three
months.
We,
after
a
very
erratic
history
in
terms
of
getting
our
newsletter
out
peter,
did
a
great
job
of
getting
it
out
for
two
or
three
months
in
a
row
this
month.
B
I
volunteered
to
do
that
and
have
been
slow
on
that,
so
we're
already
that
we
usually
try
to
get
it
out
right
at
the
end
of
the
month
or
right
at
the
beginning,
and
it's
already
the
13th
at
the
two
weeks
ago.
Peter
was
a
little
bit
concerned
about
content
like
if
we
had
enough
content
since
then,
I
think
I
have
plenty
of
ideas
about
content.
I
just
have
to
pull
it
together.
B
However,
we
do
like
to
do
a
newsletter
on
the
well,
I
think
in
the
past
the
idea
jen
hasn't
been
to
do
it
two
weeks
after
a
release.
E
E
I
would
say
the
reason
for
sending
it
earlier
is
so
that
we
can
promote
backdrop
live
sooner
so
that
people
wouldn't
get
that
on
their
schedule,
but
yeah,
I
think,
there's
no
harm
in
doing
it
twice
and
we
could
even
make
sure
we
did
it.
You
know
now
and
then
two
or
even
three
weeks
after
the
release
would
be
fine
too.
If
we
thought
that
two
weeks
after
it
was
too
close.
D
Okay,
so
another
release
after
the
release
that
just
happened
not
long
ago.
B
The
release
we
just
did
a
sort
of
a
test
release
on
the
around
the
first
of
the
month.
That
was
our
code
freeze
and
or
our
feature
freeze,
which
isn't
that
yeah
and
what
happens
with
sarvashri.
B
What
happens
with
the
future
freeze
is
we
put
everything
that's
going
to
be
in
the
final
release
has
to
be
frozen
and
in
in
the
code
base,
and
then
we
do
a
preview
release
that
people
can
test,
but
this
is
kind
of
like
a
beta
test
of
the
new
release,
and
so
basically
we
wait
two
weeks
where
we
can
still
fix
refine
the
final
issues
and
also
people
can
report
any
bugs
with
the
beta
really
or
with
the
preview
release.
B
A
Well,
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
minor
releases,
so
we're
talking
about
the
the
releases
that
happen
three
times
a
year,
so
we
have
a
release
15th
of
january,
then
15th
of
may
and
15th
of
september.
Just
before
we
do
those
releases
two
weeks
before
they
happen.
We
do
a
pre-release
to
give
people
enough
time
to
test
it
and
so
that
we
can
polish
things
before
they
go
out.
B
B
So
what
you're
thinking
of
18
3
is
that
was
just
a
bug
fix
and
a
security
release.
Okay,
there
were
no
no
new
features
in
them:
okay,
okay,
so
this
weekend
on
or
about
the
15th,
we
will
be
having
a
new
minor
release
with
new
features.
B
B
Well,
they
will,
but
what
we're
we're
going
to
wait
until
the
the
newsletter
after
that,
because
before
we,
we
sort
of
really
promote
the
new
release.
We
like
to
give
a
little
bit
of
time
for
to
make
sure
everything's
been
updated
and
also
sometimes
there
we
discover
bugs
after
a
release-
and
you
know
within
sometimes
within
two
weeks.
We've
done
a
a
bug
fix
to
fix
any
bugs,
and
it's
sometimes
better
to
kind
of
wait
before
you
do.
Your
big
official
announcement
until
after
after
people
have
tried
it
out.
D
Well,
that
makes
sense.
I
understand
how
it
really
doesn't
work
so
bug
fixes.
I
mean
security
releases
can
happen
anytime.
B
Well,
let's,
I
think
we
should
move
on
and
talk
about.
B
The
backdrop
live
because
this
is
coming
up.
We
have.
B
We've,
I
think,
firmly
determined
that
it's
in
july
I'm
I'm
going
to
double
check
the
date
the
if
it
was
the
10th
or
the
11th.
B
So
this
will
be
our
third
backdrop
live,
we
started,
we
were
well,
we've
been
talking
about
it.
We
we
were,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
it
at
our
last
meeting.
I
believe
we
start.
One
of
the
things
we
were
talking
about
was
the
schedule
and
the
timing.
D
D
B
Okay,
good
and
there's
we,
so
we
talked
about
spending
a
little
bit
of
time
at
all
of
our
outreach
meetings
planning
this
one
of
the
things
we
we
do
have
a
github
issue
open
where
we
we're
talking
a
little
bit
about
the
various
tasks
and
sort
of
setting
up
a
template
for
what
we
need
to
do
for
this
and
for
future
backdrop,
lives.
B
A
E
B
B
The
problem,
of
course,
is
no
matter
when
we
started
it's
early,
it's
early
for
some
people,
one
of
the
things
we
in
the
us
where
most
of
our
participants
were
were
we
had
like
one
block
of
sessions
on
saturday
morning
and
that
one
only
had
like
two
sessions
in
it,
so
that
didn't.
I
think
that
didn't
work
out
very
well
and
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
is
we
really
want
to
have
some
like
saturday
content.
B
B
But
I
just
don't
know,
the
problem
is,
of
course,
settling
on
some
alternative.
We
we
have.
E
B
B
And
you
know
if
we
were
to
try
and
be
equal,
it
would
be
exactly
24
hours,
but
but
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
we
did
that
extra
thing
at
the
end
was
we
didn't
want.
The
end
of
backdrop
live
to
happen
in
the
middle
of
the
night
in
the
u.s,
because
then
you
know,
three-quarter
two-thirds
of
the
participants
were
from
the
u.s,
so
that
would
mean
that
bankrupt,
live
was
sort
of
ending
at
a
time
with
very
little
participation.
B
B
For
pono's
sake
and
anybody
else
who
wasn't
involved,
this
is
a
rough
schedule
for
last
time.
I
think,
and
basically
what
we
have
been
trying
to
do
with
our
backdrop
live
is
to
accommodate
a
global
schedule
is
to
kind
of
go
on
a
three-hour
block,
so
three
hours
on
three
hours
off
three
hours
on
throughout
the
night,
and
we
have
had.
B
This
is
backdrop
live
one,
I'm
sorry.
So
this
this
one
went
it
started
on
thursday
night.
We
started
on
thursday
evening
in
in
san
francisco
and
ended
on
saturday
afternoon
in
san
francisco
last
time.
Backdrop
two
we
started
on
friday
morning
and
then
we
went
through
saturday
morning
and
we
did
go
a
little
bit
more
than
24
hours
in
order.
B
You
know
we
we
didn't
tie
ourselves
to
that
exactly,
but
then
we
we
we
got
at
least
some
feedback
that
you
know
that
if
we
don't,
you
know
that
we're
skewing
that,
if
we're
looking
for
a
global
audience-
and
we
skew
it
towards
more
participation
in
the
us
that
counters
that
argument
a
little
bit
anyways.
E
I
kind
of
like
the
schedule
we
did
last
time
with
the
exception
of
that,
I
would
almost
want
to
continue
one
more
three
hour
block
into
saturday
so
that
anyone
is
there
saturday
morning
gets
invested
and
then
can
stay
a
little
longer
than
being
like.
Oh,
it's
9am
at
least
you're
in
california,
at
9am,
but
yeah.
I
thought
starting
early
friday
morning
was
fine.
E
B
I
must
have
it
in
my
other.
Google
account
this
google
account
has
the
just.
Has
the
two
backdrops,
the
first
one
yeah?
Oh
no,
this
is
it
isn't
it
here
it
is.
This
is
this
was
the
last
background,
so
we
started
at
on
the
east
coast.
We
started
at
6
a.m
on
friday
and
we
ended
at
9.
00
am
at
the
west
coast
on
friday.
Yeah
did.
B
So
yes,
adding
another
time,
slot
per
block
on
saturday
is
a
possibility.
D
E
B
We
have
nothing
against
repeating
content,
especially
because
we
have
sessions
in
the
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
You
know
for
different
time
zones,
so
we
would
love
to
repeat
content.
I
think
the
the
time
slots
that
are
the
busiest
are
the
busiest
because
of
when
they
are
and
less
about
the
content.
For
example,
I
think
this
this
was
the
most
popular
time
slot,
probably
basically
from
noon
to
3
p.m.
West
coast
time
it
certainly
the
times
thought
we
had
the
most
sessions
because
most
that
was
the
time
that
most
people
were
available.
B
D
Getting
started
with
backdrop
was
popular,
and
it
happened
at
what
time
of
day
at
noon
on
the
west
coast,
which
is
probably
so
what
about
people
overseas?
Were
they
in
a
bad
time
for
them.
B
B
We
talked
about
doing
that
session
twice,
but
we
just
never
got
anybody
to
volunteer
to
do
it
because
we
need,
if
we're
going
to
do
that
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
We
need
somebody
from
europe,
that's
willing
to
do
it,
that's
going
to
be
up
at
3
a.m
and
that
so
that
was
the
problem
in
terms
of
doing
it
twice.
F
Is
there
something
I'm
missing
is
there
which,
which
is
the
group
that
that
would
greatly
prefer
the
last
session
slot
over
three
hours
later?
Okay,
because
for
fresh
west
coast
people,
you
know
six
to
nine
a.m.
Is
a
super
awkward
time
to
end
things,
whereas
9
a.m
to
noon
would
be,
would
be
fine,
which
would
be
like
a
nice
saturday
morning.
So
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
who
would
be
against
that.
B
Like
what
are
the
no
nobody,
I
think
we
just
talked
about
that
doing
that
this
time,
that's
certainly
an
option
yeah.
The
the
argument,
though,
and
I
suspect
somebody
will
raise
it
is
then
what
we're
doing
is.
We
are
overloading
the
schedule
with
time
slots
that
are
good
in
california
and
underloading
it
with
time
slots
that
are
good
in
australia,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
can
avoid
that.
A
We
can
tell
people
that
look
if
for
for
certain
sessions,
but
not
for
all
of
them.
It
would
be
as
as,
if
we're
duplicating
that
the
same
date
like
that
one
day
twice,
but
we
can
say
if
you
missed
that
session,
it's
happening
again,
eight
hours
from
now,
which
I
think
it's
sort
of
like
gonna,
cover
other
time
zones
or
things
like
that
or
or
call
for
people.
If
you
wanna
repeat
that,
and
if
you
missed
it,
we're
happy
so
long
as
we
have
someone
to
accommodate
it
right
to
repeat
it.
F
B
Like
well
how
we,
how
we
got
to
that
being
the
last
session,
is
that
we
we
set
out
with
24
hours
schedule
and
we
decided
we
wanted
to
start
it
at
6
a.m,
because
we
wanted
to
get
two
blocks
of
time,
because
you've
got
6
a.m.
On
the
west
coast
is
already
11
9
a.m
on
the
east
coast
yeah.
So
we
very
deliberately
thought
that
through
and
decided.
B
Well,
you
know
we
want
to
start
early
enough
that
we
can
get
two
big
blocks
of
time
in
the
u.s
and
then,
if
we
end
at
24
hours,
we're
ending
at
2
a.m
in
the
pacific
time,
and
that
seemed
like
an
even
more
awkward
time
to
end
the
session.
So
we
added
one
more
block
to
make
it
less
awkward.
And
now
what
you're
saying
is
it's
still
awkward?
So
we
should
add
one
more
block.
B
B
Be
10
or
it
would
be,
it
would
start
at
9.
No,
no,
it
would
be
like
at
noon,
wouldn't
it
well.
It
would
be
the
same
as
this,
but
the
next
day,
so
12
1
and
2
o'clock
yep,
but
we
have
to
acknowledge
then
again
that
we
are
skewing
towards
towards
u.s
participants,
but
I
just
think
that
they
think
that
that's
fair.
D
A
Yeah,
I
was
thinking
the
same,
provided
that
there's
people
that's
in
demand.
We
can
repeat
things
and
instead
of
doing
it
after
24
hours,
which
would
be
the
same
people
the
same
time
zones,
we
can
do
it.
You
know
repeat
the
same
session
after
12
hours
or
after
eight
hours,
which
would
be
a
different
time
zone
or
a
different
continent.
I
would
say.
B
Well,
what
I'm
I'm
hearing
some
agreement
that
we
should
add
a
a
a
a
an
additional
block
on
our
regular
three
hours,
three
hours
off
schedule.
Yes,
we
are
almost
at
48
hours,
then
well,
no,
we're
not
we're
at
about
a
day
and
a
half
so
but
I
I
don't
object
to
that.
That's
fine.
A
Look
if
it
is
a
the
last
slot
doesn't
have
to
have
a
gap
between
it,
so
the
last
two
slots
can
be
back
to
back,
meaning
well.
B
E
Yeah,
I
think
it's
it's
it's
easy
for
people
to
plan
around
if
it's
consistent
and
if
it's
not
like
you're
like
oh,
that's,
okay,
I'll,
have
a
three
hour
break.
I'm
gonna
move
this
meeting
to
this
time
and
then
you
show
up-
and
it's
like-
oh
oops-
there's
sessions
right
now,
because
this
time
block
doesn't
match
the
other.
It
just
makes
it
much
harder
to
plan
when
it
when
it
doesn't
follow
the
pattern,
and
especially
I
mean
maybe
it's
not
as
important
on
a
saturday
but
especially
because
we're
overlapping
with
the
work
day
on
friday.
E
H
B
A
Yeah
I
actually
took
some
sick
leave
just
participated
as
much
as
I
could.
E
A
We
have
the
numbers
in
the
first
column,
of
the
spreadsheet
that
finish
here.
Yes,
there
they
are.
A
B
I
hadn't
even
particularly
noticed
this,
so
the
welcome
session
got
the
most
participation
and
then
you
know
the
the
best
block
certainly
would
have
been
this
first
block
crm
was
pretty
high
up
too.
I
think
it
was
like
15.
H
B
E
I'm
convinced
that
helps,
but
I'm
in
specific
time
zone.
So
another
thing
to
think
about
too
is
like
we're
trying
to
make
the
times
geographically
like
distributed
fairly
geographically,
but
that
might
not
map
to
our
attendees,
and
I
know
that
we're
trying
to
make
it
map
to
our
attendees.
E
But
if
we're
thinking
about
like
okay,
if
the
majority
of
our
attendees
happen
to
be
in
pacific
time
zone,
I
don't
actually
think
they
are,
but
if
they
were,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
putting
the
most
burden
on
the
majority
of
our
people
so
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
that
is
valuable
to
think
of
things
that
way
or
not.
But
I
just
that's
what
I
was
thinking.
So
I
just
said
it
out
loud
right.
B
No,
it's
fair,
I
think
I
think,
there's
about
as
many
participants
or
in
the
first
one
I
didn't
I
didn't
have.
No.
I
have
no
idea
in
the
second
one,
the
first
one
based
on
registration.
We
had,
I
think
the
most
popular
time
zone
might
have
been
the
pacific
and
then
sort
of
eastern
central
was
about
the
same
and
so
with
the
current
schedule,
starting
at
6
a.m.
Pacific
and
9
a.m.
East.
B
B
E
A
B
Okay,
let's
make
those
two
changes:
we're
gonna
bump
it
one
hour
start
one
hour
later:
we're
gonna
stick
with
the
three
hours
three
hours
on
three
hours
off
and
add
one
block
on
saturday,
and
I
will
make
up
a
spreadsheet
that
I
can
share
with
folks,
reflecting
that
I
think
the
key
though
we
can
dink
around
with
the
schedule
all
we
want
and
for
this
schedule
to
work.
We
really
need
to
get
sessions
in
some
of
these,
especially
international
time
slots
yeah.
B
So
that
means
I,
in
my
view,
that's
sort
of
the
priority,
for
this
particular
upcoming
backdrop
live
is
to
make
that
you
know
to
get
better
participation
in
europe
and
asia
as
possible,
or
certainly
I
don't
care
where
they're
from,
but
just
so
that
they're
using
these
late
night
time
slots.
For
now
that
we
have.
D
A
time
schedule
we
can
promote
that
we
want
to
get
presenters
right
away
in
the
next
newsletter.
B
B
What
am
I
thinking?
I'm
thinking
that
I
want
to
I
I
we
don't
need
to
talk
about
this
too
much,
but
mid
camp
this
year
did
a
a
total
unconference
like
we
did.
They
only
did
it
during
the
day.
You
know
it
was
a
single
day
or
it
was.
It
was
more
than
one
day,
but
it
was
only.
It
was
in
the
u.s
time
zones.
B
They
we've
experimented
with
this,
but
they
had
a
way
for
people
to
submit
topics
on
the
website.
That
was
a
little
different
than
ours,
and
I
want
to
go
back
and
look
at
how
they
did
it
and
see
if
that,
but.
B
Normal
drupal
camps
frequently
have
sprints
going
on.
I
I
don't
know
if
I've
seen
any
really
successful
virtual
camps
that
have
included
sprints,
although
I'm
not
sure
I
looked
so
I'm
I
think
we
talked
about
it
in
our
first
one.
B
Certainly
you
know
I've
always
listed
like
you
can
certainly
sprint
during
backdrop
live,
but
we're
having
a
hard
enough
time
sort
of
scheduling,
content
to
say
that
you're
doing
a
sprint
is
kind
of
meaningless
unless
you've
got
somebody
facilitating
it
and
managing
it,
and
so
and
I'm
not
sure
we
have
the
capacity
for
that.
If
somebody
stepped
forward
and
said
hey,
I
really
want
to
sprint
during
backdrop
live,
that's
going
to
be
my
thing,
then.
Maybe
we
could
make
it
work,
but
without
that
I
just
don't
see
how
it
works.
B
B
A
I
don't
if
there's
enough
facilitators,
as
tim
said,
I
don't
want
to
limit
it
like
people
can
come
and
go
as
they
please
or
they
can
take
breaks
so
long
as
there's
people
around
enough
people
around
to
do
reviews,
or
you
know,
to
do
discussions
and
brainstorming
on
solving
issues
that
would
work.
B
When,
when
we
sprint
on
things
at
camps
or
or
event,
sarvashrei,
it's
kind
of
a
drop
in
and
drop
out
thing,
so
we
would
just
open
up
some
space
and
have
a
facilitator
there.
And
basically
it
just
means
that
if
you
want
to
help
contribute
to
backdrop
workout
code,
you
can
come
during
that
time
period
and
somebody's
there
to
sort
of
help.
You
and
direct
you.
B
B
Well,
it's
even
less
structured
than
that,
because
you
know
so,
but
yes,
it's
totally
unstructured
so
and
it
doesn't
have
to
conflict
with
our
schedule
at
all.
We
can
just
open
up
a
third
room
and
say
here's
a
room
to
sprint
in
the
problem.
Is
I
don't
want
to
open
up
a
room
and
say
here's
a
room
to
sprint
in
if
people
are
going
to
show
up
and
there's
nobody
there
to
help
them?
That's
not
helpful.
B
B
Okay,
the
other
things
that
came
up.
Yes,
we
can
we,
we
can
start,
you
know,
encouraging
people,
we
need
to
figure
out
the
mechanism
by
which
we
want
people
to
submit
sessions,
and
I
don't
think
if
people
have
ideas,
they
can
say
them
now,
but
we
don't
have
to
decide
that
this
minute.
B
B
One
of
the
things
I
that
that
I'm
going
to
keep
repeating
at
every
meeting
is
that
what
I
really
like
is
for
somebody
like
a
scheduling
coordinator
from
europe
or
from
asia,
somebody
that
can
take
over
responsibility
to
help.
You
know,
first
of
all,
to
be
there
during
the
event
during
these
those
time
slots,
but
also
to
be
able
to
sort
of
communicate
and
promote
getting
more
presenters
during
those
time
slots.
B
Well,
we're
getting
today
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting.
I
think
we've
made
big
progress
here
today,
so
I'd
be
happy
to
is
there
anything
else?
Regarding
backdrop
live
that
people
feel
like,
we
can
decide
today
or
should
talk
about.
A
Oh
just
the
if
we're
ready,
registration,
wise
and
and
payment
wise.
B
So
pono,
I
think,
is
still
here
and
one
of
the
things
pono
is
going
to
be
helping
us
is
figure
out
how
to
do
our
payment
set
up
a
payment
gateway
so
that
we
can
accept
registration,
which
is
really
and
to
be
clear.
I
I
think
our
plan
is
for
the.
As
for
the
last
two
that
we're
asking
for
a
suggested
donation,
there
is
no
technically
no
registration
fee.
It's
a
suggested
donation
to
participate.
B
And
one
of
the
holdups
has
been
given
figuring
out
a
payment,
a
payment
gateway
with
the
software
freedom
conservancy,
so
pono
will
hopefully
be
able
to
help
us
with
that.
B
B
B
A
B
A
Well,
with
regards
to
social
media
or
the
content
of
the
newsletter,
and
because
I
missed
a
few
of
the
previous
meetings,
what
about
with
regards
to
announcements
from
the
pmc
core
contributors?
Things
like
that.
B
I'm
sorry
what.
A
B
So,
in
terms
of
outreach,
I
I
personally
feel
like
we
need
to
be
well
that
the
pmc
needs
to
be
doing
a
better
job
of
communicating
what
it's
doing,
and
that
is
something
we're
working
on.
In
the
past.
It's
been
partly
been
because
the
pmc
has
been
fairly
inactive.
However,
we
did
have
a
meeting
about
a
month
ago
and
I
think
we
we
should
do
some
sort
of
a
public
update
on
what
the
pmc
is
doing,
but
that
really
requires
somebody
from
the
pmc.
B
We're
and
and
the
pmc
is
trying
to
schedule
another
meeting
now
and
I
think
at
that
meeting
we
need.
You
know
what
one
of
my
goals
will
be
to
come
up
with
a
better
strategy
for
that.
You
know
how
we're
gonna
communicate.
What's
going
on.
I
D
B
Well,
I
think,
first
of
all,
it's
to
me
like
differentiating
it.
It
makes
sense.
The
question
is
where
and
how-
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
we've
been
putting
a
lot
of
work
into
figuring
out
what
our
channels
are
and
what
to
communicate.
B
I
think
there
has
been
some
discussion
before
about
like
a
comparison
chart
of
backdrop
to
joomla
back.
You
know
drupal
wordpress,
but
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
where
that's
at.
I
think
that
largely
just
would
need
somebody
to
put
the
work
into
it
and
I,
on
a
related
topic.
One
of
the
things
we
talked
about
with
pono
earlier
today
is
that
some
we
have
been
making
an
effort
to
get
a
google
adwords
grant
so
that
we
could
do
advertising
on
google
adwords.
B
B
D
A
Well,
I
don't
have
immediate
thoughts
or
ideas
now
for
what
you're
suggesting
sebastian,
but
two
very
related
topics
is
one.
We
have
the
section
with
the
features
which
briefly
sort
of
like
outline
specific
features,
and
it
was.
A
We
decided
that
we
want
to
elaborate
more
on
those
like
have
them
linked
to
pages,
where
they
explain
a
little
bit
more
than
having
you
know
those
just
one,
two,
three
one,
two
two
line.
You
know
sentences
explaining
what
those
features
are
and
then
the
other
one
was
similar
to
what
they've
done
in
drupal.org.
D
So
with
the
feature
list,
not
only
what
the
feature
is,
but
why
it's
important?
Yes,
how
it
empowers
the
person
that
that
would
be
a
really
good
thing
to
include
to
make
it
complete.
So
the
people-
oh
it
has
this
feature.
Well,
so
what
you
know?
What
does
it
do
for
me?
You
know:
what
does
that
feature
do
for
me
that
that
these
others
don't
do.
That
would
be
important,
yeah
two
things.
You
know
what
we
want
to
feature
and
why
that
feature
is
important.
A
The
current
format
is
that
we
outline
those
features,
and
then
we
have
one
or
two:
you
know
cuts
phrases
for
each
one
of
them.
Instead
of
you
know
we're
explaining
it.
C
Yeah
thanks,
I
suspect
a
lot
of
people
are
making
would
be
making
their
decisions
or
looking
thinking
more
in
terms
of
head-to-head
comparison,
either
or
so.
If,
if
one
has
a
spreadsheet,
then
each
cell
of
the
spreadsheet
kind
of
has
to
be
pretty
terse,
but
if
we
it'd
be
nice,
maybe
to
have
a
comparison
of
backdrop
versus
wordpress.
C
D
Because
it
could
be
a
feature
and
then
you
could
check
off
what
what
cms
has
that
feature
which
one
does
not
have
it
so
that
people
at
a
glance
can
see?
Oh,
this
has
all
these
features,
and
this
one
doesn't
have
so
many
features.
C
Yeah,
although
a
lot
of
these
issues
are
difficult
to
reduce
to
just
check
boxes
or
simple
descriptions,
example
being
content
with
fields,
for
example,
you
know,
I
think,
that's
one
of
the
great
strengths
of
backdrop
and
drupal
a
wordpress
has
it,
but
you
need
to
use
a
commercial
plug-in
like
custom
fields
or
one
of
the
others,
and
then
pay
50
bucks
a
year
or
whatever
the
going
rate
is
for
those,
and
so
they
both
have
them.
D
B
B
We
started
for
the
last
two
weeks
meeting
and
I've
been
just
sort
of
walking
through
with
sarvashri
how
to
build
a
site
from
scratch,
and
we've
decided
to
take
the
idea
of
a
farmer's
market
and
build
a
simple
farmer's
market
site,
partly
because
that's
what
the
drupalite
user
guide
does,
although
I'm
not
sure
how
helpful
that
will
be
to
us,
but
it
can't
hurt
and
anyways
and
we're
trying
to
record
some
of
that,
and
hopefully
we
can
share
that.
B
The
content
we're
creating
from
that
and
it'll
be
a
really
good
introductory
sort
of
thing.
I
view
our
sessions,
it's
somewhat
experimental,
where
we're
just
sort
of
trying
this
on
the
fly
I
haven't.
You
know
I
so
far.
I
haven't
like
prepared
a
curriculum
in
advance
sarvajri
and
I
just
sort
of
sit
down
and
start
doing
the
work
live,
but
hopefully
we
may
be
able
to
get
a
little
more
organized
as
we
go,
and
I
may
make
that
you
know
at
some
point
survivor.
B
Maybe
we
can
invite
other
people
to
participate,
but
it's
really
targeted
at
beginners.
You
know,
folks,
who
are
like
really
new
to
background.
So
that's
one
thing.
The
other
thing
is
just
again.
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
pono
is
still
with
us.
I
think
in
pono.
Did
you
want
to
say
anything
to
the
group
or
say
hello
again
or
if
you're
still
there.
G
Yeah,
sorry,
I'm
just
trying
to
listen
and
get
familiar,
I'm
looking
forward
to
helping
out
with
the
event
as
best
I
can
so
yeah.
B
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
by
everyone.