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From YouTube: Baltimore County Agricultural Land Preservation Advisory Board Meeting, December 8, 2021
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B
A
F
A
Okay,
additionally,
we
make
recommendations
to
the
county
on
agricultural
zoning
issues,
other
issues
relating
to
agriculture
and
on
county
agricultural
easement.
With
the
board
members,
please
introduce
themselves
by
name
and
farming
affiliation,
I'm
merriment.
I
grow
corn
and
soybeans
in
northwestern
baltimore
county.
H
E
And
we
have
jim
enzer
and
erica
crowe
on
as
well
from
soil
conservation,
district
and
extension.
A
I
had
a
chance
to
look
for
this
over
any
conditions
or
corrections.
A
A
D
A
A
D
Yeah,
so
ecotone
would
like
to
come
in
and
do
a
stream
restoration
on
the
stream
that
runs
through
miss
cochran's
property
david,
and
I
were
just
out
there
doing
the
inspection.
Everything
is
good
on
the
property,
since
incotone
does
not
want
any
kind
of
overlay
easement.
D
They
are
within
their
right
to
go
and
do
this
without
coming
to
the
board,
but
they
would
like
to
come
before
the
board
to
kind
of
get
a
letter
of
support
from
the
board.
So
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
on
the
screen
here,
but
the
screen,
the
screen
stream.
Sorry
can't
speak,
there's
a
inching
closer
and
closer
to
the
house.
D
Let
me
see
if
I
can
mark
it
real,
quick
and
yeah
maybe
hold
on.
I
gotta
get
permission
from
david
david.
There
we
go
so
the
stream
actually
kind
of
runs
right
down
here
there
and,
of
course
the
house
is
right
here,
so
what
they
want
to
do
they
want
to
realign
the
stream
they
want
to
kind
of
push
it
up
into
the
field
a
little
bit
when
we
were
out
there.
I
believe
it
was
two
cows
david.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
head
out
there.
F
D
So
that's
basically
what
they
want
to
do.
We
do
have
aaron
here
from
ecotone.
If
you
guys
have
questions,
I
see
she's
on.
Let
me
just
let
me
unbe
here.
C
Yes,
that's
correct,
I'm
basically,
here
in
case
you
have
any
questions
about
specifics
for
the
project.
I've
met
with
the
landowner
a
few
times
and
she
is
very
supportive
of
this
project.
She
actually
came
to
us
with
it
with
concerns
and
we
actually
recently
submitted
this
project
for
a
cbt
grant.
C
We
were
trying
to
get
girls
approval,
but
the
november
meeting
had
been
cancelled,
so
we're
still.
We
would
still
obviously
like
your
approval,
considering
the
fact
that
she
has
the
easement
on
the
property.
D
I
guess
you
guys
would
just
if
you
come
to
an
agreement
yeah,
then
you
don't
need
to
actually
quite
make
a
motion.
But
to
my
knowledge
you
would
just
agree
and
get
a
letter
from
you
guys.
A
Are
there
any
comments
from
the
board
members
on
for
questions
for
the
for
evelyn
we've.
G
Done
the
site
inspection
you
all
have
davey
joe,
so
it
verifies
everything
they're,
saying
on
the
same
course,
I.
B
G
You
you
know
it
sounds
like
it:
it's
getting
a
little
dangerous,
because
the
watershed
has
moved
closer
to
the
resonance,
and
you
know
it
wouldn't
take
much
really
get
getting
worse.
But
anyway,
with
that
in
mind,
I
knew
that
we
approved
a
stream
restoration
on
stockholm's
property.
A
Okay,
all
the
board
members
in
agreement,
I'm
just
I'm
writing
a
letter
of
support
for
the
for
the
cochran
family
to
get
this
done.
Yeah.
H
A
To
everybody,
yep,
okay,
we
don't
need
to
vote
on
that.
Do
we?
Okay?
Who
will
who
that
says
something
the
office
will
do?
Okay,
the
office
will
take
care
of
writing
that
letter
and
we
will
send
out
a
letter
of
support
for
the
cochran
family.
A
That's
okay.
Can
I
go
to
the
next
one?
Okay,
the
next
one
is
from
the
hb
dunning
family.
It's
a
board
review
and
approval
for
a
family
lot
on
a
mouth.
Easement
and
megan
has
a
background
information
on
this.
E
All
right,
so
this,
like
john
said,
is
a
mouth
easement.
The
request
is
for
a
family
lot.
They
are
entitled
to
one
family
lot
and
carly
poe
and
her
husband
are,
would
be
the
ones
that
are
utilizing
this
lot.
E
They
have
provided
two
location
options:
option
one
and
option
two:
the
board
is
us
to
take
a
look
and
review
and
approve
the
family
lot
and
the
location
the
mouth
will
allow
one
acre
and
up
to
two
acres
if
it's
necessary
for
well
and
septic,
so
the
locations
that
they're
blocked
on
the
screen
right
now,
but
they're
in
your
packet
is
option
one
and
option
two
option:
one
is
off
of
the
existing
access
driveway
coming
from
four
mill
road
and
seems
to
be
centered
on
this
grove
of
trees,
which
is
not
obviously
in
their.
E
E
And
this
has
also
been
submitted
to
environmental
impact
review
for
their
review
and
they
sent
their
approval
of
the
location
as
well.
So
these
size,
like
I
mentioned,
can
be
one
can
be
one
acre
and
possibly
up
to
two.
E
These
drawings
are
slightly
on
the
larger
side,
but
if
we
can,
if
the
board
has
questions
and
then
we
can
talk
with
carly,
I
think
she's
online
about
the
location
as
well.
Carly.
Yesterday.
A
E
H
Well,
our
main
comment,
I
guess,
is
we
prefer
option
one
because
it
uses
the
driveway
and
it
goes
into
the
group
of
trees.
So
it's
not
going
into
the
the
fields
and
we
would
prefer
to
to
do
two
acres
versus
the
one
acre
if
possible.
H
It's
actually
a
little
less
than
two
acres.
It
depends
on
how
far
you
go
into
the
driveway
and
how
far
down
you
go
towards
like
the
center,
like
when
you're
looking
down
at
the
property
down
towards
the
center
of
the
property
like
towards
where
the
barn
is.
I
guess,
if
you're
looking
at
the
property.
G
G
I
agree
with
you
john,
I
think
option
one
makes
more
sense.
G
Again,
I
said,
like
I
said,
I
agree
with
john
mayer
and
I
the
option
one
his
preferable
option.
Okay,
so
I'll
make
a
motion
for
the
family
life
for
this
gunning
family
on
19821,
gourmet
road
outside
option,
one
all
those
in.
E
A
Is
kenneth
and
carol
lynch
westmore
road
of.
C
D
Yeah,
so
the
cell
tower
has
been-
and
I
don't
have
my
notes
with
me-
but
it
was
there
prior
to
the
easement
when
it
went
under
easement.
Apparently
nobody
realized
it
was
there
the
state,
so
they
need
to
get
special
permission.
D
D
Mr
lentz
wants
to
make
it
just
slightly
bigger
to
incorporate
these
stand
of
trees
that
surround
it.
As
you
can
see,
so
we
don't
have
a
rough
number.
What
that
is,
but
it
would
you
know
it's
gonna
definitely
be
underneath
an
acre
of
size.
A
D
Yeah,
so
yeah,
so
what
he
would
do,
what
he
would
pay
back
whatever
the
final
acreage
would
be.
I
believe
there
is
the
rate
in
the
the
notes.
Again,
I
don't
I
forgot
them.
I
don't
have
them
with
me
right
now,.
D
D
Yes,
for
david,
I
think,
if
you
get,
is
there
a
next
slide.
D
G
Yeah,
this
is
for
the
cell
tower.
F
B
D
Sorry
about
that,
we
I
saw
you
come
in
and
we
could
you
know
we
were
in
the
mid
store,
just
started
the
meeting,
so
I
couldn't
check
out
who
you
were.
I
should
have
yeah.
A
A
A
Been
added
since
you've
got
your
minute,
but
it's
for
the
ben
rubler.
He
is
requesting
a
review
for
legitimacy
of
farm
use
of
the
property.
B
E
E
This
is
two
parcels:
44
acres
off
of
old
court,
road,
primarily
forested,
as
you
can
see,
and
with
some
open
field
areas
as
well
joe
and
I
went
out
to
the
site
yesterday
and
we
have
some
photos
to
share
mr
stumbler's
letter.
He
describes
his
use
of
the
property
he
the
letter
there
is
on
the
screen.
He
has
grown
trees
and
shrubs
for
many
years
for
the
nursery
trade.
E
Just
to
share
meg,
hey.
E
Okay,
I'll
just
wait:
okay,
just
to
fully
disclose
all
the
information
that
we
have.
So
there
is
an
open
code
enforcement
complaint
on
the
property
regarding
the
operation
of
a
landscaping
business.
E
I
Hello,
hello
hear
you,
yes,
that
that
case
has
been
closed.
I
basically
retired
from
the
landscape
business
at
this
point
and
the
inspector
has
closed
that
there
is
not
an
open
complaint
now.
I
So,
basically,
I'm
you
know
I
I
did
landscaping
for
many
years
started
off
as
a
tree
farm
and
I
would
dig
my
own
trees
and
plant
them
for
people
and
there
are
quite
a
lot
of
trees
in
the
neighborhoods
that
are
from
my
farm
and
then
over
the
years.
I
I
got
away
from
tree
farming,
I'm
starting
to
renovate
the
fields
now
where
I
did
have
nursery
stock
and
it
is
overgrown
and
that's
it.
I
would
just
I
don't
know
what
else
to
tell
you.
I
A
I
Yes,
yes,
and
for
41
years,
that's
what
I've
been
doing
here
and
the
reason
I
wanted
to
get
this
is
because
we
had
a
neighbor
ward
that
started.
There
are
five
properties
back
here,
two
of
which
are
mine.
The
fifth
property
at
the
end
of
the
lane
is
owned
by
alan
kratz.
I
The
rest
of
us
have
been
here,
I'm
the
new
kid
on
the
block.
At
41
years,
his
son
took
over
the
property
at
the
end
of
the
pro
at
the
end
of
the
lane,
it's
a
private
lane
and
he
opened
a
campground
without
any
kind
of
authority
to
do
so
without
permits
without
proper
zoning.
I
G
I
I
I
don't
think
any
houses
could
be
built
here.
I
have
been
approached
over
the
years,
a
number
of
times
by
developers
and
I've
always
told
them
get
lost.
I
I
think
that
technically
there
could
be
one
lot
cut
from
each
of
these
properties,
but
it's
not
feasible.
It's
not
possible
because
of
the
access.
It's
a
it's
a
narrow
private
lane
with
five
properties
on
it
already
and
the
county
will
not
allow
any
more
properties.
Even
though
there's
a
possibility
of
cutting
these
two
lots
out,
but
it's
it's
like
on
one
hand
that
it
can
be
done
because
of
the
zoning.
On
the
other
hand,
it
cannot
be
done
because
of
the
limited
access.
I
G
Well,
I
think
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it.
I
think
it's
like
I
said
it's
appropriate
use,
he's
been
here
41
years,
doing
much
of
what
he's
still
going
to
be
doing
just
not
as
intensely
you
know,
just
leasing
some
of
the
land
out
for
somebody,
I
guess
who's
who
may
say
on
the
property
or
maybe
even
somebody
might
be
a
grain
farmer.
A
Other
comments
from
any
of
the
other
board
members.
G
I'll
motion
that
we
prove
that
the
use
of
44
acres
for
agricultural
use,
specifically.
G
A
I
I
I
A
F
John,
you
voted
in
the
affirmative
on
that,
just
because,
with
the
recusal
we
need
three
votes.
H
A
A
F
Meeting
the
powerpoint
here
so
I'll
do
my
best.
We've
talked
about
this,
the
last
three
meetings.
Now
our
efforts
to
update
the
the
lease
that
we
used
this
year
for
the
mouth
ranking.
So
I
think
the
best
way
to
do
this
will
be
to
just
quickly
go
remind
everyone
of
what
we've
talked
about
in
the
past.
Have
any
comments
that
come
across
be
addressed
and
then
I'll
ask
the
board
for
a
approval
of
this
new
version
of
the
lisa.
F
As
you
can
see
on
this
version,
as
in
the
one
on
your
packet,
the
the
old
sections
are
in
red
outline
or
crossed
out
and
then
the
new
editions,
I'm
realizing.
I
should
have
put
them
the
new
portions
into
some
other
text,
but
all
if
anyone
has
any
questions
I'll
be
sure
to
highlight
them
so
I'll
just
run
through
this
quickly.
F
First,
here
we
have
our
sections
about
soil
conservation
and
water
quality,
and
this
generally
does
the
same
thing
doesn't
really
change
the
point
assignments
just
allowing
for
more
of
a
clear
scale,
so
really
just
clarifying
things
and
then
separating
out
these
different
sections.
So
it's
easier
on
our
end
for
counting
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
Okay
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
I'm
shuffling
different
webex
screens
around
here,
okay,
so
our
next
one-
and
I
wanted
to
highlight
this
because
it
actually
is
a
bit
different.
Based
on
your
discussions
at
the
last
meeting
this
one,
we
are
swapping
out
some
of
the
titles,
just
historic
and
scenic
qualities,
and
then
some
of
the
suggestions
or
some
of
the
direction
that
is
made
for
people
using
this
form
so
very
quickly.
F
You
can
see
we've
once
again
broken
down
to
a
p4a
and
a
p4b,
and
then
the
big
thing
to
highlight
here
that
change.
I
just
referred
to,
I'm
realizing
that
I
I
think
I
somehow
messed
up
these
papers,
because
this
one
on
the
right
is
not
correct,
and
so
that
is
a
bit
embarrassing
on
my
part,
I'll,
find
it
and
highlight
it
when
we
get
to
it.
F
But
the
point
is
that
with
the
scenic
qualities
we
wanted
to
add
waterways
as
well
as
roadways,
so
for
those
properties
we
have
that
are
along
scenic
waterways,
if
someone's
boating.
We
want
to
be
able
to
consider
that
as
well.
F
Mentioned
I
kind
of
switched
up
some
things
here,
accidentally,
so
I'll
just
go
now
to
the
capital
improvements
portion.
We
talked
about
this
pretty
extensively
last
time
as
well.
C
F
Okay,
okay,
so
here
at
the
top,
you'll
see
the
navigable
waterways
that
I
just
mentioned,
and
then
I'll
switch
down
to
these
just
last
two
just
to
finish
out
so
with
road
frontage.
We
just
wanted
to
add
the
ability
to
give
zero
points
for
no
road
frontage,
easy
enough.
We
had
a
few
properties
this
year
that
received
three
points
just
even
though
they
didn't
have
any
road
frontage.
F
So
we
want
to
address
that
and
then
one
of
the
bigger
changes
we've
made
it's
development
right,
switching
again
from
the
categorization
to
a
more
of
an
assignment
based
on
the
exact
total.
This
concern
was
brought
up
really
because
of
some
properties.
We
had
with
a
very
high
amount
of
development
rights,
ended
up
getting
similar.
F
More
points
and
ones
with
very
low
development
rights,
so
this
is
just
breaking
that
down
a
little
more.
So
at
this
point
I
can
swap
back
and
forth.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
about
any
of
these
changes
we've
made,
I
think
the
whole
board
has
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
these
before
so.
Hopefully,
nothing
here
is
a
surprise,
but
if
any,
if
the
board
has
any
questions
I'll
do
my
best
to
answer
them
and
I
might
defer
to
meghan
or
joe,
if
need
be,.
A
I
mean,
in
other
words,
if
it's
just
a
barn
setting
there,
so
we
got
to
compare
that
to
property
with
just
a
barn
setting
there
to
other
pieces
of
property
that
we've
looked
at,
that
just
has
a
barn
setting
there
and
if
it's
a
dairy
farm,
then
you
compare
all
the
dairy
farms.
You've
looked
at
so
you're
last
sentence.
There.
F
Yeah,
more
or
less
that
language
is
carry
over
from
the
the
old
version
of
the
lisa,
and
so
I
think
that
is
if
we
were
saying
this
is
a
hay
farm
and
then
so
we
should
compare
this
to
other
hay
farms.
We
shouldn't
expect
to
see
silos
at
an
equestrian
farm,
something
that's
similar.
G
A
F
G
E
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
give
an
update
on
some
information
about
the
county
ag
program.
Give
a
report
of
where
we're
at
with.
B
E
E
We
allowed
applicants
to
apply
both
for
the
mouth
program
and
the
county
program.
Essentially,
at
the
same
time,
the
county
program
deadline
was
delayed
a
couple
of
months
because
we
were
updating
the
formula,
if
you
recall,
but
overall
we
had
13
applicants
for
the
county
program
and
most
of
those
except
the
ones
that
were
applying
without
density.
They
also
applied
for
the
mouth
program.
At
the
same
time,
we
decided
in
advance
of
the
program
that
we
for
those.
E
That,
essentially,
we
would
hold
the
offers
for
the
approved
county
farms
until
after
the
mouth
offers
came
out.
So
mouth
offers
typically
come
out
the
following
winter
or
spring,
so
we
had
applications
due
for
the
mouth
program
in
april,
the
county
program
in
september,
and
then
we
held
everything
until
the
mouth
offers
came
out
and
landowners
chose.
E
E
It's
as
I
mentioned,
one
of
the
farms
that
we
had
made
an
offer
on.
They
decided
not
to
move
forward
after
we
extended
the
offer
and
it
looks
like
there's
a
potential
at
least
one
of
the
others
not
following
through,
so
that
dollar
amount
may
go
up,
but
we
know
that
we
have
580
000.
At
this
point.
E
E
E
As
as
I
already
mentioned,
the
last
time
we
ran
it,
we
had
a
time
lag,
waiting
for
the
mouth
offers
to
come
out
and
our
process
is
long
to
be
fair
to
begin
with
and
adding
on
the
wait
time
for
the
mouth
offers
to
come
out
just
makes
it
even
longer.
E
So
I've
been
contemplating
that
a
bit
and
talked
with
some
other
counties
about
how
they
run
their
programs
that
also
have
both
county
programs
and
the
state
programs
they
use.
I
talked
with
frederick
county
and
hartford
county
specifically
the
long
and
the
short
of
it
is
that
you
know
there's
some
differences
in
in
their
programs,
so
that
landowners
might
not
be
as
likely
to
want
to
apply
for
both
programs.
E
They
might
steer
one
way
or
the
other
for
whatever
reason,
but
if
they
do
have
landowners
that
apply
for
both,
they
don't
hold
waiting
for
the
state
they
move
forward.
Let
the
landowner
make
the
decision
and
you
know
to
continue
forward
just
as
funds
are
available,
and
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
chose
to
do
that
was
because
we
didn't
want
to
lose
out
on
any
state
dollars.
E
However,
if
if
a
landowner
was
on
both
lists
and
they
chose
to
go
with
the
county
program
and
came
off
of
the
state
program,
we're
able
currently
how
the
state
runs
the
program
to
send
12
farms,
and
we
only
ever
make
it
down
a
portion
of
the
way
on
the
list.
So
if
one
of
those
farms
came
off,
we
would
just
be
able
to
pick
up
another
one
in
theory
on
our
list,
so
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
lose
out
on
any
funds
in
any
way.
E
E
So
john
asked
if
other
counties
have
the
same
option
of
two
choices,
so
other
counties
have
you
know
county
programs
that
run
in
slightly
different
ways
than
ours.
So
frederick
county,
like
I
said
there
are
differences
in
the
program
that
some
landowners
might
choose
only
to
apply
for
the
state
or
only
to
apply
for
the
county
for
different
reasons.
E
So
frederick
is
on
totally
different
cycles
of
how
they
do
it,
but
if,
but
they
could
apply
for
both,
but
the
cycle
timing
is
a
little
bit
different,
harford
county,
they,
yes,
they
can
apply
for
both,
and
you
know.
E
So
if
so,
the
other
part
of
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is
so
the
county
program.
We
are
we're
able
to
purchase
easements
on
properties
that
do
not
have
additional
density,
that
they're
extinguishing
through
the
easement,
which
is
different
than
the
state
programs,
which
do
require
that
you
are
extinguishing
density
with
the
easement
and
the.
The
reason
for
that
is
that
you
know
we
are
able
to.
E
We
are
guaranteeing
the
permanent
protection
of
these
acres,
because
even
if
there
are
no
by
zoning,
there
are
no
development
rights.
Unless
you
know
zoning
can
change
essentially,
so
the
easement
is
permanent
and
it
allows
us
to
add
those
permanent
protected,
protected
acres
towards
our
the
county's
goal,
which
is
currently
to
protect
at
least
80
000
acres,
and
it
allows
us
to
get
those
acres
at
a
significantly
discounted
rate.
But
I
wanted
to
talk
with
the
board
about
about
those
properties,
two
things
so
one.
E
There
are
provisions
in
the
I
guess
to
say:
basically,
there
are
no
additional
criteria
that
a
property
has
to
meet.
You
know
they
have
to
meet
the
same
soils
and
adjacency
to
other
properties.
E
To
apply
for
the
program,
but
there's
no
acreage
limitation
or
any
additional
criteria
that
a
property
without
density
has
to
meet,
and
I
wanted
to
see
if
the
board's
thoughts
on
you
know
kind
of
adopting
some
additional
criteria
for
properties
that
are
applying
without
density.
Do
we
want
just
any
20
acre
property
without
density,
or
do
we
want
to
consider
you
know
adding
some
additional
criteria,
whether
it's
just
an
acreage
amount
or
or
anything?
In
addition,.
A
E
There's
no
limits
associated
with
properties
without
density,
so
they
were
adjacent
to
other
protected
lands
and
then
all
the
other
criteria.
B
B
E
So
john
was
saying
that
you
know
he
thought
there
was
value
in
getting
the
acres
at
a
significantly
discounted
rate,
and
you
know
it
might
be
different
as
long
as
it
was
filling
in
an
area
and
not
just
you
know,
a
standalone
parcel
somewhere.
G
G
E
Well,
it
does
actually
have
to
be
if
it
is
not
adjacent
to
anything.
It
does
be.
E
All
right,
sorry,
this
is
our
technical
abilities-
are
really
strained
here.
E
H
F
And
megan
I'll
just
say
I
I
know
this
is
a
topic
that
we
are
also
interested
in
hearing
from
our
ex
officio
members
about.
So
just
throwing
that
out
there.
E
Yes,
I
will
send
it
out
to
everyone
and
would
like
to
to
get
some
feedback,
and
I
can
bring
back
a
summary
to
the
next
meeting
of
of
what
we've
heard.
E
Yep,
so
we
have
for
this
calendar
year
we've
been
working
on
25
easements.
We
have
four
mouth
easements
that
have
closed
in
the
calendar
year.
We
have
three
that
are
pending
settlement,
we're
just
watching
for
them
in
land
records.
E
We
have
two
that
joe's
worked
on
the
baseline
for
one
is
working
through
some
or
two
of
them
they're,
both
working
through
various
issues
until
they
are
pending.
E
We
have
eight
mouth
properties
that
got
offers
in
the
fy21
cycle,
so
those
are
moving
towards
the
process
of
closing
next
year
and
then
we
have
our
eight
county
easements
that
are
in
processing
as
well.
So
it's
been
a
been
a
good
year.
We've
closed
quite
a
few
and
have
a
quite
quite
a
few
in
the
in
process
as
well.