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A
Everybody
and
appreciate
everyone
being
here
and
we'll
try
out
this
three
o'clock
time
slot
and
we'll
talk
later
at
the
end
of
the
agenda
about
the
next
meeting,
and
I
want
to
allow
a
little
more
space
between
meetings,
because
we
will
need
to
focus
on
the
interim
report
and
a
couple
of
other
things.
So
I
know
the
subcommittees
have
been
busy
and
that
is
all
very
much
appreciated
and
we'll
get
to
we'll
get
to
that
when
we
get
to
item
three.
A
So
we
have
two
presentations
today
from
from
the
county
and
we
have
them
in
reverse
order.
I
understand
that
the
bc
staff
presentation
needs
to
go
first,
just
because
of
another
time
commitment-
and
I
will
I
think
we
will
start
with
that.
Elizabeth-
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
do
yeah.
B
I
do
I
do
and
thank
you,
everyone
and
I
know
both
jasmine
and
I
have
some
competing.
Unfortunately,
some
competing
appointments.
We
can't
change
so
we
may
be
hopping
from
phone
to
computer
over
the
next
two
hours
and
apologize
in
advance,
but
I
am
at
my
laptop
now
and
I
do
want
to
introduce,
as
our
first
presenter
this
afternoon
moment
of,
dare
who
is
the
county's
chief
data
and
performance
officer
moment
is
the
architect
of
our
bc.
B
Stat
management
system
has
worked
very
hard
over
the
past
year,
plus
to
understand
the
data
sets
that
the
county
has
gained
access
to
those
sets
working
with
departments,
including
rose
and
carlos
shops,
to
begin
to
understand
what
we
know
and
what
we
don't
know
about
various
functions
in
the
county
and
in
part,
prompted
by
the
work
of
this
commission
moment
and
the
team
were
able,
after
many
many
weeks
but
finally
got
appropriate
and
approved
access
to
the
systems
that
have
the
data
for
many
of
the
contracts
and
areas
of
interest
of
the
commission
and
and
actually
were
the
analysts
for
what
was
presented
as
the
2018
to
2020
data.
B
I
believe
that's
the
time
frame
as
part
of
that
disparity
study
presentation.
So,
in
the
interim,
the
team
under
moments
direction
has
looked
at
some
other
data
points
and
some
of
them,
I
think,
were
requested
early
on.
I
remember
scott
phillips
at
the
first
meeting,
asking
for
some
information
so
moment's
going
to
share
some
slides.
I
I
know
there'll
be
further
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
him
to
present
what
we
have
so
far.
C
Yeah,
thank
you,
elizabeth,
so
yeah.
My
name
is
moment
of
book.
Dear
I'm,
the
chief
data
and
performance
officer
and,
and
that
and
and
so
we've
been
tasked
sort
of
to
dig
in
to
a
lot
of
this
data
and
get
familiar
with
the
advantage
database
where
a
lot
of
this
is
stored,
and
so
we
we
were
able
to
pull
some
information
so
I'll
go
through
the
slides.
Some
of
the
limitations
that
we've
experienced,
but
again
just
some
of.
C
C
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
note
here
is
that
again
because
of
the
limitations
of
the
system,
whenever
a
master
agreement
is
changed,
a
new
virgin
is
created,
so
it's
very
hard
outside
of
a
manual
process
to
really
identify
whether
we're
looking
at
a
new
master
agreement
or
just
a
new
version
of
a
or
an
amendment
to
or
a
change
order
to
an
existing
master
agreement.
So
that's
one
thing
to
note.
C
The
other
thing
to
note
is
that
even
with
these
master
agreements,
you
know
they'll
have,
for
example,
a
three-year
term
for
the
master
agreement,
but
then
you
know
an
additional
two
year,
renewals
or
whatnot.
So
we,
you
know,
tried
to
exclude
the
version
issues,
but
we
kept
the
renewals
in
here,
because
a
renewal
is
kind
of
up
to
both
parties
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
renew
the
contract.
So
this
includes
renewals
and
new
master
agreements,
because
it's
very
difficult
without
a
manual
process
to
distinguish
the
two.
C
So
you
can
see
the
orange
line
or
non
mwbe
vendors
that
we've
seen
by
each
fiscal
year.
So
you
obviously
see
this
significant
increase
in
fiscal
year,
2021
and-
and
you
start
to
see
it
in
fiscal
year,
2020
again,
that
is
predominantly
due
to
covet
19
spending.
So
so
that's
that
and
then
on
the
next
graph,
you
see
sort
of
the
change,
also
in
in
the
mwbe
vendors
that
have
come
on.
C
C
One
thing
I
want
to
note
just
in
terms
of
how
we're
defining
an
mwbe
vendor
is
that
we
are
only
cross-referencing,
the
state
list,
so
the
maryland
state
list
of
certified
vendors.
So
if
there
is
a
vendor
who
may
be
mwbe
but
is
not
certified
or
certified
on
another
list,
such
as
the
baltimore
city
list,
they
would
not
be
included
in
this.
C
So
then
I
looked,
then
we
looked
at
total
expenditures,
so
this
is
just
a
breakdown
of
the
money
that
this
is
total
money
spent
by
the
county
in
general,
whether
it's
capital
or
whether
it's
general
fund
money
and
you
can
see
about
75
of
the
expenditures
of
the
county
are-
are
are
related
to
the
general
fund
with
about
25
on
average
being
the
capital
fund,
and
you
can
see
that
the
capital
fund
doesn't
really
change
too
much
year
over
year
from
fiscal
year
2017,
but
we
do
see
slight
increases
in
the
general
fund.
C
The
top
five
one,
one
of
the
requests,
I
think,
was
a
question
from
the
commission-
was
the
top
five
or
looking
at
the
top
mwbe
vendors
by
dollar
amount
received.
So
this
these
are
the
top
five
that
receive
money
between
fiscal
year
2017
in
fiscal
year
2021.
C
again,
it's
only
masonry,
rivers,
construction,
wb
services,
hc
gi
and
brooks
and
brooks
services,
and
we
looked
at
also
and
again
we're
a
lot
of
this
is
we're
digging
into
it
for
the
first
time
and
we're
looking
deeply
into
it.
But
we
looked
at
it
by
department
and
you
can.
C
Yes,
so
we
we
looked
at
it
for
the
first
for
the
first
time
and
we're
looking
at
pretty
much
these
top
five.
For
the
most
part,
the
lion's
share
is,
is
dpw
public
works.
C
You
know
for
only
masonry,
but
there
are
there
are
times
where,
as
you
can
see,
other
departments
utilize
the
same
the
same
vendor,
but
these
are
our
top
five
mwbe
firms
in
terms
of
actually
receiving
money,
because
the
master
agreement
will
tell
will
give
you
a
contract
limit,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
they're
going
to
spend
the
entire
entire
limit,
so
we're
looking
at
just
spending.
So
then
we
looked
at
so
the
first
again.
C
The
first
graph
was
mainly
total
expenditures,
but
now,
when
we
look
at
the
actual
percentage
of
that
total
expenditure
that
went
to
mwbe
vendors,
that's
the
orange
line
is
general
fund.
The
blue
line
is
capital
budget,
and
you
can
see
that
we're
seeing
a
relative
increase
in
both
about
a
42
increase,
even
though
it's
a
slow,
gradual
increase,
but
it's
it's
a
42
increase
in
the
general
fund
percentage
of
awarded
to
mwbe
out
of
the
total
spent
by
the
county.
C
You
see
that
it
hovers
a
little
under
12
in
fiscal
year
2020
and
it's
down
to
a
little
bit
over
10
in
2021..
The
capital
budget
also
sees
a
a
smaller
increase,
but
is
still
trending
up
now.
For
the
purposes
of
the
rest
of
this
presentation,
we
focused
on
the
general
fund,
mainly
because
that's
about
75
of
the
spending,
and
we
can
break
that
out
a
lot
easier
by
department.
C
So
here
is
here's
the
breakdown
by
percentage
again
of
the
amount
spent
by
towards
mwbe
vendors
out
of
the
total
general
fund,
you
see
use
as
low
as
4.5
percent
of
the
of
the
spending
in
fiscal
year.
2017
went
up
to.
10.2
percent
is
now
currently
at
9.7
percent,
and
we
see-
and
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
look
at
is
even
though
the
percentage
is
rising,
you
know.
Are
we
seeing
the
dollars
amount
spent?
Is
that
also
rising
as
well?
C
And
you
can
see
that
that's
the
blue
line
here,
where
you
can
see
that
we're?
We
did
touch
to
about
60
million
dollars
close
to
60
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year
2020
and
we're
close
to
50
million
right
now
in
fiscal
year,
2021
to
mwbe
vendors,
again
fiscal
year,
2021
not
being
complete,
and
then
we
broke
it
out.
So
this
is
total
expenditures
not
to
mwb
but
again,
total
by
department.
C
So
you
can
see
about
65
percent
of
all
the
money
spent
in
that
general
fund
is
public
works
so,
and
you
can
see
that
by
fiscal
year,
and
you
also
see
you
know
that
the
second,
the
second
largest
really
is,
is
oit.
But
then
you
see
that
big
spike
that
gray
bar
in
an
office
of
budget
and
finance
in
fiscal
year
2020
that's
really
heavily
due
to
care's
funding
and
and
coveted
related
funding.
It
comes
into
that
bucket
and
that's
why
that
line
that
bar
sticks
out.
C
Overall,
though,
we
see
slight
increases,
but
gradual
increases
in
oit,
the
office
of
information
technology,
department
of
health
and
public
works
in
terms
of
the
amount
spent
over
time.
Now,
when
we
look
at
this
is
the
total
amount
awarded
to
mwbe-
and
you
see
that
there
is
this
significant
spike
here
in
public
works
around
fiscal
year
2020.
C
But
when
we
look
at
percentage,
which
is
probably
a
better
indication,
you
see
that
you
know.
For
the
most
part,
public
works
hovers
around
thirteen
percent
mwb
the
mwbe
awards
in
terms
of
money
spent
out
of
their
total
budget.
C
So
you
see
that
for
the
most
part,
we
are
seeing
a
gradual
increase
in
a
lot
of
departments
we're
seeing
it
in
public
works,
we're
seeing
in
an
office
of
information
technology,
we're
seeing
it
in
property
management
and
property
management
has
by
far
the
highest
percentage
of
its
spending,
goes
to
an
mwbe
vendor
and
that
that's
at
42.2
fiscal
year
2021,
but
even
the
prior
two
fiscal
years
has
hovered
around
25
percent,
which
is
still
higher
than
most
oit
is
currently
at
16,
and
we
do
see.
C
Department
of
health
currently
is
at
5.1
percent.
You
do
see.
They
also
have
spent
significantly
more
money
this
year
due
to
the
coveted
funding,
and
then
you
do
see
police
department
at
0.6
fire
department
at
0.8
department
of
environmental
protection,
sustainability
of
0.2.
So
again
we're
we're
now.
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
note
here,
too,
is
that
a
lot
of
the
ways
that
we
look
at
this
data
is
in
the
ways
that's
recommended
to
look
at
this
data
is
by
looking
at
discretionary
funds
now.
C
You
know
there
is
absolutely
no
way
by
looking
at
advantage
itself
and
the
database
to
be
able
to
identify
what
portion
of
all
this
money
is
discretionary
and
what
portion
so
we're.
Looking
at
strictly
everything
that
was
spent
in
order
to
be
able
to
figure
out
the
ones
that
are
discretionary,
we
need
to
perform
a
manual
process
which
we
do
and
tend
to
look
at
a
little
bit
more
deeply,
but
it
has
not
been
done
yet.
G
Moment
can
I
ask
one
quick
question
and
I
apologize
for
breaking
you,
because
I
understand
this
data,
the
the
extracted
from
that
you
said
discretionary
funds.
No,
no
hr
or
personnel
funds
are
included
in
these
numbers
right.
These
are
all
procured.
These
are
all
funds
being
spent
externally
correct.
H
Moment
I
can
add
to
that
as
far
as
discretionary
funds
are
concerned
as
well,
we
have
excluded
governmental
entities,
we
exclude
utility,
we
exclude
proprietary.
H
Proprietary
contracts,
it
typically
would
be
sole
source
contracts,
operating
grants
for
the
arts
and
emergency
procurements.
We
would
exclude
okay.
H
The
actually
the
increases
too,
I
want
to
make
note
from
this
increases
since
july,
2017
july
2017,
the
county
actually
revised
the
executive
order
to
allow
mbe
prime
to
count
up
to
50
of
the
subcontract
goal,
so
that
may
also
be
contributing
as
quiet
beginning
in
27th.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
a
very
helpful
presentation
is
there.
I
mean
this
is
more
of
a
question
for
carla,
but
I
noticed
a
breakdown
for
spending
by
various
departments
in
terms
of
the
actual
kind
of,
in
other
words,
the
the
core
of
the
contracts
that
are
being
mastered.
Contracts
are
being
awarded.
Is
there
is
there
a
list
of
of
that?
A
Is
that
I
understand
a
lot
of
our
building
management,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
see
what
kinds
of
master
contracts
are
awarded
by
the
county
generally
and
then
of
those
which
would
go
have
been
going
to
nba,
wpe
and
again
moment.
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
you
question
or
call
a
question
or
somebody
else,
question.
H
We
actually
have
master
agreements
across
the
board,
so
mass
agreements
could
be
under
construction
contracts.
It
could
be
under
health
and
human
service
contracts,
so
across
the
gamut
where
what
moment
was
showing
as
far
as
master
agreements
under
dpw,
there
are
things
like
stormwater
management,
trying
to
think
carpentry
plumbing
services,
janitorial
services.
Those
are
some
of
the
areas
that
are
that's
covered
in
in
this
particular
report.
Here.
A
I
I
just
I
know
from
my
experience
with
the
state
that
the
state
uses
a
lot
of
master
contracting
for
I.t
and
I
wasn't
sure
how
much
the
county
is
is
doing
that
and
I'm
just,
I
think,
part
of
the
part
of
the
inquiry
of
this
commission
has
to
do
with
not
just
the
spending
levels.
It's
terrific
to
have
this
information,
but
also
to
see
the
the
kind
of
contract
work,
that's
being
made
available
to
the
mbs
and
wpe's,
and
that's
why
I
asked
the
question.
H
H
Speak
to
that,
if
you
want
a
moment,
baltimore
city
doesn't
give
us
the
full
database.
So
in
order
for
us
to
utilize
the
city
database,
we
are
keying
that
in
manually,
so
we
don't
have
a
full
picture
of
what's
in
what's
available
city,
where
we
do
have
that
picture
from
the
state
of
collin.
So
we
were
able
to.
I
was
able
to
download
the
state
of
maryland's
database
and
shift
with
the
team
so
that
we
cross
reference
the
vendors
to
the
contracts
that
were
awarded.
I
A
J
Okay,
sorry
moment
you
showed
a
slide
with
the
five
largest
contracts
minority
contracts
that
were
given
out.
They
were
some
pretty
big
numbers.
Is
there
a
concern
that,
if
any
one
of
those
minority
companies
doesn't
get
one
of
those
contracts
that
the
numbers
come
way
down.
J
K
H
I
can
elaborate
on
some,
but
not
all
some
was
in
place
before
I
came
to
the
county.
So
I'll
start
with
that
governments
we
exclude
so
any
money,
any
money
that
we
pay
to
a
government
or
a
quasi
government.
We
exclude
from
that
utilities.
H
We
exclude,
though
I
agree
that
there
is
opportunity
in
utilities,
but
that
has
been
it
was
excluded
previously.
So
we
continue
to
exclude
right
now,
but
I
would
say
that
there's
opportunity
there
that
we
could
look
into
proprietary,
we're
so
source
so
source
contracts.
So
I
did
try
to
include
soul
source
contracts
in
the
past,
but.
H
It,
how
do
I,
how
do
you-
it
wasn't
always
filtered
through
our
office
because
it
was
excluded
in
the
border,
so
I
didn't
always
see
it
when
when
they
were
doing
it,
if
a
buyer
thought
to
give
it
to
me,
they
would
give
it
to
me,
but
because
there
are
sometimes
opportunities
in
so
source
contracts
for
the
non-proprietary
pieces,
but
I
typically
don't
see
sole
source
contracts,
operating
grants
and
arts
to
arts
entities.
H
I
can't
answer
that
either
that
was
impressed
before
kane
and
then
emergency
procurements.
We
exclude
those
to
a
certain
extent.
H
K
And
then
on
the
government
contracts
does
that
include
interagency
agreements
that
that.
K
Okay,
so
that's
another
category
that
could
be
ripe
for
and
in
fact
don't
they
often
include
mbe
participation.
If
it's
you
know,
wssp
or
state.
H
Or
you
talk
about
piggyback
contracts,
I'm
sorry!
Yes,
yes,
so,
and
piggyback
contracts,
we
do
it's
based
on
the
jurisdiction.
So
when
baltimore
county
piggy
backs
off
of
another
jurisdiction's
contract,
if
nba
participation
is
there,
we
apply
that
to
our
program.
Okay,
right
that
we
do
not
alter
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
contract.
So
if
participation
is
there,
we
look
for
accounting
as
well,
but.
H
K
And
then,
finally,
utilities
is
that
just
baltimore
gas
and
electric.
K
C
A
Rick
is
that
is
that,
commissioner
bonnetti,
could
you
mute
please.
A
D
L
Go
ahead!
Okay,
all
right!
So
it's
quite
interesting!
I
don't
have
the
slides
in
front
of
me
that
we
just
saw,
but
apparently
there
was
no
real
data
on
the
mbe
contracts,
I
guess
from
the
baltimore
city
region.
Yet
the
disparity
study
was
based
on
a
combination
of
the
expenditures
in
baltimore
city
and
baltimore
county.
So,
if
you
don't
have
the
data
on
with
the
mbe
contracts
awarded
in
baltimore
city,
I
think
we
have
a
little
issue
with
with
the
results
and
and
skewing.
H
Unfortunately,
with
that
issue
that
is
actually
a
totally
manual
process,
the
we
do
capture
in
the
in
the
solicitations
peter
as
you
as
you
may
recall,
we
do
have
a
form
asking
for
the
any
minority
or
women
prime
to
complete
the
form
and
submitted
to
us
that
form
sometimes
is
completed.
Sometimes
it's
not
sometimes
it's
passed
on
to
my
office.
L
Okay,
I
understand,
but
you
know
when
this
disparity
study
is
done.
I
mean
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
accuracy
is.
Then
there.
H
Well
this
because
the
disparity
study
was
focused
on,
it
was
focused
on
the
actual
executive
order,
which
called
out
subcontracting
prime
contracting.
They
gave
us
contract
data
information
to
show
that
that's
where
opportunity
could
be
and
that
people
bidders
that
are
responding
as
a
prime,
they
actually
control
who
they
subcontract
out
to.
So
that's
why
that's
presented
in
a
disparity
study.
H
A
I
In
reference,
this
is
carla
piggybacking
on
what
peta
said
regarding
utilities-
and
that
is
you
did
say
carla-
that
there
is
opportunity
in
utilities,
and
I
would
agree
because
we
know
for
sure
verizon
bg
e
comcast
have
their
own
supplier,
diversity,
program
and
they're
very,
very
they're,
very
strategic
and
aggressive,
I
should
say
in
increasing
their
in
their
database.
I
You
know
contest
bg
e,
so
it's
they're,
probably
already
in
there.
What
can
we
do?
What
do
we
need
to
recommend
to
to
expand
it
to
utility
type
contracts.
H
H
So
that
being
said,
if
they're
already
doing
business
that
way
with
the
state
of
maryland,
they
are
already
using
the
mdot
database.
H
So
that's
why
I
was
saying
that
there's
opportunity
under
utilities
when
we're
doing
road
work
or
infrastructure,
water,
sewer
jobs
and
things
like
that,
there
is
probably
a
likely
highly
likely
opportunity
for
subcontracting
that's
available
there.
I
don't
know
about.
D
H
Contracting
but
subcontracting
because
there's
going
to
be
certain
industry
standards
that
would
need
to
be
met,
so
it
may
be
some
some
training.
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
organization
that
we
tried
to
steve.
Can
you
help
me
with
that
national
for
the
consent
decree.
J
H
So
so
I
do
know
that
there
may
be
opportunity
for
utilities
because
of
the
public
service
commission's
agreement
with
the
public
utilities
at
the
state
level.
So
the
county
could
embark
on
having
some
type
of
a
memorandum
of
understanding
or
memorandum
of
agreement
with
the
utilities
to
provide
participation
up
to
whatever
our
goal
amount
is
on
county
work.
I
Thank
you
are
we
are
you?
Do
you
have
a
copy,
or
can
you
tell
me
offline
where
we
can
get
a
copy
of
that
mou,
that
the
state
has
with
the
public
utilities
and
then
phil
and
I'm
probably
peta,
and
you
know,
sheila
who
we
can
look
at
that
and
see
if
we
can
do
something
to
mirror
mirror
that
or
what
do
we
need
to
do
in
reference
to
I
mean,
is
that
an
executive
order
is
that
a
recommend?
You
know
how
legal,
what
how
much
legalese
do
we
have
to
do
it?
I
M
I
H
And
that
can
it's
pc
52
is
the
number
for
public
service
commission,
but
I
I'd
have
to
look
it
up
and
then
I
can
email
it
to
elizabeth
or
jasmine
or.
A
Well,
that
would
be
great.
I
know
that
moment
had
to
drop
off
for
another
meeting,
which
is
why
we
took
him
first,
even
though
the
agenda
has
a
different
order
of
things,
I'm
assuming
we
get
a
copy
of
the
slide
presentation.
Usually
we
get
those
in
advance.
A
It
was
helpful
to
have
his
explanation
as
we
look
at
it,
but
I
think
all
the
commissioners
would
like
to
have
a
copy
of
that.
So
I'll
ask
beth
elizabeth
if
you
could
get
that
and
have
that,
put
up
on
sharepoint
sure.
A
A
Carla
chambers
did
you
have
a
question?
No
okay,
any
other
questions
for
charlotte
tucker
great.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
note
that
we
are
graced
with
the
presence
of
the
county's
chief
administrative
officer
and
welcome
nice
to.
D
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
susan
dubin,
and
we
really
appreciate
your
being
president
all
these
meetings
and
we
appreciate
your
being
available
to
answer
some
questions.
There
have
been
a
number
of
things.
As
we
lawyers
know,
there
are
all
kinds
of
questions
for
lawyers
that
come
up
and
we
appreciate
you
being
available
to
us
today
to
answer
some
of
them.
I
know
jasmine
collected
some
questions
in
advance
and
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
speak
to
any
of
those
particular
subjects.
I
know
one
of
the.
A
I
know
the
agenda
says:
procurement
law
and
executive
orders.
If
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
role
of
the
executive
orders
and
how
the
two
play
off
each
other
in
baltimore
county
procurement,
that
would
be
great.
I
know
there
are
questions
about
the
manual
versus
the
code
and
what
controls
and
the
like,
but
if
there's
something
prepared
that
you'd
like
to
tell
us
first,
that's
great.
Otherwise
we
could
jump
into
questions
whatever
you'd
prefer.
M
I
do
not
have
a
prepared
presentation.
I
was
asked
to
join
this
very
late
this
week
and
I
didn't
have
time
to
put
together
a
presentation,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
A
Okay,
well
I'll
just
I'll
jump
in
and
I
think
I'm
stealing
somebody
else's
question,
but
it's
the
the
chair's
prerogative.
Maybe
so
we
have
heard
a
little
back
and
forth
about
the
purchasing
manual,
the
procurement
code
and
obviously,
there's
been
some
executive
orders.
What
is
the
can
you
explain
to
us
the
interplay
among
the
three,
and
particularly,
to
the
extent
that
there
is
any
differences
between
or
among
any
of
those
three
which
one
would
control
sure.
M
So
sure,
so,
first
of
all
we
have
the
county
charter,
which
is,
which
is
the
laws
that
set
up
county
government
very
broadly
and
those
to
change
those.
You
have
to
go
not
only
through
a
bill
with
the
county
council,
but
then
it
goes
to
the
voters
by
referendum,
to
change
that
the
county
code
embellishes
on
the
the
charter
and
provides
more
detailed
laws.
M
The
purchasing
manual
would
have
to
go
through
county
council
for
revision,
but
there
is
a
provision
in
the
county
code
and
I've
forgotten
the
number
that
says
that
in
the
event,
there's
a
conflict
between
the
purchasing
manual
and
the
county
code.
The
purchasing
manual
prevails.
A
And-
and
I
again
I'm
stealing
commissioner
morheim's
thunder-
I
hope
he'll
forgive
me,
but
those
of
us
who
have
had
the
opportunity
to
operate
in
the
state
sphere
a
little
bit
have
always
seen
the
statute
control
over
the
regulations.
So.
M
It's
unusual,
but
the
county
council
did
approve
that
and
then
there
are
executive
orders
that
are
just
require
presented
by
the
county
executive,
which
are
more
things
that
he
wants
to
see
happen,
but
that
don't
require
a
a
bill
to
change
the
code.
A
Understood
understood
yes
peter
first,
then
dan
peter.
L
Okay,
so
the
executive
order-
so
I
guess
that
becomes
law
and
that
gets
added
into
the
purchasing
manual-
is
that.
M
It
doesn't
really
get
added
into
the
purchasing
manual
per
se.
We
have,
we
keep
the
executive
orders
in
one
place
and
we
can
refer
to.
I
mean
I
think
we
go
all
the
way
back
to
1958
with
executive
orders
unless
they've
been
superseded,
so
we
we
often
reference
them.
For
example,
the
mbe
wbe
language
we've
referenced
in
the
updated
purchasing
manuals,
but
they're
not
necessarily
part
of
it.
N
Yeah
question
and
comment:
first
of
all,
I
I
read
the
entire
code
and
sent
in
comments
like
on
week.
One
and-
and
a
lot
of
this
is
just
out
of
date,
that.
M
N
Out
of
date,
inconsistent
and
a
bunch
of
other
stuff,
that's
wrong
with
it.
I
can
give
all
kinds
of
examples
I'll
give
a
couple.
Sexual
orientations
not
listed
on
the
list
of
discriminations.
N
N
N
B
N
M
Late
in
the
last
one,
it
should
have
been
done
in
2010.
It
wasn't
done
until
2015,
but
and
in
the
interim
in
the
past
couple
years
there
was
a
a
commission
that
looked
at
code
and
charter
revision
and
also
we
are
in
the
process
of
updating
some
of
our
technology
to,
for
example,
to
get
permit
line,
and
things
like
that.
So
in
that
process
we
are
going
through
code
sections
to
see
what
needs
to
be
updated.
M
M
N
N
There
may
be
other
things
that
other
people
would
want
to
add,
or,
I
would
add,
in
the
manual
this
section
is
10-20-10-2-105,
which
has
it
in
a
conflict
between
the
manual
and
the
code.
The
manual
prevails.
First
of
all,
is
that
common
language
throughout
all
regulatory
schemes
in
the
county,
because
I.
N
M
N
And
it's
just
a
very
unusual
construction.
Take
that
out.
That
would
be
my
thing
because
it
ought
to
follow.
You
know
the
charter
to
the
code
to
the
regulation
manual.
The
other
thing
on
the
mbe
question,
the
one
executive
order
we
got
was
from
county
executive,
jim
smith,
that
that's
quite
a
while
ago.
That's
a
couple
of
county
cycles,
terms
back
10
12
years,
and
I'm
and
apparently
there's
no
update
to
that,
and
so
for
there.
H
M
M
N
To
everybody,
because
that
wasn't
what
was
coming,
in
fact
it
was
re-asked
and
the
other
thing
says:
stacy
rogers
is
on
the
line.
I
have
brought
up
repeatedly
and
most
recently
is
over
a
week
ago
to
to
her
and
others.
The
idea
of
piggyback
purchasing
for
health
insurance,
which
has
been
improved
by
state
law
house
bill
1400
of
2018,
and
I'm
wondering
has
there
been
any
progress
to
putting
together
a
work
group.
This
is
done
all
over
the
nation.
N
Many
states
do
that
where
the
state
buys
health
insurance
for
its
employees
and
for
the
local
jurisdiction
employees,
because
the
more
you
pool
the
more
money
you
save,
not
a
radical
or
difficult
to
understand
concept.
It
does
require
some
detailed
work
of
sorting
out
costs
and
benefit
packages
and
working
with
various
stakeholders.
But
this
has
been
an
opportunity.
That's
been
before
the
county.
N
Since
2018,
I
brought
it
up
to
stacy
rogers
at
a
town
meeting
I've
written
it
a
few
times
and
last
comment
that
I
got
was
it
was
going
to
the
office
of
law,
which
is
why
I
bring
it
up
to
you,
but
then
I
wrote
stacy
rogers
who's
on
the
phone,
I'd
love
to
hear
from
her
a
week
ago
and
haven't
heard
back.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
save
a
lot
of
money
and
improve
health
care.
N
N
M
F
So
it's
next
year
I
mean
it
is
next
year
next
year.
Okay,
thank
you,
but
I'm
happy
to
address
this.
Thank
you.
We
took
a
look,
as
I
stated
when
we
had
our
in-person
town
hall.
This
is
not
something
that
the
county
is
prepared
to
do
at
the
time.
Two
reasons
number
one
from
the
standpoint
of
where
we
are
in
our
own
contracts
in
relationship
to
other
jurisdictional
contracts.
But
one
thing
I
do
plan
to
do
with
our
big.
F
A
cao
affiliate
of
mako
is
to
discuss
this
with
other
entities,
because
it's
not
just
us,
I
mean
we
would
have
to
have
the
other
willing
parties.
But
at
this
point
in
time
the
county
is
not
in
a
position
to
move
forward
on
this
we
did
have
the
discussion.
I
got
your
email.
F
The
other
day
went
back
to
discussion
gain
internally,
but
right
now
we're
not
we're
not
in
the
position
to
move
on
this,
but
I
am
planning
to
discuss
it
with
our
the
the
the
eight
large
jurisdictions
here
in
in
the
state
with
the
county
administrative
officers
and
the
new
city
administrator
of
baltimore
city.
N
N
I'm
glad
you
can
work
with
the
eight
largest.
You
can
work
with
the
state
directly.
You
don't
have
to
work
through
any
other
county
jurisdictions.
A
county
can
work
directly
with
the
state
for
this,
and
if
it's
2022
this
is
2021,
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
calendar
year
or
fiscal
year,
but
in
any
case
it's
the
kind
of
project
that
would
take
a
number
of
months
to
sort
out
the
the
td
as
part
of
the
details
on
this.
So
it's
there's.
No,
you
know
far.
N
N
So
you
have
to
pay
for
that,
but
it's
less
than
what
you're
paying
currently,
not
only
you
baltimore
county,
but
local
counties
and
jurisdictions
around
the
country
typically
pay,
so
their
savings
on
the
basic
cost
of
the
insurance
there's
administrative
savings
as
well,
less
less
though,
but
still
significant.
So
I
would
very
much
like
to
get
you
know.
I'm
glad
you're
here
today,
I'd
love
to
get
you
know
as
you
move
along
with
us
a
little
bit
more.
F
We're
happy
to
give
you
a
full,
a
full
summary
of
our
assessment
and
I'm
sure
that
miss
sachs
has
shared
with
the
group
that
we
have
a
efficiency
study
right
now
going
on,
and
one
of
the
areas
is
indeed
a
part
to
look
at
our
health
care
costs.
This
is
something
clearly
we
can
share
with
solid
waste.
F
F
But
as
your
you,
you
are
aware,
we
have
to
have
willing
partners
for
us
to
go
directly
to
the
to
the
state
and
all
the
other
pieces
that
fit
in
it's
just
not
a
good
time
for
us
to
undertake
something
like
this,
but
the
notion
of
talking
with
our
our
partners,
particularly
using
mako,
the
mako
affiliate
as
a
discussion
framework.
That's
where
we
talk
about
a
lot
of
issues,
whether
whether
it's
the
pandemic
approach,
whatever
it
is.
F
We
talk
with
the
big
eight
on
a
regular
basis,
and
this
is
one
of
our
discussion
topics
with
them.
N
F
That's
right,
the
caos
and
the
city
administrator,
and
I
talk
on
a
bi-weekly
basis,
and
this
is
one
of
the
the
topics
that
I'm
introducing
for
their
consideration.
But
we
are
not
ready
to
singularly
as
baltimore
county
government
to
go
to
the
state
to
do
this.
F
That's
this
is
the
position
that
we've
taken.
We
can
talk
offline.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
the
the
full
commission
meeting
on
this,
but
we
have.
We
took
your
information,
we
reviewed
it.
We're
also,
like
I
said,
having
a
full
assessment
in
terms
of
cost
savings
through
our
study
with
public
works
llc.
This
is
one
of
the
areas
that
they're
looking
at
well.
N
So
ms
rogers
I'd
be
happy
to
communicate
with
public
works
llc
at
any
point.
If
that
helps
and
I'll
be
happy
to
talk
to
you
offline,
you
can
see
you
have
my
email.
Send
me
an
email
what's
convenient.
Thank
you.
F
A
Well,
that's
very
helpful
to
know
thank
you
and
we
are
fortunate
to
have
one
of
the
sponsors
of
the
bill
that
has
just
been
discussed
on
the
state
side
on
the
commission,
and
this
is
obviously
a
significant
matter,
but
it
sounds
like
there
is.
There
is
movement
and
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
there's
something
in
our
interim
report
that
talks
about
this
and
acknowledges
that
we'll
look
forward
to
getting
additional
information
and
we'll
work
with
elizabeth
to
see
what
the
efficiency
study
has
and
and
proceed
from
there.
A
But
thank
you
both
for,
for
that
are
there
other
questions
for
susan
dubin.
O
Until
I
don't
have
a
question,
but
I
just
wanted
some
clarity
on
the
purchasing
and
the
codes
in
our
interim
report,
we
could
potentially
list
possible
changes
that
might
need
to
take
place
legislatively
or
whatever,
because
it
sounds
like
there's
a
real
big
disconnect,
based
on
a
period
of
time
that
has
gone
on
that.
Even
though
people
haven't
been
consistent
in
looking
at
the
code
and
the
in
the
purchasing
manual
that
in
our
preliminary
report,
we
could
make
some
suggestions
on
potential
legislation
et
cetera.
A
Sure-
and
I
and
there's
some
fascinating
separation
of
powers
matters
as
well,
you
could
you
could
add
that
I'm
kidding
a
bit
there,
but
yes,
absolutely
that's,
because
it
does
require
some
clarity.
That
would
be
helpful.
Did
you
have
another
question,
commissioner?
Dixon
for
susan.
G
So
I've
been
relatively
quiet
on
this
one
and
I'm
working
with
dan
susan
who,
who
does
the
interpretation
and
one
of
my
questions,
was
you
know?
How
often
do
we
have
controversy
that
is
associated
with
the
procurement
code
versus
the
manual.
M
I'm
I'm
not
aware
of
a
lot
of
controversy,
but
if
there
is
any
it
gets
sent
to
our
office,
it
goes
through
the
county
attorney,
because
ultimately,
the
county
attorney
is
the
the
one
who
would
issue
any
kind
of
opinions
and
then
he
would
filter
it
down
to
one
of
the
assistant
attorneys
to
do
some
research
and
and
help
write
an
opinion
memo.
M
Sure
we
don't
have,
we
don't
have
opinions
online
or
available
like
the
attorney
general.
Does
we're
working
to
put
put
an
opinion
manual
together,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
have
one
at
this
point.
G
And
that's
fine,
but
for
purposes
of
the
commission,
is
it
possible
that
we
could
get
a
better
idea?
I
don't
know
if
there
are
some
samples,
if
there's
or
examples
or
areas
where
we
know
that
we
have
some
challenges.
I
just
think
that
would
be
helpful.
M
Yeah,
I
just
don't
know
that
there
are
any
that
exist
and
it
would
require
a
manual
search
to
look
for
them.
I
will
look
and
see
if
I
can
find
anything,
but.
G
G
No,
that's
it's
just
interesting
to
me
if,
if
there's
a
challenge
to
a
particular
procurement
right
now
in
baltimore,
county
people
show
up
at
county
council
before
it's
approved.
Is
that
where.
M
G
M
A
there's,
a
big
protest
process,
so
if
someone
isn't
awarded
a
bid,
there
is
a
process
through
purchasing
or
dpw,
depending
on
who
issued
the
the
procurement
that
starts
with
the
buyer,
then
gets
escalated
to
either
the
chief
of
purchasing
if
it's
in
purchasing
or
the
director
of
public
works.
If
it's
in
public
works
and
then
up
to
the
director
of
budget
and
finance
and
finally,
to
the
administrative
officer.
E
Correct
susan,
this
is
rose.
If
we
have
bid
protests,
we
do
keep
those
in
the
contract
found,
but
we
don't
have
electronic
database.
We
would
have
to
go
and
pull.
G
F
F
I
will
say
this
during
my
tenure,
which
hit
two
years
april
1st
in
the
in
the
process,
their
protests.
The
final
resolution
protests
do
must
come
to
the
county,
administrative
officer,
and
since
I've
been
here,
I
have
not
had
to
deliberate
or
review
their
protests
to
my
knowledge.
During
the
tenure
of
the
the
current
county
executive,
we
have
not
had
to
mitigate
a
bid
protest
that
went
through
the
administrative
procedural
process
now,
with
respect
to
historical
bid,
processes.
F
Protests
where
you
might,
the
commission
might
want
to
look
at
any
kind
of
trending
historical
bid
protests.
While
it
would
be
a
manual
search,
they
would
be
there
but
heretofore
since
april
of
2019,
which
they
would
have
ultimately
ended
up
with
me.
There
had.
I
have
not
received
any.
M
We
make
every
effort
to
resolve
it
at
the
lowest
level
possible
so
that
the
contracts
can
move
on
and
be
awarded.
A
Other
other
questions
for
for
susan
great,
thank
you.
Susan
really
appreciate.
N
A
Okay,
let's
move
to
the
third
item
on
commission
business,
I'm
sorry
on
the
agenda,
which
is
commission
business
and
the
march
25
minutes
have
been
distributed.
Commissioner
moriam
had
a
couple
of
changes.
Those
changes
were
made
and
then
the
revised
version.
I
believe
that
jasmine
put
them
up
on
sharepoint
earlier
today,
and
so
I
would
ask:
are
there
any
other?
A
A
Hearing
none,
then
those
minutes
are
approved.
Thank
you.
A
The
next
item
is
title
disparity
study
and
dr
ramsey
follow-up
and
commissioner
chambers.
Do
you
want
to
address
that
or
elizabeth?
I
know
that
there
had
been
some
conversation
about
having
the
having
dr
ramsey
speak
to
the
subcommittee.
I
wasn't
sure
where
that
stands,
so
I
want
to
get
up.
A
Okay,
yeah
and
I
I
think
that-
and
I
think
the
I
think,
the
contract
that
dr
ramsey
has
will
allow
her
to
have
further
spend
some
further
time
with
the
commission,
which
is
very
helpful,
and
I
wanted
to
make
the
all
the
commissioners
aware
of
that.
H
D
F
My
request
is
that
additional
funding
has
to
be
added
to
the
contract
we
were
able
to.
Since
our
last
meeting,
we
were
able
to
discern
that
we
have
the
ability
to
add
funding
without
having
to
go
back
to
county
council
for
additional
approval
on
a
whole
new
contract
which
would
have
taken
a
whole
nother
procurement
process.
So
we
were
able
to
confirm
that
there's
space
there
and
I
have
requested
that
funding
be
added
to
cover
the
the
communications
with
you
all
or
whatever
you
would
ask
for
from
dr
ramsey.
I
F
Trying
it
to
to
be
fully
compliant
with
the
law.
Yes,
we
have
to
have
the
the
monies
available
on
the
contract
and
then
that
way
we
are
available
for
her
to
invoice
us.
I
because
I
try
to
follow
the
letter
of
the
law.
I
would
like
to
have
all
things
in
place
before
she
meets
with
you
all
so:
she's
not
working
outside
a
funded
contract.
I
Absolutely-
and
I
appreciate
that,
so
we
will
wait
to
hear
from
either
you
or
carla
to
let
us
know
when
we're
able
to
pull
that
trigger
and
have
that
meeting,
and
then
our
subcommittee
will
work
and
we'll
let
the
full
commission
know
so
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
join.
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
F
One
of
the
questions
that
I
did
ask
of
the
team
is
the
estimated
time
frame,
so
we'll
know
how
how
many
hours
to
allocate
to
you
all,
because
we're
doing
some
additional
ta
on
a
few
pieces
of
the
implementation
of
recommendations
and
I'd
like
to
do
that
in
one
fell
swoop
to
get
it
all
funded.
But
I
want
to
give
you
the
adequate
funding
that
you
all
need
for
your
work.
I
I
Maybe
myself,
scott,
our
our
sub,
we
can
just
find
out.
We
can
talk
offline,
find
out.
You
know
how
many
hours,
because
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
lot
if
we
pull
our.
If
we
tighten
up
what
we
need,
then
we
can
probably
get
it
done
in
about
two
hours
or
so,
but
I'll
ask
our
group
and
then
we'll.
Let
carla
know-
and
you
will
you
know-
do
that:
email,
okay,.
P
P
We
just
got
from
that
last
discussion
if
she
had
any
legislative
changes
in
addition
to
the
recommendations
that
were
in
the
study,
but
I
hadn't
gotten
anything
else
from
everyone,
so
I
think
you
know
speaking
to
a
model
ceo,
if
you
all
can
let
us
know
what
additional
specifics
that
aren't
in
the
study
that
you
need
from
dr
ramsey.
That
will
help
us
get
what
we
needed
done.
A
Will
be
helpful
when
we
have
an
idea
of
time
frame
so
when
she's
available
when
the
approvals
occurred,
because
for
the
record,
the
commission
is
completely
with
madam
ceo
on
on
following
the
letter
of
the
law
in
all
respects.
So
we'll
do
that.
But
once
we
once
we
have
the
okay,
then
let's,
let's
jaspell,
ask
you
to
just
to
work
with.
Excuse
me
work
with
carla
and
let's
get
a
sort
of
a
deadline
for
the
deadline
for
the
questions
right.
F
F
A
Excuse
me
all
right.
Next,
next
item
is
survey
questions
and
we
talked
last
time
last
meeting
about
conducting
a
survey,
and
we
also
talked
about
getting
some
survey
questions
put
together
by
by
the
subcommittees
or
by
individual
commissioners,
and
I
have
seen
two
sets
one
that
peta
has
provided.
A
The
other
is
from
from
steve
walsh
and
in
his
group
I
don't
know
if
those
have
been
published
to
the
to
the
entire
commission,
but
I
I
think,
between
the
between
the
two:
they
they
cover
things
very
nicely,
but
I'd
like
everybody
to
have
have
some
input
about
that,
and
maybe
the
the
extent
there's
any
overlap.
A
Well,
let's
put
this
one,
I
think
I'd
like
everybody
to
see
both
of
these
and
so
jasmine.
They
can
be
put
up
on
put
in
sharepoint
and
we
can
ask
within
the
next
seven
to
ten
days,
to
ask
everybody
who
has
comments
to
please
comment.
Now,
let's
put
something
together
and
get
the
survey
out.
If
anybody
else
is
working
on
a
set
of
draft
survey,
questions
please
speak
up
now,
so
we're
we
make
certain.
G
A
I
would
ask
that
jasmine,
if
you
would
put
these
two
things
up
on
sharepoint
I'll,
send
an
email
after
this
meeting,
but
my
request
would
be
that
if
anybody
has
any
comments,
suggest
suggestions,
edits
or
the
like
that
we
have
those
backed
by
you
know
within
a
week
and
then
I'll
I'll
work
on
getting
sort
of
pulled
together
draft
of
a
single
set
of
questions
and
get
those
out
to
everybody
to
take
a
look
at
so
that
we
can
confirm
them
by
our
next
meeting
and
get
them
out.
A
P
A
Maybe
before
the
formal
meeting
started
about
meeting
in
person
that
that's
something
that
we
could
do
this
summer,
because
I
think
it
would
be
much
better
if
stakeholders
are
going
to
come
and
speak
to
the
commission
if
it's
actually
done
and
we're
all
in
the
room,
together
with
the
stakeholders,
opposed
to
webex,
no
no
knock
against
webex,
but
I
think
we're
all
ready
for
a
little
more
personal
interaction.
A
So
that's
all
I
had
on
the
survey
questions
there
is
a
there
is
a
vendor
feedback
form
that
I'm
sure
some
people
are
are
familiar
with,
that
this
state
uses.
If
a
vendor
chooses
signs
up
for
the
pre-proposal
conference,
but
then
chooses
not
to
not
to
participate
in
the
solicitation
and
most
of
the
between
peta's
and
steve's
drafts.
A
A
All
right,
let's,
let's
put
actually
we've
got
expert,
invites
and
the
inter
report
of
the
last
two
things.
But
let's
let's
talk
about
the
the
interim
report,
I
don't
know
if
yeah
yes,
peter,
please
go
ahead.
Look.
K
Before
you
start
there
could
I
just
ask
miss
rogers
about
suggestions
and
elizabeth
about
suggestions
for
benchmark
jurisdictions
that
are
outside
of
maryland.
That
came
up
in
one
of
our
earlier
meetings,
miss
rogers
that
you
might
have
some
ideas
through
your
contacts.
K
We've
already
pulled
some
information
from
some
of
the
larger
metro
counties
in
maryland
to
look
at
their
purchasing
operations,
the
number
of
people
size
of
budgets,
yada,
yada
and
I'm
it
hasn't
been
scheduled,
but
I'll
be
meeting
with
representatives
with
the
officers
of
the
maryland
procurement
organization
to
talk
about
speakers
and
best
practices.
But
I
I
think
I
understand
that
you
wanted
us
to
look
beyond
maryland
as
well.
So
if
you
could
share
those
suggestions,.
F
Sure
we
always
coordinate
with
naco
the
national
association
of
counties.
My
special
assistant,
ceviche
peoples,
who's
on
today,
whenever
we
benchmark
with
well.
Of
course,
you
peter,
you
know
ceviche
whenever
we
benchmark
on
any
product
project
or
or
effort,
and
that
is
something
that
is
our
best
practice.
That's
that's
our
standard
to
look
at,
but
I
will.
F
I
will
suggest
one
jurisdiction
that
is
touted
as
a
best
practice
county
just
across
the
board,
and
that
would
be
mecklenburg
county
in
north
carolina
and
I'd
also
say
from
a
budget
standpoint.
While
it
takes
it
down
to
the
municipal
level,
the
city
of
charlotte
north
carolina,
the
the
city,
administrative
officer,
there,
whose
expertise
is
definitely
budget
and
procurement
would
be
a
place
that
I
would
recommend
looking
but
also
neco
could
definitely
identify
best
practice
jurisdictions
in
the
procurement
area.
F
K
If
ceviche
could
forward
contact
information
on
those
suggestions
with
naco,
mecklenburg
and
charlotte
that'd
be
great
and
we
can
take
it
from
there.
Okay.
I
F
I
A
Great
okay,
great,
that's
very,
very
helpful
to
have
that
information.
Thank
you.
So
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
interim
report,
which
is
has
been
on
everyone's
mind,
particularly
chairs
of
mine
since
day
one,
and
that
is
due,
may
31st.
So
we,
the
subcommittee's
work,
has
been
terrific.
A
A
Have
even
though
we
are,
I
think,
we've
gotten
a
very
good
factual
background
presentations
from
from
county
representatives,
and
we
are
of
course
expanding
out
to
other
stakeholders.
Those
who
use
the
system
participate
in
the
system
or
have
decided
for
whatever
reason
that
they
don't
or
can't
don't
want
to
or
can't
participate
in
the
system.
We
want
to
understand
all
that
and-
and
we'll
be,
I
think,
focusing
on
that
in
particular
over
the
summer,
but
the
mechanics
of
actually
preparing
the
interim
report.
A
I
think
need
to
be
front
and
center
and
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
establish
some
deadlines
and
put
a
little
bit
of
if
I
may-
and
I
hate
to
use
this
word,
but
a
little
bit
of
pressure
on
this
on
the
subcommittees
to
do
this,
give
us
a
list
of
bullet
point
bullet
point
interim
report
recommendations,
other
observations
about
what
we
have
seen
and
again
it
doesn't
just
have
to
be
from
the
subcommittee.
A
I
thought
it's
all
of
us,
but
I
think
it'll
be
helpful
to
generate
things
out
of
the
subcommittees.
Those
that
have
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
some
of
those
subcommittees
are
not
quite
as
geared
up.
We've
talked
about
the
plan
to
have
some
kind
of
someone
come
in
and
talk
to
us
about
sustainability.
So
I
think
that
certainly
gets
mentioned
in
the
interim
report
is
something
we'll
be
looking
at,
but
we've
got
another
seven
months
or
so
six,
seven
months
or
so
to
go
yet
and
other
things
to
do
so.
A
My
thought
had
been
that
and
again
I
really
appreciate
the
commissioner's
efforts
and
your
willingness
to
meet
every
couple
weeks.
A
Instead
of
just
one
once
a
month,
but
my
thought
is
with
the
idea
to
get
the
finished
product
out
in
terms
of
internal
report
by
may
31st
in
talking
with
elizabeth
and
jasmine,
we
really
need
to
have
something
to
the
folks
in
the
county
who
will
make
it
look
presentable
and
we
hope,
put
some
nice
graphics
on
there
and
the
like
that
really
needs
to
be
accomplished
by
may
15,
and
so,
if
we
are
going
to
put
things
in
the
hands
of
the
writers
and
have
an
idea
about
and
get
an
agreement
among
this
commission
about
what
ought
to
be
in
the
interim
report.
A
I
think
we
need
to
have
everybody's
thoughts
on
interim
recommendations.
The
community
subcommittees
can
talk
about
what
they
have
done
and
what
they're
going
to
be
doing,
and
we
ought
to
have
that
before
the
end
of
this
month,
and
so
my
thought
would
be.
I'm
jumping
ahead
to
the
fourth
agenda
item.
My
thought
would
be
instead
of
meeting
in
two
weeks
we
meet
in
three
weeks,
but
we
have
in
hand
before
april
29
sometime
earlier
that
week,
that
we
have
for
all
of
us
to
look
at
the
collected
thoughts,
recommendations.
A
Comments
and
the
like
in
hand
so
that
we
can
all
look
at
those
in
discussions
on
the
29th
that
I
think
will
then
give
us
time
to
work
on
finessing
the
actual,
writing
and
feel
free,
not
to
use
bullet
points,
but
to
use
full
senses,
paragraphs
and
the
like,
but
just
to
get
everything
in
the
in
the
in
a
single
voice.
If
you
will
so
the
document
reads
well,
I
think
that
will
give
us
enough
time
to
accomplish
what
we
need
to
do.
So.
A
My
humble
proposal
to
the
rest
of
my
fellow
commissioners
is
that
we
set
on
my
calendar
out
here,
but
we
the
the
month
that
we
have
that
we
have
by
the
monday
before
our
meeting
on
thursday,
the
29th
everything
into
jasmine,
so
that
elizabeth.
So
that
way
it
can
be
posted
on
sharepoint
that
we
all
look
at
it
over
the
following
few
days
and
then
we'll
be
prepared
to
discuss
it
on
april.
A
29
see
what
needs
to
be
filled
in
see
make
certain
we're
all
on
the
same
page
about
what
should
be
in
the
interim
report,
and
then
we
proceed
to
put
the
document
together.
Does
that
work.
A
29Th
would
be
three
weeks
from
today
and
I
I
will
say
that
I,
for
one
would
be
happy
to
have
the
have
everybody
get
their
reports
recommended.
You
know,
propose
reports,
recommendations
and
like
in
by
friday,
the
23rd,
because
that
gives
us
a
little
more
time
to
review
it,
but
I
want
to
be
realistic.
I
know
every
person
on
this
commission
is
very
busy,
so
you
all
tell
me
what
what
makes
sense.
O
So
it
sounds
like,
and
I
know
the
construction
committee
subcommittee
we
have
a
meeting
coming
up,
sounds
like
we
need
to
at
our
next
meetings,
got
down
all
those
recommendations
at
our
subcommittee
meetings.
Thanks.
A
I
Okay,
so
I
have
a
question:
slash
suggestion
you
we,
you
did
talk
about
bullet
recommendations.
So
are
you?
Would
you
be
comfortable
in
allowing
us
to
give
you
bullet
recommendations
by
the
20
by
the
26th?
If
we
have
it
in
a
paragraph
form
fine,
but
if
we
don't
at
least
give
it
to
in
bullet
form,
and
then
we
can
give
us
another
week
or
so
to
flush
it
out
in
a
paragraph
form
so
that
it
would
be
ready
for
the
the
word
smithing
by
you
know
for
your
group
before
the
may
15th
date.
A
I
mean
that,
that's
that's
fine,
but
it's
fine.
I
mean
the
the
more
final.
It
is
the
better,
but
a
lot
of
things
to
talk
about.
I
know
people
have
asked
for
information
and
so
again
it's
what's
available,
we'll
get
it
done,
we'll
make
it
work.
I
Okay
and
that's
I
mean
and
as
you
can
tell
we're
on
several
committees-
and
you
know
where
ever
you
know
everybody's
kind
of
doing
that,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
confused
with
the
work
so
at
minimum,
we
can
give
you
some
bullets
and
then
that
allows
our
subcommittees
to
fill
in
the
blanks
where
one
person
might
have
missed
something
else.
Then
you
know
we
can
come
back
with
full
paragraph.
Okay,
thank
you.
J
I
have
one,
mr
chairman,
fire
away,
so
the
format
that
you're
looking
for
is
observation
and
a
little
bit
of
narrative,
which
is
what
we
saw
in
our
investigation
and
then
a
recommendation
following
that.
That
observation,
correct.
D
A
D
Just
wanted
to
add,
we
will
re-circulate
that
commission
on
fiscal
sustainability
report,
which
also
had
an
interim
report,
and
you
know
in
some
instances
they
just
flagged
areas
for
further
exploration,
as
the
commission
continues
its
work.
So
I
I
just
don't
want
everyone
to
feel
like
whatever
you've
looked
at
to
date
has
to
be
in
sort
of
final
thought
through.
This
is
the
time
to
flag
things,
but
if
there
are
things
that
are,
you
know
fully
vetted
and
finalized
by
all
means,
I
just
wanted
to
know
that
for
an
interim
report,
this
full.
A
Yes,
if
you
take
a
look
at
that
you'll
you'll
you'll
see
it's.
We
have
some
big
footsteps
to
follow.
J
A
I
have
not
thought
that
for
you,
okay,
I
would
well.
I
would
welcome
suggestions.
I
think
it'd
be
helpful.
People
looked
at
the
intro,
the
internal
report.
The
subcommittee's
play
a
big
part,
a
big
part
of
it,
and
I
don't
want
us
to
be
there's
either
stuck
with
or
so
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we
have
been,
but
so
tied
to
the
sort
of
the
five
steps
of
the
procurement
process,
but
I
think
we
have.
A
We
have
some
a
lot
of
those
on
a
lot
of
those
things
it
might
make
sense
to,
but
I
think
that
may
be
more
for
the
final
report.
It
may
may
be
driven
more
by
the
by
the
subcommittees,
but
I'm
I,
as
I
think
I've
told
all
of
you
separately
and
as
anybody
who
knows
me
will
attest,
I
will
take
all
the
help
I
can
get
in
any
context.
So
if
you
all
have
ideas
or
suggestions,
please
please
let
us
know
thank.
J
A
N
Yeah,
when
do
you
anticipate
that
we'll
be
able
to
have
a
report
to
the
entire
group
about
the
sustainability
issue?
Carla
nelson
and
I
did
have
a
very
good
meeting
with
the
staff,
but
every
other
issue
has
had
a
full
at
least
some
presentation.
A
A
A
Yeah
and
I
I've
seen
some
of
the
materials
you
guys
have
have
available
and
things
you
put
together,
I
mean
it
looks
very
thorough.
I
do
want
someone
to
come
in
and
talk
to
us
about
sustainability,
but
I
think
we
can
I'm
fully
confident
seeing
what
you
guys
have
done
and
how
much
you
know
about
it
and
you've
got
mayor
dixon
too,
on
the
on
that
subcommittee.
So
I'm
I'm
sure
we
can
well
said
will
be
helpful.
C
I
Is
it?
Is
it
possible
to
maybe
get
up
get
our
person
on
in
early
may,
because
I
know
that
when
we
had
a
conversation,
either
dan
or
scott
brought
up
a
gentleman,
I
can't
remember
the
name.
Forgive
me.
There
were
two
people
brought
up
and
both
scott
and
mayor
dixon
said
that
was
a
great
person
to
bring
up
regarding
this.
This
is
the
sustainability
even.
D
D
I
Early
may,
that
would
be
it
helped
further.
The
discussion
of
what
dan
and
I
will
put
in
our
recommendations,
but
prior
to
the
29th.
D
Yeah,
this
is
elizabeth.
It
is,
I
believe,
his
name
is
richard
keller
way
back
when
we
were
maybe
going
to
have
him
present,
and
I
don't
know
we,
we
moved
it
I'll,
take
responsibility
for
that.
But
there
is
an
expert
within
county
government
and
I
prefer
to
fill
when
he
wants
to
fit
him
in.
He
will
also
help
us
with
the
sustainability
issues
in
the
context
of
procurement,
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
presentation
whenever
the
group
is
ready
to
have
him.
N
I
think
there
are
two
things
getting
crossed
here.
Rich
keller
is
the
excellent
person
for
the
sustainability
part.
The
name
I
suggested
as
a
general
presenter
was
don
mueller
don
had
been
an
executive,
you
know
in
the
county
government
for
years
and
then
of
course
was
county
executive
when
executive
kamenetz
died
and
he
filled
the
role
very
ably,
and
so
I
I
just
recommended
him
as
a
general
source
of
information
force
because
he
knows
government
inside
and
outside.
N
A
Sure
well
well
and
understood,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that
is
a
post
interim
report-
that
we'll
talk
further
about
about
that.
It
may
be
that,
to
the
extent
there
are
questions
about
things
that
occurred
before
the
current
administration.
It
might
be
interesting
to
hear.
A
But
we'll
I
think,
we'll
have
to
sort
that
out,
but
I
that
that's
a
that
that's
supposed
to
report
piece
for
us
to
describe
okay.
Well,
I
would
say
this
on
the
sustainability
piece,
elizabeth.
If
you
want
to
check
with
with
mr
keller
and
see
what
his
availability
is
for
me,
I
I
want
to
reserve
for
the
commission
the
opportunity,
assuming
it
makes
sense
and
it's
efficient,
because
I
don't
shouldn't
want
to
waste
anybody's
time.
A
A
Let
me
let's
just
let
this
play
out
just
a
little
bit,
but
if
you
would
check
in
the
meantime
on
his
availability
in
may,
let's
see
if
we
can
certainly
fit
him
in
and
if
we
can
before
in
the
early
part
of
the
month,.
C
A
N
N
Also
megan
bennett,
who
was
the
the
remaining
staff
person,
was
pretty
had
a
lot
of
good
things
to
say
so
you
might
have
the
two
of
them.
Actually,
since
rich
keller
is
more
and
he
he
knows
a
lot,
but
it's
more
in
the
public
works
area
where
she's.
D
Yeah
but
megan
is
a
fellow
like
an
intern,
so
if
there
are
topics
she
touched
on
in
the
subcommittee,
give
email
me
and
jasmine
and
we
can
figure
out
who
should
best
present
on
those
she's,
wonderful
but
well.
I
I
have
to
agree-
and
forgive
me
for
the
background
noise,
because
we
understand
that
that's
the
sustainability
that
person
at
the
head
is,
there
is
no
head.
She
may
be
an
intern
but
she's
carrying
that
load,
and
I
and
dan
in
reference
to
the
the
information
that
her
and
her
colleagues
and
some
things
that
she's
done
she's
dug
into
it,
and
I
think
it's
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
hear
the
work
that
she's
done
as
she's,
the
quote
placeholder.
D
E
I
Terms
of
scheduling-
let
me
just
say,
we've
tried
to
get
steve
and
steve
has
been
unavailable
for
our
meetings
and
we've
been
waiting
on
him.
So
I
just
need
you
to
understand
where
you're
going.
D
A
Good
all
right,
we've
talked
a
bit
as
it
turns
out
in
this
discussion
about
potential
subject
matter:
experts
for
future
commission
meetings,
the
best
practices
piece
and
it's
very
helpful-
to
get
the
madam
ceo's
suggestions-
and
I
know
peter's
been
working
on
that
and
I
have
as
well,
because
I
really
want
to.
C
A
Be
great
to
hear
from
other
jurisdictions
and
be
good
to
hear
from
some
people
who
are
just
experts
generally,
so
we
have
that
sustainability.
Some
other
names
have
been
suggested,
and
I
see
that
commissioner
chambers
has
a
comment.
Please.
I
Going
back
to
sustainability
and
subject,
one
of
persons
that
I
brought
to
our
subcommittee
and
I
believe,
would
be
great
for
the
overall
commission
on
several
fronts,
one
because
of
their
sustainability
work
as
it
relates
to
renewable
energy
and
everything
and
their
work,
not
just
in
maryland,
but
they
also
are
doing
work
in
the
british
virgin
islands,
which
happens
to
be
mr
robert
wallace.
Of
course,
mayor
dixon
knows
him.
I
Scott
knows
him
and
in
addition,
he
also
provided
us
some
insight
as
to
his
issues
or
and
and
problems
and
in
procurement
and
procurement
solicitations
with
baltimore
county
in
the
past.
So
he's
he
can
kind
of
hit.
I
So
various
topics
as
it
relates
to
our
our
work
from
as
a
as
a
minority
business
owner,
that's
tried
to
get
work
with
the
county
and
over
various
administrations
as
a
certified
business
and
as
a
prime
contractor
as
it
relates
to
doing
the
work
in
sustainability,
renewable
energy,
the
innovation
that
he
brings,
we
we
would
do
it
would
was
justice
to
hear
from
him
and
the
the
work
that
he's
doing.
I
Just
when
we're
talking
about
being
innovative
and
doing
things
differently
and
doing
things
better,
I
just
believe
he
would
be
a
great
subject
matter.
Experts
to
bring
on
board.
F
A
Okay,
well
we'll
we'll
work
through.
I
think
also,
as
we
all
focus
on
the
interim
report,
it
will
point
out
to
us
the
addition
of
what
we've
already
talked
about
as
we
move
forward
into
the
summer.
A
Where
else
we
need
to
gather
additional
information
or
seek
guidance
of
the
like
from
those
with
expertise.
So
obviously
this
is
an
ongoing
process.
A
A
Time
our
next
meeting,
I
think
that
the
suggestion
there
was
there
was
some
logistical
question.
We
would
do
it
in
the
afternoon,
but
start
at
two
instead
of
three
next
time
on
the
29th
is
that
doable
for
everybody?
A
J
J
J
A
H
E
Thank
you
just
want
to
put
out
there
that
we
do
have
some
some
very
high,
complex
procurements,
that's
out
there
being
solicited
or
we're
working
on,
and
I
just
want
the
community
to
kind
of
take
in
consideration.
As
we
are
asking.
You
know,
different
vendors
with
different
expertise
to
come
aboard
and
to
help
out
with
this
commission
that
we
at
least
ask
them.
E
Do
they
plan
on
participating
in
any
of
these
solicitations
that
we
currently
have
outposted,
or
we
have
coming
out
sometime
soon,
just
to
be
careful
of
what
type
of
information
that
they
are
privileged
to,
because
we
don't
want
them
to
have
any
information
that
gives
them
an
advantage,
and
then
we
will
have
to
disqualify
them.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
on
everybody's
radar.
A
If
not,
I
will
thank
everybody
for
their
participation
and
and
susan.
Thank
you
again
for
being
available,
and
I
will
suggest
we
adjourn
a
little
early
on
a
nice
spring
day,
but
thank
you
for
all
your
efforts,
I'll
get
an
email
out
which
will
confirm
the
various
dates
we've
talked
about,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
everybody
on
the
on
the
29th
thanks
again.