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A
But
the
only
one
I
know
for
sure
who
told
me
she
would
not
be
present
is
peter.
A
A
All
right:
well,
why
don't
we
get
started?
We've
got
a
quorum
and
I
need,
according
to
the
agenda,
to
do
my
welcome,
so
welcome
everyone
good
to
see
everybody
again.
I
appreciate
everybody's
efforts
since
the
last
meeting
and
dan
for
those
who
were
away
at
the
last
meeting,
like
you
for
your
efforts
in
getting
in
getting
draft
revisions
and
new
sections
to
us,
so
we
could
put
the
draft
discussion
document
together.
We're
going
to
be
talking
about
a
little
bit.
A
So
why
don't
we
just?
Why?
Don't
we
just
get
started?
I
don't
know
that
we'll
need
the
whole
two
hours
today,
but
we'll
be
as
efficient
and
productive
as
we
can.
So
let
me
go
to
item
two
which
is
status
of
meeting
minutes
needing
approval.
A
There
are
a
number
of
minutes
of
prior
meetings
that
we
need
to
review
and
approve.
A
I
think
we
are
fully
capable
of
doing
that
once
they're
ready
and
we
can
do
it
by
email
or
we'll
just
do
it
the
next
meeting,
but
I
want
to
be
sure
we
get
caught
up.
So
let
me
ask
elizabeth
jasmine
what
you
can
tell
us
about
the
status
of
that
and
when
we
might
be
able
to
start
seeing
some
draft
minutes
that
we
can
be
in
a
position
to
review
and
approve.
D
Yes,
you'll
get
an
email
from
me
in
the
morning,
everyone
once
they're
completed
into
sharepoint.
There
was
a
update
last
night
and
I'm
working
from
home
today,
so
tomorrow
everything
will
be
in
there
and
I'll
email
everyone.
I
also
know
without
our
queen
peta.
We
can't
approve
anything.
She's
got
that
eagle
eye
for
her
corrections.
D
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you
appreciate
that
all
right,
let's
move
to
commission
business
and
got
a
couple
of
updates.
First
before
we
start
looking
at
the
draft
when
I'm
calling
the
draft
discussion
document
just
to
be
consistent
with
the
emails
I
sent
on
september
30..
So
first,
the
procurement
survey,
the
internal
survey
that
was
done.
D
Yeah
so
that
closed
on
friday-
and
I
am
asked
for
the
results
I'll
get
with
bc-
stats
to
give
us
some
slides
similar
to
last
time
evaluating
their
answers
and
as
soon
as
that
goes
up,
we
can,
you
know,
discuss
via
email
or
you
all
can
use
that
information.
However,
or
if
we
need
to
discuss
at
the
next
meeting,
we
can
also
do
that.
A
Okay,
and-
and
maybe
I
missed
it
so
when
do
we
think
that'll
be
available
to
us.
F
D
Yeah
last
time
I
was
presented,
it
was
in
powerpoint
with
graphs
for
everyone.
So
I
imagine
you
would
do
a
similar
format
format.
It
shouldn't
be
an
over
abundance,
since
it
was
a
targeted
group.
So
if
everyone
would
like,
I
can
also
get
you
the
raw
data.
If
you
would
also
like
to
go
pivot
table
crazy
for
your
own
evaluation
but
yep.
That
should
be
in
cue
to
me
shortly
and
if.
A
Well,
I
think
what
will
what
we'll
do
is,
let's
send
it
in
that
format
and
then,
if
any
commissioner
would
like
to
have
backup
raw
stats,
they
can
ask
jasmine
for
that
directly
and
get
it
we'll
and
we'll
talk
about
it.
The
next
meeting
and
see,
if
there's
any
need
for
something
further,
but
I
think
that
presentation,
unless
any
other
commissioner,
has
a
different
view.
A
Your
suggestion
elizabeth
is
so
it
works.
For
me,
that's
okay
with
everybody
all
right
looks
like
it
is.
Okay,
next
item:
commission
business,
I
see
commissioner
blackey
has
joined
us
noon.
Efficiency
study
final
report.
Can
you
tell
us
elizabeth
where
that
stands.
G
So
we
received
the
final
report-
all
746
pages
on
tuesday
morning,
at
3
40
a.m.
So
I
don't
know
oh
beth
is
on
here.
She
has
isolated
the
sections
relevant
to
the
commission
and
I
think
we're
going
to
send
it
in
a
zip
file
beth
or
are
you
going
to
post
it
on
sharepoint,
not
the
whole
report?
It's
long
and
it's
it's
still
very
much,
not
public,
but
I
am
more
than
willing
to
share.
What's
more
or
less
previously
been
presented
to
the
group
chunk
out
those
sections.
F
You
can
you
hear
me:
okay,
yes,
okay,
it
looks
like
we
have
seven
or
eight
sections
that
I'm
happy
to
pull
out.
I
can
put
them
together
in
one
flowing
word
document.
If
that
works,
for
you
all
and
I'll
separate
them
per
section
I'll,
give
you
a
little
tight
like
a
listing
at
the
top,
so
you
know
what's
coming
and
I
think
it's
pretty
evident
by
the
title,
but
I
can
get
that
over
to
you
today.
If
that
works.
E
G
Then
also
fleet
management
is
a
separate
section,
but
I
know
it's
relevant
to
the
commission's
work.
A
And
again,
it's
up
to
you
all
whether
that
gets
put
on
sharepoint
at
this
juncture,
since
it's
in
draft
you
just
want
to
email
it
to
the
commission,
commission
members,
but
we
would
like
to
see
it
because.
G
A
Time
time
is
getting
tight
here,
as
I
said
great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
beth.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
we
get
to
the
draft
discussion
document
and.
A
There
dan
sent
me
an
email
and
said
this
is
this
is
quite
a
document
and
it
is,
and
it
shows
everybody's
hard
work.
The
idea
here
is
to
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
go
through
the
particular
sections
see
if
there
is
anything
in
the
sections
here
that
anyone
any
of
the
commissioners
would
like
to
comment
on,
and
then
you
know,
if
there's
some
obvious
edits
or
anything
that
somebody
has
then
the
next
again
going
back
to
the
timetable
the
commission
established
at
our
september
30
meeting.
A
A
Like
everybody
look
at
that
review,
it
be
great
if
people
have
redline
comments,
if
they
could
send
it-
and
I
think
at
our
next
meeting,
which
would
be
october
28th
assuming
that
works
for
everybody,
we'll
we'll
discuss
substance,
formatting
file,
editing,
it
might
make
sense
at
that
point
to
have
either
a
group
of
bloggers
or
particularly
interested
copy.
Editors
at
all,
a
smaller
group
to
take
another
run
at
it
before.
E
A
The
would
ought
to
be
pretty
close
to
final
available
for
the
to
the
commission
for
last
last
comments
last
edits
last
discussions
needed.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
today
is
go
through
the
sections
we
have
here
just
get
some
general
anybody's
general
comments
or
reactions.
Having
had
the
document
for
a
little
while,
not
as
long
as
I'm
sure
most
people
would
like
and
we'll
make
notes
of
that
and
then
proceed
to
get
that
october.
A
21
document
in
everybody's
hands
edited
updated
and
ready
to
go
for
discussion
on
the
28th.
So
having
said
that,
anything
in
the
introduction
section,
I
had
a
couple
points
but
I'll.
Let
me
see
if
anybody
else
has
something
they
want
to
get
to.
First.
A
Everybody
love
the
introduction
good.
A
couple
of
couple
of
thoughts
that
I
that
I
had
is
there's
a
list
of
of
subcommittees
and
we
need
to
get
commissioner
jones
name
appropriately
put
in
there
and
also
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
the
processes
portion
of
this.
We
need
to
talk
about
the
surveys.
We've
done
our
public
input
meeting
and
a
couple
of
other
things
that
I
think
will
reflect
the
efforts
of
the
of
the
commission.
I
also
think
we
should
want
to
do
that.
A
I
think
we
should
also
sorry
for
the
tour
of
my
conference
right
here.
Wait
a
minute.
A
Let
me
get
my
I.t
person
here,
so
I
and
then
I'll
come
back
in
video.
But
what
I
want
to
say
is
that
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
we
can
add
here
about
the
work
of
the
subcommittees
and
all
their
efforts.
H
Yes,
dan
here,
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
list
all
the
all
the
commission
members
in
the
introduction
or
someplace.
I
know
all
I
can
recall
you
know,
but
there
was
one
or
two
who
left
and
then
you
know
we
had
a
new
member
or
two,
so
that
just
should
be
clarified.
H
E
A
And
I,
in
that,
actually
in
the
interim
report,
the
the
after
the
title
page,
the
interrupt.
The
first
page
of
the
interim
report
was
a
list
of
of
everybody
and
reflected
that
commissioner
bennetty
had
have
left
the
commission
that
commissioner
jones
had
joined.
So
yes,
we
will
that
that
will
be.
That
should.
J
And
I'm
sorry
phil
are
you
on
page
five
or
of
the
document.
A
Okay,
there
we
go
sorry
yeah,
I'm
on
page
five,
there's
something
else
that.
J
I
mean
it
certainly
describes
the
subcommittees
in
in
general.
What
what
they're
doing
are
we
thinking
the.
A
Next
morning,
which
is
on
page
five
at
the
bottom,
which
is
the
procurement,
staffing,
training
and
certification
provisions,
peter
had
a
number
of
comments.
As
you
can
see,
in
the
margin
about.
A
Again,
there's
a
reference
to
the
resurvey.
There
are
she's
got
some
additional.
You
know
page
six,
some
additional
stats
or
updated
percentages.
A
A
couple
things
that
she
asked
if
rose
butler,
could
confirm
a
couple
of
things
based
on
the
chief
administrative
officer's
presentation
at
the
last
meeting
and
that's
those
seems
to
those
seem
to
be
the
they're
just
in
the
in
the
mostly.
We
have
us
in
the
form
of
updates,
and
there
are
some
new
if
you
will
redline
recommendations
in
there.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
reactions
to
that
or
if
anybody
else
since
peter's,
not
here
if
carla
chambers
or
steve
who
are
present,
would
like
to
add
anything
to
his
comments
or
anything,
they
want
the
commission
to
think
about
or
discuss
at
this
juncture.
B
In
reference
to
peter.
A
B
E
C
C
H
Well,
as
long
as
this
moment,
elizabeth
right,
the
last
sentence
just
before
all
the
committees
are
listed,
it
says
x
office.
It
should
be
x
officio.
There
are
a
few
other
little
typos
and
periods,
but
that's
one.
I
just
happened
to
see
because
we're
on
that
section.
J
Elizabeth
and
jasmine
also,
I
know
dpw
and
t
is
the
current
department
name,
so
we
should
probably
double
check
those
throughout
the
document.
I
guess
I
saw
a
couple
dpws
in
there
from.
H
E
G
C
I
got
a
lot
of
digestion
to
do.
I
got
to
get
through
this
guys
and
I
apologize
but
from
from
a
yeah,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
we
can.
Can
you.
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
all
right!
If
you
all
can
hear
me,
I'm
gonna
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
sign
off
and
go
to
another
computer
five-minute
break
talk
among
yourselves,
I'm
so
sorry
I'll
be
I'll,
be
back
momentarily
thanks!.
H
D
Put
on,
I
was
going
to
suggest
because
it
was
more
or
less
it's
copy
paste
into
in
into
one
document
without
proofreading
that
one
I
I
hope
to
catch
all
of
these
things
between
what
peta
also
put
in
there.
D
But
I
think
if
we
could
in
track
changes,
make
note
of
these,
because
I'm
trying
to
capture
everything
as
you
all
saying,
but
we
would
probably
be
here
until
saturday
pointing
out
you
know
punctuation
and
typos,
so
I
think
it
might
be
a
better
use
of
our
conversation
when
still
returns,
to
kind
of
talk
more
about
the
sections
and
the
recommendations
and
any
feedback
or
challenges
that
we
have
with.
What's
in
there
got
it.
Unless
you
want
to
stay
on
webex
with
us
for
the
next,
you
know
24
hours.
G
And
I
I
also
want
to
point
out
our
graphic
designer
is
likely
to
just
take
the
formatting
she
did
for
the
interim,
where
a
lot
of
the
layout
for
the
committee
structure
and
titles
will
just
be
replicated,
but
in
case
she
doesn't,
please
feel
free
to
find
those
typos
and
thank
you
steve.
Yes,
we
do
need
to
do
a
search
and
replace
for
dpw
the
dpwt.
H
G
G
But
I.
G
G
As
opposed
to
adding
746
pages
as
an
appendix
to
this,
or
even
a
portion
of
it,
so
yeah,
no
thank
you
for
that.
Catch,
though.
C
Elizabeth
as
I
think
about
the
the
at
minimum
three
kind
of
reports
that
are
coming
together,
diversity
and
inclusion
report
and
well
disparity,
study,
the
performance
report
and
our
procurement
commission
report.
C
What
is
the
administration's
plan
for
kind
of
reviewing?
All
of
these?
Looking
at
all
the
you
know
is
there?
Is
there
a
precedent,
one
over
the
other,
because
there
really
a
lot
of
overlap
with
all
the
work?
That's
being
done.
G
That
is
a
very
helpful
question.
I
appreciate
it-
and
I
know,
having
spoken
with
madam
cao
about
this,
that
for
the
purposes
of
the
commission's
work
and
the
public
works
llc
review,
we
will
be
putting
together
an
implementation
plan
which
will
include
feedback
from
department
heads
about
what's
doable
what
needs
funding
what
might
have
to
be
put
off.
I
dare
say
many
of
those
are
more
applicable
to
the
public
works
llc
report.
G
In
addition,
I
will
preview
that
some
of
the
public
works,
llc
recommendations
and
potential
cost
savings
require
an
upfront
investment,
and
so
we
are
asking
them
that's
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
delay
in
their
product
or
their
deliverables
that
we
ask
them
to
do
the
number
crunching.
What
do
we
have
to
spend
in
order
to
eventually
realize
the
savings?
C
A
I
can
hear
you
I'm
so
happy
to
be
seeing
all
of
you
again.
I
apologize.
I
I
thought
I'd
get
fancy
because
we
have
this
conference
room
set
up
with
all
this
great
stuff,
and
somebody
said:
why
are
you
sitting
at
your
desk?
You
could
be,
I
said,
okay,
so
that's
the
last
suggestion
I
take
from
anybody,
so
I
apologize
I'm
mindful
of
how
precious
time
everybody's
time
is.
I
really
I
apologize
for
that.
So
did
you
guys
get
through
the
rest
of
the
day,
all
done.
D
But
mainly
phil,
just
for
your
knowledge,
I
suggested
that
and
if
people
could
make
their
typo
punctuate
those
kind
of
edits
and
track
changes,
we
just
focus
this
conversation
more
about
the
the
content
or
the
substance
that
folks
may
have
additional
questions
or
their
challenges
with,
and
then
I
can
spend
my
time
kind
of
trying
to
consolidate
those
versions.
A
Perfect,
thank
you
jasmine
that
that's
a
great
great
suggestion.
Okay,
so
I
think
we
were
at
the
procurement
staffing,
training
certification
and
I
think
I
had
asked
or
was
trying
to
ask.
Maybe
no
one
heard
me
is
whether
since
peter's
not
here
whether
any
of
the
that
committee's
other
members,
I
guess
in
those
in
attendance,
would
be
carla
chambers
or
steve
walsh
if
they
wanted
to
add
anything
and
or
if
anybody
had
any
other
questions
suggestions
comments
again
going
to
substance
as
opposed
to
attract
changes,
kind
of
editing.
B
B
In
reference
to
substance,
peter
captured
what
we
were
what
we
had
talked
about
in
our
sub
sub
committees.
One
of
the
the
only
piece
that
needs
to
be
done
is
on
the
nbe
committee
side.
When
we
are
talking
about
certain
things,
is
we
want
to
reference
back
to
peta's
piece
from
a
per
from
the
staffing
training
side?
So,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
that
now-
excuse
me
now
or
until
the
final
report.
B
So
when
we
say
something
we
can
say,
please
refer
to
page
whatever,
whatever
you
know
for
peta
section
or
and
vice
versa,
so
that
people
can
see
automatically
within
the
document
that
they
align
with
one
another.
Yes,
that's
so,
but
that's
later
down
the
line
after
you
know,
we
get
through
what
who's.
On?
What
page.
A
You
know
that
makes
perfect
sense
and
I
think
at
least
as
I'm
envisioning
the
draft
that
goes
to
everybody
on
the
21st
that
at
that
point,
because
everything
will
be
loaded
and
then
so
at
that
point
then
carl,
your
your
subcommittee's
portion
is
in
there
and
you
can
redline
in
referring
back
to
pieces.
You
leave
it
blank,
so
we
have
the
actual
pages
set
up
and
I
I
will
we'll
sort
out
also
the
order
in
which
these
things
should
appear.
Maybe
it'll
be
alphabetical.
B
If
I
can
just
say
I
really
like
the
fact
that
purchasing
comes
first,
I
know
probably
there's
a
piece
and
it
may
be
about
code
and
manual,
but
because
purchasing
kind
of
hit,
everybody
else.
You
know
through
the
training
and
through
you
know,
who's
who's
on
first
who's
on
second
purchasing
and
training,
kind
of
captured
that
and
then
out
of
that
you
can
fall
into
best
practices
and
sustainability.
B
A
A
and
commissioner
walsh
did
you
want
to
say
anything
in
particular
and
then,
if
anybody
anybody
else
has
any
comments
or
thoughts
on
this
section.
C
Manual,
the
code
and
the
manual
revisions,
we
got
a
you
know
pretty
concise
comment
here
about
our
recommendation
on
what
needs
to
happen,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
a
lot
and
dan
hasn't
mentioned
it
was
you
know
what,
in
addition
to
to
kind
of
reviewing
and
updating
the
manual,
was
this
idea
of
precedence
and
I'm
not
sure
dan?
If
we
came
back,
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
reconsidering
how
the
manual
is
used
and
where
it
fits
between
the
code
and
the
manual.
H
Thank
you,
scott
for
saying
that
I
think
the
interim
report
had
a
stronger
statement
and
I
think
we
should
go
back
to
that,
which
is
to
make
it
clear
that
the
order
of
the
charter
code
manual-
and
I
think
that
was
in
the
original
statement
and
correct.
Thank
you
for
recognizing
that
and
it
should
be
re-emphasized
here.
As
the
final
report,
there
were
reasons
there.
H
I
was
told
informally
and
I
I
would
share
with
phil
privately
rather
than
the
group,
how
that
peculiarity
that
the
manual
has
precedence
over
the
code
came
about
it's
purely
informal
discussions
with
some
people
in
county
government,
okay
worth
repeating
at
a
public
meeting,
but
there
was
didn't
happen
by
accident.
I'm
just
doing
so.
We
should
be
very
clear
and
I
think
we
should
state
it
very
clearly
in
that
section,
as
we
did
the
interim
report,
that
it's
code
charter
code
manual
and
that's
the
customer.
A
Sure-
and
I
and
thank
you
both
for
for
that
for
those
points-
the
the
we're
going
to
take
what's
in
the
interim
report
and
put
it
in
the
final
report
so.
A
If
we
think
that
needs
to
be
yeah,
I
think.
A
J
I
know
he's
not
on
the
call
to
really
talk
about
it,
but
it
was
this
idea
of
responsible
contractor
language
and
he
was
he
was
proposing
that
the
county
adopt
a
process
by
which
contractors
would
certify
that
they're
following
the
the
rules
as
far
as
wages
are
concerned-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
in
our
subgroup
about
how
that
should
be
implemented.
J
Ultimately,
what
we
came
to
was
the
idea
that
it
could
be
woven
into
yearly
pre-qualification
of
contractors,
and
I
think
we
all
were
okay
with
some
generic
language,
that
the
county
should
consider
it,
and
then
the
language
that
I
proposed
here
was
potential
language
that
they
could
adopt,
understanding
that
none
of
this
had
been
vetted
through
law
or
really
anybody
else
other
than
our
subgroups.
So
that's
that's
the
genesis
of
that
now.
J
One
of
the
final
comments
that
pete
had-
and
it
was
a
a
good
comment-
was
that
jermaine
wanted
it
to
apply
to
subcontractors.
It
went
as
well
and
the
fact
that
we
were
including
it
in
a
yearly
pre-qualification
that
that
subcontractor
requirement
would
not
work,
would
not
work
in
that.
So
my
edits
that
I'll
send
to
elizabeth
and
jasmine
include
the
deleting
what
you
see
here
as
far
as
the
subcontractor
requirement
there.
So
I
think
that's
where
we
left
off
as
a
sub
group
and
again,
it's
sort
of
a
general.
J
Idea
that
was
put
forth
and
we
thought
it
was
something
the
county
should
at
least
consider
it
does.
It
add
a
whole
lot
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things.
Maybe
maybe
not
jermaine's
idea
was
that
it,
the
county,
should
do
more
with
promoting
the
use
of
contractors
that
abide
by
the
rules
and
that's
where
that
stood.
So
again,
I'm
not
sure
if
folks
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it,
but
that's
that's
the
idea.
There
we
had
some
other
small
items
that
we
included
in
this
version.
J
One
was
at
the
beginning
on
page
14.
how
they're
gonna,
how
the
county
dpwt
is
gonna,
implement
the
prevail
prevailing
wage
law
that
they
just
adopted
last
year.
That's
all
tied
to
sort
of
additional
staffing
and
the
expansion
of
the
prism
program
to
monitor
these
things
a
little
further.
So.
A
Thanks
steve
comments,
thoughts,
jermaine's
yeah,
go.
L
Ahead,
pete
yeah,
the
responsible,
subcontractor
language,
I
think,
was
a
little
bit
redundant
when
you
consider
you
know
that
we
do
have
a
pre-qualification
process
that
other
places
do
not
have
but
and
any
wage
law
issues
violations
are
covered
by
fines
and
that
type
of
thing.
So,
if
they
put
it,
I
didn't
have
a
problem
if
they
put
in
the.
L
But
what
I
tried
to
address
was
that
we
can.
The
general
contractor
cannot
be
responsible
for
the
subcontractor
verifications
of
what
what
he
does,
especially
at
the
time,
even
that
time
of
bidding,
we
don't
even
know
sometimes
who
the
subcontractor
is
so
and
when
you
tie
that
to
fines
and
everything
else,
it
just
doesn't
make
it
fair.
It's
not
a
fair
process,
so
we.
H
F
L
Really
wanted
to
leave
the
subcontractor
verification
out
of
it,
but
if,
if
we
want
to
do
the
responsible
contract
and
portion
as
part
of
the
credit
qualification
process,
that
was
okay.
A
Understood
other
other
comments.
A
J
What
one
one
additional
one
phil,
if
I
could,
of
course
this
relates
a
little
bit
to
the
construction,
but
a
little
bit
to
the
last
sections,
but
I'll
jump
ahead
anyway.
The
part
of
the
work
we
were
doing,
I
think
in
pita
subcommittee,
but
also
in
in
the
construction,
was
ae.
Procurement,
engineering,
architect,
procurement
and
I
had
so
got
some
information
requested
and
obtained
information
from
the
american
council
of
engineering
companies
on
a
statewide
county
by
county
summary
of
ae
procurement.
J
Yes-
and
that
was
part
of
the-
I
guess
going
to
be
the
appendix.
J
J
I
was
thinking
about
that
last
night
actually
reached
out
reached
back
to
the
acec,
just
to
verify
that
we
could
use
that
document
in
our
document
and
they
are
going
to
discuss
that
and
give
me
a
final
answer
on
that.
Their
only
concern
was
that
was
a
sort
of
a
working
summary.
They
want
to
call
it
something
else
other
than
maybe
call
it
a
draft
document,
or
something
like
that.
They'll
give
me
that
final
language
soon,
so
I
will
pass
that
on,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you.
J
You
all
knew
that
that
that
they
they're
going
to
comment
on
on
how
we
can
use
that
document.
A
And
I,
and
I
know
my
my
fellow
lawyers
on
the
on
the
call-
will
appreciate
your
attention
to
copyright
law.
Commissioner
wallace,
thank
you.
A
Appreciate
it:
okay,
dan,
I
think
the
next
up
starts
on
page
18,
it's
sustainability.
Any
any
comments
for
the
group
generally.
H
Only
that
it
was
a
group
effort,
sheila,
dixon,
carla,
also
jen,
iosa
and
megan
bennett,
who
are
now
the
sustainability
director
rich
keller,
provided
the
county
revisions
and
delegate
dana
stein,
who
is
vice
chair
of
the
environmental
matters
committee
in
my
district,
all
reviewed
it
and
we
all
agree
to.
What's
there.
A
Okay,
I
believe
next
up
is
on
page
28
fleet
management.
I
think
we're
back
to
you,
commissioner,
walsh,
on
that.
H
What
happened?
Yes
and
that's
one,
that
I
I'm
a
little
confused
about
so
I'll
look
for
guidance
here,
because
my
understanding
that
cooperative
purchasing
was
going
to
end
up
being
a
subset
of
best
practices
and
peta,
and
I
had
a
number
of
documents
that
went
back
and
forth
candidly.
We
didn't
quite
became
pretty
close
to
agreement
on
that.
H
We
didn't
come
to
final
agreement
on
sort
of
the
emphasis
on
a
couple
of
points,
but
that
I
have
those
documents,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
they're
the
latest
and
but
I
think
it
does
fit
under
best
practices
as
a
if
you
want
to
stand
alone.
That's
fine,
but
probably
phil.
You
me
and
peter
will
should
go
over
the
sure,
the
differences
and
see
if
we
can
iron
them
out
since
we're
pretty
close.
H
But
since
it's
in
there
and
it's
in
red
and
since
I'm
the
subcommittee
chair,
we
actually
did
do
the
work
yeah.
But
we
didn't
quite
come
to
consensus
as
we
did
on
the
others
and
whether
it's
you
can
decide
or
the
commission
is
that,
whether
standalone
or
best
practices.
I
have
no
opinion
on
that.
A
H
A
You
she
might
sure
she
might
might
be
working
on
her
right
now
for
all
we
know.
Thank
you.
J
So
the
small
committee
of
pete
and
myself
I
got
together
and
talked
about
fleet
management
came
up
with
some
questions
for
the
county,
sent
them
out.
The
county
responded.
J
I
wove
those
responses
into
the
language
here
of
what
they
do
and
the
approaches
they
take.
We
tried
to
focus
on
purchasing
and
not
really
operational
things
which
is
you
know
it
gets
a
little
hard.
We
don't
want
to
delve
too
far
on
the
operational
side.
That's
really
out
of
what
we
should
be
doing
so
really
the
recommendation
was
that
or
what
we
found
from
our
perspective,
at
least
was
that
the
county
followed
pretty
good
basic
procurement
from
the
fleet
side.
J
But
certainly
you
know,
the
results
of
the
public
works.
Llc
will
will
dictate
what
the
future
looks
like,
but
it
seems
that
best
practices
were
being
followed
from.
What
we
could
see
will
be.
A
Helpful
to
have
the
deficiency
studies,
thoughts
and
recommendations
to
see
if
there's
anything
else,
we
we
want-
or
we
want
to
dispute
from
that-
I
guess
we'll
have
that
soon.
So
that'll
be
helpful.
We
can
again
part
of
the
discussion
of
the
next
version
of
the
document.
Anybody
else
have
any
thoughts
or
comments.
Anyone
to
add
about
fleet
management.
At
this
point
yes,
p.
L
L
J
A
We
we
appreciate
that
we
appreciate
that
and
again
I
think
it
will
be
interesting
to
see
what
what
the
efficiency
study
report
has
to
say
and
then
we
can
sort
out
how
we
want
to
proceed
from
there
on
that.
So
if
there's
nothing
else
on
fleet
management,
let's
go
to
property
management.
J
And
property
management
again
was
a
really
late.
Addition
to
to
the
work
that
pete
and
I
were
was
doing-
and
I
I
threw
this
together-
I
hate
to
say
that,
but
I
did.
I
threw
it
together
to
get
you
something
on
property
management.
We
were
focusing
on
fleet
so
much
that
property
management
became
an
afterthought,
but
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things,
property
management
really
fulfills
a
role
like
public
works
in
procuring
services
and
a
lot
of
the.
J
The
overlapping
items
we've
been
talking
about
really
really
relate
to
property
management.
Also,
so
property
management
folks
had
given
us
some
information
a
while
back
that
I
wove
into
the
language
of
the
document
here.
J
J
Project
control
project
bidding
is
done.
You
know,
according
to
industry
standards,
sort
of
construction
project
management
made
a
recommendation
that
they
should
be
involved
in
any
enterprise-wide
construction
management.
You
know
improvements
that
that
dpw
makes
they
should
be
part
of
that
and
then
also
they
make
big
use
of
one
call
contract.
So
any
future
improvements
in
one
on
call
contract
language.
J
What
should
apply
to
them
also,
so
those
were
the
big
things
big
takeaways
from
from
my
standpoint
at
least
and
again,
any
other
ideas
certainly
send
those
through,
because
that
was
a
small
set
of
eyes.
Looking
at
it.
E
A
We,
as
we
read
through
the
the
whole
document
with
the
inter
interim
report,
sections
coming
in
that
are
unchanged
in
the
interim
report.
Coupled
with
what
we're
doing
here
there
we
may
be
fleet
management
property
management
are
within
within
our
responsibility
as
to
procurement.
A
That's
something
the
commission's
supposed
to
be
looking
at,
but
again
the
extent
that
they're
mostly
covered
by
best
practices
or
something
else
or
they
take
from
other
sections
and
again,
I'm
mindful
of
carla's
comment
about
the
starting
off
with
the
with
the
whole
purchasing
group
and
and
the
like
about,
because
that's
where
it
sort
of
all
starts
in
terms
of
the
getting
the
logistics
taken
care
of
for
procurement.
A
There
may
be
a
lot
of
cross-referencing
covering
it
that
way,
but
we'll
we'll
see
what
all.
So
we
have
the
additional
information
from
the
deficiency
study
we'll
see
what
else
we
need
to
supplement
or
work
on,
but
thank
you
thank
you
for
that
steve
all
right,
listen
to
the
comments,
we'll
go
to
best
practices,
and
so
the
best
practices
team
is
a
it's
a
mighty
one.
And
although
the
the
ch,
the
chair,
is
not
it's
not
here.
I
The
only
comments
that
I
would
make
is
that,
of
course
she
sent
us
the
draft.
We
gave
her
recommendations
within
it.
I
don't
know
if
scott
added
any,
but
she
did
include
some
things
that
I
had
recommended
after
we
went
up
the
draft.
C
Yeah-
and
I
did
I
provided
some
updates
as
well,
so
I
think
she's
captured
everything
from
the
committee.
It's
an
opportunity
for
the
you
know
for
everyone
else
to
provide
their
thoughts
on
what
we
have
for
best
practices.
A
Right
in
the
the
the
graph,
the
graphics
in
their
like
page
30,
on
page
34
and.
A
We
have
we
applaud
the
committee's
notion
of
the
graphic
and
I
think
we're
going
to
use
it,
but
it
will
look.
It
will
look
different
in
the
in
the
actual
report,
not
not
not
the
architecture
if
you
will
but
just
sort
of
the
way
it's
presented.
So
it's
a
little
clearer,
the
point
that's
being
made
by,
but
we'll
certainly
do
that
any
other
thoughts
on
on
best
practices.
A
This
point
all
right.
I
know
that.
A
And
again,
I
I
want
to
get
your
your
comments,
but
I
I
know
that
the
mbwb
small
business
subcommittee
there's
a
lot
of
work
put
in
on
getting
ready
for
the
interim
report
based
on
disparity
studying
alike,
and
I
I
understand
there
may
be
some
some
tweaks
to
that,
and
so
we'll
want
to
be
sure.
A
We
have
all
those
sections,
but
I
know,
there's
been
there's
been,
questions
come
up
about
the
use
of
of
a
preference
program,
bidding
preferences
and
the
like,
and
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
if
we
talk
about
that
here,
and
so
I
mean
carly.
You
want
to
set
the
stage
and
I
think
I
know
you
have
a
position
on
that.
We
can.
We
can
talk
it
through
and
I
I
think
well,
let's
just
go
ahead
and
start
with
that.
So
carly
set
the
stage
for
us.
B
Sure
we
there's
a
there
are
a
few
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
disparity
study
that
everyone
here
has
seen
read
in
part
or
total,
and
the
the
good
thing
about
this
committee
is
that
we
have
varying
opinions
and
I'd
like
to
be
respectful
of
all
those
varying
opinions
and
what
occurs
and-
and
I
say
that
also
because
we
are
working
with
carla
tucker
and
her
small
staff
and
trying
to
on
top
of
the
work
she
already
has.
It's
been
expanded
to
include
the
dbe
program.
B
So
there
are
the
rules,
change
at
the
federal
level
based
on
federal
dollar
contracts
that
the
county
has
and
will
receive,
and
her
office
is
preparing
to
be
able
to
manage
that
and
if
nothing
else,
when
all
these
procurement
dollars
come
in
and
the
county
gets
that
money,
then
federal
rules
apply
and
they
and
they
are
different
than
the
state
rules.
At
the
same
time,
because
they're
we
are
doing
this
work,
the
county
is
also
trying
to
make
their
work
a
little
bit
easier
by
in
some
areas.
B
If
the
state
is
doing
it,
we
can
follow
state
rules,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
reinvent
and
change
the
wheel
at
the
county
level
and
if
I'm
out
of
line,
I
think
carla
was
on
the
call
and
she
might
not
be
anymore-
I'm
not
sure,
but
it's
from
okay,
so
carla.
If
I'm
wrong
at
any
point
jump
in
so
with
that
there
are
there.
We
have
to
be
careful
as
to
how
we
talk
about
the
the
rules
and
regulations
as
it
relates
to
mw
the
alphabet
two.
It
was
minority
women
owned.
B
So
I
what
we're
trying
we're
trying
to
take
all
these
different
rules
and
if
we
can
put
them
in
the
box
and
and
things
of
that
nature
with
that
comes
some
discrepancies
and
I'm
we're
we
as
a
group
and
I'm
because
I'm
the
sub
chair,
trying
to
trying
to
to
bring
us
to
a
consensus
and
and
as
we
all
know,
let's
just
be
honest
when
we're
talking
about
subcontracting
to
the
minority
and
women
business
community
that
in
itself
can
be
contentious.
B
I
will
say
the
group
does
not
know,
but
I
will
say
this.
My
understanding
in
this
commission
in
this
group
is
that
we
work
to
not
just
together,
but
we
keep
things
within
the
group
and
while
we
may,
all
of
us
may
go
out
and
ask
our
associates
and
you
know,
colleagues,
their
opinion.
B
What
occurs
in
reference
to
documents
and
information
that
is
written
stays
within
the
group.
So
I'm
I'm
saying
that
and
if
I
have
to
go
more
specific,
I
will
I'm
saying
that,
for
the
specific
purpose
of
I
want
us
to
be
able
to
talk
about
what
our
discrepancies
are
and
we
can
be
as
frank
as
we
need
to
be
and
still
be
respectful.
B
But
I
wanted
to
stay
in
this
group
and
I'm
also
bringing
it
to
the
entire
commission
because
we
have
like
dan.
Not
only
you
know,
dan
was
doing
code
and
sustainability,
but
dan
has
the
expertise
from
the
elected
and
elected
official
position
and
he
understands
law
steve.
You
know
he's
he
comes
in
from
a
different
perspective
and
has
had
to
deal
with
contracts
from
varying
points
and
even
though
he's
not
in
our
mbe
committee,
he
still
understands
some
things.
B
So
with
that,
we
are
having
a
a
conversation
in
reference
to
preference
and
and
what
the
county
is
going
to
do
versus
what
the
state
is
already
doing,
and
in
our
subcommittee
group
there
was
email
discussions
after
I
put
out.
Even
I'm
sorry
when
we
had
our
sub
meeting
and
we
had
peta
in
the
group
because
peta
from
her
experience
in
purchasing
as
well
as
the
whole,
what
she
was
responsible
for
doing,
we
asked
her
to
join,
so
we
could
be
in
sync
with
what
she's
doing
from
the
purchasing
staffing
certification
side.
B
That
being
said,
one
of
the
issues
has
been
around
preferences
for
small
business,
and
the
state
does
have
a
small
business
preference
program.
Scott
is
very
familiar
with
it
and
has
provided
us.
Some
information
followed
up
with
an
email
regarding
that,
but
in
reference
to
what's
happening
and
how
we're
trying
to
align
and
again
carla
and
if
I'm
off
please
reel
me
back
in,
however
peter
and
his
varying
associations
are
in
total
disagreement
with
this
preference
program,
and
so
without
you
know
getting
to.
B
We
need
to
settle
this
here
in
this
commission.
I
want
to
settle
it
within
the
group.
I
don't
want
outside
organizations
getting
any
more
information
about
what
goes
on
in
this
group.
It's
one
thing
to
talk
to
them.
It's
another
thing
to
share
my
document
and
our
draft
recommendation
outside
of
this
group.
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
so
I'm
bringing
it
to
the
full
group.
I
want
us
to
be
able
to
handle
it,
and
it's
that's
the
because
we
have
this
going
on.
B
I
cannot
provide
a
a
another
document
to
the
full
body
to
bring
it
because
I'm
getting
this
so
with
that,
I
don't
know
if
peter
you
want
to
bring
it
up
or
scott
wants
to
say
something
or
sheila,
but
I
I
need
this
result
today,
so
that
I
can
provide
a
report
that
is,
we
were
supposed
to
put
to
get
it
done
a
while
ago.
So
with
that,
whoever
wants
to
take
the
floor.
A
Well,
let
me
let
me
jump
in
just
for
a
second
and
and
thank
you,
carl
for
for
giving
us
the
giving
us
the
context
a
couple
things,
and
I
would
like
to
hear
from
from
scott
and
from
peter,
like
maybe
scott,
you
could
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
the
preference
program,
so
we
have
a
general
idea
what
the
particular
aspects
of
that
are
and
then
pete.
I
still
want
to
hear
from
you.
A
I
guess
so
there
are
really
two
parts
of
it.
At
least
that
I
see,
and
if
somebody
sees
differently,
please,
please
speak
up.
A
One
is
just
the
process
for
examining
this
issue,
which
is
a
significant
issue
and
needs
to
be
sorted
out,
and
then
the
other
part
is
in
sort
of
how
that
gets
done,
so
so
that
this
very
important
committee
can
either
give
us
the
additional
language
or
if
we
can't
get
the
additional
language
that
gets
to
part
two
of
what
I'm
looking
at
here,
which
is
what
do
we
do
when
we
can't
get
a
when
we
can't
get
a
consensus,
and
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
looked
at
the
executive
order.
A
Again,
just
to
be
sure
we
were
covering
everything
in
our
charge
and
what
our
responsibilities
were
and
the
the
commission
is
supposed
to
I'm
looking
at
section
four
formulate
recommendations
and
so
for
streamlining
improvement,
functions
and
outcomes
and,
and
then
with
respect
to
this
particular
issue.
A
I
take
from
that
that
what
would
be
helpful
to
the
county
is
a
set
of
recommendations
across
the
board
for
all
the
subcommittees
that
reflect
a
consensus
and
a
considered
agreement
of
this
commission,
where
the
whole
commission
can't
agree
there
there
are.
There
may
be
some
things
that
we
cannot
agree
on.
I
don't
think,
but
I'd
really
like
to
hear
from
everybody
on
this
process
piece,
I
don't
think
it
is,
is
helpful
or
expected
that
we
will
on
particular
issues
instead
of
having
something
we
say
the
you
know.
A
This
is
the
commission's
recommendation
about
this
issue.
Instead,
we
have
something
like
a
supreme
court
plurality
opinion.
So
there
are
10
of
us,
so
four
people
agree
on
one
on
sort
of
one
doing
it
one
way.
Three
people
want
to
do
it
a
slightly
different
way
and
only
only
greater
parts
of
things.
The
first
four
do
and
then
the
last
three
are
opposed
to
it,
just
obviously
making
up
the
numbers,
because
I
don't
think
that's
helpful.
A
I
do
think
we
can
say-
and
I
expect
there
are
going
to
be
a
number
of
things
where
we
say
you
know
what
you
could
you.
Someone
could
have
a
commission
appointed
to
just
study
this
one
thing
and
spend
a
year
and
pay
everybody
full
time
to
do
it.
All
we
can
do
is
point
out
what
we've
been
able
to
point
out.
There
are
other
things
that
deserve
further
study,
or
we
would
say
that
the
commission,
the
subcommittee
considered
this
issue.
The
commission
discussed
it
well,
we
were
unable
to
reach
a
consensus.
A
We
think
it's
worth
looking
at.
We
can
even
put
the
differing
viewpoints
in
without
attributing
them
to
any
particular
one
say
these
are
the
kinds
of
issues
and
then
the
county
can
decide
if
it
wants
to
how
it
wants
to
do
that,
but
as
a
fundamental
piece
and
maybe
we're
all
agreed
and
if
so
great
enough.
Now,
let's
talk
about
it,
but
I
think
the
idea
is
our
recommendation
should
be
recommendations
that
the
entire
commission
adopts
and
says.
Yes,
these
these
are
by
consensus.
These
are
our
these
are.
A
These
are
the
commission's
recommendations,
the
other
things
that
we
can't
agree
on.
We
just
can't
agree
on.
They
can
get
treated
in
an
appendix
that.
We
think
it's
appropriate
mentioned
elsewhere,
but
not
but
aren't
the
recommendations,
because
I
think
we
were
we've
been
asked
to
formulate
recommendations
that
will
have
an
effect
and
offering
up
something.
That's
a
little
more
piecemeal.
A
I
don't
think
is
consistent
with
our
mission,
but
I'm
I'm
just
I'm
just
one
voice
and
I
just
got
to
go
first.
So
if
anybody
else
has
some
other
other
thoughts
on
that
and.
B
That
into
that
caveat
I
do
remember.
B
I
think
dan
told
me
that
it
was
either
dan
or
peter
said
that
there
was
something
that
dan
wanted,
but
because
it
didn't
align
his
descent
or
his
comment
is
in
an
appendices
and
I'm
and
I'm
for
the
descent
opinions
to
be
in
appendices,
but
we
can't
get
there
yet
and
so
that
so
I'm
just
to
let
you
know,
I
do
want
us
to
have
this
discussion,
I'm
for
descending
official
opinions
being
included,
but
we
aren't
even
there
yet
so
with
that,
I'm
I'm
going
to
let
scott
take
it
for
unless
carly
you
need
to.
A
C
So
so
this
whole
conversation
stemmed
around
a
small
business
preferences,
in
other
words,
very
clearly
providing
additional
points
in
procurement
score
for
small
businesses
right,
so
you
know
break
it
down.
The
procurement
score
is
a
hundred
and
if
you're
a
small
business,
you
get
a
preference
points
of
let's
say
five
or
ten
on
that
hundred
score.
C
The
state
has
implemented
this
program
at
the
state
level,
and
that's
what
I
you
know
we
we
discussed,
because
I
think
there
was
some
discussion
that
that
that
no
one
was
doing
it.
That
was
part
of
the
discussion
and
it's
actually
under
komar
under
the
small
business
program
and
section
is
211.0105..
C
I
did
share
that
with
the
committee,
so
without
getting
into
a
great
level
of
detail.
Still,
that's
really
what
what
this
turned
on.
C
And
once
again,
you
say
consensus,
I
think
most
of
the
members
of
the
subcommittee
were
of
the
opinion
that
the
that
we
should
follow
through
with
the
recommendation
that
what
is
being
done
at
the
state
level
should
also
be
done
here
in
the
county
and,
needless
to
say,
we
do
have
a
descent
on
the
subcommittee.
C
Perhaps
we
should
go
back
and
have
yet
one
more
discussion
in
the
subcommittee
as
part
of
our
recommendations
and
give
you,
as
our
chair
and
the
rest
of
the
committee,
our
recommendation
on
how
this
should
be
cited
in
the
report.
A
A
A
I
think
it's
a
sensible
part
of
the
process,
but
I
do.
I
would
like
the
subcommittee
to
go
back
and
have
a
further
discussion,
but
I
think
to
put
in
context
too
and
that's
what
I'd
ask
you
all
to
please
do
and
then
let
us
know
what
your
recommendations
are,
but
pete
do
you
want
to.
You
want
to
address
the
sort
of
the
the
merits
of
it.
A
What
the
from
from
your
experience,
what
the
issues
are
facing,
some
of
some
of
the
contractor
community
about
the
use
of
preferences
has
been
described
here.
L
Yeah
I
do,
I
think
we
have
to
be
clear,
that
we
bid
on
faith
all
these
all
those
agencies
we
did
with
and
peter.
L
We
do
bid
with
a
lot
of
these
especially
state
highway,
and
they
have
been
reluctant
to
put
out
big
preferences
where
someone
gets
a
five
percent
bid
preference
because
it's
going
to
cost
more
money,
it's
not
fair
to
the
taxpayers
either.
So
we
don't
see
that.
L
But
what
the
state
has
done
is
institute
small
business
set-aside
programs
where
they
can
bid
on
their
project
on
the
projects
themselves
without
having
any
bid
preferences
where
large
contractors
are
not
eligible
to
bid
on
those
projects,
and
we
have
no
problem
with
that,
but
also,
if
we're
going
to
discuss
the
law
and
how
that
how
that
works,
I
think
we
need
to
have
an
attorney.
Give
us
an
opinion
of
really
is
the
county
allowed
to
to
just
have
a
small
business
preference.
L
L
We
feel
it's
on
us
contractors
feel
it's
unfair
and
if
we're
going
to
insist
on
making
this
type
of
recommendation,
then
we
I
think
we
have
to
like
we've
done
with
other
with
other
people
and
have
experts
come
in
and
talk
about
it
and
all
those
and
the
different
different
contracting
organizations.
Their
executive
directors
would
love
to
talk
to
this
organization
or
this
committee
about
the
the
bid
preference
program
how
that
works.
L
So
just
to
let
you
know,
we've
been
in
baltimore
county
on
a
lot
of
projects
as
well.
Half
of
our
employees
work
and
live
in
baltimore
county,
and
if
we
are
harmed
by
that
five
percent,
business
preference,
sometimes
on
a
10
million
dollar
job,
I
could
be
low
by
5
000
dollars,
but
the
the
employees
of
our
company
will
not
be
able
to
work
on
those
projects
and
half
of
them
are
baltimore
county.
L
L
Like
I
said,
if
we're
going
to
continue
to
discuss
this,
my
my
views
and
the
views
of
the
contracting
community
are,
as
I
have
laid
out
in
that
letter.
So
I
that's,
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say,
but
we
think
it's
completely
wrong.
I
That's
why
a
lot
of
companies
didn't
do
business
with
bulma
county,
because
one
in
the
disparity
study,
it
was
very
clear
that
african-american
companies
in
particular,
were
the
the
least
in
getting
business
to
even
some
of
the
companies
who
are
prime
contractors
didn't
do
business
with
baltimore
county
because
there
was
a
lot
of
bias.
I
But
my
point
is
what
I
said
to
them
was:
follow
the
the
the
various
drafts
we're
going
to
be
having
public
meetings
where
you
can
come
on
and
testify
even
architectural
engineering
firms
that
I
recommend
I
said
you
know,
send
in
your
testimony
about
procurement
with
baltimore
county
blah,
blah
blah
during
the
process.
I
I
I
think
the
issue
with
palm
city
is
that,
because
of
the
inconsistency
over
the
last
x
amount
of
years,
I
think
it
was
introduced
under
the
browns
blake
administration,
helen
holton,
I'm
not
sure
what
what
what
has
happened.
Things
are
just
kind
of
chaotic,
but
I
know
they
do
have
it.
It
was
done
by
the
council,
but
those
were
the
opportunity,
in
my
opinion,
to
have
presented
their
positions
to
the
board
on
various
things
that
we
have
been
discussing.
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
pete's
business.
He
does
business
in
bulma
county
somebody
who's
doing
a
majority
of
business
in
baltimore
county.
How
can
they
be
as
objective
on
something
like
this
when
it's
going
to
have
an
impact
versus
someone
who
is
subjected
to
you
know
being.
I
Kind
of
being
on
the
outside,
looking
in
or
listening
to
various
feedback
on
on
this
commission,
so
so
to
some
degree
it's
somewhat
and
I've,
and
I
thought
this
from
the
very
beginning
I
could
see
where
in
some
ways
his
input
for
his
company
is
sort
of
like
a
conflict,
because
I'm
just
let
me
finish
because
she
does
business
directly
with
the
county.
So
I
could
see
why
his
company
would
be
and
opposed
to
it.
I
mean
I
have
a
relationship
with
abc.
We
have
a
partnership
mmca.
I
I
did
reach
out
to
michael
henderson
in
reference
to
some
of
the
recommendations
on
this,
and
I
was
waiting
for
his
feedback
on
it.
But
I
guess
the
bottom
line
is
for
each
of
our
various
subcommittee.
Before
we
bring
it
to
the
larger
group.
I
I
And
yes,
there
are
whole
bunch
of
issues
on
this
recommendation
that
palmer
county
law
department
is
going
to
have
to
review.
Just
like
with
the
wage
issue
and
holding
folks
accountable
for
making
sure
that
the
meeting
those
wage
commission
I
mean
meeting
those
amounts
as
well
as
the
way
that
they
operate,
which
jermaine
was
trying
to
touch
on.
So
I
just
you
know
wanted
to
say
that,
in
addition
to.
L
C
So
so
peter
and
and
madame
madame,
let
me
provide
some
additional
clarification
on
this
peter
and
perhaps
the
your
your,
the
you
know,
the
interest
that
you
represented.
All
of
us
bring
our
interest
to
the
table,
our
backgrounds
and
our
knowledge
right.
That's
why
we're
all
here,
but
in
terms
of
this
idea
of
a
small
business
preference,
as
I
shared
in
the
meeting
the
way
the
state
is
implemented,
it
is
they're
using
it
as
another
tool.
C
These
are
additional
tools
that
can
be
used
to
create
or
provide
more
equity
and
procurement
in
baltimore
county,
and
that
was
the
point
when
it
was
raised
in
in
our
committee.
I
tried
to
stress
this.
We
are
looking
for
tools
and
one
of
our
this
is
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
right,
we're
supposed
to
be
making
recommendations
in
procurement
and
providing
the
county
with
recommendations
on
tools
that
will
meet
the
objectives
that
they
set
out
for
us
and
and
establishing
the
commission,
and
in
my
opinion
I
stated
this
in
the
in
the
committee.
C
This
is
just
an
additional
tool.
It
is
not
one
that
is
going
to
change
procurement
for
every
contract
or
procurement
opportunity
or
bid
that
comes
out.
These
are
selected
and
that's
how
the
state
is
applying
it
today,
and
that
would
be
an
opportunity
for
the
county
to
do
the
same
thing.
That's.
L
All
that's
fine.
You
look
as
a
tool.
We
look
as
a
possible
system
of
abuse
because
you
could
use
that
tool
and
use
it
on
every
contract
in
baltimore
county.
If
you
wanted
and
we
don't
feel
the
tool
that
tool
applies
to
the
counties.
L
Okay,
it's
there's
four
agencies
that
are
that
have
been
permitted
to
use
that
tool,
not
baltimore
county.
Okay,
and
I
don't
know
why
we
want
to
recreate
and
reinterpret
the
law
and
in
the
organ
we
have
attorneys
that
represent
each
of
the
different
organizations
that
I
mentioned,
and
they
are
of
the
opinion
that
that
those
the
county
should
not
be
think
that
they
can
use
that
tool
for
their
own
purposes.
A
Well,
on
that,
on
that
piece
and
steve
I'll,
get
you
one
second,
on
on
that
piece
pete,
I
would,
I
think,
there's
a
fundamental
question,
just
as
there
is
for
the
state
whether
any
governmental
entity
can
have
such
a
preference
program.
My
experience
you
can,
I
think
the
comar
provision
only
applies
to
the
state.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
regulate
the
county
the
county
is
free
to
adopt
to
lawfully
adopt.
I
guess
I
should
say
any
program
that
it
thinks
will
help
it
do
anything
procurement
or
otherwise.
A
So
I
I
don't
think
the
fact
that
the
state
says
there
are
four
state
agencies
will
allow
to
use
this.
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
the
state
procurement
law.
There
are
certain
agencies
that
the
board
of
public
works
is
vested
with
authority
to
conduct
their
own
procurements
up
to
a
certain
level
or
for
certain
kind
of
certain
kind
of
work.
A
So
I
think,
as
a
general
man
of
the
county,
if
it
wish
to
would
be
free
to
adopt
the
the
this
tool,
as
as
scott
describes
it,
whether
whether
this
commission
recommends
this
particular
tool
be
done
or
that
it
be
considered
as
a
tool
or
whatever
else.
I
think
we
ought
to
wait.
The
subcommittee
ought
to
go
back
and
see
if
it
can
come
up
with
a
recommendation
of
the
full
commission
but
steve.
I
wanted
to
hear
from
you
yet
your
hand
up.
J
I
don't
think
that
or
anything
we
cannot
come
to
consensus
on
could
certainly
be
mentioned,
and
this
is
where
the
the
language
of
the
of
the
documents
important
facts
can
be
mentioned
right,
and
it
certainly
could
be
mentioned
that
that
that
the
committee
where,
while
there's
majority
consensus,
there
is
some
dissent
to
it
not
necessarily
be
specific.
We
don't
even
need
to
be
specific
about
that
other
than
just
referencing.
J
The
fact
that
the
state
might
be
doing
something
or
it
might
have
the
set-aside
program
and
there's
you
know,
debate
about
what
should
happen
in
the
future
and
the
county
should
look
at
it
again,
so
just
sort
of
end
it
there.
I
I
don't
think
this
commission
has
enough
time
to
deal
with
an
issue.
That's
as
as
important
as
that.
So
my
opinion,
you
know.
L
And
I
really
feel
we're
going
to
delve
into
this
issue.
We
need
to
bring
in
these
different
trade
associated
different
associations.
Let
them
give
their
opinion
as
to
why
this
is
not
how
they
feel
about
it.
L
When
we
did
have
the
different,
we
did
have
the
public
input,
but
that
was
after
the
interim
report
already
did
not
have
that
as
part
of
their
recommendation.
There
was
no
reason
for
anyone
to
get
concerned
that
that
was
going
to
be
a
problem
in
baltimore
county
so
and
also
the
residents
of
baltimore
county
survey.
They
were
never
asked
whether
they
would
like
to
see
a
preference
program.
So
you
know
at
this
point
we
have
to.
L
If
we're
going,
to
look
at
this
and
put
something
like
this
and
we
we
have
to
do
a
complete,
full
review
again
and
see
if
the
residents
of
baltimore
county
favor
this
type
of
thing,
knowing
that
their
taxes
will
be
impacted
by
that
five
percent
bidding,
because
someone's
got
to
pay
for
it.
When
you
get
a
low
price,
and
then
you
give
it
to
someone
that
has
a
five
percent
higher
price.
There's
a
there's.
F
L
A
Just
a
section
peter,
I
would
say
on
the
survey:
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
a
survey
designed
that
other
than
going
to
procurement
professionals
or
tax
experts,
people
who
would
understand
exactly
what
this,
what
this
means
in
any
sort
of
meaningful
way.
A
I
mean
the
the
survey
was
the
survey
is
more,
do
you
do
business
with
baltimore
county
and
if
you
do
how's
it
going
and
if
you
don't,
why
don't
you
I,
but
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
input
and
my
I
think,
a
lot
of
recommendations
we
make
here
that
are
going
to
have
an
impact
on
taxpayers
and
lots
of
people.
I
mean
that's
just
that's
just
that's
that's
just
the
way
it
is
we're
making
recommendations.
A
Obviously
the
county
is
going
to
have
to
decide
whether
it
wants
to
adopt
them
or
not.
I
just
want
to
be
sure
we
stay
on
our
on
our
mission
to
to
run
this
particular
issue
to
ground,
and
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
way
to
get
a
general
agreement
about
it
coming
out
of
the
subcommittee
to
recommended
the
commission.
A
But
I
would
like
the
subcommittee
to
try
and
if
there
are
people
repeat
from
from
the
contracting
association
sheila
scott
carla,
if
there
are
have
them
into
the
subcommittee,
if
we
need
to
we'll,
have
a
we'll
have
a
meeting
of
the
commission
or
those
commissioners
who
are
able
to
all
consistent
with
the
public
meetings
act
of
able
to
get
together
to
hear,
hear
it
out
or
if
they
want
to
submit
something
in
writing.
A
And
then
we
can
see
if
we're
able
to
reach
a
consensus
on
it,
because
it's
obviously
it's
an
issue
and
scott's
absolutely
right.
It's.
It
is
a
potential
tool
to
be
used
out
there.
A
I
don't
know
anything
about
it
is
per
se
illegal,
but
that
would
have
the
program
would
have
to
be
designed
and
looked
at
and
figured
out,
but
on
the
consensus
piece.
I'd
like
the
subcommittee
to
take
another
run
at
it
and
let
us
know,
let
me
know
where
you
stand
and
then
we
can
decide
if
we
want
to
have
hear
from
a
bunch
of
folks
coming
in
from
outside,
which
is
fine,
I
think
with
the
rest
of
us
and
make
a
decision
on
it
or
not,
and
I
so
you
had
a
fight.
A
K
I
just
wanted
to
ask
everyone
to
please
review
chapter
three
of
the
disparity
study,
where
it
talks
about
the
utilization
of
prime
contractors
and
the
the
huge
disparity
there.
So
that's
what
we
are
trying
to
address.
I
just
want
to
ask
everyone
to.
Please
read
that
so
when
we
come
to
the
subcommittee
meeting
that
can
be
discussed
with
some
background
knowledge
as
to
why
we
were
looking
at
that
model.
Thank
you.
A
Understood,
thank
you
so
subcommittee,
chair
chambers.
Can
you
gather
the
troops.
L
Let's
say
I'm
out
of
the
country
beginning
saturday
for
a
week.
L
Yeah-
and
let
me
just
I
don't
think
we
have
to
waste
a
lot
of
time
with
this,
because
my
position
is
not
going
to
change
from
the
letter
that
I
wrote.
Okay,
so
I
you
know
it
is
what
it
is.
A
Well
I'll
tell
you
what
what
what
I
would
like
to
see
and
I'm
a
lawyer.
So
I
I
pete,
if
you
have,
if
there's
something
from
counsel
for
one
of
these
one
of
these
groups
or
if
they
want
to
provide
a
position
paper,
and
I
I
think
he
did
you
know,
I
think
he
certainly
did
a
job
of
outlining
the
points.
A
But
if
there's
any
more
meet
on
those
bones
in
particular
that
someone
else
from
one
of
the
organizations
or
on
behalf
of
the
organizations
wants
to
share
that
would
be
helpful
to
have
and
if
they
could
share
that
in
in
your
absence
that
would
be.
That
would
be
great
and
then
I
would
ask
the
subcommittee
to
take
a
look
at
that.
A
I
I
hear
about
the
timeline
we'll
work
on
the
rest
of
the
report
and
we'll
you
know
this
will
be
one
of
those
things
we'll
have
to
have
a
cut
off
at
some
point.
But
let's
see
if
we
can't
run
this
to
ground,
maybe
we
can
and
then
let's
just
decide,
then
the
drafting
would
be
and
we'll
decide
if
we
want
to
do
it
in
an
appendix
or
whether
we
don't
see
anything
at
all,
but
this
this
isn't.
A
I
Go
ahead,
I'll
go
with
pete
out
of
the
country,
I
don't
know
where
he's
going
and
discuss
it
out
of
the
country.
A
B
Okay,
so
with
that
phil,
when
do
we
need
to
get
this
report
to
you
now,
since
we
are
passed
so
that,
because,
if
peter's
not
going
to
move
off
of
his
position-
and
I
I
respect-
and
I
kind
of
figured
that's
where
it
was
going
to
go
at
the
same
time
we're
trying
to
address
something
that
was
brought
up
in
the
disparity
study
and
carla
and
her
team,
you
know
and
her
team,
I'm
sure
she's
passed
this
up
the
chain
or
what
have
you
they're,
trying
to
find
ways
to
remedy
this?
B
Excuse
me,
I'm
not
sure.
If
we
need
to
have
another
meeting,
I
welcome
a
organizational
council
position
on
how
they
feel
it
will
adversely
affect
them
from
peter's
side.
B
I
would
ask
the
same
from
the
the
business
organizations
that
sheila
represents
so
that
we
have
have
it
from
both
sides
and
that
way
when
we
have
basically
all
the
data
so
that
when
the
county's
lawyers
look
at
this
and
and
they're
looking
at
this
recommendation,
we
have
it
from
all
sides
we're
getting
a
full
view
picture,
and
it
may
just
have
to
be
that
that
that
that
whole
preference
is
an
asterisk
in
and
of
itself,
so
that
we
here's
the
asterisk
here's
here's
the
reason
why
we
can't
come
to
a
consensus,
but
the
commission
consensus.
B
The
commission
has
come
to
the
consensus
of
here's
the
data
y'all
figure,
it
figure
it
out,
but
you
know
I
think,
if
we
can
do
that,
if
I
can
get
a
letter
from
peter's
lawyer
organizations
and
sheila's
lawyer
organizations,
and
we
can
wrap
that
up
that
way,
I'm
I'm
good.
My
think
my
concern
number
one
is
we
don't
share
recommendations,
written
recommendations
outside
of
this.
This
committee
number
two,
please
be
careful
how
we
address
our
discontent
because
we
have
not
just
commissioners
on
this
group.
B
We
have
county
employees
that
do
this
work
every
day
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
all
human
and
we
have
to
we.
We
work
elizabeth
and
jasmine
and
carla
and
to
some
extent,
of
course,
beth
is
on
this.
You
know,
but
we
work
them.
You
know
to
the
nth
degree
and
they
are
still
human
and
I'm
very
sensitive
of
how
we
couch
things
that
can
make
any
of
them
feel.
B
So
I'm
asking
I'm
being
I'm
cloaking
it
on
purpose
that
we
just
you
know,
have
to
understand
that
some
of
the
things
that
we
say
causes
a
reaction
to
the
very
people
who
are
trying
to
just
do
their
job
and
let's
just
be
sensitive
to
these
county
employees
that
we
are
working
with
and
we're
trying
to
make
their
lives
better
and
certain
certain
things
we
just
kind.
L
L
Get
up
one
more
common
concern:
the
mbe
disparity
study,
if
I
remember
the
that
disparity
study
was
done
way
before
also
the
cabinets
made
significant
changes.
Okay,
so
some
of
those
recommendations
were
done
before
the
changes.
Actually
the
change
got
made
and
then
this
disparity
study
came
out.
L
So
a
lot
of
that
was
already
addressed
and
if
I
remember
the
biggest
thing
in
the
disparity
study
was
that
the
female
female
contractors
or
whatever
or
firms,
were
the
ones
that
seemed
to
have
that's
where
disparity
was
not
all
minority
contractors
were
basically
the
females.
I
A
Here's
here's
the
first
thing
guys
hang
on
one.
Second,
here's
the
thing
not
in
the
cabinet's
administration.
We've
got
a
disparity
study.
We
can
anybody,
go
back
and
compare
the
two
and
see
where
we
are.
Let's
deal
with
what
we
have
here
now,
I
think
we
should
agree
that
other
than
those
on
the
commission
that
our
draft
recommendations
back
and
forth
stay
within
the
commission,
and
I
think
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
A
A
Wants
to
go
back
and
have
another
conversation
great,
but
I
would
say
for
those
who
are
going
to
ask
outsiders
to
you,
know
these
stakeholders,
if
you
will
who
are
not
part
of
the
commission,
to
provide
something
about
small
business
preferences,
we
need
it.
We
need
it
quickly.
I
mean
I'd
like
to
have
it
by
the
end
of
next
week,
which
is
beyond
the
21st
piece,
but
we'll
get
that
rolling
plenty
of
other
things
to
work
on
with
this
report,
and
this
we
can
plug
in
as
we
as
we
go
along.
A
B
Okay,
so
you
want
it
next
friday,
everything
in
so,
if
that,
if
you
want
to
fill
by
friday
friday
can
I
I
would
like
to
ask
to
receive
it
by
thursday
and
then
I
can
wrap
it
up
and
get
it
to
you
phil.
I
guess
that
means
cece
and
elizabeth
and
jasmine.
A
A
I
think
those
should
be
submitted
and
provided
provided
to
you,
carla,
yes
by
next
friday,
all
right,
okay,
that
is
that
is,
if
I
don't
know
my
account
in
front
of
me,
but
I
believe
that's
the
day
after
we
will
have
the
next
iteration
this
draft
report,
but
I
don't
want
to
hold
that.
I
don't
want
to
hold
the.
I
don't
hold
that
up,
so
we're
going
to
get
the
next
iteration
of
draft
report
out.
What
I
would
say
is,
after
you
have
all
that
information.
A
The
subcommittee
ought
to
meet
and
look
at
that
and
see.
If
that
changes
anybody's
mind,
moves
the
ball
down.
The
road
suggests
that
maybe
it
is
an
issue
whatever
you
all
decide
and
then
come
back
on
the
28th
at
the
next
committee
meeting
commission
meeting
and
let's
either
say:
we've
got,
we
see
we
reach
the
consensus.
A
We
don't
have
a
consensus
and
if
we
don't
have
a
consensus,
then
let's
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
handle
that
okay,
but
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
no,
no
next
version,
all
right,
but
I
think,
let's,
today's
thursday,
it's
almost
the
closer
business
thursday,
I'd
like
to
give
all
these
outside
organizations
who
wish
to
speak
up
to.
I
think
a
week
is
a
fair
amount
of
time.
A
A
Okay,
the
the
last
item
I
think
we've
actually
covered,
which
is
just
the
logistics
and
timing
for
revision
of
the
discussion
draft
and
review
and
comment
upon
the
next
draft.
So
any
any
redline
comments.
I
think
this
was
when
I
was
dealing
with
my
technical
difficulties
if
you
will,
but
I
think
there
was
a
conversation,
did
anybody
set
a
sort
of
a
deadline
for
redline
edits
to
to
this?
A
But
it
would
be
because
the
next
document
will
be
will
be
so
in
order
to
jasmine
in
order
to
collect
redline
the
redlined
revisions
to
the
draft
discussion
document
and
then
marry
those
up.
If
you
will
to
the
interim
report
where
those
sections
haven't
changed,
how
much
time
do
we
need
to
do
that.
H
A
We
had
con
if
we
had
redline
comments
to
jasmine
elizabeth
by
close
of
business
on
tuesday
is.
It
is
two
days
enough
time
to
turn
around
turn
those
around
put
them
in.
G
Line
for
the
this
coming
monday,
no,
I
think
further
out
is
only
easier
because
of
some
other
deadlines.
We
have
around
some
projects
that
have
a
different
time,
sensitivity,
let's
go
with
tuesday,
and
at
least
it
gives
us
two,
so
you
want
us
to
just
know,
distribute
on
friday.
It
gives
us
two
solid
days
to
do
it.
So
that's
yes,
tuesday's
fine!
Better
than
monday,
actually.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
redline
comments,
revisions,
edits.
Somebody
sees
a
typo
comments,
questions
in
the
margin
and
taking
this
word
document
name,
send
them
to
send
them
to
elizabeth
and
jasmine
and
and
please
copy
me
whatsapp
was
in
by
tuesday
I'll,
send
I'll
send
an
email
for
those
commissions
forever
for
all
of
us
here
to
remind
us,
but
also
for
the
pete.
F
A
Here
and
jermaine's
not
on
the
call
either
so
we'll
have
that
tuesday
deadline,
then
we'll
look
for
something
on
thursday.
That
will
be
the
next.
That
will
be
the
document
we
discuss
on
the
on
the
28th
and
then
we'll
also
get
a
report
on
the
28th
on
the
procurement,
and
I
think
from
what
I
understood
from
jasmine's
comments.
We'll
have
the
procurement
survey
results
in
the
next
day
or
so
I'm
hoping
we'll
have
the
efficiency
study.
A
So
we
can
nail
down
the
fleet
management,
property
management
piece
from
the
efficiency
study,
so
we
can
have
that
discussed
on
the
28th
and
then
we
can
talk
about
the
next
round
of
edits
and
then
also
see
where
we
stand
on
the
on
the
small
business
preference.
E
A
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
all
right,
everybody
is
there
anything
else
for
the
go
to
the
order.
Anything
questions
concerns
comments,
anything
else
that
discuss
as
a
group
all
right.
Well,
I
thank
everybody
again
for
their
efforts.
A
It
is
a
little
hard
to
believe
we
are
six
weeks
away
six
weeks
away
from
the
end
of
our
the
end
of
our
tenure
term,
but
we
will,
I
think,
we're
gonna
have
a
really
good
final
report
and,
as
I
think
I
say,
every
time,
it's
a
it's
a
privilege
to
serve
with
all
of
you
and
dan,
and
I
were
emailing,
and
I
think
I've
made
this
comment
to
others.
I,
even
if
we
never
meet
officially
and
formally
as
a
commission,
I
it
is
absolutely
on
my.
A
My
responsibilities
is
chair
to
gather
all
of
us,
at
least
in
some
social
setting,
to
celebrate
the
completion
of
the
final
report
and
our
in
our
service.
So
with
that,
unless
there's
anything
else,
we'll
sign
off
great
to
see
everybody
we'll
see
each
other
on
the
28th
and
be
looking
forward
to
information,
communications
and
the
like
between
now
and
then
thanks.