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A
We'll
start
with
a
roll
call
to
account
for
the
members
of
the
panel
present
on
the
call.
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
unmute
and
say
I
Raj
Sharma,.
B
A
C
Sorry
James
Stevens
here:
okay
James,
can
you
hear
us
James.
A
A
Yeah,
so
we
will
we'll
Circle
back
and
just
make
sure
that
both
James
and
Kelly
are
on
the
call
before
we
start
getting
into
probably
the
first
presentation.
Hopefully.
A
Perfect,
okay,
so
so
I
will
pause
right
now
and
just
say
James.
If
you
can
hear
us,
can
you
unmute
and
say
I.
A
Okay,
I
I
can
hear
you
Kelly
if
you're
here
now
and
can
say
I
just
to
complete
the
Roll
Call.
A
Okay?
Well,
we
might
have
to
Circle
back
on
that,
but
in
any
event,
I'll
just
move
on
to
review
today's
agenda.
Marta.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
tentative
agenda
as
published?
No.
A
Thank
you.
Okay.
In
the
August
25th
email
you
received
draft
minutes
of
the
July
13th
2022
meeting.
Has
every
pan
of
DRP
member
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
minutes
and
are
there
any
corrections
or
additions
to
the
minutes
and,
if
not,
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
as
circulated.
E
A
So
the
the
motion
carries
and
now
we'll
move
on
to
the
opening
statement,
and
this
is
a
little
bit
lengthy,
but
I'll
I'll
read
it
out
loud
and
just
pay
attention
for
those
who
are
joining
us,
maybe
for
the
first
time
this
is
relevant
to
understand
what
is
in
our
purview
to
review
and
what
is
not
so
title
for
subtitle
two
part.
One
sections
32-4-203
and
32-4-204
established
the
design
review
panel,
known
as
the
DRP.
A
The
DRP
was
established
to
encourage
design
excellence
and
shall
act
in
a
Consulting
and
advisory
capacity
to
the
agencies
involved
in
the
process
for
reviewing
development
plans.
The
objectives
for
the
dop's
assessment
includes
spatial
Visual
and
functional
relationships
to
the
topography,
the
natural
and
built
features
of
the
site,
as
well
as
surrounding
features
of
the
site.
Visual
and
functional
integration
of
streetscapes,
pedestrian,
Pathways
playgrounds,
recreational
amenities,
streets
that
streets
and
sidewalks
are
laid
out
in
a
safe
and
convenient
Manner
and
parking
is
a
positive
design
element.
A
The
DRP
utilizes
the
guidelines,
plans
and
Architectural
principles
and
the
comprehensive
Manual
of
development
policies
and
or
master
plan,
as
well
as
other
guidelines
and
regulations
adopted
into
law.
Certain
areas
of
the
county
are
designated
by
the
County
Council
to
re
require
review
by
the
DRP.
The
panel
will
provide
a
technical
review
of
the
proposed
project
issues
relative
to
zoning
setback,
relief,
environmental
and
storm
water
management
and
traffic
regulations
do
not
fall
under
the
purview
of
the
DRP
and
are
regulated
through
the
appropriate
agencies
responsible
for
those
aspects
of
the
development
plan
review
process.
A
The
panel
consists
of
nine
members
all
are
professionals
with
practical
knowledge
in
the
matters
of
design.
For
the
purpose
of
making
recommendations
on
a
particular
project,
three
members
shall
constitute
a
quorum.
The
attendance
and
comments
of
each
member
shall
be
recorded
in
the
minutes,
which
shall
be
an
open
record
and
available
along
with
all
documents
submitted
to
the
panel
for
inspection
and
copying
by
the
public.
There
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
offer
comments
and
suggestions
at
the
conclusion
of
the
applicant's
presentation.
A
These
comments
will
also
be
included
in
the
written
record
of
the
meeting
when
a
speaker
is
called
up
to
speak.
Please
keep
comments
focused
on
the
design
perspectives
within
your
allotted
two
minute
time.
If
you're
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
community
group,
however,
you
will
get
five
minutes
at
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting.
The
department
of
planning
will
sum
up.
The
recommendations
of
the
panel
before
a
motion
per
vote
is
suggested.
Recent
legislation
has
changed
the
panel's
recommendations
to
the
advisory
on
the
hearing
officer
and
the
various
County
agencies.
A
So
that
is
the
end
of
the
of
those
minute
of
the
opening
statement
and
now
we'll
move
on
to
to
the
items
for
initial
or
continued
discussion.
A
F
F
F
We
made
some
changes
to
the
presentation
and
in
the
interest
of
time,
I
can
be
happy
to
run
through
what
the
changes
are
and
then
we
can
open
up
to
questions
and
more
conversation.
If
you'd
like.
C
Yes,
this
is
your
presentation.
Can
you
see
my
presentation.
F
C
C
Yes,
let
me
try
to
text
us
if
you
can
start
and
I
will
try
to
fax
it
very
quickly.
B
F
F
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
not
having
any
parking
in
front
of
the
building
and
having
it
all
on
the
rear
and
the
sides
we've
gone
back
and
Revisited
that
we
feel
really
strongly
that
we
have
to
have
at
least
some
parking
in
the
front
to
support
the
office
and
Retail
uses
that
we're
proposing
so
to
try
and
address
that
we've
and
you'll
see
on
the
plan.
Here
we
are
proposing
some
angled
parking
in
the
front
to
try
and
downplay
the
dominance
of
the
cars.
F
We've
had
conversations
with
members
of
the
plan
department
and
others,
and
in
trying
to
come
up
with
a
solution
that
kind
of
works
for
everybody
here,
so
we'll
show
that
in
a
minute,
we've
also
at
the
request
of
the
designer
view
panel
added
some
safety
fencing
around
the
stormwater
Management
Facility
behind
the
building.
F
If
that
was
a
good
comment,
so
we've
added
that,
and
there
was
also
request
to
add
additional
Landscaping
in
front
of
the
building
adjacent
to
Bel,
Air
Road.
So
we've
added
a
second
row
of
shrubs
both
on
the
inside
and
on
the
outside
of
the
the
landscape
and
stormwater
management
area
at
the
front
of
the
property.
C
Sorry
I'm,
trying
to
again
to
upload
the
drawing,
looks
like
there
are
some
technical
glitches
right
now.
G
Let
me,
let
me
add
in
here
Matt
if
I
might
Tim
catroko
here
Madam
chair
good
evening
and
members
of
the
panel,
while
we're
working
through
those
technical
difficulties.
G
Let
me
add
the
reason
for
Pat
Keller
being
here
with
us
this
evening,
Madam
chair
at
the
last
at
the
conclusion
of
the
last
meeting,
we
went
back
through
our
redesign
of
the
property
pursuant
to
the
suggestions
made
by
the
design
review
panel,
and
one
of
the
requests
was
that
we
meet
with
the
Perry
Hall
Improvement
Association
and
the
president
Mr
Pat
Keller,
and
we
did
that
and
Mr
Keller
had
some
suggestions
and
some
ideas
as
well.
G
We
worked
our
reworked
our
plan,
the
plan
that
Mr
Bishop
is
going
to
discuss
with
you
here
shortly
once
we
were
able
to
pull
it
up
on
the
screen
and
had
Mr
Keller
take
a
look
at
it
on
behalf
of
the
Perry
Hall
Improvement
Association
and
Mr
Keller.
You
mentioned
earlier
that
you
might
have
a
couple
of
words
that
you
might
want
to
say
they
gave
you
a
full
five
minutes.
G
You
don't
necessarily
have
to
have
all
five
Pat,
but
if
you
wanted
to
basically
just
give
your
input
or
opinion
in
on
the
plan
that's
being
presented,
we
would
appreciate
that.
A
I'm
sorry,
but
we
need
to
wait
until
the
presenter
is
finished
to
incorporate
those
those
comments
from
the
public
which
which
Pat
would
be
part
of
in
this
in
this
hearing
in
this
meeting.
So
just.
A
J
A
C
But
I'm
almost
there
with
the
presentation,
okay
I
am
able
to
share
it
now.
Okay!
Well,
let
me
let
me
try
one
more
time.
Perfect.
C
I
think
if
I'm
not
switching
to
the
other
slides,
we
can
see
the
plan.
I
know
it's
a
small
plan,
but
then
I
tried
to
switch
to
the
to
the
next
slide.
This
was
happening.
F
That
works,
yeah,
okay,
still
a
little
small
but
I
think
we
can
get
the
idea
I'll
just
run
through
it,
real
quick
again
that
if
you'll
see
here,
we've
we've
added
angled
parking
instead
of
the
straight
perpendicular
parking
in
front,
you
lost
a
couple
parking
spaces,
doing
that
and
we've
added
a
few
in
the
rear
to
make
up
the
difference.
So
we're
not
deficient
from
a
zoning
standpoint.
F
We
also
have
a
substantial
landscape
presence
and
screening
up
on
Belair
Road
I
know.
One
of
the
comments
was
from
the
plane.
Department
I
have
at
least
an
eight-foot
landscape
strip.
We
have
substantially
more
than
that.
We've
got
a
row
of
Street
trees,
a
row
of
flowering
trees
and
several
rows
of
lower
shrubs
in
that
area.
So
I
think
it
meets
that
intent.
F
So
that's
kind
of
from
the
site
plan.
Like
I
mentioned,
we
did
the
a
red
line
back
there
that
shows
an
adjacent
or
a
sorry,
a
safety
fence
adjacent
to
the
storm
water
facility
in
the
rear.
F
There
was
a
comment
from
the
panel
to
provide
a
photometric
lighting
plan.
Can
indicate
the
locations
of
the
lighting
on
the
plan.
So
still
at
this
point
in
time,
we're
not
proposing
any
sight
lighting,
we
feel
we
can
provide
all
the
necessary
safety
lighting
and
aerial
lighting
with
building
mounted
you'll,
see
that
we
provided
those
on
the
new
architecture.
F
We'd
be
happy
to
do
photometric
plans
when
we
get
further
into
the
process.
It's
something
we
always
do
when
we
get
into
final
landscape
design
with
County
landscape
architect,
and
it
asks
another
comment
was
providing
sign
details
for
all
proposed
proposed
signage,
so
we're
still
not
proposing
any
signage.
There's
no
entrance
monument
that
we're
proposing,
there's
no
building
mounted
signage,
that
we're
proposing
my
client
and
the
owner
is
really
only
proposing
doing
some
stenciling
or
painting
on
the
doors
of
the
actual
tenant
spaces
once
tenants
are,
are
signed
up.
F
F
I,
don't
know
if
Mark,
if
you
can
scroll
through
here,
I
think
we
had
some
additional
images
on
the
building
materials.
We'd
add
a
little
more
detail
to
the
and
I
think.
Oh
maybe
go
back
one
right
right
so
Brian
do
you
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
what
we
did
to
change
the
building
elevations.
K
Yeah
so
fundamentally,
the
two
I
guess
major
comments
that
we
were
dealing
with
were
the
a
three
I
guess:
the
the
metal
canopies,
which
we've
drawn
those
in
a
way
that
expresses
the
the
their
metal
canopies
we've.
Also
added.
You
can
see
the
black
lights,
which
are
the
those
are
a
wall
pack
cutoff
fixture,
which
I
believe
we
provided
the
cut
sheet
for
what
we're
talking
about
using
there
and
since
all
of
the
parking
is
very
localized
to
the
building
and
circulation.
K
Our
intent
is
to
light
everything
from
there
and
then
the
the
major
comment
was
regarding
the
brick
and
this
building
because
of
its
size.
We're
planning
on
doing
this
with
a
insulated,
concrete,
Precast
wall
panel
system
and
Our
intention
is
to
use
a
form
liner
panel.
That
will
give
us
a
brick
pattern,
for
the
vast
majority
of
everything
that
you
see
is
that's
a
lighter
gray
is,
is
actually
a
brick
pattern,
a
piece
of
design
which
will
be
painted
a
gray
color.
K
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
will
look
like
painted
brick
when
it's
done
so
and
I
think
we
I
provided
some
additional
photographs
of
what
that
looks
like
what
the
photographs
I
provided
were
the
the
raw
unpainted
concrete.
But
it
gives
you
these
scents
for
what
the
pattern
would
look
like.
It
looks
you
know
very
much
like
brick
and
then
you
would
paint
this
like
the
the
accent
color,
and
that
would
give
us
our
you
know
brick
impression.
K
So
we
also
increased
the
amount
of
area
of
the
building
that
we
were
doing
this
patterning
in
so
and
that's
the
life
or
something
similar
that
we're
looking
at,
which
is
a
very
simple
wedge
cut
off
and,
like
I
said
it's
a
cutoff
fixture,
so
it
won't
throw
light.
F
A
Actually,
the
panel
referred
to
in
the
minutes
referred
to
the
staff
report
and
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
first
motion
was
indicating
comply
with
all
the
conditions
in
the
department
of
planning
staff
report.
We
do
that
so
we're
not
redundant
so
that
we
can
reference
theirs,
but
I
do
think
those
should
be
addressed
if
you've
made
changes
to.
F
Sure
be
happy
to
run
through
them.
If
you
do
want
quickly,
please
thank
you.
So
from
the
Department
of
planning
comments,
the
site
design
again
was
really
the
parking
in
the
front
versus.
In
the
back.
We
discussed
that
there
was
a
comment
about
providing
eight
foot
of
landscaping
out
front
with
Street
trees.
F
We've
done
that
there
was
a
comment
about
provide
confirmation
from
the
county
landscape
architect
that
conditioned
l
from
performance-based
business
zone
of
the
County
Landscape
manual
is
met.
We
have
not
done
that.
We
feel
strongly
that
that's
met
and
we
typically
would
not
get
review
from
the
county
landscape
architect
until
we
submit
a
schematic
landscape
plan
with
a
development
plan.
F
It's
very
difficult
to
get
his
input
on
stuff
this
far
in
advance,
but
we
feel
confident
we
meet
that
requirement
and
we'd
recommend
that
we
reserved
for
a
development
plan
submittal
indicate
and
label
on
the
plain
outdoor
seating
areas.
We
have
identify
those
there's
a
label
we've
also
based
on
commas.
We
received
last
time
Consolidated
the
common
area
before
we
had
half
of
the
area
on
one
side
of
the
building,
half
on
the
other.
F
There
was
a
comment
about
providing
a
dumpster
enclosure
detail
I'm,
still
standing
strong,
that
we
don't
need
one
here,
because
the
dumpsters
are
well
behind
the
property
they're
down
gradient
they're
up
against
a
wooded
area,
a
high
tension,
wire,
no
adjacent
property
owners,
so
I
don't
feel
like
having
a
typical
masonry
enclosures,
the
best
use
of
resources.
For
that.
F
F
F
We
provide
a
light
pole
by
the
the
dumpster
if
necessary,
but
we
don't
think
it's
necessary
said,
provide
proposed
building
mounted
lighting,
we
provided
those
locations
and
the
cut
sheets
provide
details
for
any
signage
I
mentioned
that
we're
not
proposing
any
signage
other
than
stencils
on
the
windows
and
doors
or
on
the
doors.
When
we
get
tenants
and
then
the
architectural
design,
we've
added
additional
detail
and
more
photos
of
the
building
materials,
I
think
that
covers
all
the
planned
Department's
comments.
A
If
so,
we
will
move
thank
you
and
that
this
time
then
the
floor
will
be
open
for
public
input
and
or
feedback
from
the
community
get
to
Mr
Keller's
comments.
If
you
are
presenting
for
the
community
group
again,
you
all
have
five
minutes
to
speak.
Those
who
do
not
represent
a
community
are
speaking
as
individuals
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak
so
Marta
I'll,
let
you
conduct
the
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
else
Beyond,
Mr
Keller
is
signed
up
to
speak
but
I'll.
Let
you
begin
on
that
process.
C
Thank
you
successfully.
We
don't
have
anyone
else,
but
Brad.
If
you
have
anyone
else,
just
please,
please
definitely
know
and
I
will
let
let
me
unmute
Mr
Keller,
just
a
second,
please.
L
Sure
I'm
Ray
good
evening,
members
of
the
design
review
panel,
we're
here
for
8822
Belair
Road.
The
developer
approached
the
Prairie
Hall
Improvement
Association
sometime
after
your
first
meeting.
Our
comments
related
to
the
site
plan
were
centered.
Really,
you
know
between
the
building
face
and
the
street
the
edge
of
the
street,
and
our
concerns
were
several
fall.
One
is
we
would
we
preferred
that
the
sidewalk
we
moved
back
from
Belair
Road
if
you're
familiar
with
the
site?
L
Belair
Road
is
a
five-lane
Highway,
pretty
much
and
it's
very
uncomfortable
to
walk
right
on
the
curb
against
the
highway
and
they
have
moved
it
back.
The
second
comment
was
to
get
the
to
get
the
required
Green
Space,
the
AP,
to
Green
spacer
plus,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
talked
with
them
and
they
felt
like
we
all
felt
like
the
best
solution
was
angle
parking
one
side
only
or
then
they
could
reduce
the
width
of
the
of
that
to
a
company
bait,
the
additional
Green
Space.
L
This
essentially
mimics
the
the
building
across
the
street.
If
you're
familiar
with
that,
if
not
you
can
Google
it
and
do
do
a
street
view.
You
can
see
the
building
across
the
street,
it
does
not
have
angle
park,
it
has
some
perpendicular
parking,
but
only
one
row,
so
it
has,
it
has
a
it
has
a
similar
look
as
as
the
the
building
across
the
street.
We
also
talked
about
the
entryways
which
they
both
they
made,
both
of
them
two-way,
which
was
which
was
fine.
L
We
did
talk
to
them
about
a
connection
to
the
adjoining
property
and,
as
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
that
would
be
the
property
to
the
right
of
that
site
plan
and
that
would
be
a
Popeyes
and
I
think
it's
coming
to
the
design
review
panel.
I,
don't
know
when,
when
that's
all
taking
place
so
essentially
the
we
had
good
meetings
with
the
developer.
We
feel
they
melt
that
they
met
the
the
guidelines
and
we're
happy
with
the
revised
plan.
A
I
No
I'm,
sorry,
no
I'm,
sorry
not
for
this
project.
It
was
something
in
the
chat,
but
not
for
this
one.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you
just
a
second
successfully,
let
me
bring
up
the
stuff
report.
C
C
Resolution
number
103-20
if
an
existing
building
is
being
repurposed,
parking
base
should
be
located
along
the
sides
and
rear
of
the
lot
and
parking
should
not
be
provided
in
the
front
for
new
construction.
Any
building
shall
be
placed
as
close
to
the
road
as
possible.
The
sparking
provided
at
the
site
or
in
the
back
in
terms
of
foreign
image.
C
So
at
this
point,
Sorry
Us
in
terms
of
site
design
stuff,
cannot
recommend
approval
in
terms
of
form
and
image.
At
this
time,
staff
cannot
recommend
approval
of
the
form.
An
image
open
space
and
landscape
design
staff
recommends
approval.
The
open
space
and
landscape
design,
subject
to
the
following
comments:
provide
confirmation
from
the
County
Landscape
Architects
at
condition.
L
Performance,
Based
business
zones
and
of
the
Baltimore
County
Landscape
manual
is
met,
number
two
indicate
and
label
on
the
plan.
Outdoor
seating
areas
number
three
provide
the
details
of
the
proposed
dumpster.
C
The
proposed
a
dancer
enclosure
should
meet
the
requirements
of
the
bathroom
County
Landscape
manual,
Section
3,
h
in
terms
of
street
parking
and
circulation
stuff
cannot
recommend
approval
at
this
time.
Subject
to
the
following
condition.
The
resolution
number
103-20
is
an
existing
building
is
being
repurposed.
Parking
base
should
be
located
along
the
sides
and
rear
of
the
lot
and
parking
should
not
be
provided
in
the
front
for
new
constructions.
C
Any
buildings
shall
be
placed,
but
as
close
to
the
roads
as
possible,
with
sparking
provided
at
the
site
or
in
the
back
in
terms
of
spinach
and
lighting,
are
staff
cannot
recommend
approval
of
the
signage
and
lighting
design.
Based
on
the
following,
based
on
resolution
number
103-20
fundamental
speed
lights,
walls
shall
be
installed
that
duplicate
the
look
and
spacing
of
those
constructed
at
Perry.
Hall
Elementary
School
provide
details
for
the
proposed
light
fixtures
to
demonstrate
that
this
requirement
will
be
met.
C
Number
two
adipatric
demonstrate
that
the
proposed
building
lighting
for
the
proposed
parking
at
the
rear
of
the
property
is
sufficient.
Number
three
provide
directional
signs
at
the
entry
exit
to
direct
the
proposed
one-way
circulation,
indicate
locations
on
the
site
and
provide
details
and
in
regards
to
architectural
design.
C
Stuff
cannot
equipment.
Approval
of
the
architectural
design
based
on
the
following
resolution,
number
103-20
outlines
that
new
building
should
be
predominantly
designed
with
brick.
The
building
design
shell
comply
with
this
requirement
and
final
recommendation.
Until
all
the
above
listed
comments
are.
A
Thank
you
Marta.
So
now
we'll
move
to
the
panelists
of
comments
and
see,
and
so
let
me
run
through
the
list.
Mr
Khan.
If
you'd
like
to
start
us
off.
D
Sure
I
have
one
question
about
the
the
building
itself
are
the
both
sides
of
the
building
two-story
spaces.
D
K
The
so
in
the
center
of
the
space
there,
you
can
see
that
those
are
solid
panels
on
the
two
wings
that
we're
discussing,
there's
glass
above
and
windows
on
the
side.
That's
correct.
K
With
the
intent
now,
the
intention
would
be
that
if
there's
a
two-story
tenant
yeah,
that
would
be
the
intention,
but
that
left
side
is
pretty
close
up
to
right,
very,
very,
not
very
visible
from
the
from
the
road.
Because
of
the
tree
line.
That's
there
and.
K
Really
yeah:
the
intention
is
it's
a
clear-ended
us
to
match
the
storefront
system.
It's
a
silver
color.
D
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
there's
some
some
issues
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
those
are
really
my
questions
for
the
moment.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Khan,
we'll
move
on
to
Mr
Sharma.
M
F
So
we're
not
posing
the
the
visitor
parking
to
be
in
the
rear,
we're
proposing
it
in
the
front.
The
parking.
M
Okay,
so
question
so
the
people
parking
in
the
rear
would
they
access
the
building
from
the
front
or
from
the
other
side.
F
M
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
is
Dennis.
If
you'd
like
to
go
next
Kelly.
C
A
Okay,
thank
you,
James
Mr
Stevens.
If
you'd
like
to
go
next.
E
Oh
sure,
I
I
guess
I
would
like
to
start
with
saying
you
know
I'm
I'm
in
agreement
with
the
additional
detailing.
That's
that's
on
the
facade,
so
I
guess
my
only
concern
or
or
or
a
real
major
recommendation
is
that
the
the
the
precast
concrete
panels-
that's
that's
brick.
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with,
but
I
do
have
a
problem
with
is
that
they
that
they
should
mostly
be
a
reddish
brown
brick
to
really.
E
Representing
at
the
the
character
that
that
exists
in
the
neighborhood,
currently
it
should
not
be
the
the
greatest
concrete
brick
paddle
Precast
paddle,
that's
all
outside
of
that
I'm
I'm,
in
complete
agreement
with
the
architect
saying
the
site,
I
guess
on
the
side,
part
the
the
real
parking
I
I
I
I,
have
some
objections,
but
fear
not
being
any
sight
lighting.
That's
all
it
just
seems
like
there
should
be
some
sight
Lighting
in
the
rear
of
that
building
where
individuals
are
parking.
E
That's
all
you
know,
there's
there's
I
understand
the
wall
packs
on
the
perimeter
of
the
building.
That's
fine
and
it's
it's
probably
enough
for
the
front
of
the
building,
but
I
I.
You
know
with
what's
what's
what's
for
the
safety
of
the
individuals
and
and
and
having
access
to
the
rear
of
that
building,
I
would
say
you
know
sight.
Lighting
is
is
needed.
B
A
Okay,
so
I'll
jump
in
here
I
know
that
a
number
of
us-
and
there
were
a
couple
of
folks
who
were
with
us
who
had
comments
at
the
last
session.
The
initial
submission
I
would
say
that
well
I
appreciate
that
the
the
presenters
and
the
applicants
have
met
with
the
community
leaders
and
have
talked
through
and
worked
through
some
of
the
details.
A
I,
don't
think
that
this
is
meeting
the
design
guidelines
and,
and
especially
the
the
resolutions
that
were
clearly
added
to
try
to
move
new
development
in
a
Direction,
that's
less
autocentric,
so
I,
don't
think
this
plan
has
addressed
those
and
I
think
it's
still,
you
know,
I
think
it
kind
of
is,
is
still
trying
to
promote
an
auto-centric
environment
when
the
design
guidelines
clearly
have
tried
to
create
an
environment
that
is
less
autocentric
and
has
buildings
move
to
the
street
with
parking
to
the
sides
and
rear.
A
So
I,
don't
think
that
that
has
been
addressed
by
the
applicant
I
think
also.
The
not
I
would
also
Echo.
A
Mr
Stevens
comments
about
the
site,
lighting
and
I.
Think
previously,
other
panelists
had
mentioned
that
as
well
asking
for
a
phonometric
lighting
plan
that
some
of
the
rear
lighting
may
not
be
adequate
near
the
the
employee
parking,
as
well
as
around
the
dumpster,
but
also,
most
importantly,
is
this:
the
street
lighting
that
you
know
again.
This
was
a
a
resolution
that
was
clearly
indicated
for
the
betterment
of
trying
to
take
the
Bel
Air
Road
into
a
new
Direction
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
been
addressed.
A
A
How
that's
addressed
that
people
would
move
from
That
Sidewalk
to
the
building
Frontage
again,
and
we
all
know
that
the
condition
of
Bel
Air
Road
as
it
exists
today
is
not
you
know,
pedestrian
welcoming,
but
all
new
development
should
start
to,
as
it
comes
one
one
by
one
should
start
to
promote
a
different
relationship
between
the
buildings
and
the
public
road
and
that
environment
and
I.
Don't
think
this
proposal
is
doing
that
the
dumpster
enclosure
I.
You
know
we
recognize
that
it's
in
the
back,
but
again
there
is
a
resolution
that
requires
that.
A
So
I
would
say
that
this
again
is
not
in
compliance
with
the
resolutions
that
are
requiring
that
moving
on
to
the
brick,
you
know
well,
I
think
it's
it's
good
to
try
to
emulate
brick
again.
The
resolutions
are
very
clear
that
it
should
be
predominantly
brick
not
not
a
false
break,
not
brick
panels.
Not
you
know
for
some
tilt
up
material,
that's
impressed
with
brick,
but
brick.
It
doesn't
detail
in
the
same
way
as
real
brick
and
I.
Think
as
Mr
Stevens
said,
you
know
it.
A
Doesn't
it
doesn't
even
read
like
brick
of
this.
You
know
kind
of
the
traditional
surrounding
context,
not
the
autocentric,
but
the
you
know
traditional
context
of
the
site
isn't
represented
by
the
colors
chosen.
So
you
know
for
those
you
know:
what's
the
building
sighting
dumpster
enclosure,
Street
lighting
and
sight
lighting,
the
brick
and
then
The
Pedestrian
access,
I
believe
all
of
those
reasons,
I
don't
think
this
proposal
has
addressed
those.
A
J
E
I
would
make
an
emotion
but
I
I'm,
it's
it's
I'm
torn
between
proving
with
conditions
or
not
approving
with
conditions.
It's
it's.
It's
leaning
more
towards
not
approving,
with
with
conditions
I
mean
every.
You
know
with
most
of
what
you
really
highlighted.
It's
it's
very
appropriate
from
there
there
should.
You
know
there
should
be
brick
on
on
the
facades
there.
There's
there's
most
definitely
should
be
night
lighting
in
the
rear.
E
There
should
be
a
more
of
a
of
an
engagement
with
entry
from
the
sidewalk
to
on
on
bear
look,
Bel,
Air,
Road
to
the
the
entry
the
front
facade
of
the
building.
Also
the
enclosure
of
the
dumpster
should
you
know,
be
masonry.
I'm,
hoping
I
am
covering
most
of
the
items
that
that
needs
to
be
adhered
to
by
the
the
team.
A
Yeah,
so
no
I
think
you
I
mean
I,
think
you
covered
what
the
group
talked
about,
but
I
think
your
first.
Your
first
question
is
probably
a
good
one
for
the
group
to
discuss
before
we
formally
make
a
motion.
A
Does
anyone
on
the
panel
have
once
let's
go
around
I'll
kind
of
call,
do
a
roll
call
and
just
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
in
terms
of
what
the
motion
should
be
in
terms
of
the
two
proposed
by
Mr
Stevens,
not
approved
or
approved
with
conditions,
so
I'll
go
to
Mr
Sharma.
First.
H
I'm
inclined
to
agree
with
approve
of
conditions,
but
hopefully
I
think
your
assistant
of
those
conditions
was
extremely
accurate,
so
I
think
they
should
actually
reflect
what
you
preface
okay
prior
to
Mr
Sharma.
A
Okay
and
thank
you,
Kelly
and
Donald
Mr
Cohen
I,
want
to
weigh
in
on
that.
D
A
I
can
I
mean
I?
Can
you
know,
as
you
heard
in
Martez
staff
report,
it's
pretty
clear
that
there
is
a.
A
A
resolution
that
requires
that
the
building
does
not
have
parking
in
front
that
the
building
is
pulled
forward
along
Bel
Air
Road.
That's
what
that's
what's
in!
Thank
you,
Marta!
That's.
A
So
this
I
mean
that's
what
the
again.
This
is
a
resolution
that
was
passed
specifically
to
address
this
area
of
Bel
Air
Bel
Air
Road,
so
that
I
mean
when
I
look
at
this
I
look
at
someone
had
the
community
had
the
intent,
and
this
resolution
was
passed
to
have
buildings
new
buildings
not
have
parking
in
front
but
place
as
close
to
the
road
as
possible,
with
the
parking
in
the
back
or
on
the
side.
D
A
D
That's
part
of
the
motion.
That's
at
the
moment.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
that
we
haven't
addressed
is
based
on
the
floor
plans.
I
think
we
should
include
an
elevation
of
the
back
of
the
building.
D
There
would
certainly
need
to
be
additional
doors
there
for
proper
egress
from
the
spaces
and
that
but
I
think
no
matter
what
we
do.
I
think
we
should
be
seeing
the
back
of
the
building
as
well
to
see
how
that
gets
resolved.
A
Yeah
and
I'm
sure
the
applicant
has
that
so
I
think
that's
yes,
it's
a
good
call
to
have
that
included
in
the
submission
package
for
sure,
okay,
so
so
so,
just
to
ask
Mr
Khan
and
just
to
be
clear
about
this.
Are
you
on
the
side
of
approving
with
conditions
or
not
approving.
D
J
D
I'm
struggling
with
that
too
I
mean
to
approve
with
conditions,
is
essentially
to
not
approve
very
much
of
what's
been
presented,
so
I
think
it's
sort
of
it
sort
of
moved,
I
think
we're
asking
the
development
team
to
reconsider.
So
many
things
that
you
know
it's.
It's
almost
moot
as
to
how
we
position
the
response.
A
Yeah
I
would
agree
with
that.
I'll
just
weigh
in
here
I
think
I,
just
think
I
mean
this
has
been
before
us
back
in
May,
I,
believe
and
I.
Think,
although
some
some
minor
adjustments
have
been
made,
I
think
the
Crux
of
the
submission
in
my
eye
has
not
been
revised
to
address
the
majority
of
the
kind
of
the
overarching
comments
that
were
in
the
staff
report
and
that
are
still
in
the
staff
report.
I,
don't
believe
that
this
has
move
the
needle
much
on
that
and
again
I.
A
You
know,
maybe
it's
because
I
write
design
guidelines
and
have
to
design
by
them
that
I
I
put
weight
into
that.
But
I
think
our
duty
as
a
design
review
panel
is
to
you
know,
look
at
those
design
guidelines
that
were
approved
and
certainly
resolutions
that
have
been
adopted
and
try
to
adhere
to
them.
Unless
there
is
a,
you
know,
am
I
there's
always
there
are
always
caveats
or
exceptions.
A
You
know
where
there's
absolutely
no
way
to
adhere
to
those
because
of
certain
site
constraints
such
as
topography
or
you
know
an
entrance
I'm,
not
seeing
that
here.
Some
in
my
opinion
clearly
is
you
know
that
this
is
not
meeting
the
intent
of
those
and
is
not
approvable.
A
Okay,
so
with
that
debate
and
hearing
all
of
that
Mr
Stevens
I'm,
coming
back
to
you
to
put
forth
a
motion.
E
Okay,
well,
I
will
make
a
motion
of
not
approving
this.
This
project
on
on
Bel
Air
Road,
the
the
there
must
be
a
total
adherence
to
the
staff
report,
which
you
know
includes
the
the
building
moving
forward
towards
Bel
Air
Road,
with
parking
in
the
rear,
as
as
Donald
indicated,
a
a
rear
elevation,
also,
the
incorporation
of
of
sight
Lighting
in
in
the
rear
and
the
incorporation
of
brick
on
the
facades
of
the
building,
as
opposed
to
the
Precast
concrete
panels.
E
Also,
the
dumpster
said,
adhere
to
an
enclosure
of
Masonry
and
and
I
think
that,
and,
and
and
and
and
from
this
sidewalk
on
Bel
Air
Road,
a
more
convenient
entry
towards
the
practice
side
of
the
building.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
summarizing
that
beef
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
county
has
that
and
if
there's
any
further
debate
on
the
subject
before
I
ask
for
a
second.
A
A
I'm
sorry
I
think
Mr
Khan
beat
you
to
that
second
Kelly,
but
so
there
is
a
motion
and
a
second.
So
now,
I'll
call
for
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
B
A
B
A
So
I
I
did
hear
all
five
that
motion
carries
so
thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
you
know,
I
think
the
applicant
will
need
to
go
back
and
and
speak
with
planning
staff
a
bit
further
and
readdress
some
of
the
concerns
noted
by
both
the
both
the
county
as
well
as
the
panelists
here
tonight,
and
with
that
I
think
we
shall
move
on
to
the
second
item.
C
C
A
A
A
Very
good,
thank
you
and
while
you're
bringing
up
I'll
just
say,
that's
item
number
two
is
2119:
Eastern
Boulevard,
shiny
shell,
Essex
commercial
review.
F
Thank
you
for
better
for
worse,
you
have
me
again:
it's
Matt
Bishop,
Kinley
horn,
representing
shiny
shell
and
my
client,
Brian
Prince,
is
on
the
call
as
well.
F
Thank
you
so
we're
proposing
a
new
car
wash
at
2119
Eastern
Boulevard,
it's
up
near
Lockheed,
Martin
site
and
the
Martin
State
airport.
If
you
know
that
area
of
Baltimore
County
we
have
on
the
cover
sheet,
is
a
rendering
of
the
front
facade
of
the
building
as
I
do
with
all
these
presentations.
I'll
run
through
some
quick
background
information
and
then
get
more
into
the
design
so
Marta.
F
If
you
would
please
next
slide
what
the
site
is
currently
vacant,
it
was
the
home
of
the
McDonald's
I'm,
not
sure
how
long
it's
been
vacant
for,
but
it's
been,
repainted
doesn't
even
look
like
McDonald's
anymore,
but
I
think
it's
been
bacon
for
quite
a
while.
F
We
do
need
a
few
variances.
I
know
that
Designer
view
panel
likes
to
know
about
that.
So
because
of
the
car
wash
use
and
the
configuration
of
the
property,
we
would
need
a
variance
for
the
exit
Lane
being
closer
than
50
feet
from
the
adjacent
Road
Car
Wash
entrance
is
facing
a
residentially
zone
property
and,
as
you'll
see
later,
that
residentially
zone
property
actually
houses.
A
very
large
EG
substation,
not
sure
why
it's
sewn
residential.
F
F
Car
washes
are
all
require
special
exceptions
in
basically
any
Zone
they're
permitted
in.
So
that's
not
unique
to
this
property
next
slide.
Please.
F
So
this
is
more
of
a
context.
Aerial
photograph
to
see
our
site
in
the
middle,
as
I
mentioned
before
for
reference.
Part
of
a
parking
lot
for
Lockheed
Martin
site
is
to
the
east.
There
is
a
good
sized
shopping
center
to
our
west
across
the
street,
from
Kingston
Road
directly
to
our
South
is
that
electrical
substation
to
our
Northeast
is
another
commercial
Strip
Center
and
across
Eastern
Boulevard
to
the
Northwest
is
a
commercial
and
residential
community
next
slide,
please.
F
This
is
zoomed
in
aerial
photograph,
showing
you
what
it
was
before.
It's
McDonald's,
as
I
mentioned,
paved
pretty
much
all
all
four
corners
of
the
property.
We
have
two
access
points
on
Eastern
Boulevard.
We
intend
to
keep
both
of
those
and
one
on
Kingston
Road
intend
to
keep
that
entrance
as
well.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
So
this
is
some
of
the
features
of
our
site
plan.
We
have
a
car
wash
rollover,
Car
Wash
tunnel
plan
North.
F
F
F
F
And
there's
really
not
a
lot
of
grading
going
on
the
site
is
relatively
flat
and
we
intend
to
keep
our
proposed
grading
similar
to
what's
there
now
we
will
have
building
mounted
signage,
which
you'll
see
later
in
the
package
and
one
Monument
sign
which
is
hard
to
see
on
this
plan.
But
it's
kind
of
centrally
located
on
Eastern,
Boulevard
side
kind
of
in
between
the
two
entrances.
F
F
F
F
The
career
entrance
or
the
entrance
into
the
Car
Wash
and
the
the
rear
elevation
next,
please.
F
F
These
are
the
cut
sheets
of
the
site
and
building
mounted
lighting,
so
we
have
full
cut
off
fixtures
for
the
parking
lot
and
the
wall
packs
for
the
building.
F
F
F
So
that's
our
full
presentation.
I
apologize
I
meant
to
introduce
Brian
a
little
bit
better
and
give
him
an
opportunity
to
introduce
himself
in
shiny
shell
but
I
kind
of
rolled
into
our
presentation
kind
of
quickly
Brian.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
now
and
introduce
yourself
and
your
company
it'd
be
great.
If
not,
we
can
move
into
the
panels.
O
Yeah,
thank
you
panel
for
the
time
tonight
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
Brian
princess
shine.
Show
Car,
Wash
I
represent
the
owner
and
operator
of
this
Express
Car
Wash
business,
I
I
think
Matt
did
an
excellent
job
of
of
giving
an
overview
of
the
proposal
and
the
vision
we
have
for
the
site.
O
A
happy
answer.
Any
questions
you
have
about
the
site,
design,
building
design
had
the
chance
to
look
at
the
staff
report
and
and
comments.
So
I
have
nothing
to
add
at
this
time.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
Mr
Prince.
It
is
not
so
at
this
time
the
floor
is
open
for
public
input
and
feedback.
Again,
if
you're,
representing
a
community
group,
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
speak
as
an
individual
and
you'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak
so
Marta
and
Brett.
Are
there
any
community
members
who
have
signed
up
this
evening.
N
C
You
want
to
hear,
can
you
hear
us
pet
hook.
C
C
You
are
now
so
you
are
here
in
the
meeting
now
and
you
will
have
two
minutes
if
you
are
not
representing
any
communities,
but
if
you
represent
in.
P
P
P
20,
maybe
20
feet
up
on
the
shopping
center
side
that
people
exit
and
enter
into
there
as
well,
so
I'm,
not
sure,
if
any
of
you,
gentlemen,
or
anybody
on
the
panel
has
been
on
Kingston
Road
or
what
the
geresbeck's
on
a
Saturday
but
trying
to
get
that
out
of
there
along
with
the
residents,
because
it
is
the
only
exit
on
the
peninsula.
P
There's
no
other
way
to
get
out
of
the
peninsula
unless
you
cut
through
gerstack's
parking
lot
and
go
to
Eastern
Avenue.
That
way,
so
from
speaking
to
other
community
members
plus
people
outside
the
community
that
shop
here,
they're
not
seeing
how
that
access
is
going
to
work.
If
it's
left
open,
because
what
happens
is
if
you
leave
it
open,
you
have
the
left-hand
turn
going
off
the
Kingston
onto
Eastern.
People
will
try
to
jump
across
those
two
lanes
to
make
that
left
on
the
Eastern.
P
What
else
happens
is
people
will
leave
a
gap
for
them
to
come
out,
but
what
they
do
is
they
block
the
right
hand
lane
where
people
can,
then
it
prevents
people
from
exiting
the
neighborhood
by
making
a
right
on
Eastern
Avenue
or
having
to
wait
till
the
light
changes,
and
you
also
have
that
issue
at
the
access
across
the
street
at
the
shopping
center,
people
will
leave
a
gap,
and
then
people
come
out
and
we'll
block
the
lane,
because
people
leave
them
in
there,
even
though
they're
not
supposed
to
come
out
and
block
the
lane,
but
they
do
anyway,
so
I
mean
we're
I
mean
the
general
consensus
is
we
would
like
to
have
it
closed
off?
P
Point
second,
one
is
the
lighting.
If
you
want
to
understand,
you
only
have
Lighting
on
the
building
itself.
P
All
right,
very
good
and
I
guess
I
think
that
was
the
only
two.
Oh
the
signs
or
you
were
proposing
signs
on
Kingston
and
Eastern
Avenue
off
the
off
the
sidewall.
Is
that
what
I
read
in
the
presentation
or.
O
F
One
or
two
more
Marta,
that's
it!
Thank
you.
O
P
Okay,
all
right
I
think
that's
about
all
I
had
for
you
guys,
I
mean
I
mean
the
main
concern
is
going
to
be
the
traffic,
obviously
even
on
Eastern
Avenue,
with
that
right
hand
lane,
because
that's
an
exit,
Lane
old
to
Martins,
as
well
as
a
merge
lane
so
I
think
traffic's
going
to
be
is
the
biggest
issue,
at
least
for
the
community
and
surrounding
communities.
So
I
think
that's
all
I
have.
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
appreciate
it
hey.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
Pat,
so
cecially,
there
are
no
other
speakers,
but
let
me
check
with
that
that.
I
Yeah
there's
some
someone
put
something
in
the
chat
that
they
were
like
read
into
the
record.
It's
Miss
Jan
Miller
of
two
one:
four:
zero
Court
Horn
Road
she's,
a
neighbor
to
the
property
she's.
Her
statement
reads:
she's
concerned
with
the
major
traffic
backups
and
multiple
accidents
occur,
a
caring
near
as
a
result
of
two
access
roads
too
close
to
the
intersection
of
Eastern
Boulevard
and
Kingston
Road.
I
The
curb
Lane
on
Eastern
is
actually
part
of
the
limited
access
intersection
at
Eastern
and
Martin
Boulevard,
while
not
as
heavily
traveled
as
many
years
ago.
It
provides
access
to
the
large
complex
of
buildings
and
open
Waterfront.
That
is
prime
for
development.
At
the
head
of
the
Wilson
Point
peninsula,
it
will
be
anticipated
upon
development
that
the
excess
Road
will
see
much
more
traffic.
I
Would
it
be
feasible
to
rotate
the
building
90
degrees,
so
the
back
of
the
building
is
parallel
to
rear
property
line.
I
have
only
one
access
on
Eastern
and
current
existing
access
on
property,
known
as
2121
Eastern,
would
eliminate
congestion
at
intersection.
I
I
Also
reconfigure
service
parking
to
maintain
flow
and
no
dead
ends
that
does
not
appear
to
be
an
escape.
Lane
should
vehicle
being
stacking
and
decide
not
to
get
car
washed,
and
those
were
her
comments.
Okay,.
I
A
Thank
you
and
then
samarta
will
move
on
to
the
staff
report.
If
you're
ready
for
that.
C
So
silly,
can
you
see
my
screen?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
So
I
will
start
with
our
start
report
for
the
2119
Eastern
Boulevard
project.
C
So
as
always,
the
department
of
planning
prepared
comments
based
on
comprehensive
manual
or
development
policies,
volume,
County
master
plan,
2020
a
Baltimore
County,
Landscape
or
manual
also
based
on
Eastern
bathroom
County,
potassium
bicycle
access
plan,
Eastern
Baltimore
County,
the
utilization
study,
Community
conservation
plan
for
Aztecs,
Middle,
River
and
Aztec
design
guidelines.
C
So
in
terms
of
stuff,
there's
like
design
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
site,
design
for
the
form
and
image
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
form,
an
image
for
the
open
space
and
landscape
design
staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
surface
parking
lots
should
incorporate
piano,
beat
trees
to
the
greatest
extent
possible
number
two
per
Essex
design
guidelines,
surface
parking
lots
should
incorporate
canopy,
trees,
toothposts,
sorry,
I,
think
I.
This
is
repeats
a
comment.
So
it's
the
same.
N
C
Per
assets,
design
guidelines
proposed
landscaping
and
fences
should
be
used
to
screen
the
view
of
parked
cars,
provide
a
decorative
fans
in
combination.
This
Landscaping
of
the
screen,
the
view
of
parking.
C
For
the
streets,
parking
and
circulation
staff
recommends
approval
or
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one:
the
site
plan
indicates
24
parking
spaces
for
Wacom
in,
however,
or
only
one
is
required
for
vacuuming.
If
you
have
the
proposed
number
of
parking
spaces
and
a
place
down
this
Landscaping,
please
provide
an
explanation
why
so
many
parking
spaces
are
being
proposed.
C
Number
two
clearly
indicate
on
the
plan.
The
proposed
locations
for
the
vacuuming
machines
provide
details
and
drawings
of
the
welcoming
machines.
C
A
Thank
you,
Marta
I
do
have
one
question
for
you.
Just
so
I
understand
art
have
the
2021
Essex
design
guidelines.
Have
this
been
adopted?
Are
we
still
working
on
the
1983
sort.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
with
that,
let's
move
on
to
the
panel
members.
Give
me
sorry
just
one
moment
here:
okay,
so
let's
start
from
a
different
order.
This
time,
let's
start
with
Kelly.
H
Hi
I
I
think
I
have
a
question
for
Marca
and
the
team
with
the
context
to
the
natural
materials
I
mean
I'm,
sorry,
I'm
kind
of
navigating
through
my
files
here.
H
What
exactly
are
you
referring
to
from
the
standpoint
low
maintenance
materials
that
stand
the
test
of
time?
What
what
is
not?
What
are
you
viewing
is
possibly
replicated
materials
within
the
context
of
the
renderings.
C
So
basically,
we
are
open
to
any
suggestions.
This
is
exactly
how
it's
stated
in
the
design
guidelines,
so
we
just
want
to
point
it
out
this
to
the
panel,
and
this
is
up
to
the
panel
to
any
recommendation
suggestions.
H
Okay,
so
assuming
that
the
exterior
finish
palette
is
representative
of
the
renderings
and
as
is
appropriate
to
exterior
finish
application,
I
I
have
no
further
comment.
I
think
it's
acceptable.
H
H
I
think
it's
acceptable,
that's
what
my
exercise
and
that's
what
I
can
comment
on.
Okay,.
A
A
Okay,
very
good:
let's
go
to
Mr
Sharma
next.
A
Okay,
Mr
Khan.
D
Can
we
look
at
the
site
plan
one
more
time,
just
on
the
question
of
access
and
egress.
D
And
I
guess
the
question
on
on
Kingston
Road
is
whether
that's
in
from
the
comments
we
heard
from
the
community.
Is
that
an
egress
issue
or
an
Ingress
issue?
Or
is
it
both
in
terms
of
concerns
about
traffic
that
we
have?
We
understood
that
from
the
community.
P
People
coming
off,
Eastern
Avenue,
going
to
Kingston
and
then
making
a
left
into
that
access
on
Kingston
you'll
have
traffic
all
backed
up
at
the
light,
so
they'll
sit
there
until
they're
able
to
make
that
left.
Meanwhile,
everybody
make
a
left-hand
turn
on
the
Eastern
at
rush
hour
sitting
out
in
the
Middle
Eastern
Avenue.
D
P
P
Well,
it
would
solve
half
the
problem
because,
like
I
said
before,
people
be
coming
out,
don't
want
to
make
a
left
on
the
Eastern
Avenue,
so
somebody
will
leave
a
gap
while
they're
sitting
at
the
light
that
person
will
pull
out
and
block
the
right
hand
lane.
Then
nobody
can
get
to
Eastern
Avenue,
that's
in
the
right
hand,
lane
until
the
light
changes,
because
somebody
left
a
gap.
This
person
comes
out
can't
get
all
the
way
into
the
Gap,
so
they
block
the
lane.
P
So
that's
a
big
problem:
that's
what
I'm
hearing
from
a
lot
of
people
from
the
community
and
outside
the
community
as
well
people
that
shop
in
the
shopping
center
have
to
leave
by
that
way
as
well,
and
they
get
stuck
in
that
stuff
and,
like
I,
said,
there's
an
access
across
the
street.
That's
20
feet
up
where
the
same
action
happens.
P
People
are
trying
to
come
out
on
the
eastern
and
they
either
want
to
get
all
the
way
over
to
the
right
hand
lane,
because
they
want
to
go
right
on
Eastern
or
they're,
trying
to
jack
it
up.
Well,
they
want
to
make
a
left-hand
turn.
So
it's
been,
it
was,
it
was
an
issue
with
McDonald's
and
any
anything.
That's
been
there
to
be
honest
with
you
and.
D
Right,
thank
you
sure,
and
of
course
the
other
question
was
the
the
issue
of
so
many
vacuum
locations
and
whether,
if
there
weren't
that
many,
whether
there
could
be
more
Green
Space
on
the
site
and
I,
guess
you
know
trying
to
resolve
whether
we
need
well.
The
development
team
needs
that
many
spaces
dedicated
to
that
use
and
it's
sort
of
a
dead
end
configuration
anyway.
D
And
I
guess
and
then
the
other
question
I
would
have.
Obviously
is
the
question
of
the
of
the
bypass
lane.
I
think
you
know
it
is
a
requirement
in
other
kinds
of
uses,
like
you
know,
drive-through,
restaurants
and
drugstore,
drive-throughs
and
Banks,
and
all
the
rest
I'm
just
curious,
why
it
isn't
a
requirement
for
this
kind
of
a
use
when
there's
such
a
a
long
line
of
stacking
that
occurs
here,
which
is
longer
than
most
similar
uses.
D
F
F
I'd
be
happy
to
so
I'm,
actually
doing
quite
a
few
car
washes.
They
become
a
very
popular
item
these
days
and
the
VAC
spaces
are
very
important
for
the
operation
and
success
of
these
car
washes.
So,
yes,
the
answer
is:
we
need
as
many
of
the
vacuum
spaces
as
possible
to
make
it
to
make
sure
it's
a
viable
project
and
for
the
bypass
lane.
F
Interestingly
enough
I'm,
almost
positive
that
there's
no
requirement
in
the
Baltimore
County
design
manuals
for
bypass
Lanes
I'm,
not
saying
that
there
shouldn't
be
one,
but
there
are
plenty
of
instances
where
there
aren't
bypass
Lanes
I
can
think
of
a
handful
of
existing
restaurant
drive-through
restaurant
uses
that
don't
have
them.
So
it's
it's,
not
necessarily
a
requirement
and
Mr
Prince.
F
Do
you
have
any
anecdotal
Insight
on
on
any
of
your
other
car
washes
on
what
you
deal
with
or
how
you
handle
the
lack
of
a
bypass
lane
in
case
somebody
wants
to
get
out
of
line.
O
Yeah,
the
answer
is:
we've
done
them
in
other
locations
and
over
the
years,
the
the
hardware,
the
the
equipment
in
the
tunnel
that
washes
the
car
has
improved
over
time
and
and
so
several
years
back,
the
bailout
lane
or
bypass
lane
was
really
a
necessity.
Now
the
equipment
is
so
sophisticated.
O
If
there's
an
issue
with
a
vehicle
in
the
in
the
stacking
in
the
pay
Lane,
you
can
automatically
push
a
button
and
the
equipment
retracts,
and
you
can
just
take
the
car
right
through
the
tunnel
and
that's
a
safer,
easier
way
to
to
resolve
that
issue,
as
it
relates
to
the
the
number
of
parking
stalls
you
know.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
a
large
site.
It's
it's
over
an
acre
property.
The
McDonald's,
the
existing
site
has
over
60
Stop
Parking
stalls.
O
Our
site
is
showing
24,
so
it's
a
dramatic
reduction
in
in
parking
stalls
relative
to
what's
existing
today.
The
reason
we
have
that
number
of
stalls
is
for
a
couple
reasons,
one
it's
really
similar
to
the
Palin
design.
O
This
we
have
a
site
and
a
scale
of
a
site
that
will
will
provide
ample
stacking
in
that
pay
Lane,
as
well
as
as
parking
to
ensure
that
we
don't
have
a
conflict
with
cars
on
site
or
stacking
that
would
otherwise
go
out
on
the
Eastern
or
Kingston.
O
O
You
know
we
won't
have
the
majority
stalls
full,
but
it
is
very
helpful
during
those
busy
hours
that
that
really
for
the
car
wash
use
those
peak
hours,
don't
come
during
the
traditional
peak
hours
of
morning
a.m
and
p.m.
You
know
going
home
traffic,
it's
it's.
Typically,
midday
from
11
to
2
or
3
is
where
we
see
a
lot
of
traffic,
and
so
it's
very
complementary
to
the
the
traditional
traffic
patterns
that
I
think
members
of
the
panel
and
and
the
residents
of
have
spoken
to
that.
O
We've
talked
to
the
community
Council
about
the
traffic
on
Kingston
Eastern,
but
but
that's
a
little
insight
on
to
why
I've
designed
it.
This
way.
A
Thank
you
for
addressing
those
two
concerns,
any
other
further
questions
or
comments.
A
And
then,
if
not
Mr
Stevens
I
think
you
are
up.
A
I,
don't
think
it's
killed.
Anyone
yet
I
think
you're
fairly
safe,
but
we
all
stumble.
E
E
E
Guess
from
my
perspective,
how
are
you
really
going
to
handle
the
signage
which
is
not
indicated
on
your
front
of
your
real
front
elevation,
so
I
would
I
would
really
like
to
see
that
redone
correctly
and
incorporating
your
signage.
So
we
are
clear
on
on
how
that's
being
handled
on
that
level.
On
that
elevation.
E
I
understand
this
is
a
prototype,
but
there
still
should
be
some
some,
some
clear
understandings
of
of
how
you
present
this
information
on
a
drawing.
That's
all
so
that
that's
really
my
comment
because
on
on
the
front
page
the
front
drawing
that's,
not
the
front
elevation,
that's
all
so
I
I
really
would
like
to
see
it
redrawn
correctly
and
how
you're
going
to
really
integrate
signage
on
that
facade.
So
that's
that's.
E
I
mean
I
understand
this
is
a
prototype,
but
but
you
know
it
was
when
I
was
looking
at
the
site
plan
and
then
looking
at
the
exterior
elevations
it
just
there
was
there's,
there's
no
Harmony
at
all.
So
anyway,
let's,
let's
just
clearly
indicate
what
that
front.
Elevation
is
going
to
be
and
and
how
you're
going
to
incorporate
signage
to
to
Really,
convey
that
correct
correctly.
A
Any
input
on
that
it's
the
applicant
I,
want
to
address.
You
know.
Obviously
the
I
think
it's
the
side.
Elevation
is
the
one
we're
looking
at
here,
that's
labeled
front
elevation
and
then
the
exit
I
will.
The
exit
elevation
is
really
the
front
elevation
in
terms
of
fronting
Eastern
Boulevard.
Is
there
any
signage,
that's
going
to
be
incorporated
on
on
that
facade,
or
is
this?
F
Well,
I
mean
we
have
two
frontages,
so
I
guess
we
could
argue
that
this
is
the
front-facing
Kingston
Road,
but
I
see
the
point
that
we
also
have
a
frontage
facing
Eastern
Boulevard,
so
I
would
have
to
pull
up
the
renderings
and
see
what
they
show
for
signage.
On
that
facade,
I
think
that's
the.
What
we're
looking
at
here
on
the
bottom
is
the
entrance
to
the
tunnel,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
or
is
that
the
exit
shrine.
F
Right
and
then
the
long
elevation
above
is
facing
plan
North,
which
is
another
commercial
building
wall
the
wall.
The
long
elevation
here
is
facing
Kingston
toward
the
inside
of
our
site,
where
all
the
car
parks
are
and
then
the
smaller
elevation
on
the
bottom
is
facing
Eastern
and
I
guess.
The
question
is:
is
that
shorter
elevation
that's
facing
Eastern
Boulevard?
Is
that
going
to
have
any
additional
signage
or
is
it?
Is
it
kind
of
has
shown
on
this
rendering?
That's
guess
what
I'm
thinking
the
question?
That's.
O
The
question
and
I
the
the
a
fixed
signage
yeah
is
is
envisioned
to
all
face
towards
Kingston
technically,
but
it
really
will
be
visible
for
the
North
for
for
the
traffic
on
on
Eastern,
but
yeah,
the
the
shiny
shell,
the
car
wash
the
the
the
logo.
There
is
technically
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
facing
Kingston,
but
we'll
we'll
certainly
be
visible
from
Eastern.
There
will
be
no
signage
on
the
I'll
call
the
the
western
side
of
the
building
facing
e
west
facing
Eastern.
O
M
O
That
the
point
this
is
a
prototype
and
we
could
certainly
easily
provide
a
more
detailed
exhibit
showing
all
four
sides
yeah.
E
E
F
E
And
and
I
just
want
to
understand
clearly
how
the
signage
is
integrated
on
that,
because
it's
it's
there,
there
is
no
signage.
Currently,
that's
all.
E
E
A
Okay,
so
so,
unlike
you
know,
our
the
previous
submission,
the
the
reason
why
I
asked
about
the
design
guidelines
is
there
is
you
know
these
guidelines
that
were
just
adopted?
A
There
are
some
mentions
of
Street
orientation,
but
certainly
not
as
rigorous
for
this
area
and
I'm
guessing
that's
because
this
area
is
still
evolving
and
or
the
committee
who
formulated
these
didn't
have
that
in
mind.
Whatever
the
case
this,
this
is
much
different
than
our
last
one
in
terms
of
the
guidelines
that
have
been
adopted,
and
there
are
certainly
no
resolutions
that
are
quite
as
stringent
as
the
ones
that
we
have
last
gone
through
with
the
previous
submittal.
A
However,
there
are
a
couple
here
that
I'd
like
to
point
out:
entrances
should
be
oriented
to
the
street
in
just
the
again
I
think
you
know
you
do
have
an
existing
sidewalk
and
in
the
scheme
you
do
have
a
pedestrian
circulation.
Just
the
stripes
across
the
the
drive
aisle
to
get
to
the
building
entrance
I'm
assuming
there's
I,
don't
know
what
the
operations
are.
Some
car
washes
have
you
know
and
a
place
where
people
go
into
buy
various
things
for
car
washing.
Does
this
operation
have
that
type
of
of
public?
O
It's
a
great
question,
so
we
are
showing
a
a
walkway
from
Eastern
Boulevard
to
the
to
the
west
side
of
the
building.
That'll
have
a
walkway
to
a
retail
area,
you'll
enter
in
and
we
call
that
a
members
Lounge.
We
don't
have
any
point
of
sale
activity
there.
We
don't
sell
products
or
it's
it's
just
simply
a
location
where
our
patrons
can
come
in.
You
use
a
bathroom
facility.
O
We
offer
free
drinks,
coffee
for
our
customers
that
have
finished
vacuuming
their
car
or
about
to
do
that.
But
it's
it's
simply
just
a
kind
of
a
a
members
Lounge
and
a
restroom,
but
that
is
not
connected
in
any
way
to
the
actual
Car
Wash
tunnel.
They
wouldn't
have
access
to
that.
Anyway.
That's
just
a
it's
a
kind
of
an
interface
with
with
our
customers
and
employees
that
will
be
servicing
the
vacuum
stalls.
O
A
Okay,
understood,
and
how
wide
is
that
sidewalk
that
is
along,
that
Western
elevation.
A
A
J
A
F
O
The
requirements
and
I
and
the
question
I
had
on
this-
is
that
there's
different
requirements
and
I,
don't
know
if
they're
additive
or
if
they're
I
mean
so
for
the
car
wash
tunnel
row
over
tunnel.
There's
a
required
nine
for
the
requirement
for
for
drying.
Vehicles
is
to
additional
parking
spaces
that
we're
showing
Matt
we're
showing
two
for
the
vacuum
requirements.
One
right
so.
O
O
13
feet
wide
and
about
18
feet
deep.
We
provide
larger
stalls
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
people
are
parking,
they're,
opening
their
doors
constantly
as
they're
vacuuming,
and
so
there
has
to
be
more
space,
so
everybody's
going
to
be
knocking
the
doors
together
and
so
they're
larger
and
in
scale,
and
provide
plenty
of
space
for
for
the
patrons
to
clean
the
car
and
pull
out
and
move
through
the
site.
A
Okay,
so
I
guess-
and
you
know
just
kind
of
talking
about
the
some
of
the
concern
that
was
raised
about
the
Kingston
Road
I,
see
you
know,
I
see
that
your
primary
circulation
is
exiting,
of
course,
the
car
wash
out
onto
Eastern
coming
in
off
of
Eastern
a
two-way,
and
that
leads
you
to
the
queue
for
the
car
wash.
A
It
looks
like
the
main
I
mean
other
than
yeah
capturing
people
coming
out
of
the
peninsula
on
Kingston
Road
coming
in
past,
the
substation
is
the
main.
You
know
the
main
I
see
that
you
have
your
dumpster
and
I.
Imagine
that
you
know
it's
a
front
end
that
the
trash
truck
would
come
in
off
of
Kingston
and
grab
that
dumpster
the
trash
there
I'm
just
wondering.
Is
there
a
way
to
reorient
the
dumpster
so
that
trash
pickup
could
be
at
any
other
location
and
that
entry
could
be
closed?
A
O
I
the
question
that
I
maybe
have
asked
Matt
to
answer
is
I
I.
Think
we're
we're
trying
to
preserve
existing
connection
points.
I
I,
don't
disagree.
There
is
a
a
level
of
traffic
on
Kingston
I
think
we're
that
connectivity
from
Kingston-
and
it
is
very
important
but
we're
open
to
going
through
the
the
process
to
identify
empirically
with
the
with
data,
to
identify
what
would
would
provide
an
acceptable
level
of
service.
Considering
the
existing
traffic.
F
Yeah
procedurally,
and
how
the
process
works,
we
would
have
to
work
with
the
Department
of
Public
Works
to
see
if
a
traffic
study
is
required
and
that
would
kind
of
proof
out
what
you're
talking
about
whether
or
not
we
think
closing
that
entrance
or
leaving
it
open
would
have
a
drastic
impact
on
the
the
traffic
there
based
on
the
requirements
that
go
into
the
traffic
studies.
F
A
So
I
guess
my
my
question
is:
is
it
more
critical
to
you
all
or
write
in
or
write
out
at
that
location
for
your
business
I'm
assuming
it's
a
write-in,
but
I
don't
want
to
make
that
assumption.
I
want
to
ask
you
that
question.
A
One
yeah,
yes,
is
it
more
critical
to
your
business
for
an
entry
or
an
exit
at
that
location,
meaning
if
you
know,
there's
concern
about
traffic
and
movement,
you
know
it's
a
write-in
only
off
of
Kingston,
rather
than
a
left
turn
in
or
a
you
know,
an
exit.
What's
more
critical
to
your.
O
The
more
options
for
vehicular
movement,
the
better
we'll
fiddle
but
yeah
I-
think
we
had
to
prioritize
that
Ingress
would
be
more
important.
A
Okay
and
then
lastly,
Marta:
could
you
swing
back
to
either
rendering
or
the
elevation?
Whatever
shows
that
primary
facade.
A
Yeah,
actually
can
you
go
to
the
pro
the
Prototype
photograph
that
was
above
that
sheet
I.
Think
yeah
like
that,
will
do
oops?
Okay,
that's
good
too
so
I
know
you're.
You
know
it's
concrete
block
and
I
think
that's
that
painted
block
or
the
blue
part
is
I.
Just
you
know,
I
think
if
it's
natural
block
and
can
be
of
a
natural
material
I
think
you
had
kind
of
a
red
Hue,
concrete
block.
A
My
question
would
be
since
it
you
know
these.
The
design
guidelines
are
super
specific,
as
we've
already
heard,
but
you
know
I,
think
and
above
the
natural
of,
if
you
were
to
create
a
concrete
block
of
the
soils
around
you'd.
Probably
get
you
know
more
of
a
a
buff
color
rather
than
a
reddish,
color
and
I
would
encourage
that
to
kind
of
fit
in
with
the
area
and
just
feel
like
it's
a
more
Natural
Choice.
A
Can
you
go
to
the
LA
I?
Don't
know
which
page
it
was
that
had
the
materials
photograph
on
it
where
it
does.
O
You
know
I
I,
think
we're
open
to
I
mean
the
materials
we're
showing
is
that
split
face
blog
there's
the
metal
painted
component?
There's
the
glass,
those
the
exterior
materials
that
we're
posing
as
far
as
color
towns,
we're
open
to
to
looking
at
pallets
that
we
think
that
the
community
thinks
is
complementary
to
the
streetscape
error,
so
I
I
don't
know
if,
if
the
samples
we
provided,
you
know
for
to
be
totally
honestly,
they
were
kind
of
an
example.
O
Okay,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
kind
of
absolute
vision
just
yet,
but
would
would
love
input
on
on
color.
A
A
Okay,
well,
I,
don't
think
we're
at
ons
with
that,
then
I
I
mean
I
would
say.
If
it's
a
brick
I
would
say
that
reddish
color
makes
sense,
CMU
I'm,
you
know
just
I,
don't
think
that's
quite
appropriate.
So
if
that's
could
be
left
out,
that's
great!
So
I
guess.
Just
to
summarize,
you
know
I'd
love
to
talk
about
building
orientation,
but
the
design
guidelines
aren't
as
specific.
You
do
have
an
entry
off
of
the
street
that
leads
to
your
publicly
accessible
space
and
I.
A
You
know
I,
think,
given
that
you
know
the
the
washing
or
the
vacuum
spaces
are
needed
for
the
business
I.
Don't
think
that
that
is
out
of
the
realm
I
think
if
you
could
investigate
addressing
the
community
concerns
by
limiting,
maybe
potentially
removing,
but
at
least
limiting
the
Kingston
entrance.
That
would
be
probably
in
favor
of
everyone.
J
A
You
and
with
that
I'll
just
ask
if
they're
there's
someone
from
the
panel
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion
again
it's
to
approve,
approve
with
conditions
or
to
not
approve.
D
Okay,
I
move
that
we
approve
the
design
subject
to
comments
from
the
staff
as
it
relates
to
several
items,
one
of
which
is.
D
A
submission
of
final
samples
and
colors
be
provided
to
the
staff
that
the
revised
elevations
represent.
What's
actually
happening
on
this
particular
site,
including
the
signage
size
and
location,
on
the
building
that
that
we
receive,
and
it
would
be
subject
to
a
review
by
the
Department
of
Public
Works
at
the
appropriate
time,
dealing
with
the
access
and
or
egress
to
Kingston,
Road
and
verification
that
a
drive-by
Lane
is
not
required
by
the
county.
D
And
that
there'd
be
Clarity
around
the
site,
lighting,
that's
other,
on
that's
not
shown
on
the
building
itself.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I'll
just
pause
here
and
just
ask.
If
there
are
any
discussions,
I
don't
have
any
I
think
that
motion's
pretty
clear
anyone
else
on
the
panel
before
I
ask
for
a
second.
A
Mr
Connell
I'll
defer
to
you.
As
you
stated
the
motion.
Do
you
think
this
could
be
done
outside
of
a
return
to
the
Erp
panel,
just
with
staff.
A
Okay
and
so
I
will
now
ask
for
a
second
to
the
motion.
That's
on
the
table.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Stevens.
Okay,
with
that
second
I'll,
ask
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye.
E
B
A
Okay,
that's
very
good.
The
motion
carries
thank
you.
Thanks
for
bearing
with
our
questions
and
now
we
will
move
on
to
item
number
three.
A
Q
Good
evening,
everyone
thanks
for
getting
our
project
onto
your
docket
here
this
evening.
My
name
is
Ian
zakoski
I'm,
a
project
architect
for
the
green
turtle.
This
is
a
an
existing
structure
that
was
built
in
the
50s
I,
believe
it
last
served
as
a
pizza
restaurant
on
the
ground
floor.
Second
floor
has
been
vacant
for
some
time
and
I
believe
the
priorities
was
in
office.
Q
The
green
turtle
is
leasing
this
entire
building
and
they're
going
to
bring
a
restaurant
bar
to
both
levels
of
the
building
and
it
never
to
gain
some
outdoor
space,
which
is
really
the
Crux
of
our
projects.
Here
we
are
proposing
to
remove
a
portion
of
the
second
floor
of
the
building,
essentially
pulling
the
second
floor,
facade
back
to
create
outdoor
patio
space,
elevated
above
the
street
level,
here
that
that
that
space
up
up
there
was
it's
approximately
1200
square
feet.
Q
People
be
out
there
seasonally,
as
as
the
web
permits,
of
course,
the
the
new
exterior
wall.
Up
on
that
second
floor,
we'll
have
a
few
overhead
doors
and
a
storefront
type
system.
Q
Q
So
these
are
really
a
red
window
kind
of
treatments
and
that's
all
staying
the
building
on
the
exterior
will
receive
some
new
finishes:
the
portion
of
the
building
to
the
South
and
at
the
rear
of
the
building.
It's
stucco
with
a
little
bit
of
exposed,
CMU
A3
in
places
the
stucco
will
be
repaired.
It's
cracking
and
curating
a
few
places
it'll
be
painted
and
the
rest
of
the
rear
of
the
building
will
be
painted.
Also
the
front
of
the
building
the
Brick's
going
to
remain.
Q
Q
Q
Hardy
plank
type
products
that'll
be
painted
the
all
the
metal
products
and
systems
on
the
building
so
such
as
the
canopy
there's
this
a
metal
cladding
system
beneath
these
overhead
doors
on
the
ground
level,
that'll
be
painted,
as
well
as
any
of
the
storefront
systems
or
and
doors
side
and
down
on
the
ground
level,
and
we're
also
proposing
to
put
some
signage
up
on
the
existing
canopy
and
a
a
a
turtle,
a
green
turtle
that
will
be
installed
at
this
stair
tower.
Q
So
look
for
any
questions
or
comments.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
As
before
we
move
on
to
the
DRP
Commons
I'll
ask
smart.
If
there
are
any
speakers
from
the
public
for
this
project,.
C
A
C
C
32-4-2382B
and
section
32-4-204
f
for
partner
county
code,
which
establishes
the
requirement
of
any
development
in
downtown.
Let's
try
to
review
by
the
department
count
by
the
Baltimore
County
design
review
panel.
The
stuff
Republican
followed
the
bathroom
currently
zoning
regulations,
quad
references
to
the
project,
confirmnesses
regulations
at
set.
Fourth
in
section
plus
39,
that's
16,
downtown
district.
C
So
in
regards
to
environmental
sustainability,
staff
recommends
approval
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
indicate
how
the
proposed
design
will
complex
the
elite
or
mgbs
standards
number
two
provide
roof,
top
patio
plans
which
play
a
part
in
preventing
air
pollution,
reducing
the
heat
island
effect
and
adding
Green
Space
to
provide
relief
from
the
adult
environment
in
terms
of
block
configuration,
site,
design
and
parking.
C
Nothing
new
is
proposed,
so
there
are
no
comments
in
terms
of
downtown
open
space,
stuff
requirements,
approval
of
the
proposed
open
space
object
of
the
following
conditions:
number
one
provide
calculation
and
show
on
the
plan.
The
open
space
requirement
of
five
percent
of
gross
average
of
the
development
site
number
two
clarify
if
any
coverage
is
being
proposed
to
the
outdoor
patio
to
provide
details
for
proposed
other
patio
furniture
to
ensure
space
for
plants.
Number
three
provide
bike
racks
on
the
street
level
in
terms
of
building
principle.
C
Architectures
staff
recommends
approval
of
your
proposed
architecture,
but
for
building
materials,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
building
materials
and
same
for
lighting
staff,
recommends
approval
of
the
lighting
and
for
signage
staff
requirements,
approval
of
applicable,
astonished,
subject
to
the
following
condition:
provide
drawings
to
show
relationships
between
the
proposed
Green,
Turtle
sign
and
the
existing
Street
trees
and
street
lights.
Signage
should
be
located
and
designed
to
avoid
conflicts
with
this
existing
Street
trees
and
street
lights,
and
this
concludes
the
staff
report.
A
Very
good,
thank
you
Marta,
so
we'll
move
through
the
panel
comments
questions
at
this
time.
Let's
start
with
Kelly.
H
I
agree
with
the
staff
comments
specifically
or
checking.
H
With
number
two
on
environmental
sustainability
provide
rooftop
patio
plants
which
play
of
heart
in
preventing
air
pollution,
reducing
the
heat
island
effect
and
adding
Green
Space,
as
well
as
a
plan
that
supports
that
everything
else.
I
agree
with.
There's
nothing
new
is
being
proposed.
D
Yes,
I,
don't
have
any
major
concerns
whatsoever
other
than
the
question
of
how
the
roof
drains
of
this
open.
E
K
Q
For
the
project,
not
only
for
the
patio
but
the
rest
of
the
building,
so
the
the
we
have
to
essentially
create
a
new
roof
behind
what
will
be
a
a
parapet
to
to
create
and
to
enclose
this
patio
space.
We
will
have
free
wall
scuppers
and
the
the
scoppers
were
drained
down
onto
a
gutter
which
will
be
located
just
above
the
existing
canopy.
So
it's
not!
That
portion
isn't
really
observable
from
the
street
and
then
the
that
that
gutter
will
drain
off.
Q
Q
So
the
biggest
evidence
that
we'll
see
in
that
is
just
some
some
new
down
down
spot
downspouts,
leading
leading
off
of
this
canopy
and
you
may
be
able
to
see
some
some
of
the
pictures.
So
these
these
downspouts
kind
of
hug,
the
building,
not
the
canopy,
so
they're
they're,
not
really
sticking
out
per
se.
D
And
the
intent
thank
you
and
the
intent
is
to
keep
that
existing
portion
of
that
existing
brick
wall
as
the
front
of
the
canopy.
Q
Yeah,
yes,
that's
exactly
right,
so
we
we
knew.
We
had.
I
Q
Have
of
course
you
have
to
have
a
guard
rail
on
the
on
this
patio,
so
hey,
let's
just
keep
the
wall
at
a
little
bit
more
than
three
feet
high
and
that
that
will
act
as
a
garden.
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
more
attractive
than
having
a
metal
railing.
There.
D
Right
no
I
understand
that's
my
only
question
thanks.
A
Okay,
thank
you
Mr
Sharma
Raj.
Would
you
like
to
go
next.
E
Sure
I
mean
Donald
kind
of
I'm
just
going
to
rubber
stamp
what
he
said,
because
that
that
was
really
my
concern
pertaining
to
the
the
the
the
the
wood
tile
decking,
that's
going
to
be
on
that
on
that
roof
assembly
and
how
drainage
was
going
to
happen
and
I
I
guess
when
you
mentioned
something
about
the
scuppers
well,
the
scuppers
I
mean.
Are
they
indicated
on
on
the
on
that
East
Elevation
or
not.
Q
No
I
don't
believe
they
were
on
on
this
one,
but
we
can.
We
could
certainly
follow
up
to
show
that,
but
we're
looking
to
minimize
the
visual
impact
of
this.
We
prefer
it
to
be
as
Loki
and
as
invisible
as
we
can
make
it.
Okay.
E
I
know
I
understand
that
as
long
as
you're
dealing
with
it
and
and
you're
going
to
handle
it
and
and
in
the
best
of
ways
the
only
concern
for
me
is
there,
there
will
be
water
going
below
that
wood
deck
surface
onto
the
roof
and
how
is
it
going
to
be
handled
in
the
best
of
ways?
That's
all!
Yes,.
A
Okay,
I
think
I'm
up
yeah
I
mean
I
I
think
this
will
be
a
great
Improvement
I
think
your
choice
of
materials
is
quite
nice
and
the
color
scheme
is,
you
know,
I,
think
quite
appropriate
relative
to
the
brand,
but
also
fits
within
the
York
streetscape.
Quite
well.
A
So
it's
nice
to
see
this
area
being
revitalized.
It's
my
main
question
is
related
to
bike
parking
and
if
you
have
space
to
accommodate
that
you
know,
can
you
accommodate
that?
My
other
only
comment
is
looking
at
Google
and
I
think
from
July
2022
so
fairly
recent
Street
image
here
those
trees,
look
pretty
beat
up
and
not
doing
so
well
and
I
I,
don't
know
how
many
are
along
your
Frontage.
It
might
only
be
two
so
I
lost
my
right.
Yeah.
J
A
Would
yeah
I
would
highly
encourage
those
to
be
replaced
if
that's
in
the
purview
of
the
developer,
to
replace
I
mean
it
looks
like
you
know,
the
streetscape
was
per
the
Towson
standard.
It
has
the
brick
edging
and
Concrete
and
brick,
and
that
looks
in
pretty
good
shape,
but
those
trees
are
just
suffering
so
I
would
say
as
part
of
the
revitalization.
That
picture
looks
nice
compared
to
what
they
actually
look
like.
H
E
A
Q
The
bike
park
is
what
makes
me
concerned
with,
so
you
know
it's.
The
sidewalk
here
is
narrowing
as
you
go
down
as
you
move
Southward
here
and
at
one
point
well,
the
best
available
spot
for
the
bike
parking
is
on
an
incline
and
that's
evident,
but
in
the
photo
lab
that
you
have
there
on
the
screen
in.
B
Q
Google
street
view,
but
the
biggest
concern
I
have
is
that
well
that
that
sidewalk,
it's
about
nine
or
ten
feet
between
our
front
wall
and
that
last
planter
before
the
driveway.
Q
You
know
my
concern
is
just
choking
down
the
sidewalk.
This
is
a
busy
sidewalk.
You
know,
we've
been
there
a
number
of
times
there
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
usage.
There
I
think
there's
a
bus
stop
up
up
on
that
North
corner
there
at
Chesapeake
and
York,
so
yeah
we're
just
kind
of
that's
just
my
concern
is
impeding
the
sidewalk
or
choking
a
sidewalk
down
between
our
building
wall
and
the
all
the
the
stuff.
Q
That's
on
the
sidewalk
between
the
planter
to
the
trash
can
there's
another
planter
up
the
road
there.
We
certainly
don't
have
a
problem
with
putting
in
a
bike
bike
rack,
but
I
just
had
a
little
concern
with
with
the
available
space.
A
Yeah
I
appreciate
the
you
know:
pedestrian
access.
J
A
Q
A
It's
you
know
pretty
vital,
even
if
it's
not
on
the
public
sidewalk,
you
know
out
front.
If
there
is
a
space,
that's
well
lit
that
could
be
for
employees
and
bike
parking.
Given
the
constraints
on
the
on
the
York
Road
side
I.
Would
you
know
encourage
that.
B
A
I
think
that's
all
I
have
are
the
trees
and
the
bike
parking.
So
with
that
I'll
ask
one
of
my
pan
fellow
panel
members
to
make
a
motion
again.
It's
approve
approved
with
conditions
or
not
approve.
E
I
make
a
motion
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
with
conditions
the
incorporating
trees
replacement
and
and
how
we
and
the
bike
parking
to
some
degree,
whether
that's
with
when
the
exterior
or
the
interior
of
the
building.
A
A
All
right,
I'll
just
ask
if
there's
any
debate
amongst
or
other
further
questions
from
the
panelists.
D
I
would
suggest
again
with
the
staff
that
the
design
team
provide
a
thought
out
elevation
of
the
front
that
shows
the
drainage
so
that
how
that
gets
resolved
is
as
sensitive
as
the
rest
of
the
project.
D
I
think
it
can
be
done.
The
way
you're
headed
for
sure
but
I
think
having
you
know
an
elevation
of
that
to
satisfy
the
that
there's
no
strange
conditions
coming
out
of
it
I
think
would
help.
A
Right
very
good.
Okay.
That
sounds
good
with
that
on
the
table.
I'll
ask
for
a
second
of
the
motion.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
A
All
right
so
sorry,
I
I'll,
ask
for
the
eyes
again
just
to
go
through
them.
So
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
on
the
table.
B
A
Think
that
was
everyone
I
think
I
missed
someone,
but
the
motion
carries
because
we
have
I
heard
four,
at
least
so.
Thank
you
all
for
hanging
with
us
tonight
and
I.
Have
one
more
order
of
business
is
if
there
is
nothing
further
from
staff.
I'd
I'd
like
to
ask
for
a
motion
from
the
panelists
to
adjourn
the
meeting.
A
Right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
all
volunteering
and
with
that
any
opposed,
and
none
and
heard
the
motion
carries.
Thank
you
very
much.