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A
Baltimore
county
design
review
panel
is
called
to
order.
I'm
the
chair,
cecily
bedwell
and
we'll
start
with
a
roll
call
roll
call
to
account
for
the
members
of
the
panel.
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
say
I
kellyannis.
B
Leslie
kelly
is
not
joining
us
that
she
had
emergency
and
she
will
be
not
joining
us
today.
Sorry,
I
forgot
to
mention
it
to
you.
C
A
Thank
you,
ms
wrong.
D
B
Yes,
but
there
are
no
missed
nester.
I
think
someone
just
joined
us
as
a
panelist.
F
A
That's
okay,
we'll
check
you
in
for
the
roll
call.
Lastly,
mystery
superior
joseph
youssefero
he's
not.
B
Attending
today,
as
also
they
both
replied
earlier,
that
they
unfortunately
have
a
conflict
for
today.
So.
A
Okay,
very
good,
so
I
have
donald
khan.
I
have
matt
renault.
I
have
raj
sharma,
julie,
sauce
and
myself,
so
we're
all
set
with
a
quorum.
Thank
you
for
that
and
as
far
as
the
agenda
today,
marta
are
there
any
changes.
A
Yeah,
okay
in
the
may
2nd
2022
email.
The
panel
received
the
draft
minutes
of
the
april
13th
2022
meeting.
Has
everyone
had
the
opportunity
to
review
the
draft
minutes
and
if
there
are
no
corrections
or
addition,
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
for
the
minutes.
D
A
Okay
and
then
we'll
just
do
a
roll
call,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
D
A
Heard
three
eyes-
and
that
is
the
majority
so
we'll
take
that
as
the
motion
carries.
Thank
you
and
now
I'll
go
through
our
opening
statement.
Those
of
you
who
have
heard
this
multiple
times.
This
is
a
maybe
a
three
minute
timeout
for
you
all,
but
I
will
read
this
for
those
who
are
just
attending
for
the
first
time
so
title
for
subtitle
two
part:
one
sections:
thirty,
four:
thirty,
two
dash
four
dash,
two
o
three
and
32-4-204
establish
the
design
review
panel,
otherwise
known
as
the
drp.
A
The
objective
for
the
drp's
assessment
includes
spatial,
visual
and
functional
relationships
to
the
topography,
the
natural
and
built
features
of
the
site,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
features,
visual
and
functional
integration
of
streetscapes,
pedestrian
ways,
playgrounds,
recreational
amenities
and
parks,
streets
and
sidewalks
that
they're
laid
out
in
a
safe
and
convenient
manner
and
are
a
positive
design
element.
Building
parking
garages
and
other
structures
are
spatially
and
visually
integrated
and
suitable
to
their
surroundings
and
proportion.
A
Maps
and
type
of
materials
and
colors
signage
and
other
elements
of
urban
design
and
plant
materials
are
selected
and
cited
to
define
the
site,
provide
a
theme
frame,
review,
enhanced
architecture
and
street
character,
improve
the
micro
climate,
improve,
provide
transition
between
dissimilar
uses,
screen,
objectionable
views
and
uses
and
reduce
noise
levels
and
glare
in
carrying
out
its
duties.
The
erp
utilizes
the
guidelines,
plans
and
architectural
principles
in
the
comprehensive
plan
of
development
policies
and
or
master
plan,
as
well
as
other
guidelines
and
regulations
that
are
adopted
into
law.
A
Certain
areas
of
the
county
were
designated
to
the
by
the
county
council
to
require
review
by
the
drp.
The
panel
will
provide
a
technical
review
of
the
proposed
project
issues
relative
to
zoning
setback,
relief,
environmental
and
stormwater
management
and
traffic
regulations
do
not
fall
under
the
purview
of
the
drp
and
are
regulated
through
the
appropriate
agencies
responsible
for
those
aspects
of
the
development
plan
review
process.
A
The
panel
consists
of
nine
members
all
are
professionals
with
practical
knowledge.
In
the
matter
of
design.
For
the
purposes
of
making
recommendations
on
a
particular
project,
three
members
shall
constitute
a
quorum.
The
attendance
and
comments
of
each
member
will
be
recorded
in
the
minutes,
which
shall
be
an
open
record
and
available
along
with
all
of
the
documents
submitted
to
the
panel
for
inspection
and
copying
by
the
public.
There
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
offer
comments
and
suggestions
at
the
conclusion
of
the
applicant's
presentation.
A
These
comments
will
also
be
included
in
the
written
record
of
a
meeting
when
a
speaker
is
called
to
speak.
Please
keep
your
comments
focus
and
on
design
perspectives.
Within
your
allotted
two
minutes
time.
If
you
are
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
community
group,
you
will
receive
five
minutes
at
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting.
The
department
of
planning
will
sum
up
the
recommendations.
The
panel
before
a
motion
for
a
vote
is
suggested.
A
Recent
legislation
has
changed
the
panel's
recommendations
to
the
advisory
on
the
hearing
officer
and
on
the
various
county
agencies.
Unless
the
hearing
officer
agencies
find
that
the
panel's
actions
constitute
an
abuse
of
its
discretion
or
are
unsupported
by
the
documentation
and
evidence
presented,
disposition
of
the
plan
submission
will
be
determined
as
either
approved,
approved
with
conditions
or
additional
review
of
the
second
meeting.
A
Being
required,
thank
you
for
that
and
now
we
will
move
on
to
our
agenda,
which
is
three
items
tonight:
607,
frederick
road,
8822,
bel,
air,
road
and
40,
west
chesapeake
avenue
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
first
item,
which
is
607,
frederick
road,
and
this
is
a
resubmittal,
so
presenter.
The
floor
is
yours
to
present,
although,
since
the
panel
has
reviewed
this
previously,
you
can,
you
know,
slim
down
on
the
existing
conditions
and
focus
on
the
revisions.
H
I'm
here
to
to
talk
about
607,
frederick
road,
which
is
a
gas
station
in
which
they're
going
to
add
a
car
wash
to
it,
and
I
guess
marta
you
gonna
move
to
the
presentation.
I
H
Okay,
so
once
again,
this
is
a
gas
station.
That's
existing
there
at
607,
frederick
road.
H
The
canopy
has
been
converted
over
there
they're
changing
over
from
what
used
to
be
a
bp
station
to
a
ground
station
and
the
canopy's
been
converted.
And
if
you
go
to
the
next
one
murder.
H
That's
just
another
picture
of
stuff
on
the
on
the
site:
a
building
that's
going
to
be
removed.
Next,
please
just
a
picture
down
the
side
street,
which
is
bishop
lane
next
morning,.
H
Picture
in
the
back
there,
that's
the
wooden
fence
that
runs
along
the
back
of
the
station
and
that's
bishop's
lane
in
the
background
and
then
some
houses
on
the
far
back
thanks.
Please.
H
Once
again,
a
picture
looking
down
the
back
line
of
the
gas
station
with
the
house,
that's
behind
it!
The
white
house
on
the
left.
The
gas
station
is
on
the
right
with
the
green
roof.
Next,
please.
H
H
H
H
Jiffy
lube,
which
is
across
the
street
just
to
the
west
of
the
site,
next,
some
more
commercial
buildings
that
are
west
of
the
jiffy
lube
bank
and
some
other
retail
state
spaces.
H
H
This
is
the
location
where
the
car
wash
is
gonna
go
just
behind
that
red
box.
There
is
where
the
building's
approximately
going
to
be
next.
H
H
The
aerial
of
the
of
the
site,
the
gas
station
right
in
the
middle,
it's
blccc,
the
canopy
at
the
top,
the
building
at
the
at
the
bottom
of
this
particular
picture,
bishop's
lane
on
the
right
and
frederick
road
on
the
north.
H
H
Just
an
aerial
of
it
showing
the
same
thing:
gas
station
convenience
store
in
the
back
canopy
in
the
front,
frederick
road
running
across
the
top
bishop's,
laying
on
the
right
side
of
the
site
headed
down
to
the
south.
Next.
H
The
canopy
and
the
gas
pumps
are
staying
the
same,
the
car
wash
building
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
site,
the
stacking
for
the
car
works
runs
behind
the
building
the
building,
basically
in
the
bottom
center.
Just
above
the
stacking
is,
is
a
convenience
store,
that's
going
to
be
just
a
new
new
face,
lift
putting
on
it
just
some
general
cleanup
renovations
of
the
exterior.
H
And
a
little
bit
of
reconfiguring
of
the
site,
but
pretty
much
it's
going
to
stay
like
it
is.
H
One
of
the
comments
was
in
regards
to
showing
the
curves
that
would
be
in
put
in
place
along
the
west
side
in
front
of
the
car
wash
towards
frederick
to
more
clearly
delineate
the
landscaping
area
and
then
also
on
the
northeast
corner.
There,
where
I
added
the
the
curves
to
more
clearly
delineate
the
landscape
areas
on
that
side
as
well.
H
H
And
this
is
the
landscape
plan.
That's
proposed
a
schematic
landscape
plan,
basically
trying
to
create
some
green
space
where
there
isn't
any
along
frederick
and
bishop
plain
and
then
behind
the
site.
Where
you
could
see
along
the
fence.
There
was
nothing
we're
putting
a
lot
of
landscaping
in
on
that
area
as
well.
H
C
H
This
is
where
we're
getting
to
the
major
crux
of
the
changes
of
the
architect,
bringing
plant
up
to
the
speed
with
the
correct
color
scheme
and
signage
and
making
everything
look
better.
E
I
mean
how
about
in
the
meantime,
just
in
the
expedience
of
time.
You
know
if
you'd
like
to,
I
don't
know,
maybe
cecily.
Could
I
suggest
that
you
just
highlight
what
the
conditions
were
for
them
to
come
back
and
then,
when
we
do
get
the
presentation
up,
we
could
just
address
those
conditions
and
how
you
you've,
wreck.
How
you
have
you
know
worked
to
in
this
recent
middle
to
make
those
changes.
C
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
use
of
time.
Give
me
just
one
moment
I'll
get
to
that.
A
Okay,
so
the
disposition
from
the
last
meeting
was
one
review
and
comply
with
the
conditions
in
the
department
of
planning
staff
report
dated
april
13.
2022
go
back
to
that
as
well.
Number
two
was
clearly
show
the
colors
that
are
being
proposed
on
the
building
elevations.
I
think
we
will
be
seeing
that
number
three.
The
architectural
elevation
should
be
coordinating
consistent
and
consistent
with
the
site
plan.
Specifically
the
car
wash
door
locations
for
the
curbing
at
the
exit
of
the
drive-through
should
be
shown,
and,
let's
see
I'm
not.
A
A
A
E
E
So
with
the
staff
report,
some
of
the
things
that
we
had
pointed
out,
but
there
was
discrepancy
on
the
the
well.
There
was
issue
with
the
drive-through
behind
the
convenience
store
and
the
utilities
we
wanted
to
label
where
the
relocated
utilities
would
go.
E
We
had
concerns
with
the
two
parking
spaces
near
the
exit
point
of
the
car
wash
and
that
there
were
also
there's
parking
requirements
for
14
spaces
and
only
12
are
being
shown
and
that
bike
racks
should
be
provided
per
section.
409.14.
A
Thank
you,
jen.
That
was
good
summary.
So
we'll
turn
it
back
to
you
now
miss
richardson,
with
the
with
the
graphics
now
back
up
on
screen.
H
Great
so,
as
you
can
see,
the
the
architect
has
brought
in
the
the
crown
colors
signage
and
is
now
reflecting
the
the
up-to-date
coordinated
plan
with
the
garage
doors
or
the
overhead
doors
for
the
car
works
being
located.
Where
they're
supposed
to
be.
H
H
On
the
bottom
and
the
the
canopy
which
is
staying
on
the
top
right
next.
H
And
here
are
the
actual
building
elevations.
You
can
see
the
signage,
the
colors,
which
is
all
going
to
be
that
crown
blue,
as
you
can
see
in
the
canopy
in
the
picture
and
then
also
in
the
sign
and.
H
H
H
So
to
highlight
some
of
the
the
changes.
Obviously
the
the
color
scheme
has
been
been
changed
to
match.
What's
going
to
be
done,
the
architectural
stuff
has
been
coordinated
some
of
the
questions
in
there
in
regards
to
landscaping.
We
have
provided
landscaping
to
the
extent
possible
on
the
site.
H
If
you
look
back
at
one
of
the
pictures
along
the
front,
you
can
see
that
it's
sidewalk
right
up
to
the
curb
and
then
the
the
drive
area
for
cars
getting
gas
right
there.
So
there
is
no
there's
no
opportunity
to
put
landscaping
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
but
we
have
created
a
at
least
a
10
foot
landscape
strip
along
the
other
portions
of
the
site.
H
Obviously
they
were
going
for
a
signing
hearing
on
this
case
to
get
a
new
special
exception
for
the
car
wash,
and
we
will
also
be
requesting
a
parking
variance
for
two
spaces
to
to
go
to
12
from
14,
that's
required
in
regards
to
the
two
two
spaces
out
at
the
end
of
the
car
wash
there,
the
car
wash
is
required
to
have
two
two
spaces
for
drying,
and
we
see
those
spaces
is
primarily
used
for
that
purposes.
H
So
that's
why
there's
two
spaces
there.
We
don't
think
that's
a
problem
with
the
car
wash
car
wash.
This
is
a
rollover
car
wash,
so
vehicles
will
be
exiting
out
of
here
at
the
maximum
rate
of
about
one
for
every
90
seconds
to
two
minutes,
so
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
create
any
kind
of
problem
with
people
parking
and
or
leaving
out
of
there
and
running
into
the
gas
station
where
the
the
car
wash
people
who
are
exiting
there.
H
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
I
didn't,
I
didn't
add
one,
but
we
will
definitely
add
a
bike
rack
as
people
have
suggested,
but
it's
now
suggested
very
strongly.
I
guess
so
the
where
we'll
add
a
bike
rack
to
the
pro
to
the
plan.
A
Well,
thank
you,
mr
richardson,
and
at
this
time
the
floor
will
be
open
for
public
input,
input
and
or
feedback
from
the
community.
Just
to
note,
if
you
are
representing
community
group,
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
speak.
Those
who
do
not
represent
a
community
group
will
only
have
two
minutes
to
speak
martial
are
there
any
speakers
sign
up.
A
Okay,
thank
you
well
nobody's
queued
up
then
marta.
Would
you
please
read
the
staff
report.
I
A
B
B
Yes
perfect?
So,
as
always,
we
prepared
our
staff
report
based
on
the
comprehensive
manual
of
development
policies.
The
kittens
will
plan
in
bathroom
county
landscape
manual
so
for
the
site,
design
staff
cannot
recommend
approval
of
the
site.
Design
subject
to
the
following.
The
site
plan
as
proposed
is
not
complete
with
labeled
information.
B
B
Labeled
on
the
planet,
where
all
of
the
existing
utilities
for
the
convenience
store
will
be
located.
Second
condition:
the
two
parking
spaces
proposed
near
the
exit
point
of
the
car
wash
would
be
problematic.
B
B
B
I
think
it's
better
now,
so
in
terms
of
streets,
parking
and
circulation
staff
recommends
approval
with
the
following
conditions:
number
one:
the
two
parking
spaces
proposed
near
the
exit
point
of
the
car
wash
could
be
problematic.
B
B
In
terms
of
signage
and
lighting,
staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
condition:
provide
details
for
the
proposed
building,
sign
and
in
terms
of
architectural
design.
Staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
show
all
of
the
existing
conditions
for
the
convenience
store.
The
proposed
car
bus
drive
through
is
located
behind
the
convenience
store,
where
all
of
the
utilities
are
currently
located
label
on
the
plan
where
all
of
the
existing
utilities
for
the
convenience
store
will
be
located,
and
this
concludes
our
staff
report.
A
Thank
you,
martin.
I
appreciate
that.
I
may
ask
just
one
question
of
clarification.
It
says
it
must
meet
the
required
amenity
space
requirements
is.
Is
there
any
further
detail
on
that
that
you
can
share
with
the
panel
before
we.
B
Yes,
and
I
believe
it
can
explore
a
little
bit
more
on
that
there
is
specific
requirements
and
I
believe
the
there
is
a
shortage
on
that
eric.
If
you
could
please
remind
me,
what
is
the
required
amenity
open
space.
C
H
B
K
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
for
that
marches.
Now,
we'll
open
it
up
to
the
panel
for
discussion
just
go
through
and
start
with.
Mr
khan,.
D
I
guess
my
concerns
are
the
question
of
this
driving
behind
the
building
and
the
issue
of
the
utilities
that
are
there,
there's
no
indication,
and
I
think
we
saw
in
the
photographs
what
was
there
there's
no
indication
of
how
that
is
going
to
be
resolved
and
I'd
like
to
hear
about
that,
and
that's
primarily
my
concern
about
the
site
circulation.
I
also
think
those
two
spaces
in
front
of
the
car
wash
are
are
problematic.
A
D
H
D
H
That
was
the
intention,
so
no,
I
don't
see
it
there.
It
should
be
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
elevation
right
there,
that's
the
back
side
of
the
building.
It
should
show
the
units
in
there.
A
H
Mr
gorman
who's,
the
architect,
is
actually
on
the
call.
Maybe
he
can
elaborate
better.
D
One
other
question
too:
this
side
of
the
car
wash
that
faces
into
the
site
shows
what
could
like
some
pattern,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
material
is.
It
looks
like
they
could
be
window
scale,
but
is
it
clear
what
that
material
is.
I
H
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
khan.
Let's
see
we'll
move
on
to
matt
reynold.
G
Thanks
cecily,
this
is
my
first
time
seeing
it.
So
some
of
my
comments
might
be
a
little
bit
repetitive
from
the
last
time,
but
I
do
echo
donald's
comments
about
the
utilities.
G
I
do
think
we're
going
to
need
to
see
those
on
the
building.
I
do
have
concerns
about
the
two
parking
spaces
at
the
exit
and
also
the
exit
out
of
the
car
wash
cars
are
gonna,
be
coming
right
in
at
the
as
users
are
coming
into
the
property.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
going
to
be
a
stop
sign
or
some
signage
there
to
stop
users
from
coming
out
of
the
car
wash
something
like
that,
but
it
seems
like
there
could
be
some
conflicts
there,
the
dumpster
location.
G
You
know,
I
think
that
a
lot
of
effort's
been
put
into
the
facades
of
the
the
building
in
the
architecture,
but
the
the
dumpster
just
kind
of
looks
like
an
afterthought,
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
very
high
quality
type
of
installation.
So
I
would
recommend
a
higher
quality
treatment
to
tie
that
in
with
the
the
building.
G
G
G
And
then
just
on
the
site
plan,
you
know
on
all
of
the
existing
conditions.
Besides
the
utilities
they're,
obviously,
with
the
service
station
there's
a
lot
of
other
equipment,
the
the
vacuums,
the
hoses,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
just
aren't
showing
up
on
the
site
plan.
So
you
know,
if
we're
low
on
open
space
area,
I
would
assume
that
those
elements
are
going
to
be
placed
in
the
landscape
areas
which
would
further
impact
that
number
and
it
would
be
nice
to
see
where
those
elements
are
going
on
the
site
plan.
A
C
A
I
think
one
of
the
comments
was
that
the
building
elevation
didn't
show
the
alignment
that
the
exit
door
was
offset.
So
that's
one
thing
we
discussed,
I
think
we
did
discuss
the
dumpster
location
and
the
the
aesthetics
of
it,
but
it
wasn't
a
specific
motion
that
we
had.
I
don't
remember
anything
else
with
the
exit
of
them.
Those
were
the
primary
concerns
and
conversations.
A
Anything
further,
mr
sharma,
oh
okay,
thank
you
and
miss
sauce
if
you're
on
and
you're
up
next.
F
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
question
and
concern
about
the
safety
at
the
back
of
the
building.
I
don't
see
any
wall
pack
lights
or
anything
on
the
existing
store.
A
F
Sorry,
if
I
missed
your
explanation
of
that
due
to
my
computer
issues-
and
I
know
there's
a
residential-
you
know-
there's
houses
right
behind
there,
so
we
don't
want
to
light
it
up,
but
I'm
familiar
with
the
area-
and
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
trash
in
issues
with
vagrants
in
the
area.
So
I
just
have
safety
concerns
for
that
back
area.
H
I
don't
believe
there
is.
You
could
look
back
at
the
pictures.
I
don't
know
if
I
got
a
good
enough
picture
of
the
back
of
the
building
or
not.
F
A
Thank
you,
miss
sauce.
Let's
see,
I
think
I'm
just
going
back
through
my
list,
because
I
think
everyone
what
else
was
out.
So
you
know
I
I
still
you
know
I
still
do
have
the
concern,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
the
bike
racks
will
be
installed.
I
think
that's
a
condition.
A
I
don't
know
if
having
those
two
spots
near
the
exit
of
the
car
wash
if
they
could
be
reserved
for
car
wash,
I
guess
patrons
only
that
that
might
be
a
solution
to
limiting
the
conflicts
and
the
timing
there.
I
don't
know
if
that
would
then
affect
your
parking
further.
If
those
spots
are
reserved
for
that.
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
you
know,
is
there
drying
equipment,
vacuum
or
vacuum
equipment
planned
for
those
two
spots
at
the
exit
of
the
drive-through.
A
H
Because
we
are
already
short
of
parking
and
if
we
add,
if
we
had
vacuums,
they
require
a
parking
space
as
well.
So.
A
And
I
think
beyond
that
I
mean
I
think
my
colleagues
discussion
points
and
that
the
staff
report
hit
on
all
of
the
the
issues
that
were
mentioned.
So
I
will
see
if
that
nobody
else
has
any
other
comments.
Then
I'd
like
to
see
if
someone
on
the
panel
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
A
I
mean
I
think
that
would
be
for
other
county
staff
reviewing
this
to
determine
I'm
sure
that
will
go
through.
If
there
is
a
requirement,
I
mean
they
have
what
three
exit
points-
entry
exit
points-
I
don't
know-
and
I
don't
know
that
that
falls
within
our
purview
unless
you're
suggesting
it
for
site
circulation
in
particular
or
aesthetics
or
some
other.
You
know
conflict
resolution
not
just
for
a
a
requirement.
K
A
I
don't
know
if
anyone
on
the
county
staff
can
answer
that
if
that
extra,
what's
a
specific
question
for
asking,
is
there
a
sec?
Is
there
a
requirement
for
a
second
second
entry
exit
on
bishop's
lane,
with
the
suggestion
that
if
that
was
removed,
it
might
help
some
sight
circulation,
reduce
conflict
points.
E
E
Are
existing
entrances
it's
within
their
right
to
utilize
them?
The
ingress
and
egress
on
frederick
road,
which
is
the
state
road,
is
regulated
by
the
state?
A
Yeah,
I
mean
in
terms
of
it,
wouldn't
really
allow
you
just
throwing
my
thoughts
out
there.
It
wouldn't
really
allow
you
to
gain
a
parking
space.
I
don't
think
because
you'd
still
need
that
turn
to
get
into
the
car
wash
lane.
You
might
be
able
to
pick
up
one
space,
but
I
don't
think
you
would
to
you
know
get
two
out
of
it.
I'm
not
you
know,
I
don't
know
about
any.
A
It
would
increase
the
the
unpaved
space
or
you
think,
if
there
would
be
other
benefits.
H
H
I
H
Your
your
your,
I
mean
it's
not
usually
the
the
planning
department's
recommendation
of
a
variance
to
the
alj.
I
don't
think,
but
maybe.
I
H
A
And
I
I
would
say
to
my
panel
members,
you
know
if
we
are
in
as
we
have
on
other
projects
if
we
are
in
support
of
reducing
the
parking
requirement
that
we
can,
you
know
put
that
in
it's.
It's
just
an
added
benefit
actually
to
the
the
applicant,
not
a
detriment,
so
I'm
just
to
weigh
in
on
that.
I
always
you
know,
especially
with
all
of
the
movement
around
this
site,
the
amount
of
cars
already
moving
through.
I,
I
would
always
be
an
advocate
for
reducing
parking
requirements.
A
I
think
they're,
overblown
and
and
usually
based
on
very
suburbing
conditions
and
aren't
very
applicable
to
a
lot
of
the
areas
that
we
review.
So
I
would
be
in
support
of
it.
I
mean
we
can
just
go
around
the
table
here
and
ask
that
since
we
didn't
discuss
it
previously
before
we
go
to
motion
so,
mr
khan,
any
thoughts
on
that.
A
But,
mr
khan,
before
you
make
that
motion,
which
I'm
glad
you're
volunteering
for,
but
just
on
the
note
of
the
reduction
of
parking
requirements
by
two
spaces,
are
you
in
support
of
that?
Yes,
okay,
matt?
Are
you
in
support
of
that.
C
A
Is
also
here-
oh,
okay,
very
good.
Sorry,
I
thought
he
was
not
attending.
So
thank
you
for
chiming
in.
A
Okay,
well,
sorry,
when
I
did
the
roll
call
earlier,
we
did
not
hear
you,
but
do
you
have
any
okay?
So
you
are
in
support
of
the
parking
and
then
miss
sauce.
I
did
not
hear
from
you.
A
J
Well,
let's
have
another
comment,
and
that
is
we're
going
from
14
to
12.,
but
we
rick
we,
you
may
really
want
to
reassess
that
dumpster
location
and
because
it
really
is
snug
against
that
that
building
and
as
far
as
vehicular
movement
in
and
out,
and
especially
during
the
winter,
that
that's
going
to
be
a
conflict.
So
I'm
not.
J
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
I'm
saying
go
from
12
to
11
to
to
really
accommodate
that
in
in
in
the
best
fashion,
because
I
mean
that's
my
opinion
there,
but
as
far
as
the
exit
from
the
car
wash,
I
see
that
as
a
potential
conflict
with
vehicular
traffic
to
be
just
to
kind
of
you
know
just
tag
going
to
what
everyone
else
has
said.
J
I
don't
know
you
know
it's
just
it's
going
to
be
a
conflict.
I
mean
you're,
going
to
have
cars,
exits,
going
to
exit
and
they're
going
to
there's
the
propensity
of
them
trying
to
park
back
into
one
of
those
spaces
and
to
wipe
the
car
down.
Also.
So
if
you
don't
even
have
you
know
an
area
where
they
can
actually
vacuum
out
the
car
there's
going
to
be
some
that's
going
to
park
there
anyway.
But
you
know
that
that's
that's!
H
I
think
we
can
move
the
dumpster
to
the
other
side
as
it
was
suggested
and
swap
swap
out
a
parking
space
back
over
to
there
and
make
it
all
work.
J
H
I
I
I
would
hope
that
we
could
still
stay
at
12.
just
have
to
to
see
if
we
can
make
it
work
or
not.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
have
any
objection
to
that
and
in
regards
to
the
you
know
the
them
parking
I
mean
if
they
leave
and
they
want
to
park
to
dry
off
their
cars.
I
mean
that's
the
intent
of
two
parking
spaces
which
is
required
by
the
zoning
code,
so.
J
H
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
addressing
that
willingness
to
flip
the
dumpster
location.
I
think
you've
heard
from
a
number
of
folks
on
that
so
back
to
the
panel.
If
there's
someone
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion
I'd
welcome
that
at
this
time.
A
I
don't
really
want
to
fall
and
told
anyone,
but
mr
khan,
you
had
started
to
do
you
want
to
give
it
a
shot.
Then
we
can
add
on
if
we
need
to.
D
I'll
give
it
a
shot.
There
are
a
lot
of
pieces
of
this,
so
I
started
off
saying
I
would
recommend
approval
of
the
project
with
the
following
conditions
and
that's
where
it
gets
a
little
trickier,
but
with
respect
to
the
buildings,
I
think
the
architectural
issues
are
approved,
approvable,
with
the
exception
of
solving
the
information
related
to
the
mechanical
units
and
on
the
roof
and
showing
that
accurately,
also
being
more
clear
about
where
the
location
of
various
materials
are
around
the
buildings,
particularly
with
the
car
wash
building.
D
I
would
recommend
that
the
dumpster
be
relocated
to
the
other
side
of
the
convenience
store
and
that
consideration
be
given
to
the
further
consideration
be
giving
to
the
placement
of
the
car
wash
building,
whether
it
can
be
moved
back
further,
perhaps
or
in
some
other
situation,
where
the
exit
from
the
car
wash
does
not
conflict
with
the
entrance
to
the
site
and
the
continent
work
further
to
try
to
resolve
the
conflict
with
the
two
car
drying
spots
that
have
been
identified,
and
I
guess
one
other
item
would
be
the
addition
of
some
lighting
at
the
rear
of
the
convenience
building
for
security
purposes
and
safety.
A
Okay,
I
think-
and
then
I
I
think
I
would
add
on
to
that-
the
bike
racks
and
we
can
either
for
staff.
We
can
either
refer
to
your
to
your
staff
report
addressing
those
because
a
number
of
those
things
were
addressed,
the
utilities,
the
the
conflict
with
two
spaces,
the
amenities
space,
the
bike
racks-
were
all
part
of
your
staff
report,
so
we
could
do
as
we
did
before.
A
I
think
those
are
kind
of
the
two
additional
and
the
lighting
on
the
rear
of
the
building.
So
I
think
there
are
three
additions
to
your
staff
report.
That
would
be
part
of
the
motion.
D
A
Does
anybody
else
have
any
comments
before
we
move
to
to
ask
for
a
second.
G
I
B
And
cecily,
this
is
one
if
you
could
see
us
clarify
if
the
applicant
needs
to
just
submit
administrative
administrative
review
or
doing
that
he
needs
to
come
back
to
the.
A
Meeting,
mr
khan,
I
would
suggest
it's
your
motion,
but
I
would
suggest
going
for
administrative
review
at
this
point.
Since
we've
had
the
applicant
come
before
us
again
we're
getting
down
to
the
finer
grain
of
things,
but
that.
A
With
any
clarification
from
the
staff
before
we
move
to
second
any
further
clarification
needed
so
just.
B
A
A
H
L
A
A
M
M
Everybody,
my
name
is
matt
bishop,
I'm
with
kimberly
horn
and
I'll,
be
your
main
presenter
for
the
88
22
belly
road
project.
I
also
have
with
me
parma
casey,
who
is
the
owner
and
developer
and
brian
olson,
the
architect,
with
scorpio
design.
B
M
I'll
just
give
a
quick
overview:
8822
belair
road,
it's
right
on
the
southern
edge
of
the
perry
hall,
design,
review
panel
area.
M
It's
about
I'd,
say
about
a
half
a
mile
south
of
the
intersection
of
joppa
and
bel
air
road.
You
know
that
area
it
it.
The
site
is
about
two
and
a
quarter
acres,
it's
currently
being
used
by
mr
archangel's
trophia
inc
business,
which
is
a
restoration
business.
M
We
have
40
parking
spaces
and
we're
trying
to
put
a
couple
a
row
of
parking
in
the
front.
Thank
you.
Marta
that'll
be
much
easier
to
talk
to.
M
M
As
you'll
see
in
the
plan
we've
tried
to
put
visitor
customer
parking
spaces
in
the
front
single
row
and
keep
the
employees
parking
spaces
in
the
rear,
keeping
all
of
the
service
area
in
the
rear
of
the
property
as
well,
and
the
dumpster
and
enclosures
all
the
rear
property.
So
none
of
it's
visible
from
any
adjacent
neighborhoods
or
the
public
view
from
bel
air
road
and
for
storm
water.
We've
got
a
small
micro,
bio
retention
facility
out
along
bel
air
road
and
a
larger
submerged
gravel
wetland
to
the
rear.
M
M
M
M
And
this
is
just
going
north
on
bel
air
road,
an
undeveloped
side
yard
of
the
property.
Next,
please,
this
is
the
adjacent
property
going
north.
I
hear
it's
currently
starting
to
go
through
the
process
for
redevelopment
as
a
fast
food.
Quick
serve
restaurant,
so
there
is
other
activity
in
the
area,
but
this
was
an
old
building
that
has
been
raised,
and
I
think
it's
been
down
for
several
months
to
a
year
at
this
point
next,
please
and
continue
moving
north
from
bel
air
road
on
our
side
of
the
street.
M
M
I
M
M
M
M
We
have
a
one-way
circulation
around
the
building,
so
you
come
in
on
the
left-hand
side
and
you'll
circulate
around
the
back
for
service
and
come
out
on
the
north
side
on
bel
air.
There
is
two-way
traffic
in
the
front
there.
For
that
single
row
of
parking,
I
mean,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
some
parking
spaces
in
the
rear
for
employees.
M
You
can't
see
it
on
this
rendering
at
this
scale
very
well.
We
do
have
two
sitting
and
outdoor
areas
on
either
end
of
the
parking
bay
in
the
front
enough
room
for
a
couple
of
tables
and
some
chairs
just
for
some
employee
use
and
grading's
fairly
simple
stormwater.
I
mentioned
I
did
mention
before
that.
There's
a
stream
and
a
floodplain
at
the
rear
of
the
property
which
has
caused
us
to
have
to
push
things
as
far
forward
as
we
can,
but
we
are
adhering
to
that.
M
We
do
need
some
administrative
variances
for
force
buffer
impacts
and
some
other
things,
but
no
zoning
relief
necessary
we're
not
proposing
any
ground
mounted
signage.
All
the
signage
will
be
mounted
on
the
building
and
we're
not
proposing
any
sight
lighting
either,
except
for
wall
mounted
wall
packs.
At
this
time,.
M
N
Good
evening
everybody
can
anybody
hear
me:
okay,
okay,
so,
based
on
the
the
use
that
we
were
looking
at
specifically
with
the
warehouse
use,
the
business,
they
do
restoration
work
and
so
what
they
generally
store
are
people's
clothes
and
other
goods
that
have
been
damaged
by
sprinkler
water
or
fire.
Everything
like
that,
while
they
get
cleaned
and
then
they're
stored
in
bins.
So.
C
N
Has
to
be
an
insulated
envelope
for
the
storage,
so
our
strategy
is
to
use
a
insulated,
concrete,
precast
panel
wall
system
for
the
building
and
with
that
wall
panel
system,
we're
using
a
very
modern,
aesthetic,
utilizing
some
brick
patterning.
You
can
see
in
sort
of
the
darker
gray
areas.
N
Our
intention
is
to
use
an
actual
brick
imprint
pattern
in
the
excuse
me
in
the
concrete
wall
panel
in
order
to
meet
the
one
of
the
design
standards
for
utilizing
brick
on
the
facade,
the
rest
of
it
we're
looking
at
using
just
a
a
pattern,
concrete
panel
that
will
be
painted
in
the
different
color
schemes
that
you
see
there.
I
N
For
all
the
bays
that
you
see
there
and
then
the
the
far
bay
that
you
see
on
the
rendering
is
intended
to
be
the
the
retail
space
or
releasable
space.
The
middle
section
is
the
warehouse
and
then
the
section
on
the
right
is
a
two-story
space
for
the
office
space
for
service
master's
office.
So
you
can
see
on
the
floor
plan
the
two-story
layout
on
the
on
the
right-hand
side
and
the
rest
of
it
initially
day.
N
One
will
be
shelf
space,
a
couple
of
overhead
doors
at
the
rear
of
the
space
to
give
access
to
the
warehouse,
as
well
as
some
personnel.
J
N
The
egress
doors
along
the
back
we've
got
windows,
sort
of
punched
openings
down
both
sides
and
the
bay
on
the
left.
There
is
going
to
be
set
up
so
that
we
could
potentially
do
a
second,
the
second
story
there
as
well
or
mezzanine
space
depending
upon
the
tenant
mix
and
how
that
all
works
out
through
releasing
process.
N
So
it's
it's
fairly
straightforward
design,
flat
roofs.
All
the
mechanical
units
will
be
mount,
will
be
roof
mounted
mechanical
buildings
tall
enough
and
we'll
have
sufficient
parapets
to
screen
that
that
from
view,
so
that's
that's
really
the
building.
In
a
nutshell,
if
anybody
has
any
questions
later,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
So
we
do
have
some
canopies.
You
can
see
some
decorative
channels
in
the
front
to
provide
cover
for
the
doors
and
also
give
some
relief
to
the
architectural
facade
of
the
building.
M
N
These
are
the
renderings
that
are
the
actual
elevations
which
call
out
the
various
materials,
but
I
think
we
did
get
some
pictures
so
this
this
is
just
some
some
some
of
the
things
that
are
possible
with
the
precast
wall
panels,
the
the
brick
patterning
that
you
see
the
gray
is
similar
to
what
we're
looking
at
doing
we're
not
looking
at
the
color
variation,
that's
in
there,
but
the
idea
of
the
pattern
being
cast
in
and
then
painted
the
center
the
center
one
is
actually
a
more
detailed
brick
patterning
that
that's
that's
possible,
but
we're
looking
to
do
something
more
like,
like
the
gray.
M
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
presentation
and
at
this
time
we'll
just
ask
or
mention
that
the
floor
is
open
for
public
input
and
or
feedback
from
the
community.
So
if
you
haven't
yet
and
would
wish
to
speak,
please
follow
the
directions
to
the
left
of
the
screen.
If
you're
presenting
for
a
community
group
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
speak
as
an
individual
you'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak
march.
Are
there
any
speakers
from
the
public
for
this.
B
C
B
B
Okay,
so
it
looks
like
we
don't
have
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
for
this
magic.
A
B
So
I
will
just
start
with
our
stop
report.
We
prepared
our
staff
report
based
on
the
comprehensive
manual
of
development
policies,
perry
hall,
community
plan,
baltimore,
county
landscape
manual,
baltimore
county
master
plan,
2020
and
resolution
number
73-20
adopted
by
the
council
on
july.
6
2020
in
terms
of
site
design
staff
cannot
recommend
approval
of
the
site,
design,
intent
based
on
the
following
for
resolution
number.
Seventy
three
twenty
adopted
on
july
6
2020.
B
If
an
existing
building
is
being
repurposed
parking
base,
should
be
located
along
the
sides
and
rear
of
the
lot
and
parking
should
not
be
provided
in
the
front
for
new
construction.
Any
building
shall
be
placed
as
close
to
the
road
as
possible
as
parking
provided
at
the
side
or
in
in
the
back
for
form.
An
image
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
form,
an
image.
B
In
regards
to
open
space
and
landscape
design,
staff
cannot
recommend
approval
of
the
open
space
and
landscape
design.
Based
on
the
following
comments.
Number
one
provide
confirmation
from
the
county
landscape
architect
that
condition
l
performance-based
business
zones
for
the
baltimore
county
landscape
menu
is
met,
number
two
indicate
and
label
on
the
plan.
Outdoor
seating
areas
number
three
provide
the
details
of
the
proposed
dumpster.
The
proposed
dumpster
enclosure
should
meet
the
requirements
of
the
platinum
county,
landscape,
menu,
section
3h
for
streets,
parkings
and
circulations.
B
Staff
cannot
recommend
approval
based
on
the
following
for
resolution
number
7320
adopted
on
july
6
2020.
If
an
existing
building
is
being
repurposed,
parking
base
should
be
located
along
the
sides
and
rear
of
the
lot
and
parking
should
not
be
provided
in
the
front
for
new
constructions.
B
Any
building
shall
be
placed
as
close
to
the
road
as
possible
as
parking
provided
at
the
site
or
in
the
back,
and
for
signage
and
lighting
staff
cannot
recommend
approval
of
the
signage
and
lighting
design
based
on
the
following
number
one,
based
on
resolution
number
73
20
ornamental
street
light.
Poles
shall
be
installed
that
duplicate
the
look
and
spacing
of
those
constructed
at
perry.
Hall
elementary
school
provide
detail
for
the
proposed
light
fixture
to
demonstrate
that
this
requirement
will
be
met.
B
A
Thank
you
martha
and
with
that
we'll
move
to
the
panel
discussion,
we'll
go
probably
in
opposite
order.
This
time
and
start
with
mr
stevens.
J
Thank
you
celia.
I
guess
I.
I
really
need
to
get
a
better
understanding
on
the
the
architectural
intent
of
this
building.
I
J
N
So
I
I
miss
well,
maybe
I
misspoke
yes,
it's
you're
correct.
It's
a
it's
a
precast
plan.
If
you
go
to
the
actual
rendering
you
can
actually
see
the
differentiation,
my
intention
is
not
to
do
the
entire
thing
pattern
in
brick,
because
I
think
a
building
that
large
that's
a
homogeneous
material
would
just
be
too
too
overpowering.
N
My
the
intent
is
there
is
that
the
the
darker
gray
areas,
the
vertical
columns
and
the
base
of
the
building
would
be
done
in
the
brick
patterning,
which
would
be
we
would
we
painted
a
you
know
a
warm
gray
to
to
match
the
beige.
That's
there
and
then
the
rest
of
the
building
would
be
in
that
two-tone
paint
of
the
concrete
panel
with
a
more
smooth
finish
to
it.
J
N
Correct
would
be
like
a
reveal
paddle
that
would
be
patterned
with
what
I
did
there
is.
I
took
and
kind
of
mirrored
the
mullion
pattern
of
the
window,
but
in
a
in
a
recessed,
concrete
piece,
that's
what
that
is
and
and
to
break
up
that
huge
facade
to
try
to
give
it
some
visual
interest
and
allow
for
some
additional.
You
know
movement
on
this
on
this
building.
J
Yeah
and
so
so,
what
was
the
general
intent
design
wise
on
on
that
particular
color
scheme,
as
opposed
to
it
being
more
of
a
of
a
a
natural
brick.
J
N
Trying
to
pull
off
because
we're
going
to
be
using
that
silver
storefront,
so
I
was
trying
to
to
pull
in
some
of
that
that
color
to
kind
of
give
it
and
kind
of
give
it
a
base
that
had
a
little
bit
of
difference
to
it,
but
I
mean
I
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
going
to
a
tour,
a
more
earth
color.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
red
is
appropriate
for
this.
I
think
we
want
to
be
more
in
a
in
a
in
a
brown
color
we
could
use.
We
could
do
something.
N
J
I
I
guess
I
just
need
to
warm
up
to
just
it
being
a
pre-cast
concrete
structure,
as
opposed
to
it
being
a
a
a
brick.
J
I
J
That
that's
just
that,
that's
something
I
have
to
get
comfortable
with.
I'm
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
totally
comfortable
with
with
the
precast
concrete
panels
and
and
the
roof
is,
is
basically
a
flat
roof.
There's
there's
no
slant
to
it.
N
Well,
if
you
really
look
what's
what's
around
us
contextually,
we're
not,
I
mean
we're
not
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
all
the
buildings
that
are
to
our
immediate
across
the
street
and
adjacent
to
us,
with
the
exception
of
the
small
resident,
the
small
residents
are
now
businesses
which
are
quite
a
bit
farther
down
the
street
are
all
commercial
type
businesses,
so
I
mean
this
is
a.
N
I
think
it's
in
keeping
with
the
with
the
flavor
of
the
of
the
other
buildings
that
are
that
are
around
it
in
terms
of
contacts.
Okay,
so
I
don't
know
how
you
do
a
residential
scale.
Building,
that's
got.
You
know
a
25
foot,
clear
height
for
a
for
a
warehouse
building
which
is
also
you
know,
permitted
for
the
zoning.
N
So
you
know
one
of
my
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
you
know
I
I
tried
to
with
the
with
the
ends:
try
to
pull
the
massing
down
a
little
bit,
because
I
didn't
need
that
volume
where
the
office
was.
I
was
intention
was
to
pull
that
down
a
little
bit
too,
and
you
know
and
put
some
movement
in
the
side
to
try
to
soften
it.
N
A
little
bit
but
but
it's
it's,
it's
a
big
building,
no
doubt
about
it,
but
but
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
shopping
center,
that's
directly
on
the
on
the
other
side
of
this
and
it's
the
one,
the
buildings
that
are
across
the
street
I
mean,
there's
the
there's
a
two-story
office
block
across
the
street
with
a
concrete
frame
and
brick
infill.
That's
that's,
you
know,
got
a
similar,
modern
kind
of
vibe
to
it.
J
No,
I
I
maybe
others
really
need
to
start
jumping
in
because
I'm
not
totally
there
architecturally.
Yet
I
I
need
to
really
get
a
better
feel
for
this.
You
know,
as
as
far
as
the
massing
and
and
and
the
color
and
and
how
the
the
canopies
extend
from
the
facade
and
etc.
A
Okay,
yup
understood
I'm
there
as
well
miss
sauce.
F
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
concerned
about
this
emerge,
gravel
wetland
in
the
back
and
the
car
the
cars
adjacent
to
it
are
there?
Is
there
a
fence
around
that
area?
Is
there
gonna
be
additional
wheel
stops
I,
with
with
the
experience
that
I've
had.
I
just
I
think,
if
somebody's
not
really
paying
attention,
a
curb
is
not
going
to
stop
a
car
from
going
over
into.
You
know
three
to
one
slope
or
greater,
so
I
just
have
some
safety
concerns
with
that
area.
Back
there.
M
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
We
would
definitely
have
a
fence
around
it.
We
can
show
you
what
kind
of
fence
we're
thinking
about
using
there,
but
it
will
be
a
combination
of
wheel
stops
and
a
fence.
F
Okay
and
then
the
micro
bio
along
the
front,
it
looks
like
you
have
a
row
of
shrubs
around
that
next
to
the
sidewalk.
F
Are
you
planning
on
planting
that
I'm
also
just
concerned
with
people
not
paying
attention
and
tripping
and
going
down
a
slope
because
I've
I've
had
it
happen?
I've
seen
it
happen
before
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there's
a
little
beefier
landscape
there
or
something
in
the
in
the
facility
to
buffer
that
a
little
bit
more
from
the
pedestrians.
F
Right,
I
get
that,
but
we
like
to
do
I
like
to
see
like
at
least
a
double
row
of
plants,
because
you
know
inevitably,
if
they
don't
get
watered,
if
they're
not
taken
care
of
and
they
die,
then
there's
nothing
there
and
then
again,
that's
a
safety
issue,
so
I
just
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
landscape,
even
if
it's
broken
up
into
chunks,
just
to
create
that
barrier,
a
stronger
barrier,
I
think
I
think
the
design
is
is
very
thoughtful,
with
all
the
constraints
that
you
had
to
do,
or
at
least
the
site
layout.
F
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Miss
sauce,
mr
sharma.
C
M
Correct
there's:
what's
vehicle
parking
for
employees
in
the
back,
there
are
two
overhead
doors
in
the
left:
upper
left
corner
of
the
building,
and
we've
intentionally
made
that
paving
area
large
enough,
so
that
the
box
trucks
that
are
used
by
the
business
can
maneuver
in
there
and
back
in
and
out
of
those
garage
spaces.
G
G
I
see
the
curb
ramp
there
on
the
western
side
of
that
island,
but
users
are
kind
of
just
getting
dumped
into
the
into
the
parking
lot
it
sounded
like
you
wanted
to
put
tables
and
chairs
at
those
two
island
end
caps
there
on
the
parking,
but
it's
not
clear
on
the
plan
where
the
tables
and
chairs
would
go
in
relation
to
a
planter
there.
It
doesn't
seem
like
there's
enough
space
to
do
both
and
accommodate
the
circulation
that
you're
looking
for.
L
G
There's
no
circulation
from
the
back
of
the
site
to
the
front.
So
if
somebody
that
just
happened
to
go
to
the
retail
ended
up
parking
in
the
back,
there's
there's
no
way
to
get
there
unless
you're
walking
in
the
drive
aisle.
So
it's
something
to
to
consider,
and
then
this
might
be
a
question
more
for
staff,
but
just
the
the
comment
related
to
the
the
parking
in
the
front.
G
M
A
Thank
you,
donald
khan,
mr
khan,.
D
Thank
you
cecily
a
question
for
the
staff
in
in
their
first
recommendation
about
the
site
plan
and
the
parking
in
the
front.
As
I
read
the
resolution,
it
does
allow
for
one
row
of
parking
in
the
front
and
I'm
curious
why
the
staff
would
have
recommended
that
they
can't
approve.
That
is
there
any
response
to
that.
I
did.
B
D
N
The
owner-
and
I
we've
adjusted
this
from
the
very
beginning
stage
of
this-
we
really
haven't
done
anything
with
the
signage
yet,
but.
D
M
A
It,
yes,
it
does
show
up
martha
and
it
looks
like
that
clause
that
mr
khan
just
talked
about
was
struck
at
some
point
in
time.
Yes,.
B
This
is
how
the
resolution
is
revised,
because
there
were
previously
adopted
resolution.
I
believe
two
of
them,
but
this
one,
the
most
recent
one-
and
this
is
how
it
is-
looks
like
as
of
now.
A
D
Was
there
some
discussion
about
the
signage.
A
N
Preliminary
conversations
and
the
the
intention
would
be
to
put
some
kind
of
a
sign
for
the
main
business
on
the
the
center
of
you
know
high,
and
then
the
canopies
that
you
see
would
be
able
to
serve
for
tenant
signage
on
there
with
some
kind
of
a
letter.
You
know
applied
letter
kind
of
sign
on
the
canopy.
N
N
Rendering
I
can
show
you
a
couple
of
location
ones
so
that
that
it's
sort
of
in
that
circle,
you
can't
always
do
that
that
center
piece-
that's
that's
kind
of
a
square
is
where
we
would
put
we
yeah.
We
would
intend
to
put
a
primary
sign
for
the
service
master
business
and
then
the
the
can
people
along
the
the
left
side.
There
could
serve
for
the
tenant
signage
for
each
individual
day
in
attendance.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
you
know
I
do
share
concern
on
a
number
of
things
with
the
the
building
and
the
parking,
especially
having
that
clarification
of
the
parking
it
seems
like
there
was
some
you
know,
debate
and
over
time
that
was
changed
and
and
I,
as
an
urbanist,
I
admire
the
fact
that
we
are
putting
these
design
guidelines
in
place
and
trying
to
pull
buildings
forward
to
the
street
as
they
were.
I
mean
if
we
look
at
those.
A
You
know
the
past
older
structures
that
you
showed
images
of
those
buildings
are
are
meeting
the
street
appropriately.
They
have.
The
sidewalk
is
not
along
the
curb
there's
a
planting
strip
and
then
the
sidewalk
and
then
the
building
you
know,
sits
proud
on
the
street
with
no
parking
intervening
and
I'm
sure
those
that
resolution
was
changed
to
try
to
tighten
that
up.
So
as
new
buildings
come
forward,
they
are
responding
to
that
fabric
of
the
neighborhood
and
getting
away
from
the
car
dominant.
A
You
know
approach
that
we
had
at
some
point
of
time,
so
I
do
see
that
as
a
turning
point
and
that
that's
fairly
important
and
that
resolution
makes
it
pretty
clear.
So
I
would
be
fairly
strong
on
that
point
saying
you
know
I
kind
of
understand
that
there
might
have
been
they
agree.
A
You
know,
I
think
that
you
know,
then,
if
the
building
is
pulled
forward,
the
parking
is
moved
to
the
rear.
The
sidewalk
connection
to
the
front
edge
along
bel
air
becomes
stronger.
There
would
need
to
be
stronger
circulation,
sidewalk
circulation,
pedestrian
circulation
through
the
site
to
those
rear
parking
spaces.
A
A
I
do
admire
that
you're
trying
to
work
with
a
very
tight
site,
and
you
know
your
building
is
maximizing
the
width
with
the
singular
circulation
around
it.
So
I'm
not
trying
to
take
away
from
that
design,
but
I
think
the
stronger
force
here
is
trying
to
stitch
back
the
neighborhood
which
has
been
eroded
over
time
by
the
dominance
of
automobiles.
Let's
see
could
I
can
I
talk
to
that
just
a
little
bit.
Actually,
let
me
let
me
get
through
some
of
the
points,
because
you
know
the
you
know
the
landscape.
A
I
mentioned
the
sidewalk
location.
I
see
that
in
again
in
the
older
areas
the
sidewalk
is
pushed
back
from
the
curb.
I
don't
know
if
that
from
a
planning
staff,
if
they
can
address
that,
if
that's
the
new
requirement
that
this
sidewalk
be
against
the
curb,
rather
than
with
a
planting
strip
dividing
it.
I
do
see
in
the
newer
construction
that
that
is,
it's
been
installed
most
recently,
so
I
don't
want
to
make
a
comment
if
that's
a
standard
along
this
stretch
of
of
the
road.
E
Well,
it's
I
mean
the
right
of
way
is
pretty
tight
up
along
bel
air
road
and
bel.
Air
is
also
a
state
road.
So
I
don't
know:
we'd
have
to
consult
with.
A
All
right:
well,
I
mean
it
might
be
a
recommendation,
but
yeah,
I
think,
we'll
get
overwhelmed
there.
You
know,
I
think
the
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
are
done
well
with
the
singular
entries
and
the
circulation
around
the
site.
A
I
think
the
building
does
a
couple
things
well,
but
then
I
think
it
does
not
do
a
couple
of
other
things.
Well,
so
first
the
good
points,
I
think,
the
I
think
you
were
trying
to
respond
to
the
building
directly
across
the
street,
the
office
building
with
the
colors
and
textures.
A
However,
it
is
pretty
clear
again
in
that
resolution
that
there
is
a
desire,
but
not
just
a
desire,
but
the
design
guidelines
suggest
that
it
should
be
predominantly
brick.
We
don't
have
any
brick
on
this
building.
Currently
we
just
have
a
stamped
brick
pattern.
That
is
not
the
color
of
a
kind
of
naturally
found
brick.
Let's
say
I
think
that
falls
short
of
the
mark.
That's
intended.
A
I
could
understand
if
you
know
design
guidelines,
there's
a
little
wiggle
room,
yes,
but
when
it
says
predominantly
brick
and
there's
no
brick
on
the
building-
and
we
have
this-
you
know
the
precast
panels
that
are
trying
to
be
brick
but
aren't
brick.
I
think
that
falls
short
of
the
mark.
A
The
other
piece,
I
think,
is
I
you
know.
I
think
I,
the
canopy
idea
is
a
nice
response
and
could
handle
signage.
Well,
I'd
love
to
see
that
just
my
own
personal
opinion
differentiated
from
the
wall
material
of
the
building,
but
I
think
the
trying
to
tie
them
in
with
the
geometry
of
that
horizontal
band
of
the
building
is
nice.
I
do
share
concerns
that
there's
no
signage
presented.
A
We
usually
do
review
signage
and
would
like
to
see
that
the
front
of
the
building
merchant-
maybe
we
can
go
to
that,
one
rendering
that
shows
the
front
of
the
building
pretty
clearly
not
the
plant,
not
the
elevations,
but
the
actual
rendering,
maybe
the
one
without
the
big
white
dots
yeah.
That
wouldn't
be
perfect.
A
It
takes
a
lot
of
heat
with
the
central
center
part
of
the
building,
where
I
think
and
correctly,
if
I'm
wrong,
mainly
people
would
be
going
to
either
wing
of
the
building
and
that
entry
would
be
hardly
used
at
all.
I
would
like
a
response
on
that
note.
That's
correct.
Okay,.
A
A
Okay,
well
yeah,
so
I
think
there's
some
there's
some!
You
know
the
building
itself
suggests
one
thing,
but
the
reality
is
suggesting
something
different.
So
I
think
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
You
know
you
have.
What
looks
to
me.
Is
you
have
it?
It
almost
looks
like
there
are
five
potential
entries
two
to
the
left
for
potential
future
retail
tenant
space,
two
to
the
right
for
the
office
space
and
one
in
the
middle.
I
mean
you
have
a
canopy,
it's
kind
of
suggested
by
the
building
architecture.
A
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
better
response
to
that
reality
of
how
the
building's
used,
I
think,
the
breaking
up
the
massing
is
done
well,
but
you
know-
and
I
think
I
I
think-
that
center
bay
I
do
like
also
if
you're
you
know,
trying
to
mimic
the
storefront
to
break
up
that
tall
facade.
So
again,
I
think
that's
done
well.
I
don't
over
that
central
area
where
the
brown
is
kind
of
bleeds
into
the
horizontal
band.
It
makes
almost
like
an
inverted
t
shape.
A
I
don't
think
that's
super
successful,
just
a
minor
point,
but
again
it
starts
to
emphasize
that
central
bay,
when
I
don't
think
that's
necessary
with
the
use
of
the
building.
So
those
are
I
mean
again.
I
you
know,
I
I'm
really
strongly
on
the
side
of
the
of
the
and
everything.
That's
that's
noted
there
and
then,
let's.
A
A
Okay,
so
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
and
back
and
forth
I'd
like
to
see
if
the
panel
somewhat
brave
person
on
the
panel
would
like
to
move
to
make
a
motion.
A
G
Yeah,
I
think
I
was
trying
to
take
some
notes,
like
you
had
some
good
comments,
I'm
just
going
to
summarize
what
they
are.
Then
I'd
like
to
to
talk
a
little
bit
about.
G
I
do
think
we
need
to
address
the
comments
and
the
questions
about
the
brick
facade,
color,
location,
meaning.
The
latest
resolution,
I
think
also
the
comment
regarding
the
massing
should
be-
should
be
studied
further,
in
particular
the
placements
of
the
the
doors
to
that
massing
and
use
the
functionality
of
that
facade
through
the
site
plan.
G
G
G
G
And
that,
actually,
I
think
those
are
all
of
my
notes,
so
I
think
that's
a
pretty
good
start
if
anyone
else
wants
to
add
to
that,
but
I
would
like
to
talk
about
the
next
steps
now,
what
the
other
others
on
the
team
feel.
I
personally
would
make
a
motion
to
have
this
project
come
back
to
the
drp.
I
think
there's
based
on
the
concerns
with
the.
I
A
And
I
also
you
know,
I
do
think
the
staff
report
covers
a
number
of
those
things
and
when
we
do
make
a
motion
again,
we
can
refer
to
that
staff
report
and
then
pick
up
the
the
additional
things
that
you
mentioned.
That
anybody
else
feel
strongly
opposed
to
that
as
a
direction
in
terms
of
on
the
panel.
A
I'm
not
hearing
anyone
opposed
to
that
so
matt.
I
think
that
would
be
a
proper
way.
I
think
I
agree
there's
a
lot
to
to
cover
here
and-
and
you
know
just
the
signage
alone
might
be
enough,
but
there
are
a
number
of
other
concerns
that
would
warrant
a
return.
A
So,
just
to
recap,
in
my
own
words,
you
had
kind
of
the
staff
report
would
be
kind
of
item
number.
One
item
number
two
would
be
the
relation
of
the
massing
and
architectural
detail
to
the
building
use,
I
would
add:
well
they
have
the
use
of
brick
already
in
the
staff
report,
so
we
don't
need
to
be
redundant
on
that.
G
All
right
lucky
me:
I
propose
a
motion
to
have
the
applicant
come
back
to
the
drp
review
panel,
I'm
focusing
on
the
following
comments
and
responses.
The
first
is
to
address
all
the
comments
in
the
staff
report
that
was
provided
on
the
second
focusing
on
the
fasting
of
the
building,
in
particular,
the
door
locations
and
functionality
of
that
facade
theory
would
be
more.
Information
needs
to
be
provided
regarding
the
signage
and
the
canopies.
G
D
A
Well,
first,
I
just
want
to
ask:
does
anybody
on
the
county
have
need
any
clarification
before
we?
Second,
this?
I
think.
A
H
A
Hi
hi,
okay,
that's
unanimous
and
the
motion
passes.
Thank
you,
oh
okay,
and
then
we
will
move
on
to
our
final
item
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening.
Thank
you
for
hanging
in
there.
The
item
number
three
is
40
west,
chesapeake
avenue
and
presenter.
If
you're
still
there,
the
floor
is
yours.
L
L
J
L
That
chesapeake
avenue
has
a
large
redevelopment
project
of
suppressor
street
and
some
redevelopment
you
know
on
york,
road
and
and
washington.
So
with
that,
I
introduced
john
who's
on
the
call
came
up
with
a
great
scheme.
O
Great,
thank
you.
If
we
can
bring
up
the
presentation
and
we
can
start
there.
O
Is
a
good
contrast
right
here
so.
I
O
O
O
One
is
to
address
some
technical
issues
in
terms
of
some
failing
bricks,
some
same
thing
with
some
windows
where
gaskets
have
been
are
leaking
and,
and
so
there's
there's
some
window
replacement.
That
needs
to
be
refreshed.
I
A
O
There
you
go
so
okay,
so
that's
the
front
page!
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
O
O
So
it
gets
a
lot
of
southern
exposure
in
terms
of
the
sun
and
everything,
and
it
is
just
north
of
you-
know
the
towson
row
large
development,
that
is,
that
is
there
to
the
south
next
slide.
O
Again,
this
illustrates
the
actual
office
portion
of
the
building.
You
can
see
that
the
parking
garage
that
is
behind
it
is
attached
to
the
building.
So
it
is.
It
is
a
single
loaded
corridor
with
offices
facing
to
the
south
next
slide.
O
O
Left
project
or
the
photograph
you,
you
can
see
the
the
building
from
the
east
side
as
you're
approaching,
but
this
is
a
one-way
street
that
is
going
east.
O
O
Now
on
to
sort
of
our
study,
this
is
a
three-dimensional
sort
of
axonometric.
You
can
see
the
the
the
volume
of
the
the
buildings
of
towson
row
on
the
right
side
and.
O
The
the
the
scale
of
this
project
is
actually
very
much
in
keeping
with
that,
but
it
did
give
us
an
opportunity
to
reconsider
sort
of
how
to
emphasize
some
of
the
architectural
characteristics
that
I
think
are
very
unique
and
very
exciting
about
the
project
with
the
ribbon
windows
and
and
it
being
sort
of
divided
left
and
right
with.
B
O
O
O
There
you
go
so
this
is.
This
is
the
project
as
it
exists
today
again,
there's
sort
of
a
lack
of
hierarchy,
a
lack
of
excitement
about
the
project.
I
O
Full
of
opportunities,
as
I
mentioned,
opportunities
at
the
street
front
level,
where
we're
pedestrians
and
there's
a
retail
level,
you've
got
this
center
location
where
there's
sort
of
a
little
greenhouse
glass
box,
that's
been
stuck
on
as
a
vestibule
for
the
lobby.
O
It
was
clearly
in
addition
to
the
building
after
it
was
conceived
next
slide
here.
You
can
see
our
our
proposal
for
the
project.
A
lot
of
it,
like
I
said,
is
to
it
started
as
needing
to
there's
a
lot
of
repointing
of
brick.
There's
glass
replacement.
That
needs
to
happen,
and,
as
we
evaluated
the
project,
we
looked
at
it
as
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
reimagine
it
one
with
the
entrance,
which
is
highlighted
in
this
particular
slide.
J
O
O
You
can
see
that
we're
we're
looking
at
a
scheme
that
almost
it
basically
relies
on
two
colors,
rather
than
a
monochromatic
building,
where
we're
we're
going
with
a
darker
gray,
called
gauntlet,
gray,
sherwin
williams
color
on
the
brick,
which
relates
to
some
of
the
projects
to
the
south
of
this
of
this
building.
O
O
When
you
are
driving,
as
I
mentioned,
it
is
a
one-way
street,
so
you're
driving
from
the
west
towards
the
east,
and
currently
there
is
a
an
address
40
west
address
on
that
corner.
We're
looking
to
upgrade
that
it
is
the
first
indication
that
a.
O
O
So
here
you
get
a
little
better
view
of
the
pedestrian
level,
even
though
this
is
this
is
from
the
street.
So
you
get
to
see
how
the
new
vestibule
you
know
slides
in
there
is
much
more
integrated
with
the
mass,
that's
above
it
and
also
provides
location
and
address.
O
What
is,
if
you
look
at
this
storefront
for
the
retail
below
it
is
undercover.
There
is
currently
it
was
originally
conceived
to
have
a
an
internally
lit
sign
for
the
tenants.
We
are
looking
to
recreate
that
basically
back
to
its
original
inspiration
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
we're
looking
on
the
vertical
elements.
O
If
you
look
in
the
bottom
left,
it
says
new
decorative
panels,
we're
looking
to
add
a
little
contrast
and
a
little
bit
of
life
to
those
we're
also
looking
to
upgrade
the
lighting
experience
underneath
the
canopy
with
led
lights
in
the
same
location,
same
vein
that
was
originally
conceived
for
the
project,
we're
looking
to
paint
the
existing
ribbon
window
mullions
and
replace
the
glazing.
O
This
is
just
an
enlargement
of
the
new
vestibule.
As
I
mentioned
it,
it
syncs
up
nicely
with
the
mass
that's
above
it
that
sticks
out.
It
addresses
the
signage
aluminum
system
there
are
plant.
There
is
an
existing
planter
on
the
right
side
that
we're
going
to
duplicate
on
the
left
side
of
the
vestibule
and.
O
I
O
O
A
Well,
we'll
get
to
those
I'm
sure,
but
thank
you
for
the
presentation
before
we
do
anything
else.
Jennifer
did
you
want
to
cut
in
here.
E
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
mentioned
in
the
beginning,
but
we
do
notice
on
these
pages
of
this
presentation.
The
caves
valley
partners
is
also
listed.
Can
you
describe
your
relationship
because
it
does
affect
some
of
the
panels?
Members
involvement
in
this
review.
L
Okay,
this
has
been
dobrowski
from
another
mid-atlantic
properties,
manages
the
building.
The
ownership
of
the
building
is
a
joint
venture
with
it's
wayne,
gioso
and,
and
some
of
the
fellows
over
at
case
valley
partners
arthur
adler.
A
Okay,
yes,
yes,
it
does,
and
I
will
verbally
recuse
myself
as
we
are
active
on
a
across
cross
keys
project
with
caves
valley,
so
just
to
eliminate
any
conflicts.
I
will
recuse
myself.
I
will
still
act
as
a
facilitator
for
this
section
and
get
us
to
the
conclusion,
but
I
will
not
give
any
input
on
comments
or
motions.
So
with
that
we'll
move
to
back
to
our
our
schedule
and
at
this
time
the
floor
will
be
open
for
public
input
or
feedback
from
the
community.
A
Again,
if
you're,
representing
a
community
group,
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
speak
and
those
speaking
as
individuals
will
have
two
two
minutes:
marta.
Are
there
any
speakers
from
the
public.
B
Not
what
I
mean
what
I
know
but
emery
brett
jenn.
Anyone
on
your
side.
K
E
A
No
speakers
successfully,
okay
with
that,
we
can
move
right
into
the
staff
report
if
you'll
take
us
through
that
martha
sure.
Thank
you.
Cecily.
B
So
he
prepared
our
staff
report
based
on
the
downtown
thousand
district,
because
design
guidelines
and
I'll
start
with
us
else
purpose
building
principles,
architecture,
so
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
architecture
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
provide
details
where
you
propose
new
aluminum
storefront
system
and
doors,
including
colors
and
dimensions,
number
two
indicate
what
type
of
window
class
is
proposed.
B
Number
three
provide
an
explanation
why
the
vertical
components
of
brick
of
the
building
cannot
remain
unpainted,
while,
while
the
horizontal
brick,
the
proposed
gray,
painting
brick,
could
remain
as
proposed
in
terms
of
building
materials,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
building
materials
subject
to
the
following
condition:
number
one
provide
details
for
these
disposable
panels
at
piers,
including
colors
materials
and
dimensions
in
terms
of
lighting
establishments.
Approval
subject
of
the
following
condition:
provide
details
for
all
proposed
lighting
fixtures
in
terms
of
signage.
B
So
the
applicant
proposes
two
options
for
the
new
project:
sign
for
evas
vertically,
located
on
the
throne,
facade
pain,
mounted,
backlit
letters
or
painted
letters.
The
proposed
address
sign
for
the
rest,
chesapeake
will
consist
of
a
metal
panel
and
internally
eliminated
labs,
so
recommendations
staff
recommend
the
following
conditions:
number.
K
B
The
proposed
signs
will
be
the
only
signs
that
will
be
allowed
on
the
building.
Number
two
provides
details
for
all
of
the
proposed
signage,
including
the
sign
located
on
the
third
floor
of
the
west,
facade
label,
dimensions,
colors
and
materials,
and
number
three
provide
details
for
the
refurbished
existing
it
internally
illuminated
tenant
signage
and
that
concludes
the
stock
report.
A
Thank
you.
Martha
move
to
just
open
the
floor
to
the
panel
numbers,
let's
run
through
it
in
this
order.
Let's
start
with
mr.
G
Thanks
leslie
just
a
couple
comments
and
questions.
I
guess
the
first
is
the
the
documents,
reference
improvements
to
the
streetscape
new,
paving
treatments.
The
trees
are
shown
in
all
of
the
renderings
that
aren't
there
today,
but
there
aren't
any
details
related
to
those
improvements,
so
just
wanted
to
see
what
is
going
to
be
included
in
the
project
or
not
included,
since
all
those
improvements
are
shown.
G
G
You
know
the
the
circle
east
project
with
those
two
gray
colors
with
the
kind
of
the
road
sign.
You
know
it
was
pretty
clever.
It's
super
simple,
but
just
the
slightly
different
color,
you
know
works
well
there
so
and
maybe
it
doesn't
have
to
stand
out
quite
as
much
as
what's
shown
there.
It
sounds
like
you're
not
looking
for
that
approval,
but
that's
just
a
suggestion
to
to
look
at
something
there
locally.
But
really.
My
comments
are
just
related
to
the
needing
more
detail.
A
Okay,
thank
you
matt,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
applicant
wants
to
respond
to
that.
You
know
if
the
trees
shown
are
included
with
the
submission
or
just
documented,
to
show
existing.
That
was
the
question
more
or
less
right,
matt.
O
There
has
been
new
paving
along
that
sidewalk
and
I
think
there
are
brick
surrounds
around
the
tree.
Planters
now
survived,
I
don't
know.
Actually
I
should
probably
go
take
a
look
at
it
today
to
find
out.
L
They're
all
the
trees
and
the
the
tree
pits
and
the
concrete
was
all
replaced,
I
would
say
within
the
last
three
years
by
the
baltimore
county
endeavors,
so
all
these
trees,
while
the
species
may
not
match
right.
L
I
there
to
say
the
book
ends
are
two
crate
myrtles
and
then
in
between.
I
think
you
have
the
amount
of
treatments
correct.
So
if
there's
four
in
the
middle
in
the
middle,
those
are
maybe
zelkova's
or
it's
tough,
to
tell.
L
L
E
I
E
The
development
across
the
street
occurred
that
the
improvements
would
be
made
upon
completion
of
that
project
so,
and
so
it
was
done
in
partnership
with
those
developers
as
well
as
the
county.
They
covered
some
of
the
costs
of
the
streetscape
improvements,
so
the
streetscape
is
new.
It
will
not
be
changing.
A
Very
good,
thank
you
and
we'll
go
on
to
mr
sharma
raj
sharma.
C
I
have
one
comment:
there's
a
mention
about
the
lettering
on
the
on
the
staff
report,
something
I
feel
odd.
Can
we
go
to
the
last
slide?
Number
13?
I
guess
that's
what
it
is
yeah,
so
the
the
problem
here
I
see
that
each
letter
seems
to
be
out
of
proportion
looks
like
because
they
are
italic
number
two
there's
no
spacing
between
the
40
and
w,
so
that
correction
slide
correction
needs
to
be
made.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We'll
move
on
to
julie,
sauce,
the
sauce.
F
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you
for
the
clarification
on
the
on
the
streetscape.
That
was
going
to
be
my
comment,
so
I
have
none.
A
Okay,
thank
you
short
and
sweet.
Mr
stevens,
james
stevens,.
J
J
I
I
guess
the
the
window
frames
within
the
the
banning
are
we
talk.
I
mean
I
mean
you
say
that
there
are
insulated
glass,
but
are
we
talking
double
insulated?
Are
we
talking
triple
insulated?
Are
we
talking
some
type
of
solar
tent
to
the
glass
that
I
guess
that's
my
only
because
only
question
and
concern
you
know
as
far
as
that,
how
the
the
banning
and
the
and
the
and
the
gray
works
with
the
the
three
vertical
towers.
I'm
from
it
looks
it
looks
fine
to
me.
J
It
really
seems
to
present
the
right
type
of
of
brief
furnace,
facade
and
and
and
and
total
picture
that
that
we
really
want
that
building
to
be
so
outside
of
the
the
upgrades
to
what
the
actual
details
of
the
window
glazing's
going
to
be,
and
I
guess
I
guess
I
guess
there
is.
There
was
some
concern
about
the
decorative
panels
at
the
at
the
piers
of
what
that
actually
is
going
to
be.
I
mean
I
see
a
certain
design
there,
but
more
detail
needs
to
be
conveyed.
J
Someone
was
saying
something:
no,
but
you
know,
and
and
also
as
far
as
that,
the
the
your
your
graphic
on
this,
the
center
signage
and
what
the
possibilities
of
that
being
I
mean.
That's,
that's
a
start.
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
good
introduction,
but
you
know
the
the
corner,
signage
and
and
the
entry
signage
works.
Well,
but
you
know
still
there's
there,
you
know
taking
another
look
at
how
that
center
vertical
tower
can
can
integrate.
A
signage
piece
is,
is
worth
exploring
but
yeah.
That's
that's
it
for
me.
A
J
I
guess
I'll
I'll
start
I'm
fresh
to
this,
but
I'll
start.
This
please
refer.
Let's
refer
to
the
staff
report
and
I
I
guess
would
we
say
that
we
are
recommending
this
to
be
go
to
the
administrative
review
or
or
another
drp
session.
It
seems
like
it
should
go
to
the
administrative
review.
A
Well,
those
are
the
options
you
know.
Obviously
you
can
come
back,
you
can
have
it
just
administratively
approved
with
noted
or
you
know,
and
so,
if
it
just
I'd
like
to
just
run
through
the
other
panel
members,
any
objection
to
the
administrative
review
based
on
an
approval
with
conditions.
I
J
Well,
okay,
I
mean,
outside
of
that
there
was
coming.
I
mean
it's
obvious.
The
streetscape
is
is
is
not
needed
as
far
as
our
review.
J
The
the
only
other
item
that
I
I
I
have
written
down
is
pertaining
to
the
is
the
comment
by
sharma
pertaining
to
the
the
main
signage
at
this
at
the
center
tower
and
and
and
the
possibility
of
of
exploring
that
in
conjunction
with
more
detail
on
the
deglazing
on
whether
that's
going
to
be
what
is
it?
J
Is
it
actual
double
or
triple
glazing,
or
is
it
double
insulated,
glass
or
triple,
and
is
there
any
type
of
tint
to
the
glazing
and
and
and
I
I
would
say
that
the
the
decorative
panels
that
it
appears
are
also
an
item,
but
I
I
do
believe
that
that's
part
of
the
staff
report-
us
I
mean-
are
there
any
other
issues
that
I
missed.
G
C
G
I
would
I
would
recommend
that,
and
if
the
applicant
is
not
sure,
if
they
want
that,
we
could,
just
you
know,
have
them
go
to
an
administrative
review,
but
if
that
element
can
be
removed
from
the
application,
if
they're
willing
to
remove
it,
you
know,
I
think
john
had
mentioned
that
in
his
presentation.
Maybe
they
could
clarify
that
for
us,
okay,.
E
G
J
A
So
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
approve,
additionally
with
administrative
review.
A
And
that's
taking
into
consideration
the
staff
report,
the
glass,
the
potential
vertical
signage
coming
back,
if
pursued
to
the
drp,
so
I
guess
that's.
However,
you
staff
wants
to
word
that,
but
that
that
would
be
the
comment
that
is
it.
A
Perfect
well
to
me,
but
I
probably
need
to
not
weigh
in
on
that
sorry,
but
well
worded
I'll.
Let
the
other
panel
members
say
if
that's
aligns
with
their
viewpoints
on
this.
I
A
This
point
this
there
is
a
motion
on
the
table.
So
and
let's
say
I
mean
yes,
if
it's
just
a
clarification
question,
I
think
go
ahead,
we'll
allow
that
one
question,
but
otherwise
we
want
to
get
to
seconding.
The
motion
so
go
ahead.
L
Okay,
would
it
be
possible
to
review
that
administratively.
E
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
in
a
position
to
do
that,
then,
just
because
signage
in
the
dtd
is
solely
the
responsibility
of
the
panel.
So
to
have
the
members
weigh
in
is
kind
of
critical.
E
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table,
including
that
provision.
Do
we
have
a
second.
J
G
A
A
A
Okay,
that's
all
for
and
that's
unanimous
and
that
that
concludes
item
number
three
and
our
final
act
of
the
evening
is
to
ask
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
during
this
meeting.