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A
Acting
chair,
cecily
bedwell,
we'll
start
with
a
roll
call
to
a
account
for
all
the
members
of
the
panel
present
on
the
call,
and
when
you
hear
your
name,
please
say
aye.
I
understand
that
fran
anderson
will
be
joining
us
at
the
latter
half
of
the
the
evening
to
go
through
the
two
residentials.
So
we'll
start
with
mr
khan.
B
C
D
A
Wonderful,
thank
you
all
and
my
name
again
is
cecily
bedwell,
I'm
here
as
well.
Just
to
start
us
off
a
review
of
today's
agenda.
Martha
are
there
any
changes?
The
tentative
agenda
is
published.
E
A
A
Donald,
thank
you.
Is
there
a
second.
F
It
says
I
will
second
that
thank
you.
A
Can
I
think
I
heard
four
I
myself
was
not
present,
so
the
motion
carries.
Thank
you
now.
If
you'll
bear
with
me,
I
have
an
opening
statement
to
read
that
gets
into
some
of
the
technicalities
and
goes
through
the
design,
review
panels,
establishment
and
protocol.
So
per
title.
4,
subtitle,
2
part,
1
sections,
32-4-203
and
3-2-4-204.
A
A
A
A
In
carrying
out
its
duties,
the
drp
utilizes
design,
guidelines,
plans
and
architectural
principles
and
the
comprehensive
manual
of
development
policies
and
or
master
plan,
as
well
as
other
specific
guidelines
and
regulations
adopted
into
law.
Certain
areas
of
the
county
were
designated
by
the
county
council
to
require
review
by
the
drp.
The
panel
will
provide
a
technical
review
of
the
proposed
project
issues
relative
to
zoning
setback,
relief,
environmental
and
stormwater
management.
H
A
Three
members
shall
constitute
a
quorum.
We
have
a
quorum
this
evening.
The
attendance
and
comments
of
each
member
shall
be
recorded
in
the
minutes
well,
which
shall
be
open
to
public
record
and
available
along
with
all
documents
submitted
to
the
panel
for
inspection
and
copying
by
the
public.
There
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
offer
comments
and
suggestions
at
the
conclusion
of
each
applicant's
presentation.
A
These
comments
will
also
be
included
in
the
written
record
of
the
meeting
when
a
speaker
is
called
up
to
speak.
Please
keep
your
comments
focused
on
the
design
perspectives
with
in
your
allotted
two-minute
time
frame
if
you're
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
community
group
you'll
be
allocated
five
minutes
at
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting.
The
department
of
planning
will
sum
up.
The
recommendations
of
the
panel
before
a
motion
for
a
vote
is
suggested.
A
Recent
legislation
has
changed
the
panel's
recommendation
to
the
advisory
on
the
hearing
officer
in
the
varys
county
agencies.
Unless
the
hearing
officer
agencies
find
the
panel's
actions
constitute
abuse
of
its
discretion
or
unsupported
by
the
documentation,
evidence
presented.
Disposition
of
the
plan
will
be
determined
as
either
approved,
approved
with
conditions
additional
review
required
with
a
second
meeting.
A
J
Thank
you,
chair
chairwoman
bedwell.
This
is
tim
catrocco,
I'm
I'm
council
for
blue
ocean
realty,
the
owner
and
developer
of
the
pikesville
doubletree
hilton
I'll,
just
give
a
brief
introduction
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
design
professionals.
I
know
you
have
a
full
agenda
this
evening
and
a
lot
to
go
over,
so
I
won't.
I
won't
on
delay
things.
J
You've
already
heard
a
little
bit
about
what's
going
on
tonight
with
the
doubletree
hilton.
By
way
of
the
preliminary
discussions
that
happened
before
we
started
our
meeting,
but
we
have
two
matters
to
bring
to
your
attention
this
evening.
One
involves
the
renovation
and
redevelopment
of
the
office
building,
that's
associated
with
the
pikesville
hilton
hotel.
It's
already
there
now
we're
just
going
to
change
it
and
redevelop
it
a
little
bit
and
then
you're
going
to
hear
from
the
longhorn
steakhouse.
J
So
the
first
one
on
the
agenda
is
the
office
building
our
design
professionals
at
colbert,
matson
rosenfeld,
hopefully
they've
located
themselves
in
front
of
a
good
microphone.
I
know
we
we
heard
earlier
that
it
was
a
little
difficult
to
hear
carla
and
stu
carlo
ryan
and
stu
darley
from
colbert
matson
rosenfeld.
So
without
further
ado
chairwoman
bedwell
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
professionals
to
walk
you
through
the
presentation
and
then,
of
course,
we'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have
still
or
carla.
K
Yeah,
hello,
everybody.
This
is
stu
darling
with
colbert
matt's
roosevelt,
and
I
see
that
the
presentation
booklet
is
up
there
in
the
title
page
for
the
commercial
building
renovation.
That's
with
respect
to
the
office
building,
that's
going
to
remain
on
site.
There
is
also
two
other
portions
of
the
office
building
that
will
be
demolished
at
some
point
and
to
make
room
for
the
some
of
the
pad
work
out
front
of
the
site.
K
So
let's
go
to
the
next
slide,
martha.
K
We
also
did
pad
a,
I
believe
in
2020
as
well
this
this
one.
This
particular
meeting
is
for
the
office
building,
that's
going
to
remain
it's
going
to
be
renovated,
and
I
know
michael
blake
with
mosley.
Architects
is
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
the
architecture,
but
we'll
save
that
part
for
later.
I
guess
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
slide
martha.
Thank
you.
K
K
K
This
is
the
zoning
map.
Currently,
the
site
is
owned,
bmcc
generally
across
most
of
the
area
of
the
of
the
site.
It's
about
a
10
and
a
half
acre
site.
Most
of
it
is
the
bmccc
zone.
There
is
a
sliver
of
dr
16
that
does
not
negatively
impact
the
property.
K
So
that's
just
a
zoning
map
from
the
county
website.
Again,
the
site
is
dotted
with
the
circle
and
I
guess
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
G
Yeah
sure
this
is
michael
blake
with
mosley
architects.
Just
as
a
point
of
context,
the
the
office
building
was
presented
a
couple
years
ago.
It
had
a
little
bit
more
robust
program.
The
the
current
owner
of
the
property
was
planning
on
moving
their
headquarters
into
that
building.
G
Since
that
plan
there
was
a
a
a
change
and
where
they
were
going
to
relocate
so
they're
occupying
a
different
site
now
with
their
headquarters,
but
they
still
have
needs
to
move
forward
with
some
level
renovation
on
this
plan.
So
what
we
have
up
here
are
kind
of
a
revamped,
a
set
of
project
goals.
G
Some
are
similar
to
what
were
before,
meaning
that
a
portion
of
the
existing
commercial
building
is
planned
to
be
removed
to
make
way
for
some
new
pad
sites,
two
of
which
are
shown
at
the
bottom
corner
of
this
panel
that
were
presented
and
approved
previously
by
by
the
panel
and
the
the
key
point
in
the
redevelopment
strategy
is
that
this
is
an
interim
phase
to
a
longer
term
redevelopment
of
this.
G
This
particular
remaining
portion
of
the
building
so
we're
looking
at
a
shorter
term
extension
of
the
use
of
the
building.
There
are
a
couple
of
tenants
that
have
a
lease
that
needs
to
be
maintained,
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
be
able
to
address
the
portion
building
that
remains,
which
is
primarily
the
east
facing
facade
and
bring
it
up
to
a
level
that
is
going
to
be
compatible
with
the
other
plan
development,
but
and
maintain
the
ability
to
use
those
leasing
spaces
for
approximately
five
years.
L
G
Some
minor
internal
things,
because
the
portion
of
the
building
that
is
to
be
removed
has
one
of
the
exit
stairs
we're
going
to
plant
a
an
exterior
exit
stair
on
the
rear
of
the
building,
which
you'll
see
a
little
bit
later
on.
But.
M
G
Just
wanted
to
point
out
that
what
was
presented
before
is
a
little
different
than
the
plan
today,
and
these
are
the
project
goals
that
we
want
you
to
kind
of
weigh
in
mind
when
reviewing
the
approach
to
the
redesign
okay
next
panel,
so
just
compulsory,
showing
the
site
context.
We've
we've
shared
these
before
so
you
all
know
this
part
of
reisterstown
road.
It's
pretty
much
unchanged
over
recent
years,
lower
right
hand.
Side
is
just
the
current
state
of
this,
the
site
showing
really
how
the
building
is
viewed
from
right.
G
So,
just
to
again
give
some
context
on
site.
The
dashed
line
is
the
outline
of
the
the
current
building.
So
you
can
see
it's
more
of
a
u-shaped
plan.
G
The
portion
that's
poche
and
red
is
that
portion
which
will
be
will
remain
in
place
and
in
use,
and
then
the
the
just
the
dashed
line
at
the
right
hand,
side
shows
the
portion
to
be
removed,
and
this
is
overlaid
on
what
is
the
current
proposed
master
plan?
You
can
see
in
the
kind
of
the
middle
right
there's
a
couple
of
outline
of
a
couple
of
buildings:
that's
the
pad,
a
site
which
is
a
two
retail
or
restaurant
type
spaces.
G
G
Close-Ups
of
the
existing
office
building
lower
right
is
the
aerial
and
just
the
sort
of
numbered
photos
around
the
outside
built
in
the
mid
1970s.
It's
two
stories.
G
The
first
floor
has
two
breezeways
that
bisect
the
building
so
we're
going
to
be
removing
the
right
hand
and
l-shaped
portion
and
then
maintaining
the
sort
of
the
vertical
rectangular
portion
on
the
left
hand,
side
next
slide.
G
A
little
bit
closer
view
just
showing
how
we're
going
to
be
removing
the
existing
portion
portion
and
you
can
see-
we've
got
a
section
cut
a
mark
there
that'll
on
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
two
drawings
that
show
basically
where
that
section
is
cut.
G
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
the
if
you
recall
in
the
existing
conditions,
there's
a
mansard
roof
form
on
the
second
level
that
slopes
from
the
upper
portion
down
to
a
soffited
portion
at
the
walkways,
and
because
of
the
configuration
of
the
new
master
plan,
we've
got
a
an
access
drive,
that's
going
to
impede
on
that
overhang,
so
we
are
proposing
to
basically
shave
the
mansard
off
or
remove
the
hands-on
framing
and
then
reconstruct
the
wall
in
a
vertical
face,
so
that
it
is
clear
that
curb
line
the
column
line
and
the
and
the
walkway
covered
walkway
remains
similar
to
what
is
there
now
we're
just
really
reconfiguring
that
that
along
length
of
the
eastern
face
of
that
mansard
facade
next
slide.
G
G
The
sidewalk
will
remain
in
place,
we'll
probably
have
to
do
a
little
bit
of
repair
as
part
of
the
demo
and
some
of
the
other
work
we're
proposing,
but
in
essence
that
will
remain
and
then,
as
mentioned
earlier,
there's
a
new
exit
stair
that
will
have
to
be
placed
on
the
rear
of
the
building
to
accommodate
the
second
means
of
that
egress
from
the
second
floor,
so
we're
proposing
a
pre-engineered
covered,
exterior
stair,
similar
to
what's
shown
in
that
image.
G
Renderings
of
the
elevations,
the
west
south
and
north
from
a
primary
material
standpoint
will
will
just
be
what
is
there
now.
We
may
do
some
cleanup
and
some
repainting
around
the
windows
and
and
some
of
the
trim,
but
other
than
that
it
will
remain,
as
is
the
west
elevation
we're
showing
the
outline
of
approximately
where
the
new
exterior
stair
will
be
placed.
G
We
have
to
coordinate
that
with
some
of
the
access
inside
and
then
there's
some
one-story
additions
on
the
rear
that
need
a
little
bit
of
coordination,
but
that
that
box
is
essentially
where
that's
going
to
be
going.
G
The
east
elevation
and
the
lower
left
the
sort
of
red,
pochade
or
and
dashed
out
line,
that's
approximately,
where
the
existing
portion
that's
going
to
be
demolished,
connects
to
that
second
level
and
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
is,
along
with
the
reconfiguration
of
the
manzard,
framing
we're
going
to
be
building
new
that
infill
piece
and
then
all
those
four
columns
at
the
lower
level
that
that
will
be
new
columns
to
support
the
what
was
otherwise
a
connection
to
that
existing
building
that
gets
demolished.
G
So
that's
all
new
columns,
new
facade
on
left
hand,
side
and
then,
on
the
right
hand,
side.
Those
are
existing
columns,
but
on
the
second
level,
all
new
facade
in
a
vertical
plane,
we
are
going
to
be
wrapping
the
columns
with
brick
to
match
the
existing
brick
on
the
building.
Currently,
the
columns
are
exposed
painted
steel.
G
G
Concrete
shake
look
shingles
and
then
some
board
and
batten
or
wood
board.
That's
used
on
some
of
the
other
projects
on
site
to
kind
of
marry,
the
two
together
and
then
the
sort
of
sloping
profile
mimics.
Some
of
the
other
elements
on
the
existing
building
the
window
features
that
are
there
now,
so
all
in
all
trying
to
match
the
two
new
development
and
the
existing
building
together
next
slide.
G
G
This
is
a
view
taken
back
from
the
sidewalk
along
reisterstown,
so
when
we
get
into
the
longhorn
steakhouse,
you
can
kind
of
see
how
the
two
would
work
together
and
again,
you
can
see
on
the
starbucks
at
a
development
to
the
left
that
darker
siding.
That's
we're
proposing
something
very
similar
with
this
new
treatment
on
these
facade
to
kind
of
match
those
two
together.
Next
next
slide.
G
G
Right,
just
a
little
closer
up
to
you
from
the
back
side
of
the
pad
a
site
back
towards
the
east
facade.
G
So
I
think
that's
it
other
than
a
close-up
of
the
material
palette,
pretty
simple
palette,
brick
columns
using
the
brick
that's
currently
on
the
building
to
match
aluminum
windows
that
are
kind
of
in
a
ribbon
fashion,
similar
to
what's
there
now
a
composite
board
and
batten,
siding
that
will
be
a
color
scheme
similar
to
some
of
the
other
siding
on
the
pad
a
site
and
then
concrete
or
synthetic
wood
look
shakes
to
match.
What's
out
there
now.
A
E
Cecily,
let
me
check
to
all
attendees.
I
will
unmute
everyone
and
I
will
ask
if
anyone
wish
to
speak.
So
let
me
do
that.
We
have
a
lot
of
attendance
for
tonight's
meeting.
So
let
me
unmute
everyone.
I
just
need
everyone
who's
attending
tonight's
meeting
and
I'm
asking
anyone.
O
N
N
N
So
since
we
have
so
many
people
on
this
meeting
in
the
efficiency
of
you
know
keeping
organized
instead
of
unmuting
everybody,
I
thought
that
they
were
to
sign
up
to
speak
or
was
that
feature
not
available.
E
N
If
you
would
like
a
chance
to
speak,
please
put
your
name
in
the
chat
section
and
we
can
call
on
you
in
turn.
E
And
this
is
the
only
time
that
attendance
can
speak.
This
is
the
time
when
you
can
speak
for
this
particular
project.
So
I
see
mr
zuckerberg's
request.
He
would
like
to
speak.
Mr
zuckerberg,
I'm
going
to
unmute
you
in
a
second,
and
you
have
two
minutes.
If
you're
speaking
on
your
behalf
or
if
you
represent
the
community,
you
allowed
to
speak
for
five
minutes.
M
M
I
P
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
zuckerberg.
So
successfully
there
is
no.
There
are
no
speakers
that
I
can
see
in
my
in
in
sorry.
This
is
my
alarm
for
two
minutes,
so
I
don't
have
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak
for
this
particular
project.
Brett
emery.
Did
you
possibly
received
any
jan.
A
Thank
you
for
checking
on
that.
Would
you
please
move
on
to
the
staff
report
next
then,.
E
We
provide
our
comments
based
on
the
comprehensive
manual
development
policies,
packs
validitization
plan,
pixel
commercial
visualization
guidelines
and
baltimore
county
landscape
manual
in
terms
of
site
design
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
site,
design,
intent
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
provide
a
legible
site
plan,
identify
materials
and
show
dimensions
for
the
proposed
sidewalk.
E
Under
on
the
plan,
number
two
indicate
on
the
plan.
The
location
of
the
doctor
provide
details
of
dumpster
enclosure
and
its
materials.
The
dumpster
shall
be
adequately
screened
from
public
view,
complying
with
the
pattern.
Bounty
landscape
manual,
section
3h
in
regards
to
architectural
design
form
an
image
staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
condition:
number
one
and
all
the
perspective
view
renderings,
show
the
existing
double
chi
by
hilton
hotel
number,
two
label,
the
location
of
the
proposed
rooftop
equipment
for
the
office
building
and
show
how
it
will
be
screened.
E
A
Thank
you
martha,
so
panelists
I'll
move
on
to
our
discussion.
I'm
going
to
start
with
mr
khan.
D
The
one
thing
I
would
ask
first,
is
sort
of
the
question
of
signage.
The
design
you
know
as
it's
been
and
is
now
is
not
very
forgiving
for
where
you
play
signage
and
I
I
think
it'd
be
important
to
see
that,
particularly
if
there
are
multiple
tenants
in
the
building.
A
Very
good,
thank
you.
Miss
frog.
F
Good
evening,
so
I
just
have
a
clarifying
question,
so
you
said:
there's
a
five-year
lease
that's
left
over
and
I'm
assuming
that's
the
tenant,
that's
going
to
be
staying
in
the
office
building
and
then
the
rest
of
it
that
you're
demolishing
is
to
make
way
for
a
future
development.
Is
that
the
right
understanding.
G
That
that
is
correct.
The
one
of
the
tenants
that's
in
the
portion
to
be
demolished
is
west
bank
of
bank
and
we've
just
completed
a
freestanding
new
branch
bank
for
them,
so
they'll
be
moving
out
into
the
new
new
branch
bank
shortly
and
then
the.
H
G
G
I
don't
think
I
can
answer
that
specifically
I
and
I'm
not
sure
the
the
landlord
can
if
they
are
willing
to
they.
I
I
guess
tim
if
you
want
to
speak
to
that,
I
think
it's
probably
out
of
bounds
for
me
to
say
so,
but.
J
Michael,
I
know
I
know
that
sandy
merrenberg
joined
in
on
the
call
sandy's
been
our
project
manager
from
blue
ocean
all
throughout
on
this
pikesville
hilton
redevelopment
sandy.
Are
you
on
and
can
you
hear
us
and
and
could
you
answer
miss
raj's
question?
If
you
happen
to
know.
Q
Q
F
Do
you
have
a,
I
guess,
so
the
part
that
makes
me
a
bit
nervous
and
this
I
don't
understand
this
happens.
All
the
time
with
especially
developments
in
big
sites
is
that
you
get
very
short
term
usage
for
buildings
and
then
you
almost
demolish
and
flip
them
like
they're,
sweaters
or
something.
Q
I
I
in
all
due
respect
a
50-year-old
building
is
not
class
a
or
even
class
b
anymore,
and
and
given
the
results
of
the
pandemic,
there
there's
not
a
lot
of
need
for
old
office
space.
F
Okay,
do
you
have
a
construction
waste
management
plan?
I
guess
I
would
just
encourage
you
to
look
at
plan
having
some
plans
in
place
so
that
when
you
do
demolish,
you
know
it's
a
big
site
and
it
is
actually
on
trend
to
use
recycled
materials
and
I'm
sure
there
are
good
things
to
use
in
this
building.
So
have
that
in
place
for
this
big
site
that
you
have
over
10
acres,
I
I
think
that
will
be
immensely
beneficial.
R
Q
No,
no
and-
and
it's
a
valid
point,
no
again-
that
I
wouldn't
consider
this
to
be
an
energy
efficient
building.
Now
that
it's,
you
know,
45
years
old,
so
you
know
anything
we
do.
There
will
eventually
improve
the
whole
property
and
that's
our
goal
is
to
improve.
You
know,
update
the
property
as
we
go
along
and
make
it
more
relevant
to
the
people
in
bikesville.
F
Q
S
N
A
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
sharma.
M
T
Good
evening,
so
I
I
do
appreciate
the
the
history
that
was
provided
by
mr
blake.
I
I
do
remember
seeing
this
office
building
a
couple
years
ago
and
and
was
wondering
so
thank
you
for
that.
I
I
don't
have
any
comments,
I'm
just
trying
to
be
proactive,
as
I'm
thinking
in
my
head
about
the
motion
coming
up.
T
I
do
have
a
question
for
the
applicant
as
it
relates
to
the
staff
report.
Specifically
the
signage
and
the
lighting
comment.
Are
you
proposing
any
signage
on
the
site
or
building
and
further?
Are
you
providing
and
proposing
any
lighting
that
can
be
perhaps
talked
about
tonight
so
as
to
try
to
make
a
motion
that
that
perhaps
carries
forward.
J
Let
me
let
me
take
a
shot
at
that
mr
youssef
pharaoh
tim
catrocco.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
The
signage
that
you
that
has
been
on
this
master
plan
has
been
shown
throughout
the
times
that
we've
appeared
before
the
panel.
In
fact,
mr
yousefaro
you've
been
very
kind
enough
to
point
out
some
things
to
us
on
previous
meetings,
one
of
which
was
to
check
that
one
of
the
signs
might
have
not
been
on.
J
Our
property
might
have
even
been
on
the
state
highway
property,
and
I
think
we
actually
made
an
adjustment
based
on
your
observation.
So
we
thank
you
for
that,
but
the
signage
has
always
kind
of
been
shown
on
all
the
plans
and
I'm
interested
to
know,
and
it
was
an
excellent
question
that
came
up
earlier
by
mr
khan,
and
that
is
on
the
tenants
that
might
be
in
the
office
building.
Where
might
their
signage
appear-
and
I
think
perhaps
maybe
sandy
merrenberg
might
be
the
best
to
give
an
answer
to
that?
J
And
then
maybe
mr
blake
can
talk
about
the
lighting
and
and
how
we
might
tend
to
the
tenants
that
the
signage
for
the
tenants
that
will
be
on
that
sure
in
the
office
can.
Q
I
can
you
all
hear
me:
yes,
okay,
thank
you,
there's
an
existing
directory
board
and,
I
believe,
there's
more
than
one
of
the
1950s,
for
you
know,
variety,
just
there's,
there's
just
going
to
be
a
handful
of
tenants,
literally
five
or
six
and
the
directory
board.
That's
there
now
will
just
be
updated,
there's
also
existing
lighting.
Q
You
know
at
night
on
the
building
built
into
the
building
that
will
remain,
but
there
won't
be
any
new
large
signage
on
this
building.
The
tech
we're
not
average.
This
there's
no
tenant
here
that
needs
that
this
is
just
directory
at
the
door.
A
Very
good,
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
return
back
to
one
comment.
I
think
that
other
panelists
made
just
ask
about
the
clear
pedestrian
circulation
space
that
is
now
shown
with
the
new
columns
in
place.
What
would
be
the
distance
between
the
inside
column
face
to
the
building
face
or
any
protrusion
of
the
building.
J
G
Yeah,
I
I
think
we
measured
this
at
one
point,
I
I
I
believe
it's
going
to
be
about
14
feet
from
inside
column
phase
to
the
face
of
the
building.
There
are
some
parts
of
the
building
that
have
some
bay
windows
that
diminish
that
by
a
little
bit,
but
I
believe
the
dimensions
14
feet.
A
Okay,
very
good,
thank
you
for
that.
So
you
know
I'll
kind
of
wrap
up
this
sandy.
Did
you
have
something
else?
To
add
to
that?
I
didn't.
J
I
miss
bedwell.
I
did
have
one
thing
to
add.
Maybe
mr
blake
can
answer
this.
I
saw
one
comment
from
the
planning
office
about
providing
seating
areas
for
employees.
Mr
blake,
is
there
an
area
that
can
can
be
utilized
for
that
purpose?
I'm
not
sure.
If
there
is,
I
wanted
to
know
if
you
have
a
reply
to
that.
G
I
guess
the
the
short
answer
that
was
would
be.
We
would
work
with
the
landlord
to
identify
suitable
areas.
I
think
you'll
see
with
the
next
presentation
that
they're,
you
know,
there's
a
more
comprehensive
redevelopment
of
the
site
and
there
are
some
opportunities
for
that
with
some
of
the
other
developments.
So
I
guess
that's
the
short
answer
to
that
question.
Okay,.
Q
Thank
you,
yeah,
just
going
back
to
the
walkway
this.
This
is
the
same
distance.
That's
there
now
and
that
was
approved
in
the
prior
building,
that
this
walkway
distance
hasn't
number
one
number
two
yeah.
We
will
find
places
for
for
employees
to
hang
out.
I
mean
literally
they're
across
the
street
from
the
starbucks
which
will
have
outdoor
seating,
and
you
know
so
there
there
will
be
in
on-site
places
for
them
to
sit
outside
across.
J
And
one
thing
that
was
stated
earlier-
and
I
know
you
all
heard
it-
the
bank
building
has
already
been
built
and
constructed
that
was
approved
by
you
all
previously,
so
we're
making
nice
progress
that
that
is
already
finished
and
nearing
occupancy.
Once
we
do
a
couple
more
things
so
that
the
project's
moving
along
nicely
and
we're
just
trying
to
get
the
next
couple
of
phases
moving.
T
So
this
is
joe
youssef
farrow.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
project
conditioned
upon
the
department
of
planning's
staff
report,
which
is
dated
september
8th
of
2021.
D
N
Cecily,
I'm
sorry
can
I
interrupt
for
a
minute
just
so
we
can
clarify
something
because
joe
had
we
had
a
comment
in
there
that
we
can't
recommend
make
a
recommendation
on
signage
and
lighting,
because
we
didn't
see
any-
and
you
all
have
had
a
discussion
about
that.
So
I
think
the
motion
needs
to
be
modified.
A
T
Yes,
thank
you
jennifer
for
bringing
that
up,
and
I
apologize
for
that.
So
let
me
let
me
take
another
step
at
this,
so
I
I
propose
a
motion
to
approve
the
project
conditioned
upon
the
stat
department
of
planning
staff
report
dated
september
8
2021,
with
the
exception
of
the
signage
and
lighting
comment
from
the
department
of
planning
and
because
there
are
no
new
signs
nor
lighting
proposed
on
the
building.
A
Thank
you
and
then
now
for
the
second.
D
C
A
Hi
very
good.
The
motion
carries
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
assume
we'll
be
hearing
that
the
same
group
next.
So
let's
move
on
to
item
two
which
is
same
same
address:
1726
reisterstown
road,
this
time
we'll
be
looking
at
the
longhorn
stakehouse
on
pad
site
b
and
presenter
go
ahead,
and
please
present
your
project.
The
floor
is
yours
again,.
J
Thank
you,
chairwoman,
bedwell,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over.
We
may
we
may
shuffle
the
deck
a
little
bit
for
you
and
have
some
different
folks
speak
on
the
longhorn
steakhouse.
So
I
know
they
did
a
lot
their
national
concern,
as
you
all
know,
and
they
do
projects
all
over
the
country
and
all
over
maryland
and
I
think
they
have
their
own
personnel
that
are
going
to
be
speaking
to
their
presentation.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
folks
at
longhorn
and
have
them
get
started
with
the
presentation.
J
U
Yeah
sorry
stu
and
I
are
not
in
the
same
location
due
to
our
microphone
issues,
so
yeah
we're
just
going
to
say
stu
and
I
will
we'll
tag
team.
This
yeah.
K
All
right
I'll
start
off.
Let's
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
I
guess
martha.
This
is
obviously
for
the
longhorn
steakhouse,
and
this
slide
is
essentially
a
repeat
of
the
second
slide
from
the
previous
presentation.
So
I
won't
spend
too
much
more
time
on
this
one.
Obviously,
we've
been
here
before,
and
then
we
have
two
bites
of
the
apple
tonight
to
try
to
move
this
project
to
the
next
level.
K
K
That
was,
as
it
was
shown
as
part
of
the
master
plan,
which
was
done
back
in
february
of
2020,
we'll
get
more
in
depth
into
the
relocation
of
the
pad
site
shortly,
but
just
to
just
to
point
that
out
on
this
particular
slide,
I
wanted
to
see
that
the
slide
to
the
right
on
the
same
page
provides
some
context
for
the
existing
signs
to
be
no
go
back.
Please
sorry,
the
side
on
the
right
is
a
signage
master
plan,
type
of
a
slide.
K
It
does
show
the
three
signs
that
we
are
going
to
be
removing
and
the
two
proposed
signs
are
indicated
with
the
heavier
arrows.
One
is
just
north
of
the
existing
entrance
and
the
second
one
is
proposed
between
the
pad
c
bank,
which
is
currently
under
construction
and
almost
finished,
as
tim
mentioned,
and
the
old
location
of
the
pad
b
longhorn
site.
So
hopefully
that
gives
mr
zuckerberg
a
little
bit
more
context
on
the
signage
locations.
K
Based
on
a
couple
of
of
reasons,
we've
moved
that
pad
site
to
now
be
attached
to
the
hotel
and
it
is
about
11
feet
separated
from
the
existing
office
building
to
remain
that.
We
just
discussed
in
the
previous
presentation,
so
the
footprint
actually
got
slightly
smaller
when
we
relocated
it,
but
it
is
now,
as
mentioned,
is
going
to
be
attached
to
the
longhorn
hotel,
and
this
provides
a
little
bit
better
circulation.
K
We
feel
for
the
driveway
across
the
face
of
the
office
building
to
remain
to
get
to
the
bank,
which
is
again
very
close
to
opening
and
also
maintaining
these
a
very
similar
pathway
for
hotel
users
to
get
to
the
main
entrance.
K
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
slide
c
again.
This
is
the
pad
site,
relocated
on
a
site
plan
which
shows
some
landscaping
black
and
white
version.
K
It
shows
pad
site
a
which
is
the
starbucks
which
we've
been
before
you
about
the
existing
office
building
to
be
renovated,
which
we
talked
about
earlier
tonight
and
the
pad
site
c,
which
is
the
bank
which
we
are
also
talked
about
on
a
previous
evening,
so
pad
site
b,
as
you
can
see,
is
now
tucked
in
between
pad
see
the
bank
pad
and
the
existing
office
buildings
who
remain
and
again
it
will
be
attached
to
the
side
entrance
of
the
hotel
at
that
location.
K
Okay
next
slide:
this
is
the
same
zoning
slide
that
we
had
before.
So
we
can
move
through
that.
One.
K
Again,
this
is
a
a
an
aerial
that
kind
of
shows
similarly
to
the
office
building,
gives
site
context
the
overall
site
and
where
the
longhorn
pad
is
going
to
be
in
conjunction
with
the
existing
hotel
building
and
the
other
pad
sites
and
parking
areas
that
are
being
developed
out
front.
It
also
indicates
some
of
the
surrounding
improvements,
retail
gasoline
target.
I
K
K
This
is
some
site
photos
similar
to
the
previous
presentation.
Again,
it's
it's
giving
you
some
context
of
the
site
from
different
photo
locations
which
are
shown
on
the
top
left
slide
again,
the
the
main
one.
It
would
probably
be
the
entrance
slide
number
two
top
right,
which
shows
the
entrance
into
the
site.
There's
a
signage
there
in
the
median
of
the
entrance.
K
K
This
is
some
more
on-site
slides,
as
you
can
see
from.
K
Yeah,
as
you
can
see,
from
item
six
or
slide
number
six
is
showing
an
angle
that
will
eventually
be
where
the
longhorn
is
going
to
be.
It
gives
some
perspective
from
the
parking
lot
towards
the
hotel
and
the
location
of
where
the
hotel
is
going
to
drop
in
next
slide.
K
These
are
the
similar
streetscape
shots
that
michael
had
in
his
presentation
for
the
office
building.
It's.
I
think
he
made
a
good
presentation
of
that,
so
we
could
probably
move
forward
on
that
slide.
K
Again,
this
is
a
another
contextual
location
for
where
the
longhorn
is
going
to
go.
This
is
an
existing
conditions
plan.
The
existing
commercial
office
buildings
are
still
there
and
they're
going
to
be
raised.
The
office
building
to
remain
and
be
renovated,
as
shown,
the
blue
square
is
the
future
longhorn
pad
location
and
then
the
pad
site
c,
which
is
the
bank
that's
mostly
completed.
Its
construction
process,
is
off
there
towards
towards
the
beltway.
K
Again,
another
slide
that
shows
the
previous
location
of
the
longhorn
pad
when
it
was
freestanding.
That
area
has
been
redeveloped,
as
it
were,
on
our
site
plans
to
show
additional
parking
areas.
Landscape
islands
are
provided
and
wall
connections
from
those
parking
spaces
towards
the
longhorn,
as
those
will
probably
be
the
primary
location
for
for
parkers
to
use
the
longhorn
site
for
access
next.
Please.
K
So
this
is
a
state.
This
is
a
a
slide
with
respect
to
the
stormwater
management
for
the
site.
K
All
three
pads,
a
b
and
c
will
be
addressed
for
stormwater
management
requirements
with
the
underground
vault
system
that
we're
showing
on
the
slide
to
the
right
will
provide
water
quality
and
a
variance
to
water
quantity
is
being
requested
based
on
the
fact
that
the
100
year
peak
discharges
are
essentially
the
same
between
the
precondition,
the
pre-developed
condition
and
the
post-development
condition,
based
on
the
opportunities
that
we
were
able
to
do
by
providing
pervious
areas
throughout
the
site
to
offset
some
of
the
new
impervious
areas.
K
Those
those
stormwater
management
plans
are
currently
under
review
with
depth.
Stormwater
management,
section
we've
had
one
cycle
of
comments.
We've
addressed
those
and
resubmitted
them
they're,
currently
under
review,
and
we
anticipate
we'll
be
granted
approval
at
some
point
soon.
K
So
this
is
a
landscape
plan,
rendering
with
the
pad
sites,
as
they
will
ultimately
be
configured
with
the
office
building
to
remain.
It
gives
good
context,
I
think,
to
the
brick
red
stamp,
concrete
crosswalks
throughout
the
site,
to
connect
the
bank
to
the
longhorn
and
the
longhorn
to
the
parking
spaces
and
starbucks
to
the
office
building.
It
kind
of
allows
for
all
the
internal
users
to
walk
between
the
site,
amenities
and
the
buildings
to
get
in
and
just.
I
K
Able
to
get
to
between
the
buildings
on
site
comfortably
next
slide,
so
this
is
a
rendering
of
the
foundation
plantings
that
the
longhorn
folks
have
come
up
with
they
like
to
do
their
own
landscape
plants,
plantings
for
the
actual
area
right
adjacent
to
their
footprint,
and
this
is
the
plan
that
they
came
up
with.
K
This
plan
will
be
included
in
our
landscape
submittal
to
mr
hermann,
for
review
of
the
landscape
and
lighting
plans
and,
as
stated
similarly
to
the
stormwater
management
submittal,
we've
we've
made
a
submittal
to
him
of
the
landscaping
lighting
plans
for
for
the
for
the
pad
site
development.
So
we'll
see
what
comments
he
may
have
with
respect
to
this
stuff,
but
we
we
anticipate.
H
K
K
This
is
a
parking
tabulation
chart
that
we
have
included
as
a
slide
here
to
show
all
the
uses
on
the
site,
including
the
new
pad
sites,
to
generate
a
overall
parking
requirement.
There
was
a
variance
that
was
granted
in
2019
that
reduced
our
requirement
to
607
parking
spaces
and
we
will
be
providing
624
as
currently
configured
on
site.
So
we
we
meet
that
minimum
based
on
the
zoning
variants,
with
with
a
couple
extra
which
the
tenants
will
be
happy
to
use.
K
Next,
please,
so
this
part
of
the
presentation,
I
think,
would
probably
be
best
for
me
to
hand
off
to
the
longhorn
folks
and
they
can
talk
about
their
architecture
and
and
things
associated
with
that.
Thank
you.
O
Good
evening,
and
thank
you
for
your
time
on
the
agenda,
my
name
is
michelle
wright,
a
site
development
consultant
for
this
longhorn
project,
I'll,
say
just
a
few
words
and
then
sean
rodell.
The
design
project
manager
can
speak
to
any
particular
concerns
that
you
have
as
we
progress
through
the
evening.
This
longhorn
is
designed
in
particular
for
this
site
that
is,
as
has
been
explained,
close
to
the
hotel.
We
think
that
this
will
work
excellently
for
hospitality,
for
both
the
restaurant
guest
and
the
hotel
guest.
O
O
Well,
as
far
as
the
structure,
I
think
our
time
might
be
better
spent
in
addressing
any
comments
or
concerns
that
the
panel
has,
rather
than
going
point
by
point
with
our
materials
and
and
through
our
elevations.
O
Q
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
this
building
is
not
attached
to
the
hotel.
This
is
a
freestanding
building
on
its
own
pad
site,
with
a
connection,
a
new
to
be
built
connection
to
one
set
of
doors
at
the
hotel,
so
the
guests
of
the
hotel
can
enter
into
the
restaurant
since
the
hotel
restaurant
will
not
be
serving
in
conflict
with
the
longhorn,
but
the
longhorn
itself
is
a
freestanding
pad
site
with
connection
it's
not
attached
in
the
sense
that
it's
against
the
existing
building.
There
is
a
separation.
A
U
And
I
think,
if
you
flip
to
slide
25
or
sheet
25,
that
would
be
a
good
slide
to
show
exactly
what
sandy's
talking
about
how
the
longhorn
and
that
corridor
will
connect
to
the
existing
hotel
and
that's
also
a
colored
rendered
elevation,
so
that
that
might
be
better
to
look
at.
U
So
the
bottom
elevation
there
shows
that
connection.
Obviously,
the
all
the
way
to
the
right
is
the
existing
hotel,
and
then
you
see
the
the
two,
the
double
doors
there
and
that
would
be
the
connection
and
you
could
see
the
actual
longhorn
and
the
separation.
The
majority
of
it
is
separated
from
that
existing
hotel.
A
Very
good
is
there
any
other
further
points
from
the
presenters
speak
now.
Otherwise,
I'm
going
to
advance
on
to
ask
marta
if
there
are
any
any
folks
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
particular
project,
so.
U
I
I
do
think
we
should
just
because
some
of
the
information
I
think,
might
be
relevant,
like
we
haven't
gotten
to
any
of
the
signage
or
the
site
furniture
things
like
that
before
yours
go
ahead.
Okay,
I
think
we
could
do
it
quickly
so
march.
If
you
don't
mind
just
advancing
to
the
next
slide,
I
think
that's
backwards.
Okay,
yeah!
This
would
be
the
next
one.
U
So
again,
this
is
just
the
material
board
showing
the
different
material
choices
by
for
the
longhorn
and
then,
if
you
move
on
to
the
next
few
slides,
we
have
some
perspective
views
and
they
may
look
familiar
they're
they're,
the
ones
you
also
saw
in
michael
blake's
presentation.
Could
you
move
on
marta
to
the
next
one?
Please.
U
So
here
you
could
see
obviously
to
the
left
is
the
renovated
office
building,
but
you
can
see
our
longhorn
to
the
right.
There
also
is
a
physical
separation
between
those
two
as
well,
and
then
over.
The
structure
to
the
left
of
this
view
is
the
is
the
new
pad
site
a
it's
the
starbucks
next
one,
please.
U
And
then
just
a
little
a
bit
closer,
it's
mainly
the
office
building
in
the
front
portion
of
this
view.
But
if
you
look
beyond
that
would
be
our
our
longhorn
steakhouse
and
then
moving
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
U
So
here
we
have
a
site,
lighting
and
photometric
plan
and
a
few
showing
you
know,
we've
done
the
full
photometric
and
then
all
sight
lighting
throughout
next
slide.
Please.
U
This
is
the
floor
plan
within
the
longhorn.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
from
longhorn
wants
to
talk
about
this
and
also
a
lighting
legend
showing
where
light
fixtures
would
be
on
the
longhorn,
and
I
guess
just
to
for
the
sake
of
getting
through
this
quickly.
We
have
a
couple
cut
sheets
on
the
next
slide,
showing
the
different,
exterior
building
light
fixtures.
If
you
want
to
scroll
through
those,
they
are
labeled
to
match
with
the
this
previous
slide,
there's
another
next
slide.
Please.
U
Again,
yep
the
site,
exterior,
building,
light
fixtures
and
then
next
slide,
and
this
this
slide
shows
the
site
lighting
fixture
there.
We
go
next
slide,
please
these
just
show
some
site
details
so,
for
example,
the
ballard,
the
to-go
parking
sign
detail
that
longhorn
uses
and
then
a
little
parking
plan
showing
where
the
to
go
parking,
where
those
signs
will
be
located,
that's
to
the
right
and
next
slide.
U
U
And
then
next
slide,
actually,
it's
just
a
cover
slide,
moving
into
the
site
and
building
signage.
So
next
slide,
please
so
I
know
we've
already
talked
about
the
the
joint
id
or
shared
tenant
signage.
This
is
the
proposed
pilot
sign.
We
are
proposing
two
of
them
and
they
are
the
exact
same.
So
both
would
look
just
like
this
with
the
list
of
tenants,
the
show's
dimensions
and
whatnot.
U
I
will
note
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
getting
a
variance
to
have
the
second
freestanding
pylon
sign
along
the
frontage.
Only
one
freestanding
sign
is
permitted
along
the
frontage,
and
so
one
of
them
is
has
been
issued,
a
sign
permit
in
the
second
one
we
are
in
for
a
variance.
We
have
a
case
number,
but
we
have
not
yet
been
scheduled
for
the
zoning
hearing,
but
this
is
just
a
sign
detail
showing
what
that
sign
will
look
like
next
slide.
U
V
Sure
I
can
run
through
real,
quick
we're
just
showing
two
standard
longhorn
signs.
Our
signs
are
white
during
the
day,
but
the
longhorn
lights
up
red
at
night,
and
then
we
have
two
of
our
steer
head
logos
on
the
building,
one
on
each
chimney
and
they're
halo
lit.
So
that's
pretty
much
it.
We
just
have
minimal
signage
on
the
building,
because
we
only
have
two
facades
that
face
out
the
other
two
facades
face
building,
so
we're
not
gonna
put
signage
on
them.
V
U
So
the
next
slide
shows
the
other
building
facade.
There
we
go
yep.
This
would
be,
I
guess,
more
of
the
view
from
the
west
bank-
oh
pad
site,
not
the
racers
town
road
front
edge.
U
The
next
slide
shows
a
little
bit
more
sign
detail,
information
about
the
the
wall
mounted
signs
and
then
next
slide.
Please
shows
the
yep.
The
second
slide
detail
sheet
here.
Next
slide.
U
This
is
our
a
bike,
rack
detail
and
we
could
point
out
where
we
are
showing
those
proposed
bike
racks
and
then
I
think
now,
we've
come
to
our
last
slide.
If
you
want
to
flip
to
the
last
one
here,
it's
just
a
concrete,
concrete
sidewalk
detail
for
all
of
the
private
on-site
concrete
walks,
but
for
any
public
sidewalks
we'd
be
using
the
the
county
standard
for
that.
But
this
is
all
this
is
the
concrete
sidewalk
detail
for
on-site
sidewalks,
jan
and
martin.
U
I
know
that
we
submitted
yesterday
a
revised
presentation
that
included
a
little
bit
or
really
just
one
more
slide
about
the
site.
Signage.
Is
that
something
we
want
to
pull
up?
If
possible?
You
tell
us.
J
Yeah,
let
me
just
chime
in
just
quickly,
because
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
one
thing
you
mentioned,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
the
panel
understands.
The
second
sign
that
you
presented
the
the
joint
id
signs.
That
requires
a
variance
approval
by
the
administrative
law
judge
we
have
filed
for
that,
but
we
do
not
have
our
hearing
scheduled.
Yet
that
remains
to
be
seen
whether
the
administrative
law
judge
will
give
us
the
approval
to
have
that
second
sign
on
reisterstown
road.
J
That's
the
joint
id
sign
that
you
showed
in
one
of
the
other
slides.
So
I
wanted
that's
that
was
it
right
there
yep.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
board
understood
that
we
have
another
administrative
hearing
process
to
go
through.
Those
signs
have
always
been
shown
on
our
plans
throughout
these
processes,
and
I
mentioned
earlier
that
even
mr
yousefaro
helped
us
and
corrected
us
and
where
the
one
location
was
to
make
sure
that
we
were
keeping
it
on
our
own
property,
which
we
have
done.
J
So
the
signs
are
important
to
us
as
people
come
off
the
ramp
to
the
beltway
and
and
get
on
the
risers
town.
Road,
they
have
to
make
a
quick
decision
of
whether
they're
coming
into
our
site
or
they're,
going
to
merge,
left
and
continue
going
south
on
reisterstown
road.
J
So
there's
a
a
short
opportunity
for
merger
there,
while
people
who
are
coming
south
on
reisterstown
road
from
the
other
side
of
the
beltway
and
crossing
over
the
beltway
may
have
to
make
a
decision
to
merge
over
into
our
turn
lane
to
come
into
the
longhorn
state
house
or
one
of
the
other
tenant
sites
on
our
property.
So
you'll
have
people
coming
off
the
beltway
to
emerge
on
the
ricerstown
road.
While
there
are
people
coming
down
ricerstown
road
to
merge
into
our
turn
lane
and
pull
into
our
property.
J
So
it's
important
that
the
signage
makes
it
clear
what
they
need
to
do
and
how
they
need
to
do
it
so
that
they
can
make
these
vehicular
maneuvers
in
a
short
distance
and
alleviate
traffic
concerns
as
they
come
in
and
out
of
our
property.
We're
going
to
greatly
improve
the
entrance
into
the
property.
J
J
When
maybe
we
didn't
make
that
clear
enough,
because
he
had
some
questions
early
on
about
that
signage
package
and
and
we've
been
trying
and
we
have
tried
to
meet
with
their
association,
we
have
one
meeting
with
them
and
we're
happy
to
meet
with
them
again
going
forward
if
they'd
like
to
we're
happy
to
make
a
separate
presentation
to
them
so
everybody's
on
the
same
page
with
what
we're
hoping
to
do.
But
we
still
have
another
public
hearing
to
go
to
with
the
administrative
law
judge
regarding
that
signage.
J
But
we
would
ask
for
your
approval
of
the
entire
package
tonight,
the
longhorn
the
office
building,
which
you've
already
done
and
and
of
course,
the
longhorn
steakhouse
we're
happy
to
have
them
at
this
location.
They're,
a
great
a
great
restaurant
and
I
think
they're
going
to
be
a
tremendous
amenity
to
the
to
the
pikesville
community.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
adding
to
it
mark
I'm
going
to
ask
now.
I
know
we
at
least
have
one
speaker
from
the
public.
Can
you
go
through
that
list?
Yes,.
E
Cecil
miss
baseball.
Thank
you.
We
have
alan
zuckerberg
and
I
will
let
him
speak
in
one
second,
mr
zuckerberg,
can
you.
E
E
And-
and
you
have
five
minutes
as
you
represent
the
community
okay,
so.
P
P
However,
there
are
some
questions
that
we
have,
and
one
of
them
is
about
about
the
signage,
but
before
I
get
into
that,
perhaps
somebody
particularly
particularly
mr
catrocco.
Can
you
tell
me
what
happened
at
the
development
review
committee
yesterday
that
I
think
you
all
your
client
went
in
for
a
I'm
told
your
client
went
in
for
a
limited
exemption
on
b2?
J
Actually,
a
b8
allen
with
the
longhorn
steakhouse
moving
its
location
from
what
was
previously
approved.
As
you
saw
tonight
on
this
presentation,
it
was
further
out
on
the
parking
lot
now
it's
moving
in
closer
to
the
hotel
building,
so
the
tenants,
the
residents
of
the
hotel,
can
move
more
easily
in
and
out
of
that
restaurant.
So,
by
virtue
of
moving
that
building,
we
had
to
go
back
to
the
drc
to
get
that
approval.
J
I
didn't
know
I
didn't
want
to
get
too
personal
on
this
meeting,
but
anyway
we
we
still
have
to
go
to
our
hearing
and
it
just
hasn't
been
scheduled
yet
we're
in
the
works
of
getting
it
on
the
calendar.
Well,
I'm
hoping
we
can
come
meet
with
your
association
to
answer
all
your
questions
so
that
the
board
doesn't
have
a
concern
that
we're
not
we're.
Not
you
know
giving
you
all
the
information
you
guys
need,
because
we
still
need
to
do
another
public
hearing
with
you.
P
J
P
Then
the
only
thing
that's
right
now
you're
going
to
have
the
joint
identification
sign
and
you're
asking
for
a
second
one,
correct.
That's.
P
P
For
us,
as
far
as
the
the
steakhouse
is
concerned,
the
reason
I
ask
this
is
because.
I
P
State
stating
that
it's
a
on
a
pad
site
may
have
some
other
consequences
down
the
road
as
far
as
signage
and
some
other
things
is.
Is
this-
and
I
I
just
want
the
panel
to
understand
this-
is
this
really
a
pad
site,
as
as
defined
by
the
county
yeah.
P
Submitted
dated
june
17
21,
it's
completely
different
than
the
the
master
plan
that
was
submitted
in
the
hearing
you
just
had
before
this
one,
which
you
know
that
plan
shows
the
paddy
restaurant
not
not
anywhere
near
the
office
building
it's
between
pat
a1
and
that's
ac.
So
these
things
have
not
been
updated.
If
I'm
not
mistaken
at
any
rate,
maybe
maybe
you
can
address.
A
A
What
is
proposed
is
compatible
with
the
surroundings,
so
I
will
defer
that
to
jennifer
and
her
staff
and
just
give
you
any
more
time
that
you
need
to
remaining
to
ask
additional
questions,
but
that
particular
question
is
not
within
our
purview
for
the
design
review.
P
Okay,
so,
and
of
course,
the
other
thing
is
that
that
the
wave
fronts
well
in
the
in
the
prior
hearing
before
the
panel,
the
panel
was
concerned
about
the
flow
of
traffic,
and
I'm
assuming
that.
That's
not
an
issue
that
you
all
are
concerned
about
at
this
point
in
time,
because
we
would
be
relying
on
you
for
your
advice
as
to
the
flow
of
traffic
at
this
site.
P
A
I
P
A
Thank
you
for
your
input,
I'll.
Let
jennifer
respond
to
your
particular
question
on
the
pad
site.
N
Yes,
I
can,
when
the
project,
when
the
the
pad
say
b
did
come
to
the
panel,
it
was
called
pad
site
fee.
I
I
think
for
this
presentation.
They
didn't
rename
that,
but
from
the
county
standpoint
once
it
does
move
location
and
becomes
attached
to
the
hotel
building,
it
will
cease
to
be
by
nature
of
definition
through
regulations
and
code.
It
will
cease
to
be
a
pad
site
so
and
so,
therefore,
any
anything
that
they
do
to
that
piece
will
no
longer
be
able
to
do
so
through
a
freestanding
pad
use.
E
E
You
cecil,
so
let
me
move
to
the
staff
report.
E
So
the
department
of
planning
has
reviewed
the
proposal
to
confirm,
for
conformance
with
the
following
comprehensive
manual
of
development
policies.
Spikes
will
revitalization
plan
pikachu
commercial
liberalization
guidelines
in
baltimore,
county
landscape
manual
in
regards
to
site
design
staff,
recommends
approval
of
the
site,
design,
intent
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
provide
a
legible
site
plan,
show
dimensions
for
the
proposed
sidewalks
and
clearly
label
all
proposed
amenities,
number
two
correct
statement
throughout
the
entire
presentations
that
the
master
plan
and
signage
were
approved
by
drp.
E
The
master
plan
was
presented
to
grp
in
2019
and
2020
and
received
conditions.
The
applicant
did
not
resubmit
the
materials
for
final
approval
to
the
drp.
The
proposed
signage
was
presented
to
drp
in
november
2019,
but
the
applicant
stated
that
at
that
time
they
did
not
request
approval
for
signage
number,
three:
consider
continuation
of
a
decorative
fence
along
chrysterstown
road,
previously
approved
for
pet
a1
a2,
and
provide
enhanced
landscaping
to
screen
the
proposed
additional
parking
from
reisterstown
road
number.
Four
for
the
entire
site,
an
approved
variance,
number
2019-023.
E
Number
five
provide
details
for
dumpster
enclosure
and
its
materials.
The
dumpster
shall
be
adequately
screened
from
public
view
complying
with
the
baltimore
county
landscape
manual,
section
3h
in
regards
to
architectural
design
form
an
image
staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
condition:
number
one.
On
all
the
prospective
view.
Renderings
show
the
existing
double
tree
by
hilton
hotel
number,
two
label,
the
location
of
the
proposed
rooftop
equipment
for
the
building
and
show
how
it
will
be
screened
in
regards
to
open
space
and
landscape
design.
E
Staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
provide
outdoor
seating
and
dining
areas
for
patrons
and
label
them.
On
the
plan.
Number
two
consider
continuation
of
a
decorative
fence
along
the
reisterstown
road,
previously
approved
for
pet
a1
a2
and
provide
in-hand
landscaping
to
screen
the
proposed
additional
parking
from
reisterstown
road
in
regards
to
streets,
parking
and
circulation
staff
recommends
approval,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
label
dimensions
for
the
proposed
sidewalks
on
the
plan.
E
E
Permits
a
total
of
607
parking
spaces
in
lieu
of
the
required
835.,
since
the
site
design
proposes
624
parking
spaces,
removes
13
parking
spaces
located
along
christopherstown
road
and
provide
additional
landscaping
in
regards
to
signage
and
lighting
staff,
recommends
approval
of
the
lighting
subject
to
the
following
condition:
indicate
if,
if
and
where
additional
lighting
for
the
parking
lot
will
be
provided
and
staff
does
not
recommend
approval
of
the
signage
based
on
that
following
the
department
of
planning
does
not
support
to
join
id
signs
on
the
same
street.
A
Sorry,
finding
my
way
to
the
mute
button.
Thank
you
martha.
I
appreciate
that
panel
will
now
move
on
to
our
discussion.
I'm
going
to
start
in
reverse
order.
I'm
sorry.
A
Yeah,
sorry
right,
sorry,
we
are
in
discussion
at
this
time.
Mr
youssef
pharaoh
go
ahead.
T
Thank
you
good
evening,
marta.
This
is
the
exact
plan
that
I'd
like
to
review.
So
I
appreciate
you
pulling
that
up.
T
My
first
just
comment
is
I
I
didn't
hear
in
the
presentation
where
the
loading
area
or
the
dumpster
area
is.
Could
somebody
clarify
where
that
would
be
sure.
U
Can
I
right
now?
Oh
sorry
I
had
sandy,
I
was
gonna
recommend
moving
to
slide
12
because
I
actually
pulled
that
up
because
I
realized
we
forgot
to
point
that
out
on
slide.
12.
Q
Q
In
addition,
the
loading
dock
area
for
the
hotel
will
be
used
by
the
restaurant
and
there's
an
existing
driveway
that
will
take
them
to
the
back
of
the
restaurant,
where
they
will
by
hand
take
it
up
to
the
back
of
the
restaurant.
Q
T
T
So
so
previously,
I
believe
the
panel
reviewed
the
master
plan
with
the
restaurant
on
the
pad
and,
if
you're
leaving,
you
know,
picking
up
your
coffee
from
starbucks,
there
was
four
or
five
parking
spaces
in
front,
but
now
there's
13
and
I
I
believe
that
in
the
in
the
department
of
planning
staff
report
they're
the
spaces
that
they
they're
proposing
to
remove,
I
I
believe,
there's
a
grading
differential
from
reisterstown
road
down
to
the
site,
but
it
was
hard
for
me
to
read
the
plans.
Is
that
accurate.
Q
Well,
it
varies.
It
gets
deeper
as
as
you
go
towards
the
beltway,
I'm
not
probably
the
best
one.
To
give
that
answer.
K
I
I
R
T
T
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
have
two
more
comments
and
or
questions
that
my
my
next
comment.
Question
goes
to
the
longhorn
steakhouse
team.
There
there's
a
a
comment
in
the
department
of
planning
staff
report
that
recommends
outdoor
seating
and
dining
in
and
around
the
building.
T
My
question
to
the
longhorn
team
is:
is
that
customary
to
what
you
typically
do
on
on?
Let's
say
other
sites
in
in
you
know
baltimore,
county
and
or
maryland.
O
O
So
in
an
effort
to
meet
the
intention
of
the
reisterstown
guidelines,
we
are
planning
benches,
a
depiction
of
which
is
shown
as
a
spec
sheet
in
this
package,
so
that
exterior
seating
is
available
for
guest
waiting
or
for
parties
that
are
going
to
be
joining
others,
and
we
do
not
intend
to
have
any
actual
restaurant
service
in
patio.
Seating
format
for
the
longhorn.
T
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
clarifying
my
next
and
final
comment
has
to
do
with
parking
and
trying
to
understand
the
parking
demand
for
the
center
so
martha.
If
you
could
go
back
to
the
site,
rendering
I
can't
recall
what
page
it
was
that
one.
Q
Joe,
you
are
correct,
that's
for
the
hotel
and
the
13
spaces
that
were
mentioned
prior
by
you
are
actually
assigned
to
the
longhorn.
I
mean
part
of
the
lease
with
the
longhorn.
T
Understood
so
so,
where
I
was
where
I
was
going
with,
the
comment
was
understanding
that
the
I'm
going
to
call
it
the
bottom
left
is:
is
prime
parking
spaces
for
the
hotel,
the
the
I'm
going
to
call
it
the
top
parking
spaces
along
reisterstown
next
to
the
starbucks
and
in
front
of
the
longhorn,
considering
that
there
is
also
another
approved
restaurant
on
the
inside
of
starbucks
it.
It
feels
to
me
that
that
those
spaces
are
absolutely
critical
and
needed
for
for
the
demand
of
all
three
restaurants.
T
Frankly,
it
might
even
be
underparked
so
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
inclined
to
say
recognizing
that
the
spaces
along
reisterstown
road
may
be
a
little
bit
close,
but
they
were
they
were
approved
to
be
closed
before
I,
I
think
it's
a
better
approach
to
keep
the
parking
spaces
in
and
expand
the
field,
recognizing
that
the
hotel
parking
is
already
full.
Whatever
time
of
day
this
was
taken.
A
So
I
appreciate
it,
mr
sharma.
C
Yep
just
to
build
on
some
of
joe's
comments,
I
think
the
you
know
if
the
center
is
truly
over
parked,
as
noted
in
the
staff
report,
it
just
feels
when
you
look
at
this
site
plan.
It
just
looks
like
a
collection
of
four
buildings
that
are
sitting
in
a
parking
field.
It
seems
like
there
could
be
a
stronger
opportunity
to
take
that
promenade
that
runs
in
front
of
the
office
building
and
pull
that
through
front
of
the
longhorn
building
and
then
over
to
the
to
the
bank
site.
C
When
you
look
at
the
site
plans
which
are
fairly
difficult
to
read,
and
when
you
go
through
the
package,
each
one
seems
a
little
bit
different
and
what
it's
showing
so
it's
hard
to
tell
what's
the
final
condition
that's
proposed,
but
the
brick
crosswalks,
which
were
mentioned
to
be
kind
of
the
unifying
element
of
the
site
plan,
oftentimes
just
kind
of
run
to
nowhere.
They
went
to
kind
of
a
fancy
file
under
a
tree
and
then
it
zigzags
back
over
to
another
planter.
It
just
seems
like
there
could
be.
C
Some
more
thought
to
those
true
connections
seems
like
a
stronger
connection
could
also
be
made
between
the
starbucks
and
the
office
building.
I
think
I
know
we're
not
reviewing
the
starbucks
that
I
have
some
concerns
with
that
parking
and
the
drive
through,
and
people
coming
going
from
that
building
with
the
pedestrians
there
just
seems
like
a
lot
going
on
in
a
tight
space,
also
just
the
connection
where
the
former
longhorns
building
was
kind
of
out
on
reisterstown
road.
C
The
way
the
the
parking
and
the
sidewalks
are
designed
there
just
kind
of
feels
like
leftover
space.
It
feels
kind
of
like
two
different
parking
lots.
It
feels
like
there
could
be
a
stronger
connection
back
up
to
reisterstown
road
if
you're
gonna
put
that
sidewalk
differentiating
there-
and
I
do
agree
with
the
staff
report-
that
even
with
the
grade
change
there,
it
seems
like
a
consistent
landscape
edge
would
strengthen
the
frontage
for
this
property
and
it
enhanced
it,
especially
with
the
common
for
trying
to
announce
yourselves
off
of
the
beltway
there.
C
C
I
agree
with
the
sad
comments
about
the
outdoor
dining.
I
totally
understand
the
longhorns
approach.
It
just
seems,
like
you
know
times
like
we're
in
now,
or
inevitably
inevitable,
to
be
here
coming
and
going
and
having
that
flexibility
for
a
space
where
you
might
be
able
to
put
a
table
or
some
benches
out
would
be
nice,
but
again
it
was
very
difficult
to
see
on
the
site
plan
where
the
seating
amenities
were
proposed.
So
I
think,
as
the
staff
report
had
mentioned,
I'm
having
a
clear
sight
plan
would
be
very
important.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you.
I.
F
And
a
comment
first
is
a
question
for
the
longhorn
team.
Are
the
windows
operable
for
this
building.
F
No
they're,
not
they're,
not,
I
wonder,
with
the
comments
made
about
outdoor
seating
and
the
airborne
illnesses
that
we've
been
dealing
with,
if
just
making
the
windows
operable
so
that
you
can
have
better
ventilation
and
and
use
bring
the
outdoors
in
a
little
bit
when,
when
necessary,
might
be
an
idea,
so
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
Another
thing
is
on
the
photometric
plan.
I
think
it's
page
30.
F
there's
some
parts
that
are
just
too
dark
and
normally
for
suburban
parking
lots,
the
minimum
you
want
it
to
be
0.5
of
a
candle
and
there
are
parts
where
it's
there's
going
to
be
foot
traffic,
and
you
know
potential
injuries
and
lawsuits
where
it
is
way
too
dark.
So
I
just
would
like
to
encourage
you
to
make
sure
that
at
least
the
candle
of
0.5
is
met
in
every
spot.
That's
that's
been
pointed
out
there,
like
even
the
average
around
four
is
yeah,
not
even
close.
F
So
that's
a
safety
issue
that
I
think
needs
to
be
addressed,
and
that's
that's
all
my
comments.
Thank
you.
D
D
D
K
Yeah
this
is
this
is
stu
at
cmr
yeah
there's
a
decorative
fence
that
is
along
the
northerly
side
of
the
entrance
into
the
site.
It
runs
from
about
the
based
on
the
site
arrows
for
the
building
footprints.
If
you
can
zoom
up
on
pad
a
it
might
be
easier
to
see,
but
you,
the
first
yeah
there
you
go,
there's
a
sidewalk
running
along
the
entrance
drive
and
then
in
this
space
between
that
sidewalk
and
the
drive-through
lane,
there's
a
decorative
fence.
K
It
will
have
piers
stone
piers
with
a
black
rail
type
fence
in
between
the
piers.
The
fence
starts
at
approximately,
as
you
turn
into
the
drive-through
to
get
to
the
order
board.
That's
about
where
the
fence
will
start.
It
runs
towards
reisterstown
road,
turns
left
and
again
mirrors
the
drive-through
lane,
as
you
get
to
the
pickup
window
and
as
you
can
see,
the
cross
there's
a
sidewall
connection
from
the
starbucks
parking
area
towards
reisterstown
road,
it's
kind
of
in
a
sandy
color,
just
left
or
northerly
of
the
three
reddish
reddish
depicted
trees.
K
The
decorative
fence
ends
right
past,
where
that
walk
connects
to
reisterstown
road
yeah,
and
it
ends
with
it
with
a
final
pier
before
that
larger
tree
as
you
get
to
pull
out
as
you
pull
out
from
the
starbucks
drive
to
lane.
So
that's
the
that's.
The
extent
of
the
decorative
fence
that's
being
proposed
right
now,.
D
A
Yeah
I'll
just
send
her.
That's
that
has
already
the
starbucks
was
already
before
us
and
already
approved,
as
noted
for
the
longhorn
they're
using.
D
A
Thank
you,
mr
khan,
so
just
going
along
with
some
of
the
other
questions
from
the
other
panelists
or
comments,
the
film
moving
of
the
longhorn
has
taken
away
some
of
the
frontage
along
reisterstown.
A
I
understand
that
I
I
do
think
that's
a
bit
detrimental
to
the
read
of
the
site
plan.
However,
I
think
with
the
nature
of
reisterstown
near
the
highway
entrance,
that's
probably
is
acceptable.
So
moving
on
from
that
point,
I
would
like
to
echo
just
some
of
the
the
comments
about
the
the
walkway
connections
through
the
parking
fields.
It
is
unfortunate
that
that
parking
field
is
kind
of
vast
and
it
has
more
of
a
you
know.
A
Instead
of
infill
and
creating
frontage
you're
looking
across
a
parking
field
to
the
new
buildings
and
then
the
where
we
did
have
fairly
good
connectivity
across
we're
missing
that
across
one
of
the
bays,
where
the
pad
site
used
to
be,
I'm
wondering
if
that
can
be
connected
across
to
create
more
continuity
of
the
walkways
across
the
parking
lot.
So
that
would
be
off
the
main
entrance
drive.
You
pass
the
starbucks
one
bay
two
bay
and
then
the
third
bay
does
not
have
a
pedestrian
connection
across.
A
I
was
going
to
make
a
comment
about
connecting
the
sidewalk
that
leads
basically
along
that
third
bay
up
to
reisterstown
road,
but
in
the
responses
about
the
grade
change,
I'm
assuming
that
cannot
be
done
due
to
the
grade
changes.
Maybe
it's
five
feet
from
reisterstown
down
to
that
sidewalk.
That
kind
of
terminates
along
that
three.
K
Yes,
yes,
that's
correct.
The
great
difference
does
get
slightly
more
difficult
to
address
as
you
go
towards
the
ramp
exit
from
I-695.
So
that's
that's
one
of
the
that's,
probably
the
main
reason
we
did
not
try
to
do
a
second
connection
to
to
russia,
town
road
walkway,
the
other
walkway
near
the
starbucks,
is,
is
relatively
flat
and
provides
very
easy
ease
of
access
from
that
walkway
into
the
site.
A
That's
it
I'm
just
staying
on
that
point.
You
can't
quite
see
because
the
trees
might
be
obscuring
it,
but
it
looks
like
then
that
that
sidewalk
then
bends
and
connects
closer
to
the
bank
and
runs
partially
along
the
curving
bank
parking.
K
A
That's
I
mean
to
me
that
seems
a
little
bit
arbitrary,
because
it's
only
surveying
what
five
spaces,
or
so
along
that
location.
I
would
echo
you
know:
planning's
common,
to
increase
some
of
the
planting
along
reisterstown
road
to
screen
that
well
to
use
that
area
a
little
bit
more.
So
it's
not
just
grass,
I'm
not
sure
what
was
shown
there,
but
that's
not
very
environmentally
sustainable
or
useful
if
that
could
be
more
of
a
rain
garden
or
something
that
would
allow
for
more
rainwater
penetration,
something
other
than
grass.
A
So
I
would
like
to
see
some
more
additional
and
useful
landscape
in
that
new
triangle
that
that's
along
reisterstown
road
as
well
as
well
as
potentially,
if
there's
room
for
it,
some
additional
screening
along
those
head-in
spaces
along
reisterstown
road.
I
will
echo
joe's
comment
mr
usfero's
comment
about.
I
would
advocate
for
leaving
the
additional
13
spaces
and
those
of
you
who
know
me
I
never
advocate
for
more
parking,
but
with
the
the
restaurant
uses
and
the
suburban
you
know
this
is
still
a
suburban
location.
A
I
do
think
those
spaces
will
be
needed,
maybe
one
day
they
won't,
but
I
don't
you
know,
given
that
the
reduction
has
already
occurred,
I
I
would
say
to
leave
those
those
13
spaces.
I'd
like
to
just
ask
a
couple
questions
on
the
architecture.
Next,
and
maybe
we
can
go
to
the
black
and
white
noted
elevation
drawings
mark.
I
have
no
idea
what
pages.
A
A
V
Agreed
sorry,
I
had
to
pull
up
my
elevation,
so
I
could
see
him
it's
12
feet
from
the
sidewalk
to
where
the
e
fist
starts.
A
Okay
and
that's
the
lowest
point.
Okay,
that's
good
to
hear.
I
also
have
questions,
and
I
think
I
read
this
correctly-
that
there's
rough
side,
wood
columns
and
maybe
a
wood
canopy.
Is
that
truly
wood?
And
can
you
speak
to
that?
The
use
of
that.
V
A
Okay
and
that's
stained
or
how
is
that
treated.
A
Okay
last
question
on
that
is
the
manufactured
stone
that
typically
requires
a
dimension
off
of
concrete.
I
imagine,
I
see
it
seems
like
the
elevations
have
it
drawn
to
grade,
but
you
don't
believe
that
is
for
manufacturers
recommendations.
Can
you
speak
to
that?
How
much
distance
above
grade
the
stone
is
elevated.
V
A
And
so
then,
that
exposure
is
that
concrete,
is
there
curb?
Is
there
something
else
that
what
do
we
see
where
that
stone
does
not
meet
green.
A
A
And
sandy
that
doesn't
get
you
cuteness
points
or
help
with
the
disposition.
But
it's
good
to
see
your
your
dog
there
so
panel
members
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
C
C
N
I
guess,
if
you
all
wanted
to
do
a
conditional
approval,
pretending
pending
any
you
know,
resolution
or
outcomes
work
through
design
with
planning
staff
and
the
drp
chair.
That's
how
we
do
a
conditional
approval.
C
M
A
Right,
so
let
me
jump
in
here
and
just
answer.
Matt's
question
briefly
answer
the
questions
I
don't
have.
I
mean
I
don't
love
the
fake
stone.
I
don't
love
how
it
doesn't
need
pain,
but
in
this
location
I
think
it's
fairly
acceptable
acceptable.
I've.
You
know,
I
think
that
comments
that
you
mentioned
in
terms
of
pedestrian
circulation
landscape
would
be
the
main
ones
and
then,
if,
if
you
want
to
include
in
your
motion
any
exception
to
the
parking
and
the
staff
report,
those
were
the
items
that
I
noted
so
I'll.
C
I'm
sure
so
I
would
make
the
motion
to
conditionally
approve
allowing
the
applicant
to
work
with
staff
to
make
some
of
the
site
plan
approve
improvements.
As
noted
in
the
meeting.
I
also
would
like
to
include
the
comment
about
the
site
lighting
to
make
sure
that
that
comment
was
reviewed.
I
think
that
came
up
as
a
safety
concern,
so
I
think
those
are
the
two
pieces
to
work
conditionally
with
staff
on.
I
A
You
can
reference
the
the
staff
report,
but
any
additional
comments
have
to
be
verbally
stated
and
any
exceptions
to
that
need
to
be
broken.
C
A
So
I
might
be
overstepping
my
bounds
but
sorry
jennifer,
just
trying
to
move
this
along.
There
were
comments
to
add
additional
landscape
to
the
frontage.
F
N
D
And
I
think
we
talked
about
trying
to
improve
the
access
along
the
front
of
the
office
building
along
in
front
of
longhorn
toward
the
bank
as
well.
A
C
All
right,
let
me
take
another
shot
at
it.
I
propose
a
motion
to
conditionally
approve.
C
The
study
plan
with
the
following
additional
conditions
beyond
the
staff
report
would
be
to
work
with
staff
on
the
additional
site
plan,
concerns
related
to
connectivity,
to
link
the
office
building
longhorn
and
the
bank
site
together
and
potentially
through.
The
starbucks
parcel,
include
the
improved
landscaping
along
roysterstown
road
as
discussed,
and
to
work
with
staff
on
the
lighting
standards
outlined
by
the
county.
N
Well,
I
gotta
I
gotta
interject,
because
our
staff
report
has
some
very
specific
conditions
on
the
site
plan
with
relative
to
reisterstown
road.
We
were
recommending
not
remove
or
removing
the
parking
and
doing
enhanced
landscaping
with
decorative
fencing.
Is
that
the
recommendation
of
the
panel
or
do
you
you
can't
say
that
in
conformance
with
the
staff
report,
if
that's
not
what
you're
recommending
so
sorry,
we
gotta
we
gotta
go
for
this
again
too,
so
that
there
isn't
confusion
on
the
record
of
what
is
being
approved
or
recommended
for
approval.
N
So
if
I'm
hearing
you,
I
think
I
heard
some
discussions
about
some
of
the
panel
members,
not
thinking
that
it's
appropriate
to
remove
the
parking.
But
yet
the
enhanced
landscaping
and
my
question
to
you
all
is:
is
it
enhanced
landscaping
with
decorative
fencing,
like
was
approved
for
the
starbucks,
that
we
recommended
continuing
along
racers
town
road?
In
addition,
enhanced
landscaping,
or
is
it
just
landscaping?
That's
question
number
one
question
number
two
would
be
with
this
with
the
sidewalks
and
the
connectivity.
N
A
Right,
so
thank
you
for
that
jumper.
I
think
those
are
important
points
to
cover.
A
I
do
think
we
need
to
have
a
quick
discussion
on
the
parking.
I
know
that
myself,
as
well
as
mr
usefaro,
recommend
keeping
the
13
spaces.
That
would
be
an
exception
to
the
staff
report.
A
Speaking
for
myself
only,
I
would
say
metal
fence
and
enhanced
landscape
along
reisterstown,
but
let's
have
a
weigh-in.
If
anyone
differs.
H
T
H
A
T
Is
joe
is
the
pharaoh
I
I
do
agree
with
the
staff
report
in
terms
of
the
decorative
fencing
right
now
it
is
proposed
in
front
of
the
two
starbucks
and
second
restaurant
pad.
I
do
believe
it
makes
sense
to
continue
down
so
long
as
we're
able
to
approve
the
the
keeping
of
the
13
spaces,
the
property
line
actually
jogs
in,
and
it
actually
can't
continue
all
the
way
down,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
continue
down
in
front
of
the
13
spaces
so
long
as
the
panel
decides
to
to
approve
it.
D
A
A
Signage,
well,
we
did
not
talk
about
that.
That's
good!
Thank
you
for
that.
I
personally
do
not
have
an
issue.
I
understand
I've
driven
that
that
route
many
times.
I
do
think
it's
a
little
late
at
a
decision
point
to
to
make
that
turn.
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that,
because
it's
not
a
very
urban
condition
or
a
pedestrian
condition.
I
would
recommend
allowing
the
second
thailand
or
support
the
second.
T
This
is
joe
youssef
pharaoh
again
I
I
would
agree
with
you,
ms
bedwell
understanding,
that
there
are
three
signs
there
now
and
I
I
do
think
that
it's
important
to
show
a
customer
coming
off
of
the
beltway,
what
the
sign
and
what
the
use
is
combined
with.
I
think
the
signs
are
overall
tasteful,
so
recognizing
that
so
long
as
the
drp
approves
it,
the
applicant
still
needs
to
go
before
the
administrative
law
judge.
T
I
I
would
also
offer
that
the
the
applicant
mentioned
that
the
height
of
the
signs
would
both
be
the
same.
The
first
sign
is
significantly
down
in
the
site,
so
the
overall
height
would
be
lower
and
the
second
sign
would
be
higher.
So
just
just
putting
it
out.
There
is
as
a
comment
I'm
in
support
of
both.
A
Okay,
hearing
none,
I
will
prompt
not
to
give
it
that
third
shot.
C
Thank
you
and
pardon
me,
because
I've
got
back
to
school,
more
things
happening
here
too,
so
trying
to
juggle
a
couple
things.
I'm
gonna
propose
to
have
a
motion
to
conditionally
approve
the
site
plan
application
to
work
with
staff
with
the
following
adjustments
revisions.
C
The
second
is
a
revision
to
the
staff
report
regarding
the
enhanced
landscaping
along
oysterstown
road.
I
think
the
recommendation
will
be
to
propose
the
landscaping
with
the
fencing
but
to
include
the
to
keep
the
13
proposed
parking
spaces,
as
shown
on
the
site
plan
along
wixerstown
road
road.
A
Very
good,
all
in
favor.
H
A
Very
good
motion
carries.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
presenters
and
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
item
three
and
I
believe
we
will
welcome
fran
anderson
to
our
group,
given
that
it
is
currently
805
I'm
going
in
and
that
the
panel
has
reviewed
these
presentations.
We've
had
these
for
for
some
time
now,
I'll
ask
the
presenters
to
be
fairly
succinct
and
brief.
A
Assuming
that
we
have
all
looked
at
this
and
hit
the
high
points,
and
if
we
can,
I
would
ask
that
we,
the
presenters
for
item
three,
which
is
the
eastland
road
plots
the
hakeem
amata
residence
that
you
begin
your
presentation
now.
The
floor
is
yours.
X
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much
chairwoman
and
thank
you
to
the
panel
for
staying
so
late
good
evening
to
everyone.
I
wanted
to
give
a
special
thank
you
to
marta
emery,
brett
and
jennifer
who've,
been
so
helpful
in
answering
our
questions
and
walking
us
through
this
process.
I'm
consuelo
amat
and
I'm
a
new
assistant,
professor
of
political
science,
affiliated
with
the
snf
agora
institute
at
johns
hopkins
university.
X
We
recently
luis
hakeem
and
I
moved
with
our
son
four-year-old
son
adrian,
to
baltimore
because
of
my
job
at
johns
hopkins
and
we're
very
excited
to
finally
be
able
to
settle
as
a
family
in
a
in
a
city
in
a
place
because
we've
been
moving
around
quite
a
bit
with
my
academic
career.
X
So
we're
just
very
excited
to
to
build
our
dream
house
in
this
lot
and
have
our
son
attend
the
ryderwood
elementary
school
marta?
Could
you
please
go
to
the
next
slide.
X
Briefly,
to
summarize,
oh
by
the
way,
we
also
have
in
the
call
to
answer
technical
questions.
Obviously
I'm
not
an
expert
on
these
things
is
fred
sheckles,
who
is
our
builder
from
10
oaks,
as
well
as
devon
leary?
Who
is
our
landscape
architect,
so,
just
to
summarize
the
project.
These
are
two
adjacent
lots
that
make
up
one
buildable
lot:
that's
2.8
acres
and
we'd
like
to
build
a
single
family
home.
X
Here,
it's
located
off
of
a
proposed
a
panhandle
driveway
along
eastland
road
and
the
property,
is
zone
dr1,
we'll
be
showing
you
throughout
the
presentation.
The
pictures
of
the
state
of
the
lot
currently,
as
well
as
the
proposed
design
of
the
house
working
with
the
slope
of
the
lot
and
the
wide
variability
of
homes
in
the
immediate
neighborhood,
as
well
as
the
larger
ruxton
neighborhoods.
X
We
also
will
show
you
the
the
our
proposed
landscape
plans,
the
exterior
materials
of
our
home
and
we'll
show
you
the
site
plan
that
human
road
developed
to
minimize
grading
and
and
the
clear
and
clearing
of
trees,
and
to
reduce
the
environmental
impact.
Our
next
slide,
please
marta
great.
So
this
is
just
to
show
you
the
proposed
site,
it's
in
surrounded
in
red,
as
you
can
see
that
these
are
our
two
adjacent
lots
that
are
basically
one
buildable
lot.
Next,
one.
X
And
off
of
eastland
road
there's
a
proposed
driveway
that
you'll
get
to
see
in
more
detail
in
the
dra
in
the
site
plan.
Next,
one.
X
Next
yeah-
and
this
is
basically
eastland
road
and
where
you
see
that
car
to
your
right
is
where
that
driver
would
be
going
through
to
enter
the
lot
next.
One
please
to
the
left
of
this
wooden
fence
would
be
where
the
the
driver
would
be
created
next
slide,
and
this
is
one
picture
from
the
the
lot
currently
how
it
looks
next
one,
and
so
now.
X
This
is
a
series
of
pictures
that
will
show
you
of
and-
and
I
wanted
to
indicate
where
these
houses
are
just
to
get
a
sense
of
the
white
character.
X
The
wide
variation
in
the
character
of
homes
are
immediately
around
the
the
lots,
as
well
as
in
the
in
the
larger
area,
darnell
avenue
and
and
the
other
ones
and
indian
head
next
one,
and
I
provided
that
little
star
for
you
to
always
know
where
the
lots
are
with
respect
to
the
helm
that
we're
seeing
on
the
right
and
and
with
the
arrow
directing
it
next.
One.
S
X
X
And
I
think
it's
darnell
yeah.
So
now
we
get
to
the
site
plan
and
I
wanted
to
just
allow
fred
sheckles
from
10
oaks,
our
bill
builder,
to
walk
us
through
a
little
bit
with
this
slide
and
our
next
one,
which
zooms
in
a
little
bit
on
the
on
the
side
plan.
Fred.
Y
Thanks,
consuelo
yeah
yeah,
I'm
sure
everyone
was
indicated.
Everyone's
had
a
chance
to
review
this
there's
a
lot
of
line
work
here,
because
there
is
a
good
bit
of
topography
across.
Y
Panhandle
we
have
driveway
slopes
of
about
eight
to
fifteen
percent
that
comes
down
to
a
turnaround
in
front
of
the
garage.
The
the
red
x's
are
where
we
are
removing
specimen
trees.
On
the
lot
you
can
see
the
the
lot
is
predominantly
made
up
by
specimen
trees.
We
only
went
as
far
as
to
survey
the
ones
that
were
in
the
near
proximity
of
the
building
envelope,
so
it
you
know
it
really.
Y
There's
there's
dozens
of
more
specimen
trees
that
aren't
indicated
on
this
plan
on
the
site
is
served
by
public
water
and
septic.
We
are
providing
some
similar
management
via
dry
wells
behind
the
septic
system
for
the
project.
X
X
Although
my
understanding
and
devin
can
chime
in
if
he
would
like
my
understanding,
is
that
we
would
not
need
a
variance
for
the
trees,
because
we
are
disturbing
less
than
I
think
it's
40
000
square
feet
of
land,
so
we
have,
we
could
have
an
exception
to
that.
To
that
particular
variance
request.
L
Hi
consuelo
this
is
devon,
yeah
just
to
chime
in
that
that's
still
in
work,
we're
in
review
with
deafs
right
now.
With
with
that
those
approvals.
X
H
S
X
X
X
This
is
just
to
show
you,
the
the
the
elevation
of
the
house,
as
well
as
the
proposed
exterior
external
materials,
including
a
white,
brick
and
or
whipped,
painted
white
and
wood.
Some
wood
wooden
accents,
as
indicated
there
and
we'll
also
use
some
hardy
lab,
siding
next
slide.
X
Thank
you.
This
is
the
right
side
elevation,
so
as
you're
coming
in
through
the
dive
way.
What
you
this
is
what
you
first
see
next
slide,
and
this
is
from
the
left
side.
X
The
previous
one,
please
thank
you,
that's
the
back
of
the
house,
which
shows
the
the
brick
towards
the
bottom
and
then
hardy
lap
towards
the
top
next
slide,
and
this
is
just
to
give
you
a
sense
that
this
is
a
home
that
ten
oaks
built
and
so
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
colors
that
the
house
will
have
it's
going
to
have
this
particular
wooden
accent.
X
It's
gonna,
the
brick
is
gonna,
look
like
this,
and
then
it'll
also
have
this
cement
window
details
on
at
the
top
of
the
windows
next
slide.
X
X
We'll
also
have
a
privacy
fence,
six
foot
privacy
fence
along
part
of
the,
and
you
can
see
it
on
the
side
plan,
part
of
the
front
and
and
it'll
be
it'll.
Look
like
this
it'll
be
vertical
or
wood
laid
vertically,
but
it'll
have
the
the
same
color
of
the
wooden
accents
of
the
house.
X
And
this
same
previous
picture
that
we
showed
with
the
elevation
next
slide.
X
And
these
are
the
fruit,
the
floor
plans
when
you
enter
the
house,
it's
at
a
half
level
and
so
you
go
down,
and
so
the
the
actual,
the
the
kitchen
living
room
and
and
dining
and
dining
room
are
actually
on
the
bottom
floor
and
there's
there's
no
basement,
that's
basically
the
basement,
and
so
you
walk
out
to
the
patio
and
then
you
go
up
to
the
rooms
next
slide.
X
Next
slide,
these
are
the
measurements,
and
so
that's
this
is
this
basically
the
second
floor
or
the
after
the
ground
floor,
and
it
has
the
three
bedrooms
and
three
bathrooms,
and
then
you
go
up
half
a
floor
to
the
gym
and
the
study
our
office
next
slide
and
then
we're
gonna
have
a
a
guest
bedroom
and
a
recreation,
a
vocational
room
and
a
storage
closet
next
slide.
X
Some
more
examples
of
that
for
the
back
of
the
house
next
slide
as
part
of
the
drp
process.
We
also
conducted
you
know,
conversations
with
our
neighbors.
We
had
directly
invited
and
had
conversations
with.
There
are
seven
immediate
neighbors
that
the
ruxin
association
provided
to
us
and
we
directly
corresponded
with
the
ones
that
are
have
the
the
red
star.
X
The
green
stars
shows
you
show
you
the
the
people
that
out
of
the
seven
neighbors
four
of
them
came
to
the
to
the
actual
zoom
meeting
that
we
had
with
the
ruxin
writer
with
lake
roland
association,
neighborhood
association,
next
slide,
okay,
next
slide
and
then
lastly,
just
acknowledging
that
we
notified
all
our
neighbors
in
written
form
by
mail
that
they
could
participate
to
the
drp.
Thank
you
so
much.
E
Yes,
ms
batwell,
we
have
three
speakers
who
registered
to
speak.
We
have
linda
oben,
kathleen
lane
and
michael
mckean.
I
probably
start
with
michael
mccann,
since
he
is
representing
the
neighbors.
Z
Yes,
thank
you,
martin.
I
I
think
it
is
probably
the
quickest
for
me
to
go
first
first
because
I'll
have
the
least
to
say,
but
I
do
again,
my
name
is
michael
mccann
and
I
represent
several
of
the
neighbors,
including
the
immediate
neighbors,
on
on
both
sides
and
you'll
hear
from
them.
In
a
moment.
Z
I'll
rather
have
my
folks
speak
to
their
issues,
but
I
wanted
to
at
least
provide
a
little
bit
of
background
or
context
rather
to
the
site
and
what's
surrounded
some
things
that
haven't
been
mentioned
yet
and
if
I
could
marta,
I
think,
would
save
a
lot
of
time.
If
I
could
share
the
documents
that
I've
submitted
to
you
and
just
maybe
go
a
little
quicker
is
that
is
that
okay,
fantastic.
Z
Okay,
I
can
see
my
video
now,
I'm
looking
for
the
share
button.
It's
still
not
showing
yet.
E
Mr
mckenna,
I
have
all
of
your
documents
that
which
you
send
it
to
me,
and
I
can
share
on
your
behalf.
Z
Z
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
Marta
appreciate
it
so
we're
quickly
about
to
cite
a
couple
things
that
I
wanted
to
point
out,
that
sort
of
I've.
Given
my
clients,
some
calls
some
pause
rather
number
one
on
both
sides
of
the
subject:
property.
There
is
a
stream-
and
it's
I
don't
have
a
pointer
here,
but
there
are
streams
on
on
the
immediately
adjacent
lots
to
the
east
and
the
west.
Those
streams
because
of
the
topography,
run
southerly
towards
the
immediately
adjacent
property
which
happens
to
be
lake
roland
park.
Z
I'm
sure
members
of
the
panel
are
familiar
with
that
part
and
just
beyond
so
at
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
two
lots
adjacent
to
those
two
lots
is:
is
that
is
the
park
just
shortly,
just
barely
130
feet
or
so
from
the
boundary
of
those
lots
in
the
park
is
lake
roland
itself,
so
those
streams
on
either
side
of
the
of
the
two
lots
go
to
lake
roland.
The
has
been
has
been
mentioned.
The
slopes
on
this
site
are
extremely
steep
in
excess
of
20.
Z
In
some
places
there
are
due
to
the
existence
of
the
streams.
There
are
significant
force
buffers
associated
with
those
two
streams
that
you
know:
intrude
into
the
to
the
site
itself.
Z
There
are
at
least
at
least
on
the
site
plan,
as
indicated
30
specimen
trees,
I
think
miss
or
mr
sheckles
has
indicated
that
there
may
be
dozens
of
them
beyond
the
thirty
that
are
shown
in
the
plan,
but
all
of
these
environmental
constraints
require
variances
from
from
depths
and
we're
waiting
on
those
on
those
rulings,
the
granting
or
denial
of
those
variances
right
now,
but
they
include
a
variance
to
remove
a
number
of
the
specimen
trees
of
variants
to
impact
that
forest
buffer.
Z
That
is
there
to
protect
the
stream
systems.
So,
as
I
said,
we've
requested
copies
of
those
submittals
we're
still
waiting
on
decision
from
depths.
But
the
point
is
is
that
this
is
this
is
a
difficult
site.
There
are
a
lot
of
constraints
that
are
involved.
It's
not
just
two
lots
that
happen
to
be
in
the
neighborhood
and
those
these
environmental.
Con
issues
have
given
as
you'll
hear
shortly
on
my
clients,
significant
concerns.
The
other
thing
I
would
mention
there
is
unrelated
to
the
zoning
regulations.
Z
Z
Since
we
made
the
the
property
owners
aware
of
that
setback,
they
have
moved
everything
southerly
away
from
that
building
setback.
I
still
perceive
there
to
be
things
in
that
setback.
Z
That
may
require
further
discussion,
but,
as
a
result,
everything's
pushed
southward
again
towards
into
the
force
buffer
towards
the
streams
and
towards
the
lake
rowan.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
talking
and
allow
kathleen
lane,
who
is
an
immediate
neighbor
who
also
happens
to
be
an
architect
and
speak
to
you
about
some
of
her
concerns,
particular
to
things
that
the
drp
is
reviewing.
So
if
kathleen
can
be
unmuted.
A
A
You
know,
bearing
in
mind
context
and
being
compatible
with
surrounding
context
materials,
including
architecture,
landscape,
etc.
So
just
bear
that
in
mind,
as
the
other
folks
have
their
their
two
minutes
time.
Some
aspects
that
have
already
been
mentioned
or
are
not
within
drp's
program.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
Z
Okay,
great
I'll,
let
I'll
let
miss
lane
speak
for
herself,
but
I
know
I
was
going
to
show
her
some
of
the
things
that
she's
going
to
speak
to
some
photographs
and
other
things
so
miss
lane.
You'll
just
have
to
direct
your
request
tomorrow
for
the
things
that
you
want
to
see
or
show.
The
panel.
I
Will
do
and
thank
you,
can
you
enable
my
video
as
well
marta,
and
I
want
to
thank
miss
marta
and
ms
bedwell
and
other
members
of
the
panel-
and
I
am
we
are
immediate,
neighbors
directly
to
the
south,
just
sorry
directly
to
the
north,
along
the
long
border
of
the
property
and
my
husband
and
I
are
both
architects
and
we
are
new
new
neighbors
to
the
community
and
with
all
due
respect
to
those
proposing
the
project.
I
It's
our
strong
view
that
the
design
of
the
house
is
not
appropriate
in
site
design,
architectural
forms,
size,
massing
and
height.
It's
not
compatible
with
the
other
homes
on
eastland
road
and
the
immediately
surrounding
area
of
ruxton
hills,
which
we
don't
define
as
the
rest
of
ruxton
or
darnell.
This
area
predominantly
has
one
and
two-story
ranch
style
houses
which
are
low
in
profile
and
designed
in
deference
to
the
surrounding
wooded
setting
of
our
community,
which
provides
its
defining
character
with
a
much
larger
size
of
three
stories
and
over
5000
square
feet.
I
This
house
has
an
extra
story
and
up
to
double
the
square
footage
of
the
surrounding
homes.
This
is
a
builder's
stock
design
which
is
not
appropriate
or
sensitively
adapted
to
the
specific
conditions
of
this
site.
This
site
is
incredibly
beautiful
and
unique,
and
it
deserves
a
much
more
responsive
and
sustainable
design.
A
house
in
a
setting
such
as
this
should
lie
lightly
on
the
land
nestled
carefully
into
the
existing
landscape
and
surrounding
trees,
with
a
minimal
footprint
to
avoid
disturbance
of
the
landscape
and
removal
of
trees.
I
Z
A
AA
I
guess
I'm
up
next,
my
name's,
linda
owen,
I'm
another
neighbor
on
eastland
road.
I
have
lived
here
with
my
family
since
2012
and
I
am
an
art
conservator
at
the
baltimore
museum
of
art.
This
is
wanting
to
present
some
of
the
context
on
eastland
roads
next
side.
Next
slide,
please.
AA
AA
This
is
the
cul-de-sac
with
the
proposed
entry
right.
This
is
actually
on
my
side
of
this
cul-de-sac
next
slide,
and
this
is
the
proposed
driveway.
You
can
see
how
heavily
wooded
it
is
next
slide
the
site
entrance
again-
and
this
is
with
the
trees
fully
in
leaf,
which
shows
how
dense
the
forest
is,
and
next
slide.
E
That's
all
I
have,
there
is
another.
AA
Okay,
these
are
probably
some
of
caffeine's.
The
point
other
point
I
wanted
to
make
was
that
all
of
these
houses
are
between
the
two
and
three
thousand
square
foot
area,
and
the
proposed
house
is
nearly
double
all
of
the
directly
adjoining
neighbors
another
point
in
the
presentation.
Two
houses
were
shown
twice
with
two
different
addresses.
A
Thank
you
community
members
for
presenting
your
points.
N
Cecily,
I'm
sorry.
We
had
one
additional
speaker
request:
cynthia
dagnole
marta,
if
she's
on,
could
you
unmute
her
yeah?
Can
you
guys,
yes.
AB
Okay,
great,
I
am
a
neighbor.
I
live
at
22019
skyline
road
right
down
the
street
from
this
house,
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
the
comments
already
made
that
they
haven't
discussed
the
view
profile
from
lake
roland
park.
As
you
could
see
from
the
original
design
presentation.
AB
First
off.
The
lot
is
located
as
they
showed
adjacent
to
lake
roland
park.
Lake
roland
park,
as
is
you
know,
defined
in
the
county
master
plan,
is
one
of
the
most
important
pieces
of
green
space
and
public
green
space
in
baltimore
county
and
one
of
the
only
places
of
public
green
space,
and
you
can
refer
to
the
county
master
plan,
the
2001-2010
to
read
about
the
importance
of
lake
roland,
but
the
largest
view
profile
of
the
house.
AB
As
you
can
see
during
their
you
know,
design
proposal
is
actually
the
back
side
and
the
back
side
is
actually
the
size
that
have
the
most
impact
design
wise
to
the
neighboring
community,
because
given
where
they
are
locating
the
house
and
moving
it
further
south
down
the
hill
and
moving
it
into
the
forest
buffer.
It
means
it
will
have
significant
view
profile
from
lake
roland
park
and
the
2010
master
plan
and
the
2001
county
master
plan.
AB
The
ruxton
riderwood
master
plan
both
address
issues
of
development
in
lake
roland
park
and
adjacent
to
lake
roland
park,
and
they
both
address
that
every
effort
should
be
made
to
protect
the
view
profile
into
the
park.
So
not
only
will
it
change
the
wooded
nature
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
house
doesn't
fit
into
the
wooded
character
of
these
smaller
single-story
homes,
but
it
also
affects
the
view
profile
from
the
park,
and
so
now,
this
very
natural
place
where
you
can
walk
and
see
only
trees,
you're
going
to
see
a
large
house
in
the
park.
A
O
E
Names,
we
have
one
more
speaker.
A
In
coming
very
good,
we'll
move
on
to
that
and
I'll
just
let
you
prompt
when
you're
ready
for
the
steps.
A
B
B
Okay,
we
reside
at
1906
indiana
head
road
adjacent
to
where
the
construction
will
will
be
if
this
project
is
approved
and
the
sketches
don't
show
any
trees
to
be
planted
alongside
our
side
of
the
driveway
and
the
long
driveway.
That
would
come
from
the
cul-de-sac
down
to
the
property,
and
so
that
was
a
concern
and
objection
of
ours,
because
right
now,
there's
the
the
that
part
of
our
lot
is
lined
with
trees.
B
And,
of
course,
all
those
trees
will
have
to
be
cut
down
for
the
the
driveway
from
the
cul-de-sac
to
the
lot
to
be
built.
B
Secondly,
there's
mention
of
a
guard
rail
and
we
don't
have
any
details
on
that,
whether
it's
to
be
made
of
metal
like
a
highway
guard
rail
along
the
driveway
or
what
the
aesthetics
of
that
object
would
be
along
a
portion
of
the
driveway.
B
Thirdly,
although
there's
a
mention
that
approximately
eight
specimen
trees
will
be
taken
down
according
to
some
arborists,
the
remaining
specimen
trees
on
the
property
have
such
an
extensive
root
system.
That
more
than
likely
there
will
be
collateral
damage
to
another
four
or
five
specimen
trees,
and
they
are
likely
to
be
affected
and
and
have
to
come
down.
A
AC
I
am
here,
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
sticking
around.
We,
we
moved
the
residential
projects
to
the
end
of
the
agenda
from
my
schedule,
so
thank
you,
everybody
for
doing
that.
Normally
we'd
be
long
gone
by
now
I'll.
Never
do
it
again,
so
I
just
I
have
some
questions
and
some
and
some
clarifications.
AC
First,
on
the
drawings,
the
drawings
were
submitted
and
sort
of
described
as
schematic
drawings.
Are
these
the
final
drawings
that
have
been
submitted
and
are
being
built
and
permitted,
or
do
you
anticipate
some
revision?
Why
were
they?
Why
was
it
described
as
schematic
drawings?
Maybe
that's
for
mr
sheckles.
I
don't
know.
Y
Yeah,
I
can
answer
that,
so
we
we
do
all
of
our
designs
in-house,
but
we're
not
registered
architects.
What
we
do
is
we
work
with
our
clients,
get
a
design
that
works
for
them
watch
their
budget,
and
then
we
take
it
to
an
architect
for
permitting
so
within
this
set.
We
do
have
like
on
within
the
presentation
that
there
were
pages
from
the
architectural
plans
that
will
be
submitted
for
permit
they're
not
in
yet
we
really
wanted
to
get
the
feedback
from
this
board
before
we
submit
it
for
the
permit.
H
W
AC
Okay,
I
do
want
to
look
at
a
couple
of
things.
Maybe
we
could
take
the
one
comment
from
and
I
apologize
to
whomever
that
was
about
the
entryway
and
the
landscape
plan
through
the
entryway
on
the
driveway
there
I
should
say
you
know
it
is
a
little
bit
devoid
of
of
any
screening
along
that
wood
fence
line
there.
I
did
notice,
you
had
a
privacy
fence,
but
it
stopped.
Would
you
all
be
open
to
providing
some
additional
screening
on
your
landscape
plan?
In
response
to
the
comment
of
your
neighbor?
Y
Yes,
so
we
we
didn't
yes
to
answer
your
question.
Yes,
we
would
certainly
entertain
that,
but
there
are
some
relatively
newly
planted.
I
don't
know
if
they're
arborvitae
but
they're
they're,
probably
right
now,
10
or
12
feet
onto
their
property
acting
as
a
screen.
So
so
it's
that
the
screen
on
the
on
the
large
property,
then
a
split
rail
fence
and
then
there's
a
little
planting
strip
that
we
could
plant
some
a
buffer.
But
I'm
not
so
sure
it's
it's
necessary.
AC
Okay,
well,
I
don't
necessarily
need
to
get
into
means
and
methods
here,
if
you
guys
can
work
with
your
neighbor
to
come
up
with
something
that's
mutually
acceptable,
then
that
would
probably
suffice
from
my
perspective
on
that,
you
got
it
with
regard
to
the
removal
of
the
specimen
trees.
Can
you
just
clarify
one
more
time
the
number
of
specimen
trees
that
are
being
removed
and
if
anything,
you
know
in
terms
of
the
rear
of
the
house,
was
a
lot.
AC
There
was
discussion
about
the
view,
the
view
shed
from
the
the
park
inn
if
any
of
the
specimen
trees
from
the
the
that
end
of
the
the
property
are
being
removed.
I
see
you
don't
have
a
marked
with
x's.
L
L
Yeah,
let
me
let
me
take
this
question
so
so
yeah.
We
obviously
there's
there's
quite
a
few
specimen
trees
on
site.
We
surveyed
all
the
specimen
trees
within
the
project
area,
there's
many
more
to
the
south
heading
down
towards
lake
roland,
which
will
not
be
affected
by
the
proper.
You
know
by
the
project
and
hard
to
be
retained.
L
Obviously
you
know
some
specimen
trees
will
need
to
be
removed
to
get
access
to
the
property,
but
the
intent
was
to
try
to
preserve
as
many
as
possible.
So
you
know
there's
existing
forests,
a
lot
of
forests
between
us
and
the
park.
Property
that's
to
remain
and
it'll
also
be
placed
within
a
forest
buffer
easement.
So
that's
a
non-disturbance
area
in
perpetuity.
AC
Right
right
and
with
regard
to
the
buffer
and
the
streams,
I'm
sure
mr
schaefer
and
lincoln's
and
everybody
else
in
depth,
will
deal
with
those
issues.
Can
you
go
to
you?
Have
us
a
plan,
there's
a
section
sort
of
elevation
showing
the
height
of
the
new
house.
It's
not.
This
is
drawing
not
the
scale,
and
then
there
you
go
so
looking
at
this.
You
know
I
see
this.
Can
you
give
me
the
height
of
the
proposed
house.
Y
Yeah,
hang
on
one
second
yeah.
H
Y
Y
That's
so
if
you
look
at
it
looks
like
it's
the
basement,
it's
no!
It's
it's!
It's!
Basically,
the
the
elevation
from
the
side
of
the
garage.
W
AC
All
right
one
thing
I'll
say:
I'm
not
a
landscape
expert.
It
seems
like
most
of
what
the
landscaping
is
that
you're
putting
in
on
this
side
of
the
house
is
a
little
smaller
than
you're
taking
out
mind.
You
perhaps
there's
some
things
that
you
can
plant
there,
that
are
a
little
bit
more
effective
screening
to
your
house
for
the
neighbor,
even
though
you
know,
while
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
height
of
your
house,
you
know
it
is
well.
AC
You
know
below
your
neighbor's
elevation
right,
so
it
can
bear
a
little
bit
of
extra
height,
but
I
do
have
some
concerns
and
you
know
between
that
and
the
screening
maybe
being
a
little
bit
different.
Maybe
somebody
can
make
some
recommendations
here
on
the
panel
other
than
me
about
potentially
changing
landscaping
to
help
with
the
issue
of
removal
of
trees
and
the
prominence
of
your
house.
AC
As
to
the
the
house,
design
and
elevations
and
and
such
you
know,
the
the
left
and
the
right
side
are
pretty
devoid
of
any
windows,
they're
kind
of
just
big
masses,
but
I
don't
know
that
the
left
and
the
right
side
are
are
particularly
in
anyone's
individual
view
shed.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
the
front
and
the
back
are
more
at
play
here.
So
I
guess
I
can
reserve
any
comment
on
the
left
and
the
right.
AC
You
know.
I
do
think
that
the
height
is
a
bit
problematic.
Can
you
put
the
marta?
Can
you
put
the
front
elevation
up.
AC
Y
I'd
have
to
work
with.
You
know.
You
know
that
the
these
gabled
sections
with
the
ipe
wood
accents
are
kind
of
one
of
the
design
features.
So
if
you
bring
the
roof
down,
I'm
curious.
I
wanna
I'm
having
a
hard
time
myself
figuring
out
how
that
roof
system
would
work.
If
we
brought
it
down.
You
know.
One
thing
that
we
could
look
at
is
possibly
hipping,
that
right
side,
the
upper
roof
and
that
and
that
lower
roof
to
kind
of
change.
The
mass
of
the
roof
a
little
bit
right.
N
Can
I
interrupt
and
ask
a
question
a
second,
because
there's
a
difference
in
this
roof
line
compared
to
the
illustrative
elevation,
the
color
elevation,
the
roof
line
is
flush
with
the
peak
of
the
gable
of
that
highest
roof
so
which
is
the
correct
design
marge.
I
can
go
to
the
color
elevation
there.
Y
AC
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
an
effort
to
try
to
clean
that
up
and
bring
that
down
as
much
as
possible
would
be
really
helpful.
With
regard
to
the
color,
we
tend
not
to
dictate
too
much
color
here.
I
do
understand
that
this
is
going
to
be
painted,
brick,
correct
and
and
hardy
that's
correct,
right
and
right
now
the
color
is
going
to
be
a
white.
W
X
S
AC
That's
that's
okay.
I
mean,
I
understand
the
color.
I
would
just
say
this:
if
there
is
an
option
to
look
at,
it
is
fairly
stark
and
it
is
in
a
wooded
area
if
there
is
an
option
to
look
at
sort
of
a
more.
Let's
call
it
natural
occurring
color
in
the
wooded
area,
and
you
can
think
about
that.
I
I'd
like
to
get
other
people's
opinion
on
the
on
the
panel
on
that
and
how
they
feel
about
it.
AC
There
are
lots
of
houses
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
white
and
I
get
that
so
there
are
examples
and
and
to
the
comments
from
the
the
neighbors
about
you
know
what
is
the
immediate?
You
know
vicinity
of
the
house
and
where
should
we
draw
our
design
sort
of
inspiration
and
requirements
from
fortunately,
or
unfortunately,
we
tend
to
allow?
AC
You
know
a
little
bit
wider
radius
than
just
the
street,
because
that
is
the
nature
and
a
fairly
eclectic
nature
of
not
just
you
know
your
neighborhood
in
darnell,
but
the
in
the
entire
ruxton
riderhood
ryderwood
area.
AC
So
but
I
do
think
to
summarize
some
care
and
attention
to
maybe
the
landscape
plan
for
some
more
screening
cleaning
up
the
roof
and
examining
the
possibility
of
bringing
the
roof
down
the
roof
height
down
and
looking
at
the
color,
and
maybe
toning
it
down
to
some
more
natural
color
or
tones
from
the
white
would
be,
would
be
a
good
idea
to
address
the
neighbors
concerns,
and
I
think
that's
all
I
have
at
the
moment.
F
Sure
so,
thank
you,
everybody
for
speaking,
and
I
agree
with
pretty
much
all
the
points
that
mr
anderson
just
made
another
one
concern
that
I
had
was
when
I
was
looking
at
the
section
on
page
28.
F
F
S
L
Slopes
from
north
to
south,
you
know
so
it's
it's
graded
so
that
we'll
pick
up
the
water.
You
know
coming
to
us
from
the
north
side
around
the
house
to
the
rear,
where
our
stormwater
management
facilities
will
be.
We.
I
L
On
either
side
of
the
site,
east
and
west,
which
eventually
becomes
their.
L
S
S
H
E
M
Okay,
and
if
so
he's
concerned,
could
have
been
discussed
and
looked
into
the
with
the
involvement
of
neighborhood
association.
X
N
All
residential
applicants
have
to
meet
with
a
rock
student
rider
with
or
they
they
facilitate
or
schedule
a
meeting
facilitated
through
the
ruxin
ryderwood
lake
roland
area
compete
improvement
association.
So
there
there's
a
community
meeting
that
occurred
for
this
project.
N
And
so
that's
what
the
applicant
reported
back
upon,
and
mr
fran
anderson,
who
sits
on
this
panel
as
a
residential
representative,
also
is
made
aware
of
that
meeting
and
any
concerns
expressed
at
that
meeting
so
that
that
is
how
that
plays
out.
M
M
N
There's
really
no
homeowner's
association
in
terms
of
what
you're
speaking
to
the
design
review
panel.
This
is
it
so
to
speak.
H
M
C
Just
one
one
question:
it's
related
to
the
buffering
and
screening
had
any
consideration
been
made
to
just
mirror
the
floor
plan,
so
the
garage
would
go
to
the
western
side
of
the
site
plan
to
reduce
the
amount
of
impervious
area
and
increase
the
amount
of
buffer
between
this
house
and
the
adjacent
property
owner
to
the
top
side
of
the
hill.
Y
Yeah
this
is
fred.
We
did
a
number
of
different
ways
and
the
issue
with
flipping
the
house,
essentially
is
the
the
driveway
slope
became
too
steep.
The
steepest
part
of
the
driveway
is
coming
around
the
turn.
So
if
you
know
you're
running
20
plus
percent
slopes
in
into
the
garage-
which
obviously
is
just
not
the
best
design
out
there,
so
it
forced
us
to
have
a
garage
right.
D
Yes,
I'm
here,
I'm
sorry
it's
hard
to
hear
you.
I
recognize
that
the
difficulty
of
this
site,
and
but
I
would
say
that
the
thing
that
strikes
me
the
most
is
the
height
issue
and
particularly
being
viewed
from
the
lake
rowland
side
of
this
property,
and
it's
probably
you
know,
45
feet
tall
or
maybe
even
a
little
bit
more
on
the
downhill
side,
and
you
know.
I
think
that
what
fran
anderson
said,
I
think,
is
exactly
right.
D
I
mean
everything
you
can
do
to
lower
the
height
of
this
building
is
significant,
it's
probably
you
know
twice
as
high
as
any
of
these
other
buildings
that
are
immediately
there,
even
though
some
that
are
across
the
street
are
far
larger,
but
I
think
you
know
this
will
be
very
dominant
being
seen
from
the
south
side,
and
I
think
that
to
me
is
a
major
concern.
T
A
Okay
took
me
by
surprise,
I
guess
I'm
up
then
okay,
so
I
would
just
kind
of
echo
friends
comments
on
the
lowering
the
roof,
adding
additional
landscape
buffer,
especially
between
the
the
lot
I
believe
to
the
north.
The
long
lot,
the
budding
and
as
well
as
the
the
along
the
driveway.
A
A
I
do
I
do
like
the
aesthetics
of
the
white
painted
brick,
but
perhaps
a
linen
color
would
still
go
with
those
aesthetics
without
being
so
stark,
in
contrast,
lowering
the
roof,
as
shown,
I
think
in
the
colored
rendering
and
perhaps
even
more
would
be
another
recommendation
that
I
would
echo
beyond
that.
I
would
just
say
you
know
that
from
the
south
to,
I
believe,
that's
the
direction
where
the
lake
would
be
to
the
south.
If
that's
correct,
I
believe
there
is
substantial
existing
tree
coverage
and
distance.
L
Yeah
sure
thank
you
so
yeah
you're
correct
the
the
site
is
at
the
rear
of
the
site
or
towards
lake
rollins.
H
L
I
have
been
down
at
the
low
point
of
the
site
looking
up
in
the
summer.
You
will
certainly
not
see
the
house
in
the
winter,
with
the.
H
L
Off
the
trees,
yes,
you
probably
will
have
a
filtered
view
of
the
rear,
but
again
there's
considerable
distance.
The
you
know
the
the
the
forest
buffer
is
substantial.
It's
you
know,
I
believe
more
than
more
than
half
of
the
property.
That's
that's
going
to
be
retained,
as
you
know,
as
forest
easement
area.
L
So
you
know
and
then,
as
far
as
going
into
existing
forests-
and
you
know
doing
additional
screen
planting-
that's
really
not
practical,
you
know.
So
it's
really
taking
advantage
of
the
existing
vegetation.
It
is
a
steep
slope.
You
know
we
do
have
a
substantial
rise
from
lake
roland
up
to
the
the
home
site,
but
again
that
you
know
that
force
is
to
be
retained.
A
L
L
So
we,
you
know,
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
room
to
provide
screening.
Obviously,
so
the
driveway
was
offset
to
the
west
to
provide
a
little
more
screening
to
the
east.
Okay.
So
that's
why
we
have
the
trees
on
that
side
and
some
shrubs
and
whatnot.
L
L
To
provide
something
that
you
know,
they
would
find
palatable
and
hopefully
make
everyone
happy.
But
again,
it's
you
know.
Through
that
stretch,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
tight
spot,
so
we're
a
little
limited
in
room
if
we
could
work
in
conjunction
with
them
to
provide
you
know
to
have
some
planting
on
their
property.
That
would
work
with
our
proposed
planting.
That
would
be
nice.
L
W
L
Room
for
planting,
we
just
have
a
mixed
buffer.
Planting
of
you
know
ever
mixed
evergreens,
some
deciduous
understory
canopy
trees.
What
I
didn't
want
is
a
solid
wall
of
arborvitae
or
whatnot.
L
This
is
you
know
the
site.
Is
it
is
more
of
a
naturalized
feel.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
propose
along
that
edge.
You
know
putting
larger
trees
in
it.
You
know
at
the
time
of
installation
is,
is
one
thing
that
we
can
look
at
you
know.
Unfortunately,
there
are
some
some
big
trees
there
they're
gonna
have
to
come
down,
but
we
really
don't
have
a
choice.
L
A
All
right
understood
thank
you
for
addressing
that
I
would
advocate
for
larger
trees
and
installation.
The
only
other
question
I
had
sorry
one
one
other
question
and
one
comment:
the
the
width
of
the
driveway
is
what,
at
that,
along
that
area
that
parallels
the
northern
lot.
L
Y
Well,
I
just
said
our
standard
12
feet
and
that's
what
shown,
but
if
it
made
sense
to
go
to
10
to
allow
for
a
little
bit
more
buffer
and
plantings
along
that
driveway,
we
could.
We
could
do
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
I
would
advocate
for
that,
although
I
mean
12
isn't
isn't
enormous,
but
I
think
10
would
be
good
to
both
limit
the
impervious
area
of
the
site,
as
well
as
to
accommodate
the
larger
trees
that
we
were
just
talking
about.
There
was
a
question
from
the
adjacent
property
owner
that
talked
about
that
was
the
retaining
wall
or
a
guard
rail.
Can
you
address
that?
Please.
L
L
That
so,
as
you
come
down
slope
on
the
driveway,
we
have
the
you
know
the
hard
the
hard
left.
Okay,
so
you
know
that
corner
we
have
a
retaining
wall
below
on
the
low
side.
So
for
safety
and
snow.
You
know
that
you
know
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
guide
rail
there.
L
A
All
right,
oh
thank
you.
I
mean
my
last.
The
last
comment,
I'll
make
is
the
boxed
rake
returns.
I
don't
feel
are,
as
historically
appropriate
to
a
rake
return
that
has
some
profile,
but
given
the
the
distance
from
from
any
any
street
view
in
particular,
or
really
the
view
from
adjacent
properties,
I
think
that's
a
limited
detail
so
I'll
and
my
comments
there
and
I'm
looking
to
fran
to
coalesce
the
various
comments
and
questions
and
make
a
motion.
If
I
can
prompt
you
friend
for
that.
AC
Yeah,
I
do
have
one
question:
you
know
in
the
goal
to
keep
the
project
moving
and
to
have
the
homeowners
moving
forward.
We've
asked
for
a
bit
of
a
study
on
the
on
the
roof
right
so
to
bring
it
down,
would
it
be
appropriate?
Maybe
this
is
a
question
for
jen.
I
think
we've
done
this
in
the
past
for
jennifer,
you
know
where
a
revision
is
brought
back
to
the
you
know
staff,
but
with
the
consultation
to
panel
members
as
part
of
that
revision.
Is
that
something
we
can
do.
AC
So
so
let
me
so
let
me
see
if
I
can
do
this,
then
so
what
I
would
move
is
that
we
approve
the
project
conditionally
based
upon
the
following,
that
there
is
a
study
done
on
the
roof
height
and
the
possibility
of
lowering
the
roof
and
cleaning
up
the
roof
detail
on
the
drawings
that
will
be
submitted
to
the
staff
and
reviewed
that
the
landscape
screening
to
the
north,
and
I
guess
we'll
call
that
the
northwest
neighbor
along
the
driveway
will
be
revisited
with
the
neighbors
to
see
if
there's
something
more
desirable
to
the
neighbors,
and
then
that
would
be
revised.
AC
The
color
of
the
house
they'll
examine
the
possibility
of
altering
the
color
to
something
a
little
less
stark
white,
perhaps
the
linen
as
as
was
suggested,
and
then
confirmation
of
the
material
on
the
guardrail
as
timber
and
the
driveway
width
could
be
reduced
to
10.
Based
upon
the
landscape,
discussion.
D
D
C
A
And
I
okay
very
good,
thank
you
that
motion
passes
and
we
appreciate
people's
time
and
we'll
move
speedily
on
to
the
last
and
final
presentation.
Number
four
number
four
is
329
south
wind,
road
and
presenter.
If
you
are
waiting
and
not
currently
asleep,
would
you
please
present
your
project
and,
as
stated
before,
you
know,
assuming
we
have
all
as
panel
members
have
had
this
submission,
so
I
would
urge
you
to
be
expedite
this
touch
on
the
high
points
and
the
most
salient
points
and
then
we'll
then
we'll
move
on.
AD
Thank
you,
chairwoman
that
well,
and
I
cannot
I've
been
told
I
could
take
a
hint,
so
I
will
do
that.
So
my
name
is
chris
knight
I
am
the
homeowner
of
and
my
wife
of
329
south
wind
road,
just
a
very,
very
quick
back
story.
We
had
good
friends
that
lived
in
this
house
prior,
my
wife
and
I
originally
from
the
area
ellicott
city
kind
of
northern
baltimore
county
we
always
loved
visiting
them.
AD
I've
lived
in
federal
hill
for
a
number
of
years
had
to
move
down
to
northern
virginia
for
a
number
of
years
for
work
with
covid
had
the
opportunity
to
work
remote
move
back
up
here
and
at
the
same
time
they
had
to
move
to
connecticut,
and
we
kind
of
it
was
perfect
timing.
So
we
we
actually
purchased
their
house
in
an
off-market
deal,
it's
kind
of
like
we
were
stealing
their
dream
because
they
always
wanted
to
do
what
we
are
proposing
to
do,
and
you
know
we're
very
excited
about
this
project.
AD
As
I
noted
in
our
summary.
You
know
this
is
really
the
culmination
of
10
years
of
weekend
drives
around
northern
virginia
and
baltimore.
We
really
think
this
is
a
unique
neighborhood.
We
think
we've
worked
hard
to
design
a
house
that
really
fits
in
with
the
aesthetic
of
the
existing
houses.
There
are
some
older
houses
that
I
think
you
know
very
much
fit
with
our
design.
AD
You
know,
without
being
too
cliche,
we've
kind
of
designed
tried
to
design
a
modern
farm
house
without
being
too
over
the
top
and
looking
like
something
from
you
know,
one
of
those
shows
that
you
see,
with
barn
doors
everywhere,
no
offense
to
barn
doors,
they're
lovely
at
times,
but
you
know,
I
think
if
you
reviewed
our
project,
you
know.
So
our
house
is
at
the
corner
of
northwind
and
south
wind
road.
AD
I
would
say
the
most
significant
thing
that
we've
learned
to
do
and
we
have
been
in
touch.
You
know
through
various
methods
with.
Let
me
just
pull
it's
like
the
planning
commission.
The
current
house
faces
south
wind
road
with
a
with
a
with
a
side
load
garage
on
the
right
side
of
the
house.
AD
Given
our
existing
plans,
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
do
a
driveway
cut
in
off
of
north
wind
road,
which
is
actually
very
similar
to
what
the
neighbor
right
across
the
street
does
or
the
existing
house.
They
have
a
door
facing
south
wind,
but
their
driveway
cut
in
with
a
side
load
garage
is
off
of
north
wind.
So
we'd
like
to
do
that.
You
know
based
off
of
the
rectangular
nature
of
the
lot.
AD
We
are
unable
to
do
that
on
the
other
side
of
the
house,
but
we
think
we
can
provide
a
really
nice
aesthetic
and
we
also
really
it's
very
important
to
us
actually
to
have
a
side
load
garage.
So
we
have
that
front
profile
of
the
house
facing
the
main
road
that
you
know
doesn't
have
a
garage
other
than
that.
I
don't
think.
AD
There's
anything
you
know
we
have
obviously
labeled
the
plans
as
being
you
know,
reverse,
because
the
the
plans
do
not
currently
show
the
garage
on
the
left
side
of
the
house
or
on
the
right
side
of
the
house,
but
the
site
plan
does
show
that
and
again
try
to
design
a
pretty.
You
know
pretty
basic
house
we're
going
to
use
hardy
plank
marvin
windows,
gonna
have
stone
up
the
foundation
line,
and
then
I
guess
you
know
we
do
have
a
number
of
slides
that
really
show
all
the
floor
plans.
AD
I
don't
think
that
the
panel
based
off
of
my
experience,
you
know,
has
too
many
comments
on
the
interior
aspects
of
the
house.
We
just
included
them
marta.
If
we
want
to
move
pretty
quickly,
we
had
a
second
title
slide.
That
was,
it
said.
Exterior
aesthetics
is
the
title
and
we
can
certainly
page
through
these
and
you
know,
take
a
quick
look
at
the
you
know
the
front
elevation
of
the
house.
AD
You
know
again
long
porch,
there's
that
stone
elevation
that
I
talked
about
up
to
the
foundation
line
and
again
we
would
flip
the
profile
of
the
house.
You
know
pretty
standard
grading,
I
think
and
nothing.
You
know
we
want
to
have
a
walk
out
on
the
side
of
the
house.
There.
AD
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
again.
Windows,
I
think,
are
pretty
standard.
We
want
to
have
this
deck
kind
of
screened
in
porch
off
of
the
house.
That,
I
think,
will
you
know,
complement
things
that
we've
seen
in
the
neighborhood,
but
if
we
actually,
you
can
skip
ahead
a
number
of
slides,
there's
the
side
load
garage
that
we're
proposing
that
will
face
north
wind
road
and
there
are
actually
another
another
number
of
houses
along
north,
one
that
have
side
low
garages
that
face
that
face.
That
road
excuse.
E
AD
AD
AD
Yeah,
okay,
so
we
know
the
next
one
marta,
so
these
are
just
some
existing.
This
is
the
existing
home
that
we
would
plan
to
tear
down.
We
go
to
the
next
one,
marta,
and
these
are
a
couple
of
examples
of
kind
of
what
we've
drawn
inspiration,
both
from
the
neighborhood
and
our
own
personal
preferences.
AD
This
house
is
actually
about
a
quarter
mile
from
the
project
has
a
lot
of
very
similar
characteristics
in
that
we
have
a
long
front,
porch
white,
hardy
plank
and
then
black
window
grids
for
the
front
of
the
house,
and
they
do
have
a
three
car
side
load
garage.
We
can
go
next
tomorrow.
AD
This
is
a
real
quick,
not
that
it
matters
that
previous
slide.
This
is
a
house
in
vienna
virginia
where
we
just
moved
from
again
a
lot
of
similar
aesthetics.
You
know
a
different
lot:
they
had
a
whole
separate
unit
for
the
garage
can
go
next
smart.
Oh,
we
were
asked
to
include
kind
of
like
what
we
envisioned
our
front
door
and
light
fixtures
to
look
like
given
how
important
that
is
for
the
profile
of
the
house.
This
is
what
we
know.
AD
We
kind
of
want
to
have
bold
light
fixtures
on
either
side
of
the
door
with
side
lights,
and
you
know
we're
still
picking
out.
We
think
we
want
to
do
an
alter
door,
but
this
is
the
closest
example
that
I
could
find
of
some
light
fixtures,
and
you
know
general,
with
the
transom
window.
Up
top
is
the
inspiration
that
we're
thinking
about.
AD
AD
This
is
a
house
about
four
units
down
we're
at
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac
really
of
south
wind
road,
very
similar.
It
was
built,
built
and
sold
in
2019.
Again
they
use.
You
know,
elements
of
stone,
facade
and
hardy
plank
siding.
You
know
in
the
foundation
line
to
the
the
stone
foundation
line
in
the
side
load
garage.
AD
So
that's
you
know,
you
know
count
one
two,
that's
three
houses
away
from
our
proposed
project
and
if
we
go
to
the
next
one
martha
and
again,
this
is
actually
the
direct
next
door
neighbor
to
the
previous,
it's
321
versus
319.,
again,
a
similar
house.
You
have
this,
you
know
siding
with
we're
not
going
to
have
shelters
under
the
current
plan,
but
kind
of
this.
You
know
again
modern
farmhouse
with
siding
and
the
side
load
garage
or
some
of
the
major
themes
that
we
wanted
to
provide.
AD
Okay
again,
I
think
again
we
just
want
to
show
the
panel
a
couple
of
against
places
where
we're
drawing
inspiration
and
really
making
an
effort
to
fit
into
the
aesthetic
of
the
community.
So
I'm
certainly
again,
oh
and
then
I
guess
I
should
talk
about
some
existing
trees.
There,
marta
there
are
several
existing
trees,
none
of
which
are
specimen
trees
based
off
of
the
reviews
that
we
have
done.
They
all
range
in
one
to
two
foot
in
diameter.
AD
They
are
pine
trees
for
the
most
part,
and
we've
noticed
you
know
that
they're
starting
to
lean,
particularly
the
one
there
at
the
corner
of
north
wind
and
south
wind.
We
would
definitely
have
to
remove
that
one
due
to
the
fact
that
it's
leaning
and
that's
where
we
want
to
put
our
driveway
cut
in
and
then
some
of
these
other
trees
again
we're
a
little
bit
worried
given
we're
building
a
slightly
larger
house
and
the
ones
there.
AD
There
are
some
tall
pine
trees
that
have
a
shallow
root
system
and
we
do
have
an
landscape
architecture
plan
that
will
replace
those
existing
trees,
which
we
think
will
be
some
very
nice
screening.
AD
AD
And
I
think
that's
the
end
of
any
comments
that
I
wanted
to
share
directly
with
the
panel,
so
I'm
certainly
going
to
open
it
up
to
any
questions
and
then
also,
I
should
have
introduced
him
steve
schneider's,
this
our
builder,
who
we've
been
working
with
on
this
project
for
a
while.
I
was
on
the
line
to
answer
any
technical
questions
about
materials
or
anything
else.
A
Good
thank
you
for
that,
mr
knight.
Marta
are
there
any
speakers
signed
up
from
the
public
for
this
project.
N
AD
And
all
I'm
sorry
chairman
well
all
I
should
have
said
this.
All
I
want
to
say
is
that
we
have
contacted
all
of
our
immediate
neighbors
and
we've
made
an
effort
to
kind
of
go
around
and
knock
on
doors.
We've
only
been
living
up
in
the
area
for
about
two
weeks,
we're
going
to
continue
to
make
that
effort.
We
haven't
been
able
to
directly
contact
them,
but
everyone
has
been
male
copies
of
our
plans,
so
they
know
what
we're
trying
to
do.
A
But
mr
anderson,
we'll
start
with
you
directly.
AC
Okay
thanks
last
night,
I
really
did
not
get
any
feedback
from
the
ruxin
riderwood
association,
so
to
just
to
clarify:
there's
not
been
a
meeting
of
neighbors
but
they've
been
notified
that
you
guys
tried
to
schedule
a
meeting
or
you've
just
been
knocking
on
doors
and
what?
What
was
that.
AD
AC
AD
AC
Okay,
failing
failing
anyone
being
here
to
actually
you
know,
speak
on
behalf
of
themselves
or
the
neighborhood.
You
know
I'll
assume
that
you've
done
what
you
needed
to
do.
I
can
file
back
with
the
association
quickly
after
the
meeting
and
just
verify
one.
D
AC
Comment,
I
don't
know
who's
responsible
for
this,
but
I
would
highly
suggest-
and
maybe
it's
on
a
future
project-
you
do
not
send
in
drawings
that
say,
reverse
plan.
You
want
to
make
this
as
easy
for
us,
as
you
possibly
can,
and
by
not
having
your
site
planning
architecture
plans
coordinated.
It
makes
it
harder
and
we've
all
sat
where
you
guys
are,
and
we
all
do
on
a
regular
basis,
because
we
all
come
from
that
same
thing.
It
just
makes
you
know
you
want
us
to
be.
AC
AC
Again,
whoever
whoever
sent
those
in
you
know
look.
This
is
an
interesting
project.
Just
like
the
last
one
right,
you
are
greatly
increasing
the
size
of
the
house.
You
know
you
have
a
split
level
home
that
is
going
to
become
a
much
bigger
house.
You
have
a
corner
lot,
which
is
fantastic,
but
you
also
have
two
front
doors.
Then
right
so
you've
got
to
be
really
really
careful
with
both
elevations
the
you
know,
the
biggest
thing
I'm
going
to
say
is
you
have
approved,
and
I've
been
part
of
it.
AC
So
so,
in
that
regard,
I
think
I
find
the
house
is
consistent
with
other
things
we've
approved,
despite
the
fact
that
you're
at
the
corner
and
on
and
on
your
site,
is
much
higher
up
in
relation
to
your
neighbors
than
the
ones
at
the
end
of
the
court
right
where
their
sites
are
lower
and
the
the
homes
are
a
little
more
hidden
and
they
do
have
you
know,
side,
loaded
garages
that
are
also
hidden.
AC
AC
I
do
think
the
landscape
plan
and
the
screening
on
the
northwind
side
is
really
important
right
because
that's
your
second
front
door
and
I'm
not
again,
I'm
not
a
landscape
expert.
So
I'll.
Let
others
comment
on
that,
but
so
really
that's
those
my
only
comments.
So
I
really
don't
have
anything
specific
for
you
guys
to
look
at
or
change.
A
Fran
we'll
go
to
joe
first
mystery
is.
A
Thank
you
joe
go
to
mr
sharma
next.
A
A
A
Okay,
very
good.
Well,
thank
you
panels.
I
you
know,
I
I
think
that
maybe
it's
not
a
matter
of
tiredness.
I
just
think
that
this
doesn't
have
any
large
concerns
from
the
panel,
the
materials
I
think
you're
using
and
from
my
viewpoint
I
think
you're
using
a
natural
stone
veneer.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
the
details
of
the
rake
returns
to
me
are
good
and
what
I'd
like
to
see
the
trim
around
the
windows
etc.
A
R
R
Yes,
there'll,
be
a
it'll,
be
a
a
six
by
six
that
gets
anchored
into
the
concrete
which
gets
hurricane
strapped
to
the
roof,
and
then
we
apply
the
pvc
or
the
the
fly
ash
borel
trim
around
it.
We
can
paint
them
white.
We
can
paint
them
a
dark
color.
We
can
even
give
them
a
stained.
Look.
So
that's
just
a
level
of
detail.
We
haven't
quite
gotten
to
yet.
A
Speaking
of
that,
so
I
appreciate
the
the
openness,
but
you
know
we.
We
really
want
to
go
with
what
the
what
is
the
trim
color
and
then
that
should
probably
match
the
trim
color
because
white,
I
would
suggest
white
well.
R
A
lot
of
the
and
chris
you
can
jump
in
if
you
want,
but
most
most
of
the
farm
houses
are
going
with
more
of
a
stained.
Look,
you
know
black.
They
actually
are
doing
the
columns
black
to
match
the
windows,
but
I've
seen
it
both
ways.
I've
done
it
both
ways.
So
it's
purely
something.
I'd
rather
have
chris
jump
in
and
an
answer.
AD
I
can
pretty
confidently
speak
for
my
wife
who's,
putting
our
daughter
to
bed
right
now,
they'll
be
white,
so
there
you
go.
E
R
A
Line,
fine,
we're
not
just
asking
about
the
surrounds
around
okay,
so
I
do
not
have
any
further
questions
again
I'll
turn
to
a
friend
to
make
the
motion.
Since
I
cannot,
I'm
probably
the
only
one
who
made
a
comment,
but
that
would
be
my
you
know
again
I'll
just
restate
you
know
the
columns
are,
as
stated
by
the
applicant
pvc
or
fly
ash.
AC
Okay,
yep,
second,
and
and
before
I
make
a
motion,
mr
knight,
I
am
gonna
highly
suggest
that
you
get
your
architectural
plans
and
your
site
plans
coordinated.
There
will
be
details
that
you'll
need
and
to
have
a
proper
quality
control
on
those
they
should
be
coordinated.
So
don't
begin
building
without
that.
That's
just
mine.
N
Interject
for
a
minute
friend,
this
is
jennifer
from
the
planning
department.
I'd
like
to
clarify
a
couple
of
points.
Mr
knight
was
eager
to
get
on
this
agenda
for
this
evening
and
was
insistent
on
being
put
on
the
agenda,
and
so
in
that
vein,
I
think
this
package
is
somewhat
incomplete.
N
Additionally,
we
had
mentioned
him
several
times
that
he
did
need
to
schedule
a
meeting
with
a
community.
So
in
light
of
what
happened
at
the
last
residential
review,
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
the
panel
recommend
he
reach
out
to
the
community
again
and
get
something
on
the
record
from
the
community.
R
I
gave
the
dates
to
marta
or
all
right.
I
even
sent
her
a.
E
AD
A
AC
Okay,
so
let's
try
this
I'll,
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
project
in
the
following
conditions
that
the
homeowner
reaches
out
to
the
association
again
and
requests
the
meeting
with
neighbors,
and
that
meeting
should
take
place
before
final
approval.
AC
Any
results
of
that
meeting
should
be
brought
back
to
the
staff
and
they
can
decide
if
there
are
concerns
that
are
should
be
elevated
to
the
chair.
I
would
also
the
condition
that
the.
AC
AC
Drawings
that
the
homeowners
submit
the
corrected,
coordinated
drawings
that
coordinate
the
architectural
with
the
site
plan
to
the
planning
staff
and
then
the
last
comment
is
the
column,
trim,
colors
white
pvc
or
fly
ash.
I
guess
that
was
the
comment.
Was
that
right?
A
So
I
I
suppose
you
you,
can
it's
a
little
bit
out
of
sequence
unless
jennifer
has
an
objection
I'll
allow
this
question,
but
then
we
need
to
move
on
with
the
motion.
R
A
You're
breaking
up
a
little
bit,
but
let
me
just
cut
in
here
so
the
motion-
that's
on
the
table
is
a
conditional
approval
based
on
the
requirement
of
the
panel
to
have
reverse
plans
to
coordinate
with
your
other
submission
documents.
D
F
D
We
always
so.
We
also
request
more
specific
information
about
the
materials,
including
the
roof,
and
any
of
the
that
was
included.
A
I
believe
that
was
included
in
the
submission,
so.
S
A
We
have
a
motion
on
the
on
the
table.
I'm
going
to
ask
to
see
if
there
is
a
section
a
second
or
if
there
is
further
amendment.
D
A
Very
good:
we
have
the
second
call
for
vote
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,.
A
And
I
a
very
good
thank
you,
everyone
for
this
evening.
Let's
see,
I
think,
I'm
gonna
supposed
to
formally
ask
for
a
motion
to
close
this
session.
A
To
close
this,
and
if,
if
there's
anything
else,
I
forgot
marta
speak
now,
because
I
don't
see
anything
else
on
my
my
script.
H
T
I'll
try
man,
this
is
joe
youssefer.
I
just
wanted
to
commend
cecily
for
a
job.
Well
done.
Thank
you
for
leading
this
meeting
and
I'd
gladly
make
a
motion
to
close
the
meeting.
A
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
hanging
in
there
glad
we
got
through
all
four
submittals
and
we
are
officially
closed
appreciate
it.