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A
Yeah
excellent
well
welcome
everyone.
This
is
the
October
12
2022
meeting
of
the
Baltimore
County
design
review
panel.
It
is
now
called
to
order
and
I'm
the
chair,
Cecily
Bedwell.
We
will
start
with
a
roll
call
to
account
for
the
members
of
the
panel
present
on
the
call.
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
say
hi
I'll
call
out
those
that
I
know
are
on
the
call
and
Jen
or
Brett.
If
you
see
any
of
Roger
James
join
later,
please
let
me
know
so:
miss
Raw,
Joe,
yusafaro.
B
A
And
I
am
present
so
I
think
that's
all
we
have
tonight.
Three
makes
a
quorum
Jen
officially,
I
know
that
there
is
a
change,
but
would
you
speak
to
the
change
to
the
tentative
agenda.
C
A
You
Jen
okay,
so
regarding
the
the
minutes
of
the
May,
sorry,
that's
not
right!
The
September
14th
meeting
on
September
the
27th.
The
panel
received
the
draft
minutes
via
email.
If
everyone
has
had
the
opportunity
to
review
the
draft
minutes,
please
note
if
you
have
any
corrections
or
additions
to
the
minutes
at
this
time,.
A
Hearing
none
Miss
raw
or
Mr
E's
Pharaoh.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
as
circulated.
A
All
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
aye,
aye,
very
good.
Thank
you.
So
the
motion
carries
and
now
I
will
go
on
to
the
opening
statement
so
bear
with
me.
This
is
a
bit
lengthy,
so
title
for
subtitle
two
part:
one
sections
32-4-203
and
32-4-204
established
the
design
review
panel
DRP.
The
DRP
was
established
to
encourage
design
excellence
and
shall
act
in
a
Consulting
and
advisory
capacity
to
the
agencies
involved
in
the
process
for
reviewing
development
plans.
A
The
objectives
for
drp's
assessment
include
spatial
visual,
functional
relationships
to
the
topographical
characteristics
and
the
Natural
Built
features
of
the
site,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
features
of
the
site.
Visual
and
functional
integration
of
streetscapes,
pedestrian,
Pathways
playgrounds,
recreational
amenities
and
Parks
streets
and
sidewalks
that
they're
laid
out
in
a
safe
and
convenient
Manner
and
parking
is
a
positive
design
element.
A
The
DRP
utilizes
the
guidelines,
plans
and
Architectural
principles
in
the
comprehensive
Manual
of
development
policies
and
or
the
master
plans,
as
well
as
other
guidelines
and
regulations
adopted
into
law.
Certain
areas
of
the
county
are
designated
by
the
County
Council
to
require
review
by
the
DRP.
The
panel
will
provide
a
technical
review
of
the
proposed
project
issues
relative
to
zoning
setback,
relief,
environmental
and
storm
water
management
and
traffic
regulations
do
not
fall
under
the
purview
of
the
DRP
and
are
regulated
through
the
appropriate
agencies
responsible
for
those
aspects
of
the
development
plan
review
process.
A
The
panel
consists
of
nine
members
all
are
professionals
with
practical
knowledge
in
the
matter
of
design.
For
the
purposes
of
making
recommendations
on
a
particular
project,
three
members
sell
shall
constitute
a
quorum.
The
attendance
and
comments
of
each
member
shall
be
recorded
in
the
minutes,
which
shall
be
an
open
record
and
available
along
with
all
documents
submitted
to
the
panel
for
inspection
and
copying
by
the
public.
There
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
offer
comments
and
suggestions
at
the
conclusion
of
the
applicant's
presentation.
A
These
comments
will
also
be
included
in
the
written
record
of
the
meeting
when
a
speaker
is
called
up
to
speak.
Please
keep
your
comments
focused
on
design
perspectives
within
your
allotted
two
minutes
and
of
time.
If
you're
speaking
on
a
on
behalf
of
a
community
group,
you
will
get
five
minutes
at
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting.
The
department
of
planning
will
sum
up.
The
recommendations
of
the
panel
before
a
motion
for
a
vote
is
suggested.
A
Recent
legislation
had
has
changed
the
panel's
recommendations
to
be
advisory
on
the
hearing
officer
and
the
various
County
agencies,
unless
the
hearing
officer
or
agency
is
fine,
that
the
panel's
actions
constitute
an
abuse
of
its
discretion
or
are
unsupported
by
the
documentation.
Evidence
and
evidence
presented.
Disposition
of
the
plan
will
be
determined
as
either
approved,
approved
with
conditions
or
additional
review
with
a
second
meeting
required,
and
that
concludes
the
opening
statement
and
with
that
sorry,
let
me
go
up
to
our
first
item-
will
be
8832
Bel
Air
Road
for
the
Perry
Hall
commercial
review.
E
Being
a
Cecily
Rick
Richardson
here
and
I'll
go
through
the
the
early
part
here.
F
E
Then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
architect
Jeremy
Daly,
to
describe
a
little
more
about
the
the
building
itself.
E
So
this
request
is
to
construct
a
new
Popeyes,
a
restaurant,
with
a
drive-through
on
the
site
existing
buildings.
There
was
a
gas
station
at
one
point
in
time,
they've
been
removed,
mde
cleanup
has
been
completed
and
at
this
point
in
time
it's
a
vacant
site,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
paving
still
is
in
the
front
and
the
the
rest
of
the
site
is
is
vacant
at
this
point.
E
So
there's
a
picture
looking
that
says
south
or
west.
Whichever
way
you
want
to
view
it,
but
it's
we're
calling
it
South
along
Belair
Road,
there's
a
picture
from
just
south
of
the
site.
Looking
North,
you
can
see
it's
very
business.
Centric,
there's
a
shot
across
the
street.
Just
to
the
north
of
us
is
a
small
Shopping.
Center
directly
across
the
street
is
another
small,
Shopping
Center
and
then
okay.
This
one
is
looking.
E
And
then
beyond
it,
you
can
just
see
the
polls
there.
That's
the
B
Genie
electric
lines
that
run
across
Bel
Air
Road
in
that
area.
This
is
a
picture
from
the
front
of
the
site,
looking
towards
the
sorry
a
little
too
fast
yeah.
This
is
looking
back
to
the
back
of
the
site.
You
can
see
it's
a
wooded
area.
It's
a
flood
plain
down
in
there,
we've
done
a
flood
study
had
it
approved
and
that
we
won't
be
developing
any
of
the
area
back
there.
That's
wooded
at
this
time.
E
F
E
Is
right
smack
in
the
middle
of
the
site?
Looking
north
there's
a
couple
of
houses
there
that
have
all
been
converted
to
various
businesses
immediately
to
the
north
of
us.
There
there's
a
little
back
a
little
further.
You
can
see
even
going
back
and
there's
a
church
and
there
are
other
buildings:
commercial,
it's
very
commercial,
along
Bel,
Air
Road,
and
this
this
particular
area
and
there's
another
picture.
E
You
may,
if
you
know
the
area
well
down
to
the
bottom
left
here
in
the
upper
right
are
two
very
large
shopping
centers,
but
our
site
is
the
one
right
smack
in
the
middle
here:
that's
zoned
bmas,
it's
about
one
and
a
half
acres
in
size
and
and
and
just
sits
right
there
on
on
the
north
side
of
Bel,
Air,
Road
or
west
side
of
Bel
Air
Road,
like
I,
said
the
back
part
up
against
the
O3
zoned
property.
That's
all
in
in
floodplain
area.
Back
there.
E
And
here's
the
aerial
picture
you
can
see
just
the
bottom
left:
that's
the
patient.
First,
at
the
pairing
Perry
Hall
Crossing
shopping
center
and
just
off
to
the
north.
There
is
the
other
really
large
shopping
center.
The
rest
of
it
here
along
Bel,
Air
Road,
is
a
smaller
commercial
buildings,
similar
to
what
we're
proposing
and
then
you
can
see
some
residential
off
to
the
to
the
east
side.
There
back
off
of
Bel,
Air,
Road,
correct.
E
This
is
the
site
plan.
Once
again,
like
I
said
it's
it's
about
1.6
acres.
You
can
see,
on
the
left
hand,
side
the
the
the
dark
dash
line
is
all
flood
plain
back
in
that
area
to
the
left
of
that.
The
forest
buffer
line
is
the
one
that's
running
kind
of
just
to
the
right
of
that
line,
the
longer
dashes
and
then
our
site
that
we're
working
Within.
E
The
the
idea
here
is
to
put
a
drive
through
in
we're
going
to
be
having
one-way
circulation
around
the
property.
They
will
enter
into
the
North
entrance
drive
in
and
either
go
to
the
drive-through
Lane,
which
is
right
along
the
building
there.
Where
the,
where
the
arrow
I
mean
the
cursor
is
parking,
is
around
the
perimeter.
E
E
E
There
is
a
seating
area
that
we
added
to
in
the
front
of
the
building
right
where
Jen's
got
the
cursor
and
we
have.
We
have
provided
for
a
bike
rack
as
well.
On
the
North
side,
there
up
against
the
building
and
I
think
that's
unless
you
have
any
other
anything
else.
I
think
that
pretty
much
describes
what
we're
doing
here,
Next
plan
is
just
we're
in
the
middle
of
getting
our
development
plan
approved.
E
So
this
is
all
the
the
comments
on
there
notes
for
the
development
plan,
and
then
this
is
the
the
building
and
I'll
let
Jeremy
take
over
and
give
some
description
of
the
form
and
materials
for
the
building.
C
G
So
this
is
the
the
Popeyes
Nola
image
comes
to
the
design.
I
already
had
some
brick
elements
at
the
entry
and
the
drive
through
pursuant
of
the
requirements.
We've
increased
the
brick
on
this
building
to
be
over
75,
so
front
of
the
building
in
the
two
sides,
and
then
we
even
wrapped
the
corners
at
the
back.
It's
all
going
to
be
a
brick
Assad
at
the
very
rear
of
the
building.
There
will
be
a
portion
that
is
like
this
coloring
of
the
building,
the
reddish
brick
that
you
see
at
the
drive-through
in
the
entry.
G
That's
going
to
be
a
natural
brick
color,
it's
an
Ichi
wall
panel
and
the
other
brick
elements
are
going
to
be
painted
white
color
in
a
gray
at
the
base
on
the
very
front
of
the
building
where
they
see
the
free
Windows.
That
is
a
vertical
wood.
Paneling
system.
Just
give
this
front
elevation
of
just
a
little
accent,
along
with
the
teal
metal,
canopies,
yeah
driver's
side
and
entry
side
of
the
building.
It's
also
teal
shutters.
G
And
also
the
dumpster
enclosure,
as
well
swapped
out
the
cinder
block
with
the
just
a
more
fancy
cinder
block,
and
that
is
also
going
to
be
covered
with
a
brick
veneer
and
painted
the
same
gray
color
that
the
base
of
the
building
is
going
so
buildings
over
75,
brick,
dumpster
enclosure.
Anything
that
could
be
seen
from
the
public
view.
Public
eye
is
going
to
also
carry
through
with
that
same
break
power
from
the
building.
G
We
show
a
single
dumpster
enclosure
on
our
floor
plan,
but
on
the
site
plan
it
had
double
dumpster.
E
Sherry,
so
this
is
the
landscape
plan.
It
has
been
approved
already
by
Mr,
Herman
and
dpr's
office.
Basically,
it's
it
meets
the
requirements
and
so
we've,
like
I,
said
he's
approved
it
already.
A
E
Submitted
yet,
but
we
believe
it
will
comply
with
the
requirements
and
then,
of
course,
the
floor
plan.
If
Jeremy
has
any
description
about
the
floor
plan,
that
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
fairly
straightforward,
but
you
know
left
left.
Side
is
kitchen
right.
Side
is
dining
area.
A
A
Then
I
would
ask
if
Jennifer
if
there
is
input,
let's
see,
let
me
just
make
sure
I'm
doing
this
in
the
right
sequence.
A
Am
I,
correct,
I,
don't
I
think
you
have
a
staff
report.
A
A
Let's
see
but
I
believe
we're
supposed
to
go
to.
Yes,
we're
so
sorry,
I
was
debating
with
myself.
We
do
need
to
go
to
comments
from
the
Community
First.
Are
there
any
speakers
lined
up.
E
No
speakers
in
the
chat
for
this
project.
Okay,.
C
Okay,
in
reviewing
this
project,
we
did
review
the
design
in
utilizing
the
commercial
quarter
section
of
the
cmdp,
as
well
as
the
other
plans
listed
and
then
most
specifically,
resolution
103-20,
which
established
the
Perry
Hall
design
review
panel
area
to
be
reviewed.
C
So,
with
regard
to
site
design,
we
are
recommending
approval
site
design
intent
as
the
building
will
be
located
along
Bel,
Air,
Road
and
accessible
from
Bel
Air
Road
with
form
and
image
per
resolution.
10320
commercial
buildings
that
are
located
near
residential
neighborhoods
should
respect
scale
and
character.
The
surrounding
neighborhood
building
should
shall
meet
the
same
height
and
setback
requirements
as
required
by
adjoining
single-family
homes.
C
The
applicant
does
propose
to
construct
a
new
drive-through
restaurant
on
the
site,
but
through
our
analysis,
we
did
find
that
it
met
the
requirements
of
the
resolution
and
therefore
we
recommend
approval
of
the
foreman
image
in
regards
to
open
space
and
landscape
design,
again
103
20
references,
pedestrian
amenities
and
Landscaping
to
be
provided
for
new
construction
landscape
strip,
no
less
than
eight
feet
with
Street
trees
shall
be
provided
next
to
the
road.
C
We
did
acknowledge
that
they
have
proposed
landscape
strip
with
trees.
Additional
Landscaping
throughout
the
site
and
outdoor
seating
so
I
think
that,
because
the
landscape
we
didn't
know,
we
weren't
aware
that
the
landscape
plan
had
been
approved.
So
you
know
with
the
first
comment
you
know
we
can.
You
can
take
that
for
what
it
what
it
is.
But
if,
if
the
county
landscape
architect
has
approved
the
plan,
then
that's
fine
and
then,
as
of
you
know
today,
with
regard
to
number
two,
they
have
provided
more
details.
C
So
in
that
vein,
I
I
think
it
would
be
fair
to
say
that
we
could
recommend
approval
based
on
your
the
panel's
recommendation
with
regard
to
streets,
parking
and
circulation.
C
C
With
regard
to
signage
and
lighting,
we
do
recommend
approval
the
signage
and
lighting
design
based
on
resolution
10320
ornamental
street
light.
Poles
shall
be
installed,
the
duplicate,
the
look
and
spacing
of
those
constructed
at
Perry,
Hall,
Elementary
School.
This
is
something
that
was
written
in
specifically
into
the
resolution.
So
I
don't
know
how
the
panel
wishes
to
proceed
on
that
I.
Think
we've
made
this
same
comment
on
a
couple
other
projects
recently
and
then
we've
thought
a
comment.
C
Helpful
would
be
helpful
to
provide
directional
signs
at
the
entry
and
exit
to
to
direct
the
proposed
one-way
circulation.
I.
Don't
think
we
saw
that
on
the
plans
or
anywhere
so
indicate
those
on
the
those
locations
on
the
site
plan
and
provide
detailing.
C
F
C
Think
that
it
was
really
all
that
clarified,
but
just
in
case
we
are
satisfied
with
the
architectural
design.
So
we
were
not
furnished
with
these
changes
until
shortly
before
the
meeting.
So
I
did
not
have
a
opportunity
to
change
our
staff
report,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
all
aware
of
those
changes
that
are
in
conflict
with
our
comments
here
on
the
staff
report.
A
Thank
you,
Jennifer,
okay.
So
let's
move
on
to
panel
discussion,
let's
see
and
I
I
do
note.
I
think
James
Stevens
has
joined
us.
Is
that
correct
that.
A
Good
nice
to
have
you
here
thanks
for
joining
us,
but
Raj
has
not
joined
correct
so.
C
We
did
learn
just
very
recently.
He
will
not
be
attending.
A
D
Sure,
okay,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
So
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
comments
to
add
to
the
staff
reports,
but
one
thing
I
noticed
was
on
the
site
plan,
which
is
conveniently
on
the
screen.
Right
now
it
seems
a
bit
dangerous
to
have
the
loading
zone
and
the
dumpster
area
so
close
to
a
floodplain.
A
flood
zone
just
operationally
speaking
I
would
recommend
that
you
consider
moving
it
elsewhere
on
the
site.
That's
not
going
to
be
as
risky
as
we
know.
It's
not.
D
D
E
Not
these
the
area
where
the
dumpster
is
is
several
feet
higher,
even
than
where
the
floodplain
level
is
already
so
moving
it
further
away
is
not
really
going
to
make
any
difference.
D
E
E
Back
just
just
to
clarify
one
little
thing
and
I
know
it's
not
a
big
deal,
but
if
you
do
look
at
the
in
the
middle
of
the
driveway
right,
just
left
of
the
entrance
you'll
see
that
we
actually
have
directional
signs
labeled
there.
That
just
goes
to
Jennifer's
staff
review
comments.
We
did
have
directional
signs
listed
there.
Okay,.
E
Here
so
yeah
I
thought
the
sign
was
included,
but
maybe
not
should
have
been
with
the
architecturals
I
thought
it
was
or
actually
maybe
it's
on
that
it's
not
on
our
detail
plan.
A
D
A
Joe
Mr
eustafera.
Would
you
like
to
go
next.
B
I
sure
would
and
good
evening
everyone,
so
my
name
is
Joseph
yusuferro
and
and
thank
you
Jennifer
for
putting
the
site
plan
up
so
number.
One
I'd
like
to
speak
to
the
applicant
I
think
the
package
was
very
well
done
and
complete.
So
thank
you
for
number
one,
the
thoroughness
and
then
number
two
for
addressing
the
the
comments
in
Baltimore
County
resolution
103-20.
B
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
because
the
resolution
requires
the
design
review
panel
to
review
for
all
of
the
criteria
in
the
resolution.
I'm
going
to
quickly
go
down
and
just
make
sure
of
what
I
heard
so
the
first
one
is
new
building
should
be
predominantly
designed
with
brick.
Greater
than
75
I
did
hear.
Mr
Danley
speak
to
that
number
number
two
is
The:
Pedestrian
amenities
and
Landscape
I
do
see
the
sidewalk
as
well
as
the
Mr
Richardson
mentioned.
The
landscape
plan
has
been
approved
by
Jim
Herman,
so
that's
great.
B
The
light
poles
should
duplicate,
Perry,
Hall,
Elementary,
School,
yeah,
I
I'd,
say
just
you
know:
I
I,
actually
I'm
a
civil
engineer
by
trade
I
had
a
project
across
the
street
and
actually
went
to
the
elementary
school
and
took
a
picture
and
put
it
on
the
plan.
So
Mr
Richard
said
I'd
ask
you
to
do
the
same
thing.
E
I,
looked
at
the
lights
up
there
in
front
of
it
and
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
lights.
It's
just
you
know.
How
do
we
know
where
we're
going
to
put
them
versus
where,
because
there
aren't
any
others
in
this
area,
you
know
how
do
we
start
this
pattern
or
how
does
the
county
get
this
pattern
developed?
E
You
know,
that's
a
it's
a
nice
idea,
but
I
think
somebody
could
use
some
direction
and
maybe
that's
going
to
come
from
DP,
W
and
T
I,
don't
know
yeah.
B
I
would
agree,
there's
not
any
kind
of
specificity
in
the
in
the
resolution,
so
I
I,
you
know,
that's
all
that
I
really
had
number
five
is
building
entries
should
face
the
road
and
then
additional
storefront
windows
should
be
included
and
I
I
think
you
you,
you
nailed
both
of
those
new
commercial
buildings
should
be
placed
as
close
to
the
main
road
as
possible
and
I.
Think
you
did
that.
B
There's
not
parking
between
the
road
and
the
building,
so
I
think
you
did
accomplish
that.
The
appropriate
scale
is
consistent
with
the
neighborhood,
as
Jennifer
mentioned.
I.
Think
you
accomplished
that
the
the
integrated
signage
I
do
think
the
signage
shown
on
the
building
is
appropriate.
I
also
think
the
Monument
sign
that,
unfortunately,
is
not
coming
up
here,
is
also
appropriate
at
10
feet.
B
Tall
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
chicken
sandwich
picture
and
is
that
a
changeable
sign
or
is
that
simply
a
very
colorful
delicious?
Looking
sign.
J
Okay,
Jeremy,
if
I
could
jump
in
I'm
head
back
to
the
applicant.
This
isn't
only
one
option
of
the
monument
sign
with
a
digital
menu
board
at
the
bottom,
but
we
usually
don't
do
that.
We
can
it'll
just
be
the
top
and
then
the
bottom
would
just
be
the
base.
It'd
be
Louisiana,
Kitchen
and
Popeyes,
but
then
it'll
be
a
stone
base
on
the
bottom.
B
Okay,
excellent
yeah
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
other
changeable
signs
in
this
Corridor
and
I
know
the
county
doesn't
quite
love
those.
So
if
you
could
Mr
Bax
change
that
that
would
be
excellent.
B
B
Now
I
I
think
it's
appropriate
where
it
is
shown
on
the
side
to
maximize
the
drive
through
queuing
around
the
building,
but
I
think
my
question
is
for
Jennifer
Nugent.
How?
How
do
we
review
this
resolution
and
do
we?
Can
we
make
a
finding
that
it's
appropriate,
as
shown.
B
I
I,
have
it
right,
I,
have
it
right
here,
so
it
says:
dumpsters
and
drive
through
Windows
should
be
located
and
positioned
at
the
rear
of
the
building
and
screened
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
So
the
dumpster
certainly
is,
but
it
says,
drive
through
window.
C
C
Commercial
uses,
I
I
think
it
could
be
fair
to
argue
that
it
is
screened
for
the
residential
neighborhood,
because
if
they
were
to
put
it
on
the
rear,
I,
don't
think
they
would
meet
the
stacking
requirements
and
traffic
circulation.
B
I
I
totally
agree
so
yeah,
okay.
So
so
thank
you
for
that
now.
I
do
have
a
couple
just
general
layout
questions,
I
think
for
Mr
Richardson.
B
E
B
Yeah
that
that
was
my
that
was
my
concern
right,
because
the
the
the
northernmost
access
point
is
enter
only
the
southernmost
is
exit
only
if
you
were
a
dine
in
customer
who
entered
and
took
one
of
the
first
seven
parking
spaces.
The
you
know
the
the
natural
inclination
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
leave.
B
You
know
out
the
enter,
but
I
do
think
with
the
appropriate
signage
and
the
pavement
markings
that
you
have
I
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
okay!
So
thank
you
for
that
yeah.
What?
What
is
the
reason
for
the
15
foot,
one-way
Drive
in
the
front.
E
In
case
people
need
to
circle
around
for
whatever
reason
but
say
they
go
through
the
drive-through
and
then
decide
they
want
to
park
somewhere.
They
could
go
in
and
they
can
come
around
and
park.
Okay,
it's
just
it's
just
for
it's,
not
you
when
you
don't
want
to
send
people
out
onto
Belair
Road
to
try
and
turn
around
and
come
back
in
again
so
gotcha.
B
B
Yeah,
thank
you
and
my.
My
final
comment
is:
if
you,
if
you
look
around
the
perimeter
of
the
drive-through
Lane
near
the
order,
points,
there's
a
42
inch
chain
barrier,
that's
called
out
what
what
is
that
and
what?
What
kind
of
detail
is
that.
E
It's
basically
the
zoning
office
has
said
to
us
that
we
can
allow
pedestrians
to
cross
through
the
stacking
Lanes.
So
it's
basically
going
to
be
some
kind
of
a
barrier
that
will
stop
people
from
walking
through
where
the
the
drive-through
stacking
is.
C
E
I
would
love
to
get
rid
of
it
because
I
don't
think
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
very
appropriate
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
gonna
necessarily
accomplish
what
the
zoning
office
is
trying
to
get
accomplished
by
it
either.
So.
F
B
Agreed
understood,
yeah
they're,
all
my
comments.
Thank
you
for
hearing
me.
H
Hello,
everyone,
I
I,
guess
from
a
pedestrian
and
a
particular.
H
C
H
Okay:
okay!
Well,
then,
that
that
resolves
that
particular
concern.
I,
guess
the
only
other
concern
is
I
I'm,
not
very
fond
of
having
thin
brick
on
the
exterior
of
a
building.
It
really
should
be
a
genuine
brick
veneer,
as
opposed
to
a
thin
brick,
which
is
what
is
indicated
unless
that
has
changed.
G
G
G
The
main
for
this
building
is
more
of
a
it's.
A
nichiwa
panel
system.
H
G
Is
it's
it's
not
a
full
brick
material.
H
So
I
I
just
want
to
make
that,
as
as
a
point
of
contention,
that's
all
that
the
exterior
should
really
be
a
a
brick
Rainier
and
and
the
from
my
perspective,
the
dust
turn
duster
enclosure
which
really
mimics
the
exterior
of
the
building,
so
that
that
also
should
be
a
a
genuine
brick
veneer,
as
opposed
to
a
thin
brick.
G
H
I
mean
outside
of
that
I'm
fine,
with
everything
else,
I'm
good
I
was
just
concerned
about
the
you
know
the
75
brick
on
the
exterior
and
what
was
ethos
and
what
was
not.
So
that's
clear,
but
most
definitely
you
know
not
having
a
a
thin
brick
on
the
exterior
is
a
concern.
So
that's
my
only
that's
my
only
point.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr
Stevens,
well
made
and
I
believe
I'm
last
so
I'll
build
on
that
and
I
have
a
similar
similar
concerns.
I
also
note
that
you
know
a
painted
brick
in
this
kind
of
high
traffic
location
as
well
as
on
the
dumpster
enclosure,
seems
a
little
bit
counter-intuitive
more
of
a
high
maintenance
taking
a
material
that
should
be
low
maintenance
and
making
it
a
higher
maintenance
with
painting.
It
seems.
Counter-Intuitive
also
would
have
the
concern
of
you
know,
especially
on
the
dumpster
having
thin
brick
veneer
just
for
durability
sake.
A
I
mean
it's
good
that
it's
on
concrete,
obviously
a
concrete
wall,
but
there
is
still
that
concern
that
it's
not
going
to
wear
and
tear
as
well
as
it
should
in
that
location.
I
will
add
on
to
others
comments
about
the
light
poles
being
matching
the
I
believe
it's
the
elementary
school
and
I
think
I
would
just
say
that
we
should
make
a
a
recommendation
that
that
is
Guided
by
DPW.
A
A
I
also
commend
the
incorporation
of
the
seating
and
the
bike.
Racks,
The,
Pedestrian
connection,
it's
a
you
know,
it's
a
pretty
narrow
site,
I
mean
obviously
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
the
building
could
rotate
but
I
think
the
exclusion
of
parking
between
the
building
and
the
road
just
having
the
slip
by
which
I
think
is
a
very
practical
measure,
so
I
think
that's
fine
and
it
does
meet
the
criteria
so
and
then
for
the
site.
A
Signage
I
think
we've
seen
the
digital
or
sorry
the
pylon
sign,
and
with
the
with
the
applicants,
I
guess
you
know
the
ability
that
the
applicant
doesn't
feel
negative
about
removing
the
digital
sign.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
A
So
I
would
like
to
you
know
note
that
in
our
comments,
I
do
think
that
there
would
be
I
know
that
it's
noted
on
the
plan,
but
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
conditions
would
be
submitting
the
the
directional
signage,
that's
indicated
on
plan,
but
we
haven't
seen
an
elevation
so
that
that
can
be
reviewed
prior
to
prior
to
the
the
approval
process
going
all
the
way
through.
So
those
are
my
comments,
just
those
those
few
with
that
I
just
want
to
open
it
up.
I
think
there's
been
some
consistent
comments.
A
I
think
the
applicant
again
for
addressing
some
of
the
comments
prior
to
coming
tonight.
That
is
helpful.
I
think
you
know
Joe,
you
summarize
and
walked
through
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
resolution
and
gen
as
well.
So
I
would
ask
if
someone
from
the
panel
is
ready
to
summarize
and
make
a
motion
indicating
you
know
if
it's
recommended
recommended
with
conditional
approval
staff
review
or
a
return
to
the
the
panel.
B
So
this
is
Joseph
yusafaro
I'd
be
happy
to
make
a
motion,
but
before
I
do
I'd
like
to
ask
Mr
Stevens
just
to
clarify
his
comments
about
the
brick
just
so
I
can
capture
those
appropriately.
H
Okay,
it
should
not
be
the
thin
brick
exterior;
it
should
be
an
absolute
incorporation
of
a
full-fledged
brick
veneer
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
and
in
conjunction
the
same
things
that
happened
and
occur
on
the
enclosure
for
the
dumpster.
H
B
B
Number
three
directional
signage
to
be
submitted
to
the
Department
of
planning
for
approval
and
number
four
incorporation
of
full-fledged
brick
veneer
both
on
the
building
and
the
dumpster
enclosure.
A
H
E
A
Thank
you,
okay,
very
good,
and
with
that
we
are
now
ready
to
move
on
to
it's
actually
item
three.
Second
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening,
but
as
located
sorry
I
lost
my
one
document
here
there
we
are
okay,
very
good,
so
we're
moving
on
to
item
three
and
before
we
do
that.
I
know
that
Mr
yusafaro
has
to
recuse
himself.
This
is
for
item
three
for
4100
Maple
Avenue,
the
forge
Overlook,
purpose-built
student
housing.
So
Joseph
would
you
like
to
just
formally
state.
B
I'd
like
to
officially
recuse
myself
from
the
next
project,
which
is
the
Maple
Avenue
purpose-built
student
housing.
A
Thank
you
and
you're
free
to
go
or
Freedom,
while
you're
staying
to
present
I.
Imagine
so
obviously
you
will
be
here,
but
on
the
other
side
of
the
table,
okay,
so
with
that,
if
if
everyone
is
ready,
including
Jen,
to
share
screen
the
floor,
is
yours
for
those
who
are
presenting
for
the
applicant
Cecily.
C
For
this
project,
I
just
like
to
make
a
mention
on
the
heart
of
the
planning
department
to
help
not
only
the
panel
understand
the
purpose
of
their
review,
but
the
communities
as
well.
In
this
project
there
was
a
bill
that
was
introduced
and
passed,
Bill
6121
for
a
purpose-built
student
housing,
and
there
are
specific
in
that
bill.
Specific
programmatic
features
that
must
be
complied
with,
and
then
the
proposal,
the
design
proposal,
just
the
design
proposal,
not
any
development
process
whatsoever
is
reviewed
by
the
design
review
panel.
C
I.
Think
many
people
on
as
attendees
in
this
meeting
are
familiar
with
this
development
site.
There
is
another
phase
of
this
project
that
is
currently
going
through
the
development
process
and
Jason
if
I'm,
stealing
your
thunder
I
apologize,
but
I
thought
I'd
just
kind
of
had
this
on.
C
F
C
Not
under
the
purview
of
the
design
review
panel
this
evening,
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
Cecily
said
in
the
beginning.
For
those
that
did
come
on
late,
that
leaders
review
the
panel
is
reviewing
for
design
and
site
and
landscape
and
other
design
features.
F
A
Thank
you
Jen,
thank
you
for
that
and
overview,
and
so
at
this
time
now
we
will
move
on
to
the
presenters
for
this
application.
The
floor
is
yours,.
K
Awesome,
thank
you
all
very
much
and
good
evening.
My
name
is
Brandon
Rau
with
bowler
joining
me
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
development
team
is
Mark
Levy
and
Jamie
Frazier
with
Rock
Realty
there's
a
developer.
We
have
Jeff
Henneman
and
Ruth
landsman
with
Henneman
architects.
K
We
have
Jason
vittori
with
Smith
gilday
and
Schmidt
who's,
our
land
news
Council,
and
then
we
have
Eric
McWilliams,
Matt
pool
house
and
Julius
Fair
as
well
with
bowler,
so
I'm
gonna,
First
Take
the
Lead
to
run
through
an
overview
of
the
property
and
project
and
then
we'll
hand
it
off
the
virtual
mic
off
to
Eric
McWilliams,
who
will
summarize
landscape
and
amenity
enhancements
and
then
Jeff
Henneman
will
provide
an
overview
of
the
architecture
proposed
for
the
buildings
throughout
the
community.
K
So
we
are
here
tonight
to
present
you
with
a
proposed
purpose
built
student
housing
community
in
the
Halethorpe
area.
Subject:
property
is
located
along
U.S,
Route,
1
and
Jennifer
I
believe
you're,
the
one
that's
sharing
your
screen.
If
you
just
go
to
page
five.
K
K
He
proceeded
slide
six,
please
reviewing
the
greater
context
of
the
property's
location
here
and
it
might
be
a
little
hard
to
see,
but
the
site
is
located
within
three
miles
of
the
University
of
Maryland
Baltimore
County
Campus,
and
it
also
has
easy
access
to
BWI
in
the
downtown
Baltimore
area,
along
with
the
major
highway
corridors
in
the
area
slide.
Seven,
please,
the
purpose-built
student
housing
component
of
this
community
is
comprised
of
two
areas
they're
outlined
here
in
red
on
the
plan.
Thank
you.
K
K
From
a
zoning
standpoint,
the
southern
portion
of
the
property
is
zoned
BR
business
roadside
on
this
shown
in
purple
on
the
screen,
and
then
the
northeastern
portion
is
Zone
ml
manufacturing
light,
and
that's
in
that
that
blue
color
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
jump
to
slide
39,
because
it
shows
it's
the
best
one
that
shows
an
overall
of
the
property.
If
you
would
real
quick.
K
Awesome,
thank
you
so
quick
overview.
The
purpose-built
student
housing
project
is
the
second
phase,
as
Miss
Nugent
and
previously
identified
of
of
the
development
on
the
subject
property,
the
first
phase,
which
is
located
centrally
on
the
property
and
really
to
the
north
and
west
of
the
two
components
of
the
purpose-built
student
housing
improvements
that
that
portion
is
planned
for
a
future
for
sale,
townhome
community
and
shown
here
in.
K
Like
a
whitish
gray,
there
are
significant
environmental
features,
including
streams,
wetlands
and
Forest
buffers
that
are
proposed
to
be
preserved
and
they're
really
shown
here
in
the
darker
green
throughout
the
around
the
property
and
those
will
be
dedicated
to
the
county
and
Perpetual
easements
for
perpetuity
the
count
the
community
will
be
accessed
from
us,
one
at
Avalon,
Ridge
Road,
which
is
a
new
public
road
that
will
be
constructed.
With
the
first
phase
of
the
plan
development.
K
The
southern
portion
of
the
purpose-built
student
housing
community
will
consist
of
four
apartment
buildings
and
15
town
homes.
That
will
be
in
three
sticks.
We
call
them
along
Avalon,
Ridge
Road.
The
northeastern
portion
of
the
purpose-built
student
housing
community
will
consist
of
31
town
homes
in
seven
sticks
along
iron
ore,
court
and
Miner's
way.
If
you
would
switch
back
to
slide
17,
please.
K
L
L
So
this
is
the
schematic
landscape
plan
and,
as
you
can
see,
this
will
meet
County
County
compliance
requirements
with
this
plan.
It's
Street
trees
along
Washington,
Boulevard
and
Avalon
Ridge,
a
road
as
well
as
interior
parking
lot
shade,
trees
in
islands
and
and
surrounding
or
enveloping
the
the
edges
edges
of
the
development
next
slide.
L
This
and
this
one
is
just
a
continuation
of
of
the
phase
one.
We
have
Street
trees
along
iron
ore
Court.
The
street
trees
will
continue
along
iron
ore
and
then
also
the
stuff
back
into
the
new.
The
new
townhome
Community
off
to
the
east
east
of
the
property
and
we'll
kind
of
kind
of
go
through
these
fairly
quickly.
There's
a
lot
a
lot
of
slides
to
cover
the
next.
L
This
is
a
connectivity
exhibit
phase.
One
has
a
trail
system
and
a
sidewalk
element
that
that
this
site
will
will
Connect
into
as
you
can
see,
the
sidewalks
All
Connect
onto
Avalon,
Ridge
Road,
and
therefore,
then
you
can.
You
can
go
up
into
the
phase
one
portion
of
the
neighborhood
and
then
and
take
take
the
trails
and
utilize
the
open
space.
That's
that's
part
of
that
project.
L
This
is
a
bus
circulation,
we're
going
to
work
with
the
UMBC
after
we
we
get.
You
know,
through
the
development
plan
process,
to
modify
the
the
existing
bus
route
to
connect
into
this.
This
development
there'll
be
two
bus
shelters
proposed
one
on
the
the
lower
section
and
then
one
one
up
near
the
the
town
homes
by
the
existing
phase,
one
community
and
then
it'll
loop
back
out
and
and
continue
South
on
on
Route
One.
L
So
the
the
entry
sign
we'll
cover
really
both
both
phases
of
this
subdivision
in
Phase
One.
It
wasn't
wasn't
really
planned
out
phase
two
which,
which
is
this
phase,
we're
going
to
take,
take
an
approach
with
it
to
create
a
large
Monument.
Then
envelops
both
sides
of
the
the
entry,
the
main
entry
into
the
subdivision,
and
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
get
take
a
look
at.
L
This
is,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
blow
up
of
that
signage
plan
view.
Now
you
can
see
that
the
street
trees
as
you
as
you
go
along
Washington
Boulevard.
The
proposed
signage
is
curvilinear
in
shape.
It
follows
the
the.
L
The
edge
of
the
edge
of
the
curb
along
Avalon
Ridge
Road
in
Washington,
and
then
we'll
continue
up
a
little
bit
at
as
far
as
Avalon,
Ridge,
Boulevard
goes
and
and
trees
will
continue.
Continue
that
form.
L
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
take
a
look
at
what
the
the
sign
is
made
of
this
is
this:
is
our
schematic
of
the
forge
Overlook
entry
sign
it's
a
brick
with
with
Stone
pillars
on
either
side.
The
the
design
in
the
center
is
not
not
formed.
Yet
this
is
our
first
approach
of
just
a
basic
font.
L
The
safe
Forge
Overlook,
but
there
will
be
you
know
after
the
project
goes
through,
there
will
be
a
marketing
package
and,
and
that
sign
will
will
fit
within
that
Forge
Overlook
area,
the
brick,
the
brick
kind
of
the
template,
for
that
brick
was
really
the
the
original,
but
School
was
all
brick
and
then
Stone
gives
us
that
that
old
Baltimore
feel
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide.
L
I
now
we're
we're
taking
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
the
amenity
areas.
This
is
this
is
a
schematic
design
between
the
two
structures
and
on
the
on
the
left
side
of
Avalon
Ridge,
there's
a
large
large
structure
and
then
behind
that
structure
and
between
the
one
that
kind
of
goes
longitudinally
we've
got
a
Courtyard
area
and
within
that
courtyard
we're
thinking
there
is
a
great
change.
L
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
the
ideas
that
we
we
had
to
come
up
with
was
how
how
to
get
the
lower
building
up
to
the
upper
building.
There
is
a
set
of
stairs
there.
There
is
also
Ada
access
throughout
the
front
of
the
building
and
along
the
the
both
sides
of
the
main
entrances
to
then,
then,
access
this
area,
there's
a
seating
area
to
the
left.
L
L
It's
not
formalized
yet,
but
this
is
our
first
thought
at
what
what
could
happen
with
this
space
and
and
we
think
it
would
be
a
good
area
for
the
the
students
to
congregate,
study
and
and
relieve
some
tension
next.
L
And
this
is
some
precedent:
images
of
of
that
water
wall.
The
Water
Wall
will
separate
the
parking
area
from
from
the
activity
the
courtyard
and
there'll
be
tables
behind
there.
It
also
provides
kind
of
an
entry
to
the
office
of
of
that
structure.
L
The
the
leasing
office
will
be
in
that
same
location,
then
the
trellis
pergola.
This
is
a
kind
of
an
idea
of
the
of
a
type
of
pergola
that
we
would
want
to
have.
That
would
extend
out
from
that
water
wall
next
slide,
and
these
are
just
some
some
photos
of
turf
areas
and
what
you
could
do
with
it.
Obviously
you
could
play
cornhole
or
or
yoga
or
or
just
use
it
as
seating,
General
seating.
L
L
L
This
is
in
the
front
of
building
b
along
Avalon,
Ridge
Road,
and-
and
this
is,
we
would
like
to
have
a
dual
purpose
area
here:
potential
bus
stop
along
along
with
the
bus,
shelter
that
we
have
up
at
the
top
of
the
the
sheet
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
Avalon,
Ridge,
Road
Boulevard
and
then
when,
if
you
go
to
the
right
of
the
page,
there's
a
dog
park
kind
of
to
the
rear
of.
L
If
you
followed,
went
behind
Building
B
to
the
left
to
the
far
corner
of
the
parking
lot,
there's
a
little
dog
park
there.
We
do
anticipate
that
that
dogs
would
would
be
part
of
this
subdivision
or
these
apartment
complexes.
And
you
know
they
would
need
a
place
to
to
run
and
exercise.
L
L
And
next
slide
fences
we'll
have
fences
throughout
the
this.
This
area,
when
we
get
through
the
open
space
generally,
we'll
need
a
two
rail
vinyl
fence
to
separate
any
open
space
from
the
site
and
then
of
course,
safety.
The
42
inch
aluminum
would
be
for
safety.
L
As
you
could
tell,
there
are
a
number
of
walls
on
the
site
that
we
need
protection,
fall
protection,
okay,
site
lighting,
so
there's
there's
a
couple
of
areas
of
lighting
the
parking
lot
which
which
will
have
this
this
Gall
Wing
type
light,
there's
bollards
at
the
entrances
to
to
the
apartment
structures,
and
then
we
we're
not
showing
it.
But
there
is,
there
will
be
Lighting
on
the
public
Street
as
well
and
that'll,
be
dictated
by
Public,
Works
and
match
match
the
lighting.
L
And
these
are
just
some
more
examples
of
lighting.
These
are
more
architectural
and
they'll,
be
on
the
on
the
buildings
themselves.
L
M
Okay,
thank
you
Eric
good
evening
and
very
happy
to
be
here
tonight
very
fortunate
that
we've
been
involved
in
a
number
of
projects
along
Route
1
and
are
very
excited
about
this
particular
one,
as
we
hope
that
they
and-
and
this
will
will
hopefully
provide
some
Catalyst
for
future
development
that
takes
place
along
along
the
Route
One
Corridor.
M
This
is
the
purpose-built
student
housing
piece
as
mentioned
earlier,
and
it's
a
challenging
site
and
as
as
all
of
you
who
are
planners,
know
it's
around
11
acres,
but
it's
a
geometry
more
than
than
the
acreage
that
makes
it
challenging,
particularly
when
you
have
larger
multi-family
buildings,
but
as
such
I
think
that
we
were
pretty
successful
in
getting
kind
of
the
desired
massing
and
and
feel
that
was
sought
out.
M
The
marketing
report
dictated
that
we
get
200
plus
units
to
achieve
kind
of
economic
viability
and
it's
kind
of
The
Sweet
Spot
in
multi-family
development
to
offset
the
management
costs
and
so
on.
The
the
plan
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
232
units
and,
as
mentioned
earlier,
it's
comprised
of
four
four-story
buildings,
multi-family
buildings
with
interior
Corridor
and
elevator
access
and
15
Town
Homes,
which
each
contain
four
bedrooms
or
as
I'd
rather
call
them
four
Suites,
since
they
all
had
their
own
bathroom.
M
Now,
the
the
strategy
was
really
pretty
simple
and
pretty
straightforward,
which
was
to
get
the
buildings
up
against
the
on
the
street,
which
is
Avalon,
Ridge,
Road
and
and
Route
One
and
hopefully
service
some.
Some
kind
of
a
backdrop
to
the
public
space
being
developed
and
both
the
vehicular
and
the
and
the
pedestrian
and
then
to
get
the
parking
somewhat
screen
behind
and
on
the
side
of
the
buildings.
M
Can
we
go
on
to
well?
This
is
just
context
of
our
site
with
the
phase
one
Townhomes.
Okay,
here's
a
couple
of
site
sections.
The
top
one
shows
the
building
on
the
what
was
on
the
far
left.
We
call
building
a
and
at
this
particular
location
the
site
is
relatively
flat
and
hence
the
building
was
turned
and
oriented
in
the
direction
it
was.
The
second
section
is
a
little
bit
more
telling.
This
is
the
section
through
Avalon,
Ridge
Road,
and
it
shows
the
the
four-story
building
you
see
on
the
right.
M
There
is
the
kind
of
the
main
building,
that's
where
the
amenity
space
will
be,
and
it
shows
one
string
of
the
five
of
the
Town
Homes
right
off
of
Route
One
and
what
you
see
here
and
it
hasn't
been
fully
developed
on
some
of
the
other
elevations.
But
we
see
the
grade,
dropping
what
we
typically
do
and
the
base
of
all
the
buildings
are
Stone
and
there'd
be
building
Stone,
which
is
full
mortar
bed
depth.
M
It
helps
give
it
a
visually
kind
of
anchors,
the
building
to
Terra,
Firma
and-
and
we
we
think
is
you
know,
there's
some
historical
precedent
for
it
and
we
think
it's
it's
kind
of
the
appropriate
way
to
handle
that
as
opposed
to
and
we've
gotten
away
from
splitting
the
apartment
buildings
which
have
been
somewhat
problematic
and
as
you
see
down
there,
the
lower
section
is
Building,
C
or
D,
which
are
the
ones
that
pretty
much
front
route
one
and
there
we
have
some
pretty
severe
toppo
and
there
you
can
see
where
we
extend
the
foundational
wall
down
and
and
then
have
a
level
area
for
planting
and
then
another
another
retaining
wall
next
slide.
M
M
I'll
go
over
this
very
quickly.
This
is
the
building
plan.
This
is
building
what
we
call
Building
B,
and
this
is
this-
is
the
amenity
area
and
it's
it's.
It's
has
all
the
requisite
amenity
areas
that
you
would
expect,
and
some
some
that
are
somewhat
devoted
to
student
housing,
which
are
the
co-working
spaces,
Zoom
rooms
and
and
fitness
center,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
essentially
there's
four
entries
to
to
the
building.
There's
stairs
on
on
each
end.
M
There's
the
main
entry
which
you
see
in
the
center
and
then
we
added
a
fourth
entry
to
the
so-called
rear
of
the
building,
which
actually
is
fronts
the
route
one
and
Avalon
Ridge
Road.
So,
and
we
went
to
a
lot
of
trouble
to
kind
of
make
to
make
sure
that
the
buildings
were
really
read
as
four-sided.
You
know
it
wasn't
our
desire
to
create
Frontier
Town,
where
we
really
load
up
the
brick
and
so
on
on
one
elevation
and
as
you
turn
away
from
the
street,
it
just
disappears.
M
It's
really
I
think
a
pretty
consistent
and
equal
distribution
of
materials,
it's
hopefully
the
elevations
of
test
data,
and
this
is
just
a
typical
floor
and
the
only
thing
that
note
here
is
we've
added.
This
is
somewhat
new
to
us
and
it's
a
direct
reflection
of
the
fact
that
it's
for
student
housing
is,
as
you
enter
the
quarter
space.
There's
a
public,
a
couple
of
Zoom
rooms,
or
actually
we
see
them
use
more
as
game
rooms
where
a
couple
of
individuals
can
can
sit
in
there
and
and
or
take.
If
you
will
next,
please.
M
M
This
was
a
plan
of
building
C
and
D,
which
are
48
unit
buildings
directly
off
of
Route
One
and
there's
a
typical
form.
Okay
and
then
these
are
the
floor.
M
Plans
of
the
Town,
Homes
and
I'm,
particularly
proud
of
these
I've,
done
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
town
homes,
but
I
like
the
way
that
we're
able
to
enter
on
the
main
living
area
and
it's
kind
of
an
open
plan
and
really
provides
it's
kind
of
unique
in
the
fact-
and
this
is
where
it's
really
kind
of
tailored
towards
the
student
housing,
where
it
provides
four
Suites,
most
of
which
have
all
of
which
have
their
own
bath,
most
most
of
which
have
a
natural
light
from
the
outside
and
unlike
kind
of
production
for
sale,
town
homes,
we
there's
more
parity,
I
think
between
the
actual
bedroom
sizes,
so
be
less
fighting,
I
guess
next,
please.
C
M
No,
no,
this
one's
fine
I
mean
this.
So
this
is
the
front
entry
elevation
of
of
Building,
B
and
Building
B
is
is
where
the
leasing
Center
and
the
amenity
space
is
and
it's
materials
are.
A
combination
of
as
I
said,
stone
at
the
base
and
it's
it's
it's
Building
Stone
manufactured
Stone,
but
it's
full
depth
and
brick
veneer
and
I
heard
some
reference
to
thin
brick
on
the
earlier
one.
We
do
have
thin
brick
up
in
the
Gable.
You
see
there,
but
it's
it
it.
M
It's
really
required
due
to
the
fact
that
it's
height
and
so
on,
and
it
and
wood
frame
construction,
so
we've
had
great
success
with
it
and
it
still
reaches
as
masonry
and
then
about
50
of
the
units
have
outdoor
balconies,
which
you
see
represented
there.
So
the
the
pallet
of
materials,
the
colors.
We
tried
to
somewhat
follow
what
was
being
offered
in
the
townhome
Community
up
up
the
hill
and
it's
kind
of
the
classic
red
brick.
M
The
siding
is,
is
vinyl,
siding
in
a
couple
of
different
Hues
and
then
the
stone
is,
as
I
said,
the
building
Stone
the
railings
would
be
a
pre-finished
metal.
Railings
windows
are
vinyl
windows
with
high
energy,
efficient,
glass
and
I.
Guess
I
would
say
it's
more
in
a
transitional
style.
There's
some
classical
elements,
the
main
body,
the
of
of
the
houses
of
the
building,
is
some
symmetrical
with
the
two
Wings
being
symmetrical
as
well.
M
Okay,
and
this
gets
around
to
the
middle
elevation-
is
the
what
we
would
call
the
rear
of
the
building,
but
it's
actually
the
the
side
of
the
building
that
faces
the
street.
So
we
were
very
cognizant
and
tried
to
be
very
sensitive
to
that
fact
and
and
maintain
the
amount
and
the
quality
of
of
the
materials
on
the
elevation.
So
we
get
that
consistency.
M
M
Well,
this
is
Building
B
and
it's
pretty
much
more
of
the
same,
but
I
think
it
shows
that
the
kind
of
the
continuity
between
the
two
next
please,
okay,
that's
the
back
of
that
in
the
in
the
in
the
site,
elevations
as
well.
Next,
please,
this
is
building
the
entry
elevation
I
forgot
to
mention
all
these
buildings
have
porticos
with
flat
roofs
coming
out
over
the
entry,
which
is
I
think
is
very,
very
important
and
you'll
see
that
noted
on
on
each
of
them.
M
Then
this
is
the
rear
and
the
sides,
and
again
this
is
building.
There
will
be
more
exposed
foundation
wall
and,
in
my
mind,
I
think
that's
a
good
thing.
Okay,
this
is
the
okay
go
ahead.
You
go
back
to
the
town
home.
This
is
the
string
of
five
townhomes
and
there's
three
strings,
as
we
mentioned,
and
I'm
really
kind
of
excited
about
this,
because
I
think
it.
M
The
colors
are
really
cued
from
the
color
palette
that
was
used
in
the
phase
one
town
homes,
but
it's
a
combination
of
the
vinyl
siding
brick
and
base
again
at
excuse
me
stone
again
around
the
entire
base.
All
the
buildings
will
have
stone,
usually
a
stone
wainscoat
at
windowsill
height
to
grade
wherever
that
happens,
to
be
whether
it's
two
feet
or
12
feet.
K
Yeah,
it
looks
like
looks
like
we
might
have
lost
him,
but
I
think
we
were
near
the
end
with
the
with
the
town
homes.
So
I
guess
at
this
point
we
can
wrap,
wrap
it
up
on
our
side
and
appreciate
again
panels.
Review
of
this
and
discussion
look
forward
to
that
discussion.
K
In
the
end
we
are
here
to
ask
for
approval
from
from
the
panel
tonight.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
Jennifer
at
this
time,
we'll
move
on
to
the
floor,
being
open
to
public
input
and
I'll
just
remind
people
from
the
community.
If
you're,
representing
a
community
group,
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
speak,
those
who
do
not
represent
a
community
group
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
So
with
that,
if
you
want
to
go
in
sequence,
can.
M
A
F
A
We're
good
and
we
can
address
anything
else
in
the
Q,
a
with
the
panel.
A
And
so
we're
moving
on
to
people
those
people
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
so
Jennifer
and
Brett
I'll
turn
to
you
to
to
sequence
through.
C
N
Okay
first
comment:
these
meetings
need
to
get
off
of
Zoom,
WebEx
or
whatever's
going
on.
Then
they
need
to
get
back
to
in
person.
There's
too
many
technical
difficulties
here.
It's
hampering
the
citizens
from
speaking
so
I'll
give
my
comments
on
this.
This
new
development
here
there's
no
open
space,
480
bedrooms
here
and
there's
a
little
tiny
dog
poop
station,
it's
2
000
square
feet
and
there's
a
little
patio.
That's
I
think
four
thousand
square
feet.
N
N
This
project
has
only
6
500
square
feet
of
open
space,
that
being
an
adult
poop
area
and
the
little
patio.
If
you
do
the
calculations,
it
would
come
up
to
128
000
square
feet,
so
that's
extremely
deficient
there.
The
other
is.
This
is
a
whole
lot
more
people
that
are
going
Maple,
Maple
Avenue
had
a
traffic
study
done.
The
the
engineer
was
considering
only
the
original
182
houses,
and
now
you
have
double
that
amount
of
people.
N
This
needs
to
be
reconsidered
so
that
that's
the
biggest
problem
with
that
I
see
with
this
and
then
again
this
bill,
61
21,
this
thing's
pretty
new.
How
do
you
how's
how's
this
student
housing
defined?
How
do
you
define
student
housing
all
the
houses
up
on
on
the
up
at
the
top
of
the
hill
and
the
manufacturing
light
area?
N
They
are
identical
to
the
town
homes
that
are
in
phase
one,
so
I
don't
see
how
what
the
difference
between
the
student,
health
purpose
housing
is,
and
the
regular
housing
I
I
hope
that
these
things
are
taken
into
consideration.
There
was
talk
here
about
UMBC,
being
insulted
about
Transit
stops.
I
spoke
to
the
the
top
people
in
UMBC.
They
never
knew.
This
was
coming
in
I
doubt
that
they
were
spoken
to
I.
Think
they
have.
N
This
may
pretend
fictitious
bus
route
going
through
their
their
project
here,
because
I'm
pretty
close
with
the
UMBC
folks.
They
knew
nothing
about
it
unless
they're
lying
as
well.
N
So
some
of
these
project-
amenities
that
are
shown
here
like
this
water
wall,
I,
don't
know
where
these
drawings
came
from
I,
don't
think
they're
going
to
fit
in
this
little
patio
area,
they're,
showing
these
big
large
rooftop
areas
where
people
are
doing
yoga
and
I
hope
that
you
don't
believe
that
these
are
things
that
are
really
going
to
be
built
here,
because
they
simply
can't
fit
as
far
as
zoning
goes,
what
what
designation
is
being
used
here,
business,
roadside
manufacturing
light-
or
you
know,
rae-1.
This
looks
more
like
apartments.
N
That
would
be.
You
know
the
setbacks
and
the
height
requirements
would
have
to
be
considered.
So
do
we
know
what
zoning
we're
using
here.
C
C
N
A
C
A
So
I
think
the
same
prevails.
We
will,
you
know,
ask
the
questions
and
then
we
will
direct
them
once
her
two
minutes
are
up,
so
just
so
that
she
gets
her
full
two
minutes
and
then
we
can
address
questions.
A
O
Yeah
yeah,
Jennifer
and
and
Sicily
thanks
so
much
for
letting
me
have
the
floor.
I
appreciate
it.
I
did
type
in
five
questions
specifically
the
first
one
is
what
specifications
or
criteria
was
used
or
were
used
to
evaluate
the
student
housing?
How
is
it
being
built
under?
What
is
the
exact
specification?
Will
these
be
rentals?
Secondly,
who
at
UMBC
was
the
developer
coordinating
with
to
Market
this
as
student
built
or
UMBC
housing
question
three?
How
can
residential
houses
be
built
on
business
and
Manufacturing
light?
O
O
I
think
the
design
of
the
buildings
are
beautiful,
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
work
put
into
this,
but
I
I'd
see
it
as
an
opportunity
to
put
more
residential
housing
on
a
piece
of
land
that
is
zoned
for
business
and
Manufacturing.
Why
have
zoning
requirements
when
you're
going
to
put
residential
property
on
manufacturing
and
business
light.
A
Thank
you
for
the
comments
and
questions
Jennifer.
You
may
be
able
to
answer
again
some
of
the
the
questions
pertaining
to
zoning
or.
C
Yeah
the
bill
that
was
passed
6121
has
some
specific
parameters
that
should
the
developer
go
forward
with
the
purpose
Fielding
student
housing.
They
will
have
to
provide
documentation
to
the
county
prior
to
issuance
of
any
building
permits
of
how
this
will
be
affiliated
with
institutions
to
be
providing
the
transit
systems
and
the
housing
facilities
for
students
and,
again
to
reiterate
I,
think.
C
This
this
is
a
design
proposal.
All
the
regulatory
codes
and
standards
will
be
need
to
be
followed
when
the
project
does
go
through
the
development
process.
O
Okay,
so
I
would
like
to
have
my
questions
answered
in
writing
if
that's
possible,
because
I
don't
feel
like
my
questions
were
thoroughly
answered
this
evening,
but
the
design
is
is
beautiful,
so
you
know
the
front.
The
frontage
sign
is
gorgeous.
O
F
O
Entertaining
thanks
for
entertaining
my
questions.
Well,.
C
K
O
C
C
So
it
would
just
be
what
the
panel
feels
is
appropriate,
like
I
said
for
question
number
two:
they
I
as
far
as
we
know,
nobody's
been
I,
don't
think
any
conversations
have
been
engaged,
but
they
will
have
to
engage
conversations
with
UMBC
prior
to
getting
any
sort
of
approvals
for
building
for
from
the
county
and,
as
I
said
before,
they
will
have
to
meet
the
zoning
allowances
for
doing
the
student
housing
on
the
business
and
Manufacturing
light
zones
there
and
I
think
the
developer's
attorney
could
probably
speak
more
to
that.
C
P
Jumping
ahead
development
plan
issues,
we
wouldn't
be
at
this
point
if
we
weren't
perfectly
clear
that
the
law
and
if
you
read
Baltimore
County's,
entering
regulations,
Section
441,
expressly
States.
The
two
zones
that
we
are
dealing
with
here
expressly
permit
purpose-built
student
housing.
So
if
you
can't
believe
it
just
read
the
law,
and
it
will
explain
to
you
that
you
can
do
those
things.
C
Because
it's
being
presented
before
the
panel
who
are
comprised
of
experts
in
architecture,
landscape
architecture
and
site
design,
and
so
that's
how
the
bill
was
written.
F
O
A
C
I
do
not
see
anybody
else
that
has
typed
any
questions,
I,
don't
believe,
and
no
other
people
in
the
chat
that
would
like
to
speak.
A
Okay,
very
good
and
thank
you,
representatives
from
the
community,
we'll
take
what
what
it
does
fall
under
our
purview
I
think
we
will
take
into
consideration
and
appreciate
your
time
so
with
that
I'm
gonna
reverse
order
here
and
start
with
Mr
Stevens
for
any
comments.
Questions.
A
Me
sorry
I
forgot
that
stuff.
Thank
you
Jennifer.
If,
yes,
please
go
forward
with
the
staff
report
and
then
we'll
pick
up
on
the
panel
comments.
My.
A
F
C
C
C
Main
Road
access
fronted
with
residential
buildings
and
Townhomes,
with
parking
located
to
the
sides
and
Rears
of
structures,
sidewalks
and
Street,
trees
and
plantings
are
proposed
throughout
Townhomes
to
the
north
are
cited
to
follow
phase
one
development,
design
and
Street
grid
pattern
with
front
loaded
single
car
garages
to
accommodate
proposed
development
amenities
from
phase
one
specifically,
the
proposed
hotline
and
walking
pathway
in
that
location.
C
The
staff
recommends
approval
of
site
design
and
offers.
The
following
comments
clarify
how
it
is
to
be
documented
that
the
31
town
homes
are
to
be
for
faculty
on
the
Northern
portion
of
the
proposal
with
form
an
image
the
applicant
is
proposing
the
building
locations
towards
the
street.
The
applicant
is
providing
streetscape
elements,
including
sidewalks
and
Street
trees.
Architectural
elevations
are
being
provided
for
all
sides
of
the
building
to
demonstrate
the
design
and
intent
of
the
architecture
and
materials
and
colors
used.
C
At
this
time.
Staff
cannot
recommend
approval
of
the
foreman
image
and
offers
the
following
comments:
provide
accurate
elevations
to
properly
portray
how
the
changes
engraved
throughout
the
proposed
development
will
be
representative
more
cross-sections
to
further
understand
this
relationship
are
requested,
provide
more
information
on
the
town
home
units
for
faculty.
The
floor
plans
show
optional
bedrooms
and
bathrooms,
which
could
imply
that
students
could
reside
in
this
location.
C
If
offered,
show
and
label
all
bus
stop
locations
of
bus
shelters
and
provide
documentation
that
the
transit
system
is
being
coordinated
with
the
university
system
that
is
serving,
which
in
this
case
appears
to
be
UMBC
in
accordance
with
Bill
6121,
show
bicycle
Pathways
or
protected
Lanes.
If
designed
on
the
site
plans
with
regard
to
signage
and
lighting,
the
design
can
consists
of
Monument
style,
curved
sign
walls
at
the
corners
of
the
entrance
Road
off
of
Washington
Boulevard
parking
lot.
Lighting
bothered
and
Billy
mounted
lighting
are
also
proposed
within
the
design
package.
C
Staff
recommends
approval
of
the
signage
and
lighting
and
offers
the
following
conditions.
Streetscape
lighting
should
be
proposed
and
shown
on
all
roads
within
the
development
and
shown
on
the
site
and
Landscape
plants.
Consider
wayfinding
signage
within
the
development
to
direct
residents
to
amenities
located
within
the
development
with
regard
to
architectural
design,
staff
cannot
recommend
approval
the
architectural
design
based
on
the
following.
F
C
Previously
provide
accurate,
elevations
and
perspectives
to
demonstrate
changes
in
grade
of
the
topography
to
be
able
to
make
proper
evaluation
cross
section
BB
shows
a
significant
slope
and
resulting
in
a
heavy
base.
At
the
one
end
with
little
detail,
provided
the
elevations
must
be
labeled
with
Dimensions
Heights
and
all
proposed
materials.
The
proposed
townhomes
in
the
northern
portion
of
this
proposal
shall
show
how
they
are
being
provided
for
faculty
housing
and
not
student
housing
and.
A
A
Thank
you,
Jennifer.
That
was
very
thorough
and
also
provides
us
a
great
framework.
So
thank
you
for
reading
through
that,
ahead
of
our
discussion,
I
will
start
with
Mr
Stevens,
as
indicated
Mr
Stevens.
Any
questions
comments
that
you'd
like
to
go
through
now.
A
C
A
I'll
move
on
just
so
we
can
keep
it
we'll
come
back
to
Mr
Stevens
Miss
Roth.
You
would
like
to
go
now.
That'd
be
great.
D
Sure
so
there
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions
and
materials
covered
already
so
I'm
gonna
keep
this
one
short
I
agree
with
the
open
space,
lack
of
all
that
thereof
being
on
issue,
especially
having
so
many
units,
and
so
many
people
living
there
and
also
from
stormwater
management
and
air
quality
heat
island.
D
Like
all
these
perspectives,
it's
just
very,
very
dense
and
we're
not
in
Manhattan,
so
it
just
seems
quite
out
of
context
if
there's
any
way
to
alleviate
that
I
think
that
would
be
a
Better
Way
Forward,
the
cross
sections
I
think
having
a
better
idea,
at
least-
and
this
was
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
as
well-
between
the
Contours
of
the
the
site
and
the
buildings
which
there
are
many
having
more
views
of
those
so
that
we
can
get
a
better
idea
would
be
very
helpful
and,
and
the
staff
report
points
and
and
some
of
the
community
comments
I
think
would
be
good
to
consider.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Mr
Stevens.
Are
you
back
now
I.
H
I'm,
sorry,
just
looking
at
the
the
landscape
plan
and
and
and
understanding
what
was
presented
today,
you
know
I
I,
guess:
I
have
a
problem.
I
have
a
concern
about
the
the
various
the
way
the
buildings
are
relating
to
the
topography
and
and
the
open
space
between
Building,
A
and
B
I
mean
we
do
have
a
courtyard
there.
H
From
my
perspective,
looking
at
how
that
courtyard
really
works
with
a
building,
A
and
B,
and
then
I
look
at
Building,
C
and
D,
it's
it
seems
like
we
should
really
incorporate
a
similar
feature,
an
exterior
amenity
in
this
particular
area,
also
just
to
kind
of
make
it
more
cohesive
for
the
students.
H
You
know
that
that
particular
Courtyard
between
A
and
B
is
a
very
nice
feature
for
an
open
space,
an
exterior
space,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
students
from
C
and
D
will
actually
have
much
use
there
or
very
little
use,
but
it
just
seems
like
to
touch
both
buildings
with
a
courtyard
between
them
in
this
particular
area
is
would
be
ideal
and
I.
I
would
just
welcome
that
approach
from
the
from
the
design
team
to
really
take
a
to
really
study
that
and
understand
how
that
can
be
incorporated
in
that
particular
area.
H
I
think
a
more
detailed
section
cut
of
that
courtyard
between
Building,
A
and
B
is
really
needed.
So
we
can
really
understand
how
the
you
know
the
the
grades
work,
maybe
something
longitudinal
something
transfers
to
really
understand
the
entry
points
to
understand
how
that
water,
that
that
water
wall
really
is
going
to
be
a
a
feature
or
not
it.
Just
I
kind
of
look
at
was
Illustrated
on
on
page
27,
and
it
just
seems
like
it's.
It's
a
a
very
Grand
happening
there.
H
That
is
that's
really
not
captured,
captured
within
that
that
particular
space
with
that
in
mind
and
I
I,
look
at
the
exterior
of
elevations
and
and
and
really
the
palette
of
colors
are
are
very
ideal
and
and
and
and
from
a
design
perspective.
I
I
see
that
it
really
works,
but
I
I
think
there
needs
to
be.
H
You
know
with
all
of
the
extra
all
of
the
exterior
elevations.
There
should
be
a
more
realistic
approach
of
how
the
retaining
walls
and
and
Etc
really
work
with
the
facades,
because
it's
not
really
indicated
accurately
or
to
any
degree.
It's
almost
like
you
know.
These
are
very
generic,
elevations
and
I
understand
that,
but
that
there
needs
to
be.
H
You
know
we
really
need
to
take
this
to
the
next
step
so
that
we
can
understand
how
realistically
they
are
integrated
within
the
site,
so
I
mean
that's.
That's
that's
really
my
perspective
from
that.
From
that
point,
the
the
townhouses.
H
Well,
let's,
let's
stick
with
the
buildings
as
far
as
and
and
I
I,
also,
maybe,
when
you're
doing
that
with
the
X3
elevations
is
to
really
indicate
some
notes
there
of
of
what
the
materials
are,
so
that
so
that
we
clearly
understand.
What's
what
I
mean
I
understand
they
do
you
did
indicate
within
the
gable
roof
that
we're
going
to
have
a
thin
brick
there
from
just
from
my
perspective,
you
know
the
the
actual
walls
of
those
particular
buildings
should
be.
H
You
know
genuine
a
brick
veneer
that
that
really
sits
on
that
stone
base
from
that's.
That's
my
perspective
on
that,
though
Mr
conic,
I,
guess
to
kind
of
continue.
Looking
at
this
I
mean
I,
look
at
the
townhouses
and
I
I
think
you
know
we
I
look
at
the
15
Town
Homes
within
that,
and
I
also
think
that
we
used
to
take
a
longitudinal
section.
H
You
know
maybe
through
a
series
of
five,
so
we
can
really
understand,
but
the
height
variations
and
and
and
the
vertical
dimensions
and
how
how
they
really
work
with
the
site,
because
that's
not
a
a
flat,
it's
not
a
flat
site.
That's
all
it
would.
It's
gonna
really
tell
us,
what's
really
happening
there
in
a
more
convincing
fashion.
H
I
guess
that's
I
mean
from
from
my
perspective.
That's
that's
really
the
the
main
pieces.
You
know
I
I,
you
know
we
can
kind
of
go
more
into
detail
of
how
the
the
dumpster
encloses
should
be
detailed
and
how
that
dog
park
could
really
really
work
and
what's
what's
really
enclosing.
That
is
that
is
that
the
only
one
or
is
there
another
one
that
should
be
incorporated
by
buildings
CNC
in
conjunction
with
the
incorporating
a
courtyard
there?
H
Just
so
we
could
have
some
type
of
balance
on
this
site,
and
so
the
students
know
how
always
have
to
go
to
one
particular
area
and
not
the
other,
so
yeah
I
guess
I
can
go
on
and
on.
But
you
know
you
know.
The
floor
plan
seems
like
I
have
no
no
qualms
about
the
floor
plans.
They
seem
very
appropriate
and
you
know
the
the
townhouse
floor
plans
seem
very
appropriate.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Stevens,
Jennifer
I'm,
going
to
start
my
comments
by
actually
asking
a
couple
questions
of
you.
So
I'm,
you
know
I
think
you
had
noted
in
your
staff
report
the
31
Townhomes
that
will
serve
as
faculty
housing
that
there
needs
to
be
some
letter
back
stating
how
those
plans
are
not
as
adaptable
that
they're
Geared
for
faculty
housing,
not
for
student
housing.
Is
that
a
requirement
of
the
resolution
of
the
bill
rather
cecially.
A
P
I
think
in
our
you
know,
we
put
that
in
there
it's
something
we
at
some
point
talked
about,
and
maybe
it
made
it
into
our
statement
about
the
project.
The
use
is
allowed
to
be
students,
and
you
know
kind
of
counselors
and
different
people
like
that.
So
we
we're
thinking
up
on
the
top,
where
there's
going
to
be
a
townhome
community
and
closer,
whereas
this
area
we're
looking
at
now,
is
kind
of
separated
from
everybody
that
we
would
really
try
to
Market
it
to
faculty.
P
If
possible,
I,
don't
know
that
that's
gonna,
you
know
ultimately
work
out
within
the
parameters
of
what
the
law
allows.
You
know
we
want
to.
You
know:
do
that
as
much
as
possible
and
keep
students
undergrad
and
graduate
down
here.
We
have
the
flexibility
to
do
that.
I
think
understanding
what
that
is
and
I'd
also
point
out.
The
architecture
up
top
is
also
same
Lennar
architecture
that
the
182
townhome
Community
is
built
there.
So
it's
different
than
the
town
homes
that
the
15
we're
looking
at
right
here.
P
So
those
two
are
different:
an
architecture
that
one's
more
consistent
in
size
and
scale
to
those
town
homes
that
are
up
there
in
that
area,
because
that's
one
of
the
requirements
for
purpose-built
student
housing,
which
is
to
make
sure
it
fits
within
the
top
context
of
a
community,
and
we
think
you
know
directly
adjacent
to
those
Townhomes.
It
would
look
a
little
out
of
place
if
one
was.
You
know
out
of
scale
with
the
other
I'm,
not
an
architect,
obviously,
but
that.
A
P
I
see
Mr
McAuliffe
has
asked
that
question
and
yeah
it's
in
follow-up
to
another
question.
He
asked
of
well
there's
a
lot
of
questions.
I
can't
keep
up
with
them,
but
as
far
as
what
you
know
and
looking
at
this
there's
the
requirements
in
the
code,
we
have
to
come
up
with
a
plan
of
what
we're
going
to
do.
P
I
can
tell
you
I,
don't
know
who
Mr
McAuliffe
talked
to
and
I'd
like
to
know
every
one
of
the
names
that
you
talk
to
as
well
as
he
wants
to
know
the
names
of
everyone
we
talked
to,
but
I
promise
you.
We
have
a
very
well
informed
group
of
people
talking
to
UBC.
We've
commissioned
a
study
that
is
a
market
study
of
how
many
just
are
undergraduate
and
graduate
students
that
want
to
live
on
campus.
That
can't
and
it's
a
significant
number.
This
isn't
even
this
project
wouldn't
even
put
a
debt
in
it.
P
So
there's
a
number
of
kids
that
live
in
the
area
that
have
to
live
much
further
away
from
campus
and
add
to
the
overall
traffic
in
the
area
because
they
can't
live
somewhere
where
they
can
actually
get
a
shuttle.
The
UMBC
shuttles
do
pass
by
here.
We
can
do
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
know
whether
there's
some
Grand
use
thing
that
holds
you
to
it.
We're
getting
this
approved
as
purpose-built
student
housing.
P
A
Let's
just
stay
with
the
direct
questions
of:
are
you
required
to
it?
Doesn't
sound
like
you're
required
to
have
it
some
section
of
it
not
be
student
housing?
It
sounds
like
you
are
at
Liberty
to,
if
desired,
to
make
it
all
purpose-built
student
housing
and
then
the
other
question
that
Jennifer
had
on
the
table
was
you
know
what
what
limits
this
from
becoming
boarding?
I
know,
typically
you're
limited
to
no
more
than
x
amount
of
students
per
dwelling
unit.
I.
P
So,
as
far
as
being
a
land
use
attorney,
what
I
look
at
is
what
does
the
law
say?
I
interpret
the
legislative
intent
of
the
County
Council
I,
think
I
pointed
out
the
Miss
Nugent
back
in
2002,
this
section
441
that
bill
6121
changed
and
we're
getting
in
this
kind
of
more
of
zoning
and
development
things
as
opposed
to
design
stuff
to
a
certain
extent,
but
I'll
try
not
to
go
too
far
afield.
There
was
a
law
pass
for
dormitories
over
by
Stevenson
University
in
the
Owings
Mills
growth
area
and.
P
A
criteria
because
somebody
wanted
to
build
a
student
housing
building
they
built
it.
Obviously
in
2021,
which
is
Bill
61,
is
the
number
of
the
bill.
Dash
21,
meaning
the
year
that
the
bill
was
put
through.
They
created
purpose-built
student
housing
and
dormitories.
They
created
definitions
that
are
now
in
section
101
of
the
zoning
regulations
and
they
modified
section
441
of
the
zoning
regulations,
and
it
is
there's
been
no
purpose-built
student
housing
project
that
I
am
aware
of
I.E
precedent
in
Baltimore
County,
where
this
has
been
applied.
P
A
A
Right
so
I,
so
let
me
go
on
to
my
comments
just
to
keep
this
succinct.
We,
you
know
I
agree
with
some
of
the
comments.
A
I,
you
know,
I
I
guess
I
do
see
that
these
31
townhouses
are
part
of
this
submission,
but
I,
don't
recall,
seeing
in
the
presentation
tonight
elevations
floor
plans
for
those
and
I
believe
they're
they're
front
loaded,
maybe
I
miss
those
but
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
you
know
we
saw
the
plans
and
elevations
for
the
rear,
loaded
townhouses
we
saw
elevations
for
those
I
did
not
see
those.
So
you
know
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that.
A
So
that's
one
thing:
I
also
noticed
you
know
I
always
look
at
you
know.
Certainly
the
open
space
I
agree
with
my
other
colleagues
on
the
panel
that
it
seems
like
a
lack
of
distribution
as
well
as
some
of
the
community
members.
A
You
know,
while
there
is
the
courtyard
space
between
buildings
b
and
a
I,
don't
see,
you
know
that,
and
that
is
a
smaller
space
for
the
number
of
dwelling
I
think
that's
appropriately
sized
for
the
number
of
dwelling
units,
but
I
would
anticipate
a
similar
amenity
closer
to
c
and
d
and
then
I'm
not
even
sure
that
I
know
what
what
it
is
up
at
the
31
townhouses.
What
types
of
amenities
they
have
there
I
also
would
mention.
A
You
know
I'm,
not
really
sure
if
there
is
or
is
not
at
this
point,
a
shared
use,
path,
sidewalk
or
any
other
Trails
connecting
to
the
broader
Network.
They
kind
of
stop
at
the
perimeter.
So
I'd
really
love
to
see
how
this
connects
in
with
the
larger,
the
larger
network
of
trails
around
the
area,
and
specifically
you
know:
how
do
you
move
from
those
trails
off-site
to
the
other?
So
is:
is
there
you
know
if
there's
not
a
sidewalk
along
Route
1?
Is
there
really
should
that
be
a
shared
use
path?
A
What
are
the
other
facilities
that
might
hook
up
to?
That
would
get
you
to
the
campus
I.
Just
think
there
needs
to
be
some
understanding
of,
in
order
to
the
point
that
the
applicants
made
to
you
know,
put
more
students
closer
to
the
university
in
more
desirable
housing.
That's
great,
but
I'm,
not
sure
by
this
presentation
and
the
submit
all
documents
how
they
actually
get
there
without
using
Vehicles.
How
did
they
bike
there?
For
example?
A
You
know
I
would
anticipate
and
it
sounds
like
you
are
required
to
work
with
BC
to
locate,
discuss
the
shuttle
so
I
think
that
will
be
discussed
so
I'm
going
to
leave
that
alone,
but
even
in
the
landscape
plans,
when
we
zoomed
in
and
looked
at
the
root
one
they're
kind
of
discrepancies-
and
this
is
more
of
a
detail
but
I-
think
a
detail
that
that
matters
and
is
indicative
of
some
of
the
the
difference
is
that
I
see
between
the
documents
in
this
set
of
materials
is
here,
I,
see
and
I
think
I
see
that
the
trees
are
located
in
a
planting
strip
between
the
curb
and
the
sidewalk.
A
When
I
looked
at
the
other
diagram
that
showed
the
entry
monuments
and
how
those
would
be
incorporated
into
that
same
section
of
Route
1
and
the
new
road
yeah,
that's
the
one.
Thank
you
you're
doing
a
great
job,
Jennifer
or
whoever's
driving
at
the
moment
of
going
back
and
forth.
Thank
you
very
much
so
here
I
see
that
the
trees
are
now
shown
behind
the
sidewalk.
There's
nothing
to
buffer
pedestrians
from
vehicles.
A
Moving
on
the
trees
are
backwards
of
the
sidewalk
rather
than
in
that
planting
strip,
and,
furthermore,
there's
you
know
it's
an
irregular
pattern
or
an
offset
pattern
to
the
east.
I
think
it's
the
East
anyway
to
the
right
and
and
a
more
regular
pattern
to
the
West.
Those
are
the
type
types
of
details
that
we
are
really
keenly
interested
in
I'm
at
all
levels,
meaning
we
want
to
see
all
the
architecture
we
want
to
see.
You
know
the
difference
between
the
unit
types
we
want
to
see
really.
Where
are
the
plantings
going
and
how?
A
What
type
are
they
and
you
know
how
they're
being
addressing
streets
and
open
spaces
so
I'm?
In
my
opinion,
there
are
three
main
things:
I
think
the
staff
reports
goes
through
Point
by
Point
really
well
and
then
I'll
just
add
on
my
comments
to
say
that
I
want
to
see
consistency
within
the
documents.
I
want
to
see.
A
You
know
the
different
unit
types
and
you
know
how
you
know
all
the
nuances
of
those
so
meaning
the
floor
plans
the
elevations,
how
they
address
the
site
for
those
front
loaded
versus
the
rear,
loaded
that
we
see
here,
I
want
to
understand
the
district
distribution
of
open
space
and
I
want
to
understand
how
the
pad
and
bike
network
is
connecting
off-site.
Those
are
my
main
points.
I
will
say
the
as
most
people
have
I
think
the
architecture
is
contextual.
Some
minor
points
on
that.
A
Just
when
I
hear
Stone
and
everyone
who's
been
on.
The
calls
for
these
drps
will
know
the
next
question
I'm
going
to
ask
is:
is
it
real
quarry
stone
or
is
it
lick
and
stick
manufactured
stone
that
can't
meet
grade?
So
we
want
to
know
those
material
differences
because
it
it
makes
a
difference
in
how
those
materials
are
applied
to
buildings,
how
they
are,
how
they
are
meeting
great
and
how
they
are,
how
they
wear
over
time
and
how
they're
approached
by
people
I
think
other
points
have
been
made.
A
So
I
would
just
on
that
point,
I'll
ask
the
applicant,
you
know:
what
is
that
stone
material?
Is
it
a
vena,
your
stone?
Is
it
real
quarried
stone?
Is
it
cast
stone?
What
does
stone
mean.
M
A
Okay,
but
it's
still
it's,
you
know
if
it
it.
A
Manufactured
Stone
requirements
it
can't
be
installed
within
what
five
to
eight
inches
of
grade.
So
what
is
that
in.
A
They're
right
that
thinks
the
calcium
silicate
cannot
meet
grade,
but
they
do
have
a
limestone
that
can
so,
but
in
any
event,
that's
the
type
of
detail
that
I
think
we
really
need.
This
is
a
big
development
and
has
a
lot
of
impact.
I
think
the
design
is
well
on
its
way.
There's
just
a
lot
of
information.
That's
missing
from
the
package
that
doesn't
give
me
the
level
of
comfort
to
say,
I,
recommend
or
don't
recommend
approval.
A
There
are
aspects
that
I
think
you
can
hear
that
we're
all
behind,
but
I
would
say
that
you
know
again.
I
know
we're
we're
going
to
move
to
motion,
but
I
would
say
that
there
isn't
enough
detail
that
I
would
need
to
see
the
coordination
and
some
more
thought,
as
well
as
the
county
comments
addressed,
so
that
that's.
A
That
concludes
that
the
comments
from
the
individuals
I'd
like
to
ask
Miss
raw
and
Mr
Stevens,
if
either
of
you
feels
comfortable
making
a
motion
based
on
those
comments
or
if
you'd
like
to
dialogue
a
bit
further
before
doing
so.
D
I
I
For
either
of
us
to
do
so,
because
there
were
lots
of
things
that
were
covered
right.
A
Well,
I
will
say
just
you
know,
I
think,
whatever
the
staff
report,
you
know
as
long
as
we.
A
I
think
you
can
certainly
reference
that
I.
Think
one
of
the
key
things
to
note
is
you
know
how,
if
this
is
not
approved,
requires
return,
a
conditional
approval
that
planning
staff
can
can
oversee
or
if
it's
you
know,
approved
and
no
return,
no
further
review.
So
just
if
you
want
to
you
know,
first
preface
what
you
both,
maybe
what
you
both
think
of
which
direction
we
should
go
in
in
terms
of
the
overall
motion
Direction
and
then
we
someone
can
take
a
stab
and
we
can
refine
the
list
of
conditions.
H
D
I
agree
with
that:
I
think
there
are
too
many
points
that
are
not
fully
addressed
or
developed
to
be
conditionally
approved
as
it
stands
now,
I
would
like
to
see
it
again.
Okay,.
A
Same
so,
okay,
so
I.
Think
then,
if
you
can
miss
raw
Mr
Stevens,
you
know
go
through
a
I'll,
say
a
draft
motion,
and
then
we
can
chime
in
on
that.
Okay.
I
It's
all
amazing,
great,
so
I
will
make
a
motion
to
not
approve.
D
With
a
suggestion
to
comply
with
the
suggestions
given
and
the
staff
report
Also
to
clarify
further
the
material
specifications,
relationships
to
the
site
that
the
buildings
have
through
adding
more
cross-sections
and
other
details
that
show
how
especially
the
base
of
the
buildings
meet
the
site
and
I
think
the
open
space
was
in
the
staff
report
as
well.
Correct.
A
C
We
did
say
the
report
that
we
wanted
to
see
more
open
space,
Not
Just
concentrated
between
Building
A
and
B,
but
more
distributed
throughout
the
proposed
development.
I.
D
Besides
the
materials
and
the
relationship
to
the
site,
is
there
more
that
we
need
to
add
in
addition
to
the
staff
report,
suggestions
not
in
not
that
I
recall
the
James
or
yeah.
H
I
guess
just
to
add
to
that
is
just
making
sure
that
there
there
is
a
a
a
a
study
by
the
applicant
of
of
the
open
space
and
I'm
I'm
I'm,
really
keen
on
incorporating
some
type
of
Courtyard
exterior
amenity
between
sea,
Building,
C
and
D
yeah.
A
A
Referenced
in
their
comments,
so
I
mean
we
can
we
can
highlight
that,
but
that
is,
as
Jennifer
noted,
I
think.
The
other
thing
that
I
would
like
to
just
make
sure
is
that
we,
the
staff,
does
represent
or
require
more
accurate
elevations
to
look
at
grade.
I
would
just
say
elevations
and
unit
plans
for
all
product.
That's
that
is
being
proposed
in
the
submission.
It
doesn't
specifically
state
that,
but
I
don't
think
we
saw
plans
and
elevations
for
the
31
Northern
front,
loaded,
Townhomes,
okay,.
D
Okay
should
I
make
the
motion
again.
A
H
She
does
you
know
as
if
we're
really
taking
a
good
look
at
the
extra
elevations
and
the
materials
and
the
retaining
walls
and
and
making
sure,
vertically
everything
it's
working
from
an
elevation
perspective
and
and
detail
the
open
space
and
and
making
sure
that
there's
a
strong
connectivity
with
the
planning
and
and
sidewalk
connections
within
the
site
and
and
and
Beyond.
H
I
D
For
the
applicant
to
come
back
to
us,
with
changes
made
based
on
the
staffed
report,
suggestions
and
also
for
the
materials
of
the
buildings
to
be
specified
in
more
clarity
and
detail
same
for
the
relationships
to
the
site
through
cross-sections
and
longitudinal
sections,
and
to
include
more
accurate
elevations
and
plants
and
annotations
and
more
details
of
key
sections
of
the
buildings.
C
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe
so
I
mean
we
are
recording
it.
So
if
we
need
to
refer
back
to
what
was
said,
we
can
certainly
go
to
the
tape.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
I
appreciate
it
so
with
that
looking
to
Mr
Stevens
for
a
second
of
the
motion
on
the
floor.
A
Okay,
Ocean
on
the
floor,
all
in
favor
say
aye.
F
A
Aye
aye,
that's
unanimous.
The
motion
carries
and
I
believe
that
concludes
for
this
evening.
I
think
the
applicants
for
going
through
that
process
I
hope
you
can.
You
know
you
have
pretty
good
comments
to
address
and
come
back
and
I
think
it.
The
design
is
on
the
way
we
just
need
more
details.
So
with
that
Let's
see
we
have
just
one
other
item
which
is:
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
this
board
meeting.