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A
B
A
Okay,
mr
d'amico
yeah,
the
santas.
C
A
Mr
khan,
here
I
don't
believe
mr
renault
is
on
yet
mr
yuseffero
here,
and
we
also
have-
is
mr
anderson
here-
I'm
here
great
for
those
of
you
who
are
new
the
design
review
panel.
Mr
anderson
is
our
residential
reviewer.
A
A
Okay,
if
not,
we
need
a
motion
to
accept
the
meeting
minutes
of
circulated.
Do
I
have
a
motion.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
for
those
of
you
who
are
new
to
this
process.
The
design
review
panel
was
created
by
title
four
subtitle,
two
part,
one
of
section
32-4
203
and
32-4
204,
which
established
the
design
review
panel
to
encourage
design
excellence
intellect
as
a
consulting
and
advisory
capacity
to
the
agencies
involved
in
the
process
for
reviewing
development
plans.
A
A
These
comments
will
also
be
included
in
the
record
written
record
of
the
meeting
when
a
speaker
is
called
to
speak.
Please
keep
your
comments
focused
on
the
design
perspectives
within
the
purview
of
the
panel
individuals
are
allowed
two
minutes
time.
If
you
are
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
community
group,
you
will
be
given
five
minutes
with
that.
A
I'd
like
to
call
our
first
presentation
for
this
evening,
which
is
1861
circle.
Road,
john
residential
review,.
G
John,
yes,
this
is
jennifer
in
planning
before
the
first
reviewer
does.
I
would
like
to
add
on
to
your
statement
and
more
as
a
reminder
of
the
panel
that,
after
the
and
this
is
mostly
for
the
commercial
projects
after
the
participant
or
the
applicant
presents
their
project,
we
will
read
our
recommendations
from
our
staff
report
and
then
the
communities
will
have
their
opportunities
to
express
their
comments
and
concerns
relative
to
that
project.
G
What
I'd
like
to
remind
the
panel
to
do
is
in
listening
to
both
the
applicant,
the
community
and
planning
that
they
use
all
three
to
base
their
review
of
the
project
at
this
meeting
and
their
recommendations
upon.
A
With
that
marta
do
you
know
who's
doing
the
presentation
for
180
1857
circle.
H
Hello
good
evening,
I'm
alan
klatsky.
I
am
a
real
estate
developer
in
baltimore
county
I've
been
working
in
baltimore
county
for
over
35
years
and
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
present
1861
circle
road
in
towson.
It's
a
new
construction,
custom-built,
very
beautiful
home,
to
bring
this
project
into
context.
H
Two
months
ago
I
presented
1857
circle
road,
which
was
part
of
this
larger
parcel.
The
property
was
originally
six
acres.
Two
acres
were
carved
off
for
1857,
which
was
approved
two
months
ago,
and
now
this
home
will
is
proposed
for
the
remaining
four
acres
at
1861..
H
As
a
reminder
martha,
I
don't
know
why
it
keeps
rolling.
That's
that's
fine.
As
a
reminder,
the
six
acre
parcel
originally
contained
four
structures,
one
of
which
was
a
twelve
thousand
square
foot
home.
Another
was
a
6,
000
square
foot
home
and
then
a
35
square
foot,
comb
and
a
detached
garage.
H
The
county
map
again
shows
the
parcel
1861,
which
kind
of
wraps
the
corner
of
circle
road
where
it
takes
the
short
bend.
H
One
thing
which
I'll
elaborate
on
later
there's
an
existing
retaining
wall
which
divided
the
large
mansion.
If
you
will
that
you
see
on
the
map
and
the
smaller
homes,
and
that
retaining
wall
runs
right
along
the
property
line
that
I
have
designated
to
separate
1857
from
1861.,
that's
significant
because
of
the
topography.
H
H
This
is
a
site
plan
for
1861.
You
can
see
the
house
is
sitting
basically
on
the
middle
of
the
the
lot,
the
entire
area
to
the
right
of
the
house.
That's
all
kind
of
open.
There
is
off
forest
buffer
and
forest
conservation
where
I'll
be
planting
dozens
and
dozens
of
two
inch
caliper
trees.
H
So
again
from
circle.
Road
you'll
have
a
gorgeous
natural
buffer
from
all
the
trees
that
I'm
planting,
you
can
see
at
the
top
right
hand,
corner
there's
an
existing
tennis
court,
that's
being
removed
and
again,
trees
will
be
planted
in
place
of
that.
The
house
is
oriented
in
its
architecture.
It
kind
of
faces
both
sides
of
the
of
the
street.
H
This
is
a
landscape
plan
for
the
house
itself.
So
even
though
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
beautiful
vegetation,
which
is
remaining
many
of
which
are
specimen
trees
that
have
been
selected
by
the
county
and
all
of
the
forest
conservation
plantings
that
I'm
planting
around
the
perimeter,
I'm
also,
as
you
can
see,
planting
lots
and
lots
of
landscaping
around
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
house
itself.
H
H
Circle:
road,
with
a
driveway
going
up
to
the
original
1861,
big
old,
12,
000
square
foot
house.
That's
not
perched
on
the
hill,
the
new
house
that
I'm
building
is
being
built
in
exactly
the
footprint
of
the
old
house.
So
it's
going
to
be
from
a
street
view.
It's
going
to
look
very
similar
to
what
was.
H
And
this
is
a
bird's
eye
view
of
the
property
again
before
demolition.
So
here
you
can
see
the
cluster
of
homes
and
then
the
really
large
home
again,
that's
where
I'll
be
building
the
new
home
and
on
the
low
side
of
the
property.
You
see
the
tennis
court
and
you
see
the
open
field
where
I'm
going
to
be
planting
all
the
new
trees.
H
H
So
this
is
a
picture
of
that
privacy
wall
which
is
being
kept
and
runs
down
in
between
the
two
houses,
and
you
can
see
the
tall
trees
on
the
high
side
of
the
wall.
H
H
Three-Car
garage
beautifully
articulated
lots
of
beautiful
details,
standing
seam
metal
roof
on
the
two
bay
windows;
beautiful
wrought
iron
railing
over
the
front
door,
portico
a
turret
style
architecture
on
both
wings,
which
are
actually
both
staircases.
H
And
this
is
the
left-hand
side
of
the
house,
which
is
really
a
utility
side,
and
this
is
the
side
of
the
house
that
will
be
right
up
against
that
retaining
wall.
So
nobody
will
ever
see
this
side,
although
I
don't
think
it's
unattractive,
but
this
side
will
be
hidden
by
that
retaining
wall,
and
this
is
where
all
the
mechanical
systems
will
be.
H
This
is
the
back
of
the
home
again
very
tailored,
very
elegant
for
a
large
home.
I
think
it's
you
know
not
imposing
french
glass
doors
to
go
out
to
a
nice
stone
patio
and
again
a
big
covered
porch
with
a
stone
fireplace.
H
And
this
is
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
house,
so
this
is
the
side
that
would
be
viewed
from
part
of
circle
road,
since
I'm
at
that
corner,
you'll,
see
this
vista
and
then
you'll
also
see
the
front
facade
as
you
bend.
The
corner
so
depends
on
which
way
you're
coming
on
circle
road
because
it
makes
a
circle
you'll
see
either.
One
of
these
two
facades.
H
This
picture
I
enclosed
because
I
couldn't
get
the
colors
right
on
the
other,
rendering
this
is
pretty
close
to
the
coloring
that
I'm
going
to
be
using
for
the
new
home.
The
stucco
is
a
very,
very
quiet,
soft
beigey,
taupey
color
and
the
stone
is
a
very
beautiful
natural
blend
of
browns
and
greys.
A
H
Okay,
I'll
speed
it
up.
I
just
want
to
be
thorough
for
you.
This
is
the
shingles
that
I'm
going
to
be
using
really
pretty
lifetime
shingles,
okay
and
then
you
have
the
package
of
all
the
construction
drawings
which
I'm
sure
all
of
you.
H
H
H
A
A
Okay
with
that,
as
we
typically
do
with
residential
projects,
we'll
have
fran
anderson
start
with
his
comments.
I
Thanks
john,
as
I
normally
do,
I
usually
ask
and
mr
klasky
you've
been
through
this
before
so,
was
there
any
meeting
with
the
community
the
neighbors
through
the
association,
I
did
not
get
any
updates
from
peggy,
as
I
would
typically.
H
So
fran
I'll
I'll
remind
you
that
two
months
ago,
when
I
presented
1857,
there
was
somebody
that
called
in
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
saying
that
they
support
everything
that
I'm
doing
there.
I
sent
notice
out,
of
course,
to
more
than
I
was
supposed
to
you
know
everybody
kind
of
in
the
area
and
spoke
to
peggy,
and
I
know
peggy
invited
everybody
to
meet
with
me
as
we
did
last
time
and
nobody
took
us
up
on
a
meeting.
So
I
I'm
assuming
that
they're
in
support.
I
Different
project,
different
meetings,
so
let's
get
it
on
the
record,
don't
have
a
lot
of
comments
which
I'm
sure
john
will
be
happy
to
hear
the
the
question
I
have
the
the
wall
between
the
two
properties
that
retaining
wall
are.
You
gonna
have
to
put
a
fence
on
the
top
of
that
wall.
H
I
will
check
you
know,
there's
no
fence
now,
but
of
course
the
property
is
an
old
property
right,
I'll
I'll
have
to
check
with
zoning.
I
guess
I
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
I
hadn't
contemplated
it.
Yeah.
I
The
height
of
it
would
suggest
that
it
would
be
required
between
two
properties
at
you
know
well
on
any
property
at
that
height,
but
I
don't
know
for
sure.
I'm
just
would
like
to
know,
and
if
you
had
to
put
one
up,
if
you
would
be
able
to,
you
know,
submit
something
that
that
you
know
show
defense
as
it
would
be
visible
to
some
degree.
Let's
see
the
how
old
on
your
on
your
fcp,
I
can't
it's
a
little
blurry
for
me.
I
Can
you
just
tell
me
what
the
the
the
trees
species
are
in
the
in
the
front
area
around
circle
roof
there.
You
said
we
gave
it
size,
but
I
don't
know
which
what
kind
of
trees
you're
putting
there,
but
I
can't
read
it
on
the
fcp.
H
I
H
I
Okay,
now
other
than
that,
I
really
don't
have
much
to
say
it's
a
big
property
it
can.
It
can
carry
the
scale
and
the
size
of
the
house.
I
know
it's
a
very
eclectic
mix
of
styles
on
circle
road,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
wrap
up
my
comments
there.
Thank
you.
H
A
J
D
A
A
K
Good
evening
yeah
so
so
I
am
an
I'm
a
civil
engineer
and-
and
I
think
mr
klatsky
very
nicely
executed,
based
upon
topography
and
orientation.
So
I
have
no
further
comments.
Nice
job
thank.
A
B
Okay,
I
do
have
six
total
questions
or
comments,
I'll
just
run
through
them
for
the
the
elevation
again.
I
think
this
is
mostly
because
there's
some
blurring
to
the
documents
that
we
received
is
there
a
a
delineated
water
table
sill
that
runs
along.
I
see
it
where
there's
stucco
above,
but
is
there
a
sill
that
continues
around
on
the
stone
portions
of
the
elevation.
B
Okay,
very
good,
okay
and
second
question
is:
it?
Is
the
stone
veneer
a
real
stone
veneer
or
is
it
a.
B
H
B
It
is
okay,
all
right,
okay,
next
question:
the
elevations
label,
the
finish
as
stucco
is
that
an
ifa
system
or
a
you
know:
parge
stucco.
It.
B
B
The
rest
of
the
detailing
on
the
house,
I
think,
is
very
successful.
I
think
there's
some
small
minor
modifications
to
the
entablature
above
the
column.
If
you
look
at
traditional
architecture
and
classical
architecture
that
entablature
that
sits
above
the
forehead
above
the
columns
should
be
in
alignment
with
the
neck
of
the
column
in
the
proposed
elevation.
Currently,
it
actually
extends
over
the
columns,
and
I
believe
you
should
move
that
in
and
be
in
alignment,
and
I
think
you'll
find
it's
less
top-heavy.
That
way.
H
I
actually
will
have
always
built
it
the
way
you're
saying
I
I
would
not
build
it
this
way
and
my
framers
would
not
frame
it
this
way.
So
I
I
agree
with
you:
okay,.
B
All
right
so
we'll
just
note
that,
as
a
condition,
that
is
the
extent
of
my
comments
and
questions.
Thank
you.
F
C
A
A
H
H
A
And
that's
almost
what
it
looks
like
you.
You
have
that
little
saddle
bag
if
you
basically
take
the
stone
up
to
the
eave
or
the
soffit
line,
and
then
basically
you'll
have
a
little
roof.
Projecting
up
like
you'll,
still
have
a
little
tip
in
there,
but
it
just
seems
a
little
awkward
to
have
the
one
eve
and
then
immediately
below
it.
Another
roof,
obviously
nobody's
going
to
be
seeing
it's
not
like
you're
driving
by
it
just
seems
a
little
awkward.
I.
H
A
Comments
with
that
cecily,
since
you
had
most
of
the
comments,
would
you
like
to
make
a
motion.
D
A
D
B
Very
good
sure,
john,
this
is
cecily
bedwell,
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
project
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
front
entryway,
column
and
tablet
and
tablature
aligns
with
the
neck
of
the
columns.
B
The
fireplace
on
the
rear
facade
to
the
left
side
of
the
rear
facade
be
raised
with
a
stone
running
up
and
the
eaves
coincidental,
with
the
eve
of
the
house
proper,
I
believe.
That's
the
garage
portion,
but
the
eve
of
the
house
proper
with
the
roof
laying
on
top
of
that
existing
house
roof
or
the
garage
roof.
C
A
A
L
N
E
N
It
fronts
on
pennsylvania,
avenue
the
rear
of
butts,
an
alley,
that's
known
as
watkins
way
and
then
going
further
north
on
the
other
side
of
watkins
way.
Is
another
parking
lot
that
heads
all
the
way
up
to
allegheny
avenue.
N
N
N
We
have
it
all
currently
on
this
site
is
an
existing
two-story.
Building
that
fronts
on
pennsylvania
avenue
in
the
rear
is
a
small
parking
lot
that
abuts
watkins
way
we're
proposing
to
keep
the
rear
parking
lot.
Basically,
the
same,
we'll
be
repaving
and
we're
going
to
remove
the
existing
building
and
extend
the
parking
out
towards
pennsylvania
avenue.
N
Currently,
we
are
proposing
30
parking
spaces
with
a
landscape
area
in
the
front
that
there
currently
is
a
small
landscape
area
in
the
front
of
the
existing
building.
We're
going
to
be
keeping
that
and,
of
course,
reworking
that
next
thing,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
is
the
grading
situation,
as
you
can
see
in
section
a
a
at
the
top,
we
are
holding
the
grade
from
the
existing
alley
through
the
existing
parking
lot
and
basically
maintaining
that
same
grade
down
to
pennsylvania
avenue.
N
N
N
N
N
Okay,
good,
the
first
photo
is.
N
N
N
N
Next,
one
down
this
is
looking
across
the
street,
we're
at
the
entrance
to
the
pnc
parking
lot
next
slide
down
this
one,
unfortunately,
is
out
of
order.
My
fault:
this
is
the
rear
parking
lot
that
is
exists
right
now.
You
can
see
the
high
wall
on
the
left
hand
side
here
where
the
six
story
building
is,
and
then
you
can
see
the
side
of
the
brick
building
on
the
other
side
next
slide
down.
N
N
N
N
That's
that's
everything.
I'm
showing
change.
A
Margaret
you
have
martyr.
D
Mutes
themselves,
please
thank
you.
So
this
staff
report
is
follow
the
baltimore
county
zoning
regulations
code,
references
for
the
project
conformance
is
the
regulations
set
forth
in
bill
number.
D
Subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
provide
a
detailed
landscape
plan
with
a
list
of
all
proposed
plants.
Native
plants
should
be
used
and
we
attach
in
suggested
tree
list.
There
are
two
number
two:
there
are
two
existing
tree
pits
along
fast
pennsylvania
avenue.
One
has
a
tree
and
another
has
no
tree
per
dt
guideline
standards
replace
the
tree
pits
with
new
ones
and
plant
a
new
tree
where
one
is
missing.
D
Number
three
provide
gt
standard
pits
for
all
proposed
trees.
Number
four
provide
sections
with
dimensions
to
show
that
dt
thousand
requirements
are
met,
brick
paving
edge
along
the
carp,
16
inches
in
width
and
the
trees
tree
pit
are
constructed
per
dt's
thousand
standards.
Clarified
number
five
clarified.
If
the
proposed
trees
will
remain
when
the
new
building
will
be
added
in
three
five
years
and
number
six.
The
side
slopes
towards
west
pennsylvania
avenue
provides
storm
water
treatment,
vegetation
in
the
proposed
buffered
area
between
the
sidewalk
and
parking
lot
to
help
capture,
stormwater
and
runoff.
D
Next
section
is
block
configuration
site,
design,
recommendations,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
block
configuration
site,
design,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
clearly:
label
on
the
plan,
all
pedestrian
and
vehicle
entrances
into
into
the
proposed
parking
lot
and
identify
pedestrian
and
vehicle
circulation.
Number
two
show
on
the
plan
possible.
Pedestrian
connections
from
west
pennsylvania
avenue
to
watkins
way
and
to
allegheny
avenue,
and
next
section
is
parking.
D
Staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
parking
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
incorporate
a
screen
wall
or
decorative
metal,
fencing
in
combination
with
pillars
to
screen
the
proposed
parking
lot
from
west
pennsylvania.
Avenue
number
two
provide
details
for
all
proposed
walls
indicated
on
page
two
of
the
proposed
plan
and
number
three.
D
The
surface
parking
areas
shall
meet
class
b
standards
of
the
bathroom
county
landscape
manual
in
regards
to
lighting
staff,
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
lighting
subject
to
the
following
condition:
provide
details
for
all
proposed
lighting
fixtures
and
note
that
the
placement
of
lighting
should
provide
adequate
illumination
for
safety
and
convenience
for
the
project's
users,
but
not
reduce
unwanted
glare
and
in
regards
to
signs
stuff.
The
first
approval
of
the
proposed
signage
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
sorry
staff
recommends
approval.
If
you
propose
signage
subject
to
the
following
condition,
indicate
on
the
plan.
A
Mart
I
have
any:
has
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
project.
A
Okay,
I
do
have
a
question
before
I
start
asking
the
panel
for
their
comments.
So
do
I
understand
by
the
one
comment
that
this
parking
lot
is
intended
to
only
be
there
for
a
short
period
of
time.
N
M
M
Along
with
many
of
the
others,
I
think
the
the
edge
of
this
parking
lot,
that
slopes
toward
pennsylvania
avenue.
There's
a
comment
about
a
screen
wall
or
a
decorative
metal
fencing.
I
think
it's
important
to
identify
that
edge
along
there,
since
there
are
buildings
on
either
side
that
street
edge
really
needs
to
be
defined
strongly.
M
There's
no
indication
of
the
lighting
fixtures
and,
once
again
I
think
that's
important
on
the
pennsylvania
avenue
side.
I
recognize
the
alley
side
is
not
very
attractive,
but
certainly
the
importance
of
pennsylvania
avenue
side
needs
to
be
thought
of
in
terms
of
lighting
and
then
and
as
well
as
signage.
So
I
think
at
least
among
other
items.
Those
are
the
three
that
I
think
are
most
important
to
improving
the
project
and
that's
it.
K
I'm
here
yeah
good
evening,
so
so
again
joe
use
a
pharaoh.
I
I
review
from
an
civil
engineering
perspective,
so
mr
hoff,
I've
got
a
couple
questions
specifically
on
the
drp.
K
If
somebody
could
mute
their
line,
I'm
hearing
it
perfect.
So
my
my
first
comment
is,
I
don't
see
any
kind
of
dimensions
on
the
on
the
plan,
so
it
looks
like
it's
60
feet
wide,
so
I'm
I'm
taking
from
that.
An
18
foot
parking
space,
22
drive,
two-way
drive
and
an
18.
K
is
that
accurate
tom?
Yes,.
K
Correct
yes,
yes,
my
second
comment
question
is:
what
is
the
material
of
the
small
walls
section,
a
a
b,
b,
c
c
and
d
d?
Is
that
just
a
an
extended
curb
or
is
there?
Are
you
proposing
some
kind
of
material
on
that
wall.
N
It's
it's
basically
going
to
just
be
either
or
a
reinforced,
concrete
or
some
kind
of
block.
We
hadn't
worked
out
the
details
on
that.
Remember,
it's
so
small!
It's
it's!
Only
three
foot
high
at
the
at
the
most
when
the
west
side,
where,
where
we're
close
to
the
adjacent
building
there
there's
an
existing
retaining
wall
along
along
the
piece
of
the
parking
lot
and
then
we'll
be
picking
up
at
the
end
of
that
retaining
wall
and
then
coming
forward
with
that
out
to
pennsylvania.
N
So
we're
we're
talking
we're
talking
about
very
low,
retaining
walls,
nothing!
So
there's!
No!
Nothing
big!
Here!
The
tallest
is
at
that
corner
where
it
meets
the
existing
wall.
It's
four
feet
high.
It
tapers
all
the
way
down
to
one
foot
high
when
you
get
down
to
the
front
of
the
parking
lot,
so
it's
really
not
much
more
than
a
high
curve.
At
that
point
in
time,.
K
Gotcha.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
My
final
comment:
if
you
could
mute
again,
I'm
sorry
I'm
hearing
an
echo.
K
My
final
comment
has
to
do
with
stormwater
management
and
typically,
as
mr
dimenta
mentioned,
this
panel
does
not
review
from
stormwater.
However,
in
the
dt
district
we
provide
guidance
on
it.
So
I
I
didn't
hear
how
you
were
you
planned
to
address
stormwater
so,
mr
hoff,
could
you
just
speak
to
how
you
plan
to
do
that?
Moving
forward
with
the
development.
N
Okay,
I'm
proposing
an
inlet
in
the
in
the
east
side
corner
towards
pennsylvania
avenue
to
put
an
inlet
there.
All
my
drainage
runs
to
that
corner
and
then
from
there
it
would
go
into
the
existing
storm
drain.
That's
there
in
pennsylvania,
avenue
out
in
front
of
our
site
as
far
as
how
we
would
do
stormwater
management.
N
There
are
limited,
very
limited
possibilities
here
and
I
have
not
talked
to
the
stormwater
management
people
about
this.
Yet
I
had
considered
trying
to
use
that
green
space
as
some
kind
of
environmental
site
design
area
for
the
for
the
water
to
be
managed,
but
until
I
get
together
with
the
stormwater
management
people,
I'm
just
I
just
don't
know
where
we're
going
with
that.
J
I
would
like
to
just
reiterate
with
donald
and
the
staff
commented
specific
to
both
lighting
and
signage.
N
We
I
have
I've,
seen
some
proposed
light
poles
on
the
site
plan
here
again,
that
was
in
a
very
preliminary
sense,
because
we
haven't
gotten
into
the
actual
layout
of
where
these
poles
will
be
and
working
out.
The
lighting
pattern
signage
wise,
we're
where
there
are
no
real
signs
proposed
at
this
point
in
time
other
than
where
we're
going
to
have
the
or
we'll
have
the
the
machine
for
where
you'll
pay
for
the
parking
up
near
the
sidewalk.
J
I
think
understanding
what
that
sequence
is
from
a
design
perspective
off
pennsylvania
avenue
is
important,
whether
it's
signage,
you
mentioned
the
machine
like
what
does
that
look
like
as
you're
pulling
in,
and
what
does
it
start
to
look
like?
I
think
it's
important.
I
didn't
see
that
on
the
planner
noted
in
staff
comments
with
regards
to
that
machine.
N
Are
you
you're
asking
about
the
machine
where
they're
going
to
pay
for
the
okay?
It's
it's
probably
going
to
be
very
similar
to
the
one.
That's
on
the
parking
lot
at
washington
and
allegheny.
N
A
Okay,
matt,
do
you
have
any
comments.
F
E
L
F
F
Sorry
and
then
the
path
is
or
the
pathway,
that's
leading
from
the
parking
lot
to
the
sidewalk
along
pennsylvania
avenue.
How
wide
is
that.
F
N
B
So
my
comment
is,
I
wouldn't
you
know
I
would
be
okay
in
approving
this,
based
on
the
conditions
in
the
staff
report
and
with
their
review,
but
typically
we'd
want
to
see
things
like
landscape
the
wall,
the
details
of
the
sidewalks.
So
as
long
as
my
other
other
members
of
the
drp
are
comfortable
with
staff,
I'm
comfortable
because
the
the
staff
report
touched
on
everything
that
I
had
concerns
with.
So
that's
well,
where
I'll
leave
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
do
have
a
few
questions
before
I
make
a
comment
one
I
was
had
the
project
called
up
on
google
earth
on
my
ipad.
The
existing
tree
and
the
plant
well
is
a
fairly
large
tree.
Looks
like
it's
about
twice
the
size
up
to
the
eve
of
the
existing
house.
You've
got
two
trees
with
the
green
circles.
Are
they
viewed
as
new
trees.
N
Oh,
yes,
they
would
be
new
trees
and
there
there's.
The
request
was
that
we
were
to
add
a
tree
in
the
existing
empty
tree
pits
which
is
right
here.
N
We
had
talked
about
putting
major
trees
in
here,
given
the
size
of
the
existing
one,
and
given
the
fact
that
we're
putting
another
one
in
here,
putting
two
more
majors
might
just
be
overcrowded.
We
might
want
to
go
for
some
kind
of
minor
trees.
N
A
A
All
that
area
is
most
likely
going
to
change.
I
guess
I'm
I'm
wondering
the
one
staff
comment
was
to
replace
the
existing
tree
pins.
You
can't
tell
from
google
earth
the
condition
of
those
pits,
I'm
wondering
from
the
panel
standpoint
if
that
improvement
makes
more
sense
when
they
actually
build
the
building.
Here.
A
So
I'm
throwing
that
is
out
for
something
for
the
panel
to
consider.
If
there's
going
to
be
new
construction
in
three
to
five
years,
I
think
we
do
need
to
see
what
this
fence
is
going
to.
Look
like,
I
assume,
between
the
parking
in
the
landscape
area,
where
you
it's
from
what
I
could
tell
from
the
drawings.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
fence
or
a
wall.
A
You
selected
an
ornamental
fence
again,
it's
one
of
those
things
that
cecily,
I
think
mentioned.
We
usually
have
details
of
those
as
part
of
this
presentation.
N
F
Jonathan
is
going
to
say,
based
on
the
county's,
rather
detailed
comments
and
the
fact
that
they
have
approved
it
and
responded.
Cecily's
comment
uncomfortable
approving
it
with
these
conditions
that
they
provide
all
these
materials
that
the
counties
ask
for
what
these
we've
asked
for,
to
submit
them
to
the
county
as
a
condition
of
their
approval.
F
I'm
inclined
to
require
the
tree
in
the
tree
that
if
it's
going
to
be
replaced
with
the
new
detail
and
the
brick
banding
and
that
construction,
they
can
amend
the
soil
and
get
a
tree
to
work
in
there
and
I'm
inclined
for
it
to
be
a
large
street
tree.
So
I
know
it's
going
to
be
smaller
than
the
other
trees,
but
at
least
ultimately
30
years
from
now
and
as
the
tree
grows.
C
E
F
C
F
C
G
F
All
right,
so,
let's
go
one
by
one
here:
environmental
sustainability.
We
would
request
that
you
provide
a
detailed
landscape
plan
with
a
list
of
all
proposed
plants.
Native
plants
should
be
used
utilize.
The
suggested
tree
list
we're
requesting
you
replace
the
tree
in
the
empty
tree
pit
with
a
major
street
tree,
similar
species
and
conform
to
the
existing
trees.
F
We're
requesting
you
to
provide
the
standard
streetscape,
that's
per
the
downtown
town,
towson
guidelines
and
I
believe
the
towson
open
space
amenity
plan.
If
I
remember
correctly,
has
the
details
for
the
16
inch
wide
grit
and
curving
and
the
detail
around
the
tree
pits.
F
F
B
Matt
this
is
cecily.
I
have
one
equipment
and
one
one
ad.
The
amendment
is
to
delete
the
portion
about
providing
a
pedestrian
connection
because
it's
so
constrained,
I
think
the
pedestrian
connection
from
the
the
existing
west
penn
sidewalk
to
the
parking
lot,
but
really
the
only
place
that
the
property
owner
can
have
pedestrian
access
is
just
walking
through
the
parking
lot.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
we
want
to
require
that
in
any
other
form.
A
M
A
Okay,
but
that
this
presentation
is
concluded.
P
Yes
good
evening,
thank
you,
marta
good
evening,
chairman
demena
and
members
of
the
design
review
panel,
david
karczewski,
with
venable
llp
here
on
behalf
of
the
owner
of
the
property.
Also
with
me
tonight,
signed
best
presenters
are
bryce
turner
with
bct
architects,
as
well
as
arthur
adler
on
behalf
of
the
ownership.
This
project,
I'll
be
brief
before
bryce
takes
over
this
project
has
a
brief.
P
Drp
history
was
heard
once
in
2019.
The
focus
of
that
was
facade
and
streetscape
improvements,
as
well
as
a
number
of
signs
that
were
approved.
All
of
the
approved
signs
are
were
included
by
mr
turner
in
the
design
package
submitted
for
for
your
review
this
evening.
P
Now,
if
you
drive
by
the
building,
they're
very
visible
here
here
in
towson,
just
wanted
to
address
one
of
the
planning
staff
comments
in
their
report
that
this
be
the
only
sign
on
the
building
just
wanted
to
remind
the
panel
and
the
planning
staff
that
these
other
signs
that
there
were
some
other
signs
that
were
approved
at
the
2019
meeting
and
then
to
ask
the
panel
to
consider
that
if
this
sign
is
approved-
and
this
sign
will
be
for
curio
wellness
they're,
taking
an
entire
floor
of
the
office
building.
P
If
this
sign
is
approved
for
curio
wellness,
that
there
not
be
a
condition
imposed
that
this
be
the
only
additional
sign
on
the
building
forever.
I
think
it's
important
to.
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
towson
with
owens
mills
and
hunt
valley
are
the
premier
office
environments
in
this
county.
P
So
we
would
ask
that
a
limit
not
not
be
imposed
for
additional
signs.
It
could
create
a
competitive,
competitive.
P
Market
in
towson,
and
if
mr
adler
and
the
owner
should
cut
ownership,
come
back
for
an
additional
request
later
in
time
that
that
be
reviewed
on
its
own
merit
in
terms
of
the
location,
the
design
the
size
of
those
signs
proposed.
The
the
dt
regulations
do
contemplate
signage
on
the
upper
floors
of
buildings
in
towson
and
direct
that
they
be
proportional
in
relationship
that
there
be
proportional
relationship
between
the
building
and
the
sign
and
that
there
be
a
corresponding
design
to
the
building.
P
The
ownership
has
no
plans
to
stack
six
of
these
signs
vertically
blow
each
other
for
in,
for
example,
one
for
each
story
of
the
building.
That's
not
the
game
plan,
that's
not
it!
Now.
It
won't
be
that,
and
we
only
ask
that
you
consider
that
there
be
an
encouragement
for
redevelopment
of
aging
buildings
in
core
business
communities
like
towson
and,
with
that
said
I'll
hand
it
over
to
mr
turner
to
present
our
design
package.
Thank
you.
Members
of
the
panel.
B
Yes,
okay,
so
in
reviewing
these-
and
until
I
was
looking
again
at
this
cover
sheet,
I
believe
matt
and
may
matt
and
myself
may
have
to
recuse
ourselves.
We
are
currently
doing
work
with
green
obama
enterprises
not
on
this
project,
but
on
projects
elsewhere.
B
If
that
is
the
case,
like
your
your
input
on
that,
and
we
probably
need
to
recuse
ourselves
on
this
one.
G
I
think
that
should
be
fine.
We
still
have
mr
cann,
mr
yousefaro
and
miss
ennis
and
mr
dimanna,
so
that
should
be
fine,
so
that
is
what
you're
going
to
do.
B
A
Q
Jealous
great
okay,
if
you're
ready
for
me
I'll
get
started,
please
do
okay,
I'll
miss
my
design,
collective
friends
on
this
one,
but
this
should
be
pretty
short.
Really.
We've
just
got
three
slides
our
pages.
In
addition
to
this
one
good
evening
to
the
panel,
it's
good
to
see
you
all
virtually,
albeit
you
know,
this
is
we're-
I'm
pleased
to
be
presenting
this,
because
I
think
it's
a
great
example
of
reinvestment
in
a
community
david
mentioned
some
of
that
as
well.
Q
Q
So
when
we
met
with
you
in
2019,
we
talked
about
some
other
signage
and
one
of
the
criteria
for
signage
in
the
downtown
district
of
towns,
and,
of
course,
is
that
it'd
be
pedestrian
oriented
and,
as
you
can
kind
of
see
in
the
bottom
right
of
this
image,
there
is
some
pedestrian-oriented
signage.
That's
been
approved
on
susquehanna
avenue
and
washington,
and
so,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
then
I
just
want
to
address
the
one
sign
that
we
are
presenting
tonight.
Q
This
sign
is
placed
up
higher
on
the
building
in
order
to
be
able
to
see
it
at
all
from
towsontown
boulevard,
and
so
that's
the
one
sign
that
we're
presenting
this
evening,
and
so,
if
you
go
to
the
next
image,
please
this
is
the
tenant
sign
that
is
being
proposed
and
it,
I
believe,
is
key
in
keeping
with
the
design
that
was
developed
for
the
renovation
of
this
building.
As
you
may
recall,
this
building
had
a
lot
of
driving
on
it
kind
of
typical
of
an
80s
office
building.
Q
We
did
some
very
simple
moves
with
signage
and
graphics
and
then
especially
color
to
get
to
ground
the
building
a
little
bit
and
have
a
little
less
contrast
with
the
office
that
was
on
the
existing
building,
and
so
a
lot
of
it
is
about
this
pedestrian
level
and
a
darker
color
palette,
and
this
sign
we
think,
follows
that
design
theme
pretty
well,
so
it's
one
more
additional
band
above
the
other
two
stepping
dark,
gray
bands
that
are
below
it,
the
the
curio
wellness
sign
will
be
approximately
a
15
inch
tall
letter.
Q
So
as
with
some
of
the
other
criteria
for
this
district,
it
is
not
overly
large
in
terms
of
square
footage
in
the
area.
The
black
portion
of
the
sun
is
part
of
its
presence,
which
we
think
is
successful,
but
it
would
be
much
smaller
than
most
of
your
cvs
signs
and
street
level
signs
for
retail
stores.
Q
The
the
other
kind
of
things
that
I
really
wanted
to
mention
here
is
the
building
identity
sign
which
is
215..
So
we
did.
There
was
a
professional
branding
group
that
worked
on
this
project.
215
washington
was
the
new
brand
and
the
215
on
the
building
next
to
the
tenant
sign
will
be
aluminum
letters
that
are
pinned
off
and
they
are
not
illuminated.
Q
The
curio
wellness
sign
will
be
back
illuminated.
It
is
a
dimensional
letter
of
five
inches
deep
off
of
the
face
of
the
black
aluminum
pen
panel,
that
is,
that
is
below
it.
So
we
think
that
this
sign
actually
is
well
in
keeping
with
the
design
of
the
building
and
should
be
approved.
Q
The
that's
and
that's
really,
the
only
slides.
I
have
or
images
that
I
have.
If
anyone
has
more
questions
about
them,
I'm
happy
to
to
comment.
I
think
the
only
other
things
that
are
probably
worthwhile
to
mention
is
the
you
know
there
is
a
white
acrylic
face
to
these
letters,
so
they
will
be
internally
illuminated
as
well
in
the
evening.
Q
So
that's
really
my
presentation
and
if
there
are
any
other
questions
or
comments,
I
can
respond.
D
No,
we
just
have
one
question
from
john
weaver
he's
asking
what
is
the
total
height
of
215
washington
building?
I
think.
Q
D
So
this
staff
report
is
based
on
bosnian
county
zoning
regulations.
D
Court
reference
for
the
project
conformance
is
the
relevant
regulations
at
a
set
forth
in
bill
number
49-16,
downtown
thousand
overlay
district
and
in
bill
number
10-19
under
section
259.16,
subsection
5b.
So
a
staff
recommends
the
following
condition.
This
is
the
only
tenant
signs
that
will
be
allowed
on
the
building.
A
From
go
around
since
matt
and
cecily
have
ex
recused
themselves
kelly.
J
Yes,
I
was
wondering
if
mr
I'm
going
to
mispronounce
it.
I
apologize,
could
just
comment
on
the
request
to
consideration.
You
mentioned
a
few
things
that
you
had
requested
from
a
no
limit
to
signage.
I
just
wanted
to
hear
that
again.
Please.
P
Sure,
thank
you
miss
ennis.
The
request
is,
is
that.
P
The
ability
to
put
any
more
science
on
this
building-
you
know
in
in
my
experience
when
you
have
a
proposal
to
add
to
a
building
or
to
improve.
P
At
that
point
in
time,
in
the
future
that
sign
its
location,
its
size,
its
color
palette,
it's
relationship
to
the
building
that
all
those
all
those
considerations
are
evaluated
at
that
time,
because
now
we
don't
know
what
a
sign
could
look
like
where
it
would
go.
P
It
doesn't
seem
reasonable
to
to
us
and
the
ownership
to
to
say
now
that
this
can
be
the
only
other
sign
forever
on
this
building,
and
you
know
there
are
design
regulations
in
place
in
the
dt
district
that
you
would
use
to
evaluate
any
proposed
additional
sign
later
in
time.
At
that
time,.
P
And
I
did
also
mention
that
I
you
know
yeah.
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
there
are
other
office
markets
in
the
in
this
county
hunt,
valley
and
owens
mills,
where
you
are
allowed
to
do
more
by
right.
We
can't
do
them
by
right
here.
We
would
have
to
go
through
this
design
process
again
in
order
to
install
an
additional
sign
up
on
that
up
on
one
of
the
upper
levels
of
this
building.
J
Thank
you
coming
coming
from
a
tenant
perspective
and
based
on
my
experience,
I
don't
I
don't,
have
a
problem
with
that
that
request
at
all.
As
long
as
when
explored
there
are,
there
are
some
limitations
to
that
design
criteria.
I
because
I
don't
think
it
should
be
overly
signed
with
you
know,
every
every
tenant
that
is
there.
I
get
that
that's
a
consideration
of
a
lease
document
and
the
amount
of
square
footage
I
I
agree
there
should
be
some
limits.
J
I
think
there
needs
to
be
design
considerations
and
a
criteria
perhaps
set
forth
by
building
ownership
of
what
what
that
could
possibly
be
with
some
limits
to
that
design,
criteria
and
design
standards
with
that
sign,
regardless
of
logos.
P
Ms
ennis,
I
think
that's
a
very
important
point
and
mr
adler
and
the
ownership
they
have
put
north
of
two
million
dollars
into
this
building
since
purchasing
it
there,
as
you
can
tell,
by
the
material
by
the
building
design.
That's
been
approved,
they've
been
very
good.
Stewards
of
the
aesthetics
and
design
of
the
building
and.
C
P
M
Yes,
thank
you.
I
think
that
the
the
decision
to
put
that
sign
at
that
location
and
the
scale
all
makes
sense
to
me
as
well.
I
think
that
it
is
sensitively
located
and
I
think
the
ongoing
improvements
to
the
exterior
that
building
have
been
very
successful.
M
The
only
caution
I
would
add
is
sort
of
looking
ahead
is
that
adding
additional
signs
to
the
exterior
of
this
building
may
be
very
challenging
and
that
I
would
certainly
caution
the
development
team
to
be
as
cautious
as
possible
and
considering
putting
more
signage,
but
I
think
this
particular
solution
works
well.
A
Well,
I
think
the
fact
that
they
have
to
come
before
the
review
panel,
if,
if,
if
a
motion
is
made
and
is
approved,
to
approve
this
sign
without
the
condition
any,
as
mr
karczewski
indicated,
any
further
signs
would
be
subject
to
our
review
joseph.
Do
you
have
any
comments.
K
I
do
so
number
one
in
terms
of
the
the
215
sign
the
human
eyes
sign.
I
I
thought
that
is
tastefully
done
and
and
really
works
with,
with
the
pedestrians
and
general
public
and
and
number
two.
I
I
I
think
the
curia
sign
in
the
same
colored
band
as
the
bands
that
are
lower
on
that
elevation
also
works.
K
I
I
don't
think
it's
overly
done
so
so
I
I
certainly
would
support
that.
Mr
mr
turner,
marta,
if
you
could
go
to
the
slide
before
this
one
and
it's
the
plan
view
with
the
side
identified
for
the
curio
sign,
mr
turner,
what
other
signs
are
on
the
building?
I'm
having
a
hard
time,
understanding
that.
Q
K
E
E
A
So
I
I
have
no
specific
comments
on
the
curio
wellness
sign.
I
do
agree
with
kelly's
comments
and
assessment
regarding
the
potential
for
future
signs.
I
think,
since
it's
going
to
become
since
they
would
be
required
to
come
before
the
panel,
I
see
no
reason
to
put
a
restriction
at
this
time.
With
that
kelly,
would
you
like
to
make
a
motion.
G
G
I
do
want
to
remind
the
panel
and
the
applicant
that
the
downtown
towson
district
does
offer
benefits
for
doing
signage
in
the
towson
core
that
are
well
beyond
other
areas
of
the
county
and
those
are
accomplished
through
your
review,
so
other
areas
of
the
county.
If
they
wanted
to
do
a
sign
beyond
what
was
allowed
by
the
zoning
regulations,
they
would
need
to
go
for
a
zoning
hearing
in
the
downtown
towson.
You
do
not
the
the
signage
is
approved
by
you
all,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
A
Thank
you
jennifer,
so
kelly,
do
you
want
to
make
a
motion.
J
I
can
try
sure
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
assignment
curio
wellness
signage,
as
presented
with
no
with
no
restrictions
on
future
signage
unless
presented
to
the
design
review
board
at
a
later
date.
A
A
Okay,
so
we're
now
on
the
presentation,
number
four
ebenezer
road.
K
F
A
Marta,
who
is
doing
our
presentation
for
ebenezer
road.
P
Hello
again,
thank
you,
chairman
domena
and
members
of
the
panel.
I
I
will
be
very
brief
again
with
introductory
comments
here
here
with
us
tonight,
as
presenters
are
mr
yousefaro
professional
engineer
for
atlantic
realty
companies,
craig
bennett
with
cba,
architects
and
jonathan
ross
on
behalf
of
the
ownership,
I
believe
all
have
signed
up
and
are
on
the
call
this
evening
back
in
back
on
july,
8th
this
particular
project
went
before
the
drp
for
review.
There
were
four
conditions
imposed.
C
P
Is
a
a
new
design
booklet
that's
been
submitted,
which
satisfies
and
addresses
three
of
those
comments.
However,
the
first
comment
related
to
a
provision
no
longer
in
the
perry
hall
community
plan
that
that
condition
indicated
a
that
their
that
buildings.
New
buildings
should
be
predominantly
brick
that
that
provision
no
longer
exists
in
the
perry
hall
community
plan.
It
was
suggested
before,
but
it's
even
less
than
that
now,
because
the
language
has
changed
to
indicate
that
if
there
is
painted
brick
or
the
building
is
is
is
not
predominantly.
P
If
there's
painted
brick,
then
then
it
doesn't
apply
or
if
the
front
facade
is
not
predominantly
brick,
then
it
doesn't
apply.
So
we've
come
back.
Mr
isa,
faro
and
mr
bennett
are
here
to
to
to
present
the
the
package
again
there.
There
is
one
point
I'd
like
to
mention
in
advance
of
that
and
the
and
the
and
the
planning
offices
staff
report
did
does
mention
it
as
well.
P
P
This
this
particular
shopping
center
has
over
160
000
square
feet
of
gla,
built
out
with
surface
parking
areas
with
light
poles
in
the
parking
areas
to,
of
course,
light
the
center
it
has
over.
It
has
about
1200
feet
of
linear
frontage
along
ebenezer
road,
where
we
are,
as
you
know,
the
particular
building
that
came
before
you
in
july
was
about
7
200
square
feet
in
size.
P
P
A
fraction
of
the
total
square
footage
in
the
form
of
a
pad
site,
the
provision
seems
to
not
be
applicable
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
entire
frontage
of
the
site.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
up
front
and
address
the
planning
department's
comment
that
indeed,
that
provision
does
exist
in
the
law.
P
We
just
think
that
it
does
not
apply
to
this
particular
project
in
this
particular
instance,
and
it
just
to
mention
that
you
know
we
did
come
back
this
time
in
order
to
try
and
get
the
design
reapproved,
because
the
peril
community
plan
changed.
If,
for
some
reason,
the
plan
changed
again,
but
you
decided
that
light
poles
needed
to
be
installed.
I
would
ask:
is
it
possible
not
to
come
back
to
another
meeting
to
discuss
light
poles
again
if
the
law
were
to
change
again
in
the
future?
K
K
I
just
want
to
remind
this
panel
that
I'm
sorry
one
more
martin
this
this
panel
had
four
conditions.
The
the
first
one
was
the
the
requiring
the
architecture
to
be
predominantly
the
brick
that
mr
karzanki
just
addressed.
K
The
the
second
comment
or
condition,
was
to
eliminate
one
row
of
parking
in
front
of
the
building
of
which
we
have
done
that
through
this
modified
site
plan
resubmitted
to
the
department
of
planning,
and
they
did
in
fact
accept
it.
The
third
condition
was
to
censor
a
if
someone
could
mute
their
line.
That
would
be
great
center.
The
text
portion
of
the
proposed
signage-
we
in
fact
did
that
and
then
the
fourth
was
to
provide
shade
for
the
proposed
play
area
of
which
we've
identified
some
details
and
and
included
in
the
package.
K
So
you
know
we
we
are
here
this
evening
requesting
approval
of
of
this
package
as
it
is,
as
we
feel
that
we
have
addressed
the
conditions
as
it
relates
to
the
lighting.
K
Those
lights
would
remain,
as
is,
and
if,
through
the
lighting
analysis,
that
additional
poles
would
be
warranted
in
the
new
islands,
then
we
would
propose
to
match
the
existing
light
poles
to
create
a
consistent
and
conformant
use
across
the
center.
K
So
with
that,
I
don't
know
if
craig
bennett
or
jonathan
would
like
to
share
any
additional
details.
R
L
Building
with
the
big
gasket
cap,
and
then
we
have
a
fabric
around
the
windows
around
the
building
and
as
also
the
light
lighting
around
the
building
of
what
the
form
of
our
wall,
spouses.
K
Request
this
panel
to
review
and
approve
this
with
middle
classes.
Thank.
A
D
D
So,
as
mentioned
during
presentation,
all
of
the
conditions
format
and
we
recommend
approval
based
on
the
based
on
con
for
conformance
with
comprehensive
manual
development
policies,
petty
hall,
community
plan,
baldwin,
county
landscape
manual
and
baltimore
county
master
plan.
We
recommend
approval
of
staff,
recommends
approval
of
site
design,
foreman
image,
open
space
and
landscape
design,
streets,
parking
and
circulation
and
in
regards
to
an
architectural
design
in
regards
to
signage
and
lighting
staff,
recommends
approval
of
the
signage
in
lighting
design,
subject
to
the
following
condition.
D
Based
on
resolution
number
73-20
adopted
on
july
6
2020
ornamental
street
light
holes
shall
be
installed
to
duplicate
the
look
and
spacing
of
those
constructed
at
perry.
Hall
elementary
school
provide
a
detail
for
the
proposed
light
fixture
to
demonstrate
that
this
requirement
will
be
met,
and
this
is
all
from
staff
report.
A
Thank
you,
marta.
I
have
a
question
for
marta,
you
and
jennifer.
As
I
read
the
resolution
that
was
passed.
A
A
And
I'm
going
to
make
the
assumption
that
as
a
design
review
panel,
we
can't
we
can't
do
anything
other
than
to
enforce
the
law.
It's
something
it's
rare
that
something's,
this
specific,
it
doesn't
say,
doesn't
tie
it
into
the
percentage
of
reno
of
development
or
the
fact
that
say
this
building
is
only
x
percentage
of
the
street
frontage.
It's
very
prescriptive.
F
Is
there
anything
in
there
that
says
whether
it
is
for
new
construction
or
in
film
like
this
or
or
there's,
no
clarity
regarding
that.
B
School
this
is
cestly.
I
feel
like
that.
It's
limited
to
the
the
area
of
disturbance.
I
mean
they're,
sending
in
a
state
plan
with
a
limit
of
disturbance
noted
on
it.
They
shouldn't
be
required
if
they've
already
developed
a
previously
developed
site
plan
for
the
remainder
of
the
parcel.
There's.
No
other
laws
in
my
mind
that
I
know
of
that
would
require
you
to
go
back
and
install
lighting
or
anything
else
for
the
whole
site.
If
you
were
only
redeveloping
a
portion
of
it.
A
F
Hey
this
is
matt,
I
it
seems
a
bit
big
and
I
don't
feel
comfortable
trying
to
interpret
what
this
is
saying
in
terms
of
how
much
or
whether
it's
back
required
and
how
long
it
should
be.
It's
just
the
going
or
not.
It
seems
like
it's
a
bit
more
of
a
legal
matter,
and
that
sounds
like
the.
What
david
was
suggesting
is
that,
if
that
could
be
clarified,
do
they
need
to
come
back
to
the
panel?
I
would,
I
would
say:
no
if
it
turns
out
it's
required
and
they
have
to
do
it.
F
P
Way
or
the
other
yes,
my
yes,
my
secondary
request
request
would
be
that
if
the
law
is
clarified
that
we
not
have
to
come
back
to
the
design
review
panel,
my
obviously
my
first
request
was
that
it
it
shouldn't
apply
to
any
and
everything
that
comes
before
the
panel.
Let's
say:
there's
an
existing
building
and
someone
decides
to
paint
it
red
and
put
a
dunkin
donut
sign
on
it
instead
of
a
bank
sign.
Does
that
mean
that
the
entire
frontage
of
that
property
has
to
have
new
light
bulbs
installed?
P
That
would
seem
to
be
not
a
logical
follow-through
of
that
provision,
so
that
that's
my
first
statement
in
point,
but
yes,
my
secondary
request
would
be
that
we
not
have
to
return
if,
if
that
language
is
modified
in
the.
S
Future
jeff,
if
you're,
if
the
panel
is
inclined
to
follow
mr
karczyk's
argument,
I
would
ask
that
in
your
motion
that
you
include
some
explanation
as
to
how
you're
interpreting
that
so
it's
clear
to
us
and
to
the
public
how
you're,
addressing
that
new
part
of
the
resolution.
S
S
F
C
S
S
B
B
It
would
be
nonsensical
to
ask
them
to
reorient
all
building
entries
if
they
weren't
facing
the
road
in
the
original
development.
I
just
think
it's
in
my
mind,
it's
fairly
clear
that
it
should
be
linked
to
what
is
being
amended.
You
know
what
area
of
disturbance
is
that
that
con
that
booklet
above
should
apply.
Similarly,
but
again,
I'm
you
know,
I
think
it
may
go
back
to
legal.
B
B
R
A
B
A
M
M
It
appeared
that
the
rendering
shows
that
the
the
sidewalk
at
that
point
is
much
narrower
than
the
site
plan
and
I
think
it
should
be
as
wide
as
shows
on
the
site
plan.
I
mean
there
could
be
a
fair
number
of
folks
gathering
right
at
that
entrance,
so
I
would
want
to
clarify
that
and
then
it
appears
that
there's
a
small
pylon
located
at
the
entrance
is
there
some
story
to
that.
K
So
so
this
is,
this
is
joseph
youtube
pharaoh
again,
so
so,
mr
khan,
your
your
first
comment
as
it
relates
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
width,
the
this
new,
updated
site
plan
and
rendering
reflected
the
removal
of
the
parking
space
and
shifting
the
whole
thing
back.
So
I.
M
K
Okay
from
the
last.
K
B
If
I
may,
this
is
cecily,
I
think
the
discrepancy
may
be
between
an
old
rendering
on
the
cover
page
and
if
joseph,
if
you
can
verify
that
this
updated
site
plan,
the
illustrated
city
plan
is
the
most
current
and
is
supersedes
the
previous
rendering
shown
on
the
cover
page.
K
So
I
see
so
it
looks
like
a
site
plan,
colored
rendering
or
rather.
K
So
I
do
see
that
the
the
site
plan
is
the
most.
K
K
K
Jonathan
or
craig,
did
you
talk
about
that
project?
Thailand.
P
A
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
comments,
someone
like
to
make
a
motion.
B
F
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
if
the
law
should
be
changed,
the
applicant
does
not
need
to
come
back
to
drp.
A
F
A
I'm
good
okay,
not
hearing
any.
Let's
move
on
to
our
last
project
of
the
evening,
which
is
the
mixed
use
student
housing
project.
Let's
back
for
a
second
look.
G
T
Hear
me,
thank
you,
marta.
I
was
hitting
the
button,
but
it
wasn't
unmuting.
Okay,
thank
you
so
mark
did
you
want
to
introduce
the
project
tonight
or
did
you
want
me
to
just
take
it
away.
T
Okay,
well
I'll,
just
I'll
take
it
away,
so
we
can
get
started
and
move
through.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
tonight
I
wanted
to
coming
back
for
a
second
time.
E
U
Okay,
can
you
see
me?
U
Yes,
okay,
okay,
good
thanks
yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
we
put
a
lot
of
hard
work
into
revising
this
to
try
to
meet
the
panel's
concerns
and
I
think
we
did.
We
wanted
to
create
as
much
of
a
plaza
like
experience
as
we
could.
T
Okay,
all
right,
martin.
If
we
want
to
move
forward
a
few
pages
we
can,
we
can
go
to
page
number
four.
We
tried
to
come
in
and
provide
some
slides
that
exp.
That
visually
explained
our
our
answers
to
the
comments.
So,
as
you
can
see,
this
looks
very
different
than
what
we
had
before.
There's
a
similar
perimeter.
Exact
bed
count
350
beds,
but
we
really
tried
to
listen
and
through
with
good
comments.
T
I
think
has
turned
something
into
definitely
a
better
project,
and
so
we
can
start
with
a
plot
configuration
here
and
a
lot
of
discussion
had
happened
around
the
corners
in
the
active
corner,
and
so
what
we
really
looked
at
is
putting
them
the
main
entry
on
joppa
rotating
our
elevators
around
that
allowed
us
to
circulate
past
and
do
what
we
needed
to
do
up
in
the
building.
T
We
do.
We
now
have
a
main
entrance,
a
little
over
20
feet,
tall
at
joppa,
with
an
active,
green
and
live
wall
inside
the
building
with
a
nice
grand
stare
and
then
even
above
that
at
level
three
as
you'll
see
as
we
move
around
the
building.
T
That's
also
now
activating
the
street
edge,
and
so
we
have
people
at
multiple
levels,
level,
one
level
two
and
level
three
now
along
washington
where
in
japan,
and
so
that's
what
you're
seeing
here
for
number
one
number
two
at
the
where
washington
avenue
we
raised
up
the
soffits
there
as
well,
and
by
doing
this
we
moved
some
of
the
program,
leasing
and
certain
things
that
were
on
level
two
up
to
level
three,
which
allowed
us
to
maneuver
the
soffits
up
a
little
bit
and
we
rotated
the
mix
around
a
little
bit
to
get
our
our
bed
number
to
stay.
T
The
same.
You
can
see
here
how
we've
addressed
joppa
and
where.
T
T
For
the
downtown
open
space,
you'll
see
it
as
we
move
through
the
presentation.
T
T
T
The
outdoor
is
a
premium
these
days
and
I
think
that
will
continue,
and
so
we
really
tried
to
bring
in
some
different
experiences
around
the
sidewalk
giving
pedestrians
the
ability
to
move
but
also
giving
people
the
ability
to
pulse
thanks.
Please.
T
And
at
the
moment,
we're
at
seven
percent
right
at
seven
percent
on
our
open
space.
So
we've
got
thirteen
hundred
and
around
thirteen
hundred
thirty
eight
square
feet
of
the
nineteen
thousand
plus
gross
square
feet
site.
T
Okay,
and
so
this
is
studying
how
the
entrances
meet
the
sidewalk,
we
had
steps
and
we
had
different
elements
going
into
the
building
previously.
Now
all
the
entrances
are
on
the
sidewalk
level,
if
we're
changing
elevation,
we're
actually
changing
the
elevation
inside
the
building
now,
and
so
people
can
directly
go
into
the
buildings
and
they're
very,
quite
quite
a
bit
more
prominent
now.
T
T
T
I
guess
random
on
kind
of
this
very
end,
but
as
you
get
to
the
condos,
you
see
your
tree,
your
tree
beds
and
that
type
of
thing,
so
what
we
looked
at
is
trying
to
kind
of
match
more
of
the
the
public
zone
of
703
so
that
they
had
some
contiguous
visual
kind
of
at
this
terminus
of
washington,
because
we're
terminating
in
new
york
pretty
much
right
here
and
so
other
than
the
parking
garage
and
the
suntrust
across
the
street.
T
And
so
that's
what
you're
seeing
here
we
do
not
have
trees.
Only
for
the
fact
of
we
didn't
want
to
minimize
that
public
access
on
the
sidewalks,
but
those
are
easily
incorporated
into
this
into
this
program,
and
we
do
have
the
the
lights,
the
street
lights,
that
are
at
60
feet
and
would
be,
I
think,
they're
a
little
bit
over
now,
but
we'd
need
to
make
those
at
the
60
feet
max
on
the
center.
T
Okay
and
part
of
this
was
studying
the
overhangs
also
with
the
building
principles
and
materials.
We've
really
tried
to
have
nice
soffit
under
soffit
materials.
On
this
property
we
pushed
the
the
soffits
up
around
10
10
feet,
or
so
so
we're
looking
at
the
lowest
soffit
in
the
20-foot
range
now,
and
so
it's
more
of
a
hopefully
a
cloud-like
element
up
well.
Above
that's
not
really
in
that
visual
that
that
pedestrian,
visual
anymore.
T
We've
looked
at
the
window
patterns,
they
stayed
similar.
We
changed
some
of
the
massing
because
the
materiality
changed
we
lightened
up
the
building
to
try
to
you
know,
remove
the
heaviness
of
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
everything
around
us
is
bright
and
and
airy.
So
I
think
in
looking
we're
looking
at
a
metal
like
a
an
addis
or
pac-clad
type
metal
system
here,
and
so
it
allowed
us
to
kind
of
play
with
some
of
the
the
massings
a
little
bit.
T
We
still
have
the
triple
height
window
element,
look
and
then
some
punches
openings,
and
then
we
also
have
the
the
we
rotated,
the
the
landscape
deck
the
active
deck
on
the
roof
to
face
south,
so
that
we
could
maybe
do
some
up
lighting
and
things
like
that
and
get
more
pedestrians
on
that
end
for
better
views,
and
so
we
listen
there.
T
So
we
can,
we
can
start
to
go
with
number
nine,
the
location
of
the
site.
I
know
we've
kind
of
gone
through
a
lot
of
the
the
things
that
I
don't
think.
We
really
need
to
do
that
anymore.
T
But
I
would
like
to
go
to
the
just,
so
you
can
page
number
12
and
we
can
keep
going
from
there.
T
This
is
just
our
civil
plan.
I
think
they've
tried
to
a
little
more
clarity,
but
what
we
try
to
do
is
go
to
the
next
page.
Marta
is
start
blowing
this
up
and
see
the
elements
that
were
needed
and
and
requested
previously.
T
So
we
have
a
lot
of
different
dimensions
located.
You
do
have
to
zoom
in
to
see
here,
but
I
can
kind
of
go
through
and
explain
what
we've
what
we've
got
on
the
joppa?
T
Oh
sorry,
I'll
start
with
where,
from
the
from
the
curb
side
face
of
curve
to
the
building,
we're
at
14
plus
feet
now
from
the
back
of
planter,
we're
9.2
feet.
So
that's
the
lowest!
That's
the
lowest
sidewalk
width
there.
As
you
get
on
washington,
where
you
see
the
section
cut
b,
we're
at
the
8.9
feet
from
the
the
the
planter
bed
to
the
building
and
it
kind
of
slims
down
as
we
go
south,
but
overall
that
pedestrian
realm.
If
you
will
is
13.6
so
we're
trying
to
stay.
T
We've
expanded
that
greatly
from
previous
from
the
previous
scheme,
and
then
you
can
go
down
and
it
pinches
to
8.4.
But
then
it
expands
up
the
steps.
So
that
gives
us
a
nice
open,
airy.
T
T
And
then
we
keep
coming
down
to
the
joppa
corner
and
we
open
it
up
to
around
15
feet
to
the
main
corner,
with
the
doors
opening
south
and
trying
to
keep
around
12
foot
around
that
java
edge.
So
that's
where
most
everybody's
going
to
be
coming
from
from
on
foot
and
so
really
trying
to
open
that
up
and
this
can
be
occupied.
T
However,
management
would
want
to,
but
I
think
we've
I
think
we've
succeeded
in
really
trying
to
expand
this
as
much
as
possible
and
keep
a
program
working
from
level
three
up.
So
if
you'll
go
to
page
15,
please.
T
So
this
is
just
a
diagram
with
the
the
open
space
and
we're
showing
that
we
could
seat
responsibly
around
25
people
a
little
less
if
you
do
any
kind
of
social
distance.
But
you
know,
as
we
move
through
the
to
the
world
in
the
next
three
years,
when
this
would
open.
Who
knows
what
that
is,
but
that's
a
you
know,
that's
a,
I
think,
a
pretty
comfortable
number
and
would
be
you
know
great
for
students,
kids.
T
They
like
that
kind
of
element,
and
so-
and
so
nothing
else
really
has
been
modified
too
much
on
this
other
than
widening
the
sidewalks
and
providing
more
open
space.
E
T
T
I
don't
know:
what's
going
on
with
the
text
on
the
left,
what
I'm
looking
at
on
my
screen
looks
a
little
bit
different,
but
so
we
just
put
the
design
guidelines
the
lighting
design
guidelines
in
here
so
we're
trying
to
provide
you
know
on
the
street
just
the
normal,
towson
or
lighting,
but
then
up
top
we're
hoping
to
do
something
with
a
uplift
led
to
really
kind
of
you
know
from
from
distances
in
the
evening.
That
would
really
be
beautiful.
T
E
T
T
This
is
another
this
is
just
for
whomever
was
wanting
to
to
kind
of
see.
We
know
that
the
grades
change,
but
from
an
elevation
standpoint
of
buildings
and
kind
of
going
through
google
earth
to
kind
of
see
where
building
heights
were.
You
know,
we're
kind
of
you
know
right
there
in
the
middle
of
all
the
surrounding
buildings
that
are
that
are
closed.
The
townsend
university
runs
a
little
bit
further
down
new
york.
I
believe,
but
but
fairly
consistent
in
that
that.
E
T
So
these
are
some
sidewalk
sections
that
we
wanted
to
share.
You
can
go
to
the
open
space
plan
and
reference
where
each
one
of
these
are
by
just
showing
kind
of
the
depths
of
the
sidewalks
now
and
then
how
the
overhangs
relate
to
those
pedestrian
spaces,
but
then
also
showing
our
secondary
pedestrian.
I
say
pedestrian,
but
our
secondary
space
that
residence
and
people
will
be
inhabiting
a
level
above
at
level.
Three.
T
T
E
T
The
parking's
generally
the
same
here,
but
you
can
see
the
red
the
main
entry
now
off
of
joppa
road
and
then
a
grand
stair
coming
up
into
an
elevator
vestibule.
That
is
another
level,
is
the
next
level
above.
But
we
have
a
lot
of
our
bicycle
parking,
secured
gated
parking
area
here
next
and
then,
as
you
come
up
to
level
two,
you
come
to
the
elevator
space,
the
open
vestibule
and
the
the
male
and
probably
concierge.
T
I
would
assume,
is
here
and
then
you
have
your
other
entry
off
of
washington
for
the
cafe
and
kind
of
a
secondary
entry.
I
think
for
the
for
the
mail
and
concierge
and
then
again
we
discussed
having
parking
across
the
street
and
that
that
entrance
you
know
for
people
driving
would
still
be
coming
off
into
the
into
the
parking
deck
into
into
this
space
and
then
traversing
up
the
building.
From
that
point,.
E
T
So
this
is
level
three,
so
we've
got
our
community
here
now:
leasing
some
conference
space
outdoor
gathering
space,
so
there's
a
lot
more
outdoor,
green
opportunities
on
this
level,
our
store
mitigation,
all
of
that
still
intact.
If
not,
we
have,
I
believe
we
actually
have
a
little
bit
more
than
we
had.
T
So
one
of
the
comments
was
about
you
know
the
the
the
visual
and
kind
of
taking
the
eye
up
the
corner
of
the
joppa
corner,
and
so
we've
decided
to
do
is
kind
of
really
bring
those
active
spaces
from
the
entry
to
the
community
to
the
fitness
kind
of
all,
of
those
elements
are
at
that
corner,
instead
of
kind
of
tucking
them
back
and
so,
and
so
we
handled
kind
of
activity
in
the
first
four
floors,
and
then
we
went
more,
I
will
say
traditional,
but
we
just
went
more
repetitious
as
we
went
up
the
building
next,
please.
E
E
T
And
then
we've
got
our
level
16
here
now
with
the
the
outdoor
amenity
they
could
be
utilized
even
in
the
the
cold
weather
and
then
a
scout,
a
sky
lounge
small
type,
scotland
centralized
there.
So
I
think
the
views
are
more
more
appropriate
for
what
it
sounds.
Like
you
know,
in
this
zone
and
yeah.
E
E
T
So
the
elevations
would
get.
We
still
have
the
eaves
on
the
west
side
of
the
building,
but
we
we
have.
We've
changed
over
to
a
metal
panel,
a
gauged
metal,
aluminum
or
steel
panel
on
the
wear,
joppa
and
washington
faces
with
varying.
T
Colors
and
then
the
iron
spot
bricks
down
at
the
bottom,
with
a
darker
charcoal
storefront
or
curtain
wall.
E
T
We
have
integrated
the
use
in
our
in
our
shafts
just
looking
at
going
with
just
the
exposed
concrete,
and
so
that's
something
we're
gonna
there
that
we've
explored,
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
contrast
to
the
more
sleek
metals
to
go
with
that
kind
of
textured
concrete
here
and
then
some
glass
railings
on
level
three
and
everything
else
is
similar
to
the
north
elevation.
Next.
T
We're
looking
at
doing
a
planter
above
kind
of
a
joppa
entry
so
that
we
could
have
vines,
evergreen
kind
of
hanging
over
instead
of
doing
a
green
wall
type
element.
It
would
still
it
would
be
a
wall
element,
but
it's
coming
from
above
versus
going
up
and
if
you
wouldn't
mind
marta,
could
you
go
back
to
31
page
31,
please.
T
One
of
the
comments
that
we
have
is
talking
about
this.
This
wall
and
I
think
live
ball-
is
a
is
a
wall
type
that
we'd
want
to
look
at
for
this
element
here
and
work
in
concert
to
make
sure
it's
the
right
species
of
plants
and
things
for
this
climate.
But
that
would
be
the
thoughts.
T
T
Here
we
don't
have
as
much
for
you
know
the
overhangs
we've
brought
the
building
down
to
level
three
to
the
top
of
the
parking
on
the
left
side
to
get
our
units
to
work,
but
our
elevation,
our
building
heights,
are
very
consistent
with
where
we
were,
if
not
a
little
a
little
bit
lower,
actually
because
I'm
measuring
to
the
parapets
right
now
versus
the
roof
itself,
and
so
we're
a
little
bit
better
position
there.
T
And
so
we
can
go
through
the
renderings,
we
kind
of
looked
at
a
lot
of
the
renderings
in
the
previous.
So
if
you
want
to
look
at
it
and
next
page
in
all
context,
you
can
see
the
activity
up
to
level
four
and
then
we
move
to
our
units
and
then
we
top
it
with
activity
up
at
the
top.
T
We
looked
at.
We
looked
at
some
night
renderings
and
trying
to
work
through
that
and
that
I
think
we'll
want
to
work
with
the
lighting
designer
to
help
to
help
really
get
that
look,
but
but
that
is
the
that
is
the
goal
in
the
plan.
T
T
One
of
the
comments
was
about
the
corner,
diagonal
column
and
so
right
now
we're
looking.
We've
looked
at
this
in
a
couple
of
different
ways:
concrete
structure
totally
or
a
mix
there's
a
concrete
structure.
I
believe
that
we
can
cantilever
and
we've
got
about
a
anywhere
between
a
10
to
15
foot
cantilever.
T
I
haven't
gotten
with
a
structural
engineer
yet,
but
I
think
we
can
transfer
at
level
three
but
then
work
that
column
up
to
the
corner
as
we
go
out.
So
that's
still
working
to
try
to
get
that
column
out
of
the
pedestrian
area
as
best
as
best
we
can.
T
Next
very
similar
edge,
but
you
can
see
a
big
difference
on
the
street
presence
and
I
think
it
opens
up
well
and
we'll
be
very
active
all
the
time
and
one
thing
to
note:
this
corner
is
an
interesting
corner
because
right
across
the
street
is
just
the
entry
and
exit
for
the
parking
garage
for
703
and
so
there's.
T
No,
the
only
pedestrian
crossing
is
to
go
north
to
the
parking
garage
from
from
here,
so
people
will
really
be
crossing
over
and
joplin
up
to
get
to
here
or
they'll
be
coming
from
the
parking
deck,
because
otherwise
there's
nothing
at
the
end
of
york
to
really
come
from.
I
believe
other
than
you've
got
some
of
the
towson
university
down
down
the
street,
but
I
think
I
think
the
the
elevation
and
the
soffit
height
here
feels
a
lot
better
thanks.
T
E
E
T
You
can
this
is
a
good
good
way
of
seeing
kind
of
maybe
a
chandelier,
some
green
walls,
maybe
some
reclaimed
wood
walls
on
the
interior
would
be
nice,
I
think,
or
some
type
of
wood
interior
really
warm
that
entrance
and
area
up
next.
E
E
T
T
So
looking
at
the
site
plan,
one
of
the
comments
is
about
street
trees
and
and
the
and
the
planter
the
tree
wells
and
things.
We
have
three
feet
right
now
for
a
planter
itself,
but
it's
very
long.
T
We
have
room
to
expand
and
based
on
what
I'm
seeing
to
a
four
foot
that
looks
like
the
planter
beds,
are
eight
feet
maximum
and
that.
But
that
includes
the
one
foot
six
bands
on
either
side
of
that
planter,
leaving
a
four
foot
planting
bed,
and
so
we
can.
T
We
can
work
that
in
into
this
plan,
as
desired,
it's
just
the
balance
of
the
the
public
realm
and
this
and
the
sizes
of
the
sidewalks
and
the
encroachments
there.
So
I
think
it's
for
discussion
and
then
the
colors
of
the
pavers,
knowing
that
the
the
the
concrete
extends
typically
around
the
corners.
E
T
As
we
go
up
to
level
three,
you
can
see
the
the
green
planter
that
we've
got
on
the
south
end
over
at
joppa
outdoor
seating
and
we're
working
through
the
plantings.
It
would
all
be
native
and
appropriate
for
for
this
property
and
as
required.
E
T
Looking
at
the
rooftop
terrace
hoping
to
get
some
green
up
here,
probably
some
small
scale
elements
just
to
kind
of
soften
up.
The
skate,
maybe
make
it
active
with
some
pool
tables
a
grilling
station
fire
pit
looking
out
over
the
views
and
towards
baltimore.
E
T
T
And
so
for
the
materials
we're
looking
at
the
the
lower
level
that
I
forgot
to
mention
this
in
the
elevation.
Forgive
me
the
bands,
above
the
retail
and
there's
an
l,
there's
an
element
at
the
java
entry,
looking
at
doing
that
out
of
a
nice
cementitious
panel
and
and
inclusive
of
the
iron
spot,
brick
and
the
concrete.
So
that's
all
the
pedestrian
level
with
the
curtain
wall
and
then,
as
you
go
up,
you've
got
the
eaves
and
then
the
metal
panels
with
a
similar
pattern.
T
Next
and
similar
to
previous
a
lot
of
reverse
channel
backlit
signage,
some
cut,
aluminum
signage
and
we
have
all
of
our
sizes
and
the
studio
sign
is
the
is
the
largest.
Obviously,
that
would
be
on
our
vertical
on
our
stair.
T
Were-
and
that
is
the
extent
of
the
presentation-
I
hope
I
didn't
take
too
long,
but
I
think
there
was
a
lot
to
go
through
and
to
kind
of
address
from
our
previous
and
love
to
hear
your
comments
and
see
see
where
we
go
from
here.
A
D
U
D
Okay,
thank
you
and,
if
you're
ready,
please
before
yours,.
V
V
D
V
Great,
so
I'll
I'll
continue
that
so
the
gta
provided
written
comments
that
I'm
going
to
summarize
here.
We
appreciate
that
the
designer
made
many
changes.
V
Unfortunately,
the
building,
a
building
in
the
public
right-of-way
and
disregarding
the
setbacks
that
define
the
public
realm
established
by
the
adjacent
buildings
was,
in
our
opinion,
a
fatal
flaw
that
has
not
been
overcome.
This
building
is
just
too
big
for
the
lot.
We
prepared
a
diagram
that
illustrates
the
extent
of
the
encroachment
of
this
building
into
the
public
right-of-way,
both
at
the
ground
level
and
the
cantilevered
13
or
12
stories,
above
depending
on
where
you
consider
the
cantilever
to
begin
this,
overly
aggressive
use
of
the
site.
V
It
from
our
point
of
view,
makes
it
impossible
to
plant
street
trees,
as
required
by
the
planning
department
and
their
final
comments.
Most
of
the
streetscape
cannot
accommodate
the
recommended
tree
pit
size
of
six
foot
wide,
plus
16
inches
of
brick
banding
from
the
edge
of
the
curb,
even
with
a
less
than
ideal
tree
pit.
A
mature
tree
would
then
conflict
with
the
cantilever
of
the
building,
beginning
at
the
third
or
fourth
floor.
V
V
V
V
Now
I'm
questioning
whether
that's
second
or
third,
but
depends
on
which
street
you're
at
I
guess,
would
it
enliven
the
public
realm,
but
they're
too
narrow
to
be
usable
along
the
washington
avenue
facade
and
unfortunately,
now,
when
you
step
back,
the
building
looks
a
bit
like
a
jenga
tower,
really
top-heavy
and
in
danger
of
toppling
over
on
its
eroded
base.
V
V
U
This
is
mark
manzo.
Can
I
make
a
comment
just
just
a
note
that
at
the
concept
plan
hearing,
the
dw
did
not
have
issues
with
the
right-of-way
encroachment
and
also
the
his
recommendations
are
not
binding
to
the.
A
Okay
beth.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
detail
and
thorough
presentation.
As
it's
typical
marta,
do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
do
the
staff
report.
D
D
So
two
questions
are,
can
you
confirm
there
is
no
vest
facing
signs
and
another
question
is
what
about
the
rooftop
lighting
specifically?
Can
you
confirm
this
is
not
going
to
shine
to
the
vest.
U
Yes,
the
rooftop
lighting
will
not
shine
to
the
west,
we'll
use
shades
like
they
do
for
street
lights,
so
they
don't
go
in
certain
directions
and
the
other
question
about
the
signage
there's
no
signage
to
the
west
was
that
was
that
the
question
I
couldn't
understand.
D
So
the
question
was:
can
you
confirm
there
is
no
west
facing
signs.
U
Yes,
yes,
as
you
can
see
on
this
signage
detail,
there
is
a
location
plan
and
there
are
no
signs
facing
west
because
I
promise
what
thousand
there
would
not.
U
D
A
Okay,
well,
marta.
At
this
point,
once
we
begin
your
presentation,
you
know
we're
gonna
go
right
into
the
board's
comments
and
questions
for
the
panel
or
for
the
presenter.
D
Okay,
so
our
staff
report
is
based
on
the
again
baltimore
county
zoning
regulations
of
the
project's
conformance
with
the
regulations,
as
said
for
in
bill
number
49-16,
that
downtown
thousand
overlay
district
and
the
follow
and
the
conditions
from
the
previous
meeting.
D
So
I
will
start
be
listed
all
of
the
conditions
in
our
staff
report
and
I
would
like
to
start
from
environmental
system
sustainability
recommendation
staff
recommends
approval
of
environmental
sustainability
subject
to
the
following
conditions,
provides
three
trees
along
washington
and
square
avenues.
D
The
trees
should
be
placed
from
30
to
50
feet
on
center,
provide
a
list
of
all
proposed
plants
for
terraces
the
rooftop
and
for
the
street
level
native
plants
should
be
used
and
we
attached
recommended
cheerless
provide
details
for
the
rooftop
screens
areas
and,
as
shown
on
pages,
39
and
60
provide
details
for
the
proposed
green
walls.
In
regards
to
the
block
configuration
inside
design.
D
We
have
one.
We
recommend
the
pro
staff
recommends,
approval
and.
D
We
have
one
condition
clearly
shown
on
the
plan
label
and
show
and
label
on
the
plan.
All
pedestrian
and
vehicle
entrances
to
the
building
in
regards
to
the
parking
staff
recommends
approval
in
regards
to
downtown
open
states,
staff
recommends
the
following
conditions
clearly
indicate
the
total
open
space
provided
for
this
development
meets
the
gt
thousand
thousand
past
and
space
requirement.
D
Second
condition
provide
bike,
racks
on
the
street
level
and
condition
provide
sections
with
dimensions,
to
show
that
the
2000
requirements
are
met,
repair
paving
edge
along
the
carbs
16
inches
in
width,
decorative
street
lighting
60
feet
on
center
and
set
sheets
33
bits
are
constructed
per
gt
standards
in
regards
to
building
principles.
D
Architecture
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
architecture
subject
to
the
following
condition:
clearly:
label
dimensions
of
the
overhangs
on
the
plan
in
regards
to
building
materials
staff
recommends
approvals
of
the
proposed
materials
in
regards
to
liking
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
lighting
and
staff
also
recognize
approval
of
the
proposed
signs.
That's
it
from
staff
report.
A
A
Thank
you,
marta
matt,
I'm
going
to
go
with
you
first
on
this,
since
you
went
first,
the
last
time
and
you're
very
detailed.
F
Okay,
I'd
be
happy
to
go
first,
make
sure
my
microphone
is
on.
I
think.
C
F
Is
right?
Yes,
so
I
I
I
think
you
guys
have
done
a
really
good
job
of
addressing
the
comments
that
we
made
last
time.
I
think
it
is
much
improved.
F
I
know
it
is
an
aggressive
program
and
it's
a
small
site,
but
I
also
know
that
in
downtown
towson
the
goal
is
to
attract
investment,
to
create
a
more
urban-like
downtown
and
the
guidelines
are
written
to
have
flexibility
to
allow
challenging
sites
like
this
to
be
developed.
But
I
also
know
the
public
realm
is
incredibly
important.
The
streetscape's
important
comfort
you
know
for
humans
on
the
street,
pedestrian
cyclists.
F
I
feel
like
you've
done
a
really
good
made
some
some
good
changes
that
addressed
some
of
our
comments.
So
I
I
think,
I'm
I'm
pleased
with
the
changes
that
you've
made.
What
I
want
to
do
is
walk
through
some
of
the
walk
through
the
criteria,
the
downtown
towson
criteria,
one
by
one,
the
same
way
that
marta
did.
I
have
a
few
questions
just
in
terms
of
sustainability,
I'm
assuming
it's
still
you're
still
committed
to
being
lead
silver,
correct.
U
F
Okay,
good,
that's
good
to
hear
so
I
think
it's
pretty
easy
for
an
urban
project
like
this
to
do
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
it's
an
important
part
of
sustainability
in
terms
of
block
configuration.
I
know,
there's
been
some
questions
about
the
building
encouraging
into
the
right
of
way.
F
Looking
at
your
engineering
plans
civil
plans,
it
looks
as
though
you're
you're
building
to
the
right
of
way
to
your
property
line
and
that
there
is
a
area
identified
as
potential
widening
of
the
road
or
something
like
that.
But
my
understanding
is
that's
not
part
of
the
right-of-way,
so
you're,
in
fact
not
encroaching
into
the
right
of
way.
U
F
F
Let's
see,
oh,
the
in
terms
of
block
configuration
yeah
the
way
you've
addressed
the
corners
and
the
entrance
now
and
java
road,
I
think,
is
much
improved.
Both
corners
are
much
improved
by
raising
the
terraces
and
the
second
and
third
floors
I
feel
like
the
streetscape
is,
is
much
less
crowded.
I
think
that's
a
great
improvement
in
terms
of
block
configuration
there
is.
It
does
look
like
on
where
you
are.
You
have
one
on
street
parking
space,
which
is
forcing
the
sidewalk
to
come
down
to
four
feet
wide
which
is
kind
of
narrow.
U
F
Okay,
yeah,
the
four
foot
sidewalk
is
a
little
a
little
tight
there.
We'll
come
back
to
that.
Maybe
some
other
panel
members
will
have
some
comments
about
that.
The
previous
design
had
a
different
strategy
for
the
overhead
door
facing
jaffa.
It
wasn't
as
exposed.
I
had
planting
in
front
of
them.
I
can't
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
you
know
why
that's
changed.
Is
there
be
nice?
If
that
not
the
garage
door,
but
the
overhead
door?
I
guess
that's
going
into
the
generator
room.
F
T
F
T
T
T
Door
that
would
be
a
louver,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
get
those
the
louvers.
You
need
a
separation,
because
you
can't
ventilate
out
directly
exhaust
out,
especially
directly
out
to
a
sidewalk,
so
we'd
have
to
figure
out
where
that
exhaust
is,
I
think
it's
10
feet,
or
so
above
right,
right
over
would
be
nice,
even
if
it
was
like
bicycle
parking
or
something
of
that
nature.
I.
F
Think
what
you
did
in
the
last
game,
even
if
it
was
only
18,
inches
or
two
feet,
you
had
room
for
some
planting,
some
green
in
front
of
it.
So
if
we
could,
I
mean
that
helps
soften
it,
a
little
bit
too
sure
parking.
I
had
no
comments,
downtown
open
space
and
streetscape.
It
looks
as
though
you've
exceeded
the
five
percent
open
space.
So
that's
good.
I
do
know
in
the
downtown
guidelines
they
do.
F
F
It
looks
as
though
to
me,
you've
raised
the
building
enough
that
we
might
not
be
able
to
look
at
very
large
trees,
but
I
think
you
could
get
some
smaller
trees
or
sort
of
an
upright
tree.
I
think
that's
something
that
it
might
be
hard
on
joppa,
but
it
looks
like
on
on
washington.
You
might
be
able
to
get
two
or
three
trees
and
maybe
unwear,
maybe
one
or
two
trees.
F
I
do
agree
with
the
comments
the
county
made
about
the
tree
planter
details.
The
planter
details,
the
16
inch
banding
looks
like
you're,
providing
all
of
that.
The
plant
list
for
all
plant
materials
trees
from
the
suggested
downtown
tree
list
plant
details
for
everything,
including
the
terraces
and
the
green
wall,
and
details
for
that.
I
think
something
I
think
is
important
to
have.
F
I
had
a
question
about
the
grand
stairs.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
and
wondering,
if
are
they
generally
a
six
inch
riser
and
a
12
inch
tread?
Is
that
more
or
less
what
what's.
T
Probably
look
at
my
bottle
yeah,
it
would
be
and
we
would
have.
We
would
figure
it
out
to
where,
because
we're
going
to
start
up
at
the
grade
kind
of
at
the
north
east
there
and
figure
out
how
it
gets
us
up
to
that
level.
Three
right.
So
I
believe
it's
like
seven
or
six
and
a
half
or
something
like
that
is.
F
F
My
thinking
is,
maybe
they
don't
literally
have
to
look
like
steps.
You
know
six
and
a
half
by
11
or
10
or
whatever
it
is.
Maybe
they
can
vary.
Maybe
some
of
them
are
six
or
seven.
Maybe
some
of
them
are
12
or
18..
Maybe
some
of
the
treads
are
12.
Maybe
some
are
18
or
24,
so
it
starts
looking
a
little
more
sculptural
different
places
to
sit,
maybe
you're
walking
it
could
tie
into
the
planters.
F
It
might
even
allow
you
to
pull
it
back
a
little
bit
more
from
the
curb,
maybe
not
all
of
it.
Maybe
it
actually
varies.
You
know
play
it,
has
a
little
bit
of
playfulness
to
it.
The
way
it
engages
the
streetscape
and
by
doing
that,
it
might
make
it
more
sculptural,
more
interesting,
less
feeling
like
a
set
of
stairs
that
are
going
to
nowhere,
but
also
if
we
can
widen
the
sidewalk
there,
you
might
be
able
to
get
some
room
to
create
a
planter
for
a.
T
Tree
or
so
well,
that's
what
we
were
trying
to
incorporate
the
blocks
that
you
see
in
that
stair
start
incorporating
some
elements
that
you
can
sit
on.
Maybe
some
have
turf
on
them
that
fold
down
the
front
and
so
you've
got
some
green
on
the
top
and
down
it
might
not
be
planted
green.
But
you
know
something
not
a
big
maintenance
issue,
but
it
has
a
different
texture.
Different
fill
it's
tangible,
so.
F
I
like
that,
I
think
if
they
felt
less
like
stairs
to
nowhere
and
more
like
sort
of
steps,
sort
of
seeding
sort
of
empathy
receiving
sort
of
planters
and
it
had
a
little
more
sculptural
feel
to
it.
It
might
might
feel
better
and,
like
I
said,
if
that
allows
you
to
pull
it
back
a
little
bit
or
in
some
areas
to
get
room
for
a
tree,
that'd
be
nice
too.
F
Let's
see,
I
agree,
there
should
be
bike
racks.
I
think
now
that
you've
widened
the
sidewalks.
There
should
be
room
for
that.
I
know
you're
providing
them.
I
think
what
about
100
on
the
inside
of
the
building,
so
they're
undercover
they're,
safe,
they're,
secure?
I
think
that's
smart,
but
maybe
you
know
a
minimal
amount
of
bike.
Racks
on
the
outside
would
be
nice.
F
C
F
Right,
it's
the
only
material
in
the
building
that
I
think
is
pretty
important
in
terms
of
how
it
contributes
to
the
public
realm,
in
addition
to
the
other
materials,
and
it's
not
labeled,
so
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
it
was
labeled
sort
of
understood
what
it
was
and
there's
clarity
to
that.
I
agree
about
the
street
lights
type
color
spacing
material
fixture.
I
think
the
standard
is
green.
F
Your
renderings
might
show
them,
as
black
green
just
happens,
to
be
what
the
streetscape
standard
is
in
towson
and
what
everyone
else
is
doing.
I
I
think
that's
correct.
You'd
have
to
check
the
standards
yeah.
T
F
If
it,
it
helps
to
put
some
labels
on
here.
So
it's
clear
that
we're
not
shining
to
the
west
we're
not
projecting
into
the
night
sky
that
you
won't
be
able
to
control
the
lighting
having
some
labeling
on
the
on
the
drawings
would
be
nice.
And
although
I
like
the
present
images,
I
think
it
should
be
clear
what
sort
of
colors
and
look
you're
going
after.
F
I,
I
think
simple,
is
better.
I
think
that's
what
you
said.
So
maybe
you
could
just
be
clear
in
terms
of
what
your,
what
your
strategy
is
there?
That's
it.
I
think
simple,
simple,
you
know
white,
you
know
white
light
amber
light
as
opposed
to
lots
of
crazy
colors.
That's
just
my
personal
opinion
and
clarify
that.
A
Matt,
thank
you
for
your
extreme
thoroughness.
Next,
we'll
go
to
joe.
K
Hi
good
evening,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
to
the
team.
Thank
you
for
listening.
Clearly,
I
agree
that
this
application
has
made
significant
improvements.
So
so
thank
you
for
that.
K
I
I
do
like
how
you
carried
the
brick
pattern
from
the
flats
over
to
the
two
corners
here.
So
you
know
I
like
that,
and-
and
I
do
agree
with
matt's
comments
about
that
and
staircase.
K
Perhaps
you
know
changing
the
the
the
height
and
creating
some
new
experiences
in
there,
but
that's
that's
really.
All
I
had
so
matt
hit
a
few,
but
overall
it's
a
great
improvement.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
J
I
do
have
a
couple
and
a
couple
questions
and
a
couple
of
comments,
so
I
will
also
reiterate
that
matt
said
about
the
steps.
I
think
they
have
a
really
valuable
engaging
component
to
the
exterior
experience.
I
would
absolutely
look
at
the
differentiating
the
width
and
the
materials
and
further
explore
that
with
regards
to
some
of
the
exterior
materials
and
color,
I
like
I
like
how
the
palette
and
the
color
palette
of
the
exterior
materials
have
been
modified.
J
I
think
it's
a
more
sophisticated
color
palette
and
would
ask
that,
as
this
is
taken
to
a
different
level,
that
with
the
roof
lines
and
the
exterior
materials
that
they
talk
to
the
interior
materials
when
they
pass
through
the
glass,
especially
on
the
floor,
one
through
one
through
three
and
then
to
the
degree
that
you
can
capture
that
on
the
fitness
center
area,
just
you
know,
make
sure
they
talk
to
each
other,
because
they'll
experience
those
spaces
as
both
an
internal
and
an
external
space.
J
I
think
they
should
talk
to
each
other,
not
be
jarringly
different
and
then
a
question
on
the
lighting
palette.
I
actually
have
the
presentation
up
in
another
window
here,
but
are
you
actually
are
you
proposing
color
on
page?
T
We
do
just
some
canned
type
lights,
nothing
too
extreme,
because
there's
gonna
be
some
flight.
You
know
from
these
interior
spaces
coming
to
washington
and
so
and
to
your
point
I
think,
if
you're
contiguous
with
your
materiality
and
your
intent
from
inside
the
outside,
that
will
help
that
inside
light
will
help
so
they'll
obviously
be
emergency
lighting
and
entry
lights
and
things
like
that
and
then
you've
got
the
little
canopy
that
you
see
here
kind
of
over
that
little
studious
cafe
just
simple,
simple
lighting.
T
I
don't
think
anything
too,
too
dramatic.
There's
a
lot
going
on
here
already,
so
I
don't
know
that
you
want
to
muddy
it
up
too
much
so.
J
I
agreed
so
if
I'm
looking
at
page
16,
so
as
a
comment
on
page
16,
you've
got
a
colorful
set
of
soffit
lighting
that
points
to
the
underside
of
the
second
floor
on
the
java
roadside.
So
I
would
just
that's.
T
J
J
A
Thank
you
kelly
donald.
M
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question.
Does
the
upper
part
of
the
building
the
third
floor
or
higher
extend
over
the
existing
property
line.
L
T
M
I
guess
sort
of
pros
and
cons.
I
think
that
the
opening
up
the
lower
floors
has
been
successful
in
terms
of
the
streetscape,
but
I
still
I'm
just
not
comfortable
with
the
fact
that
the
precedent
that
this
is
sitting
for-
and
there
are
a
number
of
properties
that
will
be
developed-
that
are
not-
that
are
surface
parking
lots
now
that
we
sort
of
abandon
the
the
sort
of
scale
of
the
streets
that
occurs
around
this
building
and
really
throughout
towson.
E
O
I
was
trying
to
speak
yes,
so
the
the
right-of-way
line
we've
talked
with
baltimore
county
about
the
right-of-way
line
and
the
building
overhang,
and
I
I
think
we're
going
to
have
the
the
area
that
overhangs
will
be
in
a
county,
sidewalk
easement.
So
it
won't
actually
be
the
right-of-way
line,
waiting
to
hear
back
from
the
county
on
that.
O
A
O
O
F
F
F
F
U
U
M
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
This
is
cecily.
I
will
I'm
going
to
emphasize
a
few
things
that
matt
and
others
stated
as
well
as
ask
a
few
additional
questions
and
maybe
add
a
comment
or
two
so
on
ware
avenue
the
sidewalk
does
neck
down
to,
I
think,
is
maybe
4.4
feet
and
that's
inadequate
for
pedestrian
passage.
B
The
fact
that
west
towson
wants
additional,
you
know
as
much
parking
as
possible.
I
don't
think
that
trumps
a
usable
public
realm
for
pedestrians,
so
I
would
strongly
advocate
for
removing
that
parking
space
and
increasing
the
sidewalk
dimension
to
be
a
minimum
of
six
feet
clear
on
all
sides
of
the
building
to
allow
for
adequate
pedestrian
passage.
B
The
next
point
is
the
the
bike
exterior
bike
parking,
and
I
think
I
understood
from
the
presentation
that
the
interior
garage
parking
was
secured
and
maybe
just
for
building
residents,
so
I
think
that
makes
it
even
more
necessary
that
there
be
some
exterior,
publicly
accessible
bike
parking.
I
think
that
could
parallel
the
the
planters
or
modified
somewhere
along
the
building
face,
you
know
to
be
determined
by
design,
but
not
again,
impeding
that
six
foot,
minimum
pedestrian,
clear
zone
for
proper
pedestrian
passage,
the
lighting
of
the
fin,
the
roof
element.
B
I
would
echo
what
I
think
kelly
and
matt
said.
Is
that
more
subtle?
B
B
They
use
the
color
up
on
the
the
top
of
the
building
and
it
is
dynamic,
but
it
may
not
be
as
appropriate
for
a
residential
building,
and
I
would
you
know
again
to
not
set
precedent
and
have
the
competition
of
of
changing
kind
of
lights.
That
should
be
on
more
civic
buildings
or
have
more
prominence
that
a
residential
building
take
a
more
subtle
approach
to
the
lighting
and
also
that
it
be
respectful,
not
just
the
west
direction,
but
that
it
protects
the
night
sky
environment.
B
So,
while
you're
shielding
to
the
west
I'd
like
to
also
ask
that
there's
not
up
lighting
that
affects
the
night
sky,
the
again
echoing
the
stairs
to
nowhere,
I
think
that
could
be
more
successful
as
as
a
re,
I
actually
thought
there
was
an
an
entrance
there
until
matt
brought
that
up.
So
I
think
using
that
as
amphitheater
seating,
rather
than
as
a
set
of
stairs
be
successful.
B
The
the
one
thing
I
have
a
question
on
is
the
concrete
element
of
the
facade.
I
will
state
here
that
the
the
facades,
as
well
as
the
the
sidewalks
other
than
what
I've
commented
on
thus
far
have
been
drastically
improved.
So
thank
you
for
again,
thank
you
for
listening.
Thank
you
for
streamlining
the
materials
and
being
more
consistent,
especially
along
the
street
frontage.
To
have
those
materials
in
color
be
consistent
in
material.
B
T
T
You
know
product
I
mean
you
could
go
textured
with
form
liner.
You
can
do
pretty
much
anything
with
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
that's
kind
of
really
the
direction
we
would
want
to
go.
I
think
keeping
it
simple
here
would
be
nice.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that.
Yes,
I
would
advocate
for
that,
that
it'd
be
the
simple
formwork
and
to
express
the
the
truth
of
that
material
rather
than
trying
to
apply,
especially
on
such
a
tall
element
consistently
anything
that
was
additive
to
the
process.
B
Keep
it
simple,
so
the
you
know,
as
mentioned,
I
think,
on
the
other
reviews
that
storm
water
management
itself
is
reviewed
by
others,
but
we
do
comment
on
the
design
and
the
intention,
as
it
relates
to
environmental
and
expression
and
design
as
it
expresses
itself
in
design.
So
to
that
note,
can
you
talk
through
what
your,
how
you're
dealing
with
the
maryland
regulations
in
terms
of
stormwater
and
how
that
affects
the
design?
Are
you
using
cisterns
internally
or
any
of
the
planters
accommodating
stormwater
management?
How
is
that
approach.
U
U
Actually,
I
think
the
civil
engineers
should
probably
answer
that,
but
we
have
a
full
set
of
approvals
that
we
could
show
you
follow
up
to
that.
If
you'd
like
yes,.
O
I
think
stuart
stewart
darley
is
on
the
line.
Stuart.
Are
you
there
stuart
hello?
Did
anybody
hear
me.
O
U
It
was,
it
was
awesome,
it
was
all
satisfied
on
the
deck
we
can.
We
can
send
you
that
the
approvals
but
yeah
they
said
that
actually,
that
would
I'm
pretty
sure
would.
F
B
G
B
Okay,
so
it's
in
process,
and
that
will
be
it's
on
the
right
track
for
that.
Okay,
the
last
comment
is
a
very
minor
one.
Above
the
studious
signage,
there
is
a
starburst.
B
Is
that
also
a
metal
backlit
halo
lit?
And
what
do
you
see
of
that?
Do
you
think
that's
something
that
will
be
maintained
or
is
that
something
extraneous
that
could
potentially
go
away.
T
I
think
it's
backlash
like
like
the
studios
would
be
mark.
What
are
your
thoughts
on
the
being
there?
Not
being
there.
U
Yeah,
you
don't
like
it
cecily.
B
U
U
B
U
Yeah
yeah
the
shooting
star
on
the
exposed,
concrete
yeah
we
could.
We
could
get
rid
of
that.
I
kind
of
liked
it,
but
if
it's
a
problem
we'll
get
rid
of
it.
B
Only
to
me,
okay,
that's
the
extent
of
my
comments.
I
think
everyone
else
covered
the
the
vast
majority
of
them.
Thank
you.
A
Cecily,
thank
you
well
due
to
the
thoroughness
of
everyone's
comments.
I
don't
have
anything
specific
to
add
to
what
has
been
said.
I
think
one
of
the
most
important
things
I've
seen
through
the
course
tonight.
We
do
have
some.
A
What
I'll
call,
depending
on
what
the
motion
is
in
terms
of
the
overall
building
concept,
we
do
have
some
material
selections,
some
issues
with
lighting
some
issues
with
some
landscaping
that
still
need
more
definition.
A
So
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
consider
as
a
board,
as
as
we
make
motions
how
we
want
to
handle
those
items.
I
know
myself
while
I'm
clear
about
the
finishes
in
terms
of
what
I
see
for
a
building
of
this
magnitude,
actually
seeing
samples,
I
think,
are
probably
going
to
be
needed.
You
know
users
using
as
an
example
the
issue
cecily
brought
up
regarding
the
finish
of
the
concrete,
because
there.
A
So
with
that
matt,
I'm
going
to
throw
this
on
you
to
make
the
motion,
since
you
had
the
most
thorough
things
you
went
through,
and
I
know
last
time
you
kept
really
good
notes
on
that
and
then,
if
need
be,
we'll
have
people
amend
them
and
add
to
them
things
that
might
be
missed.
Are
you
okay,
with
that.
A
A
We've
already
been
at
this
for
over
three
hours,
so
go
ahead.
Martin.
D
Okay,
just
two
questions
from
resident
from
thousand
scott
hall.
So,
if
levels
three
through
16
overhang,
the
sidewalk,
how
can
developer
claim
his?
He
is
not
encroaching
on
right
of
way,
and
next
question
is
what
is
the
total
distance
from
carp
edge
on
east
side
of
washington
avenue
to
the
eastern
edge
of
the
proposed
building
on
washington
avenue.
G
That
is
correct,
and
the
issue
with
the
overhang
is
something
that
is
addressed
through
the
agency
review
in
not
in
planning
it
has
to
do
with
another
reviewing
agency,
which,
as
mr
manzo
said
previously,
that
agency
had
no
comment
and
are
agreeable
to
doing
some
sort
of
franchise
agreement
for
the.
T
That,
if
y'all
go
to
the
section
cuts
on
page.
A
D
T
D
T
T
T
E
G
F
F
You
know
notes
and
labels
on
their
plans
in
terms
of
materials,
colors
products
and
the
only
other
than
that
you
know
the
plant
list
is
pretty
detailed,
but
I
think
we're
pretty
clear.
You
know
using
trees
from
the
towson
tree
list
using
native
plants
addressing
plant
materials
everywhere,
including
the
green
wall
and
the
terraces.
B
Hey
matt
this
and
panel,
this
is,
I
would
concur.
I
feel
like
there
certainly
should
be
some
clarifications
on
the
drawings
to
make
sure
that
the
soffit
material
is
labeled.
The
concrete
is
labeled
appropriately
just
some
of
the
other
comments
that
we've
addressed
just
make
sure
the
submission
is
buttoned
up,
but
I
don't
know
that
I
would
need
to
see
this
back.
I
think
they
actually
have
quite
a
bit
of
detail,
pressing
images
labels
other
than
those
few
cases
noted
that
this
could
go
through
staff
for
review.
A
Yeah
and
what
I
was
thinking
with
in
terms
of
materials,
if
they
could
get
give
us
some
actual
photos
of
the
products
they
were
using
as
opposed
to
images
from
other
buildings,
and
if
they
could,
you
know,
email
that
to
staff
and
she
can
make
it
available
us
to
review
to
see
if
we
had
any
issues
or
if
they
had
issues
that
they
thought
were
fuzzy
they
could
be
laying
out
the
panel
just
to
confirm.
A
I
agree
with
both
of
your
comments
using
something
like
the
texture,
because
it's
such
an
important
element,
a
good
image
of
account
from
a
concrete
system
you
know,
would
satisfy
me.
I
don't.
I
agree.
I
don't
think
they
need
to
come
back
if
we
approve
the.
F
So
anyone
else
you
want
me
to
any
other
panel
members
have
any
thoughts
on
that.
Want
me
to
just
make
a
motion.
K
F
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
and
lana
I'm
following
the
downtown
towson
guidelines
criteria,
one
by
one,
but
I
might
have
put
some
things
in
different
categories
than
you
did,
but
I'm
hopefully
that
I'm
going
to
cover
everything
in
terms
of
sustainability.
F
U
F
So
you
should
be
able
to
make
that
work
include
planting
in
front
of
the
generator
louvers
or
a
similar
approach
that
minimizes.
The
visual
presence
of
the
lures.
F
Parking,
I
have
no
comments:
downtown
open
space
label,
how
you,
how
you've
accommodated
the
five
percent
open
space,
provide
street
trees
at
30
to
50
feet
on
center
per
the
downtown
guidelines
in
the
towson
amenity
space
standards
label
and
provide
details
for
the
tree
planters,
the
brick
banding
detail
and
the
16
16
inch
banding
along
the
curb,
provide
a
detailed
plant
list
to
indicate
trees
from
the
towson
treeless
and
all
plant
material,
including
the
green
walls.
The
terraces
the
streetscape
use
native
plants
provide
a
detail
for
the
green
wall.
F
F
F
F
C
G
So
and
that
that
light
is
typically
installed
within
the
brick
band
and
that's
how
the
conduit
is
run
for
those
lights.
C
G
F
A
With
that,
I
don't
believe
you
have
any
other
business
this
evening,
jennifer
unless
you
have
anything
you
want
to
mention,
I
will
go
ahead
and
adjourn
the
meeting.