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A
Preservation
commission
at
601
pm
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
meeting
of
the
baltimore
county
landmarks
preservation
commission
is
now
in
session.
Please
note
the
meeting
is
being
audio
recorded.
My
name
is
john
holman.
Chair
of
the
commission.
I
will
be
running
tonight's
meeting.
A
We
are
your
volunteer
representatives
appointed
by
our
county
council
person
or
county
executive
and
entrusted
to
monitor,
renovations
and
additions
to
our
baltimore
county
historic
resources.
We
review
and
approve
nominations
to
the
baltimore
county.
Preliminary
landmarks
lists
and
comment
on
national
register
nominations.
A
Additionally,
we
are
charged
with
evaluating
submissions
to
the
baltimore
county,
historic
tax
credit
program
that
encourages
the
appropriate
maintenance
and
renovation
of
designated
historic
properties
with
the
commissioners.
Please
introduce
introduce
themselves
by
name
and
county
council
district
or
representation.
A
A
I
Vince
johnson
executive,
I'm
sorry,
executive
appointment.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
The
landmarks
preservation
commission
operates
under
the
authority
standards
and
requirements
of
title
vii,
article
32
of
the
baltimore
county
code.
We
refer
to
the
united
states,
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
as
administered
by
the
national
park
service.
A
We
have
important
preservation
issues
to
discuss
and
debate
at
each
meeting.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments,
please
limit
your
comments
to
the
specific
application
or
proposal
submission
being
reviewed.
We
ask
for
your
assistance
and
understanding
so
that
the
discussions
do
not
digress
as
an
additional
comment.
We
can
all
agree
that
historic
preservation
is
an
important
aspect
of
the
quality
of
life
and
place
that
makes
baltimore
county
unique.
A
As
a
commission,
we
seek
to
recommend
significant
buildings
and
places
for
landmark
consideration
to
the
county
council
for
their
final
vote.
As
commissioners,
we
serve
on
the
commission
due
to
our
expertise,
interests
and
passion
for
historic
buildings
and
places
and
review
submissions
based
solely
on
their
merit.
A
While
we
may
disagree
in
discussion
and
voting,
we
continue
to
be
a
collegial
body
that
respects
each
other
personally
and
professionally,
and
with
that
all
said,
because
I
know
we
have
some
visitors
tonight,
we
generally
ask
that
comments
be
limited
to
under
three
minutes
and
please
name
and
relate
tell
us
your
name
and
relationship
to
the
property
and
also,
please
remember,
to
limit
your
comments
to
new
information.
That's
not
already
in
the
submission.
G
Just
a
couple
of
staff
reminders
for
offering
comments
when
you're
on
an
agenda
item
to
let
the
staff
know
that
you
would
like
to
address
the
commission,
you
can
either
select
the
hand
raise
icon,
which
is
next
to
your
name,
or
you
can
send
a
chat
and
select
host
it'll.
Send
it
directly
to
me,
or
if
you
have
any
questions
you
don't
want
to
speak,
you
can
write
it
in
there.
G
Also
the
for
lpc
review.
All
the
commissioners
receive
all
the
meeting
materials
one
week
prior
to
the
meeting,
so
they
can
review
them
prior.
The
information.
That's
in
this
presentation
is
just
an
overview
overview
and
summary
of
the
cases
being
reviewed
more
like
a
visual,
a
visual
aid
to
help
keep
the
meeting
moving
and
organized.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
minutes
everybody's
had
a
chance
to
review
the
minutes.
It's
our
motion
to
approve
them
or
to
amend
them.
A
F
K
A
Thank
you,
scott.
All
in
favor,
we
can
do
by
voice
vote.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
It's
we
have
identified
as
consent,
agendas,
numbers
6,
8,
10
and
13.,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
the
staff.
L
K
M
Good
evening,
agenda
item
number
six
for
the
monologue:
llc
property
located
at
209
central
avenue
in
glendon.
This
is
a
contributing
property
in
the
glendon
county,
historic
district
myth
number
2210
and
the
applicant
has
proposed
a.
M
Second,
is:
agenda:
item
number:
eight
russell
property
located
at
3333,
west
seminary
avenue,
county
council
district
number
three:
this
is
a
contributing
property
in
the
lutherville
county,
historic
district
and
the
applicant
proposes
to
replace
six
vinyl
windows
on
a
two-story
bay
window
located
in
a
non-historic
rear
edition,
with
four
foot
four
over
four
wood
windows
to
match
the
rest
of
the
home
staff
recommends
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
proposed
citing
baltimore
county
historic
guidelines,
windows
and
doors
pages.
Two
through
six
county
council,
I'm
sorry
county
code,
section,
327,
405.,.
M
M
M
And
lastly,
we
have
agenda
item
number
13,
the
hereford
high
school
barn,
the
board
of
education
of
baltimore
county
property
located
at
17301
york,
road
in
parkton,
county
council
district
number.
Three.
This
is
a
final
landmark
of
number
132,
the
hereford
high
school
barn
and
the
owners
would
like
to
replace
the
metal
roof,
siding,
make
trim,
repairs,
lighting,
installation,
structural
support,
installation
and
door.
Repairs
and
staff
recommends
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
as
proposed
citing
baltimore
county
code,
section
327403,
historic
guidelines,
facade
materials.
G
A
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
okay
and
thank
you
jessica.
So
we
can
vote
to
approve
all
these
consent.
Age
item
items
at
once
or
if
the
commission
would
prefer
that
any
item
b
was
removed
from
the
consent
agenda.
We
can
look
at
it
more
detail
as
we
go
through
the
meeting,
so
I
would
ask
for
a
motion
to
approve
them
all
or
to
slice
one
or
two
off
if
they
choose
to.
B
A
second
I'd
like
to
actually
pull
one
out
action
item
number
eight
number.
C
A
Okay,
will
you
accept
an
amendment
to
your
motion
chris
that
we
approve
all
except
item
eight.
A
And
is
there
a
second
for
that
motion
second,
and
can
we
do
a
roll
call
vote?
Please
jessica.
D
F
C
A
G
All
right
so
tonight
for
our
first
item
up
for
discussion
and
vote
is
oak
ribbon
setting.
This
is
a
landmark
nomination.
G
So
this
is
a
home
nomination.
So
again
it
was.
It
was
submitted
by
the
property
owner
under
the
following
criteria
for
baltimore
county
landmarks
criteria,
one
which
is
association
with
an
important
person
group
event
or
serves
events
of
historical
importance
and
criteria.
Two.
This
is
a
distinctive
example
of
a
particular
architectural
style
period,
so
the
nomination
was
submitted
for
criteria,
one
for
the
association
with
peter
hawes,
a
local
landowner
and
his
contributions
to
the
development
of
cake
and
zone.
G
It's
association
with
the
developments
of
the
project,
turnpike
village
of
catonsville,
and
then
for
criteria.
Two,
it's
an
example
of
a
second
empire
and
queen
and
style
of
architecture,
and
just
to
note
for
everyone
attending.
So
when
you
receive
landmark
nomination
staff
conducts
additional
research
outside
of
what
is
submitted
in
the
nomination.
G
And
we
we
do
this
in
order
to
determine
the
significance
and
historical
integrity
of
the
nominated
property
and
review
it
against
the
justifications
presented
in
the
submitted
nomination
form.
And
then,
when
we
evaluate
the
property
we
apply
and
when
we
apply
the
landmark
criteria.
The
staff
and
commission
utilize,
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
or
the
secretary
of
interior's
publication
how
to
apply
the
national
register
criteria
for
evaluation,
which
is
outlined
in
the
lpc's
historic
guidelines
and
regulations
which
are
available
on
lpc's
website.
G
All
right,
so
oak
grove
is
a
historic
property
located
on
the
north
side
of
frederick
road
about
a
mile
west
of
downtown
kingsville.
The
location
of
the
property
along
frederick
road
has
a
historical
association
with
the
development
of
the
national
road
with
kate
and
with
catonsville.
Currently,
the
eight
tenths
of
an
acre
lot
is
improved
with
a
three-story
house
that
exhibits
queen
anne
and
second
empire
characteristics.
G
It
was
constructed
during
catonsville
early
catonsville's
early
development
as
a
stopping
point
along
the
newly
formed
frederick
turnpike
and
the
early
beginnings
of
catonsville's
era,
or
early
beginnings
of
catonsville
becoming
a
summer
home
community
in
1886.
Under
the
ownership
of
samuel
d
helfrich,
the
house
was
extensively
renovated
to
reflect
the
modern,
victorian
architectural
styles
that
were
popular
during
the
late
19th
century
and
reflected
on
numerous
homes
constructed
throughout
kingsville
at
the
scene.
During
the
same
time,
alfred's
modern,
victorian
upgrades.
G
The
house
coincided
with
the
high
point
of
stevensville's
summer
home
era,
from
18
from
the
1880s
to
18,
for
about
1900.
These
renovations
resulted
in
its
visual
appearance
of
the
house.
We
see
today
into
the
20th
century.
The
property
and
surrounding
area
follow
the
same
development
patterns
as
other
summer
communities
in
the
state
and
country
that
were
improved
where
improved
transportation
and
social
changes
caused
larger
states
to
be
subdivided
transitioning
to
year-round
communities.
G
The
property
today
continues
to
be
a
residential
property,
so
the
period
after
my
research,
the
period
of
significance
for
the
property
dates
to
the
late
1880s
after
the
renovations,
which
resulted
in
a
structure's
current
appearance
to
about
the
1940s
on
the
property
and
the
current
property
size
was
established.
G
The
village
of
catonsville
was
founded
in
early
19th
century,
along
for
the
frederick
turnpike
in
1805.
In
order
to
facilitate
commerce
with
a
rapper
with
the
rapidly
grand
western
regions
maryland
state
legislator
legislature
authorized
the
development
of
the
baltimore
and
frederick
town
turnpike
road.
G
The
baltimore
company
began
in
the
1730s
and
the
company's
land
holdings
increased
dramatically,
making
it
the
largest
landowner
landowner
in
southern
baltimore
county
in
1764,
with
30
000
acres
and
they
operated
several
iron
furnaces.
G
The
area
that
is
known
as
captain
seville
was
once
part
of
those
land
holdings
of
the
baltimore
company,
charles
carroll
of
carrollton.
Some
of
one
of
the
original
partners
of
the
baltimore
company
received
land
on
the
north
side
of
the
project,
turnpike
in
1810
carroll
gifted
land
to
his
son-in-law,
richard
canton,
which
is
kingsville's
namesake
and
was
commissioned
to
develop
the
land
for
sea
divide
and
proceeded
to
divide
the
property
into
20
lots
conveyed
as
leasehold
estates.
G
G
G
In
1829
monroe
defaulted
on
his
mortgage
and
the
property
was
still
at
auction.
It
was
advertised
in
the
baltimore
american
in
september
of
1829.
The
advertisement
mentioned
the
valuable
stone
tavern
located
between
the
7th
and
8th
mile
marker
on
the
frederick
turnpike
thomas
tennant
was
the
highest
bidder
of
paying
3
200
for
the
46
acre
lot
and
then
in
1834.
G
G
He
eventually
built
a
band
saw
mill
which
provided
timbers
for
the
construction
of
many
catonsville
buildings
and
homes
during
this
time
by
the
1930s.
I'm
sorry
by
the
1830s
and
1840s
catonsville
was
already
a
popular
stopping
point
along
the
turnpike.
As
a
result,
tyrants
and
other
travel
related
businesses
start
to
flourish
in
the
area.
In
addition,
stores
and
shops
sprang
up
that
catered
to
the
local
farmers
and
residents
in
the
surrounding
areas.
G
G
G
The
property
shows
up
for
the
first
time
in
the
1850s
sydney
atlas,
although
it
has
a
different
spelling
of
the
cause
as
haws.
The
map
also
shows
the
location
of
his
sawmill
on
the
south
side.
G
The
exact
date
of
construction
of
oak
grove
isn't
certain.
However,
it
was
assumed
that
the
house
was
built
sometime
after
1834
as
his
family
residence.
An
advertisement
of
in
may
of
1840
paz,
is
searching
for
a
teacher
and
asks
interested
parties
to
apply
to
peter
hawes
on
the
frederick,
turnpike
seven
and
a
half
miles
from
baltimore.
G
So
this
helps
us
conclude
that
the
house
is
most
likely
constructed
before
1840
and
after
1834
when
he
acquired
the
property
later
records
from
a
family
lawsuit
indicate
what
the
house
that
the
house
is
construction
of
stone
had
two
stories
of
the
hip
root.
In
addition
that
had
a
frame
a
dining
kitchen
ring
that
was
added
after
the
house
was
constructed.
G
G
1876
atlas
also
shows
us
the
house's
footprint
and
the
location
of
the
tavern
1810,
which
is
presently
1810,
frederick
road
and
it
borrowed
an
additional
structure.
Census
records
listed
peter
hall's
farmer
in
1850,
and
there
are
several
newspaper
nurses
that
refer
to
stolen
horses
at
reference
and
referenced
peter
haas's
farm
on
the
frederick
turnpike
mrs
hawes
died
in
1876.
G
G
G
We
had
a
frame,
dining
a
kitchen
wing
and
a
barn.
G
They
improved
transportation
and
subsequently
higher
property
values
created
this
image
of
catonsville
as
an
elite
suburb
development.
During
this
time
sought
to
capitalize
on
this
image
and
how
do
people
show
off
that
they
have
money
through
the
architecture
of
their
homes
which
they
wanted
to
reflect.
The
modern
architecture,
architectural
styles
of
the
time
and
this
ushered
in
a
new
period
of
growth,
making
the
1880s
really
the
takeoff
years
for
a
new
heating
bill.
G
On
april
26
1886
the
entire
property
was
conveyed
to
samuel
d
halfridge
and
remained
in
that
family
until
around
1846,
so
samuel
halfridge
was
born
in
1845
and
his
father
had
established
the
george
health
rich
and
sons,
lumber
yard
in
1862
and
had
become
the
largest
younger
lumber
yard.
The
baltimore
area
for
many.
N
G
So
the
house,
under
helfrich's
occupation,
underwent
extensive,
exterior
alterations
to
bring
the
house
up
to
modern
late
19th
century
standards,
as
shown
in
the
older
photographs
on
the
screen,
the
altar
the
alterations
provided.
The
eclectic
victorian
style,
which
gave
oak
grove
its
present
appearance.
G
The
original
two-story
stone
dwelling
was
raised
to
three
stories
under
our
mansard
roof,
which
is
one
of
the
most
common
characteristics
of
the
empire
style
for
time
in
the
middle
of
the
19th
century.
What
set
the
pace
of
architectural
tastes
for
well-killed?
Americans
was
not
some
ideal
of
ancient
past,
but
all
things
vote
in
france
during
the
regime
of
louis
napoleon
napoleon
or
the
second
or
the
era
called
the
french
second
empire.
G
Even
after
the
franco-prussian
war
ended
in
1871
a
second
empire
style
buildings
continued
to
ride
high
on
the
tide
of
huge,
newly
minted
post-civil
war,
fortunes
that
were
amply
equipped
to
handle
these
extravagantly
decorative
houses.
The
second
empire
style
with
its
ubiquitous
manslaughter
roofs
and
heavy
ornament,
remains
the
first
choice
of
wealthy
home
builders
and
their
architects,
because
it
was
in
their
eyes
not
only
thoroughly
modern
but
also
fashionably
flashy
and
what
was
a
very
flashy
era.
G
G
J
G
G
G
The
house
was
said
to
be
in
very
core
poor
condition
at
the
time
was
extensively
repaired
by
the
clarks.
The
clerks
made
some
interior
changes
to
keep
the
house
in
use,
such
as
adding
additional
bathrooms
in
a
separate
apartment
for
grand
grandfather
clark
and
in
1949
katie
halfridge
sold
the
house
at
1810,
frederick
road,
the
former
tavern
tenant
house
to
ruxton
and
mabel
patterson,
and
it
was
no
longer
part
of
the
entire
property
associated
with
oak
grove.
The
clerks
remain
in
the
house
until
they
sold
it
in
1966
to
the
carbo
family.
G
I
also
just
want
to
know
catonsville
during
the
first
half
of
the
20th
century,
experienced
rapid
expansion
and
by
1940
it
had
transformed
from
a
rural
village,
to
a
modern
suburb
of
baltimore,
with
a
population
of
21
221
residents
with
about
5
000
households
and
by
the
end
of
world
war
ii.
It
triggered
an
unprecedented
population
explosion
which
happened
throughout
the
baltimore
region.
G
And
after
the
1940s,
the
majority
of
the
original
land
holdings
were
parceled
off
and
sold
into
smaller
lots
which
brought
new
waves
of
development
construction
that
catered
to
the
middle
classes.
This
practice
happened
to
oat
grows
property
during
the
early
part
of
the
20th
century.
When
health
friends
started
to
sell
off
parts
of
larger
parts
of
the
property.
G
So
then,
by
the
time
in
1966,
the
carbo
family
purchased
the
property
of
the
property.
A
lot
listed
at
its
presence
size
of
an
eight
tenths
of
an
acre
lot
crop
was
on
the
property,
and
so
they
sold
it
to
the
president
of
owners
in
1890
and
sorry
1987.
G
The
current
owners
made
a
series
of
interior
exterior
improvements
to
the
home
over
the
last
few
decades
and
some
of
the
more
notable
noticeable
changes
on
the
exterior
where
they
rebuilt
the
front
porch
railings
to
match
the
original
porch
designs.
They
covered
up
the
sucker-covered
stone
of
the
knee
block
and
would
sign
it
with
vinyl
side
siding
to
assist
with
maintenance
costs.
G
So
after
reviewing
the
submitted
nomination
and
conducting
additional
research,
staff
has
determined
that
oak
grove
and
its
setting
is
eligible
for
baltimore
county
landmarks
list
under
the
submitted
justifications
for
criteria
one
and
for
criteria.
Two,
even
though
this
structure
has
historic
association
with
peter
hawson
associated
with
association
with
the
development
along
the
national
road,
both
contributed
to
the
growth
and
development
of
kittens
in
the
surrounding
area.
G
The
house
and
study
has
been
altered
since
I've
lived
there
and
no
longer
has
an
integrity
to
convey
those
associations
with
the
early
development
still
and
to
development
of
the
turnpike.
So
the
present
house
and
setting
are
more
associated
with
samuel
health
and
development
during
its
summer
home
era.
The
expansive
victorian
renovations
done
by
health
when
hellfridge
owned
the
property
for
a
clear,
clearly
a
reflection
of
king's
image
as
an
elite
suburb
during
the
late
19th
century.
Lumping
oak
grove
in
with
all
the
other
victorian
dwellings
in
the
air.
G
The
house
and
setting
have
been
altered
some
of
the
years,
but
still
retain
integrity
of
design
location,
setting
enough
to
convey
those
associations
to
the
late
19th
century
victorian
summer,
community
summer,
home
era.
In
kingsville,
overall,
the
present
setting
of
the
property,
the
house
still
retains
in
its
original
location
and
written
regional
orientation
on
the
property.
Although
the
house
has
lost
some
exterior
material
integrity
with
the
cover
and
the
stone.
L
G
G
Mansard,
roof
and
corner
tower
are
major
character,
defining
features
that
are
associated
with
second
empire
and
queen
and
style
architecture,
and
since
the
current
visual
appearance
of
the
house
is
associated
with
the
major
alterations
on
main
under
health
rich's
ownership,
the
period
is
significant
to
the
house
of
the
from
1886
around
1949,
rather
than
rather
than
that
of
the
property's
construction
date
sas
recommendation.
The
vote
plays
the
probe
and
setting
on
winning
landmarks
list
under
criteria
run
or
its
association,
with
the
development
team's
old
gardens
summer
home
era
and
for
criteria.
A
Thank
you,
caitlyn,
we'll
give
you
a
minute
to
catch
your
breath,
but
thank
you
for
that.
Are
there
any
questions
for
her
any
additional
information
that
the
commissioner
would
like
to
ask,
and
is
there
anybody
who
wants
to
speak
for
or
against
this
with
us
today.
G
G
A
E
I
have
a
question
this
is
phoebe,
so
could
are
there
other
examples
on
the
baltimore
county,
landmarks
listing
or
national
registry
in
the
kind
of
catonsville
general
area
of
the
kind
of
summer?
You
know
grand
summer
home
era.
Yes,.
G
So
kaytonsville
itself
has
like
three
different
historic
districts:
one
for
old
canesville,
one
for
when
it
transitions
to
more
of
a
community
commuter
community
and
then
there's
an
african-american
district
as
well
on
it.
So
there
is
yeah.
There
is
a
lot
and
there
are
also
several
individually
listed
properties
that
are
on
the
national
register.
E
And
are
any
of
the
the
other
homes
in
the
kind
of
general
catonsville
area?
Examples
of
the
you
know,
kind
of
queen
anne's,
second
empire
style.
Yes,
there's
a.
J
Operation,
it
was
a
two-story
italian
structure
and
it
was
raised
to
three
stories
under
a
massage
roof
which.
B
I
have
a
question:
how
does
the
proximity
of
this
house
is
in
the
middle
between
two
others
that
are
landmarks,
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
what
is
the
status
of
the
setting
of
this
particular
house
and
how
and
whether
there's
consideration
about
now
that
all
three
form
kind
of
a
continuum
of
of
historic
properties?
B
G
Well,
so
only
one
of
the
previously
landmark
properties
is
associated
with
oak
grove,
which
is
the
tavern
which
is
at
1810,
frederick
road,
the
other
property
which
is
on
the
other
side
that
was
built
in
the
20th
early
20th
century
and
is
not
associated
at
all,
with
the
property
other
than
being
built
on
land
that
was
formerly
owned
by
them.
It
was
the
catonsville
historical
society
at
one
point,
but
it's
privately
owned
now,
but
there
isn't
it,
and
so
it's
separate.
G
You
know
that
one
was
nominated
for
its
architecture
and
I
believe
the
tavern
was
not
was
or
was
landmarked
for
its
association
with
the
development
of
the
national
road.
But
there
isn't.
A
G
A
B
Right,
my
my
I
guess,
because
the
frontage
of
the
nearby
of
the
tavern
is
very
different
from
from
this
house
and
when
we're
considering
this
house
as
not
just
the
house
itself
by
the
but
the
setting
as
well.
I
I
would
just
like
to
I
understand
when
we're
protecting
the
setting.
B
What
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
what's
already
there,
like?
I
don't
fully
understand,
what's
already
there
in
terms
of
setting
that
is,
is
going
to
become
protected
and
how
that
relates
to
only
one,
the
the
tavern.
I
I'm
misunderstood
that
the
other
one
was
also
protected.
I
didn't
realize
that
it
was
not.
G
So
before
2006,
when
we
had
a
nomination
to
come
in,
it
was
just
for
the
structure
and
then
we
came
into
issues
where
larger
properties
were
getting
subdivided.
So
you
have
a
historic
house,
that's
surrounded
by
a
new
suburb
or
subdivision
versus
like
not
giving
it
a
buffer.
So
now
for
any
landmark
nomination
that
comes
in
usually
when
it's
a
smaller
lot,
it's
the
entire,
so
the
entire
parcel
is,
is
protected.
So
we
review
everything
because
it
was
someone
who
doesn't
so
the
other
two
properties
that
are
landmarks
next
to
it.
G
They
don't
have
a
set
historic
setting
delineated,
so
they
can
put
a
fence
in
they
could
build
a
garage
and
it
doesn't
have
to
come
into
lpc
review
so
that
so
anything
that
has
a
historic
setting.
G
So
that
means
anything
like
on
the
site
would
come
in,
so
that
kind
of
helps
with
doing
similar
to
like
our
historic
districts
or
anything
like
this
is
constructed
and
on
on
the
site
or
on
the
property,
comes
in
for
review,
just
sort
of
a
way
to
make
sure
that
anything
that
is
introduced
is
you
know
appropriately
located
that
sort
of
thing.
So
that's
really
we're
not
really
talking
about
like
the
historic
setting.
G
Historically,
when
I,
when
I
referred
to
that
in
my
presentation,
I
just
meant
that
this
setting,
like
it
used
to
be
46
acres
and
now
it's
smaller.
G
D
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
setting.
How
is
the
whole
lot
being
yes
countered
as
a
setting?
Yes,
that
they
own?
Okay.
Thank
you.
F
So
I
would
move
that
we
accept
the
nomination
to
include
the
oak
grove
building
on
the
I
guess
on
the
landmarks
list.
You.
D
A
Thank
you
wendy,
and
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call
vote.
I
think
jessica.
H
F
F
A
M
That's
me:
okay,
thank
you.
So
agenda
item
number
five
paradise
place
at
sudbrook,
assisted
living
property
located
at
16
at
600,
suck
brook
road
in
sudbrook
park,
county
council
district
number
two.
This
is
a
contributing
property
in
the
sudbrook
park,
county,
historic
district,
myth
number
3040
and
the
property
owners
are
seeking
exposed
facto
approval
for
the
installation
of
a
3
800
square
foot
paved
parking
lot
after
staff
was
contacted
by
community
members
and
subsequently
a
correction
notice
was
issued
in
june.
2022
no
permit
was
filed
for
the
greeting.
M
The
new
asphalt
parking
lot
is
located
to
the
rear
of
the
property
and
is
accessed
from
carysbrook
road.
The
new
lot
expands
the
previously
existing
gravel
driveway
and
parking
area
and
extends
up
to
the
carriage
house
which
the
lpc
approved
plans
for
its
rehab
in
july.
2020
and
staff
approved
plans
in
an
emergency
review
after
a
tree
fell
on
the
structure
in
november
of
2020..
M
The
previous
slot
and
driveway
can
be
seen
in
google
street
view,
image
that
was
included
in
your
materials
packet.
The
new
lot
contains
eight
regular
parking
spaces
and
two
handicapped
spaces
that
will
be
painted
and
identified
with
signage.
In
addition,
concrete
or
plastic
crib
stoppers
will
be
installed
at
the
head
of
each
space
from
the
google
street
view.
M
The
previous
lot
began
at
carys
brook
road
and
was
located
in
and
terminated
at
a
concentration
of
three
large
deciduous
trees,
pines
and
flowering
shrubs
images
from
june
2022
indicate
that
the
vegetation
has
been
removed,
updated
site
plans
from
june
22nd
2022
show
the
expanded
parking
lot
that
will
meet
the
existing
brick
walkway,
leading
to
the
main
house.
Staff
has
concerns
over
the
parking
lot's,
close
proximity
to
the
carriage
house
and
the
impacts
to
the
future
work
to
the
carriage
house.
The
lot
location
should
have
been
cited
away
from
the
carriage
house.
M
Staff
recommends
that
a
proper
landscape
plan
be
submitted
that
provides
more
details.
The
current
site
plan
does
not
show
the
previously
existing
conditions,
nor
does
it
show
the
walkway
from
the
parking
lot
to
the
house.
In
addition,
no
information
was
provided
in
the
application
about
the
zoning
requirements
for
parking
associated
with
small
scale
alf
a
copy
of
the
alf
permit
application
from
august
2021
was
submitted
with
application,
yet
it
doesn't
provide
any
details
if
the
parking
meets
zoning-
and
there
is
no
record
of
the
alf
permit
being
issued.
M
Staff
recommends
that
the
applicant
address
the
necessary
zoning
requirements
with
the
office
of
zoning
and
returns
to
the
lpc,
with
a
proper
landscape
plan
or
more
detailed
site
plan.
So
staff
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
notice
to
proceed
for
the
parking
lot
as
completed
citing
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
landscapes,
county
code,
section
327405,.
M
G
We
do
have
the
appropriate
property
owners
online
and
some
property
reps,
so
miss
johnson
or
miss
dr
pry.
If
you
would
like
to
address
the
commission
or
add
anything,
you
guys
are
unmuted.
O
Yeah
miss
johnson
is
here
good
afternoon
everyone
when
we
were
doing
the
when
we
started
the
project
for
600
swamp.
Look,
we
had
to
do
the
architectural
drawing
and
we
also
went
to
zoning
and
they
also
helped
us
to
do
the
drawing
of
the
parking
lot
and
we
sent
it
through
for
approval
for
the
building
permit.
O
So
there
was,
I
guess,
in
the
prior
picture,
there
was
an
existing
parking
lot
in
there
prior,
but
it
was
it
wasn't
in
good
condition.
O
I
think
it's
been
there
for
years,
but
when
we
purchased
the
property,
the
parking
lot
was
not
good
at
all,
but
when
we
were
drew
during
the
building
permits,
we
were
asking
a
lot
of
questions
and
guidance
from
the
zoning,
so
they
guided
us
to
the
amount
of
numbers
in
regards
to
the
amount
of
bed
that
is
going
to
be
certified
for
the
building
as
alf.
O
We
have
not.
We
have
not
applied
for
the
al
alf
application
because
the
building
it's
not
completed
so
we're
just
waiting.
It's
been
a
two
year
long
process,
just
doing
everything
that
we've
been
guided
to
do
with
the
parking
lot.
When
we
did
it,
it
was
submitted,
it
was
approved,
so
I
think
it
was
maybe
some
miscommunication
in
guidance,
because
it's
part
of
the
the
one
that
we
submitted.
O
It's
part
of
the
original
drawing
for
the
building
permits,
the
carriage
house
was
approved
to
be
re-I,
guess
renovated,
but
it
it
became
an
issue
of
safety,
just
tried
to
renovate
it.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
got
approval
from
the
engineer
to
you
know,
bring
it
down
and
redo
it
exactly
the
way
it
looks
now.
O
So
when
we
started
the
work
on
the
parking
lot,
we
were
just
trying
to
do
what
was
advised
by
the.
O
By
the
zoning
and
by
the
part,
by
the
permits
that
we
got
for
the
for
the
building
permits,
so
we
are
there,
we
are
in
the
committee
to
do
the
right
thing.
We're
there
to
do
whatever
it's
needed
to
do.
We've
been
getting
a
lot
of
guidance
from
caitlin
and
we've
been
getting
a
lot
of
guidance
from
taylor,
and
we
will
continue
to
get
a
guideline
to
do
the
right
thing.
We
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
We
don't
want
to
do
something
that
is
not
needed
to
be
done.
L
A
Thank
you,
I
think
we're
starting
to
repeat
some
of
the
information
and
before
we
get
too
far
down
that
path,
there
is,
let
me
just
clarify
a
couple
of
things.
There
has
not
been
an
approval
from
this
group
or
anybody
else
that
we're
aware
of
to
take
down
the
carriage
house
and
rebuild
it.
A
O
A
You
you
need
to
have
approval
for
the
for
the
parking
lot
as
part
of
the
zoning
has
as
well.
Are
you?
Are
you
working
with
an
architect
or
a
land?
Planner
man?
Yes,.
A
I
suggest
you
go
back
to
your
architect,
depending
on
what
the
commission
votes
on,
but
and
suggests
to
them
that
they
need
to
clarify
with
zoning
some
of
these
issues.
But
let's
pause
our
conversation
for
a
minute
and
let
me
give
the
commissioners
an
opportunity
for
any
questions
or
whether
they
want
to.
We.
G
I
just
wanted
to
determine
we.
We
did
have
some
submitted
testimony
from
the
public
and
it
was
quite
a
few
people.
So
I
I
instead
of
reading
all
of
their
testimony.
I
just
wanted
to
say
their
names
see.
I
know
you
all
got
it.
G
It
was
all
sent
to
you
before
the
meeting,
so
we
all
had
a
chance
to
read
it
and
a
lot
of
the
letters
were
very
repetitive
and
so
there's
no
need
to
go
over
each
several
ones,
but
a
lot
of
people
stated
the
visual
appearance.
No
buffers
were
landscaping.
G
No
storm
water
image,
sort
of
not
going
through
the
proper
permits
process
for
graining
permits,
which
includes
stormwater
management,
concerns
about
the
location
of
it
near
the
carriage
house,
appearance
of
making
it
look
like
commercial
property
versus
residential
property
and
just
concerns
over
some
unlicensed
workers.
G
So
we
did
have
letters
submitted
by
marine
and
stephen
shaw:
agnes
zika
kuns
apologize
for
the
mispronounced
pronunciation
of
that
fronda
otterheimer,
ottenheimer,
rake,
rubenstein,
john
mccarthy,
dean,
russell
denise
watkins.
G
We
did
have
two
letters
of
support
from
wendy
sunderland
and
james
carn
carnes,
and
then,
additionally,
we
have
one
member
from
the
public
who
raised
their
hand
that
would
like
to
address
the
commission
again
cheryl
herb,
I'm
gonna
unmute
you,
I'm
gonna,
put
up
a
timer
for
three
minutes
just
so
you
can
see
on
the
screen
to
keep
you.
G
On
check
so
all
right,
cheryl
you're,
unneeded.
P
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
I
don't
think
I'm
unvideoed,
but
that's
okay.
So
while
they've
done
a
great
job
on
this
house,
as
you
guys
have
read
the
letters
and
stuff
from
the
community,
they
were
very
aware
from
the
beginning
that
they
every
little
thing
on
that
exterior
needed
to
be
have
a
permit
for
and
had
to
be
approved.
I
was
one
of
the
first
people
that
ever
spoke
to
them
when
they
first
purchased
that
property-
and
everyone
has
made
that
very
clear.
P
Also,
I'm
not
sure
whether
you
addressed
you
didn't
it
didn't
sound
like
it
was
addressed,
but
also
part
of
the
concern
other
than
the
parking
lot
is
now
the
widening
of
the
of
the
path
in
front
of
the
house,
because
it
now
throws
off
the
look
of
the
front
of
the
house
and
they
moved
a
permanent
brick
walkway
wall
that
had
been
there.
You
know,
since
the
construction
of
the
house,
they
moved
that
over
as
well.
P
You
know
just
to
kind
of
make
an
assemblance
of
uniformality
in
the
front
of
the
house,
but
it
just
throws
everything
off
and
again.
That
was
from
the
original
house,
and
you
can't
just
up
and
move
that
you
know
over
like
that.
So,
while
the
house
looks
great
the
concerns,
especially
from
the
shawls,
I
mean
they've
been,
you
know
besides
themselves,
because
there's
no
mitigation
between
that
parking
lot
and
the
curb
it
goes
right
up
to
it.
P
There
nothing
can
be
done
with
a
storm
runoff
as
if
they
would
have
put
gravel
or
some
other
impervious
material.
It
would
have
been
not
as
stark,
in
contrast,
that
would
have
allowed
for
better
drainage
things
like
that
as
it
is
now,
it's
going
to
run
right
into
that
street
and
cause
more
issues
so
yeah
the
community.
The
majority
of
them
is
not
happy,
and
I
don't
even
know
if
at
this
point
the
way
it
is,
it
can
be
even
addressed
with
landscaping.
P
Previously,
I
think
you
guys
had
some
old
pictures,
but
if
you
really
look
at
the
old
pictures,
they
had
right
just
past
the
dumpster.
There
was
some
gravel
and
then
a
gorgeous
brick
pathway,
parking
that
type
of
thing
up
there
and
the
dumpster
used
to
be
farther
up
up
where
the
red,
brick
part
pathway,
is
kind
of.
Just
behind
that,
there's
a
you
know
a
wide
brick.
P
I
think
it
was
a
herringbone
pattern
and
if
they
would
have
done
something
with
more
in
the
characteristic
of
the
house,
I
think
it
would
have
been
more
readily
acceptable,
but
when
you
know,
I
think
it
was
the
kind
of
final
straw
when
the
trees
were
taken
down
by
an
unlicensed
contractor
and
they
fell
and
damaged
the
carriage
house
almost
beyond
repair.
I
think
kind
of
that
was
the
last
straw
for
the
neighborhood
so
yeah.
We
just
hope
you
take
all
that
into
consideration
and
a
lot
of
people
are
asking
for.
P
You
know
everything
to
be
relooked
and
if
it
has
to
be
taken
up,
then
it
has
to
be
taken
up
and
redone.
I
think
dean
rondell
submitted
some
proposals
for
how
it
should
be
versus
how
it
currently
is.
So
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
G
We
have
two
more
hands,
but
I
just
want
to
address
the
so
if
you
can,
please
keep
your
comments
to
new
comments,
the
ones
that
haven't
been
addressed,
so
we
don't
go
under
any
repetitious
testimony.
So,
first,
I'm
going
to
unmute,
t
randall
and
then
it'll
be
wendy
sunderland.
Q
My
name's
dean
rondell
and
I
am
president
of
the
sunbrook
park,
inc
neighborhood
association
board
and
I
am
a
I
am
a
landscape
architect
practiced
for
about
50
years.
So
I
have
some
some
knowledge
of
site
development
and-
and
so
that's
why
I've
suggested
a
drawing
that
that
pushes
the
parking
lot
a
little
further
into
the
into
the
site
brings
the
the
handicap
spaces
up
closer
to
the
building.
But
what
it
does
is
it
is.
Q
It
helps
the
design
to
look
more
like
a
driveway
into
the
site
instead
of
a
parking
lot
on
the
edge
of
the
site
and
gives
plenty
of
room
to
provide
drainage
off
into
the
lawn
from
the
parking
lot,
and
also
to
provide
additional
landscaping
to
to
mitigate
the
visual
impact
of
of
that
of
the
parking
spaces.
Q
See
from
that
one
photograph
on
the
left
that
you're
looking
at
there
were
the
parking
that
was
there
originally.
Q
Was
mitigated
and
visually
mitigated
because
of
the
existing
trees
and
landscaping
that
were
there
so
the
so,
the
cars
were
not
nearly
as
as
impactful
from
a
visual
point
of
view,
especially
from
those
directly
across
the
street.
So
and
and
again
I
think
cheryl
indicated
the
front
of
the
building
the
which
faces
sub
brook
road
has
been
significantly
changed
as
well,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
thank
you
and
then
one
more.
You
said
caitlyn.
J
R
Hi
I
just
wanted
to
make.
I
submitted
a
letter
and
I'm
actually
in
favor
of
the
parking
and
everything
that's
being
done
to
the
house.
I've
been
in
the
neighborhood
for
46
years.
I
actually
own
the
house
directly
next
door
to
the
assistant
living
it's
a
rancher.
R
I
disagree
completely
with
cheryl's
sentiments
about
the
neighborhood
there's
a
facebook
group,
and
if
you
look
at
the
responses,
it
is
by
far
more
people
supporting
than
it
is
of
those
that
are
against
this.
If
you
saw
the
condition
of
this
house
before
they
purchased
it,
it
was
completely
run
down,
not
as
bad
as
the
house.
It's
at
the
end
of
sub
brook
lane
and
upland.
R
That
house
is
a
disaster
at
605
upland,
which
you
know
people
would
be
more
upset
about
the
condition
that
that
house
is
in
than
what
these
people
are
actually
doing.
It
has
done
nothing
but
improve
the
appearance
of
the
house
and
for
the
neighborhood
and
as
far
as
the
parking
lot
that
parking
lot
was
already
there.
It
was
backed
up
all
the
way
to
the
carriage
house.
Yes,
it
was
a
stone
gravel,
but
it
still
was
that
same
exact.
R
You
know
size
of
a
parking
area
so
for
for
the
amount
of
work
that
they
have
put
in
for
a
couple
people
to
be
upset
because
they
don't
want
to
look
out
their
window
and
see
you
know
a
parking
spot,
it's
this
they're
doing
it,
for
you
know
their
own.
You
know
reasons
rather
than
you
know
the
to
support
the
neighbors
and
all
the
wonderful
work
they've
done.
A
Thank
you,
mr
sunderland.
I
appreciate
it
just
a
reminder
that
the
to
the
commissioners,
while
while
the
neighborhood
input
is
important
and
we
value
it-
we're
really
trying
to
follow
our
obligation
to
protect
historic
properties
and
re
remand
things
back
to
zoning
if
there
hasn't
been
proper
zoning
done
for
the
property.
D
D
O
The
we
we
got
the
the
directives
from
the
the
zoning
we
actually
went
to
zoning,
so
I've
never
owned
a
property
like
this.
That
is
historical,
so
I've
been
trying
to
go
as
slowly,
even
though
it's
costly
trying
to
follow
all
the
guidelines
so
trying
to
do
a
parking
lot,
we
were
told
that
we
needed
to
do
a
parking
lot
because
we
would
have
left
it
the
way
it
was.
O
The
parking
lot
alone
is
costing
us
about
22
000
dollars,
so
I
would
have
left
it
and
use
that
money
to
do
something
else,
but
we
were
told
we
needed
to
do
a
standardized
parking
lot
because
it's
an
assisted
living
and
they
do
not.
I
remember
they
told
us.
The
family
members
cannot
be
packing
on
the
streets.
O
O
I'm
trying
to
explain,
sir,
so
I
guess
for
me
I
said
medical
practitioner.
I
might
not
know
the
difference
between
the
zoning
advice
and
the
zoning
approval,
but
we
went
to
zoning.
We
did
an
application.
They
told
us
how
many
parking
lots
we
need
to
have.
They
told
us
how
many
handicapped
we
need
to
have.
They
told
us
where
to
put
the
handicap
closer
to
the
building,
and
we
followed
that
in
the
drawing
with
the
architect,
we
submitted
everything
and
then
we
got
a
building
approval.
O
F
G
That's
a
permit
was
applied
for
the
work
to
the
house,
which
the
commission
had
approved
the
rehab
work
for
the
house.
We,
the
commission,
had
never
seen.
We
checked
all
of
our
files.
We
didn't
ever
approve
like
a
site
plan
or
a
landscaping
plan
only
plans
for
the
rehabilitation
of
the
exterior
of
the
house.
I
think
that's
where
the
companion
was
and
I
believe
I
believe
they
might
have
needed
a
grading
permit
for
the
parking
lot,
which
would
have
flagged
us.
J
Prior
to.
F
F
Right
so
it
sounds
like
there
may
have
been
a
either
a
misunderstanding
or
a
mis
application,
but
it
sounds
certainly
like
a
site
development.
Permit
of
so
you
know,
grading
plan
or
something
was
should
have
been
required
before
that
any
of
the
site
development
work
would
have
happened,
which
also
would
have
addressed
stormwater
and
other
site
development
issues.
There.
D
Well,
I
I
just
am
questioning,
because
before
it
had
been
a
pervious
surface
and
now
it's
an
impervious
service,
which
is
quite
a
difference
as
far
as
you
know,
water,
storm,
water
management-
and
you
know
many
other
things
besides
the
fact
that
there's
no
room
now,
apparently
for
any
vegetation
to
be
a
buffer
to
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,
so
it
does
seem
like
that's
kind
of
a
leap
you
know
on
the
part
of
the
owners
and
I'm
not
blaming
them,
but
there
was.
D
F
B
I
I
have
a
question
so
to
clarify
the
the
installation
of
the
parking
lot
has
never
been
submitted
as
a
plan
to
the
permitting
office,
I'm
not
being
I'm
not
asking
whether
or
not
it
went
to
one
zoning
or
somewhere
else,
but
I
just
want
to
understand
whether
a
plan
a
physical,
a
drawing,
was
ever
submitted
to
the
permitting
offices.
B
G
I
can
only
I
know
that
taylor
had
looked
up
the
everything
we
had
that
was
submitted
with
the
permit,
which
was
approved
and
everything
that
was
approved
by
us,
and
we
did
not.
There
was
not
a
site,
planner
landscape
plan
that
included
a
driveway
with
those
which
would
have
been
the
ones
that
would
have
been
submitted
with
the
bernie
building
permit,
because
that's
how
we
that's
how
we
are
able
to
sign
off
on
the
building
permits
that
the
lpc
approves.
G
They
have
to
submit
the
same
plans
that
were
approved
by
lpc,
and
those
ones
did
not
include
a
aside
plan
or
any
mention
of
a
new
driveway,
and
I
know
that
taylor
looked
over
very
thoroughly.
Okay,.
C
That
is
the
drawing
that
appears
to
have
been
submitted,
which
shows
that
parking
lot
has
constructed.
The
question
is:
who
ever
saw
this?
It
doesn't
have
any
grading
information,
surface
coverage,
it's
just
a
layout
plan
really.
A
So
would
someone
like
to
create
a
motion
to
agree
with
staff
and
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate,
or
would
you
like
to
vote
in
a
different
direction.
E
So
just
to
clarify,
so
if
we
follow
staff
recommendations
and
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
notice
to
proceed
for
the
parking
lot,
the
the
owner
can
still
go
back
to
zoning
and
submit
the
proper
landscape
plan.
More
detail
plan
get
that
approved
and
then
come
back
to
us.
For
you
know,
for.
G
G
So
if
they
get
some
information
from
about,
you
know
from
grading
permits
and
things
like
that.
That
might
also
assist.
E
E
Yes,
well,
if
that's
the
case,
then
I
will
make
a
motion
to
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
notice
to
proceed
for
the
parking
lot
as
completed
following
staff
recommendations
citing
baltimore
county
historic
guidelines,
fences
and
landscapes,
county
code,
section,
327,
405.,.
F
I
just
had
one
piece
of
discussion
and
that's
over
concern
about
the
garage.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there
was
some
discussion
about
the
garage
being
torn
down.
It
doesn't
appear
that
it's
been
torn
down
now,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
that
you
know
that
there's
not
an
intent
to
tear
that
down
as
a
part
of
the
existing
property.
There.
A
Yes,
yes,
we,
we
can
certainly
add
that
under
advisement,
but
not
part
of
the
motion.
A
G
We
can
only
we
can
only
address.
The
commission
can
only
address
the
proposal.
That's
on
the
table
now
and
I
can't
talk
about
any
other
work.
I
mean
we
can
mention
that
the
carriage
house
was
approved
for
the
rehabilitation
of
it
as
it
is
no
other
work
or
or
applications
for
any
changes
to
that
original
approval.
Scope
has
been
submitted
to
the
lpc.
I
cannot.
L
H
F
F
A
Yes,
yes-
and
I
I
do
want
to
encourage
miss
johnson
to
to
please-
can
continue
with
your
good
rehabilitation
work
of
the
building.
We
always
are
grateful
when
somebody
brings
a
building
back
to
life,
but
the
zoning
and
permit
process
is
is
a
very
important
part
of
it.
Your
builders
should
be
aware
of
it
as
well.
A
M
M
M
So
work
item
number
one
is
siding
replacement
on
all
elevations,
so
they'll
replace
existing,
deteriorated
wood
shingles
on
all
elevations,
with
james
hardy
lap,
siding
with
a
seven
inch
exposure.
The
application
notes
that
the
shingles
appear
to
have
been
installed
on
top
of
the
pre-existing
lap
siding
and
appear
to
not
be
the
original
siding.
In
addition,
the
existing
siding
does
not
appear
to
be
flashed
at
the
windows,
doors
and
roof
rake
above
the
front
door.
M
The
proposed
work
will
include
demo
of
all
shingles
repair,
sheathing
and
areas
with
rot,
apply,
tyrek
vapor
barrier
before
installing
new
siding
staff
recommends
approval,
with
the
condition
that
the
wood
lab
siding
underneath
the
shingles
to
remain
under
the
new
siding
to
protect
for
future
use.
If
the
siding
underneath
is
found
to
be
in
a
deteriorated
condition
throughout
that
prevents
the
new
siding
to
be
safely
installed,
the
applicant
shall
contact
our
office
and
provide
documentation
for
our
files.
Work
item
number
two
for
the
front:
porch
existing
wood,
porch,
floorboards
and
framing
are
rotted.
M
The
porch
floor
will
be
repaired
and
where
needed,
deteriorated,
elements
will
be
removed
and
replaced
in
kind
with
tongue
and
groove,
yellow
pine,
then
primed
and
painted
the
updated
scope
mentions.
The
porch
framing
is
rotted,
but
no
work
to
the
framing
is
mentioned.
Just
the
floorboard
and
kind
replacements
staff
asked
the
commission
to
get
more
details
about
this
from
the
applicant.
Otherwise
staff
recommends
approval,
as
proposed
for
the
porch
flooring.
Staff
also
wants
to
know
that
the
applicant
that
this
this
project
would
be
tax
credit
eligible
work
item
number
three
of
windows.
M
The
applicant
wishes
to
remove
and
replace
all
existing
windows
and
any
associated
metal
storm
windows.
The
proposed
replacements
are
marvin
infinity.
Six
over
six
double
hung:
33
8
by
45
one
half
inch
windows
with
simulated,
divided,
light,
sashes
to
be
wood
or
fiberglass
existing
window
openings
will
be
repaired.
Flash
before
new
windows
are
installed,
rot
and
damage
to
the
existing
window.
Flashing
jam,
apron
and
frame
were
noted
for
all
more
details
about
each
window.
Condition
was
provided
in
your
meeting
materials
packet.
M
It
appears
that
the
existing
wood
windows
may
have
been
previous
replacements
made
in
the
early
20th
century,
based
on
the
muntin
profile.
In
addition,
the
application
proposes
changing
three
existing
windows
and
adding
a
new
window.
Opening
details
for
each
elevation
are
as
follows:
on
the
front
elevation,
five
existing
six
over
six
wood
windows
will
be
replaced
on
the
rear
the
second
floor.
Two
existing
six
over
six
windows
will
be
replaced.
Existing
eight-sided
central
window
to
be
replaced
with
a
six
over
six
window
and
centered
on
the
facade
and
staff
is
accepting
of
this
proposal.
M
On
the
first
floor
of
the
rear,
the
existing
six
over
six
kitchen
window
will
be
removed
and
a
larger
paired
sliding
window
will
be
aligned
vertically
with
the
windows
above
stuff
is
also
accepting
of
this
alteration
as
it's
on
the
rear
elevation.
M
On
the
first
floor,
the
existing
garden
window
will
be
removed
and
expand.
The
opening
to
create
a
new
doorway
and
install
a
dutch
door
staff
is
accepting
of
this
proposal,
as
the
new
door
is
utilizing
an
existing
opening.
On
the
second
floor
of
the
south
elevation,
a
new
window
opening
will
be
created
where
one
does
not
exist,
the
new
window
will
match
other
replacements,
and
staff
is
accepting,
as
it
is
on
the
side
that
is
not
visible.
M
Our
guidelines
state
that
changing
the
location,
covering
up
changing
the
dimensions
of
a
window
opening
or
adding
new
windows
is
typically
not
appropriate
treatment,
but
the
enlarging
or
adding
a
window
at
the
rear
or
other
portions
that
are
not
visible
from
the
street,
may
be
appropriate.
If
the
proposal
respects
the
historic
character
of
the
house,
staff
recommends
approval,
with
the
condition
that
the
replacements
be
wood
instead
of
fiberglass.
M
Work.
Item
number
four
exterior
doors,
the
existing
front
door
will
be
repaired.
Staff
wanted
to
note
that
this
would
be
a
tax
credit
eligible
project
on
the
rear
elevation.
The
applicant
is
proposing
the
removal
of
an
existing
single
wood
exterior
door
and
enclosing
the
space
and
covering
with
new
siding
staff
is
accepting
of
this
proposal
as
it
is
on
the
rear.
In
addition,
the
owners
are
proposing
the
replacement
of
existing
modern
sliding
door
with
a
new
marvin
infinity
french
doors
with
divided
lights.
M
The
new
dutch
door
is
proposed
to
be
installed
on
the
south
side
elevation
in
the
same
location
of
the
existing
kitchen
garden
window.
The
existing
opening
will
be
expanded
to
accommodate
the
new
door.
Steph
is
accepting
of
this
proposal
as
a
new
door
because
it
is
using
an
existing
opening
and
is
located
on
the
side.
Elevation
staff
recommends
approval
for
all
work,
as
proposed
work
item
number
five
shutters.
The
proposal
calls
for
the
removal
of
the
existing
wood
shutters
and
replaced
with
wood
custom
mover
styles
from
timberline.
M
Shutters
staff
is
accepting
of
this
as
the
existing
shutter
shutters
are
not
appropriate
style
or
hung
correctly.
Hardware
evidence
that
shutters
previously
existed
on
the
house
is
present
on
the
window
frames.
No
information
about
how
the
new
shutters
will
be
hung
was
provided
in
the
application
staff
is
accepting
of
the
proposal
for
the
shoulders,
but
recommends
that
a
condition
for
approval
be
that
the
shutters
are
hung
correctly
so
that
they
are
operable
not
screwed
into
the
siding
and
finally,
work
item
number
six
new
deck.
M
The
applicant
shall
contact
our
office
and
provide
documentation
for
our
files,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work,
item,
two
repair
and
income
replacement
of
the
front
porch
for
as
proposed
work
item
three,
with
the
condition
that
the
window
replacements
be
wood
and
work.
A
G
G
Yes,
we
have
andrew
alderlin,
I'm
gonna
hear
you
all
right,
you're
unmuted,
you
can
address
or
add
anything.
S
B
I
do
have
a
question
I
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
consideration
about
stepping
the
side
of
the
deck
back
a
couple
feet
and
whether
or
not
consideration
to
have
it
approach
on
the
sides
that
it
doesn't
affect
the
front
elevation
of
the
of
the
house,
because
at
this
moment,
even
though
the
porch
is
right
in
front
you're,
still
having
the
deck
be
right
up
on
the
on
that
front,
elevation.
A
B
The
actual
like
the
front
porch,
am
I
not
understanding
it
correctly,
the
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
There
are
two
three
steps
that
go
up
to
the
deck
yeah,
this
one's
yeah,
yeah
and
so
right
now
the
the
deck
the
front
of
the
deck
is
really
at
the
same
line
as
the
front
of
the
of
the
house,
and
you
know,
typically,
we
any
new
things,
especially
if
it
belongs
to
the
rear.
You
really
want
to
push
it
back
from
the
main
elevation.
K
F
Had
one
comment-
and
I
think
it
was
just
regarding
retaining
the
original
siding-
I
think
there
was
a
comment
that
the
existing
windows
may
not
have
been
flashed.
F
So
the
concern
is
that,
if
they're
installing
new
windows
that
they
may
end
up
needing
to
cut
into
the
original
siding
in
order
to
properly
flash
those
windows,
so
it's
somewhat
questionable
if
you
have
to
cut
into
that
to
properly
flash
the
windows
to
keep
the
water
out
appropriately,
is
there
a
value
to
retaining
that
siding
and.
A
I'm
clarifying
that
for
me
a
little
bit
chris,
you
mean
if
they
have
to
take
a
piece
of
siding
out,
should
they
save
that
that
actual
piece
of
siding
is
that
mature?
Well,.
F
I
think
a
sign,
I'm
sorry
yeah.
I
think
that
there's
a,
I
think
that
that
image-
it's
it's
a
is
that's
a
lap
siding.
I
believe
that
is
there
initially
and
typically,
you
know
you're
going
to
you
want
to
have
some
means
of
making
sure
that
if
water,
the
the
water
would
drain
outside
of
that-
and
I
think,
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
that
it
sounded
like
there
was
a
exterior
membrane
that
would
go
over
the
the
top
of
that
existing
siding
and
underneath
the
new
siding.
F
But
it
might
be
that
you,
you
might
need
to
cut
that.
I
guess
what
I'm
seeing
is
the
yellow
siding
underneath
that
you
might
have
to
cut
some
of
that
back
in
order
to
get
proper,
proper
seal
of
the
the
window
to
the
to
the
frame
of
the
house
there.
So
you
may
end
up
modifying
that
existing
siding
and,
if
you're
trying
to
retain
that,
for
you
know
keeping
an
original
condition,
you
may
end
up
need
to
needing.
J
A
I
don't
think
that
that
would
need
to
be
addressed
in
the
motion
when
we
get
to
it,
but
it's
something
to
be
taken
under
advisement
that
if
they
have
to
have
to
do
that,
lilies
I
think
will
need
to
be
addressed
and
whoever
makes
the
motion
any
other
questions
or
comments.
Commissioners.
D
I
K
C
C
C
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
then.
The
next
item
is
item
number
eight,
which
was
pulled
from
the
consent
agenda
so
jessica.
You
want
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
that
and
then
we
can
discuss
it.
M
Right
so
agenda
item
number
eight,
the
russell
property
located
at
33
west
seminary
avenue,
county
council
district
number.
Three-
and
this
is
the
replacement
of
six
vinyl
windows
in
a
two-story
bay
window,
located
in
a
non-historic
rear
edition,
with
four
over
four
wood
windows
to
match
the
rest
of
the
house
and
one
second.
M
K
All
right,
so
we
are.
M
Okay,
the
property
owners
have
stated
in
their
application
that
the
two-story
bay
window
is
located
on
a
rare
edition
constructed
in
1997..
The
proposed
replace
replacements
are
pella
lifestyle.
Four
over
four
wood
double
hung
windows
to
match.
The
historic
windows
on
the
home
and
staff
has
suggested
voting
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
proposed
citing
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
windows
and
doors
pages.
Two
through
six
county
code,
section
327,
405.,.
H
So
when
we
built
the
we've
owned
this
house
for
40
plus
years
and
when
we
built
the
addition,
we
actually
hired
an
architect
who
was
part
of
the
lutherville
community
association,
historic
committee,
to
actually
do
the
design
work
and
just
a
an
editorial
note.
The
windows
we're
replacing
are
not
vinyl,
they're,
actually
wood,
but
the
wood
windows
that
he
spec'd
had.
H
They
were
just
cheap
builder
grade
windows
to
be
honest,
and
they
had
four
over
four
snap
in
grids
that
ultimately
fell
apart,
and
so
what
we
wanted
to
try
to
accomplish,
aside
from
getting
rid
of
six
rotten
windows,
was
to
bring
that
the
the
look
of
the
bay
window
in
alignment
with
the
look
of
the
rest
of
the
house
when
we
built
the
addition,
I
mean
we
had
siding
it's
german
lap,
siding
on
the
historic
part
of
the
house.
We
had
german
lap
siding
milled
to
match
the
house.
H
We
scaled
all
the
windows
the
same
as
the
original
windows,
so
you
know
I
mean
everything.
We've
done
is
trying
to
make
everything
buy
together
as
tightly
as
we
can.
I
talked
to
marie
frederick
yesterday
she's
the
one
that
sent
you
the
letter,
and
she
said
you
know
it
was
just
a
suggestion
by
the
architect
that
they
use.
H
She
said
it's,
you
know
it's,
they
weren't
real,
strong
on
it
one
way
or
the
other.
My
preference
would
be
to
get
rid
of
the
now
one
over
one
windows
and
the
the
windows
we
selected
we
selected
on
purpose
because
they
have
dividers
that
match
very
closely
to
the
historic
windows
that
we
have
in
the
property.
A
You,
mr
russell,
we
appreciate
it
appreciate
your
your
thoughts
lilly,
you
would
ask
to
take
a
closer
look
at.
It
is
anything
that
you'd
like
to
ask
about,
or.
B
Right,
I
just
wanted
to
evaluate
the
decision,
the
recommendation
of
staff
based
on
the
the
more
recent
letter
that
we
received
from
the
from
the
local
advisory
committee
and
I'm
I'm
kind
of
in
favor.
Now
that
I
hear
the
the
homeowners,
I
guess
presentation
I'm,
I
can
be
swayed
either
way.
B
But
I
I
agree
with
what
was
said
on
the
letter
from
the
advisory
committee
that
if
this
bay
is
a
later
addition
to
the
house
and
the
original
windows
of
the
house,
even
though
they
might
have
been
replaced
or
if
they
are,
if
they're,
if
the
original
ones
of
the
main
body
of
the
house
were
two
over
two
anything
new
can
can,
can
reflect
a
more
recent
window
so
not
necessarily
to
match
the
existing
to
confuse
sort
of
the
the
the
history
of
the
house.
B
So
either
one
over
one,
as
the
advisory
committee
suggested,
or
maybe
two
over
one.
So
it
pulls
pools
from
the
from
the
old,
but
also
indicates
that
it's
a
newer.
It's
a
newer
bay.
A
So,
mr
russell,
as
you
heard
lily,
say
typically
we
we
want
the
additions
to
reflect
that
it
is
not
part
of
the
period
while,
certainly
we
like
it
when
it
nods
to
the
previous
architecture,
it
should
have
some
distinctive
difference
to
show
that
it's
not
old
commissioners,
any
other
any
other
comments
or
questions.
Yeah.
E
I
have
a
question
this
is
this
is
phoebe,
so
when
this
edition
was
was
done
back
in
1997
did
that
come
before
the
lpc
and
if
so,
what
kind
of
windows
were
approved
in
1997?
You
had
mentioned
that
you
know
when
you
originally
installed
them.
They
were,
you
know
they
had
snap
in
dividers,
so
it
had
the
look
of
four
over
four,
but
those
you
know
were
cheap
and
they
fell
out.
So
right
did.
If
this
came
before
us
in
1997
did.
Did
the
lpc
approve
before.
H
Yes,
I
mean-
I
mean
the
architect.
First
of
all
that
I
used
was
on
the
lutherville
historic
committee,
so
you
know,
and
of
course
things
you
know
have
obviously
evolved
over
time
when
we,
when
we
did
the
addition,
the
impetus
was
to
make
everything
tie
in
you
know,
that's
why
we
spent
all
the
money
to
mill
the
siding,
exactly
the
match
and
that
type
of
thing
and
so
and
we
use
original
shutters
on.
H
If
you
look
at
that
side
view
in
the
upper
left
hand
corner,
you
can
see,
there's
a
window
above
the
back
porch.
The
back
porch
is
designed
to
exactly
match
the
front,
porch
and
and
columns,
and
what
have
you
and
the
window
over
the
over
that
back
porch
entrance
is
actually
an
original
window
that
we
took
out
of
the
back
of
the
house
and
moved
around
to
the
side.
So
that's
that's
an
actual
original
window.
H
When
we
did
the
original
historic
restoration
of
the
house
back
in
the
early
80s
we
took
every
window
took,
took
every
sash
out
of
every
window,
took
all
of
the
original
glass
out
of
every
sash
sanded
them
all
down
to
bare
wood,
primed
them
painted
them
and
reset
all
of
the
original
glass
back
in
the
windows
and
they're.
Then
re-hung
them
with
period
chains
and
weights.
A
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this
house
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that,
mr
russell
lilly.
Would
you
like
to
put
an
emotion,
inclusive
of
your
your
suggestions.
A
C
F
F
K
All
righty:
next
we
have
the
rutkowski
property.
M
At
903,
adana
rhodes
said
brook
park
county
council
district
number
two.
This
is
a
contributing
resource
within
the
county
council
district
sudbury
park,
expansion,
number
two
adena
road
and
the
pro
property
owners
are
seeking
historic
tax
credits
for
two
work
items.
The
first
is
the
installation
of
a
new
furnace
and
air
conditioning
unit.
The
second
is
mortar
repointing
of
the
exterior
and
to
the
chimney
so
work
item
number
one.
The
existing
hvac
system
is
over
20
years
old
and
is
in
need
of
replacement.
M
The
work
will
include
installing
a
new
natural
gas
furnace
and
ac
unit.
The
outdoor
units
will
be
replaced
and
install
them
in
the
same
location
and
electric
connections.
Ductwork
modifications
will
be
installed
as
needed.
Staff
recommends
approval
as
proposed
work.
Item
number
two
includes
repairs
to
the
mortar
on
the
chimney
and
other
areas
on
the
exterior
of
the
house
to
be
repointed.
No
information
was
provided
about
the
existing
mortar
composition
or
the
proposed
mortar
composition.
M
Staff
recommends
approval
with
the
conditions
that
the
mortar
used
for
repairs
is
compatible
to
the
existing
material
and
is
not
100
portland
cement
and
that
the
color
matches
the
existing.
This
information
can
be
provided
to
staff
in
an
updated
estimate
for
the
work
from
the
contractor
before
the
start
of
the
work
to
beat
tax
credit
eligible
so
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
proposed
for
work
item.
M
G
A
G
A
And
commissioners,
any
questions
any
thoughts.
I
F
A
M
Sorry
folks,
I
I
had
asked
it
just
to
re-clarify
who
gave
the
second.
D
L
M
Did
I
think,
wendy
great,
thank
you
wendy.
So
now
I'm
sorry
ben's.
Could
I
please
have
your
vote.
Okay,.
M
Great
thank
you
now,
scott.
M
Oh
sorry
about
that
phoebe!
Yes,
chris
parts.
F
A
Yes,
all
right,
thank
you.
Then
we
go
to
item
number
11,
the
glendon
bank,
which
has
been
the
before
us
before.
Are
you
up
on
that
one
too
jessica.
K
A
M
M
M
Yes,
so
to
repeat,
is
a
non-contributing
structure
within
the
glyndon
county,
historic
district,
so
4817
butler
road
is
a
two-story
brick
building
that
historically
served
as
the
glendon
community.
As
a
bank,
the
structure
was
constructed
circa
1931
in
the
colonial
revival
style,
although
it's
a
non-contributing
resource
in
the
district
as
it
falls
outside
of
glendon's
period
of
significance,
which
ends
around
1915,
it
has
acquired
significance
and
its
own
as
a
prominent
building
on
butler
road.
M
The
community's
main
thoroughfare,
the
property,
is
older
than
50
years
and
architecturally
has
merit
to
be
individually
listed
in
the
national
register
or
as
a
county
landmark.
Non-Contributing
properties
are
reviewed
within
the
building's
context,
meaning
its
age,
architectural
style
and
location
of
the
structure
and
its
relationship
with
the
historic
district.
The
property
owner
is
seeking
exposed
facto
approval
for
commercial
sign
installation.
For
the
second
time.
The
following
is
a
brief
review
of
the
timeline
of
the
case
in
july.
M
The
building
was
the
glendon
family
dentistry,
whose
sign
was
located
above
the
door,
not
obstructing
the
glendon
bank
sign
in
mid-april
2021,
dr
romay
installed
a
new
baltimore
dentist
co
sign
at
the
top
of
the
building
covering
up
the
original
glendon
bank
sign
the
baltimore
dental
co
sign
measured,
144
inches
by
20
inches
in
length.
The
text
is
white,
with
a
serif
style
font
set
against
a
black
background,
with
a
circular
mint
leaf
design
placed
in
the
leftmost
corner.
M
The
sign
is
mounted
to
the
brick
mortar
on
the
front
facade
in
july
of
2021,
a
glinden
neighbor
contacted
staff
to
see
if
the
sign
had
been
approved
and
properly
permitted,
which
it
had
not.
In
early
december,
2021
code
enforcement
issued
a
correction
notice
directing
the
property
owner
to
contact
staff
rectify
the
issue.
As
a
note,
staff
originally
contacted
code
enforcement
in
july
of
2021.
However,
there
was
a
miscommunication
on
the
correction
notice
being
issued,
which
is
why
it
was
not
issued
until
december.
M
The
property
owner
first
submitted
an
exposed
facto
application
earlier
this
year
and
was
reviewed
by
the
lpc
at
its
february
10
2022
meeting
at
that
meeting,
the
lpc
voted
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
completed
and
required
the
sign
to
be
removed
and
located
in
an
alternate
in
an
alternative
location
that
does
not
obstruct
the
glendon
bank.
Sign
the
lpc
cited
the
national
park
services,
technical
preservation,
brief
number
25,
the
preservation
of
historic
signs
in
their
review.
M
The
property
owner
has
again
submitted
an
application
seeking
expose
facto
approval
for
a
commercial
sign
installed,
and
the
proposal
the
owner
states
that
the
reasoning
for
covering
up
the
sign
was
because
people
were
not
aware
that
the
building
was
being
used
as
a
dental
office,
because
the
previous
signage
was
too
small
and
has
noted
that
the
new
sign
has
brought
more
attention
to
the
building
and
its
current
use.
In
addition,
the
owner
mentions
that,
in
our
design
guidelines
there
is
no
mention
of
exterior
signage,
which
is
why
she
did
not
seek
approval.
M
In
addition,
commercial
signage
requires
a
building
permit,
regardless,
if
the
structure
is
in
the
historic
district
or
not,
if
a
building
permit
was
applied
for
our
office
would
have
been
flagged
and
lpc
review
and
approval
required
before
a
permit
can
be
signed
off
on
preservation.
Brief
number
25,
the
preservation
of
historic
signs
states.
The
following
point
should
be
considered
when
designing
and
constructing
new
signs
for
historic
buildings
sign
placement
is
important.
New
signs
should
not
obscure
significant
features
of
the
historic
building.
New
signs
should
also
respect
neighboring
buildings.
M
They
should
not
shadow
or
overpower
adjacent
structures.
Sci
material
should
be
compatible
with
those
of
the
historic
building
materials
characteristic
of
the
building's
period
and
style
using
contemporary
designs
can
form
effective
new
signs.
New
signs
should
be
attached
to
the
building
carefully,
both
to
prevent
damage
to
historic
fabric
and
to
ensure
the
safety
of
pedestrians.
M
Fittings
should
penetrate
mortar
joints
rather
than
brick,
for
example,
and
sign
load
should
be
properly
calculated
and
distributed.
While
staff
appreciates
the
information
provided
about
how
the
sign
was
attached
to
the
building,
staff
still
has
concerns
over
the
location
of
the
sign.
As
the
new
signup
scares
a
significant
feature
on
the
structure.
M
Again,
the
commission
reviews
non-contributing
structures
within
the
building's
context,
meaning
its
age,
architectural
style,
the
location
of
the
structure
and
its
relationship
to
the
historic
district.
The
engraved
glendon
bank
sign
is
character,
defining
feature
and
should
not
be
and
should
therefore
have
not
been
covered
up
with
new
signage.
A
J
Yes,
dr
romania
is
online.
K
J
G
N
Okay,
well
so
sorry
about
that.
So
basically,
yes,
you
read
through
those
points
from
the
the
parks
guidelines
which
everyone
keeps
telling
me
to
cite,
and
you
know
it's
basically
also
that
what
she
did
not
say
is
that
also
in
the
guideline
it
says
that
the
signage
should
fit
within
the
original
signboard,
so
my
sign
fits
within
the
original
sign
board
of
the
building.
Yes,
the
previous
sign
that
little
one
that
says,
glendon
family
dentistry,
did
fit
down
below
there.
N
Just
above
that
keystone,
I
mean
from
my
standpoint
it's
very
small.
If
I
etched
on
the
glass,
that's
no
one
driving
by
can
see
that
I
mean
I'm
a
small
business
owner,
I'm
trying
to
do
good
for
the
community
and
community
members
have
come
to
me
and
told
me
that
they,
like
my
sign
and
and
frankly
the
I
would
like
to
know
which
community
member
said
they
were
worried
about
my
sign,
but
the
one
of
the
leads
of
the
glyndon
community
association.
N
N
N
Then
the
building
was
vacant,
sat
for
about
10
years
and
then
totally
vacant.
So
you
know
how
significant
is
the
history
of
that?
I
don't
know.
Also
there's
not
other
buildings
in
the
district
that
are
of
this
same
style
and
typically
for
something
to
be
kind
of
considered
iconic.
It
would
need
to
be
multiple
buildings
that
are
similar
style
built
in
the
same
time
that
have
that
like
embedded
stone,
signage
and
there
really
isn't
like
there's
a
new
shopping
center
behind
me.
They
all
have
signs
like
mine
mounted
up
that
are
like
not
illuminated.
N
No,
I
did
not
get
a
permit
for
the
sign,
because
I
worked
with
a
very
reputable
company
called
aa
signs
and
they
told
me
hey.
We
we
do
everything,
so
it
was
my
understanding
that,
if
they're
a
sign
company
and
they
that
I
need
a
permit-
that
they
were
gonna,
do
whatever
needed
to
be
done.
Now.
I
did
contact
my
person,
my
my
the
person.
I
worked
with
at
a
a
signs,
derek
whisner
and
basically
I
said
well-
is
there
a
permit-
and
he
said
no
typically
for
a
small
project
like
this?
N
N
Well,
I
don't
know
if
you
actually
know
what
the
lot
looks
like,
but
there's
nowhere
to
put
a
sign
in
front
of
the
building
so
like
I
just
don't,
have
the
real
estate
for
that
and
to
put
a
sign
anywhere
else
like
there's
windows,
there's
doors,
there's
molding
like
I'm,
not
really
sure
where
I
would.
L
A
Thank
you,
dr
romeo.
We
appreciate
it
your
thoughts
on
it,
commissioners,
any
questions
or
any
thoughts.
C
C
It
is
important
that
the
sign
be
legible
from
the
road.
I
think
a
lot
of
this
person's
business
involves
drive
by
traffic
and
I
think
that
the
sign
is
tasteful
and
I
think
that
the
architect's
original
intent
was
that
the
sign
be
located
where
it
is
above
the
door.
So
I
appreciate
all
the
historic
guidelines,
but
my
personal
opinion
is
that
the
sign
is
okay.
I
Okay,
it's
my
understanding,
and
I
hope
I
got
this
right-
that
there
needed
to
be.
This
would
be
considered
commercial
right.
J
I
Okay,
and
that
was
or
was
not
given,
okay.
A
A
So
so,
whatever
we
come
up
with
tonight
that
underlies
the
conversation
commissioners,
any
other
thoughts.
E
N
E
Through
the
the
proper
permitting
process
for
the
sign,
so
you
know
we
got
to
follow
the
rules.
F
If
that's
a
part
of
you
know,
if
that's
a
part
of
the
conditions
there,
it
seems
like
it's
and
and
maybe
I'm
misunderstanding,
but
it
seems
like
it
has
that
it's
a
little
bit
open-ended
in
terms
of
interpretation
and
maybe
maybe
that's
not
correct,
but
I'm
I'm
not
clear
exactly
how
that's
applied
and
and
and
particularly
in
in
this
case,.
A
And
so
just
be
clear.
The
staff
kaitlyn
jessica
and
the
team
are
obligated
to
follow
the
guidelines
as
they
are
written
in
the
county
and
other
historic
buildings.
And
then,
if
the,
if
the
commissioners
wish,
as
chris
weston
is
suggesting
to
vary
from
that,
then
that's
within
our
our
purview
and
any
other
comments
from
commissioners.
L
So
dr.
G
Romay's
attorney
would
like
to
speak,
so
I'm
gonna,
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
that's
all
right!
That's
all
right!
I
know
she
sent
a
letter,
but
I
didn't
read
that
I
think
it's
to
jessica,
but
I'm
gonna
you're
a
mutant.
T
T
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
just
kind
of
bring
in
a
few
additional
notes
that
haven't
really
been
addressed
in
the
applications
either
the
original
or
the
the
most
recent
one,
just
kind
of
highlight
a
few
of
the
items
that
you
guys
have
been
talking
about,
so
essentially
neither
the
reservations,
brief
25
nor
the
baltimore
county,
historic
preservation
guidelines
really
provide
an
answer
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
permissible
or
impermissible,
and
in
fact,
if
you
read
all
of
the
factors
holistically,
they
favor
favor,
maintaining
the
sign
where
it
is
so
as
far
as
the
preservation
brief
and
actually
don't
speak
about
stone
signage
at
all,
and
the
only
time
that
they
speak
about
is
with
regard
to
removing
the
signs
so
essentially
destroying
the
sign
and
to
replace
it
entirely.
T
Otherwise,
they
essentially
are
worried
about
maintaining
the
look
and
the
original
feel
of
the
signage
and
otherwise
preserving
the
signage.
Maintaining
the
signage
over
their
original
sign
board
does
both.
It
puts
the
signage
where
it's
logically
supposed
to
go
and
where
it
was
meant
to
go,
and
that
fits
with
the
preservation
guidelines
and
covering
it
and
securing
it
with
appropriate
materials,
as
mr
romeo's
kind
of
suggests,
it
has
been
done,
further
protects
it
from
the
elements
and
essentially
enhances
its
preservation.
T
And
then,
if
you
look
at
the
baltimore
county,
historic
preservation
guidelines,
well,
you
kind
of
like
see
the
thing
that
it
should.
Essentially,
you
know
you
should
preserve
historic,
signage
and
awnings
of
the
remainder
historic
building
and
you
shouldn't
cover
them,
but
they
also
provide
numerous
other
guidelines
that
suggest,
if
you
move
the
signage,
you
say
to
the
left
or
right
down
or
above
all
of
that
is
violative
the
guidelines
as
well.
T
The
only
solution
is
to
essentially
make
a
smaller
sign
than
the
glyndon
banks
line,
which
will
then
essentially
make
it
seem
like
it
is
the
inverse
of
the
building
rather
than
the
main
building.
It
is
the
subservient
building.
So
essentially,
the
only
solution
that
doesn't
you
know,
for
example,
cover
architectural
details
like
the
little
bricks
to
the
left
or
right
or
the
arch
over
the
top
of
the
building,
and
you
also
can't
put
the
signage
on
the
rooftop
per
the
very
last
bullet
point.
T
It
preserves
that
signage
for
later
use
and
to
the
extent
that
that
building
is
ever
added
into
the
landmarks
list,
like
you
said
that
it's
not
a
part
of
the
list
that
will
continue
to
exist,
but
otherwise
it's
essentially
depriving
the
you
know
the
business
owners
rights
to
display
their
business
in
a
reasonable
fashion.
Okay,.
D
John,
as
caitlyn
and
jessica
had
pointed
out
in
their
proposal
or
when
they
read
it,
this
building
is
outside
the
significance
of
glendon
historic,
village
or
whatever,
but
it
has
acquired
a
historic
character
in
its
own
right.
It
was
built
in
1931.
D
L
A
Any
others,
commissioners,
any
other
questions
before
we
ask
chris
to
put
a
motion
on
the
floor
hearing
on
chris
in
terms
of
how
the
motion
should
go,
we
have
to
rely
on
what
our
guidelines
are
rather
than
kind
of
what
our
personal
thoughts
on
it
may
be,
but
we
have
to
be
able
to
structure
the
the
the
motion
in
such
a
way
that
it
fits
within
our
guidelines,
and
the
second
thing
I
would
caution
is
we
still
have
the
issue
of
there
is
no
sign
permit,
so
it
probably
needs
to
provide
so
that
they
go
back
and
get
the
appropriate
signed.
A
C
Can
you
make
a
motion
john?
I
the
way
that
you
frame
that
I
I
I'm
not
sure
I
could
make
a
motion
other
than
to
issue
a
certificate
appropriateness
for
the
sign
as
installed,
but
it
sounds
like
that
is
not
fulfilling.
G
If
you
were
to,
it
would
have
to
be
an
a
notice
to
proceed,
not
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
If
you
were
to
vote
to
keep
it
okay,.
C
G
They
would
still
have
to
apply,
they
would
still
have
to
apply
for
the
sign
permit
in
order
to
close
out
the
code
violation
with
code
enforcement.
A
I
think
we
have
to
put
the
proviso
in
there
that
they
need
a
assigned
permit
right.
So,
yes,
let
me
add
that
do
we
have
a
second
promotion.
A
Thank
you,
roll
call,
please
jessica.
I
K
M
Come
back
to
you
at
the
end,
chris
parts.
F
C
K
F
A
So
the
motion
just
does
not
carry,
and
it's
not
not
approved
to
proceed
so
caitlin
is
as
a
kind.
G
Of
someone
else
can
bring
up
another
emotion.
G
A
A
A
Could
kate
my
understanding
is
they
have
not
applied
for
the
permit
and
so
no?
No
so
do
we
not
need
to
have
them
have
an
application
process.
G
You
can
they
can
have
an
application
in
process,
but
if
the
design
or
something
with
the
sign
changes,
then
they
would
have
to
submit
a
whole
new
set
of
design
plans
for
that
to
happen.
So
that's
why
we
always
recommend
coming
to
get
approval
from
us
first.
So
if
there's.
N
A
One
of
them,
the
no
voters
would
be
appropriate
for
you.
I
want
you
to
put
in
a
motion
that
follows
staff
recommendation.
D
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
If
you
can
guide
me
on
what
I
should
say.
A
I
D
The
screen
wendy,
my
screen
is
not
allowing
me
to
read.
A
M
Yeah
I
can
read
the
the
alternate
recommendation:
okay
issue,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
removal
of
the
sign
and
install
in
either
the
same
location
as
the
previous
dental
offices
sign
or
consider
alternative
signage
location
options
that
do
not
obscure
character,
defining
features.
A
A
Jessica
said,
and
then
we
need
we
need
a
second,
please
is
that.
E
I
F
C
K
A
M
So
we
have
three
nose:
two
to
five
yeses.
A
A
Okay,
thank
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
then
the
final
one
is
the
ashland
public
school.
M
Yes,
almost
almost
through
it
folks
alrighty
agenda
item
number
12
ashland
public
school.
This
is
the
teed
property
located
at
200
ashland
road
in
ashland,
county
council
district
number.
Three.
This
is
a
final
landmark
number
172
myth
number
202
and
the
property
owners
wish
to
make
a
series
of
exterior
updates
to
the
rear
of
their
home,
and
this
includes
five
work
items.
M
So
work
item
number
one:
the
bathroom
edition,
the
owner
swiss
shoe
construct
a
14
foot
by
11
foot
bathroom
addition
over
the
existing
mud
room,
which
is
a
non-historic
edition
located
on
the
rear,
where
the
two
historic
portions
of
the
structure
meet
creating
a
rear
l.
The
bathroom
edition
will
create
a
large
shed
dormer
sheath,
with
james
hardy,
shake
straight
edge
with
a
gaf
slate
line,
asphalt,
roof
exterior
soffit
and
a
large
shed
dormer
sheath
with
I'm.
M
So
sorry,
I've
lost
my
place
and
trim
details
that
will
consist
of
as
like
trim
synthetic
trim
boards.
It
will
have
anderson,
400
series,
simulated,
divided
light,
casement
windows,
two
on
the
rear
elevation
and
on
the
west
elevation
a
pair
at
the
center
with
one
window
at
either
side
the
modern
roof
will
be
hipped
covered
with
gif
slate
light
shingles
a
custom
milled
crown
cornice
detail
will
be
milled
to
match
the
original
structure,
detail,
copper,
half
inch
round,
gutters
and
downspouts
will
be
installed.
M
Staff
recommends
approval
with
the
condition
that
the
new
poorness
detail
on
the
new
mudroom
roof
via
different
material
or
more
simple
design,
to
help
differentiate
the
old
from
the
new.
As
stated
in
our
design
guidelines,
which
can
be
done
using
a
different
material
work
item
number
two
mud
room
door
replacement.
M
The
owners
wish
to
replace
the
existing
vinyl
sliding
door
on
the
rear,
mudroom's
west
elevation
with
a
custom-designed
64-inch
by
84-inch,
solid
mahogany
entry
door
with
a
three-quarter
light
glass
panel
staff
recommends
approval
as
proposed
work.
Item
number
three
is
for
the
mud
room
window
replacement.
M
The
owners
wish
to
replace
the
existing
vinyl
double
hung
windows
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
rear
mudroom.
With
a
pair
of
simulated,
divided
light,
400
series,
anderson,
casement
windows
staff,
recommends
approval
as
proposed
work
item
number
four
mudroom
siding
the
owners
wish
to
cover
the
existing
mudroom
gray
tile,
slash
brick
with
a
stone,
cottonwood
limestone,
tumbled
veneer.
M
Our
guidelines
state
that
addition
should
be
differentiated
from
the
historic
structure
staff
does
not
recommend
approval
as
proposed
and
recommends
the
owners
select
a
material
that
does
not
replicate
the
stone
of
the
historic
structure
and
finally,
work
item
number
five:
the
owners
wish
to
construct
a
kitchen
11
foot
by
24
feet:
kitchen
addition
on
the
rear
elevation.
M
It
will
be
built
on
a
monolithic
slab
foundation
and
be
stepped
in
slightly
on
either
side
of
the
existing
structure.
The
existing
window,
opening
on
the
rear
will
be
expanded
and
used
as
an
entry
to
the
new
kitchen.
It
will
have
a
hip
standing,
seam
metal
roof.
The
existing
exterior
stone
wall
will
remain
exposed
in
the
new
kitchen's
interior.
The
exterior
walls
will
consist
of
four
inch
u.s
stone,
cottonwood
double
limestone
in
order
to
match
the
existing
stone.
A
ribbon
of
six
anderson,
400
series,
casement
windows
with
simulated
divided
lights,
will
be
on
the
rear.
M
Elevation
of
the
proposed
edition
staff
is
accepting
of
the
overall
location
and
general
design
of
the
proposed
kitchen
addition.
In
addition,
staff
appreciates
the
property
owner's
wish
to
make
the
addition
match
the
historic
structure.
However,
our
design
guidelines
and
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
historic
rehabilitation
state
that
new
addition,
slash
features
must
be
differentiated
from
the
original
building.
When
new
work
is
highly
repetitive
of
indistinguishable
from
the
old
in
appearance,
it
may
no
longer
be
possible
to
identify
the
real
historic
building
from
later
editions.
M
So
staff
has
recommended
the
following
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work
items
number
one
bathroom
addition
with
the
condition
that
the
cornish
detail
be
a
different
material
or
a
more
simple
style,
be
used
rather
than
replicating
wood
cornice,
to
match
the
detail
on
the
historic
structure,
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate,
appropriateness
for
work,
items,
number
two
mud,
room
door,
replacement
and
number
three
mudroom
window
replacement
as
proposed
and
to
not
issue
a
certificate
appropriateness
for
work
items
4
and
5,
because
the
proposed
exterior
materials
do
not
differentiate
the
new
work
from
the
historic
structure,
citing
baltimore,
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
facade
materials,
pages,
1-12
windows
and
doors
pages,
two
through
six
additions
and
infill
pages
one
through
six
national
park
services
preservation.
A
U
Hi
there,
yes,
so
we
have
I'm
very
actually,
I'm
very
happy
with
the
results
of
all
this
and
we
actually
had
a
question
in
regards
to
the
finish
our
original
intent
until
we
could,
until
we
found
that
particular
limestone
was
to
go
to
stucco
thinking.
Maybe
it
looked
like
it
was
something
that
was
brick.
That
was
then
stuck
it
over
in
the
past
or
something
like
that
to
keep
still
give
a
an
old
vibe.
So
to
speak
to
it,
my
question
to
you
always
was
whether
that
would
be
acceptable
or
not.
A
So
we
would
have
to
have
that
back
in
a
proposal
form
if
you
want.
L
G
That
that
could
be
one
option
that,
if
the,
if
the
commission
would
like
to
see
themselves,
would
like
to
see
plans
for
it,
depending
on
whatever
suggestions
or
material,
I
mean,
if
that's
something,
if
it's
a
material,
that
if
the
stucco
is
something
that
you
are
all
on
board
with.
Okay,
think
that
it's
you
know
an
appropriate
treatment.
They
can
bring.
A
U
So
yeah
I
mean
I'd
love
to
hear
everybody's
input
on
it.
It's
you
know,
you
know
we
we're
we're
open
to
color
suggestions
as
well.
It
was
really
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
masonry
finish
on
that
lower
level.
U
Just
be
just
honestly
because
grade
concerns,
and
there
you
know
it
just-
has
the
right
feel,
and
I
wanted
the
dimension
off
the
windows
to
emulate
how
the
old,
how
the
stone
the
shadow
lines
and
stuff
on
the
the
original
house
windows
and
the
thick
sills
and
stuff,
although
not
trying
you
know,
my
original
intent-
was
to
match,
because
I
thought
that
was
the
right
thing
to
do.
I've
since
learned.
So
I'm
happy
I'm
happy
to
do
whatever
you
all
suggest,
but
I
would
prefer
a
masonry
product
down
in
the
lower
level.
F
F
B
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
an
alternative
to
the
tumbled
stone
so
staying
within
the
same
stone
manufacturer,
but
maybe
there's
more
of
a
crisper
edge
and,
like
staff,
recommended
a
kind
of
a
a
finer
grain
of
stone,
so
maybe
two
coursings
within
one,
so
both
choosing
the
variegated
coursing
that's
different
from
the
original,
but
also
a
more
polished
edge
kind
of
a
newer
crisper
as
opposed
to
the
more
tumbled
original
look.
B
A
So
what
I'm
hearing
from
chris
and
lilly
is
that
we're
looking
toward
a
vote
to
approve
with
two
alternate
suggestions?
Is
it
am
I
hearing
that
right
from
you,
two,
yes
and
so
then
may
I
rely
on
one
of
you
to
put
that
and
add
that
to
the
motion.
A
Okay,
so
so
the
the
motion,
then,
if
if
stucco
was,
is
your
choice
to
do
it?
The
motion
would
include
the
two
alternatives
that
lillian
chris
suggested,
plus
adding
stucco,
and
may
I
suggest
that
the
motion
also
include
that
lily
and
chris
be
a
subcommittee
that
approves
the
final.
The
final
design.
G
And
I
mean
he
they
can
also.
You
can
also
come
back
to
the
commission.
We
don't
have
a
meeting
in
august.
Unfortunately,
so
they
can
come
back
with
more
plans
with
with
the
various
options
with
the
specs.
If
you
know,
especially
if
it's
just
for
the
the
addition,
everything
else
if
everything
else
is
approved-
and
they
can
do
that,
if
that's
something
that
the
no
commission
wants.
A
L
U
U
And
we
moved
her
out
of
her
house
that
she
has
her
own
bathroom
and
a
finished
basement,
and
her
only
caveat
with
for
moving
was.
I
want
my
own
bathroom
in
a
finished
basement.
I
U
She
needs
so
so.
A
A
Well,
what
would
happen
is
once
you
settled
on
what
you
think
of
those
some
of
these
options
that
the
commissioners
have
mentioned
and,
speaking
with
your
contractor,
for
that
exterior
finishing,
you
would
submit
a
detailed
plan
and
we
would
empower
the
two
commissioners
plus
our
professional
staff,
to
give
approval.
U
A
U
F
So
I
I
moved
that
we
issued
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work
item,
one
the
bathroom
edition,
provided
that
that
cornish
detail
be
different
and
then
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work
items
to
the
mudroom
door,
replacement
and
three,
the
mudroom
window
replacement.
F
And
that
suggests
that
that
we
have
a
resubmission
with
a
select
group.
That.
L
F
A
Second,
thank
you
thank
you
vince
and
then
we'll
have
a
roll
call
vote
and
just
to
be
clear
for
everyone.
A
vote,
yes,
is
to
proceed
with,
allowing
chris
and
lilly
to
make
the
final
decision
on
that
exterior
treatment,
along
with
the
of
course,
kaitlyn
and
jessica.
M
F
C
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
okay
and
then
we
still
have
a
couple
of
tax
credit
applications
that
do
you
all
want
to
mention,
or
do
we
just
show
them
on
the
screen
there?
They
are
so.
M
Yeah,
just
I'll
just
read
through
them
very
quickly,
so
the
following
historic
property,
tax,
credit
applications
or
historic
review
applications
were
approved
by
staff
as
an
emergency
repair
or
due
to
their
seed
of
part.
Two
approval
for
work
reviewed
by
the
maryland
historical
trust.
So,
first
we
have
the
stoneleigh
shopping
center
and
studying
the
final
landmark
part
to
approval
for
commercial
rehabilitation,
project
county
council
district
number:
five.
We
have
the
wales
property
located
at
31
dunkirk,
road
rogers,
forge.
M
This
was
a
emergency
review
for
part,
two
approval
for
an
ac
unit,
replacement
county
council
district
number.
Five.
Now
we
next
we
have
the
lang
property
located
at
16,
620
wesley
chapel
road
in
moncton.
This
was
an
emergency
approval
for
an
abandoned
leaking
oil
tank
that
was
removed
from
under
the
porch
steps
county
council
district
number.
Three.
M
We
have
the
day
village
mcat
day,
village,
llc
property
located
at
511
north
avondale
road
in
dundalk,
and
it
was
a
part,
two
tax
credit
approval
for
commercial
rehabilitation,
county
council
district
number,
five
and
lastly,
we
have
the
agar
property
located
at
140
war,
one
stanmore
road,
rogers,
four,
another
emergency
review,
part
two
approval
for
in-kind
group,
repairs
and
county
council
district
number.
Five.
I
G
Just
have
one
other
thing
of
a
business,
so
I
just
wanted
to
introduce.
So
you
probably
see
the
name
jeffrey
uttermol
on
our
and
our
panelists
he's
our
new
office
of
law
representative,
and
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
him.
G
V
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Caitlin
I'd
just
like
to
say
to
hello
to
chairman
holman
and
the
commission
members,
I'm
jeff
udermall,
a
lawyer
with
the
county
office
of
law
and
as
a
as
a
long
time
county
resident.
I
appreciate
the
important
work
that
you
all
do
and
I'm
happy
to
be
representing
the
commission.
A
A
And
and
thank
you
to
caitlin
and
jessica
for
your
usual
thorough
work
and
preparedness
for
for
meetings
like
this.
I
know
that's
a
lot,
a
lot
of
detail
that
we
don't
see
going
on
behind
it
and
as
a
reward
for
that,
we'll
give
you
august
off
no
meeting
and
everybody
can
relax
and
we'll
be
back
in
september
and
enjoy
enjoy
the
balance
of
your
summer.
I
just
need
a
motion
to
adjourn.