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F
You
John,
yes,
I'm
I'm
here
too,
thank
you.
So
we
have
a
a
quorum
and
the
next
thing
we
will
do
is
to
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance,
and
so
we
will
stand
to
do
that
and
I
pledge
allegiance
of
the
United
States
of
America
to.
C
F
F
G
F
Additionally,
we
are
charged
with
evaluating
submissions
to
the
Baltimore
County
historic
tax
credit
program
that
encourages
the
appropriate
maintenance
and
renovation
of
designated
historic
properties.
Commissioners
have
already
introduced
themselves.
We've
already
done
the
pledge,
but
I'd
like
to
further
state
that
the
landmarks
preservation
commission
operates
under
the
Authority's
standards
and
requirements
of
Title
VII
article
32
of
the
Baltimore
County
code.
F
We
refer
to
the
United
States
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
as
administered
by
the
National
Park
Service.
This
is
the
accepted
National
Standard
for
historic
preservation
projects,
our
own
Baltimore
County,
historic
preservation,
design
guidelines
directly
reference
and
incorporate
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
for
rehabilitation.
F
We
have
important
preservation
issues
to
discuss
and
debate
at
each
meeting.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments,
please
limit
your
comments
to
the
specific
application
or
proposal
submission
being
reviewed.
We
ask
for
your
assistance
and
understanding
so
that
the
discussions
do
not
digress
as
an
additional
comment.
We
can
all
agree
that
historic
preservation
is
an
important
aspect
of
the
quality
of
life
and
place
that
makes
Baltimore
County
unique.
F
As
a
commission,
we
seek
to
recommend
significant
buildings
and
places
for
landmark
consideration
to
the
County
Council
for
their
final
vote
as
Commissioners.
We
serve
on
the
commission
to
do
our
expertise,
interest
and
passion
for
historic
buildings
and
places
and
review
submissions
based
solely
on
their
Merit.
While
we
may
disagree
in
discussion
and
voting,
we
continue
to
be
a
conclusial
body
that
respects
each
other
personally
and
professionally.
F
Thank
you.
So
the
first
sort
of
business
tonight
is
the
selection
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair
up
for
this
year.
On
the
commission,
we.
F
H
Go
ahead,
no,
it's
all
right,
just
a
staff
of
mind.
If
we're
offering
testimony,
we
updated
our
testimony
for
virtual
meetings
for
public
testimony,
so
members
of
the
public,
if
they
want
to
address
an
item
on
the
agenda,
they're,
going
to
register
to
speak
before
the
meetings,
but
staff
know
in
advance
or
when
they
submit
written
testimony.
This
doesn't
include
applicants
or
owners
or
project
reps.
They
don't
have
to
sign
up
to
speak
so
just
letting.
H
And
then
a
staff
reminder,
the
information
that's
presented
in
this
presentation
is
just
a
summary
and
overview
of
all
the
applications.
Each
commissioner
receives
an
application
packet
a
week
prior
to
the
meeting
that
includes
all
the
applications
plans
and
anything
included
that
was
submitted
with
application.
In
addition
to
some
information
that
staff
will
send
to
assist
with
the
review,
they
should
have
this
information
in
front
of
them
during
the
meeting
and
again
this
information.
F
Thank
you
Caitlin
sorry
I
overlooked
that
so
the
first
order
of
business
is
electing
a
chair
and
vice
chair
to
for
the
commission
for
the
coming
year.
F
So
I
I
will
accept
nominations
for
the
chair,
so.
F
F
F
One
is
great,
but
Commissioners
if
there
are
other
people,
other
nominations
from
the
floor.
F
D
A
B
A
F
A
F
Minutes
of
the
November
10th
meeting
any
corrections
or
additions
and
if
not
may
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
them.
F
C
F
A
F
E
Number:
six
for
the
Markowitz
property
located
at
118,
Osborne
Avenue
in
Old,
Catonsville,
County,
Council
district
one.
This
is
a
contributing
resource
within
the
old
Painesville
National
register.
Historic
district
and
the
owners
are
seeking
part
two
approval
for
the
installation
of
a
new
hot
water
boiler.
E
The
existing
gas
fire
hot
water
boiler
will
be
removed
and
replaced
with
a
New
Berlin
model
number
20
for
e
n
t,
o
103000
BTU
boiler
installation
will
include
all
necessary
water,
piping,
gas,
piping
flu
piping
and
electrical
wiring
stock
recommendations
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriates,
as
proposed
citing
Baltimore
County
code,
section
11-2-201.
E
Next
is
agenda
item
number:
seven:
the
seize
property
at
1605,
Front
Avenue
in
Lutherville,
County,
Council,
District
number
three.
This
is
a
non-contributing
resource
within
the
Lutherville
County
historic
district
and
the
owners
wish
to
construct
a
15-foot
by
25
foot
Greenhouse
located
in
the
rear
yard.
The
greenhouse
will
have
a
rectangular
wood
base
with
a
Konza
or
hoops
design
enclosing
the
Interior
Space
within
a
polycarbonate
plastic
cover.
The
property
is
located
on
just
under
a
half
acre
lot
that
is
long
and
narrow,
roughly
300
feet
by
70
feet.
E
The
property
is
located
along
the
western
boundary
of
the
historic
district
and
faces
the
railroad
tracks
and
is
surrounded
by
mature
trees
and
vegetation.
The
neighboring
properties
to
the
South
are
all
non-contributing
resources.
The
adjacent
property
to
the
north
is
a
large
law
containing
a
contributing
property.
With
a
lot
of
mature
vegetation
and
trees.
The
proposed
Greenhouse
will
be
set
back
and
most
likely
not
highly
visible
from
the
public.
F
Thank
you
Jessica
any
objections
to
to
either
six
or
seven
being
consent
items
returning
them
to
the
regular
agenda.
Are
we
okay
with
that
Theory.
J
H
F
F
Ray,
may
we
have
a
roll
code.
Roll
call
vote
then
to
approve
the
consent
items.
A
H
F
H
F
A
E
The
area
where
the
work
will
be
located
currently
consists
of
crush
gravel
with
a
Timber
retaining
wall
border
on
the
southwest
side
and
a
one-story
wood
entry
porch
on
the
south
Corner,
the
yard
will
be
graded
as
necessary
for
runoff
control
away
from
the
house.
The
project
consists
of
the
following
work
items
work,
one
work
item,
one
Hardscape,
porch
and
patio
construction,
the
wood
flooring
and
wood
stairs
on
the
existing
rear
side.
Entry
porch
will
be
removed
and
replaced
with
random
pattern.
E
Pennsylvania
Bluestone,
four,
the
new
Bluestone
floor
will
extend
beyond
the
existing
footprint
of
the
porch
to
create
a
larger
patio
that
will
have
a
retaining
wall
and
a
built-in
area
for
a
gas
grill.
The
existing
Forge
pillars
will
remain
in
place
and
support
the
existing
roof.
An
existing
Wood
Bridge
walkway
that
connects
the
porch
to
the
driveway
walkway
and
the
existing
Timber
retaining
walls
will
be
removed
to
accommodate
the
new
patio.
In
addition,
the
blue
stones
will
also
be
laid
along
the
span
of
the
rare
Southwest
Foundation,
replacing
the
existing
gravel
areas.
E
The
patio
area
labeled
as
a
Terrace
on
the
plans,
will
be
accessed
by
two
dry
laid
blue
stone,
Steps
From,
the
porch
patio
area,
the
rear
patio
Terrace
will
have
two
dry
laid
blue
stone
steps
and
will
provide
access
to
the
house
and
rear
patio
through
existing
French
doors.
Work
item
2
walkways
the
existing
17-foot
asphalt,
rear
walkway
that
leads
to
the
driveway
and
parking
area
located
on
the
south
corner
of
the
property
will
be
removed
and
replaced
with
Pennsylvania
blue
stone
to
match
the
rest
of
the
patio.
E
A
new
side,
walkway
of
blue
stone,
is
proposed
to
extend
from
the
existing
front,
walk
around
to
the
southeast
elevation
of
the
home
and
connect
the
new
patio
to
the
two
blue
stone
steps.
The
Lutherville
historic
advisory
committee
submitted
a
letter
in
support
of
the
property
owners
hardscaping
project.
This
was
included
in
your
application
packet
staff
finds
the
project
designed
to
be
compatible
with
a
historic
house
and
historic
district
and
finds
it
consistent
with
our
historic
design.
H
Don
just
to
let
you
know,
no,
nobody
from
the
public
signed
up
to
testify
for
this.
Thank.
F
You
hearing
on,
do
we
have
a
motion
to
I.
L
I
have
a
question,
oh
sure,
I
guess
I
was
just
wondering
how
the
Commissioners
felt
about
the
the
part
of
the
plan.
That's
labeled
as
a
patio
which
is
really
part
of
it,
is
a
covered
porch
area.
The
the
proposal
indicates
that
the
PO,
the
the
two
posts,
are
staying
along
with
the
roof
that
extends
Beyond
this
bump
out
and
in
the
other
plan
you
do.
This
is
called
the
layout
plan,
but
then
the
The
Hardscape
plan
shows
those
two
posts
as
remaining
and
I
believe.
L
My
question
is:
if
the
and
I
unders
from
what
I
understand
this
is
a
later
Edition,
but
if
this
existing
part
is
wood
and
that
line
of
if
you're,
looking
at
the
Elevate
at
the
pictures
in
the
back
or
in
this
area,
the
the
bump
out
has
this
nice
Rim
board
and
it
kind
of
continues
with
the
wood
porch
and
you
lose
that
completely
when
you
do
this
kind
of
random,
Stone,
larger,
so
I
guess
the
interface
of
the
of
the
existing
porch
wood
porch
to
this
Terrace.
L
It's
kind
of
inconsistent
with
that
vocabulary
of
the
wood,
now
being
all
changed
to
Stone
so
I.
My
question
was:
is
there
a
way
to
leave
to
delineate
and
leave
that
existing
wood,
grain
or
or
some
consistency
of
material
on
the
existing
part
and
then
add
to
it
instead
of
taking
it
all
out,
because
I
do
feel
like
now,
you're
going
to
get
basically
a
roof
with
the
two
posts
above
a
new,
a
new
Terrace,
and
so
it's
it
loses
that
original
delineation
of
porch.
H
We
have
the
property
owner
online
unmute
and
you
can
answer
questions
for
the
commission.
M
M
My
name
is
Wayne
friend
I'm,
the
owner
of
207
Morris
I,
heard
the
question
you
know,
I
think
to
your
point:
the
wood
boards.
There
are
not
part
of
the
historic
structure.
Quite
honestly,
if
you
look
at
the
original
pictures,
there's
a
crushed
gravel
note
that
currently
exists.
The
Landscaping
is
completely
unfinished
and
was
done
improperly,
so
that
wood
structure
has
is,
is
quite
honestly
failing
and
we
want
to
put
something
that
is
more
durable
than
that
wood
there.
M
In
fact,
the
front
porch,
if
you
were
to
look
at
it,
is
no
longer
the
wood,
it's
actually
Trex
material
that
was
installed
in
1994.
With
this
addition,
we
believe
one
you
won't.
You
don't
see
that
wood
at
all
from
any
public
access
and
we
believe
the
blue
stone
is
period,
appropriate,
location,
appropriate
and
we'll
actually
tie
into
the
larger
footprint
that
is
being
installed
here.
F
F
F
A
F
You
thank
you
Wendy
and
then
we
need
a
vote.
Please
Jessica
roll
call.
C
A
Problem,
thank
you
Lily.
Yes,.
K
E
E
This
is
the
major
B
property
at
5116
South
rolling
Grove
in
relay
County
Council
District
number
one.
It's
a
contributing
structure
within
the
relay
County
historic
district
and
the
owners
wish
to
remove
the
existing
Cedar
Shake
siding
to
reveal
the
original
German
siding
on
all
elevations
of
the
home.
The
German
siding
will
be
sanded
patched
as
needed
with
light
carpentry
and
finish
work.
Additionally,
all
windows
and
sashes
will
be
prepped
and
painted
with
a
single
coat
of
oil
paint
primer
and
a
coat
of
finished.
E
Color
paint
staff
recommends
approval
with
the
following
conditions:
exterior
wood
repairs
such
as
patching
or
Dutchman
repairs
must
be
done
as
per
standard
number,
six,
with
in-kind,
Replacements
that
match
existing
in
material
Dimensions
design,
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities,
and,
second,
that
in
prepping,
the
exterior
for
painting
wooden
features
must
be
cleaned
using
the
gentlest
means
possible
as
per
standard
number.
Seven
gentle
methods
include
using
hand
sanding
and
hand
scraping
for
paint
removal
and
water-based
Solutions
with
mild
detergent,
and
soft
bristle
brushes
are
recommended
for
historic
wooden
repairs.
E
Power
washing
is
not
a
recommended
treatment
and
it
utilized
to
be
done
with
caution
and
at
a
low
pressure
so
not
to
damage
the
wood.
A
primer
must
be
applied
on
prep
surface,
with
adequate
time
to
dry
before
applying
a
square
paint.
The
staff
votes
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
the
following
conditions.
E
H
No
one
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
and
I,
don't
believe
the
property
owner
is
online.
Okay,.
D
G
F
A
E
This
is
a
final
landmark
number
105,
the
price
house
or
the
freeze
house,
and
the
owners
have
proposed
an
ex
post
factor,
review
of
various
exterior
alterations,
code
enforcement,
correction
notice,
number
cb160086
and
as
well
as
the
return
of
various
exterior
features
to
the
front
facade,
a
constituent
inquiry
was
received
in
response
to
recent
exterior
Renovations
for
the
final
landmark
and
a
correction
notice
was
issued
on
November
22nd
2022..
E
The
price
house
was
constructed
in
the
late
19th
century
in
the
folk
Victorian
style,
with
various
cross
Gables
romanens
of
Downing
and
Vogue
Cottages.
The
house
was
added
to
the
final
landmarks
list
in
1991
for
its
architecture
and
material
Integrity.
The
present
owners
purchased
the
property
in
April
2022
and
made
major
renovations
to
the
interior
and
exterior
subsequently
putting
the
house
on
the
market.
I
E
November
of
2022.,
the
final
Landmark
status
was
not
disclosed
to
the
current
owner
upon
purchasing
the
home,
and
they
were
unaware
of
the
code.
Requirements
for
exterior
alterations
for
landmarks
staff
does
know
that
the
previous
owners
were
aware
of
the
landmark
status
as
the
property
received.
The
correction
notice
in
March
of
2016.
between
April
2016
and
October
2018.
The
previous
owners
were
in
contact
with.
C
E
In
the
mean
materials
packet
password
that
was
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
LPC
included
the
in-kind,
repair,
replacement
and
painting
of
exterior
signing
and
trim
and
porch
a
replacement
of
two
existing
replacement
windows
in
the
kitchen
with
true
divided
pane
wood
windows
to
match
the
original
openings,
securing
the
existing
first
floor
window,
openings
with
Plywood
And
or
existing
shutters,
securing
existing
second
and
third
floor
window
openings
as
proposed,
maintain
plywood
over
first
floor
Windows
maintain
vinyl
on
second
and
third
floor.
Windows
vinyl
was
installed
without
approval
and
was
denied.
E
However,
in
October
of
2018,
the
owner
mentioned
that
she
was
planning
on
selling
the
house
and
asked
that
it
be
maintained.
No
photos
of
the
house
from
early
2022
were
included
with
the
application
LPC
files
from
the
previous
code
enforcement
case
documents.
The
house
from
March
2016
to
January
2019.
E
M
M
E
E
Sorry,
that's:
okay,
okay,
so,
okay,
so
we,
the
current
owners,
are
seeking
an
ex
post
facto
review
of
various
exterior
alterations
for
the
following
work.
Items.
First
is
exterior
door
Replacements.
The
application
noted
that
previous
front
entry
located
on
the
south
elevation
was
boarded
at
the
time
of
purchase
and
the
new
door
was
installed.
In
addition,
a
new
side,
entry
opening
and
door
were
installed
on
the
North
elevation
to
provide
access
to
the
existing
rear.
E
Porch
staff
has
no
issues
with
the
replacement
of
the
door
on
the
rear
that
provides
access
to
the
rear
porch,
as
is
located
on
the
rear
and
is
not
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
from
SAS
photos
from
2016
and
2017.
The
original
side,
lights
and
transoms
are
present
and
visible.
The
stylights
and
transoms
are
features
of
front
entry
doors
on
folk,
Victorian
house
styles,
regardless.
If
the
original
door
or
transomen
side
lights
that
were
present
or
not,
the
existing
opening
was
expanded
and
a
large
modern
saw
replacement
door
was
installed.
E
Our
design
guidelines,
State
the
original
exterior
doors
must
be
repaired
and
when
repair
is
not
feasible
or
the
door
is
missing,
it
should
be
replaced
in
kind
with
a
door
that
replicates
the
original
door
in
size,
material
profile,
number
of
panels
and
other
character
defining
features
when
the
door
is
missing
and
no
evidence
exists.
A
replacement
door
style
should
be
consistent
with
the
House's
architectural
style.
E
In
addition,
transom
sides
and
fan
lights
are
important
components
of
a
historic
door
and
must
be
replicated
to
match
the
original
door
frame
and
design
materials,
type
of
glass
and
pattern
design.
Both
the
openings,
expanded
size
and
replacement
door
are
not
compatible
with
the
style
of
the
house
and
do
not
need
our
design
guidelines.
E
Staff
does
not
recommend
approval
for
the
expansion
and
replacement
of
the
front
entry
as
completed
staff
recommends
that
the
front
door
replacement,
be
removed
and
a
more
compatible
wood
door
with
side
lights
and
transoms
that
match
the
photos
from
2016
and
2017
be
returned
to
the
house.
Work
item
number
two
windows:
the
applicant
noted
the
following
changes
occurred.
E
All
existing
windows
were
replaced
with
one
over
one
vinyl
sashes
on
the
northwest
elevation
close
to
bond
avenue
10
existing
three
over
one
windows
were
replaced
with
one
over
one
vinyl
windows.
No
information
was
provided
about
the
previously
existing
Windows
material.
On
the
front
facade,
the
Gable
Wing
windows
were
adjusted
to
accommodate
the
first
floor.
Kitchen
layout
and
infrastructure
updates
three
of
the
existing
Windows,
including
one
four
over
four
Center
window
on
the
second
level
and
two
floor-to-ceiling
windows
on
the
first
level
were
enclosed
and
covered
with
shingles.
Two
arch
windows
were
replaced.
E
One
on
the
northwest
elevation
was
removed
to
accommodate
the
HVAC
unit
located
in
the
attic
space
on
the
rear.
Four
windows
were
removed
and
enclosed
and
covered
with
shingles
two
Center
windows
and
two
on
the
second
story
of
the
rear.
Gable
Wing
Arch
cross
Gable
window
was
replaced
now
in
the
South
elevation.
Three
openings
were
enclosed,
including
a
door
opening
covered
with
shingles
how
the
applicant
noted
that
the
majority
of
Windows
and
shutters
were
previously
removed
and
are
boarded
with
plywood
at
the
time
of
purchase.
E
However,
no
detailed
information
about
the
style,
material
or
conditions
were
provided
with
their
application
staff
notes.
Originally
the
house
had
42
Windows,
two
of
which
were
previous
Replacements,
located
on
the
North
side
closest
to
bond
avenue
in
the
former
kitchen,
the
previously
existing
Windows
included
a
mix
of
two
over
two
four
over
one
and
six
over
one
wood
windows
and
three
two
over
one
arched
windows
in
the
cross
Gables.
So
there
were
14
windows
on
the
first
floor,
16
on
the
second
and
12
on
the
third.
E
Our
design
guidelines
state
that
changing
the
location
covering
up
changing
the
dimensions
of
a
window
opening
or
adding
new
windows
is
not
appropriate
as
it
disturbs
the
structure's
Rhythm
and
undermines
the
historic
Integrity.
The
LPC
does
on
occasion
approve
in
closing,
enlarging
or
adding
a
window
at
the
rear
or
other
portions
of
the
house
that
are
not
visible
from
the
street.
If
the
proposal
was
the
historic
character
of
the
house.
In
addition,
our
design
guidelines
state
that
historic
wood
windows
must
be
retained
and
repaired.
E
If
they
cannot
be
repaired,
they
must
be
replaced
in
kind,
meaning.
Replacements
Mr
maths
must
match
the
original.
In
size,
slash
and
light
configuration
and
other
visual
qualities.
In
addition,
it
states
a
vinyl
or
metal
Cloud
windows
are
not
permitted,
as
replacement
material
in
historic
dwellings.
Windows
are
character,
defining
features
on
historic
homes,
the
style
Arrangement
size
are
all
indicative
to
a
house's
architectural
style
and
the
period
it
was
constructed
from
looking
at
current
photos
of
the
house,
staff
noticed
that
the
replacement
windows
also
appear
to
be
smaller
than
the
previously
existing
window
openings.
E
You
can
easily
see
where
the
shingles
were
filled
in
the
front.
Gable
Wing
window
replacements
do
not
align
vertically
and
look
out
of
place.
The
floor-to-ceiling
porch
windows
are
a
Hallmark
characteristic
of
the
folk
Victorian
house,
styles,
their
enclosure
dimensions
and
overall
character
of
the
house.
In
addition,
the
replacement
window,
sizes,
style
and
materials
do
not
match
what
previously
existed
on
the
house.
As
per
our
design
guidelines.
E
Staff
understands
that
the
only
visible
facade
is
the
front
from
bond
avenue
from
the
railroad
side
and
that
some
of
the
windows
on
the
rear
and
side
elevations
that
were
six
over
six
appear
to
be
earlier
Replacements.
So
two
over
two
were
most
likely
to
be
original.
The
following
recommendations
are
for
the
front
facade
only
to
not
to
approve
the
window
enclosures
and
Replacements
on
the
front
facade
as
they
do
not
follow
our
design
guidelines,
remove
all
windows
and
open
all
window
enclosures
and
install
wood.
E
True,
divided
light
windows
that
match
the
previously
existing
window,
Styles
and
dimensions,
Gable,
Wing
Windows,
needs
to
be
removed
and
replaced
with
a
window
that
matches
closely
to
what
previously
existed
and
to
return
the
two
arch
windows
in
the
cross
gables
on
the
third
floor,
although
South's
recommendations
do
not
address
all
alterations
to
the
exterior
IT
addresses
the
changes
on
the
primary
facade,
which
is
the
most
visible
elevation.
These
recommendations
will
bring
some
of
the
alterations
in
compliance
with
our
design
guidelines
and
return.
E
Important
features
to
the
house
work
item
number
three:
the
front
porch
application
notes
that
the
time
at
the
time
of
purchase
the
front
porch
had
been
dismantled
and
the
stairs
were
removed.
The
current
owner
owners
reconstructed,
the
front,
porch
roof
deck
railing
and
stairs.
The
existing
columns
will
retained
in
new
lattice
and
lighting
was
installed.
E
Staff
notes
that
the
location
of
the
porch
stairs
have
been
moved,
although
not
ideal,
the
location
does
not
distract
or
take
away
from
the
character
of
the
porch
staff
recommends
to
issue
a
notice
to
proceed
as
completed
for
the
porch
work.
Work
item
number
four
pathways.
An
application
also
includes
work
for
new
Pathways.
However,
this
is
not
part
of
the
lpc's
purview,
since
the
property
does
not
have
a
setting.
E
E
work.
Item
number
five
decorative,
Thunder,
stable
detail.
The
applicant
wishes
to
recreate
the
original
decorative
Sunburst
on
the
front,
Southwest
elevation
that
were
removed
by
the
previous
owners.
The
sunbursts
will
be
custom,
made
from
pressure,
treated
lumber,
trim
pieces
and
will
be
installed
just
above
the
attic,
HVAC
ventilation.
As
seen
in
the
current
2022
images,
the
sunbursts
will
be
slightly
smaller
than
the
original
due
to
attic
ventilation
requirements.
While
staff
has
no
issues
with
this,
however,
they
would
like
to
see
more
detailed
drawings
and
plans
of
the
Summers
from
our
files.
E
E
E
Piece
and
a
smaller
size
will
make
them
look
out
of
place.
Staff
recommends
integrating
the
HVAC
Bend
into
the
Slumbers
from
the
2016
photo.
You
can
see
that
the
Sunburst
comes
out
of
the
facade
several
inches
and
would
be
allowing
for
event
to
be
hidden.
Underneath
staff
encourages
the
commission
to
discuss
this
more
work.
Item
number
six,
install
vinyl
shingles
the
applicant
proposes
to
remove
the
previously
installed
lap,
vinyl
siding
on
the
third
story
levels
and
replaced
with
boundary.
E
7-Inch
staggered
shaped,
vinyl
siding
to
mimic
the
existing
original
theater
shakes
shingles
present
on
all
other
levels.
Staff
would
like
to
note
that
the
houses
she's
been
shingles
as
the
surface
appears
to
be
smooth
and
does
not
have
the
rough
surface
texture
as
shapes.
No
information
was
provided
if
the
original
wood
shingles
remained
underneath
staff
encourages
the
commission
to
discuss.
E
This
staff
recommends
that
if
the
original
wood
shingles
are
underneath
that
they
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
with
vinyl,
otherwise,
staff
recommends
replacing
the
vinyl
with
wood
shingles
that
match
the
texture
pattern
and
dimensions
of
the
existing
of
shingle
siding
work.
Item
number
seven
gingerbread,
porch
trim
the
applicant
proposes
to
replicate
the
gingerbread
trim
detail
that
previously
existed
on
the
porch
cornice.
The
trim
will
be
custom
milled
to
recreate
the
decorative
pattern
as
close
as
possible
to
the
original.
E
A
section
of
the
original
trim
was
retained
for
reference
staff,
encourages
the
commission
to
ask
if
the
applicant
plans
to
add
the
decorative
brackets
and
dental
work
on
the
porch
cornice.
Seen
from
the
2016
photos,
staff
recommends
approval
with
the
conditions
that
the
brackets
the
dential
details
be
returned
to
the
porch
cornice
as
well.
Work
item
number
eight,
the
faux
arched
windows.
The
applicant
proposes
to
recreate
the
two
arch
Windows
located
on
the
third
level
of
the
front
elevation
by
custom.
Fabricating
grounded
trim
installed
above
the
existing
one
over
one
vinyl
window.
E
An
obscured
custom
cut
piece
of
glass
from
Hodges
window
and
glass
will
be
installed
within
the
semi-circle
of
each
window
trim
in
order
to
mimic
the
original
arched.
Windows
staff
appreciates
the
applicant's
attempt
to
return
this
feature
to
the
house.
However,
staff
would
like
to
see
more
detailed
information
about
how
this
will
be
done
in
the
existing
space.
E
E
The
removal
of
the
vinyl
windows
on
the
front
elevation
and
replaced
with
wood.
True,
divided
light
double
hung.
Sash
windows
that
match
the
previously
existing
windows
in
size
and
style,
including
the
two
arch
windows
on
the
third
floor,
to
remove
the
enclosed
window
openings
and
return
a
new
wood
window
that
matches
the
previously
existing
windows
in
size
and
style
and
for
the
new
work
items
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work,
item
number
six
and
seven
with
the
following
conditions.
E
But
after
removing
the
vinyl
siding
and
existing
wood
shingles
are
present,
underneath
they
must
be
repaired
and
replaced
in
kind
as
needed.
If
there
is
no
existing
wood
shingles
underneath
they
must
be
replaced
using
an
in-kind
material
similar
to
the
wood
shingles
on
the
rest
of
the
house,
replacement
shingle
material
specifications
should
be
sent
to
staff
prior
to
installation
or
the
front
porch.
The
gingerbread
porch
trim
details
shall
also
include
the
brackets
and
then
teal
date.
Details
from
the
previous
porch
cornice
votes,
not
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
notice
to
proceed
for
work.
E
And
I'm
sorry
John
just
one
moment:
we
we
have
a
comment
asking
if
the
windows
on
the
front
facade
should
also
be
in
alignment
with
what
was
previously
existing.
So
the
commission
could
please
just.
H
Us
yeah
no
one
signed
up
from
the
public
to
testify,
but
we
do
have
the
owners
and
the
representatives
online
just
give
me
one.
Second,
thank.
F
H
So
we
have
Eugene
Cogan
and
Travis
lachmann,
Travis
and
Eugene.
You
are
now
unmuted.
F
Live,
we
can't
hear
you.
O
O
No,
you
know
I
think
the
main
portion
that
we
wanted
to
get
across
to
is.
This
is
very
poorly
that
we
didn't.
We
just
had
no
idea
about
this
any
of
the
Historic
Landmark
guidelines.
When
we
bought
this
property
it
was
directly
as
a
private
sale.
We
do
like
marketing
and
essentially
she
reached
out
to
us-
and
it
was
a
very
quick
transaction
with
no
disclosures
about
anything
that
had
happened
in
the
past.
O
So
we
kind
of
just
immediately
began
our
process
and
from
the
moment
we
started
the
place
was
just
in
severely
damaged
condition
and
all
you
know,
interior
and
exterior,
and
had
been
that
way,
I
think
for
15
plus
years,
so
anyhow,
that's
kind
of
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
without
any
you
know,
understanding
from
your
board.
So
that's
where
we
are
now
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
clear.
O
It
wasn't
something
we
were
doing
intention
by
any
means
and
anyhow
that's
why
we
went
ahead
and
did
our
best
to
propose
some
corrections,
as
we
could
in.
O
F
My
suggestion
to
the
board-
and
let
me
preface
it
with
us
I
so
appreciate,
Caitlyn
and
Jessica,
and
their
team's
hard
work
going
through
this
piece
by
piece.
But
my
suggestion
to
the
board
is
that
for
the
moment
we
just
consider
the
work
in
its
entirety
and
the
house
in
its
entirety
and
what
we
think
should
be
done.
Any
other
extenuating
circumstances
on
whether
they
knew
or
did
not
know
I
think
we
will
deal
with
as
a
secondary
issue.
F
Typically,
of
course,
our
position
is
that
not
knowing
about
landmark
status
is
not
an
excuse
not
to
protect
the
building
but
I.
Again,
let's
set
that
aside
for
the
moment
and
just
concentrate
on
what
we
think
of
the
work
and
what
might
be
done
to
remediate
it.
So
with
that
I
open
it
to
the
commission.
K
G
K
F
Okay,
and
so
the
path
to
that
would
be
engaging
an
architect,
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
I,.
D
D
Don't
trust
it
at
this
point
looking
at
how
they
did
that
front
facade
with
this
beautiful
array
of
Windows,
positioned,
symmetrically
and
beautifully,
and
then
just
sort
of
randomly
like
through
windows
at
the
facade
and
they're
just
all
over
the
place,
and
it
just
I
I
think
you
need
a
set
of
real
drawings
that
show
how
it's
going
to
be
put
back
Dimensions
how
the
trim
works,
the
width
of
the
trim
we
need
they
have.
We
need
a
set
of
architectural
drawings
that
are
done
by
someone
who
knows
understands
how
architectural
historic
buildings
work.
D
K
B
Other
comments,
yeah
kind
of
picking
up
what
Ed
was
saying,
because
that
was
going
to
be
my
suggestion
as
to
whether
or
not
they
had
thought
about
contacting
someone
with
historical
renovation
or
Rehabilitation
background
in
architecture.
F
So
if,
if
that's
kind
of
a
direction,
we're
thinking
about
to
what
what
would
be
the
scope
of
work,
our
professional
staff
concentrated
on
the
front?
Is
that
satisfactory
to
the
commission?
Or
do
we
need
to
do
do
more?.
D
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
all
the
facades
and
I
think
they
need
to
be
some
of
them.
Maybe
you
can
the
drawing
shows
less,
and
maybe
you
keep
some
of
the
stuff
in
the
back,
but
clearly
the
front
and
anything
visible
from
the
street
should
be
put
back
the
way
it
was
I
mean
it
it's.
This
is
a
landmark
building.
We
just
reviewed
a
building.
That
was
a
contributing
structure
that
wanted
to
take
off
the
old.
D
The
society
that
was
put
on
top
and
restored
German
siding,
and
we
told
them
to
to
you,
know,
make
sure
it's
matched
and
follows
the
Department
of
Interiors
guidelines.
This
is
such
a.
This
is
a
landmark.
This
is
not
just
a
contributing
building,
it's
a
landmark
structure
and
the
fact
that
it's
done
the
way
it's
done
with
removing
windows
and
misaligning
them
is
just
I.
Don't
know
how
anyone
could
do
that.
I,
don't
care
if
you
thought
it
was
historic
or
not,
I
would
have
lined
them
up.
I
mean
it's
just
a
normal
design.
D
Anybody
with
any
design
sense
would
do
that.
I
mean
I
I,
just
don't
get
it
so
I
think
we
need
real
drawings,
real
thing
and
I
think
they
ought
to
come
back
with
those
real
drawings
and
I
think
it
ought
to
show
all
the
facades
and
how
they're
treating
each
of
the
facades
and
what
they're
going
to
do
with
them.
K
K
Extent
allowable
by
code
or
or
commission
or
easement,
whatever
you
want
to
say
there,
okay.
F
G
G
You
know
and
I
think
creating
a
drawing
that
that
illustrates
that
I
think
you
know
my
my
sense
is
that
much
of
what
was
done
on
the
rear
can
probably
be
you
know
recognized,
as
you
know,
and
I
think
we'd
have
to
take
a
look
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
was
you
know
there
before,
but
I
think
what
I
see
from
what
was
there
before
and
what's
bordered
up
to?
What's?
What's
there
is
the
most
of
what
was
on
done
on
the
back
recognizes.
G
You
know
the
the
openings
that
were
part
of
that
original
structure
and
I
think
the
the
worst
you
know
offense
is
the
the
front
of
the
building
there.
So
so
I
would
concur.
Concur
with
ad,
but
I
think
you
know,
make
the
the
focus
what's
visible
and
probably
the
most
egregious
edits
to
the
building.
There.
F
B
Yeah
my
question:
is
it
what
were
the
pictures
available
of
what
the
the
house,
the
home
look
like
prior
to
purchase.
O
So
we've
got
the
the
essentially
the
photos
from
like
2019,
but
we
don't
have
anything
else.
I
mean
as
far
as
the
facade
we
have
some
interior
stuff
that
has
like
you
know
just
some
of
the
infrastructure
updates
and
we
we
can
send
the
photos
that
we
have.
You
know
and,
and
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
to
you
guys.
We
we
certainly
did
go
through
the
channels
of
of
permits.
O
You
know
we
pulled
Electrical,
Plumbing
I
mean
we
did.
We
did
kind
of
work
through
all
the
counties
guidelines
from
a
construction
standpoint
with
the
the
upgrades
done
so.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
clarification
Travis,
so
so
what
I'm
hearing
from
from
the
commission
is
The
Germ
of
a
resolution
that
would
say
to
please
remand
this
back
to
the
owner
to
gather
an
arc,
an
architect
into
the
discussion
to
recreate
the
facade
and
the
and
the
exterior
more
to
what
it
was
originally
so.
What
I'm
hearing
and
with
somebody
make
that
emotion,
if
that's
what
I'm,
if
I'm
catching
the
right
sense
of
it,.
K
D
Okay,
the
we
would
like
to
see
this
is
the
entire
thing
we're
rejecting.
We
would
like
to
see
them
come
back
with
drawings
of
all
the
facades
and
with
paying
particular
attention
to
bringing
the
front
facade
back
to
the
way
it
used
to
look
and-
and
it
doesn't
mean
just
sort
of
leaving
a
window
there
and
putting
a
fake
piece
of
glass
above
it.
It's
you
know
for
the
for
that
Attic
Window,
it's
really
putting
it
back
to
the
same
dimensions.
D
G
F
You
Chris
thank
you
Chris
and
Wendy,
so
so
we
have
a
motion
in
front
of
us
any
further
discussion
just
to.
I
Make
sure
I
just
want
to
want
to
ad
I
mean
it
we
that
we
had
in
our
packets.
Some,
you
know,
photos
going
back
to
2016.,
I
I
would
advise
that.
Could
those
be
shared
with
the
with
the
owner
and
also
suggest
that
the
owner?
Might
you
know,
with
this
architect,
do
some
additional
historic
research
to
see
if
there
are
any
additional
photos,
you
know
going
back
even
further
to
Aid
in
restoring
it
back
to
its
its
original.
N
Can
I
say
something?
Yes,
please
sorry
hi!
Sorry,
a
couple
of
the
windows
I
just
wanted
to
mention
when
they
were
boarded
up
and
you
somewhat
I
think
it
was
John
or
Ed.
Someone
mentioned
why
I
guess
they
were
moved
or
you
know
the
previous
owner
moved
them
where
they
were
aligned
was
because
the
specific
duct
work
that
is
run
between
the
drywall.
N
That
is
why
also
the
up
top
window
all
the
way
in
the
Attic
where
the
sun
bursts
were
mentioned
to
go.
That
window
was
all
the
way
to
the
bottom.
The
previous
I
guess
go
back
to
the
there.
You
go
and
buy
code
buy
Baltimore
County
code.
It
cannot
pass
inspection
because
that
specific
window
was
all
the
way
to
the
floor
and
a
child
can
fall
out.
If
you
can
look
zoom
in
on
both
those
windows
where
the
sunbursts
are
underneath,
they
actually
go
all
the
way
to
the
bottom.
N
A
child
can
fall
out.
That
house
was
vacant
for
over
15
years.
Anyone
could
walk
in
walk
out
and
just
fall
out.
So
that's
why
they're
like
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear
and
also
if
you
can
go
back
to
another
item,
the
the
the
back
of
the
house
where
the
patio
is
or
the
porch
dot
right
there.
No
that's
the
front.
Go!
Go
to
the
other
picture.
Sorry.
N
D
Struggling
about
the
Attic
Window
talk
to
your
architect.
There
are
ways
to
deal
with
that
that
allow
you
to
do
the
window
just
like
that,
like
it
was
and
provide
protection
you
there
are
ways
to
do
it.
An
architect
will
know
what
to
do.
Get
someone
that
knows
this
story,
reservation
and
you'll
find
someone
that
will
be
able
to
help
you
with
that,
and
if
the
windows
don't
align,
because
you
put
in
duct
work
in
a
place
where
you
can
get
the
windows
in
I,
you're
gonna
have
to
move
the
ductwork.
I
D
Well,
but
I
would
also
say
that
if,
if
they
put
in
docs
that
can
that
require
them
to
move
the
windows,
so
they've
got
this
hodgepodge
of
Windows
on
the
outside.
The
Ducks
are
in
the
wrong
location.
Maybe
the
the
way
you've
done.
The
Ducks
I
hate
to
tell
you
to
redo
things,
but
I,
don't
know
what
else
you
can
do
you're
going
to
have
to
to
make
it
look
like
it
did
before.
H
Depending
on
the
the
project
it
would
be,
but
because
this
is
a
because
they're,
it's
based
technically
not
their
primary
residence.
It
wouldn't
okay,
wouldn't
really
qualify
under
the
commercial
because
it
wouldn't
be
a
large
enough
sum
to
make
it
make
it
worthwhile
to
get
the
commercial
tax
credits.
F
I
G
F
You
and
and
to
to
the
owners,
thank
you
for
being
with
us
tonight
and
you
can
be
in
touch
with
Caitlyn
and
Jessica,
and
they
will
give
you
some
guidance
to
how
to
proceed
with
that
motion.
E
E
This
is
a
final
landmark
number
181
Union
of
brothers
and
sisters,
Laura,
Lee,
School,
the
union
of
brothers
and
sisters
literally
school
is
a
vernacular
frame
structure
originally
constructed
in
1874
and
served
as
a
local
school
and
as
a
lodge
hall
for
the
African-American
community
of
Laura
Lee,
it
was
placed
on
the
final
landmarks
list
in
September
2000
staff
provided
the
properties
Maryland
inventory
form
to
the
Commissioners
in
the
meeting
materials
packet,
and
just
to
note
that
the
house
was
relocated,
75
feet,
Northeast
from
its
original
location,
on
Philadelphia
Road
to
its
current
location,
sometime
in
the
late
in
2005
or
2006.
E
So
it's
really
just
set
back
from
the
road
a
little
bit
the
applicant
is
proposing
the
following
work.
Items
work
item
number
one
window
repair
the
applicant
proposes
to
repair
all
10
existing
Windows.
The
windows
appear
to
be
wood.
Six
over
six
sashes.
The
repairs
will
include
the
following:
replacing
glazing,
replace
broken
glass
where
needed,
and
interior
and
exterior
trim
will
be
repaired.
Scraped
and
painted
staff
asked
the
commission
to
confirm
the
types
of
repairs
that
will
be
made
to
the
Truman
cells.
E
Work
item
number
two
shutter
replacements,
all
shutter
sets
12
and
Associated
Hardware
will
be
replaced
in
kind.
The
application
did
not
provide
a
lot
of
information
about
the
existing
shutters
condition
or
its
style
from
the
photos
submitted.
There
appeared
to
be
two
or
three
pairs
of
Blue
Ridge
trailers.
The
application
stated
that
the
new
shutters
will
match
the
existing.
However,
no
additional
information
about
the
design
of
the
replacement
shutters
was
provided.
E
Mark
item
number
three
return
of
two
windows
where
they
were
previously
existing.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
return
two
windows
on
the
first
floor
of
the
front
elevation
where
two
windows
previously
existed
as
seen
in
an
older
photo.
The
application
indicates
that
selective
demolition
will
be
done
to
determine
the
exact
location
of
the
previously
enclosed
window
frames
and
that
they
will
be
aligned
with
the
windows.
On
the
second
story,
however,
the
plans
that
were
submitted
show
a
bathroom
on
the
first
floor
that
would
prevent
the
windows
to
be
vertically
aligned.
E
Staff
asked
the
commission
to
clarify
this.
The
Replacements
will
be
wood,
custom
fabricated
to
match
the
window,
profiles,
rails
and
mountains
of
the
existing
windows.
So
staff
recommendation
is
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
the
following
conditions:
one
that
would
window
repairs
such
as
patching
or
Dutchman.
Repairs
must
be
done
as
per
standard
number.
Six,
with
in-kind
repairs
that
naturally
existing
in
material
Dimensions,
design,
color,
textures
and
other
visual
qualities
and
two
that
I'm
prepping,
the
exterior
for
painting
wooden
features
must
be
cleaned
using
the
gentlest
means
possible
as
per
standard
number.
E
Six
General
methods
includes
using
hand
sanding
and
hand
scraping
for
paint
removal
and
water-based
Solutions
with
mild
detergents
and
soft
bristles
brush
are
recommend,
are
recommended
for
historic
wooden
repairs.
Power
washing
is
not
recommended
treatment
and,
if
utilized,
it
must
be
done
with
caution
and
at
a
low
pressure
so
not
to
damage
the
wood.
A
primer
must
be
applied
on
prep
surfaces
with
adequate
time
to
dry
before
applying
exterior
paints
and
three
specifications
for
the
incline.
H
F
F
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
add
to
that
introduction?
Dominic.
P
Oh
with
this
particular
property,
it
is
two
windows
that
were
previously
covered
up
and
those
those
two
windows
are
actually
have
been
uncovered
from
the
interior,
so
you
could
actually
see
the
framework.
That's
actually
there,
two
pieces
of
of
wood
was
was
placed
in
the
center
of
those
two
windows
to
actually
accommodate
the
sheetrock,
so
we
removed
those
and
I
think
if
you
go
back
to
an
interior
photo.
P
Let
me
see
not
that
one
it's
another
interior
photo
where
it
actually
shows
the
window
placement
and
the
framework
is
already
there.
All
we
have
to
do
is
remove
the
siding
from
the
exterior
and
it
it
does
align
that
bathroom.
That
was
actually
constructed.
It's
right
to
the
edge
of
of
the
of
the
window,
so
it
wouldn't
impede
putting
the
windows
back
also
also
the
the
windows
themselves.
P
We
actually
had
a
a
woodworker
actually
create
the
bit
profile
for
the
wood
and
the
shutters
that
way
we
can
return
those
shutters
back
to
the
period.
We
also
actually
had
the
hinges.
It's
also
included
in
the
packet
to
where
the
hinges
are
so
the
so
the
shutters
can
actually
open
and
close.
You
know,
based
on
the
the
shutters
that
were
actually
above
above
the
the
two
windows
that
we
want
to
replace
the
shutters
in
the
rear
of
the
of
the
rear
of
the
property
they're.
P
Actually
just
plywood
and
I
think
that's
actually
in
one
of
the
pictures
as
well
in
the
packet.
So
we're
going
to
recreate
all
of
those
shutters
based
on
the
profile
of
the
existing
shutters
in
the
front.
So
those
shutters
that
are
in
the
front
were
so
badly
deteriorated
that
they
can't
be
repaired,
but
the
windows
themselves.
They
can
be
so,
where
appropriate,
we're
actually
just
going
to
repair
the
windows
and
and
fix
what
we
can
fix
with
the
materials
that
is
appropriate
and
I.
Think
that's
all
that
I
have.
P
So
I'm
actually
I'm
Echo.
It
is
my
understanding
that
the
building
is
currently
used
to
hold
Lodge
meetings
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
that's
it
I
think
that
the
young
lady
that
I
spoke
with
who
actually
awarded
me
the
contract
to
actually
do
the
preservation
work.
She
said
they
hold
meetings
there
and
they
were
thinking
about
returning
it.
It's
only
two
rooms,
so
the
first
floor
is
roughly
about
15
by
20
or
something
like
that.
P
They
actually
hold
meetings,
and
they
were
thinking
about.
You
know
doing
some
form
of
tours,
but
it's
not
very,
it's
not
very
big.
So
you
can't
it's
not
a
whole
lot.
You
can
do,
but
that's
what
she
explained
to
me.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
there's
another
point
of
interest.
Some
of
the
Commissioners
may
remember
Lewis
Diggs,
who
served
on
this
body,
and
this
this
building
was
included
in
one
of
his
his
books.
All
that
being
said,
any
comments
from
the
Commissioners
I.
F
B
Glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
that's
first
thing
that
I
thought
of
I
had
the
opportunity
to
to
work
with
Mr
Diggs,
as
on
one
of
his
on
the
board
of
the
Dick
Johnson,
Museum
and
I
know
that
he
there
were
any
number
of
structures
that
he
was
instrumental
in
getting
them
on
the
list
of
historic
properties
from
Maryland
and
when
I
looked
at
this
building.
B
The
first
thing
I
thought
of
is
because
we
have
a
building
in
the
community.
I
live
in
that
is
used
as
a
center
for
activities
for
the
community,
but
also
civic
league
meetings,
and
was
discovered
that
it
was
not
only
a
the
Halethorpe
color
school,
but
it
was
a
Rosenwald
school.
Oh.
F
B
F
Is
it
is
any
other
comments
from
the
commissioners.
G
I
just
wanted
to
share
I'm
happy
that
the
it
sounds
like
the
bathroom
doesn't
interfere
with
the
windows
aligning
top
and
bottom,
and
that's
that's
good
to
know,
because
I
was.
G
Suggest
that
we
get
those
to
align,
but
that's
great.
F
And
hearing
no
other
comments
is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
G
L
J
G
K
F
Yes,
thank
you
Jessica,
and
then
we
have
some
historic
review
applications
for
tax
credits.
E
So
first
we
have
Wells
property,
305
Hopkins
Road
in
Rogers
four.
This
was
an
emergency
repair
to
the
front,
asphalt
roof,
Joyce
property,
518
Murdock
Road
in
Annelise,
National
register
historic
district.
This
is
a
part.
Two
tax
credit
approval
for
front
porch,
bead
board
ceiling
replacement,
French
porch
steps,
reporting
garage
wood
base;
Replacements.
Then
we
have
Watson
property
at
7005,
York
Road
in
Stoneleigh.
This
is
a
part
two
tax
credit
for
an
HVAC
installation,
the
Quran
property
721
cliveden
Road
in
suburb
Park.
E
This
is
another
tax
credit
for
porch
ceiling
and
Second
Story,
framing
repairs.
And
finally,
we
have
the
weisel
property
at
1201,
Western,
Run
Road-
and
this
is
part
two
tax
credit
Amendment
for
barn,
Foundation,
mortar
reporting.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
and
our
next
sort
of
business
is
an
informational
session
on
Towson,
High
School.
You
may
have
read
that
Towson
High
School
is
one
of
the
schools
to
be
replaced
or
repaired
or
recreated
or
reimagined
in
Baltimore
County.
In
the
coming
months
and
years,
the
design
will
take
some
time.
We've.
There
have
already
been
public
input
meetings
to
describe
some
options
and
also
to
to
just
talk
about
it
in
general,
because
Tas
and
I
is
on
our
list.
F
It
must
come
through
our
our
committee,
ultimately
for
final
approval,
while
we're
having
an
information
session
today,
it
will
not
require
any
votes.
Commissioners
are
welcome
to
ask
questions.
If
there
are
members
of
the
public,
we
would
refer
you
to
the
general
information
sessions
that
were
open
to
the
public.
You're
welcome
to
sit
in
and
listen,
but
the
questions
will
be
restricted
to
commissioners
Caitlyn.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
our
presenter.
H
Yes,
so
we
have
Baltimore
County
public
schools
and
their
project
team
I'm,
not
sure
he's
been
representing
hi
Kim
I'm,
your
muted,
so
I
ran
just
raises
hand.
So
is
he
presenting
this
evening.
H
Yes,
okay,
I
didn't
mean
to
do.
I
will
I'm
going
to
promote
you
to
panelists
and
then
I'm
going
to
allow
you
to
share
your
screen.
So
you
can
present
on
your
ad
it'll,
be
easier.
That
way.
Q
K
F
F
Q
We
go
yes,
fantastic
thanks
everybody
for
the
opportunity
to
get
in
front
of
you.
I
know
it's
late.
I'll!
Try
to
make
this
as
brief
as
possible,
but
share
all
the
information
in
the
in
the
vein
of
continued
collaboration
and
really
working
hand
in
hand
with
the
community
in
Baltimore,
County,
public
schools
and
all
their
stakeholders.
We've
been
working
to
develop
what
the
scope
for
the
Towson
High
School
will
be
sorry,
my
lies
weren't
advancing
so
just
quickly.
Q
The
purpose
for
us
being
here
tonight
is
just
to
share
with
you
where
we
are
in
the
planning
process
and
as
John
mentioned,
we
had
a
great
deal
of
community
input
and
we
want
to
share
with
you
the
result
of
that
Community
input
where
our
scope
ended
up
and
receive
any
comments
fairly
early
on
before
we
really
get
too
far
into
the
schematic
design
process.
Q
So
we've
had
two
large
community
meetings
and
what
I'll
share
with
you
is
kind
of
what
we
presented
to
them
and
some
of
the
response
and
where
that
process
ended.
So
the
Towson
High
School
has
some
significant
goals.
Q
One
is
to
develop
a
unique
solution
for
the
Towson
Community,
but
really
bring
that
project
into
the
Next
Generation
learning
environment,
for
those
students
and
and
and
the
the
SEC
that
use
that
building
part
of
that
is
increasing
the
capacity
the
current
state
rate
capacity
of
the
building's
1260
and
we're
looking
at
a
capacity
of
1728
for
actual
students
on
the
day
that
project
would
open
some
of
the
associated
challenges.
That
obviously
is
scale.
Q
The
existing
building
area
is
205
000
square
feet
and
we're
looking
for
an
educational
specification,
which
is
the
program
of
the
building
that
really
requires
320
000
square
feet.
There
are
some
challenges
internally,
with
the
building's
structural
layout
that
I'll
share
with
you
and
The
Limited
site
is
one
serious
constraint
that
we
are
dealing
with
in
our
design
process.
Another
factor
and
challenge
to
the
project
is
that
students
are
going
to
remain
on
site,
so
this
will
be
a
phased
while
occupied
project
during
its
construction
process.
Q
So
beyond
that,
we
also
have
design
goals
and
I
mentioned
slightly.
The
Next
Generation
learning
program
and
objectives
that
Baltimore
County
Public
Schools
is
really
looking
to
promote.
In
all
of
their
projects,
do
this
in
a
cost-effective
way,
respect
the
historic,
Legacy
and,
of
course,
we're
looking
for
a
sustainable
design
solution
we're
targeting
two
Globes
from
the
green
Globes
process,
and
ultimately
we
want
this
to
be
something
really
really
special.
When
we're
all
said
and
done
for
the
Towson
community
going
into
it.
Q
Looking
at
the
section
106
process,
we
really
did
an
evaluation
with
traceries,
who
is
our
consultant
on
the
project
to
evaluate
the
the
time
period
that
is
really
relevant
to
this
building
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
diagram
prepared
here,
there's
a
series
of
additions
and
and
modifications
that
have
been
done
to
this
building
over
the
years.
Q
But
it
seems
that
that
period
of
significance
is
really
the
1947
component
of
the
project
and
in
1953
Edition,
which
is
done
in
the
same
exact
way
by
the
same
architect,
adding
a
top
story
to
this
connection.
Here,
all
of
these
additional
components
were
added
along
the
way
in
closing
in
interior,
Courtyard,
a
Edition
and
an
addition
here
as
well.
Q
Q
You
can
really
get
a
good
view
of
the
auditorium
facade
and
the
entry
component,
which
I'll
show
you
photos
of
in
just
a
moment
and
some
of
the
character
defining
features
that
our
friends
at
Tracer
has
prepared
for
us
really
focused
on
the
mid-century
modern
design,
the
horizontality,
the
the
the
ribbon
Windows,
the
the
main
entry
and
the
porch
on
the
main
entry,
as
well
as
this
Tower
component.
These
the
stone
is
also
a
really
interesting
feature
of
this
building.
It's
really.
It
gives
an
image
of
the
that
facade
inside
the
building.
Q
There
are
really
only
two
spaces
that
retain
their
historic
significance
and
they're
the
the
main
lobby
at
the
front
door
and
there's
also
a
lobby
at
that
theater
entry
component
moving
out
to
the
site,
I
just
want
to
share
with
you,
as
we
did
with
the
community.
So
we
were
very
open
about
what
the
what
the
goals
and
the
challenges
of
the
project
were,
so
that
everybody
was
on
the
same
page
and
listed
on
the
left
in
the
table.
Is
the
educational
specification
of
what
a
high
school
would
typically
have
on
its
site?
Q
Q
So
what
we
came
to
as
a
summary
of
this
was
minimizing.
The
footprint
of
the
project
in
the
building
will
really
is
really
necessary
to
achieve
as
much
of
that
site
goal
and
site
program,
as
we
possibly
can
so
minimizing
that
building
footprint
is
going
to
be
a
goal
of
our
design
process.
Q
Looking
in
the
building
as
well
I
mentioned
briefly
the
idea
of
Next
Generation
learning,
and
here
on
the
left,
we
see
the
the
the
general
arrangement
of
the
Towson
High
School
quarter
system,
which
we
call
a
double
loaded
Corridor
and
it's
really
made
for
an
industrial
type
learning
environment
and
what
we're
seeking
to
develop
is
a
combination
of
different
types
of
spaces
in
the
building
different
scales,
different
sizes,
more
casual
spaces
that
will
allow
students
to
learn
in
the
kind
of
environment
that
we're
training
them
to
work
in
so
rather
than
a
factory
we're
looking
for
people
who
perhaps
will
work
at
Google
or
start
their
own
Google.
Q
So
the
environment
should
really
reflect
where
students
are
moving
after
they
graduate.
We
also
looked
at
a
program
analysis
comparing
the
existing
program
and
existing
spaces
within
the
building
to
that
that
is
required
to
provide
that
next.
Generation
learning
in
the
educational
specification
and
in
these
diagrams.
Anything
that
you
see
is
in
red
is
either
something
that's
deficient
in
square
footage
or
area
or
something
that's
missing
altogether.
Q
So
we
can
see
that
there's
a
lot
missing
in
that
next
Generation
learning
type
spaces,
a
lot
of
the
volume
spaces
don't
meet
the
spatial
requirements
for
the
capacity
of
the
school
and
a
number
of
classrooms,
teaching
environments
and
support
spaces
are
just
missing
altogether,
also
had
some
constraints
within
the
building
itself.
So
here
we
see
a
plan
of
of
the
building.
Q
The
cafeteria
sits
below
the
gymnasium,
and
this
was
one
of
the
significant
challenges
is,
is
a
you
can
see
the
column
grid
within
the
cafeteria
that
supports
that
chimnasium
floor
and
in
the
in
the
larger
colored
zone
is
what
that
growth
would
have
to
be
to
make
that
space
meet
the
program
requirements.
So
this
part
of
the
project
really
becomes
kind
of
a
cork
in
where
we
might
be
able
to
expand
the
building
and
make
it
meet
that
program.
Some
of
the
spaces
worked
out
quite
well.
Q
For
example,
this
Bay
really
does
serve
itself
well
to
be
typical
classroom
type
environment.
Labs
might
be
slightly
long
in
that
bay,
but
but
but
can
fit,
but
a
lot
of
the
career
technology.
Education
programs
that
are
in
this
pedagogy
simply
don't
fit
in
that
long,
narrow
or
collinated
type
program,
The
Learning
Commons,
which
in
my
day
we
called
Library,
does
fit
in
the
program,
because
this
was
an
addition
in
1969..
Q
We
also
did
a
lot
of
work
with
the
idea
of
adjacencies
and
really
adjacencies
of
classrooms
to
those
other
types
of
learning.
Environments
is
really
critical
so,
rather
than
having
a
lab
and
and
larger
volume
spaces
in
an
addition
with
classrooms
on
the
other
wing
of
the
building,
those
spaces
really
to
operate
appropriately
for
educational
program
want
to
be
adjacent
one
another.
Q
So
those
are
our
basic
project
parameters
and
we
started
meeting
one
with
a
with
an
explanation
that
I'll
share
with
you
that
what
you're
going
to
see
is
not
a
finished
design
and
it's
not
actually
a
design
or
a
schematic
design.
We
wanted
to
be
clear
with
everyone
from
the
start
that
we're
in
a
planning
process
and
the
goal
of
that
planning
process
is
to
really
Define
for
everyone
involved
all
stakeholders.
Q
What
the
scope
of
the
project
is
going
to
be,
and
once
we've
defined
that
scope,
then
we
would
step
into
a
schematic
design,
so
I'll
say
the
same
thing
to
you
that
I
say
to
all
communities
in
this.
In
this
point
in
the
process,
they're
going
to
look
like
floor
like
plans
designs,
but
they're,
really
just
diagrams
and
Concepts.
So
please
please
try
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
go
through
them.
So
we
went
into
that
meeting.
Q
We
went
thoroughly
through
each
of
these
four
options
and
the
idea
of
the
four
options
were
to
take
the
building
and
start
with
an
idea
of
almost
no
or
actually
absolutely
minimal,
Demolition
and
then
pick
some
points
along
the
way,
all
the
way
to
full
replacement
of
the
project
and
and
really
see
where
the
number
of
things
happen.
One
is
where's
the
community
most
comfortable,
but
also
where
do
we
start
to
get
the
kinds
of
efficiencies
we're
looking
for?
Q
Now
we
were
very
clear
with
the
entire
Community,
as
we
presented
this,
that
the
replacement
option
is
not
going
to
receive
permit
approval,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understood
that
everything
was
looked
at
and
things
would
be
ruled
out
for
real
reasons,
not
just
because
we
said
so
so
we
we
shared
this
with
the
community
and
got
quite
a
bit
of
feedback
during
the
first
meeting
and
a
lot
of
the
focal
feedback
was
about
replacement,
and
why
can't
we
replace
this
project
and
other
feedback?
Q
Other
comments
and
interactions
that
we
had
talked
were
more
about
how
and
why
and
phasing
and
those
kinds
of
things
so
that
the
community
could
really
get
comfortable
with
the
project
that
we're
going
so
what
we
did
after
that
is
open
it
up
for
a
30-day
comment
period
and
Baltimore
County
public
schools
had
a
website
in
which
folks
could
could
apply
to,
and
we
received
a
lot
of
feedback.
Q
We
got
135
comments
in
during
that
30-day
process
and
all
the
comments
were
posted
on
that
public
website,
so
that
everybody
could
read
them
and
there
was
a
lot
of
consensus
within
the
community.
Everybody
was
pretty
on
board
about
significant
work
was
needed
and
the
need
was
urgent
and
when
can
we
start,
but
as
with
most
communities
that
we
work
with?
It
was
very
interesting
to
see
that
it's
not
always
the
loudest
voice
in
the
room
with
you
know,
folks
that
were
pushing
for
replacement.
Q
Q
So
half
of
the
community
really
was
interested
in
retaining
the
historic
fabric
of
this
project,
while
the
other
half
was
looking
to
get
something
brand
new
on
that
property.
Q
So
we
shared
that
back
with
the
community,
because
it's
not
just
important
that
we
hear
them.
It's
important
that
they
hear
one
another,
and
by
sharing
that
we
shared
that
in
the
second
meeting
we
also
shared
with
them
a
letter
that
we
received
from
you,
which
was
actually
quite
helpful,
and
we
really
appreciated.
Q
It
talked
about
option,
A
and
B
complying
and
option.
C
subjugated
and
absolutely
important
preference,
but
was
really
valuable
to
us,
is
that
you
told
us
the
why
and
that
will
allow
us
to
move
forward
in
design
and
make
sure
that
we
address
those
as
we
we
take
next
steps
and
of
course
you
mentioned
that
option.
D
is
not
permissible,
reaffirming
what
we
had
already
shared
with
the
community.
Q
Q
So
the
community
sought
to
eliminate
that
and,
as
I
mentioned,
they
were
equally
split
between
a
renovation
Edition
option
which
retained
historic
fabric
versus
a
replacement
option,
so
that,
in
addition
to
the
idea
that
it's
not
really
a
feasible
permissible
approach,
we
eliminated
option
D
with
the
community
as
well,
and
as
you
mentioned
in
your
letter,
the
department
of
planning
will
likely
support
a
variant
of
option
b,
but
some
of
the
program
adjacencies
and
requires
we
couldn't
quite
get
in
in
option
b.
Q
So
we
want
to
seek
a
way
to
not
get
all
the
way
to
option
C
but
find
some
sort
of
hybrid
approach
between
the
two
that
meets
the
requirements
and
the
goals
assigned
in
your
letter
in
our
conversations
in
option
C,
but
keep
it
Meeting
those
requirements.
So
this
was
the
scope
hybrid
that
we
proposed,
and
in
this
hybrid
you
can
see
that
the
existing
instructional
wings
of
the
building
are
three
base
deep.
Q
So
it's
a
classroom,
Center
Corridor
and
another
classroom
bar,
so
our
proposed
hybrid,
rather
than
demolishing
These
Wings
in
their
entirety,
which
which
we
understand
you
know,
are
really
important.
Facets
of
the
facade
and
the
massing
would
be
actually
to
take
those
down
behind
the
corridor
line
and
then
take
down
those
additions
that
were
added
later
in
the
project,
which
would
retain
the
entire
front
facade
and
retain
the
connection
that
leads
back
towards
the
theater
and
retain
the
theater
volume
in
its
entirety.
Q
Q
These
are
the
the
pieces
that
are
actually
actually
visible
and
now
behind
this
instructional
bar,
which
is
small
and
narrow,
we
can
now
get
the
larger
volume
and
the
collaboration
type
spaces
in
the
Next
Generation
learning
spaces,
with
the
appropriate
adjacencies
to
those
classrooms,
so
we're
getting
those
adjacencies
we're
promoting
the
Next
Generation
learning
and
we're
keeping
those
sight
lines
of
what
was
historic,
still
looking
at
historic,
historic
facades
and
fabric.
Q
Looking
at
the
the
qualitative
and
quantitative
values
of
the
hybrid
approach,
you
can
see
that,
because
we're
building
more
new
construction,
we
can
be
slightly
more
efficient,
but
where
we're
gaining
from
an
instructional
standpoint
is
really
in
the
Next
Generation
learning
because
of
those
adjacencies
and
the
types
of
programs
we
can
put
one
next
to
the
other,
so
we
concluded
that
meeting
and
that
scope
of
modernization
and
restoration
was
fairly
well
received.
There
were
no
real
questions
with
regards
to
the
scope
or
challenges
to
the
scope.
Q
So
we
we
felt
that
we
had
really
positive
Community
feedback
and
interaction
at
those
meetings
and
we
did
share
what
our
remaining
process
is
going
to
be
and
we're
we're
starting
now
to
move
into
schematic
design,
but
really
we're
very
interested
in
getting
your
feedback
before
we
get
too
far
on
the
scope
that
we're
moving
with
and
I
will
reiterate
that
the
plan
that
I
showed
the
the
axon
diagram
is
not
our
design.
It's
not
our
schematic
design,
it's
a
diagram
showing
what
we
think
well.
Q
What
we
hope
to
understand
is
malleable
and
what
is
not-
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
know
it's
a
long
evening,
but
we're
happy
to
engage
with
you
and
and
hear
everything
that
you
have
to
offer
and
share
with
us.
F
Thank
you,
Rana
I,
appreciate
you
running
through
that
for
everyone,
Commissioners
questions.
J
I
have
one
one
question:
I
thought
I
saw
a
version
of
that
chart
that
you
showed
earlier
with
the
four
designs,
the
the
the
earlier
version
of
that
which
had
some.
J
That
that
one
that
had
some
construction
cost
estimates
associated
with
it,
no.
Q
What
we,
what
we
had
is
with
with
each
one
we
assign
an
efficiency,
a
net
to
grow
gross
ratio
which
would
result
in
different
total
gross
areas.
But
we've
we're
not
at
the
point
where
we've
been
doing
any
cost
estimating.
Yet,
okay.
G
I
had
a
question:
John,
okay,
Chris,
go
ahead,
that
I
I
think
Ram
what
you
had
shared
for
the
key
areas
of
visibility,
I
think
are
basically
the
front
facade
on
egg
birth
and
then
what
you
see
from
or
I'm
sorry
the
front
facade
on
Cedar
and
then
the
rear.
You
know
visibility
from
egg
birth
and
I
think
in
one
of
the
concepts
that
you're
showing
is
that
leg?
G
Basically,
that
kind
of
runs
from
the
front
facade
back
to
the
bigger
piece
as
being
retained
there
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
know
that
it's
not
a
highly
visible
piece
and
I
was
just
wondering
if,
if
that's
something
that
you
know
it
didn't
look
I.
G
Think
aside
from
the
you
know
the
scenario
that
that
basically
left
the
the
corner
along
Cedar
Avenue,
was
there
a
scenario
that
you
looked
at,
that
you
know
that
that
touched
that
section
wondering
if
there
is
value
to
you
know
to
touching
a
piece:
that's
not
not
visible
or
not.
You
know,
I.
A
Q
Referenced
that
piece
as
being
relevant
as
a
connection
to
the
theater,
so
we
we
respected
that
and
retained
that
in
our
in
our
hybrid
approach.
The
other
component
for
us
is
right
now
that
is
existing
classroom
space
and.
K
Q
But
again
our
conversation
here
is
about
scope
and
if
it,
if
you
guys,
are
okay
with
us,
touching
that
in
our
scope,
that
will
give
us
the
flexibility
to
keep
it
if
we
can
and
eliminate
it.
If
we,
if
we
find
that
we
need
to
once
we
get
into
full
design
mode,
can.
Q
I
Will
note,
though,
that
that
we
shouldn't
only
privilege
car
views?
There
is
significant
Community
access
to
the
school
site
from
the
six
Bridges
trail
that
goes
along
the
the
creek.
So
not
that
I'm
saying
you
know,
don't
mess
with
the
back
of
the
the
building,
but
you
know
we
should
not
just
be
you
know,
privileging
a
car
view.
Pedestrian
views
are
also
important
on
this
site.
I
Q
You
of
the
back
of
the
building.
This
was
a
locker
room,
Edition,
not
original,
and
this
is
the
1969
Edition
that
doesn't
it's.
It
mimics
a
little
bit
of
the
historic
material,
but
you
can
see
that
they
infilled
it
with
brick
instead
of
stone
the
way
the
historics.
So
it
there's
very,
with
the
exception
of
the
theater
entrance,
there's
very
little
on
the
rear
facade
that
is
historically
still
visible.
I
Yeah
one
thing
that
I
would
note
that
the
at
the
end
of
the
the
main
Cedar
Avenue
you
know
with
the
ribbon
Windows.
There
is
in
a
sense
of
tower
that
also
has
glass
block
windows.
G
Yeah
just
and
it
just
seemed
to
to
me
that
that
that
link
that
you
know
that
runs
back
to
the
auditorium,
it
just
seems
like
that
is
you
know.
I
would
bet
that
probably
95
of
the
students
that
have
gone
to
the
school
have
never
seen
that
side
of
the
building,
except
for
some
of
those
that
may
have
gone
through
there
on
a
running
course
and
and
I'd,
say
95
of
the
community
or
more
has
not
seen
that
side
of
the
building
as
well.
So
yeah.
I
The
questions
in
terms
of
how
much
feedback
you
got
at
from
the
community
after
the
second
community
meeting
I
mean
you
mentioned
kind
of
General
positive
at
the
presentation
itself.
But
I
was
at
the
presentation,
and
you
know
that
it
was
at
the
end
and
there
you
know,
did
you
get
much
in
the
way
of
community
feedback
from
the
website
after
that
meeting?
No.
Q
The
the
we
had
the
30-day
open
comment
period
and
we
we
concluded
that
meeting
with
kind
of
a
scope
that
was
a
modernization,
and
so
our
next
opportunities
for
feedback
will
come
so
now.
What
we're
doing
is
going
back
with
that
modernization
approach
and
we
want
to
engage
our
stakeholders
that
are
actual
that
are
the
instructional
and
facility
stakeholders
start
to
develop
a
schematic,
design
and
then
go
to
the
community
back
for
feedback
once
we
have
something
to
show
them,
but
we've
got
no
further
feedback
beyond
that.
So.
F
Yeah
the
meeting
someone
to
maybe
I
felt
like
there
was
some
I,
went
to
the
one
at
West
house
and
and
wanted
to
Towson
High,
and
that
was
that
was
pretty
robust
feedback.
I
think.
I
Q
I
They
were
more
about
scope
of
the
project
and
you
know
what
kind
of
you
know.
Green
level
was
going
to
be
gotten
and
and
complaints
about,
you
know
doing
the
project
with
the
students
on
site
and
is
there
any
options
to
not
do
it
with
the
kids
on
site
those
those
were
the
gist
of
the
comments
they
weren't
really
getting
into
the
weeds
of
the
BC
option,
because
people
had
just.
D
Q
It
was
kind
of
a
refinement
of
the
scope,
so
we
had
feedback
on
the
B
option
and
the
C
option
and
the
replacement
option
through
that
first
30-day
period
and
as
I
mentioned,
they
were
about
50
50
between
a
modernization
project
versus
a
replacement
project,
and
our
goal
here
was
to
share
with
the
community
that
there
that
it
seems
like
the
modernization
approach
is
the
appropriate
approach
here
and
then
just
to
share
that
with
them.
Q
What
that
might
look
like
once
we
start
design
process
so
again,
we're
we're
only
talking
about
the
scope
and
I
I
can
promise
you
that
what
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
not
going
to
be
the
final
design,
so
there
is
no,
there
aren't
really
the
weeds
available.
Yet
we
haven't
developed
the
weeds
to
get
into
that,
will
be
developed
in
schematic
design
and
then
share
shared
and
get
feedback
on
that
at
that
point
in
time,.
F
We
may
have
an
ambivalent
answer
on
whether,
in
other
words,
our
ultimate
answer
might
depend
on
how
important
your
team
thought
it
was
to
pull
that
space
out
and
and
do
new
construction
there
and
I
don't
know
how
how
tightly
we
can
Define.
G
G
The
other
thing
I
think
we
hadn't
talked
about
yeah,
is
just
and
I
think
that
you
identify
in
one
of
the
meetings
is
that
we
do
have
a
four-story
height
restriction.
Is
that
correct.
G
L
I
have
a
question:
has
the
commission
already
ex
or
or
maybe
staff
already
has
given
a
reading
on
the
sections
of
the
buildings
that
that
are
most
important
to
preserve
I
mean?
Are
we
saying
that
basically,
the
L
and
the
and
the
I
guess
it's
the
gymnasium
or
theater
I
forget
theater.
L
If
these
are
the
most
important
critical
ones
to
preserve,
or
is
there
more
that
is?
Is
there
other
areas
that
are
being
lost?
Other
views,
other
facades
that
are
being
lost,
that.
F
I
I
think
part
of
the
what
the
preliminary
thought
was
on
it.
Lily
and.
K
F
Happy
to
consider
other
things
as,
though,
is
that
the
other
parts
in
the
back,
because
they
were
later
additions
primarily
are-
are
not
really
something
that
that's
important
to
the
Integrity
of
the
historic
importance
of
the
building.
So
I
think
we
were
focused
on
the
L
and
the
auditorium
which
were
more
of
the
original
parts
and
had
a
distinctive
stone
work.
F
G
And
I
guess
my
question
was:
if,
if
that
leg
of
the
L
is
really
a
critical
piece
of
that,
that's.
H
The
structure
is
the
property
after
the
addition
still
needs
to
be
eligible
as
a
landmark,
we
can't
take
too
much
of
the
building
away
where
it
no
longer
meets
those
the
criteria
for
which
it
was
originally
Landmark
for
which
is
its
architecture,
so
those
prominent
front
facades
and
the
details
on
the
auditorium
or
those
character,
defining
features
which
was
you
know,
part
of
the
features
and
details
of
why
it
was
was
nominated
first
place.
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
keep
those,
so
it's
still
red
it
can
be
read.
I
H
That's
a
question:
I
really
can't
answer
it's
more
about
the
retaining
it's
it's
character,
defining
features
and
the
the
the
details
on
the
facade
the
patterns,
those
types
of
things.
If
you
start
taking
it
right
too,
because
I
know
one
of
the
options
took
away.
One
portion
of
that
side
where
it
was
just
like
two
yeah
it
was
that
part
two
yeah
that
option
see
right.
H
It
was
just
it
just
at
that
point.
It
was
just
too
much
of
the
structure,
whereas
I
would
not,
if
I
was
reviewing
that
as
an
architectural
historian
for
to
nominated
for
something
I
wouldn't
recommend
it
to
be
eligible
because
of
the
lack
of
of
just
just
lack
of
the
building
and
yeah.
In
that
part,
they
looked
very
disconnected,
and
that
was
my
point
from
each
other.
It's
two
pieces
yeah,
so.
I
That
the
football
is
in
a
sense
important
to
to
convey
the
the
massing
in
the
original
structure
so
that
that
L
is,
you
know,
an
important
component
of
the
footprint.
Yes,.
H
F
F
J
I
guess
I
do
have
a
question.
You
know:
I
live
down
in
Dundalk.
You've
replaced
the
elementary
school
near
me.
You've
replaced
the
high
school
near
me.
I
know
those
are
both
expensive.
I
am
curious.
How
much
will
preserving
these
different
sections
change?
Increase
the
cost
of
construction
I
mean
there's
finite
money.
Q
We're
we're
simply
not
at
that
point
yet,
as
we
start
to
develop
a
true
schematic
design,
we
will
get
cost
estimating
later
on
in
the
process
and
then
we
can.
We
can
really
refine
and
and
see
what
those
numbers
are,
but
we
simply
don't
know
yet.
There's.
F
Yeah
Scott
there
are
also
this
is
a
very
tight
site,
Towson,
High,
School
and
and
moving
the
building
to
another
place
to
build
a
new
building,
creates
other
complications
in
terms
of
topography
for
ball
fields
and
parking
and
other
things.
So
it's
it's
a
hard
number
to
to
come
up
with,
but
our
my
understanding
through
other
sources
is
that
the
county
is
committed
to
what
it
will
cost
to
keep
this
building
where
it
is
and
preserve.
The.
F
J
I
understand
the
community
lots
of
people
in
the
community,
but
in
a
you
know,
Dundalk
Elementary
School
was
built
in
the
1920s.
It
wasn't
preserved
and
I.
Guess
more
generally,
my
concern
is,
as
a
committee,
you
know
if
somebody
in
the
future
wants
to
designate
some
other
County
building.
As
a
landmark,
you
know
what
does
that
do
to
the
economic
viability
of
projects.
You
know
if
we
have
to
spend
100
million
more
in
Towson
to
meet
the
the
historic
preservation.
Well,
that
comes
out
of
something
else.
J
D
So
we
give
tax
credits
to
people
and
makes
it
a
little
easier
for
them
to
to
do
the
more
difficult
things
which
is
to
keep
the
historic
fabric
of
our
County
and
the
and
preserve
some
of
the
history
of
our
County
and
I.
Think
there
is
some
value
to
doing
it.
I
doubt
that
seriously.
There's
a
100
million
dollar
debt
Delta,
but
I
I
think,
let's
let
him
do
his
homework
and
come
back
to
us
with
a
sensible
design
that
works
within
the
budgets
of
the
county.
F
G
F
I
J
J
I
We
actually
have
Carol
Allen
former
LPC
member
to
thank
for
Towson
High
and
several
other
Towson
properties
being
on
the
landmarks
listing
when.
Q
I
Was
president
of
historic
Towson
before
she
was
on
the
LPC
and
I?
Think
that's
probably
what
contributed
to
her
name
to
the
LPC
nominated
I,
think
a
group
of
20
Properties,
or
something
like
that
in
the
Towson
area,
as
individual
landmarks
and
at
the
time
there
was
no
objection
from
the
county
or
the
school
system.
For
this
being
added.
The
only
property
in
that
Bunch
that
had
any
kind
of
objections
were
the
Mon
Paul
Railroad
abutments
in
you
know
in
downtown
Towson.
F
So
to
take
care
of
a
time
element
and
use
rand's
time,
while
he's
here,
I
I,
think
we
should
Scott.
We
take
that
question
seriously
and
it
may
come
up
as
we
go
forward.
But
at
the
moment,
if
we
have
questions
for
Rand
that
we
can,
while
we
got
him
as
a
as
a
captive,
let's,
let's,
let's
zero
in
on
on
that
anything
else.
For
him.
G
And
and
I
had
just
one
more
question
John
just
to
clarify
so
the
the
two
lobbies,
basically
the
entrance
Lobby
and
the
auditorium
Lobby
I,
think
were
two
that
were
part
of
the
original
application,
correct
and,
and
those
are
required
to
to
remain
as
they
were
identified
as
part
of
that
application.
G
Is
that
part
of
the
purview
I'm
just
wondering,
for
instance,
the
entrance
Lobby
has
the
little
Gumdrop
lights
in
there.
That
I'm
not
sure,
are
historic
in
character
and
wondering
if
they're,
you
know,
if
we're
preserving
those.
As
you
know,
pieces
of
you
know
a
piece
of
history
or
those
pieces
that
are
really
representative
currently
of
the
the
history
that
that
they
were
originally.
F
H
Since
it's
using
State
funding,
it
also
has
to
go
through
a
review
with
the
Maryland
historical
trust
and
they
look
at
interiors
and
I
know
that
those
spaces
were
identified
as
character,
defining
features
and
having
some
original
features.
So
MHT
may
have
comments
on
those
spaces,
but
us
we,
we
don't
right,
have
any
comments
on
the
Interiors.
D
Q
What
we're
really
seeking
to
to
do
here
is
First
share
with
everybody
where
we
are
and
what
we're
doing
we're
starting
schematic
design.
What
we'd
like
to
hear
from
you
is
based
on
what
we've
shared
about
the
community
feedback
and
the
concepts
that
we've
or
not
to
apologize.
I
broke
my
own
rule.
The.
B
Q
That
we
shared
and
the
scope
that
we
ended
up
with
with
the
hybrid
as
we're
starting.
Do
you
see
a
scope
like
that
of
this
magnitude
in
this
project,
something
that
you
would
support
once
it
got
to
you?
We
don't
want
to
go
through
an
entire
design
process,
submit
for
a
permit
and
then
have
an
issue.
We
want
to
engage
now
and
and
get
that
feedback
up
front.
So.
I
I
I
will
say
that
I
I
am
comfortable
with
that
and
I
am
a
Towson
resident
and
a
mother
of
two
thousand
High
grad.
Recent
thousand
High
graduates
is.
Q
Q
Let
me
go
back
to
the
demolition
and
again,
as
I
think
Chris
mentioned,
that
the
glass
block,
stair
and
everything
and
all
the
corners
and
the
ability
to
see
around
the
corner
would
still
retain
the
massing
that
you
experienced
today
of
Towson
and
everything
else
would
be
constructed
behind
it
and
that's,
as
I
mentioned
before
critical
for
us
getting
the
types
of
adjacency
of
spaces
that
we
we
need
to
accomplish
for
our
next
Generation
learning
environments,
yeah.
I
One
comment
on
that:
there's
a
tiny
little
green
house
on
the
back
of
of
that.
You
know
by
by
the
Tower
with
the
glass
blocks,
I,
don't
know
when
that
little
Greenhouse
was
added
in
in
terms
of
the
the
history
of
it.
It
looks
like
that
that
would
would
go
as
well.
You
know,
just
if.
A
I
Q
I,
don't
it
was.
We
understand
that
it
was
modified
in
the
1998
okay.
F
Serena
I
don't
think
we
can.
We
can
give
you
a
vote
in
the
absence
of
of
more
detailed
drawings,
but
I
guess
I
could
canvas
the
sense
of
the
of
the
meeting
just
as
we're
looking
at
this
picture.
That's
in
our
screen
now
in
that
General
vein,
our
commissioners,
comfortable
with
that.
D
G
I
I
am
and
I
guess.
I
would
also
add
that
I'm
I'm
not
confident
that
the
the
L
and
the
leg
is
a
necessary
piece
to
retain
I
think
that
by
the
time
you
know,
because
of
it
not
being
visible
and
by
the
time
it's
renovated,
if
that's
conceived
or
if
that's
perceived
in
your
experience
from
the
original
Cedar
Avenue
to
the
auditorium,
walk
I
think
that
that
would
probably
have
very
little.
You
know
original
character
from
you
know
from
that
connection.
G
From
you
know,
between
those
two
by
the
time
the
renovation
would
be
done.
D
C
D
A
A
G
D
A
L
D
F
I
agree
with
with
those
comments,
but
also
to
Scott's
Point.
The
L
might
be
a
place
where
that,
if
that's
more
economically
viable
to
take
that
down,
that
that
may
make.
F
I
Caitlin,
can
you
speak
to
if
that,
that
short
end
of
the
L,
if
it
were
to
have
kind
of
a
facadectomy
how
it?
How
might
that
you
know
kind
of
impact?
The
the
you
know,
the
National
Registry
eligibility.
K
K
K
I
K
I
C
I
D
G
K
Q
We're
schematic
design
now
it
looks
like
we
will
be
completing
that
sometime
in
in
the
next
number
of
months.
Q
I
Q
Define
anyone
we're
obviously
working
with
a
great
number
of
stakeholders
to
develop
the
design
at
this
point,
but
well.