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We
are
your
volunteer
representatives
appointed
by
our
county
council
person
or
county
executive
entrusted
to
monitor,
renovations
and
additions
to
our
baltimore
county,
historic
resources,
the
lpc
reviews
and
approves
nominations
to
the
baltimore
county.
Preliminary
landmarks
list
comments
on
national
register
nominations,
reviews
all
exterior
alterations
within
county
historic
districts
and
is
charged
with
evaluating
baltimore
county
historic
tax
credit
applications
with
the
commissioners.
Please
introduce
themselves
by
name
and
county
council
district
or
representation.
D
A
L
I
Sure
my
name
is
lily
mundra
I
live
in
catonsville
and
I've
been
working
with
brennan
and
company
architects
for
about
15
years.
I
we
do
a
lot
of
historic
preservation
and
adaptive,
reuse
projects
in
the
region
and
just
own,
an
old
house
and
love
to
be
a
part
of
this
commission.
A
You
all
for
your
introductions.
Next,
we
please
stand
as
we
resi
recite
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
A
We
have
important
preservation
issues
to
discuss
and
debate
at
each
meeting.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments,
please
limit
your
comments
to
the
to
the
specific
application
or
proposal
submission
being
reviewed.
We
ask
for
your
assistance
and
understanding
so
that
the
discussions
do
not
digress
as
an
additional
comment.
We
can
all
agree
that
historic
preservation
is
an
important
aspect
of
the
quality
of
life
and
place
that
makes
baltimore
county
unique.
A
As
commissioners,
we
serve
on
the
commission
due
to
our
expertise,
interest
and
passion
for
historic
buildings
and
places,
and
we
review
submissions
based
solely
on
their
merit.
While
we
may
disagree
in
discussion
and
voting,
we
continue
to
be
a
collegial
body
that
respects
each
other
and
pers
personally
and
professionally.
A
With
the
chat
with
the
staff,
please
provide
us
with
the
virtual
meeting
reminders.
E
Yes,
thank
you.
First,
if
you
are
an
attendee
of
the
meeting
and
are
looking
to
offer
comments,
you
can
do
so
using
the
chat
feature.
Please
select
the
host
button
and
type
your
comments
in
the
chat.
Additionally,
if
you've
been
in
touch
with
staff
and
we're
aware
that
you
want
to
speak
on
a
topic,
we
will
give
you
the
opportunity
to
address
the
commission
during
your
review
time.
E
Second,
just
as
a
note,
the
information
presented
in
this
presentation
is
simply
an
overview.
The
commission
has
received
all
of
the
meeting
materials
submitted
they
received
them
last
week.
This
is
really
just
a
visual
to
keep
the
meeting
moving.
A
Thank
you.
We
need
to
vote
on
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair
today
and
select
them
to
run
the
commission.
I'm
calling
for
nominations
for
the
chair
and
vice
chair.
A
Let's
is
there
any,
are
there
any
other
nominations.
K
G
K
E
D
F
K
A
Okay,
john
homan
is
our
is
the
new
chair
of
the
landmark
preservation
commission.
Congratulations,
john.
C
A
F
G
D
E
D
G
C
E
H
C
Yeah,
yes,
I
know
both
are
correct.
Both
are
correct.
Thank
you,
taylor
and
thank
thank
you.
The
next
item
is
for
taylor
to
inform
the
members
of
the
commission
of
any
changes
in
the
preliminary
agenda.
C
E
C
E
Yes,
so
change
was
requested
for
the
september
9th
2021
meeting
minutes.
Mr
and
mrs
fradkins
had
testified
during
agenda
item
number
13
and
did
not
feel
that
their
testimony
was
adequately
reflected
in
the
minutes.
The
minutes
originally
read.
Miss
bensley
read
the
written
testimony
submitted
by
mr
and
miss
steve
and
patty
fradkin
the
owners
of
4605
prospect
avenue.
The
testimony
stated
that
they
were
accepting
of
the
proposal
as
it
rectified.
Miss
bears
encroaching
on
their
property,
but
that
they
hoped
miss
bear
would
use
a
reputable
license
and
bonded
contractor.
E
The
minutes
have
been
updated
to
read.
Miss
bensley
read
written
testimony
submitted
by
mr
and
miss
steve
and
patty
fradkin
the
owners
of
4605
prospect
avenue.
The
testimony
stated
that
they
were
concerned
that
the
work
in
the
court
order
to
correct
the
issues
would
not
be
completed
by
a
reputable
licensed
and
bonded
contractor.
E
C
C
Any
opposed
good.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
the
consent
agenda.
Taylor.
I
did
have
a
question
on
it:
I'm
showing
9
10,
11
and
13,
but
I
I'm
showing
on
another
place
where
it's
8,
9,
10
and
12.
C
E
Sure,
first
up
we
have
agenda
item
number
eight,
the
collins
property
at
720
howard
road
in
sudbury
park.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
sudbury
park,
county,
historic
district
myth
number
ba
3016.
The
proposals
proposed
plans
to
enlarge
the
existing
breezeway
and
transform
into
a
sun
room.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
additions
and
infill
pages
one
through
four
and
county
code.
Section
32745
next
is
agenda.
Number
agenda
item
number:
nine:
the
pro
property
at
1505
frankie
avenue
in
lutherville.
E
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
lutherville
county,
historic
district,
myth
number,
ba
288
the
proposals,
removal
of
13
deteriorated
storm
windows
and
the
installation
of
new
aluminum
storm
windows
for
all
the
windows
on
the
home.
At
34
total,
it
will
be
an
in-kind
replacement.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
windows
and
doors,
page
4
and
county
code.
Section
327405
next
is
agenda.
Item
number
10.
This
is
the
earshaw
property
at
11912
road
in
kingsville.
E
It's
a
contributing
structure
in
the
franklin
bell:
county,
historic
district
and
the
proposal
is
the
in-kind
replacement
of
an
asphalt,
shingle
roof
and
aluminum
gutters
staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
roofs,
page
10
and
county
code,
section
327405
and
finally,
agenda
item
number
12,
the
tarleton
property
at
4805
butler
road
in
glendon.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
glendon
county,
historic
district
mip
number
ba723.
E
The
proposal
is
exposed
facto
approval
for
a
lattice
installed
to
the
east
of
the
dwelling
to
complete
a
garden.
This
was
a
for
a
code
enforcement
correction
notice.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
sending
baltimore
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
landscape
pages,
one
and
two
county
code,
section
327,
405
and
327-403.
C
You
once
once
we
have
a
motion
to
accept
and
second
then
discussion
is
appropriate
at
that
point.
So
do
do.
I
have
a
motion.
E
We
we
can
go
ahead
and
if
we
can
see,
if
there's
any
discussion
first,
if
anyone
wants
to
pull
any
of
the
consent,
we'll
do
that
first
and
then
we'll
have
a
motion
to
approve
all
of
the
or
the
remaining
concentration
items.
B
I
just
had
one
kind
of
question
about
number:
eight,
the
kind
of
infill
on
the
breezeway,
the
image
that
was
submitted
of
the
doors
it
was
seemed
like
the
doors
were
kind
of
floating,
and
it
wasn't
exactly
clear
how
they
connected
to
to
the
you
know
kind
of
ground.
So
I
just
wondered
if
any
of
the
architects
on
the
lpc
had
any
concerns
related
to
that.
If
none,
then
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
if
they
did
just
wanted
to
to
bring
that
up.
C
K
I
I
was
just
going
to
add
to
that
one.
I
agreed
with
chris
on
the
the
fact
that
it
was
on
the
rear,
but
if
they're
talking
about
maintaining
the
same
language,
it
seems
like
the
current
one
has
a
brick
still,
so
it
would
be
great
to
sort
of
continue
the
same
language
or
also
with
the
doors.
I
It
seems
like
some
of
the
examples,
show
different
kinds
of
of
openings
with
several
lights,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
perhaps
match
what's
there
in
the
back
just
to
continue
on
the
same
language
of
the
vocabulary
of
the
existing
windows.
I
Well
it
because
it's
at
the
rear-
I
I
don't
know
that
you
know
it
it
really.
It
should
be.
I
not
really
sure.
C
I
C
If
my
our
thought
would
be
that,
if,
if
we
don't
have
that
strong
of
feeling
that
we
would
just
approve
it
as
is,
and
let
them
proceed
was
that
satisfactory
to
the
commission,
I
thought
any
discussion
on
any
of
the
others.
C
Hearing
none.
May
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
K
C
Thank
you,
chris
voice
photo
okay
taylor.
Do
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call.
E
A
E
F
G
D
F
G
C
The
next
item
is
number
six:
the
bear
property
and
taylor
you
want
to
give
us
the
introduction-
and
I
think
we
have
some
people
want
to
speak
to
this
issue
with
us
tonight.
Is
that
true.
E
Yes,
we
do
we'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
it
first,
I'm
sorry
all
my
papers
got
out
of
order.
Okay,
agenda
item
number:
six
is
the
bear
property
at
4607
prospect
avenue
in
glendon?
This
is
a
non-contributing
structure
in
the
glendon
county,
historic
district.
The
proposal
is
the
construction
of
a
10
foot
by
14
foot
pavilion
in
the
rear
yard,
with
a
height
ranging
from
eight
foot
one
and
three
quarters
inch
to
ten
feet.
One
inch
the
homeowner
is
proposing
to
construct
a
pavilion
pool,
shelter
in
the
rear
yard.
E
At
the
october
and
november
meetings,
the
pavilion
pool
shelter
was
proposed
to
be
12
by
12,
with
a
height
of
9
foot
in
the
front,
the
homeowner,
I'm
sorry
that
should
have
said
15
foot
in
the
front.
The
homeowners
have
scaled.
The
pavilion,
slash
pool
shelter
down
to
be
10
foot
by
14
foot,
with
a
height
of
10
foot,
one
in
the
front
and
eight
eight
one
inch
three
quarters
in
the
rear.
E
The
front
will
have
an
eight
foot,
one
inch
head
room
clearance
and
the
rear
will
have
a
head
clearance
of
approximately
six
foot
eleven
inches.
Roughly
the
structure
to
be
is
to
be
located
in
the
same
location
as
a
previously
existing
cabana,
the
measured
12
by
12
with
a
height
of
9
foot.
The
new
structure
will
face
towards
the
backyard
pool
area
and
the
roof
will
slope
down
towards
the
fence.
The
proposed
structure
will
be
constructed
out
of
pressure
treated
pine
and
will
be
open
on
all
sides.
E
The
post
will
be
a
glue,
lamb
material.
However,
no
additional
product
information
was
submitted
by
the
homeowner
staff,
confirmed
that
the
roof
will
be
a
gray
asphalt,
shingle
roof
to
match
the
existing
home,
and
there
will.
There
is
an
existing
concrete
pad
and
new
12
inch.
Concrete
footers
will
be
poured
to
a
30
inch
to
48
inch
depth
under
each
proposed.
8X8,
post,
headers
and
brace
beams
will
be
two
by
tens.
Staff
is
accepting
of
the
proposal,
as
is
and
recommends
approval.
E
The
homeowner
has
scaled
the
height
the
height
down
five
foot
from
the
original
proposal,
which
will
help
diminish
its
visibility
from
the
street,
and
the
structure
is
now
more
comparable
to
what
previously
existed.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore
county
as
direct
design,
guidelines,
additions
and
info
page
four
and
fences
and
landscape
page
five,
as
well
as
county
code,
section
327,
405.,.
C
Thank
you,
taylor.
Thank
you.
I
think
we
should
hear
from
the
homeowner
first.
Is
that
correct?
Are
they
with
us
taylor?
Yes,.
N
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
hi
there?
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
I
did
look
up
on.
I
was
misspoken
about
the
size
of
that
cabana.
That
was
there
before,
not
that
it
makes
any
difference
really.
But
on
my
neighborhood
I
did
a
draw
a
measurement
and
it
was
16
by
20
feet
16
feet
wide
by
20
feet
long.
So
I
just
wanted
to
just
correct
that
and
when
I
said
I
thought
it
was
12
by
14
or
something
like
that.
N
It
was
actually
larger,
but
but
we
we
want
to
place
it
there,
because
we
have
a
concrete
pad
around
our
pool
and
it's
just
off
of
the
concrete
pad
where
there's
some
pavers
and
we
can
actually
do
the
columns
to
go
into
the
ground
and
make
it.
N
You
know
permanent
structure
and
we
don't
really
have
another
place
to
put
it
because
of
the
topography
of
our
land,
and
I
know
that
our
neighbors
on
the
one
side
probably
don't
want
us
to
have
it
but
it'll
be
on
our
property
and
according
to
baltimore
county
zoning
and
permits.
C
M
L
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
yep,
yep?
Okay,
I
just
we
oppose
it.
We
have
the
same
kind
of
the
same
arguments
as
last
time.
The
location,
I
think
it's
it's
clear-
that
it's
it's
right
along
it's,
it's
still
gonna
be
highly
visible
from
the
street.
If
you
could
go
to
this
street
view,
photo.
L
And
so
from
from
the
street,
now
it'll
be
lower
than
that.
This
is
the
same
that
I
submitted
last
time,
but
the
the
roof,
the
entire
roof
structure,
will
still
be
visible
from
the
street
and
then
the
next
photo
shows
that
it's
completely
adjacent
to
our
front
yard.
L
It's
it's
as
close
to
the
property
line
as
close
to
her
house,
as
it
really
can
get
it's
about
15
feet
from
the
back
of
her
house
between
the
back
of
her
house
and
the
front
of
our
house,
which
is
a
a
crowded
area.
She's
got
a
big
backyard.
L
L
Our
holly
tree
will
not
really
block
it
there,
as
you
can
see,
and
and
this
picture
of
the
fence,
just
kind
of
shows
that
the
slope
in
the
proposed
location
towards
the
left
is
really
no
different
than
the
slope
on
the
right
very
slightly
different
and
and
this
the
survey
that
was
submitted
with
this.
It's
a
survey
from
prior
the
prior
owner
and
it
doesn't
show
the
fence
in
the
in
the
relocated
spot.
It
shows
it
where
it
was
before.
So
it's
really
not
three
or
four
feet
in
that
spot.
L
From
the
property
line.
It's
like
two
feet
there
and
the
roof
is
almost
it's
15
by
almost
12
feet,
180
square
feet
of
water
dumping
over
the
fence
line
onto
the
property
line.
There's
no
mention
of
a
gutter
there,
nothing
to
prevent.
You
know
an
erosion
trench
from
happening,
snow
and
ice.
I
think
mr
horde
mentioned
last
time.
That
was
one
of
the
concerns
the
prior
cabana
had.
L
The
prior
cabana
really
wasn't
even
seven
feet
tall.
You
couldn't
see
it
there's
evidence
of
that
in
the
picture
submitted,
you
really
couldn't
see
it
from
the
street
at
all.
It
was
not
taller.
The
fence
supported
it,
so
it
was
really
not
visible
at
all.
We
don't
feel
that
the
structure
is
in
any
way
consistent
with
the
glendon
community,
the
historic
glendon
there's
no
lean
twos
and
there's
still
no
mention
of
hurricane
straps.
L
If
the
roof
takes
off
towards
our
house
and
there's
also
mentioned
in
the
code
about
you
know,
anything
five
feet
from
the
property
line
requires
a
one-hour
fire
rated
safety
wall
with
no
openings
on
that
side.
Under
the
building
guidelines.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
comments,
commission
members
and
anything
that
you
would
like
to
ask
or
discuss
about
it.
A
There
is
no
plan
of
the
of
the
bill
of
the
structure
that
shows
how
close
it
is
to
the
property
line,
and
I
have
a
feeling
that
it's
going
to
be
right,
adjacent
to
the
property
line,
and
I
think
that
the
overhang
is
going
to
shoot
the
water
from
the
roof
over
onto
the
neighbor's
property,
which
should
not
happen.
I
mean
you
should
not
be
draining
a
roof
directly
onto
your
neighbor's
property.
A
That's
that
I
have
a
problem
with
and
I
don't
have
any
there's
no
plan
that
shows
how
close
it
is
to
the
actual
fence.
So
I
I
have
no
way
of
knowing.
Is
that
true
or
not
true?
And
you
know
at
minimum,
it
should
have
a
gutter,
I
think
at
minimum.
It
ought
to
be
a
couple
of
feet
away,
so
the
water
that
does
come
down
doesn't
just
drain
into
the
to
the
neighbor's
property.
I
I
do
think
that's
an
issue.
M
Miss
miss
bear
said
she
wrote
me
a
message
that
it'll
be
four
to
six
feet
from
the
property
line.
A
Well,
I'd
like
to
know
what
it
would
be
from
the
property
line,
there's
no
plan
that
we
have.
That
shows
how
it's
going
to
relate
to
the
pool,
how
it's
going
to
relate.
There's
just
a
little.
You
know
a
marker
shown
on
this
on
the
site
plan
and
we're
hearing
from
the
adjacent
neighbor
that
that's
is
the
old
location
of
the
fence.
So
I
it
doesn't
really
tell
us
where
it
is.
So
I
it's
six
to
eight.
You
know,
four
to
six,
I
mean
I
from
the
column
from
the
edge
of
the
roof.
A
I
don't
know
what
you
know.
What
we're
talking
about.
It's
not
really
defined
the
section
that
they
show
doesn't
show
that
it
would
be
nice
that
this
section
showed
the
fence.
So
we
knew
oh,
that's,
fine.
It's
got
plenty
of
room
or
no,
it's
it's
going
to
shoot
the
water
right
over
the
fence,
so
even
with
a
gutter,
you'd
need
to
make
sure
that
it
slopes
the
gutter
is
placed
and
the
downspout
is
placed
in
a
way
that
it
directs
the
water
away
from
the
neighbor's
yard.
A
So
I,
for
that
reason
I
have
a
problem
with
it.
I
do
think
there's
a
lot
of
room
in
the
back
and,
yes,
it
has
a
slope
but
there's
other
areas
that
they've
raised
and
leveled
with
a
small
wall
that
that
works.
Fine
to
have
it
in
the
back.
I
think
you'd
have
more
comfort
more.
I
think
it'd
be
a
nicer
design
in
the
back,
but
that's
neither
here
nor
there,
but
I
do
have
a
problem
with
the
potential
for
drainage.
C
A
C
Any
additional
information
that
might
solve
that
problem
for
ed
in
any
of
the
the
drawings
or
or
is
have
we
seen
everything
that
was
offered
to
us
taylor.
C
And
then
are
we
are
we
overstepping
into
a
zoning
issue,
or
is
this
all
within
our
purview.
E
I
don't
think
that
this
is
overstepping
into
a
zoning
issue.
It's
determining
where
the
cabana
is
to
be
or
the
shelter
is
to
be
post
located.
I
think
getting
into
a
zoning
issue
would
be
saying
that
it.
E
C
E
D
If
I
look
at
this
fight
plan
that
was
was
submitted,
it
appears
that
is
the
privacy
fence.
Still
there.
M
No,
that's
a
that's
a
site
plan.
The
fence
has
moved
over,
but
that's
that's
an
older
site
plan.
M
O
Yes,
I
have
a
question
if
I
remember
correctly
last
time,
we
said
that
this
location
wasn't
really
appropriate,
because
you
know
it's
visible
from
the
street.
It's
too
close
to
defense,
and
I
think
we
already
discussed
that
that
this
is
not.
You
know
the
proper
location
for
the
v,
and
actually
they
will
have
more
privacy
if
they
put
like
behind
the
pool
and
not
like
in
the
property
line.
O
The
only
thing
that
they
submitted
now
is
the
drawings
which
is
fine
to
have
it,
but
I
agree
with
add.
I
think
this
location
is
not
the
pretty
and
I
would
not
vote
in
favor.
C
Any
other
comments
questions
so
what
we
will
we
will
do,
we
will
vote
up
or
down
on
this
and
then
we
can.
If
we
vote
down
it
would
be
remanded
back
to
the
property
owner
to
solve
the
questions
that
have
been
brought
up.
So
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve.
A
I'll
make
a
motion
to
just
to
not
not
approve
it.
C
Okay,
okay,
we
can,
we
can
do
it
that
direction
too.
So
we
have
a
motion
to
not
approve
and
steve.
Do
I
see
you
seconding
that?
Yes,
thank
you,
so
what
what
what
you're
voting
on?
So,
if
you
vote
yes
on
this
motion,
we
are
not
approving
it
and
it
was
being
sent
back
to
the
to
the
homeowner
for
further
detail.
D
K
E
D
F
E
C
C
Thank
you
and
and
and
then
you
will
pass
on
to
miss
baer
that
the
kind
of
detail
we
want,
and
so
it's
not
a
final.
No,
it's
a
continuation
of
some
detail.
E
Correct
yep
and
she
is
online
and
also
staff
will
communicate
via
email
tomorrow
that
the
commission
is
primarily
concerned
with
the
location
and
that
it
is
highly
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way.
So.
I
A
C
E
E
The
ross
property
is
located
at
21,
chatsworth
avenue
it's
a
final
landmark
and
was
constructed
in
1830
in
the
vernacular
style.
With
some
greek
revival
details,
the
applicant
is
proposing
five
work
items
to
restore
the
home
work
item.
One
is
the
in-kind
replacement
of
the
existing
three-tab
asphalt,
shingle
roof
on
the
main
home
with
an
owings
owens,
corning
duration,
shingle
roof
in
estate
gray.
All
flashings
will
be
replaced
and
there
will
be
no
change
in
the
roof
style
or
shape.
Staff
recommends
approval
as
proposed
since
it's
an
in-kind
replacement.
E
Work.
Item
number
two
is
for
the
replacement
of
the
existing
wood
shingle
roof
on
the
historic
smokehouse,
which
is
a
two-story,
brick
and
frame
structure
with
a
regular
footprint.
The
brick
portion
contains
a
dairy
in
the
lower
story,
which
is
slightly
below
grade
and
a
smokehouse
above
a
frame.
Addition
was
added
to
its
west
elevation
at
an
unknown
date
and
is
sheathed
in
board
and
batten.
Siding
the
property
owner
is
proposing
to
replace
the
existing
wood
shingle
roof
with
certainty.
Belmont
asphalt,
shingle
in
stone,
gate
gray,
as
proposed.
E
This
replacement
material
does
not
meet
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
or
the
county's
design
guidelines.
Our
design
guidelines
state
that
deteriorated
sections
of
wood,
shingle
roofs
should
be
removed
and
replaced
in
kind
with
high
quality,
wood,
shingles
or
shakes
that
match
the
installation
and
decorative
pattern
of
the
original
roofing
material.
That's
coming
from
roofs,
page
8..
In
addition,
the
guidelines
state
that,
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
the
lpc
may
consider
alternative
materials
other
than
in-kind
if
the
original
material
is
no
longer
available.
E
However,
what
shingles
still
are
if
the
existing
material
has
failed
and
is
likely
to
fail
again
would
shingles
would
hold
up
for
the
lifespan
of
wood
shingles
if
the
existing
material
is
not
original.
However,
no
information
was
provided
on
this,
but
the
roof
material
likely
is
original
and
if
the
roof
is
not
visible
from
the
street,
which
it
is
not
when
taking
those
consideration
when
taking
those
conditions
into
consideration,
our
design
guidelines
also
state
that
any
decision
to
use
an
alternative
material
should
be
weighed
against
the
primary
concern
of
maintaining
the
building's
historic
character.
E
Although
the
dairy
smokehouse
is
not
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
wood
shingles
is
a
material
that
is
readily
available
today
and
while
staff
understands
that
a
wood
shingle
roof
would
need
to
be
replaced
in
the
future.
It
is
a
good
quality
material
that
will
last
15
to
20
years,
if
not
more,
depending
on
the
quality
of
the
wood.
With
all
this
in
mind,
additionally,
having
an
intact
historic
outbuilding
is
rare
in
itself,
and
the
material
should
be
maintained.
E
Outbuildings
are
often
the
first
to
be
lost,
but
provide
a
lot
of
information
about
domestic
life
in
the
19th
century.
Additionally,
the
proposed
shingles
and
the
proposed
color
do
not
match
the
aged
shingle
roof,
but
rather
mimic
that
of
a
slate
group.
Staff
encourages
the
lpc
to
discuss
these
concerns,
but
recommend
that
the
roof
be
replaced
with
a
wood
shingle
that
matches
the
existing
shingle
dimensions
in
kind
or
that
the
roof
be
replaced
with
a
composite
or
synthetic
wood.
E
Wood
shingle
shake
with
the
same
dimensions
and
a
color
that
matches
aged
wood
brook
item
3
is
for
the
replacement
of
missing
handrails
on
the
front
stoop
steps
the
previous
metal
railing
is
missing.
However,
a
small
portion
of
the
metal
post
locations
still
exist
in
the
concrete
steps.
The
proposed
railing
will
be
all
steel
painted
black.
The
new
post
will
be
welded
into
the
existing
stubs
of
the
former
posts.
It
will
have
a
simple
handrail
with
lateral
scroll
ends,
while
no
older
photos
were
found
or
submitted,
showing
the
missing
handrail.
E
The
design
is
compatible
with
that
of
the
house,
and
it
does
not
distract
from
the
main
historic
house.
Staff
recommends
approval
as
proposed
work
item.
Four
is
for
two
cellar
door
covers
one
on
the
front
elevation
and
one
on
the
rear.
The
cellar
doors
will
be
made
of
treated
pine.
The
applicant
submitted
a
drawing
of
the
proposed
doors.
The
installation
does
not
negatively
impact
the
home
and
staff
recommends
approval,
as
proposed
finally
work
item.
5
is
for
the
installation
of
steps
to
the
smokehouse
dairy
in
photos
of
the
structure.
E
The
ghost
of
previous
steps
can
be
seen
in
the
paint.
Additionally,
staff
found
a
photo
from
the
2006
mint
form,
and
while
it
is
not
a
clear
photo,
you
can
make
out
the
location
and
simple
design
of
the
steps
the
applicant
has
provided
a
drawing
of
the
proposed
steps
and
landing
in
the
meeting
materials.
There
will
be
either
treated
wood
or
rough
cut
oak,
the
width
of
the
stairs
will
be
36
inches
and
a
landing
will
be
36
by
48..
E
No
information
on
how
they
will
be
attached
to
the
structure
was
provided.
Staff
does
not
have
an
issue
with
the
stairs
as
they
will
be
constructed
in
the
same
location
as
previous
stairs
and
landings,
and
therefore
recommends
approval.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work
items,
one
three,
four
and
five
as
proposed
and
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
replacement
of
the
smokehouse
roof,
with
the
condition
the
replacement
material.
Be
either
wood
shingles
or
a
composite
wood
shingle
to
match
the
existing?
P
P
Assume
by
the
discussion
everything's
approved,
except
for
the
smokehouse
building
and
the
roof,
is,
as
you
can
see
from
it
great
at
present,
it's
in
deteriorated
so
much
that
there's
water
damage
in
the
place
and
the
smoke
houses
is
in
jeopardy
of
falling
falling
down.
C
P
Do
apologize
the
roofer
I
went
with
I
tried
to
say
from,
although
the
roof
shingles
are
pretty
degraded
and
in
places
they're
totally
gone
as
you
can
see,
there's
holes
in
the
roof.
I
tried
to
get
the
roofer
to
get
something.
That's
in
the
classic
look,
and
that
was
the
most.
That
was
the
only
thing
he
could
come
up
with
that's
historic
in
the
historic
line.
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
those
comments.
Commission
members,
any
discussion
on
any
of
the
items.
K
Hi,
this
is
chris
about
the
stair
on
all
for
the
stair
and
I'm
all
for
replicating
historic
things,
but
as
drawn
it's
a
safety
issue,
and
I
just
want
to
comment
that
we
are
not
approving
this.
K
For
the
safety
in
specific,
the
railing
would
allow
a
toddler
to
fall
through
it
and
that's
about
an
eight
foot
drop.
So
that's
gonna
get
picked
up
in
plans
review.
I
hope
and
we're
not
commenting
on
the
safety
of
that.
A
A
A
A
A
It's
not
going
to
look
like
this,
so
what
you're
showing
us
is
not
what
we're
actually
approving
and
it
needs
to
have
railings
that
meet
code
and
code
says
you
can't
have
more
than
four
inches
between
the
railings
that
a
four
inch
ball
can
pass
between
so
you're
going
to
have
to
do
something
different
and
then
it's
going
to
have
to
come
back
to
us.
If
it's
not
done
the
way
this
drawing
is
showing-
and
I
can't
approve
something
that
I
know
is
going
to
be
changed
by
because
it
doesn't
meet
code.
A
So
I'm
I
would
have
to
vote
against
the
stairs
and-
and
I
think
you
need
to
come
back
with
a
stair
that
has
an
accurate
one,
an
accurate
drawing.
So
we
know
that
it
really
does
work
and
we
know
what
we're
actually
approving,
because
I
don't.
I
don't
have
that
now,
because
I
know
what
you
have
here
will
not
be
the
way
it's
built.
C
Okay,
so
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
some
and
not
approve
others.
It
sounds
like
it's.
The
direction
you're
headed
at
and
steve,
so
is
somebody
prepared
to
put
that
into
a
motion.
J
J
And
also
placement
of
the
railing
goes
into
the
smokehouse
rewelding
it
into
what's
left
of
the
stub
up
frame.
J
C
So
let
me
read
that
back
before
we
ask
for
a
second.
What
I
hear
you
saying
steve
is
that
we
would
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
items.
C
E
G
K
G
K
K
E
D
E
F
C
Bring
back
a
drawing
that
we
can
be
sure
number
one
meets
code,
but
then
also
make
sure
it's
appropriate
for
the
structure.
F
E
F
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay.
The
next
item
up
taylor
is
number
13
or,
if
I
skipped
ahead
here,
one
he
skipped
one.
M
E
E
The
proposal
is
revised
construction
plans
for
a
rear
edition.
At
the
november
2021
lpc
meeting,
the
homeowners
came
before
the
commission
for
extensive
exterior
rehabilitation
of
the
home
and
the
construction
of
a
rear.
Two-Story
addition,
the
commission
approved
the
rehab
work
for
the
home,
but
denied
the
addition
providing
significant
feedback
about
the
size
and
sale
of
the
edition
and
windows.
I'm
recommending
the
homeowners
come
back
in
january.
E
As
a
reminder,
the
property
is
located
on
a
corner
lot
and
has
two
elevations
that
are
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way.
The
southeast
or
left
side
faces
glendon
avenue
and
then
northeast
or
front
piece
of
central
avenue.
The
homeowners
have
reworked
the
addition,
based
on
the
commission's
suggestions.
E
Changes
made
to
the
addition
include
new
dimensions:
a
setback
on
glen
on
the
glendon
avenue
side
to
create
more
of
a
separation,
no
setbacks
on
the
northwest
side,
as
it's
not
visible
from
the
road
and
is
hidden
by
the
porch.
The
larger
rear
porch,
with
a
larger
rear
porch
with
wood
posts,
railings
composite
decking
and
steps
anderson,
casement
windows
to
mimic
double
hung
windows,
a
window
style
change
from
two
over
one,
a
windowsill
change
to
two
over
one
instead
of
one
over
one.
E
The
windows
on
the
first
and
second
story
are
now
aligned
and
the
roof
line
appears
to
be
slightly
smaller
than
the
main
historic
block
of
the
house.
Staff
is
accepting
of
the
changes
made
to
the
addition.
However,
the
updated
plans
have
some
errors
and
lack.
Notations
staff
recommends
approval
with
the
condition
the
updated
plan.
The
plans
be
updated
to
have
proper
corrections,
labels
and
notations,
and
that
the
plans
be
approved
by
staff
prior
to
permitting
and
starting
work
with
that.
C
M
All
right
joanna
and
kevin
you're
unmuted.
So
if
you
wish
to
add
anything,
go
right
ahead.
Q
M
The
hand
the
hand
one
the
hand
notations
are
fine.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
matched
and
a
lot
of
the
comments
on
here
was
before
you,
okay,
I.
M
Q
C
C
You're
hearing
none
is
there
a
motion
to
approve,
as
the
staff
recommended.
C
Thank
you,
chris,
a
second,
a
second
steve.
Thank
you,
steve
roll
call,
taylor.
K
D
G
D
E
Yes,
our
last
agenda
item
on
for
discussion
as
agenda
item
number
13..
This
is
the
center
for
social
change,
property
at
3601,
briarstone
road
in
randallstown.
It's
a
contributing
structure
in
the
fieldstone
county,
historic
district
and
the
proposal
is
the
in-kind
replacement
of
wood
windows.
3601
briarstone
road
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
fieldstone
county,
historic
district.
The
structure
built
in
1947
is
a
ranch
style
with
colonial
revival,
constructed
of
typical
fieldstone
found
within
the
district.
E
The
applicant
is
proposing
the
replacement
of
existing
wood
windows
as
they
are
in
various
conditions,
with
some
appearing
to
be
worse
than
others.
Photos
submitted,
show
deterioration
to
window
glazing
and
wood
trim.
The
application
site's
32
windows
will
be
replaced.
However,
information
submitted
does
not
match
what
was
included
in
the
pillow
window,
specs,
which
call
for
29
windows
to
be
replaced.
E
The
proposed
replacements
are
double
hung:
wood,
pillow
reserve,
traditional
style
windows
with
integral
light
technology
grills
that
are
permanently
bonded
to
the
inside
and
outside
of
the
window.
Glass
non-glare
foam
spacers
in
between
the
grill
casts
a
realistic
shadow
like
individual
window
panes
would
so
the
girls
look
create
the
look
of
a
true,
divided
light
window
staff
provide
an
example
of
the
ilt
grills
in
the
meeting
material
packet.
E
The
pella
quote,
with
all
windows
proposed
for
replacement,
is
also
included
in
the
meeting
materials
staff,
encourages
the
commission
to
confirm
the
number
of
windows
being
replaced
as
it
differs
between
the
application
and
the
pella
specs
as
well
as
discuss.
If
replacement
is
the
most
appropriate
procedure
from
the
photos,
it
appears
that
some
of
the
windows
are
in
better
condition
than
others
and
can
mostly
be
repaired.
Should
the
commission
be
in
favor
of
replacement?
Staff
is
accepting
of
the
proposal
as
it
is
in
kind
with
the
condition
the
basement
windows
match.
E
The
existing
three
light
styles.
Instead
of
the
six
light
style
proposed,
staff's
recommendation
is
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
the
condition
the
basement
windows
match
the
existing
three
light
style,
setting
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
windows
and
doors
pages,
one
to
five
and
county
code,
section
327405.
A
Do
we
have
the
the
homeowner
here.
M
I
have
a
applicant,
the
property
representative
for
center
for
change.
Jay
neighbor
online,
I'm
gonna
unmute.
You
have
anything
to
add
you're
welcome
to
do
that.
R
I
good
evening,
everyone
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
this
I
apologize,
but
we
kind
of
had
this
thing
in
the
works
because
of
the
deteriorating
conditions
of
the
existing
windows.
However,
we
had
to
mull
our
way
through
to
find
out
how
we
go
about
getting
permissions
and
because
of
lack
of
time
there
is
yes,
there
might
be
an
oversight
on
the
number
quoted
by
pella
versus
what
we
had
proposed
just
to
keep
the
integrity
of
the
entire
structure.
It
really
is
necessary.
R
It
might
be
from
the
outwardly
appearance
that
some
of
the
windows
could
possibly
be
repaired
in
what
I
have
accessed
and
what
our
contractors
have
looked
at.
Basically,
these
things
are
far
gone
to
the
point
where
they
could
cause
further
damage
to
the
structure
entirely.
R
C
So
taylor
and
caitlin
kind
of
a
technical
question.
The
condition
of
the
windows
is
that
at
issue,
or
is
it
more
the
issue
that
we
need
to
know
the
number
and
that
the
windows
be
replaced
with
the
appropriate
replacement
windows.
E
Both
we
obviously
want
to
know
how
many
windows
are
being
replaced
and
what
they're
being
replaced
with
and
making
sure
that
there's
consistency
across
the
application.
What's
what
the
commission
is
approving
and
then
what
staff
is
approving
on
the
permit,
as
far
as
the
condition
that
the
condition
of
the
windows
that
matters
equally,
because
if
the
commission
feels
that
the
windows
could
be
repaired
instead
of
replaced,
they
could
offer
that
approval.
E
One
thing
that
is
an
option
if
the
commission
doesn't
feel
comfortable
approving
replacements
without
a
site
visit
is
that
you
could
vote
to
assign
a
technical
committee
to
visit
the
site.
That
would
be
a
select
group
of
commissioners
that
go
out,
and
you
could
also
vote
that
the
technical
committee
visits
the
site
and
then
offers
a
decision.
That
is
an
option
if
that
is
something
that
you
guys
feel
more
comfortable
with,
or
a
technical
committee
could
do
a
site
visit
and
then
report
back
at
a
following
meeting.
A
And
one
of
the
john
one
of
the
issues
is:
if
the
windows
are
repairable,
they
should
not
be
replaced.
So
that's
that's
the
question.
That's
in
this
and
I
agree
some
of
them
look
like
they're
in
great
shape,
so
they
should
not
be
replaced.
That's
the
that's
the
county
guidelines.
That's
the
national
park
service
guidelines.
A
N
A
R
The
wood
is
not
okay,
it's
basically
glazing.
That's
been
shaped
to
look
like
wood
and,
in
my
opinion,
if
we
were
to
replace
windows
for
a
static
purpose
purposes,
it
will
be
better
to
replace
all
of
the
windows
rather
than
just
some,
because
then
there
is
that
possibility
of
mismatch
somewhere.
R
R
C
Thank
you,
mr
neighbor,
so
at
this
point
rather
than
debate
this
without
seeing
it,
and
if
you
want
to
make
a
motion
for
a
technical
committee,
let's
vote
on
that
first,
so
that
the
committee
has
first,
the
commission
has
firsthand
information
when
we
next
review.
It.
H
Did
I
ask
a
question
first,
john
sure
is
wendy?
Has
anyone
consulted
a
you
know
a
historic
window
person
that
does
repairs
who
would
know,
I
think
whether
they
can
be
repaired
or
not.
R
R
Yes
and
then,
basically,
the
person
was
saying:
I'm
amazed
that
these
things
are
holding
the
way
you
have
done
the
repairs,
because
a
good
strong
draft
could
have
the
entire
set
of
sash
one
or
the
other
inside
the
house,
and
that's
what
our
fear
is
a
lot
of
these
are
actually
on
the
bedrooms.
F
I
R
And
the
windows
are
in
in
one
small
bedroom,
there
is
just
that
one
window
and
it
is
drafty
and
it
is
held
up
it
I
mean
we've
done
as
much
could
be
possibly
done
to
the
wood,
which
is
basically
far
gone,
and,
of
course
these
are
individual
panes
of
glass,
unlike
what
is
proposed,
which
is
one
integral
part,
and
the
grills
are
glued
onto
it
from
the
exterior
and
the
interior.
A
A
motion
that
we
assemble
a
technical
committee
to
review
the
status
of
the
windows
and
make
a
recommendation
to
the
commission.
C
For
a
second
second,
thank
you,
wendy
roll
call
vote,
taylor.
E
R
Thank
you.
That
was
my
concern
as
well,
because
you
know
it's
peak
of
winter
coming
up.
A
B
It
sounded
like
taylor
or
caitlyn
when
you
were
first
explaining
the
the
options
for
the
technical
committee
that
there
were.
Perhaps
you
know
two
options
still
having
a
technical
committee
go
out
and
do
that,
but
one
we
would
just
accept
the
technical
committees
reported
versus
you
know.
Is
there
a
way
that
it
could
be?
You
know
approved
before
the
february
meeting
through
the
technical
committee.
E
Caitlyn,
I
will
defer
to
you.
I
know
that
we
have
had
past
instances
where,
like
work
is
emergent
and
you
know
at
risk
of
damaging
the
structure
and
the
commission
has
voted
to
essentially
defer
to
a
technical
committee
and
the
technical
committee
goes
out.
They
essentially
do
the
job
of
the
complete
commission
within
themselves,
since
it's
an
emergency
basis
but
caitlin
I'll
defer
to
you
on
that.
M
I
don't
have
an
issue.
If
then,
the
tactical
committee
goes
out
and
does
the
report
and
share
it
with
the
commission
through
email
and
if
everybody's
in
agreement,
maybe
they
what
the
final
result
is
if
it's
either
they're
okay,
if
it's
simple
like
they're,
okay,
with
the
the
replacement
as
proposed,
I
would
be
fine
with
if
the
commission
either
allows
staff
to
administer.
You
know
to
approve
it
that
way,
but
it's
something
maybe.
M
Bit
more
involved,
if
you
know
there's
some
some,
they
think
could
be
repaired
and
others
be
replaced.
That's
something
I
think
that
maybe
would
have
to
come
back
to
the
commission,
but
if
it's
like
an
easy,
simple
approval
for
we
do
what
they
do,
we're
fine
with
the
replacement.
M
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know
the
commission
would
be
okay
to
allow
staff
to.
But
if
it's
something
more
involved,
maybe
go
back
to
the
commission.
C
So
so
phoebe
you
could
offer
an
amendment
to
ed's
motion
to
allow
commission
with
staff.
I
mean
the
inspect
committee
with
staff
approval
to.
B
C
B
C
L
C
I
think
we
know
hey
very
good
and
and
so
may
we
have
a
roll
call
vote.
Taylor.
K
G
K
K
G
D
F
C
Yes,
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you
all
and
then
taylor
there's
some
other
business.
Some.
G
E
Yes
correct
as
far
as
other
business
avalon
and
setting,
which
is
a
final
landmark
at
309,
gun
road
in
relay.
They
had
a
fire
back
on
october
30th
and
in
their
guest
house.
Thankfully,
no
one
was
hurt,
but
they
did
need
to
do
some
in-kind
replacements
of
the
asphalt
shingle,
roof,
aluminum
siding
and
they
needed
to
replace
five
vinyl
windows.
All
of
the
work
was
proposed
to
be
done
in
kind
since
it's
in
conjunction
with
a
insurance
claim,
so
staff
offered
emergency
approval
of
that
so
that
they
could
secure
the
home.
E
Additionally,
just
a
reminder
of
our
inclement
weather
policy.
If
baltimore
county
public
schools
are
closed
or
get
out
early
and
don't
have
any
evening
activities,
the
commission
does
not
meet
we'll
always
send
you
an
email,
letting
you
know,
if
that's
the
case,
but
just
kind
of
a
reminder,
since
we
have
had
some
winter
weather
lately
and
that's
everything
that
I
have.
C
Good,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Caitlin.
Thank
you.
Taylor.
Thank
you,
homeowners
for
caring
enough
to
come
and
speak
with
us.
Any
other
questions
comments
anything
else.
We
need
to
bring
up.