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A
I
will
call
upon
first
the
introduction
of
the
commission
members
and
I'd
like
to
start
this
evening
with
solissa
jefferson,
who
is
our
newest
member
and
so
lisa.
Could
you
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself
and
then,
if
we
can
go,
go
through
the
introduction
of
the
rest
tail
or
if
you
can
show
that
screen.
B
Sure,
hello,
everyone
good
evening,
my
name
is
selisa
jefferson.
I
am
so
happy
to
be
here.
I
come
with
experience
in
community
economic
development.
I've
worked
in
baltimore
city,
baltimore
city
main
streets
program,
which
is
an
affiliate
to
main
streets,
america
and
the
natural
net
excusing
natural
preservation.
Trust
I've
worked
in
many
different
capacities
within
main
streets
from
onboarding
arts
and
entertainment
districts,
finding
grants
for
our
historic
districts
such
as
fells
point
federal
hill
and
I'm
just
so
honored
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
B
D
A
F
Hey
john,
I
just
need
to
interrupt.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
you
call
the
meeting
to
order,
because
you
forgot.
A
J
Hi,
my
name
is
ray
scott.
I'm
a
council
appointee
from
district
seven.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
are
your
volunteer
representatives
appointed
by
our
county
council
person
or
county
executive
and
entrusted
to
monitor,
renovations
and
additions
to
our
baltimore
county,
historic
resources.
We
review
and
approve
nominations
to
the
baltimore
county.
Preliminary
landmarks
list
and
comment
on
national
register
nominations.
A
A
A
Thank
you.
The
landmarks
preservation
commission
operates
under
the
authority
standards
and
requirements
of
title
vii,
article
32
of
the
baltimore
county
code.
We
refer
to
the
united
states,
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
as
administered
by
the
national
park
service.
This
is
the
accepted
national
standard
for
historic
preservation
projects,
our
own
baltimore
county,
historic
preservation,
design
guidelines,
directly
reference
and
incorporate
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation.
A
We
have
important
preservation
issues
to
discuss
and
debate
at
each
meeting.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments,
please
limit
your
comments
to
the
specific
application
or
proposal
proposal
submission
being
reviewed.
We
ask
for
your
assistance
and
understanding
so
that
discussions
do
not
digress
as
an
additional
comment.
We
can
all
agree
that
historic
preservation
is
an
important
aspect
of
the
quality
of
life
and
place
that
makes
baltimore
county
unique.
As
a
commission,
we
seek
to
recommend
significant
buildings
and
places
for
landmark
consideration
to
the
county
council
for
their
final
vote.
A
While
we
may
disagree
in
discussion
and
voting,
we
continue
to
be
a
collegial
body
that
respects
each
other
personally
and
professionally,
and
with
that
speaking
of
professionally,
we
will
be
guided
tonight
by
our
professional
staff,
taylor,
bensley
and
caitlin
merritt.
Thank
you
so
much
as
always
for
all
you
do
for
us.
A
And
then
that
being
said,
we
will
go
to
any
consideration
of
changes
to
today's
agenda.
Anything
we
need
to
think
about
there,
taylor.
I
Yes,
real
quick
before
we
do
that,
just
since
we
have
a
lot
of
members
of
the
public
on,
I
would
like
to
offer
a
staff
reminder
on
offering
comments.
Those
of
you
that
have
signed
up
ahead
of
time
to
speak.
We
will
call
on
you
and
unmute
you
at
the
appropriate
time.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments
during
the
meeting,
there
is
a
chat
box,
please
select,
you
can
either
select
host
or
you
can
select
all
panelists.
I
Please
send
your
name
the
agenda
item.
You
wish
to
comment
on
your
relation
to
the
project
and
any
comments
that
you
may
have.
Additionally,
if
you
would
like
to
address
the
lpc
during
the
meeting,
there
is
a
hand
raised
button.
Next
to
your
hand,
you
can
click
that
to
signify
the
staff
that
you
would
like
to
speak.
I
Additionally,
please
note
that
the
information
presented
on
the
slideshow
that
you're
seeing
is
just
an
overview
of
the
meeting
materials.
The
commission
received
all
meeting
materials
one
week
ago.
Anything
that
was
submitted
has
been
shared
with
them.
This
is
just
a
visual
to
keep
the
meeting
moving
along
and
refresh
everyone's
memory,
and
with
that
there
are
no
changes
to
today's
agenda.
I
A
Thank
you
minutes
of
the
january
13th
meeting.
Are
there
any
changes
and
if
not,
is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
A
I
Yes,
thank
you
agenda
item
number
10,
the
monde
property
at
1554,
south
rolling
road
and
relay.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
relay
county.
Historic
district
mip
number
ba2531.
This
is
part
two
approval
for
the
income:
plaster
repairs
for
the
first
floor.
Fireplace
staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
citing
national
park
service,
technical
preservation,
services,
preservation,
brief
number
21,
repairing
historic
flat
plaster
and
county
code.
Section
112201
agenda
item
number
11,
the
wolf,
a
dorian
property.
I
apologize
if
I
said
that
wrong
at
623
dunkirk,
road
in
annesly.
I
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
annesley
national
register.
Historic
district
and
the
proposal
is
part
to
approval
for
electrical
updates.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties,
with
guidelines
for
preserving,
rehabilitating,
restoring
and
reconstructing
historic
buildings
and
county
code.
Section
112201.
I
I'm
sorry,
I'm
missing
a
page
of
my
notes.
Agenda
item
number
13,
the
kekkin
property
at
3605
fieldstone
road
in
fieldstone.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
fieldstone
county,
historic
district.
The
proposal
is
the
in-kind
replacement
of
the
asphalt
shingle
roof
and
aluminum
gutters
staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
roofs,
page
10
and
county
code.
Section
327405.
I
And
finally,
agenda
item
number
14,
the
crystopolis
property
at
1549,
south
rolling
road
in
relay.
This
is
a
non-contributing
structure
in
the
relay
county,
historic
district.
The
proposal
is
the
installation
of
a
six
foot
board
on
board
wood
fence
and
two
wing
gate
style
gates
to
finish
and
closing
the
rear
yard.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
issue,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
landscape,
page
four
and
county
code,
section
327-405.
A
Thank
you
and
then
voice
vote
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
hearing.
None.
Thank
you.
They're
approved.
I
No,
no
you're
good
agenda
item
number
four:
the
walt
meyer
property
at
206
west
seminary
avenue
in
lutherville.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
lutherville
county,
historic
district,
myth
number
ba
343
the
proposal's
ex
post
facto
review
of
the
garage
demolition
without
a
permit
and
or
lpc
review
for
code
enforcement,
correction
notice,
cb210.
I
206
west
seminary
avenue
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
lutherville
county,
historic
district.
The
main
house
is
a
shingled
american
four
square
style
home
with
colonial
revival.
Details
constructed
around
1910.
the
applicant
mr
bill
castle
and
his
attorney
mr
scott
brezza
are
representing
the
owner,
mr
carol
waltmeyer,
who
purchased
the
home
in
2019.
I
They
were
requesting
ex
post
facto
approval
of
the
demolition
of
a
contributing,
detached
garage
on
the
property.
The
garage
was
a
frame
one
bay,
single
story,
wood
shingle
garage
with
a
gable
roof
likely
built
around
the
same
time
as
the
home
or
a
few
years
later.
In
addition,
it
had
a
frame
lean
to
addition
on
its
rear
elevation
staff
was
alerted
to
the
work
occurring
on
the
property
on
august
4th
2021,
and
by
august
6
2021
staff
was
alerted
that
the
garage
was
demolished.
I
Code
enforcement
issued
a
correction
notice
on
september
22nd
2021
for
the
demolition
without
a
permit
and
or
lpc
review
staff
provided
additional
photos
of
the
garage
from
a
2018
real
estate
listing
and
photos
submitted
by
neighbors
in
august
with
the
meeting
materials
in
communication
with
staff.
Mr
castle
explained
that
the
garage
was
already
in
a
declining
state
when
it
suffered
damage
after
a
storm
in
june
of
2021,
where
a
large
tree
fell
on
the
on
the
property
and
in
the
vicinity
of
the
garage.
I
The
subsequent
debris
and
removal
and
demo
was
constructed
by
a
contractor
without
obtaining
the
necessary
permits.
No
insurance
claim
was
mentioned
from
photos
and
the
narrative
provided
by
the
applicant.
The
roof
showed
evidence
of
numerous
episodes
of
repairs
and
replacements,
which
included
layers
of
the
original
tin,
roof
wood,
multiple
layers
of
asphalt,
shingles
and
a
top
layer
of
cedar
shakes.
The
applicant
described
the
condition
of
the
structure
as
deteriorating,
and
the
wood
showed
evidence
of
structural
damage,
damage
from
termites
carpenter,
ants
and
rotten
wood.
I
Any
deterioration
to
the
garage
prior
to
its
demolition
over
the
last
34
years
appears
to
be
the
result
of
general
lack
of
maintenance
staff
understands
that
the
condition
of
the
garage
when
the
property
came
into
walk.
Mr
wallmeyer's,
possession
in
2019
2019
is
through
no
fault
of
his
home
owned.
However,
the
necessary
repairs
should
have
been
made
to
the
garage
under
his
ownership
prior
to
the
storm,
which
would
have
been
tax
credit
eligible
from
the
photos
submitted
with
the
application.
I
The
tree
removal
may
have
been
an
excuse
to
demolish
the
garage
rather
than
repair
it,
possibly
in
part
of
preparing
the
property
for
selling,
as
it
went
on
the
market
november
of
2021
from
the
storm
damage
in
june
to
its
demolition
in
august,
2021,
the
property
owner
and
or
the
representative
did
not
reach
out
to
staff
for
information
on
repairing
or
removing
the
garage.
Additionally,
after
demolition
began,
the
property
owners
and
or
their
representatives
made
no
attempts
to
contact
staff.
I
Historic
outbuildings
and
garages
are
often
neglected
and
the
first
structure
is
lost.
However,
they
hold
significance
and
can
share
the
history
of
evolution
of
residential
architecture
and
planned
communities
due
to
the
invention
of
the
car.
They
are
especially
important
in
lutherville,
which
was
built
as
a
resort
community
and
resolved
into
an
early
commuter
suburb
due
to
its
close
proximity
to
the
railroad
and
later
the
onset
of
the
car.
I
A
Good
and
so
as
a
reminder
to
those
who
are
speaking,
we
generally
limit
it
to
two
minutes.
Each
right.
I
Yes,
correct
the
community
members
will
each
be
given
two
minutes
caitlin
did
we
want
to
give.
F
We
have
three
minutes
on
the
screen,
so
keep
it
under
three
minutes
between
two
to
three
minutes.
I
Yes,
so
first
up
we
have
mr
scott
brezza.
He
is
the
attorney
for
the
applicant.
L
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
members
of
the
commission
for
your
time
tonight.
I
am
here
representing
mr
carol
waltmeyer,
who
is
the
owner
of
the
property
in
question.
Some
of
the
history
was
presented,
mr
walt,
but
not
all
of
it.
Mr
waltmeyer
obtained
this
property
at
a
foreclosure
sale
in
2019.
L
He
was
not
given
because
of
the
nature
of
the
purchase.
Any
background
information
for
about
the
community
about
the
historic
nature,
about
the
condition
of
the
property.
He
did
it
as
an
investment.
L
Unfortunately,
shortly
after
the
purchase,
mr
walt
meyer's
health
took
a
turn
for
the
worse.
He
suffers
from
advanced
parkinson's
disease,
dementia
and
memory
impairment
and
is
under
full-time
care.
He
is
92
years
old
as
of
this
january.
Mr
castle
who's,
also
here
tonight
and
is
will
speak,
has
been
managing
mr
waltmeyer's
affairs.
L
He
has
been
trying
to
prepare
this
property
for
sale
and
did
cosmetic
renovations
to
the
interior
of
the
premises.
They
were
evaluating
the
exeter
of
the
premises.
L
There
was
a
storm
event
that
occurred
that
knocked
down
several
trees,
and
some
of
the
branches
did
strike
the
shed,
but,
more
importantly,
it
destabilized
the
shed,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
photograph
on
page
nine,
it's
leaning
severely
and
the
contractor
that
was
there,
who
will
also
is
here
to
speak
tonight,
felt
they
he
and
mr
castle
felt
it
was
an
immediate
danger
and
that
they
needed
to
do
something
because
of
the
condition
of
the
shed.
As
you
can
see,
the
upper
right
photo.
L
It's
it's
leaning
significantly,
the
interior
of
it
was
in
very
poor
condition.
It
would
have
been
very
challenging
to
have
anybody
in
there
to
restore
the
shed.
That's
that's
really.
What
we're
here
about
this
was
an
emergency
situation
that
my
client
remedied
and
was
not
aware
at
the
time
of
the
process.
L
Now
we're
faced
with
this
situation,
the
economics
of
building
a
shed
back
to
the
condition
of
what
this
was
would
be
extremely
burdensome
and
not
economically
feasible.
For
my
client,
due
to
his
health
conditions
due
to
a
situation,
the
fact
that
he's
under
full-time
care,
this
would
be
a
major
challenge
for
him.
L
We
are
asking
the
commission
to
approve
the
demolition
x
post
facto,
due
to
all
those
factors
which
mr
castle
and
jason
wood
and
jim
bim
steffer
will
go
into
in
greater
detail.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commission
members.
Any
questions
from
mr
brezza.
E
I
have
a
question:
are
we
timing?
This?
Are
we
going
to
give
people?
You
know
you've
got
30
seconds
to
go
and.
F
I
Great,
thank
you,
mr
brezza
is
mr
castle
with
you.
Is
he
online
I'm
not
seeing
him.
I
Okay,
I'm
not
seeing
him
if
you'd
like
we
can
move
forward
with
mr
james
bims.
A
G
I
M
Wonderful,
so
I
I,
the
mr
walt
meyer,
mr
castle,
brought
me
on
board
to
help
them
with
the
process
of
selling
the
property.
I
don't
know
that
matters.
I've
been
selling
real
estate
here
in
the
area
for
oh
since
1984,
so
a
long
time
and
I've
helped
over
4
000
people
in
the
area
sell
their
home
and
move.
So
you
know
I've
got
good
experience
when
mr
castle
brought
me
in
to
look
at
that
structure
in
the
very
beginning.
You
know
I
told
him
it's
an
eyesore.
M
He
wanted
me
to
walk
into
it.
This
was
well
before
the
tree
fell
on
it.
I
would
not
go
in
that
shed,
it
was.
It
was
clearly
unsafe
from
the
beginning.
The
worst
part
looking
of
the
shed
is
actually
gone.
I
don't
see
any
pictures
of
it
from
a
marketing
point
of
view.
We
literally
took
every
picture
we
took
did
not
include
the
shed
in
it
because
it
was
an
eyesore.
It
was
a
danger.
M
It
was
something
that
I
was
very
concerned
about
even
having
the
home
on
the
market
and
having
that
there,
because
it
was
a
danger
with
the
from
the
point
of
the
uns
instability.
M
I,
if
you
actually
look
at
the
the
structure
itself,
I
do
not
believe
that
it
was
built
in
1910
or
even
close
to
when
this
home
was
built,
because
if
you
look
at
the
some
of
the
pictures
on
there,
you
look
at
the
cement
slab,
that's
a
modern
cement
slab.
It
went
all
the
way
under
the
structure.
Somebody
would
have
at
some
point
had
to
have
lifted,
that
entire
structure
up
poured
a
cement
slab
and
put
the
entire
structure
back
down.
M
And
if
you
look
at
the
wood,
it's
not
1910
hand,
hewed,
wood,
it's
it's!
It's
there's
was
more
modern
wood
on
the
inside
of
the
structure,
which
is
probably
why
that
thing
kept
falling
down.
Somebody
probably
built
that
in
the
50s
used
the
shingle
to
try
to
match
up
and
with
somebody
just
continually
putting
modern
shingles
on
top
of
it,
it's
doing
what
it's
doing
now
and
falling
down
when
the
tree
fell.
M
It
completely
demolished
the
structure
on
the
back
side
of
it
and
landed
against
the
shed
and
took
something
that
was
from
unsafe
and
unstable
to
downright
dangerous
bill.
At
the
time
when
he
was
talking
to
me,
I
had
driven
by
and
looked
at
it.
We
were
afraid
it
was
going
to
fall
over
and
crush
the
neighbors
fence
and
their
trees,
and
that
would
create
an
additional
further
problem.
So
we
bill,
you
know,
as
the
the
contractor
was
there
was
trying
to
look
at
it
to
figure
out
what
to
do.
M
It
was
coming
down,
I
mean
really,
there
was
it
would
be.
I
could
tell
you,
I've
been
I've
been
in
construction,
all
my
life.
I
would
have
not
put
one
of
my
contractors
inside
that
to
try
to
stabilize
it.
It
was.
It
was
coming
down
whether
we
wanted
it
to
or
not.
They
used
the
loader
and
I
guess,
pushed
it
over
or
pulled
it
over.
So
it
didn't
go
on
the
neighbor's
property,
but
I
mean
that
that
property
was.
It
was
not
safe
and
I
don't
think
it's
of
a
historic
nature.
M
It
it
definitely
was
aware
its
historic
neighborhood
was
aware
that
things
would
have
been
protected
and
at
the
same
time
it
was
already
coming
down.
Yeah.
A
M
H
I
do
I
have
a
question.
This
is
lilly
mandruff.
I
hear
it
being
referred
to
as
a
shed
in
a
garage
and
there
seem
to
be.
There
seems
to
have
been
two
structures.
One
attached
join
the
other.
Can
we
can
we
get
a
little
more
specific
when
they're
referring
to
the
shed?
Are
they
only
talking
about
the
back
structure
or
the
front
one
as
well.
M
Somebody
had
you
know
at
some
point,
you
know
it.
Probably
somebody
had
rabbits
or
chickens
or
or
something
of
that
nature
that
they
had
on
the
back
side
of
it
and
that
whoever
built
it
you
know
was
probably
in
the
late
80s
was
leaning
against
a
shed
which
started
the
problem,
and
then
you
know
somebody
kept
putting
roof
shingles
on
it.
The
structure
wasn't
built
to
hold
that,
but
I
you
know
frankly,
I
don't
think
you
could
you
know
if
you
had
maybe
a
a
smart
car.
A
Okay
and
then-
and
we
have
someone
else
from
the
applicant's
team
as
well
taylor.
What's.
I
Next
go
ahead,
mr
brazza.
I
Yes,
that's
what
I
was
just
gonna
say
thank
you
yeah
and,
mr
president,
just
for
clarification,
mr
castle,
is
he
is
he
the
representative
or
was
he
the
contractor
for
the
job.
I
Okay,
that
was
what
I
thought
and
mr
wood,
you
are
unmuted,
so
you
can
go
ahead
and
speak.
P
Yes,
I'm
here
I
think
everybody
said
enough
about
shed,
I
think
y'all,
could
the
idea
that
it
was
in
poor
shape.
I
mean
the
inside
of
it
had
mold
on
the
bottom,
the
floor
still
placed
for
rodney.
It
wasn't
anchored
to
the
cinderblock
foundation.
I
guess,
if
that's
what
you
call
it.
P
I
did
not
know
it
was
historical
and
there
was
damage
to
it,
but
most
of
it
was
neglect
way
before
2019
and
I
I
think
it
might
look
historical
because
the
the
shingles
nailed
to
the
side
that
were
mostly
rotten,
but
I
don't
see
how,
in
my
opinion,
it
could
be
that
historic,
the
way
it
was
built
inside
I
I
wish
I
could
show
you
every
picture
I
have
on
my
phone,
but
I
can't
thank
all
I
have
to
say
about
that.
Unless
you
all
have
questions
for
me.
E
Have
a
question
people
I've
heard
several
people
say
this
was
not
a
historic
building.
It's
built
in
the
50s,
yet
we're
hearing
that
it
had
a
metal
roof.
It
had
asphalt,
shingle
roof,
it
had
other
roofs
that
does
not
sound
like
a
role
a
building.
That
is,
you
know,
50
years
old,
40
years
old.
It
sounds
like
a
building.
That's
been
around
for
a
while.
That
is
old
enough
to
have
three
or
four
different
roofs
on
it.
E
A
little
bit
of
conflict
of
what
we're
hearing
today.
P
A
I
Yes,
mr
president,
was
there
anyone
else
from
your
team
registered
to
speak?
That's
the
only
person,
those
are
the
only
ones
I'm
seeing.
L
Mr
castle
is
also-
and
he
is
with
mr
wood.
I
Q
Okay,
thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here.
I
assure
you,
the
decision
to
take
the
action
we
did
as
an
emergency
was
not
taken
lightly,
and
I
also
assure
you
that
if
it
were
possible
at
the
time
to
rebuild
shore
up
or
even
apply
for
a
demo
permit,
I
would
have
done
that.
I
I
just
this.
The
situation
was
such
that
it
was
safe
and
the
structure
was
totally
unstable
to
back
up
what
mr
wood
said.
Q
When
the:
when
this
building
was
built,
it
was
actually
there
were
no
foundation
plates.
It
was
wood,
as
the
vertical
support
was
sitting
on
cement
blocks,
the
the
horizontal
ribs
were.
There
were
several
of
them
in
sequence,
maybe
four
or
five
they
were
attached
to
the
the
material
that
was
supporting
that
and
the
the
that
building
was
actually
held
together
and
it
was
actually
a
freestanding
building,
with
a
very,
very
heavy
roof
that
was
camel,
backing
and
totally
totally
rotten
and
and
from
weather
and
neglect.
Q
The
thing
of
it
is
is
that
if,
if
this,
the
building
was
top
heavy
and
the
storms
and
the
extreme
weather
and
the
high
winds
and
the
microburst
situation
that
took
that
giant
tree
out
actually
shifted
the
building
toward
the
neighbor's
yard
and
they
have
expensive
cars
sitting
beside
of
it
and
personal
injury.
Q
The
important
thing
is
is
that
if
we
didn't
take
action,
when
we
did,
there
was
a
really
big
risk
liability
for
me
or
mr
waltmeyer
of
someone
getting
hurt
or
property
damage
and
the
the
insurance
company
had
already
seen
inspected
the
building
shortly
after
we
purchased
it
or
he
purchased
it,
and
they
also
gave
us
a
warning
that
if
anything
happened
to
damage
property
or
personnel,
that
my
liability
coverage
would
not
be
intact,
so
you
have
to
look
at
it.
From
that
perspective,
I
love
historical
buildings.
Q
I
live
in
one
in
1885,
pre-civil
war
matter
home,
I'm
restoring
it
with
tlc
to
historical
standards.
If
I
could
have
saved
this
building-
and
we
discussed
it
many
times
with
estimates
to
do
anything
with
it
and
keep
it
as
as
it
exists,
it
was
impossible.
Every
contractor
that
I
talked
to
said
there's
no
way
to
save
this
building
is
going
to
fall
down,
and
I
assure
you
I
I
felt
and
mr
woodfelt
that
there
was
no
time
to
wait
because
it
was
going
to
be
you
had
no
meeting
in
august.
Q
It
was
going
to
be
60
days
and
if
I
had
more
time
to
to
to
do
that
process
without
putting
mr
walt
meyer
in
severe
liability,
I
was
in
a
rock
in
a
hard
place,
and
we
we
really
didn't
want
to
do
this
unless
we
had
to
and
the
act
of
nature
and
the
wind
sooner.
Q
Q
Well,
yeah!
Well,
yes,
very
quickly!
Mr
walt
meyer
is
a
92
year
old
guy
and
I'm
a
76
year
old
guy
and
all
I'm
doing
was
trying
to
help
him
get
a
little
profit
to
keep
himself
in
24
hour
care
and
to
settle
this
nice
home
to
a
wonderful
family.
Q
Secondly,
there
was
no
historical
information
provided
when
we
purchased
property,
because
it
was
a
foreclosure
sale
and
again,
I
regret
having
to
do
this.
I
didn't
only
did
it
because
this
is
the
best
interest
of
the
community
and
we
felt
it
was
an
emergency
at
the
time
and
the
time
was
working
against
us
and
I
beg
your
forgiveness
for
not
doing
this.
The
way
you
would
like
me
to
do
it,
I
felt
we
had
to
do
this
and
that's.
A
Right,
thank
you
miss
thank
you,
mr
castle,
moving
on
next
to
to
the
neighbors,
who
each
have
a
two
two
minute
limit.
How
many
do
we
have.
C
Yeah,
I
just
just
had
a
couple
questions,
so
the
storm
was
in
june.
Do
we
have
a
date
in
june
when
the
storm
was?
C
Okay
and
there.
C
Q
I
don't
believe
I
did
not
believe
so.
Okay,
I
really
didn't
know.
I
really
wasn't
aware
of
the
controlling
agency,
because
I
I
didn't
I
didn't
understand
the
I
didn't
have
all
the
bylaws
and
hoas
and
all
that
closing,
and
so
I
didn't
really
understand
the
process.
Q
Yes,
whatever
whatever
the
adjuster
will
will
can
justify
from
all
the
pictures
and
from
my
statements.
Q
C
Q
The
the
I
did
file
an
insurance
claim
and
it's
it's
ongoing,
and
so
it's
a
tree
garage
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
it's
we
that's
not
resolved
yet.
A
I
Yes,
so
far,
we
have
four
folks
lined
up
to
speak.
First
up,
we
have
miss
marianne.
I
apologize
I'm
gonna
say
this
wrong
whittlesburger
and
marion
you're
unmuted,
and
there
is
a
little
timer
on
the
screen.
You'll
be
given
two
minutes
that
goes
for
all
community
members
sign
up
to
speak.
You
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and
obviously
please
keep
your
comments
relevant
to
the
proposal
at
hand.
Thank
you.
O
O
O
When
he
came
out
to
look
at
the
property
before
he
gave
us
a
private
mortgage
to
say
that
they
only
saw
the
property
when
they
bought
it
at
foreclosure.
Sale
is
a
lie,
mr
bill
castle,
also
at
one
point
during
the
foreclosure
negotiations
brought
out
his
contractor,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
was
the
guy
that
is
there
now,
but
he
also
looked
thoroughly
at
the
property,
so
bill
castle
knows
this
property.
Well,
so
for
him
to
say,
he
never
saw
it
beforehand
is
not
true.
O
When
we
left
in
april
of
2019,
the
garage
was
in
great
shape,
it
was
sound,
it
was
not
falling
down.
There
were
no
roof
leaks,
the
roof
was
not
collapsing.
We
had
valuable
properties
stored
in
there.
I
had
expensive
bikes.
Props
sets
costumes
christmas,
decorations,
lawn
equipment,
electrical
equipment
that
we
stored
in
there.
I
would
have
never
put
anything
valuable
in
there
if
I
thought
it
was
going
to
collapse
and
fall
down
on
it.
We
also
built
sets
and
and
different
things
for
our
business
in
that
garage.
O
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
thanks
for
your
time,
but
for
at
this
moment
I
don't
know
typically,
if
we
allow
questioning
of
of
other
comments
as
opposed
to
the
applicant
caitlin
or
taylor,
can
you
advise
me
on
kind
of
the
rule
of
order
of
that.
I
No
you're
correct
the
public
is
just
on
ask
just
to
offer
testimony.
If
you
have
questions
they
should
be
directed
to
the
applicant
unless
it's
a
specific
question
for
a
neighbor
or
such
sure,.
I
Yes,
moving
on
going,
I'm
sorry
going
back
to
phoebe's
question
about
the
insurance
claim.
Mr
scott
brezza
did
send
a
chat
and
that
he
had
something
to
add
to
mr
castle's
remarks.
So
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
him
very
briefly
and
then
we'll
move
on.
So,
mr.
L
Related
to
the
insurance
claim,
we
did
attempt
to
get
documentation
from
the
insurance
carrier,
but
couldn't
in
a
timely
manner.
They
they
did
do
an
investigation.
They
did
do
a
site
visit,
but
we
don't
have
their
report
at
this
time
or
we
would
have
submitted
it.
I
All
righty
next
up,
we
have
miss
marie
frederick.
She
is
the
she's
on
the
lutherville
advisory
committee
and
marie
you
are
unmuted.
The
timer
is
on
the
screen.
So
the
floor
is
yours.
R
Okay,
so
you
have
my
letter,
and
so
I
don't
need
to
reiterate.
What's
in
the
letter,
I
just
have
a
couple
of
comments
from
listening
to
the
information
tonight,
and
that
is
a
couple
of
things
that
if
there
was
a
realtor
working
on
this
property
and
aware
of
the
property
they
should
have
known,
it
was
an
historic
district
and
they
should
have
known
what
needed
to
be
done
in
order
to
get
a
request
for
demolition.
R
Sorry,
excuse
me,
but
you
can
ask
for
an
emergency
declaration
where
you
can,
you
know,
ask
to
have
you
know
if
it
needs
to
be
downloaded
or
whatever.
So
there's
no
excuse
for
why
mr
castle
did
not
get
to
the
commission
in
june
when
there
was
a
storm,
and
why
did
we
wait
from
june
to
august
to
take
it
down
and
I
tried
to
reach
out
to
him.
R
I
went
up
to
the
house
several
times,
so
I
really
think
that
there's
really
no
excuse
that
they
didn't
know
they
were
in
a
district
and
that
they
also
did
not
get
an
emergency
hearing
for
the
commission
to.
Let
them
know
that
this
garage
needed
to
be
repaired
replaced,
and
I
live
in
a
house
that
was
built
in
1865
and
my
house
looks
like
it
has
things
that
can't
be
repaired,
but
I
have
managed
to
find
people
to
repair
them
and
fix
them
back
to
the
original
conditions.
R
So
I
think
that
it
could
have
been
repaired
had
we
wanted
to
take
the
time
and
the
funds
to
repair
them
and,
as
marianne
said,
he
didn't
just
find
out
about
the
property.
I
think
that's
pretty
much
all
I
have
to
say,
because
you
have
my
three-page
letter,
so
I
won't
bore
you
with
that.
Thank
you
so
much
thanks,
commissioner.
Thanks
taylor.
Thanks
for.
A
Everything,
thank
you,
miss,
frederick
and,
and
next
up
is.
S
S
The
cover
map
which
actually
may
have
been
produced
by
your
staff
because
it
came
from
baltimore
county.
It
includes
some
of
my
property
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
way
the
deed
is
written
as
an
exclusion
from
the
need,
so
just
know
that
any
of
those
map
graphics
are
incorrect.
The
other
thing
is,
I
live
immediately
adjacent
and
I
have
a
garage
very
similar
to
this.
S
S
I
want
you
to
all
look
very
very
closely
at
the
applicant's
photographs,
all
indications
of
instability
in
this
garage
happened
after
demolition
began,
the
picture
of
the
garage
slanted
to
the
to
the
right.
It's
only
one
wall
that
slanted
to
the
right.
It's
the
wall
that
was
starting
to
be
dismantled,
there's
no
way
that
this
would
have
rolled
onto
the
neighbor's
property,
and
you
can
see
it
from
the
images
on
the
screen
right
now.
There
are
large
trees
between
the
garage
and
the
neighbor's
fence.
There's
no
way
this
would
have
rolled
over
there.
S
A
I
T
That's
right,
thank
you,
I'm
the
person
whose
cars
and
family
and
safety
is
continually
sighted
here
and
I've
had
multiple
conversations
with
bill
castle
and
his
contractor
at
the
time,
and
at
no
time
did
they
communicate
that
they
were
worried
about
me
or
that
I
should
not
park
my
car
on
my
driveway.
T
There
are
plenty
of
pictures
that
I
took
of
myself.
You
know
by
this
big
tree
came
coming
down
and
none
of
them
are
on
the
garage.
Nothing
was
near
the
garage
there's,
a
picture
that
shows
two
eastern
redbud
trees
that
were
pushed
over
onto
the
garage.
They
were
growing
right
by
the
garage
that
is
a
staged
picture.
It
was
never
there
and
when
they
took
the
building
down
it
was
a
friday
evening.
A
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
your
comments
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
write
us
as
well.
We
appreciate
it
so
commissioners,
there
there
we
have
the
story
from
from
both
sides
of
it,
and
we
have
the
staff
recommendation
in
front
of
us
as
well
we'd
like
to
have
some
comments
or
discussion.
K
K
A
E
E
I've
I
personally
have
been
involved
in
renovating
two
garages
and
one
carriage
house
which
were
in
much
worse
condition
than
these,
and
we
were
able
to
stabilize
them.
If
one
thing
that
seems
very
disingenuous
to
me
is
this
is
about
to
fall
over
on
the
people's
property.
I
look
at
it.
I
see
no
way
that
it's
going
on
the
neighbor's
property
two.
It
says
it's
so
urgent.
We
had
to
get
it,
do
it
immediately,
yet
the
storm
happened
in
june
and
they
waited
until
the
middle
of
august
almost
two
months
before
they
did
anything.
E
They
gave
them
plenty
of
time
to
go
to
the
historic,
landmark
reservation
commission
to
get
input
and
feedback
from
the
commission.
I
think
they
just
wanted
to
not
do
it
and
get
it
and
they're
flipping
a
house
they're
trying
to
make
money.
I
understand
you
want
to
make
you
want
to
make
all
the
money
you
can
make,
and
that's
that's
reasonable,
every
you're
in
the
business
to
do
that
if
you're,
a
flipper
and
but
I
think
this
building
there
are
rules
and
laws
that
apply
that
were
not
followed
that
were
clearly
ignored.
E
We've
heard
testimony
from
several
neighbors
who
say:
they've.
They
told
the
people
about
it.
They
mentioned
it
to
castle
and
to
others.
So
I
I'm
I'm
with
chris.
I
think
this
clearly
should
be
rebuilt.
There's
no
excuse
for
tearing
it
down
without
following
the
proper
procedures
if
they
thought
that
it
was
not
repairable,
they
should
have
talked
to
the
commission
and
we've
kind
of
had
a
a
technical
committee
inspected
and
before
it's
done
and
we
can
assemble
those
in
a
matter
of
days.
So
it's
it's.
That's
disingenuous.
U
I
came
in
a
little
late.
I
did
hear
the
detail
into
that.
My
question
is
on
the
rebuild:
are
they
to
rebuild
it
as
it
was.
U
Yes,
okay,
so
we'll
be
within
the
the
I'm,
not
sure
the
exact
words,
but
it's
a
it's
a
contributing
prop.
S
J
I
A
An
old
insurance
guy
spending
my
career
in
insurance
should
their
claim
be
successful.
There
should
be
money
to
rebuild
this
very
this
very
building,
so
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
commissioners.
C
Yeah,
I
just
comment
that
I
know
the
real
estate
agent
made
a
comment
about
it
being
an
eyesore,
and
you
know
as
someone
who
is
on
the
landmark
preservation
commission
that
that
that
seems
to
be
irrelevant
a
historic
building.
D
Yes,
I
I
have
one
question:
this
is
scott,
does
the
rebuild
include
I
mean
so
there
was,
there
was
clearly
the
garage
and
then
it
looks
like
there
was
some
sort
of
secondary
structure
attached.
So
do
they
have
to
do
both,
or
is
it
mainly
the
garage
that
has
to
be
rebuilt.
A
I
Yes,
one
second
before
we
go
into
that,
mr
brezza
asked
for
one
clarification.
So,
mr
brezza,
you
are
unmuted.
L
L
Would
it
be
permissible
for
us
to
sell
the
property
subject
to
the
requirement
to
comply
with
the
order,
because
at
this
point
we're
we
are
running
into
a
situation
where
we
don't
have
somebody
with
the
authority
or
capacity
to
actually
complete
this,
and
we
just
want
the
property
dealt
with
as
efficiently
as
possible.
F
F
Sure
how
to
answer
that
question?
Typically,
if
a
property
is
sold
and
there's
a
an
open
code
enforcement
case,
that
would
be
a
responsibility
of
the
previous
owner
who
that
the
code
that
the
original
violation
was
was
on.
I'm
not
sure
if
it
can,
you
know,
be.
A
A
Well,
well,
just
not
strictly
speaking
our
purview,
but
if
the,
if
they
try
to
contract
and
sell
it
in
the
in
the
near
future.
This
this
needs
to
be
addressed.
So,
but
let's
and.
I
Yes,
I
was
just
going
to
say
we
will
get
we'll
get
an
answer
and,
mr
president,
we
will
get
back
to
you
on
that
and
with
that
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
roll
call
vote.
Yes,
please
perfect.
Chris.
K
I
D
I
G
J
V
I
D
I
G
G
U
A
I
Agenda
item
number
five
is
chatsworth:
it's
the
ross
property
at
21,
west,
chatsworth
avenue
and
reisterstown
spinal
landmark
number
74,
myth
number
ba
972
and
the
proposal
is
the
construction
of
steps
for
the
smokehouse
and
dairy.
At
the
january
2022
lpc
meeting
the
commission
reviewed
plans
to
construct
steps
for
the
smokehouse
dairy
located.
I
I'm
sorry
for
the
smokehouse
dairy,
a
two-story
brick-and-frame
structure,
with
a
regular
footprint
at
chatsworth
and
1830s
vernacular
style
home
with
some
greek
revival
details
as
a
reminder.
No
steps
exist
there.
Now,
however,
however,
the
ghosts
of
previous
steps
can
be
seen
in
the
paint
and
a
2006
photo
from
the
mip
form.
Show
the
location
and
simple,
simple
design
of
the
steps.
I
Concerns
were
raised
at
the
january
meeting
that
the
drawings
for
the
steps
were
where
a
safety
issue
has
drawn
and
that
they
would
not
meet
code
and
that
the
step
risers
did
not
make
sense.
The
commission
denied
the
construction
of
the
steps
and
asked
the
homeowner
to
resubmit
with
accurate
drawings.
The
homeowner
has
now
revised
the
drawings
for
the
steps
to
better
show
the
proposed
steps
and
landings,
and
the
drawings
include
a
note
that
the
steps
will
be
constructed
to
code.
The
stairs
and
landing
will
be
either
pressure,
treated,
wood
or
rough
cut
oak.
I
The
posts
will
be
four
by
fours,
and
the
two
by
two
by
four
railings
will
have
two
by
two
pickets
with
four
inch
spacings,
the
steps
will
have
an
eight
eight
inch
tread
and
an
eight
inch
rise.
The
width
of
the
stairs
will
be
36
inches
and
the
landing
will
be
36
inches
by
48.
Inches
staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines
punches
porches
and
steps
page
three
and
county
code,
section
327,
405.
A
Great
thank
you.
So
much
taylor
wants
to
speak
to
this
applicant
or
neighbors
or.
I
J
N
N
K
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
spoke
up
about
the
stair
previously
for
having
safety
issues
and,
while
the
sketch
still
isn't
quite
there,
the
inclusion
of
the
baltimore
county
diagram
as
to
how
dexter
should
be
built
gives
me
a
little
more
confidence
in
the
structure,
and
this
will
go
on
through
the
permitting
process.
And
I
feel
that
since
the
building
once
had
a
stair
there
that
historically,
it's
appropriate
to
rebuild
the
stair.
Q
J
J
V
J
G
D
V
G
I
I
Next
up,
we
have
agenda
item
number
six.
This
is
the
row,
may
property
at
4817
butler
road
in
glendon,
it's
a
non-contributing
structure
in
the
glendon
county,
historic
district,
myth
number
ba2498.
The
proposal
is
x,
post
facto
review
of
exterior
signage
for
code
enforcement,
correction
notice,
cb2100788.
I
4817
butler
road
is
a
two-story
brick
building
with
a
historic
glendon
bank
sign
at
the
top.
The
structure
was
constructed,
circa
1931
and
the
colonial
revival
style.
Although
it's
a
non-contributing
resource
in
the
district
as
it
falls
outside
glendon's
periods
of
period
of
significance
which
ends
in
1915,
it
has
acquired
significance
on
its
own
as
a
prominent
building
on
butler
road.
The
community's
main
thoroughfare,
the
property
is
older
than
50
years
old
and
architecturally
has
has
merit
to
be
individually
listed
on
the
national
register
or
as
a
county
landmark.
I
In
early
december,
2021
code
enforcement
issued
a
correction
notice
directing
the
property
owner
to
contact
staff
to
rectify
the
issue.
As
a
note,
staff
had
originally
contacted
code
enforcement
about
this
in
july
of
2021.
However,
there
was
a
miscommunication
on
the
correction
notice
being
issued,
which
is
why
it
was
not
issued
until
december.
I
The
property
owner
has
now
submitted
an
x-pos
facto
application
to
approve
the
sign
as
installed.
The
installed
sign
is
144
inches
by
20
inches.
It
is
painted
matte,
black
metal
with
white
lettering
and
the
dentistry's
logo.
The
sign
was
mounted
to
the
mortar
and
installed
by
a
a
signs.
The
new
signage
covers
up
the
original
historic
sign
on
the
building
before
and
after
photos
are
included
in
the
meeting
materials
enter
on
the
next
slide.
Keyland.
If
you
could
flip
to
that
preservation,
brief
number
25,
the
preservation
of
historic
signs
states,
the
following
on
new
signs.
I
The
following
point
should
be
considered
when
designing
and
constructing
constructing
new
signs
for
historic
buildings,
signs
should
be
viewed
as
part
of
the
overall
graphic
system
for
the
building.
New
signs
should
respect
the
size,
scale
and
design
of
historic
buildings.
Often
features
or
designs
of
the
building
will
suggest
a
motif
for
new
signs.
Sign
placement
is
important.
New
signs
should
not
obscure
significant
features
on
the
historic
buildings.
I
New
signs
should
also
respect
the
neighboring
buildings.
They
should
not
shadow
or
over
power
adjacent
structures.
Sign
materials
should
be
compatible
with
those
of
the
historic
building
and
new
shines
shall
be
attached
to
the
building
carefully,
both
to
prevent
damage
to
the
historic
fabric
and
to
ensure
the
safety
of
pedestrians.
I
While
staff
appreciates
the
concerns
were
given
on
how
the
sign
was
mounted
to
the
building
staff's,
most
significant
concern
is
the
location
of
the
sign,
as
it
obscures
a
significant
feature
on
the
historic
building.
The
engraved
glendon
bank
sign
is
a
character
defining
feature
and
should
have
not
should
not
have
been
covered
up
with
a
new
signage.
I
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
a
notice
to
proceed
for
the
sign
is
installed
and
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
removal
of
the
sign
and
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
sign
to
be
installed
below
the
historic
glendon
bank
lettering
in
the
location
of
the
previously
existing
glyndon
family
dentistry
sign.
This
is
citing
the
national
park
service,
technical
preservation,
services,
preservation,
brief
number
25,
the
preservation
of
historic
signs
and
county
code,
section
405
and
327-403.
W
Hello
good
evening,
I'm
dr
omay,
thank
you
so
much
for
letting
me
speak.
Yes,
I
did
install
the
sign
over
top
of
the
glendon
bank
sign
because
it's
the
most
prominent
part
of
the
building
and
I
would
often
get
people
saying.
Oh,
I
thought
this
was
a
bank
and
it's
a
business.
It's
my
dental
office,
so
I
mean
it's
a
very
busy
road
and
I'm
trying
to
help
the
community
by
providing
dental
care,
and
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
sign
that
people
could
actually
see
sorry.
W
So
if
I
move
it
down
lower
it's
going
to
obstruct
that
keystone
at
the
top.
It's
going
to
look,
I
think
it's
going
to
look
weird.
So
that's
what
I'm
worried
about
and
then
also
the
previous
sign
that
dr
toth
had
up
was
pretty
small.
It
looks
like
I
mean
just
from
a
visual
standpoint,
like
you
have
the
the
rectangles
on
the
top
and
it
says
clinton
bank,
and
then
you
have
his
below
it.
Just
like
now,
there's
so
much
stuff
going
on
it's
very
busy.
W
I
just
don't
think
it
looks
very
nice
from
that
standpoint.
I
totally
understand
covering
up
the
words
glendon
bank,
but
my
thought
process
was:
you
know,
I'm
making
my
sign
exactly
the
same
size,
as
was
the
sign
the
glendon
bank
sign,
so
it
would
be
very
like
cohesive
and
and
and
matching
in
that
regard,
and
additionally,
when
I
removed
dr
toe
sign,
which
I
don't
know
if
he
had
approval
for
that
sign,
but
it
was
attached
with
a
lot
of
adhesive
and
not
not
installed
in
a
very
nice
way.
W
I
think
he
did
it
himself,
so
I
did
really
take
the
effort
to
make
sure
it
was
installed
safely.
W
A
E
I
have
a
question:
did
you
get
a
permit
for
putting
the
baltimore
dental
company
sign
up
on
the
on
the
building.
W
I
I
did
not
because
I
I
did
ask
those
questions
previously,
because
I
wanted
to
repair
the
mortar
on
the
stone
which
I
haven't
done
anything
about
that,
but
it
seemed
like
in
the
documents
that
I
got
like
as
far
as
what
needs
approval.
It
was
like
this:
the
roof,
the
windows
this
and
like
I
didn't
see
anything
about
the
sign
so
and
I
said
well,
there's
already
a
sign
on
the
building,
which
is
the
wrong
business
name,
and
no
one
can
see
it
at
all.
W
A
W
No,
I
did
I
did
not
no,
I
did
not
get
a
sign
permit,
because
I
did
not
see
anything
in
the
literature
on
the
historic
website,
everything
that
it
discussed
about
getting
permits.
It
has
to
do
with,
like
the
brick,
the
windows,
the
steps,
the
railing
so.
A
I
I
That
said,
this
structure,
though
it
is
non-contributing
because
it
was
built
after
1915
when
glendon's
period
of
significant
ends.
As
said
in
the
staff
report,
it
does
have
merit
it
it
it's
not
a
contributing
structure
in
glendon,
however,
it
could
likely
be
listed
on
the
baltimore
county
landmarks
list
or
individually
with
the
national
register.
K
W
Yes,
could
you
further
clarify
that,
because
I'm
just
a
little
confused
as
well.
I
Sure
so
any
structure
in
a
county,
historic
district,
regardless
of
status,
requires
all
exterior
alterations
to
be
required
by
the
commission.
That
includes
anything
from
changes
on
the
building
to
changes
in
the
parking
lot
to
changes
in
the
yard.
I
I
The
structure
was
constructed
in
1931,
so
it
falls
outside
of
that
time
frame.
However,
that
said
it
has
gained
significance
over
time,
and
if
it
was
nominated
to
the
landmarks
list
or
to
the
national
register,
it
could
qualify
for
it.
So,
even
though
it's
a
non-contributing
structure,
it
does
not
mean
that
it
doesn't
have
historic
significance.
I
I
W
But
it's
so
so
it's
not
officially
on
the
historic
register.
A
Oh,
you
are
part
of
a
historic
neighborhood,
but
let's,
let's
come
back
to
the
sign
for
a
minute
just
when
we
were
asking
about
whether
you
got
a
sign
permit
and
we've
just
confirmed
this,
but
you
you
need
a
permit
for
the
sign,
regardless,
whether
you're,
replacing
a
sign
or
or
not
so
without
the
permit
you're
you're
in
violation
of
county
code,
quite
apart
from
the
historic
issues
so
so
that
will
ultimately
need
to
be
addressed
by
you
as
well.
H
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
a
if
there's
an
option
to
modify
to
you
know
literally
cut
trim
the
sign
slightly
to
fit,
and
then
whether
or
not
other
commissioners
have
an
issue
with
the
fact
that
you
know,
typically,
all
the
all
the
stuff
is
white
on
on
the
red
brick.
This
is
the
opposite
in
a
sense
now
that
it's
darker
sign,
maybe
it
will
be
more
visible,
even
though
it
it
falls
at
the
lower
location,
but
I
am
concerned
with
covering
it's
just
it's
a
much
bigger
sign
and
placing
it
really
close
to
the
arch.
H
I
Just
to
chime
in
if
that
was
the
commission's
concern,
but
you
wanted
the
sign
to
be
moved
but
did
not
want
it
to
cover
up
the
keystone.
That
could
be
part
of
the
conditional
approval
that
the
sign
be
cut
down.
Resized,
whatever
needs
to
be
done
so
that
the
keystone
is
not
covered.
Just
want
to
add
that
in
I
think,
john
and
and
you
both
had
comments.
E
Yeah,
I
have
a,
I
have
a
comment.
I
I
agree
with
lily.
I
think
it's,
I
don't
see
it
just
moving
down.
I
I
think
it's
not
appropriate
where
it
is,
it
should
be
removed
and
then
I
think
they
should
come
back
to
the
commission
with
a
suggestion
for
where
they
want
to
put
the
signs
they
could
do.
The
sign
is
a
smaller
sign,
similar
to
the
prior
sign.
They
could
do
a
monument
sign
that
sits
in
the
in
the
ground.
E
There
are
other
options
that
are
available
to
them
and
I
think
you
know-
or
it
could
be
something
else-
be
creative
and
come
back
with
a
decent
sign
thing
that
sign
design
that
works
with
a
building
and
is
appropriate.
W
W
I
assumed
that
they
would
go
through
the
normal
things
they
told
me.
Oh,
you
can
only
put
one
sign
on
the
building
because
I
wanted
to
put
like
two
sign
like
one
on
the
side
and
they
said:
oh,
you
can
only
have
one.
So
maybe
there
is
some
permit
and
I
just
don't
remember
so.
I
will
double
check
on
that.
Okay,.
E
E
A
So
so
ed,
what
I
hear
from
you
is
a
motion
to
accept
the
staff
recommendation,
with
the
added
proviso
that
they
bring
back
a
revised
plan
for
the
sign,
as.
A
I
Would
still
require
approval
because
it
is
in
the
district
and
just
to
clarify
the
staff
recommendation
was
to
approve
the
relocation
of
the
sign.
So
if
you
are
requiring
the
proposal
to
come
back
fresh,
the
application
should
be
denied
completely
it.
The
motion
would
be
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
a
notice
to
proceed
and
require
the
property
owner
to
come
back
with
a
new
signed
proposal.
I
A
A
I
I
J
V
G
D
I
K
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
dr
may,
and
we
appreciate
your
comments
and
we
hope
we
can
get
it
resolved.
We
certainly
want
everybody
to
find
a
good
dentist
in
glendon.
Thank.
J
I
Moving
on,
we
have
agenda
item
number
seven.
This
is
532
st
martin's
llc
property
located
at
3610,
stony,
brook
road
and
fieldstone.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
fieldstone
county,
historic
district
and
they're,
proposing
five
exterior
alterations,
which
I
will
describe
shortly.
The
applicant
who
purchased
the
property
on
january,
7th
2022
is
provide
proposing
five
exterior
work
items
to
rehab
the
two
and
a
half
story:
fieldstone
colonial
located
at
3610,
stony,
brook
road
work
item.
I
I
Photos
provided
show
that
some
of
this
that
there
is
some
staining
and
broken
tiles.
However,
the
roof
appears
to
be
in
repairable
condition.
There
is
no
condition
assessment
done
by
a
slate
roofer
submitted
to
show
the
condition
or
quality
of
the
slate.
In
addition,
the
feasibility
of
repairing
and
in-kind
replacements,
where
needed,
while
staff
understands
whole
slate
roof
replacements,
are
more
expensive
than
asphalt.
The
slate
roof
is
an
original
and
character-defining
feature
of
the
home
and
is
in
the
district
of
as
a
whole.
I
Therefore,
every
attempt
to
retain
the
slate
should
be
considered
before
selecting
a
different
material.
Our
design
guidelines,
roofs
page
9,
specifically
state
the
following
on
slate
roofs
slate
is
one
of
the
most
robust
roof
materials
with
a
life
of
up
to
100
years.
Nevertheless,
slate
is
subject
to
cracking,
usually
caused
by
hail
or
falling
tree
limbs
or
extensive
oxidation.
I
Additionally,
because
of
the
corrosion
of
the
anchors,
slate
tiles
may
become
detached
from
a
ruth's
sheathing
slight
shingle
feature
is
sometimes
caused
by
delamination
of
the
material
treatment.
Good
maintenance
involves
repair
and
replacement
of
individual
slates
as
they
break
down
replacement.
Slates
can
be
easily
obtained
in
a
variety
of
colors
and
shapes
to
match
the
existing
substitutes
original
slate
roofs
should
be
replaced
with
slate.
I
The
applicant
should
then
return
to
the
commission
submitting
the
assessment
with
the
new
application.
The
applicant
should
note
that
the
roof
repairs
is
tax
credit
eligible
product.
If
the
home
is
going
to
be
homeowner
occupied
work.
Item
number
two
is
for
the
replacement
of
the
existing
gutters
and
downspouts
as
the
existing
are
deteriorated
and
in
poor
condition.
The
applicant
confirmed
via
email
on
january
27th
that
the
new
roof
and
downspouts
would
be
five
inch
round.
Aluminum
staff
recommends
approval
as
proposed
work.
Item
number
three
is
to
request.
I
The
replacement
is
the
request
to
replace
the
existing
wood
windows
with
vinyl
replacements.
The
existing
windows
are
eight
over
eight,
a
style
very
common
in
the
fieldstone
county,
historic
district,
the
historic
review,
application,
cites
inoperability,
broken
glass,
lack
of
screens
and
not
being
energy
efficient.
As
reasons
for
replacement,
the
replacement
windows
are
proposed
to
be
anderson,
vinyl
windows
in
white,
with
no
grids
or
grills,
as
proposed.
I
The
replacement
does
not
meet
the
design
guidelines,
as
the
guidelines
state
that
in-kind
replacements
refers
to
a
substitute
consisting
of
the
same
material,
light,
sash
and
other
component
part
configurations.
Vinyl
and
metal.
Clad
replacement
windows
are
not
permitted,
and
that
comes
from
page
two
of
the
windows
and
doors
section
of
the
design
guidelines.
I
The
proposed
replacement
windows
do
not
match
the
existing
windows
in
material
or
style
in
reviewing
the
photos
submitted,
staff
is
not
convinced
replacement
is
the
best
option.
The
windows
do
not
appear
to
be
in
great
condition.
However,
with
some
new
trim
weight
and
glass
panes,
they
appear
to
be
restorable.
I
Additionally,
storm
windows
could
be
installed
to
improve
energy
efficiency
without
requiring
the
original
wood
windows
to
be
removed.
Staff
recommends
that
the
property
owners
revisit
the
proposal
and
consult
a
wood
window
specialist
to
conduct
a
conditions,
assessment
and
return
to
the
commission.
Submitting
this
report
or
analysis
with
the
march
meeting
materials
would
help.
I
The
commission
make
an
informed
appropriate
decision
in
the
event
replacement
is
the
only
or
best
way
forward
staff
recommends
the
property
owner
proposed,
replacing
the
windows
in
kind
with
the
proposed
windows
being
divided,
light
eat
over
wood
windows,
window
repairs
and
storm
window
installations.
Our
tax
credit
eligible
projects
again,
if
the
property
is
homeowner
occupied,
work.
Item
number
four
is
the
request
to
remove
four
shutters.
I
Two
sets
on
the
left
side
of
the
home
above
the
side:
porch
awning,
the
shutters
are
vinyl
and
not
original
to
the
home,
and
therefore
staff
recommends
approval
as
proposed
work.
Item
number
five
is
the
request
to
remove
the
back
door
and
install
a
new
one
for
the
historic
review
application.
The
existing
door
is
wood
and
broken
for
photos,
the
top
half
of
the
door
is
boarded
up
and
the
bottom
half
is
a
two
panel
style
based
on
a
2010
real
estate.
I
I
Item
number
two:
the
gutters
and
downspouts
to
not
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
notice
to
proceed
for
work
item
3
the
window,
replacement
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work,
item
4,
the
removal
of
the
shutters
and
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
work
item
5,
the
replacement
of
the
back
door
with
the
condition
the
replacement
door,
be
a
wood
or
fiberglass
material
and
match
the
original
door
in
size
and
appearance.
This
is
citing
baltimore
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
roofs
and
windows
and
doors
and
county
code
section
327-405.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
taylor.
You
were
getting
a
workout
tonight.
I
appreciate
it.
Do
we
have
the
owner
of
the
house
with
us,
the
applicant.
I
Y
Y
Yes,
I
mean,
I
just
bought
the
property
last
month
in
january,
so
before
I
go
ahead
of
course,
I
want
to
do
the
right
thing
and
applied
for
the
permit,
and
it's
I
mean
I
hope,
to
sell
the
property
in
couple
months,
so
I'm
not
gonna
occupy.
Y
So
in
order
for
me
to
sell
you
know,
it
needs
a
new
roof
new
windows,
so
I
mean
this
is
gonna,
be
for
a
flip,
so
I
wanna
sell
it
and
I
wanna
invest
some
money
so.
Y
X
This
is
wendy
it
I
I
was
a
little
confused,
is
the
home
resold
or
is
it
just
on
the
market.
A
My
understanding
and
the
applicant
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
She
bought
the
home
with
the
intent
to
fix
it
up
and
resell.
It.
Yes,
correct.
E
Agree
with
staff's
recommendations-
and
I
think
that
the
fact
that
it's
we
have
another
flipper
who's
buying
a
house
to
resell
it.
It
still
has
to
be
done
in
accordance
with
the
appropriate
guidelines
that
are
set
up
by
the
county.
So
it's
not
an
option.
It's
unfortunate
that
she's
flipping
it
because
she
can't
take
advantage
of
the
tax
credits
or
our
state
and
local
tax
credits,
which
are
very,
would
make
this.
You
know
the
slate
part
of
it
very
attractive.
I
mean
it
makes
it
it's
a
good
deal
to
do
it.
E
E
Staff's
recommendations
in
the
not
to
us
should
I
read
them
or.
I
A
Yeah,
yes,
let's
see
write
them
down.
Y
Yes,
I
want
to
say
something:
I
know
the
area,
I
know
the
city
and
there
are
other
houses,
they
have
shingle
roof,
new
windows,
vinyl
windows
and
shingle
roofs,
and
I
know
other
flippers.
They
are
doing
it
without
permits.
So
I
just
want
to
do
the
right
thing
and
apply
it
for
the
permit,
but
I
know
other
houses
has
shingled
roof
on
the
same
street
and
vinyl
windows.
Y
A
For
that
and
we
we
take
them
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
I
can't
speak
to
any
other
homes
that
have
been
altered
in
that
area,
but
we
also
hope
that
by
careful
restoration
and
careful
work
that
the
home
will
assume
a
higher
value
for
you
when
you
go
to
resell
it,
that's
part
of
the
value
of
of
historic
homes
that
they
they
they
generally
bring
a
higher
price.
So,
but
thank
you
for
that
and
now
may
we
can
continue
with
the
vote.
Taylor.
E
I
E
J
G
D
A
And
and
before
we
start
on
the
next
one
taylor,
I
want
to
do
a
little
introduction
on
this
one,
as
I
know
that
there
there
are
some
letters
and
comments
that
we
received
later,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
the
board
and
those
who
may
be
listening
in
that
we
have
talked
about
this
project
several
times
in
previous
meetings,
and
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
what
recommendations
that
we
have
given
the
homeowner
in
previous
meetings.
A
I
Great
thank
you,
john
for
that
reminder.
As
well.
Agenda
item
number:
eight,
the
bear
property
at
4607
prospect
avenue
in
glendon.
This
is
a
non-contributing
structure
in
the
glendon
historic
glendon,
county,
historic
district,
and
the
proposal
is
the
construction
of
a
10
foot
by
14
foot
pavilion
in
the
rear
yard,
with
a
head
height
reading,
ranging
from
eight
foot
one
and
three
quarters
inch
to
ten
foot.
One
inch
at
the
october
november
and
january
lpc
meetings,
the
homeowner
proposed
to
construct
a
pavilion
pool,
shelter
in
the
rear
yard.
I
The
october
and
november
proposals
for
the
structure
were
denied
due
to
the
following
concerns:
not
having
accurate
drawings
of
all
sides
of
the
structure,
water
draining
into
the
neighbor's
yard,
height,
location,
visibility
from
the
public,
right-of-way
and
lack
of
supports
and
hurricane
ties.
The
january
proposal
was
denied
due
to
the
following
concerns:
the
commission,
not
knowing
the
exact
location,
water,
drainage
issues
into
the
neighboring
yard.
If
the
structure
was
located
too
close
to
the
fence
and
being
too
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way.
I
The
homeowner
has
now
submitted
additional
information
on
the
structure
and
the
location
proposed
at
the
january
meeting.
As
a
reminder,
the
pavilion
or
pool
shelter
is
proposed
to
be
10
foot
by
14
foot,
with
a
height
ranging
from
10
foot
one
inch
in
the
front
and
eight
foot
one
and
three
quarters
inch
in
the
rear.
I
The
front
will
have
an
eight
foot,
one
inch
headroom
clearance
and
the
rear
will
have
a
head
clearance
of
approximately
six
foot.
Ten
and
three
quarters
inch.
I
do
apologize.
I
misspoke
on
that
earlier.
That
is
the
correct
measurement.
The
structure
will
face
towards
the
backyard
pool
area
and
the
roof
slope.
The
roof
will
slope
down
towards
the
fence.
The
proposed
structure
will
be
constructed
out
of
pressure-treated
pine
and
will
be
open
on
all
sides.
I
The
post
will
be
a
glulam
material
staff,
confirmed
that
the
roof
will
be
gray,
asphalt,
shingles
to
match
the
roof
on
the
main
home.
There's
an
existing
concrete
pad
and
new
concrete
footers
will
be
poured
at
a
depth
of
30
inches
to
48
inches
under
each
proposed
8x8
post.
The
homeowner
has
now
submitted
photos
of
her
backyard,
the
location
of
the
shelter,
the
property
line
between
4607
and
4609,
prospect
avenues
showing
that
4609
has
a
small
hill
down
to
4607,
implying
that
water
drainage
will
not
be
an
issue.
I
A
photo
showing
her
fence
is
3.5
feet
from
the
property
line,
a
better
site
plan,
with
a
narrative
calling
out
the
exact
location
of
the
structure
and
a
balloon
test
conducted
by
the
homeowner
to
show
the
visibility
of
the
pavilion
staff
is
accepting
of
the
proposal
and
recommends
approval.
The
homeowner
has
scaled
the
height
down
from
the
original
proposal,
which
will
help
diminish
its
visibility
from
the
street,
and
the
structure
is
now
more
comparable
with
what
previously
existed.
Additionally,
the
home
is
a
non-contributing
resource
located
to
other
non-contributing
resources.
I
The
commission
needs
to
review
this
proposal
for
adherence
to
the
guidelines
and
not
on
opinions
of
others.
Should
the
commission
not
be
accepting
of
the
proposal?
Staff
is
requesting
that
the
commission
vote
to
assign
a
technical
committee
to
visit
the
property
prior
to
the
march
meeting
to
report.
Back
staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
additions
and
infill,
page
4
and
fences
in
landscape,
page
5
and
county
code.
Section
327405.
A
V
Hello
hi,
I
pref,
and
I
prefer
not
to
make
a
statement
unless
there
is
anyone
that
has
some
kind
of
a
dispute
against
this.
This
proposal,
until
after
they
make
a
dispute,
please.
A
Okay,
we
will
hold
that
thought
and
taylor
are
there,
others
who
would
like
to
speak.
I
A
Good
good
so
miss
bear
we
will.
We
will
save
your
remarks
for
some
other
time.
Then
I
guess
and
proceed
with
the
commissioners.
Any
questions
for
miss
bear
or
is
there
a
proposal
that
somebody
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
M
X
I
I'm
sorry
before
we
go
on
with
that.
I
just
wanted
to
say
mr
tom
and
miss
kim
montagna,
the
neighbors
of
4609
prospect
avenue.
They
did
submit
a
letter
as
well
as
the
glendon
community
association.
I
Those
were
the
letters
that
were
shared
with
you
this
afternoon,
so
the
montana's
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
you
receive
them
and
I
let
them
know
in
the
chat
that
you
did,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
seated
for
the
record
and
with
that
we
will
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Chris.
J
G
D
I
G
G
I
A
G
I
Moving
on,
we
have
agenda
item
number
nine,
the
francis
property
located
at
510
sudbrook
lane
in
sedbrook
park.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
sudbury
park,
county,
historic
district
and
the
proposal
is
the
replacement
of
a
12
foot
by
18
foot
portion
of
the
existing
ground
level
deck
with
a
new
20
foot
by
30
foot,
new
deck,
elevated
to
8
foot
with
parking.
Underneath
the
homeowners
would
like
to
remove
an
existing
ground
level
deck
and
replace
it
with
a
new
deck,
elevated
eight
feet
above
ground
level.
I
The
deck
is
located
off
the
rear
of
the
home,
which
sits
on
approximately
on
approximately
1.2
acre
lot.
The
structure
will
be
constructed
of
wood
and
the
raised
portion
will
have
plywood
and
lattice
on
all
three
sides.
The
underneath
of
the
deck
will
be
used
for
perking.
A
mock-up
of
the
proposal
and
a
basic
site
plan
are
included
in
the
meeting
materials
and
are
on
the
side
show
presented.
The
suburb
park.
Landmarks
committee
reviewed
the
proposal
on
january
18.
I
2022,
their
letter
is
included
in
the
meeting
materials
as
well
as
additional
information
from
the
property
owner
addressing
their
concerns.
Staff
does
not
support
this
project,
as
proposed
and
with
the
information
currently
provided.
No
elevation
drawings
were
provided
and
therefore
it
is
impossible
to
know
how
the
deck
or
parking
structure
will
look.
Additionally,
the
property
already
has
a
detached
garage
at
the
end
of
the
long
driveway.
So
staff
is
unclear
why
additional
covered
parking
is
necessary
in
terms
of
the
basis
of
the
proposal.
Staff
has
concerns,
it
meets
the
design
guidelines.
I
Our
guidelines
state
that
decks
and
accessory
structures
should
be
designed
in
a
manner
that
is
compatible
with
the
principal
structure.
While
we
understand
that
the
structure
is
not
quite
a
deck
and
not
quite
a
garage,
it
is
not
in
keeping
with
the
design
of
the
dwelling
or
the
sudburt
county.
Historic
district
staff
recommends
the
homeowner
revisit
the
proposal
with
a
contractor,
to
determine
best
course
of
action
for
what
he
is
looking
for.
I
Should
the
homeowner
wish
to
resubmit
staff
would
like
to
see
complete
elevation
drawings
of
the
structure,
as
well
as
additional
information
on
why
it
is
needed
and
how
it
is
consistent
with
sudbury
park.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
notice
to
proceed,
studying
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
landscape
pages
4
and
5
and
county
code
section
327405.
A
I
Yes,
the
property
owner,
mr
kevin
francis,
is
online.
Mr
francis,
you
are
unmuted.
Z
Yes,
I'm
here!
Thank
you
yes,
so
the
thing
is:
okay,
I'm
I'm!
I
I
like
cars,
and
so
I
kind
of
I
I
needed
more
space
for
them,
and
that's
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
things.
The
reasons
why
I
wanted
this
this
this
change,
not
only
that,
if
you
see
the
deck
I
always
found
even
from
the
beginning,
when,
since
I
bought
this
house,
the
deck
looked
very
small
there,
it
didn't,
it
didn't
fit
the
size
of
the
house.
Z
I
always
wanted
to
elevate
it
to
the
highest
in
line
with
the
with
the
with
the
foundation
of
the
house,
so
this
will
be
approximately
in
line
it
will
be
about
about
a
foot
higher
than
that,
so
that
is
where
I
was
coming
from
also
so
it
so.
Z
It
was
both
those
things
and
and
and
the
the
committee
the
subway
committee
was
right
when
they
said
that
I
didn't
give
them
enough
information,
because
the
information
I
gave
them
before
was
only
the
first
two
pages
that
you
showed
not
these
other
drawings,
which
here
I
actually
did
the
real
thing,
a
comparison
of
the
of
the
current
and
what
the
future
would
look
like.
Z
So
you
can
see
them
both
the
existing
and
the
proposed.
So
this
is
the
this
is
what
I
kind
of
drew
the
proposed
one.
So
so
you
you
can
see
it
and
come
in
comparison
to
how
it
would
look
after
it's
built,
and
you
would
see
from
the
third
picture
the
next
one.
The
next
slide,
how
it
would
look
from
the
from
the
back
of
the
from
the
rear
of
the
house.
Now
my
la
main,
proper.
My
lot
is
a
very
large
lot.
This
I
mean
it's
it's
very
far.
Z
You
you
couldn't
see,
so
you
could
only
see
it
like
this.
This
is
how
you
could
see
it,
and
even
if
you
went
close
from
the
next
slide,
you
could
see.
I
drew
these
pictures
I
didn't
give
to
the
sudbury
committee.
They
didn't
have
them
at
that
time,
for
which
reason
they
said
they
didn't
have
enough
drawings
and
didn't
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like
in
proportion
to
the
building.
Z
So
this
is
how
it
now
looks
if
you,
if
so
I
kind
of
because
I'm
I'm
I'm
an
artist
too,
so
I
kind
of
do
this
stuff
also,
so
I
made
it
look
very
as
real
as
that
I
want
it
to
be
so.
You'll
you'll
notice
that
how
this
how
the
the
thing
looks
in
proportion
to
the
house
and
the
color
combination
and
everything
like
that,
I'm
open,
I'm
open!
You
know
I
want
to
play
with
the
guidelines.
I
don't
have
so
much
money
to
to
to
spend
and
waste
my
money.
Z
A
U
I
never
I
don't
know
if
it's
question
or
comment,
but
I
do
have
I'm
looking
at
the
the
sort
of
the
the
image
I'm
seeing
to
the
right.
Yes,
that's
what's
pre-proposed
is
that
right?
That's.
Z
U
Okay,
just
just
visually
it
just
strikes
me
as
markedly
different
than
the
existing
structure.
U
U
A
You
thank
you
any
other
questions
from
mr
francis
yeah.
E
I
have
a
question
for
him:
there's
no
site
plan,
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
page
four
of
11
and
what
was
given
to
us.
I
think
that's
supposed
to
be
a
site
plan,
but
it
has
no
property
lines
if
it
if
that
is
the.
If
that
is
a
garage,
there's
no
driveway
shown
going
to
it.
I
the
whole
thing
just
I
need
a
decent
and
that's
not
a
site
plan.
I
mean
that's
there's
no,
there
are
no
property
lines
or
no,
I
don't
see
how
that
relates
to
the
street
where's
the
driveway
that
goes
in.
E
Where
are
the
doors
I
mean?
I'm.
I
need
more
information
to
really
be
able
to
evaluate
this.
I'd
really
like
to
see
real
elevations
drawn.
I
mean
I
have
a
better
idea
with
these
new
renderings
which
are
new,
so
I
have
a
better
idea
what's
actually
going
on,
but
I
would
it
would
be
better
to
see
it
with
as
a
proper
elevation
drawings,
which
means
you
probably
ought
to
engage
an
architect
and
get
somebody
to
draw
this.
K
K
I
think
that
your
design
could
work
in
concept
and
I
would
advise
to
take
some
of
the
cues
from
your
existing
home
porch
construction
instead
of
photoshopping
your
existing
deck,
which
is
made
out
of
redwood,
it's
a
good
effort,
but
I
think
that
it
kind
of
hurts
your
presentation
that
it's
images
of
your
existing
debt
inflated
in
some
software
program.
A
E
H
I
would
like
to.
I
would
like
to
add
that
they
that
maybe
they
go
back
to
the
to
the
sudbrook
local
historic
society
and
have
their
hair
have
their
blessing
before
they
come
back
great.
J
I
S
V
G
D
U
A
I
I
The
homeowner
would
like
to
install
a
deer
fence
in
the
side
and
rear
yards
of
her
home
to
help
define
a
garden
and
keep
deer
out.
The
fence
is
proposed
to
be
wire
and
wood.
Construction,
welded,
wire
and
four
inch
squares
will
be
encased
in
cedar
frame
panels
measuring
eight
to
twelve
feet
in
length
and
four
feet
in
height.
The
panels
will
mostly
be
obscured
by
plantings
once
completed
six
inch
cedar
posts
will
be
between
each
panel.
I
These
posts
will
then
be
extended
to
seven
feet
three
feet
above
the
height
of
the
panels,
and
stainless
steel
wires
will
be
strung
at
five
and
a
half
foot
and
seven
foot.
The
purpose
of
the
higher
strong
wire
is
to
stop
deer
from
getting
into
the
garden
and
yard
a
sample
photo
is
included
in
the
meeting
materials
and
on
the
screen.
However,
it
does
not
exactly
match
the
dimensions.
The
homeowner
is
proposing,
as
she
could
not
find
an
exact
exact
example.
I
The
proposed
fence
will
have
fewer
seven
foot
posts
than
shown
in
addition
to
the
fence.
The
homeowner
is
proposing
two
flat
wooden
flat,
topped
gate
arbors
with
gates
one
on
the
left
side
of
the
home
and
one
on
the
right.
The
sample
photo
is
included
in
the
meeting
materials
staff
has
no
issue
with
the
arbors
and
gates,
as
they
are
appropriate
in
design,
and
the
commission
has
supported
arbors
in
sudbury
park
in
the
past.
Regarding
the
fence
staff
appreciates
that
the
fence
is
proposed
to
be
constructed
of
wood.
I
However,
it
is
an
out
of
the
norm.
Proposal
for
any
of
our
county,
historic
districts,
design.
Wise
staff
understands
that
this
is
because
of
the
intended
function
of
the
fence.
A
dear
fence
versus
most
of
the
fences
we
see
are
for
privacy,
dogs,
children,
etc,
and
we
encourage
the
commission
to
discuss
the
proposal
and
possible
creative
solutions
like
only
enclosing
a
portion
of
the
yard
or
constructing
a
wooden
privacy
fence.
Instead,
with
the
homeowner
should
no
other
solution
be
feasible,
staff
would
prefer
to
see
the
seven
foot.
I
Wood
posts
only
be
installed
in
the
backyard,
not
the
side
yards
facing
sudbrook
lane.
This
would
decrease
visibility
and
would
make
the
fence
more
in
keeping
with
the
district.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
notice
to
proceed
with
the
condition
the
seven
foot
posts
are
not
installed,
perpendicular
to
the
home
facing
sudbrook
lane.
This
is
citing
baltimore
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
landscape
pages,
one
to
five
and
county
code,
section
327
405.
I
AA
But
thank
you.
Yes,
I've
recently
moved
to
this
property
in
sudbury
park,
but
I
have
lived
in
sudbury
park.
I
used
to
live
at
507
for
25
years,
so
I'm
familiar
with
and
I
love
the
neighborhood.
I'm
an
avid
gardener
and
my
hope
is
to
was
to
install
a
more
aesthetically,
pleasing
and
durable
alternative
to
like
a
metal,
post
and
wire.
AA
You
know
fence
that
would
keep
the
deer
away
with
something
that
was
more
visually
open
and
that
could
also
be
used
for
plant
support,
because
my
plan
is
to
plant
along
that
fence
and
and
use
that
as
support
for
the
plants
I,
if
they,
I
know
the
posts
along
the
front.
Part
of
the
fence
were
were
a
stretch,
but
I
thought
I'd
try
it
and
I
would
ask
if
the
posts
in
the
front
part
parallel
to
the
street
were
just
kept
at
the
four
foot
level.
X
X
So
I
don't
know
if
that
might
be
feasible
to
keep
it
lower.
But
to
put
the
you
know,
wire
fencing
material
there
in
your
lower
fence
over
the
top
of
the
fencing
and
have
a
garden
area
it
worked
I'll
put
it
that
way.
A
X
You're
you're,
I
don't
know,
I'm,
maybe
not
assuming
the
right
thing.
I
thought
you
wanted
to
keep
them
mainly
out
of
your
vegetable
garden.
AA
Well,
I
actually
plan
on
gardening
in
the
entire
property
across
the
entire
property,
so
I
did
want
to
put
as
much
of
the
property
put
in
a
protected
area
as
possible.
Obviously
this
part
in
the
front
of
the
home
will
have
to
be
dealt
with
in
a
different
way,
but
I
was
hoping
to
actually
plant
that
entire
area,
that's
within
that
fence,
proposed
area,
so
so.
A
AA
AA
It's
just
the
solid
line
that
goes
from
the
garage
towards
the
street
across
to
the
home
and
then
on
the
other
side,
and
then
it
just
goes
around
the
side
and
back
of
the
property,
so
the
entire
area
behind
the
home
and
the
next
to
the
garage
would
be
where
I
would
like
to
enclose.
AA
K
I'd
like
to
comment
that
this
is
one
of
those
areas
where
we're
first
in
line
to
review
this,
but
this
is
actually
a
zoning
issue.
The
height
and
distance
from
the
property
line
is,
is
dictated
by
zoning
and
actually
dictated
by
the
setback
of
the
home.
So
I
personally
I'm
in
favor,
of
whatever
the
zoning
will
approve
for
this.
I
have
no
problem
with
with
the
fence.
It's
all
a
zoning
issue.
E
I
have
I
have
I
agree
with
chris.
I
I
like
the
fence
design.
I
think
it's
good.
I
think
the
fact
that
it's
high
is
if
it
were
the
same
material.
I
think
it
would
be
feel
bigger,
but
these
I
have
I
did
a
similar
sort
of
it's
a
very
different
fence,
but
I
also
took
posts
up
to
the
seven
foot
height
and
I
only
did
one
stainless
steel
wire,
but
it's
invisible.
I
mean
it's.
E
A
E
Looking
for
yeah,
there
are
a
couple
of
it's
on
page
eight
of
the
of
the
documents
that
you
gave
us.
It
shows
a
looks
like
a
privet
edge
running
across
the
front
of
the
house,
which
is
going
to
screen
anything
you
see
from
the
street,
so
I
I
particularly
I
mean
this-
is
a
winter
shot
with
no
leaves
on
the
privet
edge,
but
in
the
summer
it's
going
to
be
totally
invisible
to
from
the
street.
I
believe
at
least
with
the
photographs
that
I'm
seeing
here
and
in
the
summer
it's
going
to
be
totally.
E
A
So
that
sounds
like
a
motion
edge
that
you
were
saying.
E
A
Z
G
I
K
G
E
D
G
D
U
G
A
I
Right,
yes,
this
is
our
last
item
up
for
discussion.
I
appreciate
everyone
hanging
in
there
with
us
agenda
item
number
15.
This
is
the
marks
and
ziskery
property
located
at
507
sudbrook
lane
in
sudbrook
park.
It's
a
contributing
structure
in
the
sudbury
park,
county,
historic
district,
mip
number
ba
3026.
I
The
proposal
is
the
installation
of
a
spaced
board
or
a
three-board
paddock
wood
fence
to
enclose
a
portion
of
the
backyard.
The
homeowner
is
seeking
approval
for
a
new
wooden
fence
to
enclose
a
portion
of
the
backyard
of
the
home
at
507,
sudbury
lane
to
secure
her
dogs
and
children.
The
homeowner
has
provided
two
styles
for
review:
a
spaced
board
fence
with
cat
boards
or
a
three
board
paddock
fence,
with
a
wire
backing
either
fence
will
be
all
wood
and
48
inches
tall
with
three
gates:
two
single
and
one
double.
I
As
shown
on
the
site
plan.
In
a
january,
31st
email
to
staff,
the
homeowner
stated
that
the
space
board
fence
was
preferred,
but
that
they
would
accept
either.
As
a
note,
the
gap
between
each
of
the
proposed
space
boards
is
2.5
inches
and
the
boards
are
only
on
one
side
of
the
fence.
This
is
not
a
privacy
fence.
The
sedberg
park
landmarks
committee
approved
the
project
as
presented.
I
However,
a
letter
was
not
included
in
the
meeting
materials
staff
does
not
have
a
preference
on
the
fence
approved,
as
both
proposals
are
appropriate,
design,
height
and
material
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
space
board
fence
with
cap
boards,
since
it
is
the
homeowner's
preference,
staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
space
board
fence,
as
proposed
citing
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
landscape.
Page
four
and
county
code,
section
327,
405.
K
Based
on
the
approval
by
sudbrook
park
and
our
com
recommendation
by
our
commission,
I
would
recommend
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
N
K
J
I
D
I
G
V
A
I
Real
quickly,
we
just
have
a
couple
of
things
to
report
on.
First,
we
had
one
tax
credit
that
was
administratively
approved
by
staff,
and
that
was
the
more
jane
property
at
128
north
beachwood
avenue
in
catonsville.
I
If
any
of
the
technical
committee
members
would
like
to
offer
additional
information,
but
essentially
they
voted,
they
decided
to
approve
the
window
replacement
with
a
couple
of
conditions.
So
no
further
action
is
needed
from
the
commission.
Staff
will
get
the
approval
letter
taken
care
of,
and
then
the
property
owners
will
be
able
to
apply
for
their
permit.
A
A
Beautiful
day,
anything
else
for
the
good
of
the
cause
hearing
nothing.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
so
adjourn
in
a
second.