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From YouTube: Landmarks Preservation Commission Meeting 11-10-22
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Landmarks Preservation Commission Meeting 11-10-22
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A
Additionally,
we
are
charged
with
evaluating
submissions
to
the
Baltimore
County
historic
tax
credit
program
that
encourages
the
appropriate
maintenance
and
renovation
of
designated
historic
properties
with
the
Commissioners.
Please
introduce
themselves
by
name
and
County
Council
District
or
represent.
Excuse
me
we
can
go
on
the
order
listed
on
the
PowerPoint
screen.
So
Lily.
Could
you
start
us
off.
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A
F
A
I
think
Scott's
having
trouble
with
his
audio
so
Scott.
We
see
you
and
glad
you're
with
us.
A
A
Thank
you.
The
landmarks
preservation
commission
operates
under
the
authority
standards
requirements
of
Title
VII
article
32
of
the
Baltimore
County
code.
We
refer
to
the
United
States
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
as
administered
by
the
National
Park
Service.
This
is
the
accepted
National
Standard
for
historic
preservation
projects,
our
own
Baltimore
County,
historic
design,
programs.
A
Guidelines
directly
referenced
and
incorporate
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
for
rehabilitation.
We
have
important
preservation
issues
to
discuss
and
debate
at
each
meeting.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments,
please
limit
your
comments
to
the
specific
application
or
proposal
submission
being
reviewed.
We
ask
for
your
assistance
and
understanding
so
that
the
discussions
do
not
digress
as
an
additional
comment.
We
can
all
agree
that
historic
preservation
is
an
important
aspect
to
the
quality
of
life
and
place
that
makes
Baltimore
County
unique.
A
As
a
commission,
we
seek
to
recommend
significant
buildings
and
places
for
landmark
consideration
to
the
County
Council
for
their
final
vote
as
Commissioners.
We
serve
on
the
commission
due
to
our
expertise,
interests
and
passion
for
historic
buildings
and
places
and
review
submissions
based
solely
on
their
Merit.
While
we
may
disagree
in
discussion
of
voting,
we
continue
to
be
a
collegial
body
that
respects
each
other
personally
and
professionally.
A
D
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
There
are
several
consent
agenda
items.
Four,
six
and
seven
and
Jessica.
Are
you
gonna
lead
us
through
those?
Yes,.
K
Agenda
item
number:
six:
is
the
sadel
property
located
at
311
register
Avenue
in
Rogers,
Forge
County
Council
District
number
five:
this
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
Rogers
Forge
National
register
historic
district
and
the
applicant
is
seeking
part.
Two
tax
credit
review
for
original
hard
floor
refinishing
and
an
electric
an
electrical
panel
upgrade.
L
C
This
is
Chris
I,
just
wanted
to
say
out
of
an
abundance
of
transparency.
That
item
number
four
is
my
district
Commissioners
home,
so
I
will
have
to
abstain
from
voting
on
item
four,
no.
A
You
hearing
no
other
wishes
to
pull
them
into
the
main
agenda
or
or
other
objections
to
them
being
consent
items
May
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
all
three
consent
items.
D
A
You
Wendy
and
then
Jessica
can
you
do
a
roll
call
vote.
M
J
A
I
J
A
Leola
mcclong
property
and
do
we
know
if
the
owner
is
with
us.
K
K
Right
agenda
item
number
five:
the
Leola
McClung
property
located
at
1604,
South
Rolling
Road
in
relay
County
Council
District
number
one.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
relay
County
historic
district
and
the
applicant
is
seeking
review
for
an
ex-post
Taco
front
yard,
fencing
installation.
This
is
a
wood,
picket
fence
extension
along
the
north
property
line
in
the
front
yard.
A
neighbor
contacted
staff
about
the
fence
and
staff
reach
out
to
the
property
owner
to
inquire
about
the
work
and
to
determine
if
involving
code
enforcement
was
necessary.
A
correction
notice
has
not
been
issued.
K
The
one
in
1.1,
acre
property
has
an
existing
wood,
picket
fence
that
encloses
a
portion
of
the
yard
on
the
north
side
of
the
house.
The
applicant
notes
that
the
rear
half
of
the
property
is
heavily
wooded
and
contains
a
creek
which
makes
the
rear
yard
soggy
and
wet
a
new
fence,
extends
from
the
existing
fencing
along
the
north
side,
property
line
and
from
the
front
porch
towards
the
road
where
it
meets
an
existing.
Retaining
wall
enclosing
a
portion
of
the
front
yard.
The
retaining
wall
is
roughly
the
same
height
as
the
fencing.
K
The
fence
material
was
installed
to
match
the
existing
and
is
36
inches
to
44
inches
at
the
post
and
will
be
painted
in
the
spring
ring
staff
thanks
to
property
owner
for
providing
additional
photographs
of
the
property
for
contacts
while
front
yard.
Fencing
is
not
typical
in
County
historic
districts,
as
noted
on
page
three
of
the
Baltimore
County
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
Landscape.
The
guidelines
note
that
enclosing
a
front
yard
with
a
fence
or
wall
where
one
did
not
previously
exist
is
rarely
approved.
K
However
front
yard,
picket
fencing
exists
on
a
few
homes
in
the
historic
district.
In
addition,
the
top
of
the
retaining
wall
is
at
the
same
level
and
grade
as
South,
Rolling,
Road
and
and
the
front
yard
sits
below
the
wall
or
street
level
by
several
feet.
Because
of
this
grade
change,
the
fencing
is
not
very
visible
from
the
road
stuff
is
accepting
of
The
Proposal
as
completed
and
recommends
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
completed
citing
Baltimore
County,
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
Landscapes
ages,
one
through
five
county
code,
section
327405,.
A
Thank
you,
Jessica.
Thank
you,
Miss
mcclong
is
there
something
you
would
like
to
add
to
that
introduction.
K
N
Are
unmuted
I
I
just
want
to
say
as
a
very
new
owner
in
the
historic
district.
N
Excuse
me
for
my
faux
pas,
but
I
do
appreciate
what
the
commission
does
and
I
my
goal
is
to
keep
this
property
as
historic
and
hopefully
restore
it
to
some
of
the
its
historic
Beauty
before
Jessica
has
been
great
to
work
with.
She
has
given
me
I
think
there
was
23
pages
of
history
on
this
house,
which
is
even
more
inspiring
to
me
to
to
to
live
here
and
and
maintain
it
as
we
help
its
week
old
knees
in
the
foundation.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
commission.
A
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
those
kind
words
and
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
taking
good
care
of
your
property
at
this
point,
I
open
it
up
to
the
Commissioners
any
comments,
questions,
objections.
I
Does
anyone
else
have
anything
hearing
nothing
else,
I'll
move
that
we
we
approve
the
hold
on
and
now
get
how
this
is
supposed
to
be
said.
D
A
You
Wendy
any
other
further
discussion
hearing
none.
May
we
do
a
roll
call
vote
Jessica.
J
F
J
H
K
We
have
agenda
item
number,
eight,
the
Scott
property
located
at
315
Central
Avenue
in
Glendon,
County
Council
District
number
two.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
Glendon
County
historic
district
and
the
owners
are
seeking
tax
credit
part
to
approval
for
exterior
chimney,
repairs,
liner
installation
and
a
wood
insert
installation.
The
existing
chimney
is
online
and
has
no
crown
cap,
which
has
allowed
for
water
and
pest
penetration.
The
existing
Firebox
is
covered
with
glass
doors.
The
chimney
exterior
and
top
will
be
weatherproof.
K
The
crown
will
be
repaired
with
screens
installed
on
the
sides,
and
the
existing
bricks
and
stone
top
will
be
retained
and
reset
the
chimney
will
be
aligned
with
a
new
stainless
steel
ceramic
insulated
liner.
The
owners
wish
to
install
a
new
black
Osborne
three
500
wood
insert
with
an
oversized
face
plate
with
insulation
and
the
blower.
The
chimney
weatherproofing,
Crown,
repair
and
liner
installation
are
both
tax
credit
eligible
products,
projects
and
staff
recommends
approval.
K
However,
the
installation
of
a
wood
stove
insert
is
viewed
as
a
renovation
project
versus
a
repair
project
and
is
not
eligible
for
the
tax
credit
program,
since
the
work
is
on
the
interior.
Lpc
approval
is
not
needed
for
the
installation;
it
is
just
not
eligible
for
tax
credits
and
will
be
itemized
out
of
the
part
3
application.
A
A
Okay,
in
that
case,
we'll
go
directly
to
the
Commissioners.
Any
comments.
A
O
Hey
guys,
thanks
for
meeting
with
us
tonight,
we
really
appreciate
you
guys
reviewing
our
project
yeah.
We
really
weren't
sure
where
any
of
this
kind
of
laid
out,
so
it
was
definitely
very
educational
to
learn
about
the
chimney
lining,
and
you
know
what
what
is
you
know
for
a
tax
credit
and
what
is
not
well
so
it's
definitely
beneficial.
So
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that.
A
J
G
Here,
I'll
I'll
make
a
motion
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropeness
for
the
too
many
weatherization
Crown
repair
and
liner
installation.
A
Chris
Jessica
roll
call.
K
M
J
J
K
Right:
moving
on
to
agenda
item
number
nine
Paradise
place
at
stud
broke:
Assisted
Living
property
at
600,
sudbrook,
Road,
sudbrook,
Park,
County,
Council,
District
number
two.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
Sudbury
Park
County
historic
district
and
the
applicant
has
returned
to
the
commission
for
a
review
of
the
ex
post
facto
paid
commercial
parking
lot.
K
So
the
parking
lot
installation
covers
3
800
square
feet
of
paved
asphalt,
parking
lot,
staff
was
contacted
by
community
members
and
subsequently
a
correction
notice
was
issued
in
June
2022.
The
property
owner
came
before
the
commission
and
it's
July
14
2022
meeting
and
the
commission
voted
not
to
approve
the
work
as
completed.
The
commission
stated
concerns
over
the
close
proximity
of
the
carriage
house
and
ask
that
proper
landscape
plans
be
submitted
that
provide
more
details
and
just
as
a
refresher.
K
L
K
And
extends
up
to
the
carriage
house,
which
the
LPC
approved
plans
for
its
rehab
in
July
of
2020
and
staff
approved
plans
in
an
emergency
review
after
a
tree
fell
on
the
structure
in
November
of
2020.,
the
previous
law
and
driveway
can
be
seen
in
a
Google
Street
View
image
that
was
included
in
your
packet.
The
new
law
contains
eight
regular
parking
spaces
and
two
handicap
spaces
which
will
be
painted
and
identified
with
signage.
In
addition,
concrete
or
plastic
curb
Stoppers
will
be
installed
at
the
head
of
each
space.
K
And
we
do
have
the
property
owner
Miss
Johnson
with
us
tonight.
P
Evening,
sir,
good
evening,
everyone
thank
you
for
taking
time
to
listen
to
our
project.
P
Doing
doing
the
the
landscape,
drawings
I,
find
it
very
interesting
that
I
did
I
didn't
know
much
about
it
so
doing
it.
It
shows
that
it
would
change
the
look.
It
will
give
it
more
homely
and
the
light
that
it's
going
to
be
erected
will
be
helpful
to
to
lead
up.
The
environment
will
also
do
the
shrubs
at
require
required.
I
have
submitted
to
the
people
that
will
get
all
these
done
and
in
place
to
make
it
homely
and
to
make
it
more
homely.
P
Look
so
we're
just
waiting
for
approval
and
then
we'll
get
the
the
structure
going
to
give
it
the
appeal
that
everyone
is
looking
for.
J
Comments,
I
just
had
one
question
on
the
on
the
lighting,
just
as
a
question
and
I
don't
know
if
we're,
if
that's
an
area
for
for
comment
or
question
or
not,
but
wondering
if
that's
on
a
timer
or
if
it's
on
a
motion
activated.
J
You
know
sensor
after
a
certain
period
of
time.
Just
so
it's
less
of
an
impact
on
the
on
the
neighbors.
There.
Q
You
for
opportunity
to
meet
with
you,
I'm
majoring,
I'm
doctors,
Johnson's
brother.
The
lighting
will
be
on
a
timer,
it's
going
to
be
on
the
clock,
timer,
which
means
it's
going
to
come
out
at
a
particular
time
six
o'clock
and
go
off
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning,
depending
on
how
we
sell
it.
But
that's
the
projected
setting
for
the
timer
for
the
lighting
and
this
place
has
been
an
exist,
is
an
existed.
The
former
business.
P
Q
Assisted
Living
he
assisted
living
that
was
in
this
same
building
before
we
bought
this
property,
didn't
have
Lighting
in
that
area
and
we're
gonna.
Do
it
we're
going
to
do
it
because
we've
owned
this
property
for
two
years
and
we've
not
been
able
to
make
money
on
this
property,
but
we're
still
gonna
we're
gonna
do
whatever
the
commission
wants
us
to
do,
but
we
want
to
get
this
business
going.
Q
A
Thank
you
and
so
I
think
the
the
takeaway
is
just
be
sensitive
to
your
neighbors,
with
the
lighting
and
and
and
query
with
the
time
where
you
can
adjust
to
meet
other
other
parameters,
any
any
other
questions
or
comments.
G
Yeah
I
did
so
I
I
went
back
and
reviewed
the
minutes
of
the
July
2022
meeting.
You
know
where
we
had
previously
discussed
this,
and
one
of
the
other
concerns
was
related
to
the
grading
and
the
fact
that
the
parking
lot
was
up
against
the
building.
There
was
some
concern
about
storm
water
and
that
potentially
putting
the
carriage
house
at
risk
so
I
wanted
to
know.
If
there
was
any,
has
the
grading
permit
been,
you
know
been
reviewed.
G
What's
the
status
of
that,
it
seems
like
this
plan,
doesn't
really
make
any
adjustments
to
take
into
consideration
the
the
you
know
the
parking
lots,
close
proximity
to
the
building
and
I'm
not
seeing
anything
that
would
really
address
any
kind
of
concerns
about
water,
runoff
coming
against
the
carriage
house.
Q
P
P
We're
going
to
finish
with
the
parking
lot
so
when
we
so
originally
when
they
were
doing
the
parking
lot,
the
people
that
were
doing
the
Ashford
I
think
they.
They
showed
us
how
they're
going
to
do
the
the
Water
away
from
the
carry
jobs
because
I
was
with
them.
They
showed
me
how
they're
gonna
do
it
so
I
think
the
right
side
and
the
left
side
they
kind
of
come
in
the
middle
to
make
sure
the
water
will
be
able
to
divert
away
from
the
private
jobs.
P
So
they
showed
me
that
when
they
were
originally
doing
that,
I
think
that's
what
they
call
it.
M
G
But
how
is
that
different
from
I
mean
has
anything
changed
from
July
when
we
reviewed
it
in
July?
Yes,.
P
J
And
Phoebe
it
does
look
like
just
from
the
site
plan
that
we've
got
elevation,
that's
dropping
out
toward
the
street
and.
J
G
J
G
Okay,
good,
that's
helpful,
I
mean
I'm,
not
as
well-versed
at
you
know.
Reading.
J
C
C
C
Not
going
to
want
over
lent
parking
lot
all
night
long,
so
there
are
fixtures
that
are
called
dark
sky
compliant,
and
that
is
the
kind
of
fixture
that
you
would
want.
It
doesn't
bleed
light
all
over
the
site.
It
shines
specifically
down
yeah.
P
And
I
will
put
that
into
consideration
when
we're
doing
that.
Of
course,
we
don't
want
to
make
anyone
uncomfortable,
but
we're
also
trying
to
follow
the
guidelines
that
will
make
everybody
comfortable
and
make
the
people
that
will
be
living
in
600
subbrook,
make
them
comfortable
and
safe
during
the
year
that
hour
of
the
night.
Yes,
so
we
can
do
something
that
is
motion.
You
know,
I
mean
so
the
person
that
is
gonna
do
it
will
put
the
suggestions
to
them
and
see.
Maybe
we
can
do
motion
I.
I
Think
motion
activated
lights
are
very
good.
Yeah
yeah.
J
I
Gonna
get
problem
one,
it
cost
you
a
lot
of
money
and
energy
if
it's
burning
all
night
long
and
I
think
that
energy
is
getting
very,
very
expensive
these
days.
So
I
would
recommend
very
strongly
that
you
do
two
things.
One
make
sure
your
lights
all
are
dark
sky
compliant
and
that
they
have
a
cut
off,
so
they
don't
bleed
light
across
your
property
line
and
two
put
them
on
a
motion
detector.
I
P
M
M
M
I
A
Any
other
comments
or
suggestions
from
the
Commissioners.
B
This
is
Lily
district.
One
I
do
have
a
question
on
the
Landscaping
I
guess,
referring
back
to
the
earlier
discussions
about
the
concerns
from
the
neighbors
regarding
softening
the
I
guess
what
they
were
seeing
as
this
larger
paved
area
and
some
softening
the
buffer
between
the
houses
and
this
parking
area.
B
I
think
what
I'm,
seeing
maybe
I'm,
not
understanding
in
terms
of
landscape
intervention,
we're
only
talking
about
lining
up
as
you're,
coming
into
the
parking
lot
with
three
foot
planting
and
then
just
the
buffer
on
the
longer
side,
with
three
to
four
foot.
B
Planting
and
I'm
I
just
want
to
bring
it
up
as
a
consideration
was
the
hope
from
the
to
to
see
more
of
a
buffer
between
between
the
the
houses
and
and
the
parking
so
that
you
know
they
basically
are
you
screening
the
cars
or
are
you
just
trying
to
soften
the
edge
of
the
of
that
parking
area?
B
Because
I
there
were
earlier
suggestions
in
the
earlier
meeting
to
have
actually
reduce
the
footprint
of
some
of
the
parking
so
that
it
becomes
more
permeable
and
then
it
also
doesn't
read
like
one
giant
space.
So
I
just
don't
see
a
lot
of
that.
Full
integration
of
landscape,
buffer
and
I
just
wanted
to
understand
or
see
what
others
thought.
A
A
L
Can
hello
everybody?
My
name
is
Phil
I
am
one
of
the
Landscape
Architects
that
helped
design
this
plan
I
just
so
to
address.
The
way
we
went
about
addressing
the
landscape
is.
I
L
Simply
took
a
look
at
what's
required
by
the
county
and
really
what
what
are
the
requirements
that
we
need
to
get
approved?
That's
where
we
typically
start
with
our
plans
and
what
we
came
down
was.
If
you
look
to
the
right
of
the
plan,
you'll
see
a
smaller
landscape
manual
conditions
plan
to
the
right
this.
That
here
shows
us
it's
a
way
for
us
to
help.
L
Allow
the
County,
reviewer
Jim
Herman
to
know
how
we
came
up
with
what
we
did
and
why
in
which,
which
requirements
we
feel
are
applicable.
And
why
and
why
not?
We
did
what
we
did
and
so
basically
what
we
came
down
with
was
you
know
the
only
requirements
really
to
address
the
parking
lot,
because
it
the
part
that
condition
B,
B1
and
B2
adjacent
to
road
to
public,
right
away
and
adjacent
to
residential.
L
If
a
parking
lot
is
adjacent
to
right
away
or
residential,
then
it
needs
to
be
buffered.
What
we
did
is
we
used
evergreen
shrubs
buffer.
That
and
the
way
we
interpreted
interpreted
this
for
this
site
is
we
do
on
the
far
end
to
the
right.
If
you're
looking
at
plan
view
the
right
of
it,
you
have
the.
What
is
that
it's
sudbrook
Lane?
L
We
consider
that
a
right
away
and
then
across
from
it,
is
another
residential.
We.
We
are
aware
that
to
the
left
of
this
property
is
another
residential,
but
we
felt
that
the
carriage
house
was
buffering
was
was
a
buffering
of
itself
and
what
we
try
and
do
best
for
our
clients
is
not
to
for
clients.
You
know
everybody
we
work
with
is
not
to
add
anything.
L
You
know
just
to
add
stuff,
you
know
we
we
want
to
come
in
and
be
budget
conscious.
So
what
we
started
out
with
was
just
what
we
felt
was
applicable
per
all
the
regulations
and
requirements
of
the
site.
If
there's
any
suggestions
that
you
guys
would
like
for
us
to
add
to
the
site
that
you
think
is
going
to
be
necessary,
we
are
absolutely
happy
to
you
know,
adjust
the
plan,
but
what
we
wanted
to
start
off
with
was
just
you
know
the
basics,
so
to
speak.
So.
I
P
When
I,
when
I
spoke
to
Mark
Mike,
was
the
the
main
guy
that
I
spoke
to
I
gave
him
all
the
concerns
from
the
neighbors
and
I
all
this
stuff.
That
I
wrote
from
the
last
minutes.
I
showed
it
to
him.
It
came
on
property,
he
looked
around
and
he
made
made
up
what
we
need
to
do
to
make
the
neighbors
happy
and
also
to
create
a
set
environment
for
the
people
that
will
be
living
at
Sunbrook.
P
So
he
was
on
property
a
few
times
just
to
go
around
and
see
some
of
the
complaints
that
was
that
came
up
from
the
last
time
and
before
he
started
doing
any
drawings.
He
went
in
a
couple
of
times
just
to
see
what
will
please
everyone
and
still
make
the
neighbors
be
happy
about
what
we
are
doing
at
600
sword
Brook.
P
He
couldn't
join
the
meeting
tonight
and
I
think
he
asked
Phil
one
of
his
partner
to
filling,
but
we're
going
back
and
forth
talking
about
what
we
need
to
do
to
get
the
neighbors
to
be
comfortable
with
what
we
are
doing.
L
Yes,
I
can
attest
to
what
what
we
just
said,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Mark,
so
unfortunately,
I
I,
don't
know
all
the
comments
that
were
previously
stated
by
the
neighbors,
but
mostly
we
felt
the
existing
landscape.
The
existing
trees
were
to
remain
are
a
sufficient
buffer.
You
know,
obviously
we
have
a
nice
neighborhood
and
we're
throwing
an
asphalt
parking
lot
kind
of
right
in
the
middle.
It's
an
eyesore,
totally
understandable,
and
then
you
add
lighting
to
it.
You
know
the
neighbors
across
the
street.
L
L
That
would
be
enough
to
offer
this
site
and
when
we
were
brought
on
the
parking
lot
was
already
built,
so
we
were
kind
of
usually
these
are
these
plans
they're
done
together,
site
planning,
landscape
and
everything's,
coordinated,
Jim,
Herman
I
believe
recommended
us.
This
project
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
prior
to
that,
but
we
were
told
to
you,
know,
take
take
what
the
plan
has,
which
is
which
was
after
the
parking
lot,
was
built
and
do
the
best
we
could
to
try
and
address
what
the
requirements
were.
I
L
Yes,
it
absolutely
does
I
just
I
just
had
my
AutoCAD
up
and
that
plan
we
can.
We
will
resend
you
a
plan
that
has
the
existing
Topo
labels
on
there.
That's
that's
an
error
on
our
part,
but
yes,
the
existing
Contours,
definitely
slope
towards
toward.
If
you're
it
slopes
towards
the
road
kind
of
towards
the
top
right.
It's
going
down
down
sloping.
K
Excuse
me,
commission,
I
I
have
in
the
chat
from
Miss
Denise
Watkins
from
the
suburb
Park
landmarks
committee.
Could
she
address
the
commission.
A
H
We
can
thank
you
hi
good
evening,
I'm
I'm,
sorry
that
I
apologize
for
not
having
signed
up
to
to
testify
previously
our
association
hearing
the
concerns
of
this
parking
lot
going
in
from
the
neighbors.
We
did
write
a
letter
to
the
effect
of
most
of
the
concerns
that
are
being
expressed
tonight
that
the
parking
lot
had
gone
in
without
anyone
in
the
neighborhood
having
been
consulted,
especially
the
adjacent
neighbors.
H
We
appreciate
that
the
owners
have
made
a
good
faith
effort
here
to
provide
some
Landscaping
and
have
made
a
step
towards
mitigating
some
of
those
concerns
from
the
neighbors.
Some
of
my
questions
were
I,
don't
know
if
those
adjacent
neighbors
have
been
made
aware
of
the
current
landscape
plan,
if
they've
had
any
input
into
it
at
all,
I
know
that
this
plan
has
not
come
in
front
of
the
sudbrook
park
landmarks
committee.
H
We
are
not
a
binding
Committee,
of
course,
but
it
hasn't
come
in
front
of
us
and
to
reiterate:
what's
in
the
chat,
we
would
still
have
some
concern
of
about
the
amount
and
type
of
landscaping.
I
agree
that
the
type
of
landscaping
will
be
quite
important
to
Shield.
The
parking
lot
from
the
adjacent
neighbors,
as
well
as
from
the
street,
which
is
in
historic
kind
of
Street
there,
so
it's
not
just
about
shielding
it
from
the
neighbors,
but
providing
a
good
landscape
concept
along
the
street
Escape.
H
Also,
the
lighting
is
of
a
little
bit
of
concern
to
us.
We'd
want
a
little
more
information
about
the
lighting
it
it
looked
like.
There
was
a
cut
sheet
on
there
that
demonstrated
the
type
of
lighting,
but
we
would
certainly
be
opposed
to
something
that
was
more.
Like
a
you
know,
a
large
parking
lot
lighting
fixture.
We
would
not.
We
would
respectfully
not
approve
that
type
of
fixture,
so
we'd
want
to
see
a
little
more
information
as
well
as
light
levels.
H
Perhaps
on
a
you
know,
a
sensor
that
could
go
on
and
off,
because
that
probably
even
more
than
the
paving
will
have
impact
both
on
the
neighborhood
and
on
the
adjacent
neighbors.
So
those
are
really
our
concerns.
We
did
indicate
those
concerns.
The
lighting
we
hadn't
seen
yet
for
the
parking
lot,
so
that
was
not
contained
in
our
previous
letter,
but
the
other
issues
were.
We
would
respectfully
request
just
that.
H
We
have
a
little
more
information
on
what
the
what
the
committee
and
our
neighborhood
have
expressed
before
approve
approval
of
the
plan
and
I
do
want
to
iterate
that
we
do
appreciate
the
owners
and
how
much
work
they
have
put
into
this
property.
They
have,
they
have
improved
it
immensely,
so
we
really
do
want
to
work
with
them
to
have
it
fit
into
the
community.
Thank
you
for
your
Tech.
Thank.
A
You
point
of
concern
for
me,
Jessica
and
Taylor.
Can
commission
comment
on
the
lighting?
Is
that
something
that
we
can
include
in
our
our
motion
or
set
outside
our
purview.
K
A
Can
comment
okay,
so
we
could
include
that
in
the
motion,
if
we
chose
to
so
okay.
B
I
just
I
did
see
in
the
life
that
they
mentioned.
Maybe
I'm
wrong
about
this,
but
I
know
that
I
noticed
a
12-foot
mounting
light
and
I
I.
Don't
know
my
rules
about
Heights
on
this,
but
just
the
mounting
would
be
also
important
in
a
residential
I.
B
Don't
know
what's
expected,
but
clearly
I
mean
if
I
suppose,
if
they're
on
dark
sky
compliant
and
if
they're
on
motion,
maybe
that's
not
an
issue
but
again
I
guess
what
is
the
sensitivity
of
mounting
them
and
locating
them
so
that
they're
not
right
clearly
viewed
across
the
street
from
the
other
houses
right.
P
The
lighting
came
with
the
landscape
drawing,
but
the
reason
why
we
are
doing
the
meetings
is
to
make
sure
the
the
people
in
the
community
are
comfortable.
They
Assisted
Living
it's
for
the
community,
so
if
they
want
a
Guiding
Light,
we
would
definitely
do
that
if
they
want
us
to
adjust
the
light
to
be
more
lower
and
not
bright,
we
would
do
that.
So
the
purpose
of
the
meeting
is
just
to
make
sure
that
the
the
Assisted
Living
it's
part
of
that
community.
P
So
we
are
going
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
the
community
are
comfortable
so
going
with
the
drawings.
That's
what
the
landscape
drawing
required
us
to
do
from
the
county
department,
but
we
need
to
do
the
guiding
yes,
so
I'm,
trying
to
not
do
something
that
is
not
appropriate
by
the
county.
So
I
have
to
do
what
is
appropriate
by
the
county.
P
I
also
have
to
put
in
consideration
with
the
neighbors,
because
if
I
mean
I'm
in
that
property,
that
the
property
and
in
there
it's
my
property,
so
I'm
part
of
the
community,
so
the
goal
is
to
make
everybody
comfortable
so
and
I.
At
the
same
time,
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
in
line
with
the
Regulatory
Compliance.
P
Q
P
County,
the
the
Baltimore
county
is
requiring
us
to
do
for
that
area,
but
I
am
open
to
do
if
it's
a
garden
lights,
I
will
do
it
if
it's
to
put
it
for
motion,
sense
sensitivity,
we'll
do
it.
We
are
here
to
listen
to
what
everybody
wants
and
what
is
going
to
make
everybody
comfortable,
and
we
are
open
to
do
that.
A
A
suggestion
to
the
commission
at
this
point
we're
talking
a
little
bit
around
and
around
on
the
issue,
and
perhaps
we
could
make
a
motion
that
we
would
allow
it
to
proceed
with
the
approval
of
a
smaller
group
pending
the
approval
of
the
neighbors.
A
It
sounds
like
there's
been
a
little
miscommunication
there
and
if
they
can
talk
this
plan
with
the
neighbors
have
the
neighbors
come
back
with
a
letter
from
the
sudbrook
association
saying
that
it
meets
their
approval
and
then
allow
a
subcommittee
to
make
the
final
decision,
so
we
don't
hold
them
up
and
and
that's
in
recognition
that
we
don't
have
a
meeting
next
month.
I
C
C
J
J
G
Comment
that
that
I
had
a
question
I
had
was
you
know.
I
was
looking
at
the
street
view
and
I.
It
was
just
wondering
if
there
are
any
street
lights
in
this
neighborhood
at
all
existing
already
or
is
that
not
something
that
that
exists
in
you
know
in
the
neighborhood
I
know
some
it's
you
know
some
historic
neighborhoods
have
street
lights
on
the
you
know,
sidewalks
or
Corners
I've,
not
seen
any
in
you
know,
looking
at
the
Google
Street
View,
but
I
may
be
missing.
Some.
A
So
we
could
leave
that
I.
Think
that's
an
important
question
and
I
think
then
the
neighbors
can
kind
of
meet
with
these
owners
and
the
owners
seem
willing
to
accommodate
their
their
needs.
Is
there
somebody
who
might
like
to
put
that
concept
into
emotion
for
us,
I'll.
I
E
R
A
C
I
I'm,
probably
gonna
miss
some
things
so
feel
free
to
add
or
just
subtract.
What
I'm
saying,
let
me
just
look
I
would
vote
to
issue
of
notice
to
proceed
as
designed
with
several
comments.
I
One
is
that
it's
contingent
on
them
meeting
and
getting
an
approval
for
the
Community
Association
two,
that
the
lights
are
all
cut
off,
light
fixtures
that
don't
allow
spilling
of
light
onto
the
off
of
their
property
line
over
their
property
line
and
that
their
dark
sky
compliant
and
that
the
lights
have
are
activated
by
motion
sensors,
not
by
timers
and
not
left
on
all
the
time.
That's.
A
You
Ed
do
we
have
a
second
for
that,
so
we
can
get
it
into
discussion.
D
I
just
wanted
to
clear
up
after
the
Community
Association
approves
that
do
we
have
a
smaller
site
committee
then
approve
it.
Yes,.
A
A
A
I
If
we
did
get
an
approval
from
the
community
and
they
do
the
things
that
we
say-
I
think
staff
better
prove
it
I
think
NF
staff
needs
things
that
they
need
more
input
from
Commissioners
that
we
can
have
a
couple
of
Commissioners.
They
could
call
on
a
couple
of
folks.
E
L
A
P
A
A
A
Yes,
I
was
just
about
to
go
over
it.
Let
me
read
it
back
to
you
so
kind
of
an
in
Prelude
to
me.
Reading
it
back
to
you.
We
appreciate
your
willingness
to
work
with
the
community
and
restoring
this
building.
We
we
think
that
it's
important,
that
the
community
sign
off
on
it.
A
So
the
motion
is
that
we
vote
to
issue
a
notice
to
proceed
as
completed
with
the
condition
that
the
Community
Association
approve
the
plan
and
with
the
further
condition
that
the
lighting,
the
I'm,
not
sure
I'm,
going
to
get
these
technical
things
right,
dark
sky,
night
lighting
and
motion
activated
and
light
pollution
not
spill
out
of
you
or
the
footprint
of
your
property.
Yes,.
P
A
A
Would
just
not
delayed
it's
just
you
as
quickly
as
you
work
through
those
those
issues
which
frankly
may
not
take
that
long.
Then
you
can
come
back
to
the
to
the
staff.
L
This
is
Phil
Conte.
If
you
don't
mind,
if
I
ask
one
or
two
more
questions,
just
I
just
wouldn't
want
to
make
sure
I
get
get
an
understanding
of
what
we
would.
What
you
guys
would
like
us
to
provide
so
that
you
guys
can
understand
if
I'm
I'm
I
would
update
the
plans
but
I
I
guess
what
what
would
also
help
is.
Maybe
some
more
actual
images
of
what
the
lighting
fixtures
might
look
like
or.
A
Phil
I
think
I
think
what
we're
really
saying
is
that,
while,
while
we'd
like
to
know
that
it's
being
done,
who
you
need
to
get
in
front
of
is
a
community
group?
Okay,.
A
The
the
you
don't
need
to
bring
us
anything
until
you've
gone
through
the
community
group
to
see
what
what
makes
them
happy
and
then
they
once
they
sign
off
on
it.
They
will
let
us
know,
and
it
should
your
any
adjustments
to
the
plan
should
accompany
that
letter
to.
L
L
And
maybe
you
tunde
might
know
this,
but
is
there
a
point
of
contact
for
that
community
group
that
I
should
know
about
so
I
can
get
well.
A
You
could
start
with
with
Miss
Watkins,
who
was
on
the
phone.
Okay,
that's
today,
so
yes,.
E
A
With
all
that
background,
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
vote
and
Jessica.
You
know
you
lead
us
through
a
roll
call
vote.
A
J
F
J
A
K
Well,
you
know
it's
not
quite
seven
yet
so
we're
doing
pretty
good
timing.
We
have
the
Brennan
property
located
at
102
Rosewood
Avenue
in
Catonsville
County
Council
District
number
two.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
old
Catonsville
National
register,
historic
district
and
the
owners
wish
to
make
a
series
of
regular
maintenance
repairs
to
the
exterior
of
the
home,
including
cleaning
and
staining
a
portion
of
the
existing
Cedar,
shake
shingle,
siding,
painting,
wood
trim
and
features
and
removing
and
replacing
concrete
slabs
located
in
the
yard
and
Shred
interior.
K
The
project
includes
four
work
items,
three
of
which
are
eligible
to
receive
County
historic
tax
credits.
Work
item
number
one
for
the
exterior
Cedar
Shake
siding
staining
the
application
notes
that
the
original
1913
cedar,
shingles
siding,
is
located
on
the
northeast
and
first
story.
West
elevations
and
on
the
front
porch
Cedar
shot.
Cedar's
siding
was
replaced
in
2004
on
the
south
and
Second
Story
West
elevations,
sustaining
on
the
replace
cedar
siding,
is
failing.
K
The
owners
wish
to
clean
and
restain
the
siding
on
the
south
and
2nd
Story
West
elevations
to
match
the
existing
pigment
work
item
number
two
for
wood
trim.
Fulton
ERS
wish
to
paint
the
exterior
wood
trim,
including
the
brake
boards
and
soffits.
The
wood
features
will
be
gently,
cleaned
scraped,
sanded,
primed
and
repainted
to
match
the
exist
in
Color.
Work
item
number
three
for
concrete
slab
replacement.
The
owners
wish
to
remove
and
replace
an
existing
concrete
slab
located
beneath
the
Second
Story
rear
porch.
K
The
slab
was
installed
in
the
1950s
and
has
degraded
a
new,
smaller
concrete
slab
will
be
poured
within
the
footprint
of
the
existing.
This
work
is
not
tax
credit
eligible.
Finally,
work
item
number:
four:
the
shed
gravel
floor
replacement.
The
owners
wish
to
replace
existing
gravel
floor
within
the
rear,
shed
with
a
concrete
slab.
The
shed
was
installed
in
the
mid-1950s.
I
E
F
K
I
R
R
It
needs
replacement
that
it's
right
up
against
the
house-
and
you
know
just
was
thinking
in
the
interest
of
water
management
that
that
would
be
might
be
tax
credit
eligible.
A
A
In
a
second
second,
thanks,
Chris
thanks
Seth
roll
call
vote.
Jessica
have.
M
A
F
A
You
so
on
on
other
items
that
we
have
to
cover.
There
are
a
couple
of
historic
review
applications
that
were
approved
by
staffs
emergency
repair.
You
want
to
talk
about
those
Jessica.
Yes,.
K
So
we
we've
already
discussed
the
Watkins
property
at
709,
cliveden,
Road,
South,
Brook,
Park,
County,
historic
district
and
the
first
two
work
items
in
the
application
were
approved
by
staff
as
an
emergency
repair
for
structural
and
roof
repairs,
Replacements
to
the
rear,
porch,
and
the
second
is
the
Roche
property
at
24.
Lyncrest,
Avenue,
Catonsville,
old
Catonsville,
National
register
historic
district,
and
this
was
an
updated
Amendment
for
2021
exterior
painting.
A
Thank
you
thank
you
and
and
just
a
point
of
Interest.
We
have
no
meeting
in
December
but
with
Sarah
continuing
education
program
scheduled
for
that
night.
Yes,.
G
I
had
a
question
about
that,
because
on
the
in
Baltimore
County
public
schools
have
on
their
Community
engagement
plan
for
Towson
High
School.
They
have
listed
on
December
8th,
a
presentation
to
the
LPC
presented,
recommended
mitigation,
option
informational
meeting,
so
I'm
wondering
if
they
think
we
have
a
meeting
on
December
8th
and
they
need.
E
There
is
no
LPC
meeting
in
December
that
was
they
didn't
talk
to
us
before
that
timeline.