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A
To
start
mitch,
kellman,
who
is
our
the
chair
of
this
of
the
landmarks
preservation
commission,
has
a
conflict
on
one
of
the
projects
and
has
recused
himself
from
today's
meeting.
A
Because
of
that
I
will
be
chairing
the
meeting
today.
So
given
that,
after
that,
I
will
start
do
the
first
order
of
business,
which
is
introducing
the
commission
members
taylor.
Could
you
go
through
and
just
call
people's
names,
so
we
have
have
a
proper
order
and
know
that
we're
getting
everybody.
G
F
A
Horde
executive
appointment.
B
I
There
we
go.
Thank
you
chris
west,
in
district
2.
B
Perfect
and
with
staff
tonight
we
have
myself
and
caitlin
merritt
who's
our
preservation
services
chief,
as
well
as
steve
lafferty,
who
is
the
director
of
the
department
of
planning,
is
joining
us
tonight
and
we
are
grateful
to
have
all
of
our
call-in
users
as
well
and
with
that
back
to
you,
ed.
A
A
I
cannot
find
my
list
of
operating
the
blurb
I'm
supposed
to
read.
It
seems
to
have
vanished
from
my
computer.
B
That
is
okay.
I
can
read
it
on
your
behalf,
just
so
that
we
have
it.
Oh
okay,
here
we
go
so
everyone
just
pretend
that
this
is
reading.
It.
B
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
is
the
the
meeting
of
the
baltimore
county
landmarks
preservation.
Commission
is
now
in
session.
Please
note:
this
meeting
is
being
audio
recorded,
as
ed
already
stated,
mitch
kellman,
our
commission
chair,
could
not
be
in
attendance
tonight,
so
ed
will
be
cheering
in
the
meantime.
This
is
your
volunteer
representatives
appointed
by
county
council
and
county
executives
and
entrusted
to
monitor,
renovations
and
additions
to
our
baltimore
county,
historic
resources.
B
The
commission
reviews
and
approves
nominations.
The
baltimore
county,
preliminary
landmarks
list
and
comments
on
national
register
nominations
and
is
charged
with
evaluating
submissions,
the
baltimore
county,
historic
tax
credit
program
that
encourages
appropriate
maintenance
and
renovation
of
designated
historic
properties.
B
We've
already
done
our
commissioner
introduction
and
our
pledge
of
allegiance,
so
the
landmarks
preservation
commission
operates
under
the
authority
standards
and
requirements
of
title
vii,
article
32
of
the
baltimore
county
code.
They
refer
to
the
united
states,
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
as
administered
by
the
national
park
service.
This
is
the
accepted
national
standard
for
historic
preservation
projects,
our
own
baltimore
county,
historic
preservation,
design
guidelines,
directly
reference
and
incorporate
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation.
B
We
have
important
preservation
issues
to
discuss
and
debate
at
each
meeting.
If
you
would
like
to
make
comments,
please
limit
your
comments,
the
specific
preservation
submission
being
reviewed.
We
ask
for
your
assistance
and
understanding
so
that
discussions
do
not
digress
as
an
additional
comment.
We
can
all
agree
that
historic
preservation
is
an
important
aspect
of
the
quality
of
life
and
place
that
makes
baltimore
county
unique.
As
a
commission,
we
seek
to
recommend
significant
buildings
and
places
for
landmark
consideration
to
the
county
council
for
their
final
vote.
B
As
commissioners,
we
serve
on
the
commission
due
to
our
expertise,
interest
and
passion
for
historic
buildings
and
places
and
review
submissions
based
solely
on
their
merit.
While
we
may
disagree
in
discussion
and
voting,
we
continue
to
be
a
collegial
body
that
respects
each
other,
both
personally
and
professionally.
A
The
next
order
of
business
is
the.
Are
there
any
changes
to
today's
agenda.
B
Oh
sorry,
I
was
muted
before
we
go
into
consideration
of
changes
to
the
agenda.
I
would
just
like
to
have
a
staff
reminder
of
the
lpc
review.
As
a
note,
the
commission
received
all
of
the
meeting
materials
one
week
ago
and
the
information
presented
in
this
slideshow
is
purely
visual
to
keep
the
meeting
moving
along
and
with
that.
B
If
anyone
like
would
like
to
offer
comments
during
the
meeting
you'll
see
that
you
can
do
so
using
the
chat
box,
you
can
select
host
and
send
your
comments
over
and
staff
will
read
the
comments
on
your
behalf
or
you
can
use
the
raised
hand
button.
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
interested
in
the
public
hearing
that
we're
having
tonight
so
feel
free
to
use
either
of
those
to
chat
and
with
that
there
are
no
changes
to
the
shares
to
the
agenda.
A
Okay,
thank
you
before
we
get
started.
I
want
to
just
remind
people
that
we
have
a
very,
very
full
agenda
tonight.
It's
it's
it's
long!
It's
got
a
lot
of
items
which
are
going
to
take
a
while.
So
I
would
ask
first
the
commissioners
to
focus
and
be
very
direct
and
succinct
in
what
you're
saying
and
try
to
minimize
your
time,
but
do
what
we
need
to
do,
but
to
just
focus
on
the
issues
and
direct
and
be
direct
about
what
you're
saying
for
these
folks
in
the
audience.
A
If
you
have,
if
you're
going
to
make
comments,
we're
going
to
limit
the
the
amount
of
time
that
we
have
to
two
minutes,
and
we
will
be
strict
about
that,
we
will
mute
you
after
the
two
minutes
is
up
so
we'll
give
you
a
15
second
warning,
15
seconds
before
your
two
minutes
is
up
but
make
sure
that
you're
focusing
on
items
that
have
to
do
with
historic
preservation
when
you're
speaking
and
please,
if
you're.
A
A
Do
we
have
any
anyone
have
any
comments,
changes
or
suggestions
for
the
minutes.
A
Hearing
none,
if
can
I
have
a
motion
for
approval.
A
Well,
let's,
in
that
case,
let's
do
a
roll
call.
Taylor.
F
B
F
E
B
C
B
C
B
K
A
The
next
order
of
business
are
the
consent,
agenda
items
number
five,
seven
and
ten
taylor.
Do
you
wanna
discuss
those.
B
Sure,
first,
we
have
agenda
item
number
five.
This
is
the
stuthman
property
at
119,
smithwood
avenue
in
catonsville.
It's
a
contributing
structure
in
the
old
catonsville
national
register,
historic
district.
The
proposal
is
part
to
approval
for
the
in-kind
replacement
of
a
fiberglass
roof.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
issue,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
roofs,
page
10,
7
and
10
county
code,
section
112201.
B
B
The
proposal
is
the
replacement
of
an
existing
wood
privacy
fence
with
a
wooden
six
foot
board
and
baton
fence
and
part
two
approval
for
an
hvac
installation
as
a
no
commissioners.
The
meeting
materials
that
you
received
did
reflect
that
the
site
plan
says
the
existing
fence
is
over
the
property
line.
The
homeowners
are
aware
of
this.
However,
the
commission
does
not
comment
on
zoning
issues,
which
is
why
we
felt
comfortable
leaving
this
on
the
consent
agenda.
B
They're
aware
of
that,
for
future
reference,
though
staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
both
projects,
citing
baltimore,
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
fences
and
landscape,
page
four
national
park
service,
technical
preservation,
services,
preservation,
brief
number
24,
heating,
ventilating
and
cooling,
historic
buildings,
problems
and
recommended
approaches
and
county
code
sections,
327403
and
11
2201.
B
Finally,
we
have
agenda
item
number
10.
This
is
the
knob
hon
property
at
1722,
kirk
avenue
in
lutherville.
It's
a
contributing
structure
in
the
lutherville
county,
historic
district
mip
number
ba
344.
The
proposal
is
part:
two
approval
for
the
income
repair
and
replacement
of
wood,
siding
as
necessary
in
exterior
repainting.
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
sending
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
facade
materials,
pages,
2,
11
and
12,
and
county
code
section
112201.
A
F
B
E
E
B
C
L
B
H
A
A
B
Yes,
so
this
is
agenda
item
number
four
bosley,
mansion
and
grounds
and
setting
it's
the
presbyterian
home
of
maryland
property
located
at
400
georgia
court
in
towson.
It's
myth
number
ba
97,
and
this
is
a
public
hearing
on
the
nomination
to
the
preliminary
landmarks
list.
The
nomination
was
submitted
by
preservation
alliance
of
baltimore
county.
As
stated,
this
property
is
owned
by
presbyterian
home
of
maryland.
The
structure
is
currently
vacant
and
was
previously
occupied
by
the
presbyterian
home
retirement
nursing
home
facility.
B
This
structure
was
originally
nominated
back
in
2016,
but
the
nomination
was
pulled
in
2018
following
the
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
developer
and
the
community.
The
nomination
has
now
been
resubmitted
and
I
will
turn
things
over
to
ms
caitlin
merritt,
our
chief
of
preservation,
services
for
a
presentation
on
the
structure,
nomination
and
staff
recommendation.
J
Thank
you
for
being
here.
The
nomination
for
the
bosley
mansion
and
grounds
was
submitted
by
the
preservation
alliance
of
baltimore
county,
as
taylor
already
stated,
for
the
following
criteria:
criteria:
one
association
with
an
important
person,
dr
grafton
bosley,
and
criteria
two
as
a
distinctive
example
of
a
particular
architectural
style,
particularly
the
second
empire
style.
J
Just
a
note
on
evaluations
and
typical
procedures
for
processing,
landmark
nominations,
and
this
process
is
conducted
for
all
nominations.
Some
qualified
staff
will
conduct
additional
research
beyond
the
information
that's
presented
in
the
nomination
in
order
to
determine
the
significance
and
historical
integrity
of
the
nominated
property
and
review
the
justifications
presented
in
the
submitted
domination
form
and,
in
this
case,
the
preservation
of
alliances.
J
The
preservation
alliance's
nomination
form
for
evaluating
and
applying
the
landmark
criteria,
staff
and
commission
utilize,
the
secretary
of
interior
standards,
how
to
apply
the
national
register
criteria
for
our
evaluation,
which
is
outlined
in
the
landmark
preservation
commission's
historic
guidelines
and
regulations
which
are
available
on
the
lpc's
webpage
to
be
eligible.
A
property
must
demonstrate
significance
in
the
terms
of
one
or
more
of
the
five
broad
criteria,
and
must
also
retain
physical
integrity
to
convey
that
significance.
J
Historic
integrity
is
based
on
seven
aspects,
as
defined
by
the
national
park
service,
which
are
location,
setting
design,
materials,
workmanship,
feeling
and
association,
essentially,
meaning
that
properties
must
not
be
substantially
altered.
Since
a
person
live
there
and
architecturally.
Significant
properties
must
retain
the
majority
of
the
features
that
characterize
their
type.
J
J
J
Some
of
the
most
noted
changes
included
the
reorientation
of
the
site.
On
its
present
five
point:
4.5
acre
property
relocating
the
primary
facade
from
its
original
location
on
the
east
elevation
to
its
present
location
on
the
south
elevation,
the
addition
of
the
two-story
classical
revival
portico
on
that
new
primary
facade.
J
In
addition,
the
the
roads
and
entrances
from
the
bosley
and
office
areas
were
covered
as
a
result
of
the
primary
facade,
change
and
sight.
Reorientation
and
new
entrances
were
created
with
a
looping
drive
on
the
south
side
of
the
property,
with
the
addition
of
stone
entrance
markers
containing
a
plaque
that
reads:
presbyterian
home
of
maryland.
J
J
The
property
on
which
the
presbyterian
home
sits
was
once
part
of
the
inherited
land
holdings
of
dr
grafton
marsh
osley,
comprising
parts
of
the
gunners
range
and
james
meadowland
tracks.
The
property
had
originally
been
acquired
by
bosley's
uncle.
Dr
grafton
marsh
in
1825,
dr
marsh
died
unexpectedly
and
a
few
months
after
his
acquisition
and
were
inherited
by
his
brother,
dr
josiah
marsh.
J
Dr
josiah
marsh
and
his
wife
had
no
children
and
consequently
named
several
nephews
as
heirs,
including
grafton
marsh
bosley.
In
his
1850.
Will
dr
bosley
inherit
a
bulk
of
the
estate,
which
included
several
hundred
acres,
the
comp
comprised
of
both
the
marsh
farm
in
towson
and
an
upper
farm
in
delaney
valley.
J
J
J
In
addition
to
being
a
doctor,
grafton
buzzy
was
also
a
farmer.
Shortly
after
he
took
over
his
uncle's
farm,
he
constructed
multiple
farm
accessory
structures
in
an
article
in
the
sun
dated
in
1859
noted
a
barn
fire
mentioned
a
new
corn
crib
and
the
various
farming
equipment
that
was
also
destroyed.
Together
with
some
40
bales
of
corn
architecture,
agricultural
implements
hay
grain,
which
were
all
burned.
J
The
whole
loss
was
an
estimated
at
twenty
eight
hundred
dollars,
on
which
there
was
an
insurance
in
the
hartford
company
of
eight
hundred
dollars
on
the
1860
agricultural
census,
also
known
as
an
extensive
farm
operation
that
existed
on
dr
bosley's
farm
by
1870,
the
agricultural
census
reports,
a
significant
reduction
in
crop
yield
and
less
value
of
livestock
and
farming
implements.
This
is
likely
due
to
the
fact
that
the
new
highlands
mansion
was
situated
on
the
land
on
land
formerly
used
for
farming.
J
In
addition
to
his
interest
in
medicine
and
farming.
He
was
also
closely
involved
in
the
local
in
local
institutions
and
politics
that
evolved
in
response
to
towson's
official
establishment
as
the
county
seat
of
baltimore
baltimore
county
in
1851.,
bosley's
first
venture
into
development
in
towson
came
with
the
conveyance
of
land
for
the
construction
of
the
odd
fellas
lodge
in
1852.
J
J
J
Most
of
the
land
around
the
courthouse
that
was
owned
by
bosse
was
acquired
by
enos
medley,
who
would
end
up
being
credited
as
the
one
who
large
who
was
largely
responsible
for
the
commercial
development
of
the
area
after
the
towson
courthouse
opened
in
1857,
development
picked
up
and
it
wasn't
just
public
buildings
and
commercial
buildings
that
followed.
The
demand
for
residential
housing
in
the
towson
area
also
significantly
increased.
J
Each
development
of
towson
featured
its
own
distinctive
architectural
style.
The
size
of
lots
and
building
technology
also
influenced
the
choices
made
and
how
the
buildings
were
situated
when
constructed
both
egg
birth,
vale
and
highlands
featured
a
design
that
included
a
mansard
roof,
which
was
most
associated
with
the
second
empire
period.
J
It
was
considered
to
be
very
modern
because
the
style
imitated
the
latest
french
building
fashions
made
popular
during
the
reign
of
napoleon's.
Sir
various
parisian
exhibitions
helped
spread
the
style
to
united
states,
but
was
very
popular
in
the
northeast,
as
you
can
see
in
the
1876
hopkins
atlas.
1891
pot
in
the
1898
bromley
atlas
that
the
original
house
faced
east
and
its
carriage
road
was
accessed
by
chesapeake
avenue
and
it
led
to
a
circle
driveway
in
front
of
the
main
house.
J
The
general
form
of
the
house
is
depicted
as
well,
however,
it's
not
a
true
representation
of
what
you
can
tell
is
that
it
was
either
rectangular
square
footprint
with
their
rear
edition
in
the
1891
plat
depicts
the
house
in
the
form,
that's
most
likely
resembles
the
form
of
the
house
at
that
time.
The
rest
of
the
plate
shows
additional
development
plans
by
bosley,
which
never
happened,
which
is
evidenced
by
the
1898
atlas.
J
Colonel
offit
was
a
notable
attorney
a
businessman
and
was
very
involved
with
house
and
affairs,
including
his
feelings
as
a
lawyer
for
the
united
railways
company.
Shortly
after
approaching
highlands
off,
it
died
suddenly
leaving
behind
his
wife
and
two
young
children
for
whom
this
state
was
held
in
trust.
J
Mrs
offit,
married
again
in
1905
to
her
late
husband's
brother,
towson
banker,
thomas
offense,
the
the
family
divided
their
time
between
the
estate
and
their
residence
in
baltimore
city.
The
image
on
the
side
is
a
plot
from
1900
that
was
part
of
the
deed
to
colonel
off
it
upon
his
purchase
of
the
property.
It
depicts
a
large
garage
tool
shed
ice
house,
a
cream
shed
and
the
chicken
house.
The
only
surviving
outfitting
from
this
era
appears
to
be.
J
The
offid
family
had
a
very
lively
and
prominent
social
life
and
often
entertained
family
in
france.
At
highlands,
a
feature
in
the
january
21
1906
edition
of
the
sun
titled
attractive
specimens
of
suburban
architecture
depicted
highlands,
the
residence
of
mr
thomas
office.
It
portrayed
a
grant
a
grand
structure
that
faced
east
toward
towson.
J
This
is
the
earliest
photo
that
could
be
found
depicting
the
original
appearance
of
the
house,
and
some
elements
of
its
original
facade
can
be
seen.
The
majority
of
them
have
been
covered
by
later
additions
like
the
three
roof
stormers
on
this
elevation,
whereas
the
other
roof
slope
have
too,
and
some
of
the
larger
paired
windows
on
this
side.
J
The
1915
atlas
of
baltimore
county
depicts
one
of
the
frame
accessory
structures
and
a
house
with
its
primary
facade.
Looking
ease.
J
The
wide
carriage
drive
is
depicted
as
having
two
points
of
access
from
chesapeake
avenue.
With
a
large
circular
drive
located
east
of
the
main
entrance
on
the
west
access
road,
most
likely
was
a
service
drive
in
1918
tax
records
noted
the
assessed
value
was
9
100
for
the
main
structure
at
highlands,
along
with
a
large
garage
plattstrawl
for
the
authored
estate
and
the
property
in
the
1920s
also
depict
the
structure's
main
entrance
facing
east,
with
a
small
projecting
porch
on
the
southern
facing
elevation
and
another
on
the
western
or
rear
wing.
J
After
thomas
offit
died,
suddenly
in
1920
the
family
decided
to
sell
the
property
to
developer
jay
elmer
a
wise
height
in
1922
for
forty
thousand
dollars
the
wise
side
family
retained
the
dwelling
for
themselves
until
the
rest
of
the
land
could
be
carved
into
lot.
Lots
for
his
proposed
cottage
community.
J
A
survey
of
the
property
was
done
prior
to
white
sites,
purchase
of
the
property
still
to
fix
the
depicts
the
eastern
facing
facade,
long
circular,
driveway,
garage
and
toolshed.
J
During
this
time,
when
wise
height
occupied
the
house,
it
is
most
likely
that
the
primary
facade
was
moved
from
its
original
location
on
the
east
elevation
to
its
present
location
on
the
south
elevation.
It
makes
sense
that
this
was
done
at
the
time
as
a
result
of
the
subdivision
to
reorient
the
site.
So
the
house
was
centrally
located
on
its
new
4.5
acre
lot
as
a
way
to
attract
potential
buyers.
J
Like
their
19th
century
counterparts,
who
flocked
north
of
baltimore
city
on
trains
when
streetcars
and
automobiles
arrived,
many
residents
looked
further
north
of
the
city
when
it
came
to
finding
new
communities
in
which
to
live,
development
that
had
been
creeping
north
on
york.
Road
for
decades.
Continued
at
a
rapid
pace,
as
former
estates
were
subdivided
into
the
denser
communities
that
benefited
from
the
public
water
and
sewer
systems.
J
J
Marketing
by
the
southland
hills,
community
and
many
other
suburban
subdivisions
could
be
tricking
in
time
with
no
building
regulations
existed.
A
southland
company
was
fortunate
to
have
the
large
lot
within
the
proposed
community
under
their
control.
Incorporating
the
mansion
into
the
development
design
was
something
given
a
priority
by
the
developers
in
a
letter
to
towson-based
property
survey.
J
Surveyor
william
whitney
the
trust
company
communicated
their
interest
in
having
the
survey
altered
to
include
the
estates
building
locations
in
order
to
see
how
the
property
could
be
laid
out
for
development
purposes,
without
interfering
with
the
main
house
having
purview
over.
This
parcel
also
helped
avoid
a
use
that
might
prejudice
the
sales
of
the
rest,
since
a
commercial
building
was
often
considered
a
nuisance
in
a
residential
community
and
threaten
the
value
of
the
surrounding
homes.
J
If
some
of
the
initial
buyers
use
their
lots
in
an
offensive
way,
if
they
build
houses
up
up
to
the
property
line
or
a
bad
designer
of
color,
the
subdivider
might
have
trouble
selling
the
remaining
lots
in
the
case
of
southland
hills.
The
developer
used
this
fact
as
a
marketing
tool
to
attract
buyers
to
the
neighborhood
in
the
heart
of
southland
hills,
towson
in
the
very
heart
of
southland
hills
in
the
midst
of
a
five-acre
open
truck,
a
tract
which
will
be
kept
open
and
untrammeled
is
situated.
J
Just
like
their
residential
counterparts,
many
institutions
were
also
looking
north
of
the
city
to
relocate
among
them
were
schools,
churches
and
home
homes
for
orphans
and
aged
who
all
had
outgrown
their
baltimore
city
locations.
The
presbyterian
home
of
maryland
was
one
of
those
institutions
looking
to
expand
to
new
facilities.
The
presbyterian
home
was
established
as
part
of
an
overall
19th
century
movement
that
saw
many
religious
based,
benevolent
institutions,
finding
ways
to
assist
their
less
fortunate.
J
J
Almost
immediately
after
taking
ownership,
additions
were
planned
to
provide
proper
facilities
for
their
residents
and
they
hired
architect,
william
gordon
beecher,
to
design
the
50
000
project,
which
would
contain
30
private
rooms
baths
and
some
pilots.
The
first
phase
of
expansion
primarily
involved
the
eastern
elevation
of
the
building,
which
was
originally
the
primary
facade.
When
bosley
first
constructed
the
house
in
1869..
J
Continuing
a
pattern
of
expansion.
Additions
to
the
northern
elevation
were
made
in
1947,
adding
a
recreational
space
in
1955
baltimore
county
reviewed
plans
for
a
proposed
new
wing
to
be
added
to
the
western
elevation,
along
with
other
alterations
to
the
previously
existing
conditions
on
the
northern
elevation.
J
This
new
addition
added
more
space
to
the
already
altered
eastern
elevation,
the
elevation,
the
presbyterian
home,
expanded
again
in
1989,
a
new
addition
that
was
added
onto
the
1977
edition.
J
J
The
changes
made
to
the
high
to
highlands
reflect
those
changes
brought
with
suburbanization
in
towson
that
occurred
in
the
late
19th
and
early
20th
centuries.
The
creation
of
the
4.5
acre
parcel
the
reorientation
of
the
building
and
site,
as
well
as
the
20th
century.
Portico
on
the
main
southern
facade
is
significant
for
its
association
with
southland
hills
development
in
the
presbyterian
home
of
maryland.
J
The
reconfiguration
of
the
structure
on
the
eastern
elevat
on
the
eastern
elevation,
where
the
original
primary
facade
was
located
also
results
in
an
architectural
example
associated
with
the
presbyterian
home,
which
obscures
its
19th
century
period.
The
small
19th
century
era
accessory
structure
has
also
become
part
of
the
20th
century
landscape.
J
Most
buildings
change
over
time
and
those
changes
can
gain
significance
on
their
own
when
reviewing
nominations
for
landmark
designations
and
for
the
national
register.
We
look
to
look
at
a
building
as
a
whole,
not
just
smaller
portion
of
the
structure.
The
national
register
bulletin
titled
how
to
apply
the
national
register
criteria
for
evaluation
states
that
parts
of
buildings
such
as
interiors
facades
or
wings,
are
not
eligible
independent
of
the
rest
of
the
building.
J
J
The
historic
setting
associated
with
dr
grafton
bosley
was
altered
with
the
development
of
the
southland
hills
community
and
the
presbyterian
home
of
maryland's
long
occupation.
Any
historic
entrances
or
carried
roads
have
been
absorbed
obscured
through
the
changes
made
by
the
southland
hills,
development
and
evolution
of
the
presbyterian
home.
J
Again,
just
a
reminder:
the
property
to
be
eligible
for
county
landmarks.
It
must
demonstrate
significance
in
terms
of
one
or
more
of
the
five
broad
criteria
as
set
in
our
county
code.
J
And
then,
after
additional
research
and
review,
the
staff
has
determined
that
the
bosley
mansion
does
not
meet
the
criteria
that
was
presented
in
a
submitted
nomination
and
therefore,
therefore,
is
not
eligible
for
this
thing.
As
a
baltimore
county
landmark.
J
And
justification
for
criteria
runs
while
the
structure
has
a
historic
association
with
dr
bosley,
of
whom
played
a
role
in
the
growth
of
house
in
the
house
and
estate
no
longer
retains
integrity,
design,
materials
workmanship,
we're
setting
to
convey
that
association,
meaning
that
the
19th
century
house
and
setting
associated
with
mosley
had
been
substantially
altered
since
he
lived
there
and
made
his
contributions
to
developments
of
towson
on
criteria
two
for
architecture,
although
the
mansard
ruth
endormers
had
their
route
in
the
19th
century,
the
plan
characteristic
of
this
architectural
style
has
been
heavily
altered
and
obscured
by
the
20th
century.
J
I
will
see
I
will
unmute
suche
the
presbyterian
home
and
representatives
jennifer
lucy
from
wait
for
taylor,
preston
and
catherine
caronda
of
our
christopher
goodwin
associates.
M
B
It's
okay,
jen.
We
can
at
least
see
the
presentation,
but
you
are
very
hard
to
hear
right
now.
Do
you
have
a
different
like
mic
that
you
can
use.
J
M
Yes,
thank
you.
Caitlyn
jennifer,
bussie,
the
firm
whiteford
taylor
and
preston
here
on
behalf
of
the
property
owner
and,
first
of
all,
thank
you
obviously
caitlyn
and
taylor
for
your
your
work.
It's
been
a
pleasure
to
to
work
with
you
both
and
thank
you
to
each
of
the
commission
members
for
your
time
and
your
service
again,
I
do
have
miss
sushay,
the
ceo
of
the
of
the
presbyterian
home
here
and
miss
catherine
miranda
with
our
goodwin
and
associates.
J
Great,
just
let
me
know,
change
the
next
slide
and
I'll
do
that,
for
you.
M
N
N
Our
firm
was
retained
by
the
presbyterian
home
of
maryland,
the
current
owners
of
the
property
to
complete
an
architectural
and
historical
investigation
of
the
bosley
mansion
and
grounds
applying
baltimore
county's
historic
guidelines
and
regulations,
and
all
work
was
completed
by
architectural
historians
who
exceed
the
professional
qualifications
established
by
the
secretary
of
interior
side.
Please.
N
Our
findings
were
submitted
in
a
letter
report
to
the
lpc
and
are
consistent
with
the
findings
of
staff
that
were
presented
in
that
excellent
staff
report.
I'd
like
to
commend
them
I'd
like
to
very
briefly
review
the
data
that
led
us
to
our
conclusions
that
neither
the
house
or
the
grounds
remain
retain
the
historical
integrity
necessary
for
inclusion
in
the
preliminary
landmarks
list
slide.
Please,
the
bosley
home
mansion
is
encompassed
in
a
sprawling
institutional
building
that
was
developed
between
1869
and
1989..
N
The
surviving
original
portion
of
the
building
is
depicted
in
red
and
you
can
see
it's
it's
a
a
small
portion
of
what's
there
now
the
mansion
is
now
part
of
a
much
larger
institutional
building
and,
as
noted
by
staff
building
bulletin
15
directs
that
buildings
must
be
considered
and
all
parts
of
buildings
are
not
considered
eligible
for
considering
consideration
as
landmarks
on
their
own.
Next,
please.
N
N
The
monumental
portico
incorporates
fiberglass
columns
and
the
remaining
building
utilizes
20th
century
institutional
materials
and
construction
standards.
Next
slide,
please
only
a
small
fraction
of
the
mansion's,
exterior
walls
and
historic
finishes
survived.
The
majority
were
substantially
altered
during
the
successive
expansion
of
the
larger
building.
N
While
a
few
elements
of
the
original
house
survive,
the
dwelling
as
a
whole
has
been
lost
slide.
Please
now
the
mansion
and
grounds
were
nominated,
as
noted
in
the
staff
report
under
criterion,
one
for
its
association
with
dr
bosley
and
under
criterion
2
as
an
example
of
a
distinctive
architectural
style
or
period
next
slide.
Please.
N
Applying
building
bulletin
14-
excuse
me,
15
property
is
important,
for
individuals
must
be
associated
with
that
individual
during
their
period
of
importance.
Next
slide,
please.
N
N
N
The
highlands
is
always,
it
was
also
the
name
of
the
parcel
of
probably
inherited
from
his
uncle.
So
there's
occasionally
a
little
confusion
between
the
house
and
the
land.
The
bosley
mansion
was
not
constructed
until
1869
period.
Newspaper
coverage
of
the
tournament
and
the
baltimore
county
agricultural
society
does
not
document
bosley's
active
involvement
in
either
either
organization
other
than
owning
the
land
that
was
used
for
the
events
slide.
Please.
N
Vosling
mansion
and
grounds
do
not
survive
the
mansion
facade
was
reoriented.
There
are,
then
six
extensive
editions
are
to
create
the
current
institutional
building
the
exist.
The
existing
mansion
was
in
bought
embedded
in
the
20th
century,
nursing
home.
N
Was
regraded
and
reoriented
to
georgia
court
and
further
altered
for
elder
care
use
during
the
1931-2016
use
as
a
nursing
home?
The
small
outbuilding
for
us
now
were
larger
agricultural
support.
Buildings
originally
were
constructed
during
the
bosley
residence
and
the
dwelling
and
landscape
are
associated
with
improvements
made
by
the
presbyterian
home
of
maryland,
rather
than
dr
bosley
during
its
occupation
between
1869
and
circum
1890
slide.
Please.
N
N
A
Thank
you
for
all
of
the
presentations
from
staff
and
from
from
kate.
The
next
item
on
the
edge
on
in
this
presentation
is
a
presentation
by
anne
griesen
of
preservation,
alliance
of
baltimore
county.
A
J
Are
you
there?
No,
no.
I'm
gonna
meet
her,
not
necessarily
presentation
but
she's
an
address
and
she's
the
nominator
of
the
landmark
nomination,
all
right
and
you're
unmuted.
P
Hi
actually
jeff
lees,
who
is
one
of
our
board?
Members,
is
going
to
make
the
initial
presentation
I'm
just
going
to
speak
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting,
but
jeff
lees
is
actually
on
to
speak
on
our
behalf.
First.
P
Q
Yes,
can
you
hear
me.
G
Q
Okay
yeah,
my
name
is
jeffrey
lees,
I'm
an
architect
in
baltimore,
county
licensed
architect
in
maryland,
since
1982
and
I've
had
my
own
private,
architectural
practice
since
1984.,
I
specialize
in
historic
architecture
and
consulting,
and
this
evening
I'm
representing
the
preservation
alliance
of
baltimore
county.
Q
It
is
a
acceptable
example
of
criteria
number
two:
a
distinctive
example
of
a
particular
architectural
style
period
and
and
really
it's
only
fair
to
talk
about
the
main
block
of
the
house
as
as
being
second
empire,
and
I
want
to
first
mention
that
there
are
two
thoughts
here.
One
is
the
providence
of
the
house,
which
is
documented
by
already
caitlyn
has
documented
its
provenance
and
this
article,
which
was
already
shown
by
caitlyn
about
the
the
write-up
in
the
paper
in
the
1869
paper.
Q
So
provenance
is
one
of
the
things
here
that
we
have
to
recognize.
The
second
thing
is
a
conformance
with
an
ideal
type
and
again
that's
the
second
empire
style
that
we're
really
trying
to
consider-
and
I
have
a
slide
image
that
I'd
like
to
show
that
is
taken
from
the
field
guide
to
american
houses
by
virginia
savage
mcallister.
Q
It's
not
a
very
good
slide.
I
apologize
for
the
my
scanner.
Wasn't
that
good,
but
basically
it
shows
what
are
really
the
features
here,
what
we
call
character,
defining
features
and
the
boss,
the
original
section
of
the
bosley
mansion
shows
or
checks
all
the
boxes,
so
to
speak
with
the
the
steeply
pitched
mastered
roof
at
the
top.
It
has
dormers
similar
to
the
one
in
the
middle.
In
an
example
of
dormers,
it
has
the
bracketed
cornice
below
the
roof
line.
The
smaller
type
below
is
hard
to
see,
but
it
says
things
like
that.
Q
There
are
the
pattern
slate
that
remains
there
are
paired
windows,
we've
seen
examples
of
that
at
the
entry,
as
well
as
on
the
visible
sections
of
the
south
assad.
We
know,
like
I
said
that
there
are
brackets
there's
the
cupola.
These
are
kind
of
the
ideal
features
shown
in
ms
mcallister's
book.
There
was
a
page
adjacent
to
this
that
I
didn't
copy,
but
basically
it
shows
the
distinctive
dormer
patterns
within
the
the
master
type
steeply
pitched
roof.
Q
So
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
or
images,
there's
a
couple
photographs
of
the
existing
building
that
I
wanted
to
show
and
of
course
this
example,
the
paired
windows
and
paired
doors
that
showed
up
on
the
mcallister
description
of
a
classic
second
empire
style.
Q
Another
image,
please
and
again
here
we
have
these
pattern
dormers
and
pattern
slate
roof
that
and
then
the
paired
windows
again
with
the
the
bracketed
cornice
below
that
these
are
classic
examples
of
the
second
empire
here,
as
even
shown
in
the
mcallister
book.
So
again
we
have
provenance
and
we
have
the
character,
defining
features
that
give
conformance
with
the
ideal
of
a
second
empire
style
building.
Now,
if
you
talk
about
integrity
well,
we
have
not
just
that
this
main
block
here,
but
we
also
have
the
additions
and
the
park
service.
Q
These
recognizes
these
editions
as
having
historic
significance
in
their
own
rights.
So
really
this
building
is
a
continuum,
a
representation
of
multiple
years
owners
and
different
styles,
even
of
architecture.
Although
the
the
main
block
is
what
we're
primarily
concerned
about
the
wings
added
at
least
up
until
1955
do
have
their
own
significance
as
historic
structures
and
the
park
service
would
recognize
them
as
such.
Q
So
really,
what
we
have
is
a
classic
example
here
of
adaptive
use
where
the
original
structure
has
been
altered
and
extended
for
usage
over
time,
and
that,
I
think,
is
its
primary
significance.
That's
not
being
discussed
here,
so
I
wanted
to
say
that,
in
light
of
yes,
every
building
has
changes
to
it,
because
there
are
multiple
owners.
There
are
very
few
pure
buildings.
Q
Architecturally
speaking,
every
owner
adds
a
layer
of
change
or
conforms
with
some
features
of
a
time
period
later
time
period
like
the
classic
portia
portico
on
the
south
facade
that
is
kind
of
the
colonial
revival.
Essence.
So
again,
we
need
to
look
at
this,
not
just
as
only
second
empire,
although
that
is
its
main
distinguishing
feature.
Q
We
need
to
look
at
a
continuum
of
structures
that
have
been
added
and
are
sympathetic
if
you
look
at
the
whole
comp
composition
over
time,
the
only
wings,
perhaps
that
would
not
be
considered
with
the
later
1979
wings.
I
believe,
but
if
you
look
at
the
1929
wing
that
that
fits
in
pretty
well
and
it
has
historic
significance
in
its
own
right.
Q
So
again
you
have
to
look
at
a
bigger
picture
here
again,
I'm
trying
to
show
you
some
images
of
the
the
display,
the
character
defining
features,
the
dormer
this
type
in
the
in
that
pattern:
slate
roof
you
see
the
oct
or
hexagonal
slates
and
the
the
regular
slate
shingles
and
then
there's
the
lower
image
is,
I
guess,
what's
referred
to
as
a
tool
shed,
but
I
would
say
that
we
still
have
integrity
of
of
the
features
that
were.
We
have
workmanship
in
the
slate
roof,
the
dormers,
the
cupola.
Q
Certainly
the
bracketed
corners
nobody's
building
houses
like
this
anymore,
so
I
I
I
say
that
this
is
is
clearly
a
good
conformance
with
criteria
number
two.
A
She
deferred
to
jeffrey
lee's.
I
believe.
P
I
can't
I
can
do
that
now
or
I
can
wait
until
others
speak
whatever
is
your
preference?
Why.
J
P
Right,
and
maybe
I
could
speak
a
little
bit
more
than
to
criteria
one-
and
I
think
part
of
what
was
so
significant,
which
caitlyn
did
refer
to
about
the
property,
is
not
just
the
history
of
of
the
day
of
the
days
when,
when
dr
bosley
was
there,
but
also
it's
so
significant,
is
really
how
his
history
has
continued
on
in
terms
of
institutional
complexes.
P
He
is
the
one
who
gave
the
land
for
the
odd
fellows
building,
and
I
just
also
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
all
did
have
the
letter
of
support
from
the
current
odd
fellows
hall.
That
was
submitted
as
well,
as
I
think,
a
late
letter
of
support
today
from
our
sister
organization
or
actually
our
brother
organization
in
baltimore
city,
from
baltimore
heritage
from
their
executive
director
supporting
the
preservation
of
the
the
full
property,
both
the
the
buildings
as
well
or
the
core
building.
P
I
should
state
as
well
as
the
grounds,
but
I
think,
with
criteria
one
it's
important
here
is
really
that
continuation
of
caring
about
institutions-
and
I
think
the
presbyterian
home
creation-
is
most
definitely
a
development
of
that.
So
so
the
significance
of
the
presbyterian
home
is
actually
very
important.
I
think
in
the
nomination,
in
that
it
really
is
the
continuum
of
what
dr
boz
of
what
dr
bosley's
plans
were
for
the
goodwill
of
the
county
for
the
support
of
the
county.
P
So
I
think
we
really
can't
discredit,
southland
hills
and
in
terms
of
the
neighborhood
and
it
being
an
example
that
truly
respects
the
history
as
well
of
this,
as
well
as
the
sighting
of
the
manchester,
but
also
the
presbyterian
home
itself,
in
terms
of
its
philosophy
of
caring
for
the
community
is,
is
very
much
an
extension
and
a
continuation
of
of
the
goals
and
ideals
that
dr
basley
did
have
at
that
time.
So
I
think
that
that
really
does
add
to
the
continuum
of
history.
P
So
you've
not
been
quite
at
that
period,
but
again
it
did
continue
on,
and
I
just
really
wanted
to
again
thank
all
the
community
members
who
have
been
very
supportive
of
of
the
project.
We've
we've
met
with
quite
a
few
community
members,
and
especially
the
ones
who
live
along
the
perimeter
of
the
property.
The
majority
of
them
are
supportive
of
keeping
both
the
the
building,
as
well
as
as
the
grounds
intact
and
part
of
their
community.
P
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
waiting
to
speak,
so
I,
if
I
could,
you
know,
have
maybe
a
minute
or
two
at
the
end,
if
needed
to
just
recap
something,
but
otherwise
that
that
was
my
main
statement.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you.
There's
one
thing
we
missed
is
taylor
was
going
to
read
the
names
of
all
the
constituents
who
submitted
written
testimony
taylor.
Do
you
want
to
do
that
now.
B
Yes,
so
if
you
are
online-
and
you
submitted
previous
written
testimony,
we're
going
to
read
your
name,
so
it's
entered
into
the
record.
The
letters
are
not
being
read
because
we
received
so
many
of
them,
but
they
have
been
shared
with
the
commission
in
full.
Letters
were
really
received
from
the
following.
B
I
apologize
in
advance
if
I
say
your
name
wrong:
angela
marzack
and
synovese
bob
and
kristen
bob
gaylor,
charles
alexander
kristy
fisher
colin
drain
david
greenberg,
don
greenberg
donna,
eden,
the
friends
of
bosley
green
community
group,
gail,
stenton,
gene
leisure,
who
is
the
grand
master
of
the
international
lodge
georgia,
chandeliers,
ruby,
hiram,
woodward,
jamie
suzuki
jason,
reins
joanna
greenhood,
johns
hopkins
catherine
denison,
lisa
custer,
louise
and
donna
timber
rhodes,
mary
gibson,
megan,
knox,
melissa,
kirby,
michael
and
christine
hoffman,
michael
martin,
monet,
chantels,
ruby,
nicole,
pope
phil
custer
robert
and
melissa
jenkins,
ruth
mascari,
stephen
williams,
suzanne
fulkerson,
o'connor,
susan
stern
and
matt
kozak
taran
reins
theodore
tucker
and
amos
thomas
and
barbara
gaylor,
thomas
aversa,
jr,
wendy,
jacobs
and
charles
profit
will
knox
and
william
thompson
and
those
were
all
letters
in
support
of
the
nomination.
B
And
then
letters
in
opposition
to
the
nomination
were
received
from
angie
hodge,
the
board
of
scotland,
hills,
improvement,
association,
carol,
allen,
jeremy
and
ann
tallman,
jim
and
deb
tomy
joseph
flurry,
kate,
not
melrose,
mary
alterman
and
ed
rosenfeld,
peter
dishinger,
phillip
and
ally,
perry,
rebecca
mcnairma,
mcnarma,
stephen
mcnarma,
wendy
kreitz
and
william
d.
Sherman.
A
Thank
you,
taylor.
The
next
item
is
I'd
like
for.
If,
if
the
commission,
any
commissioners
have
any
questions
that
they
would
like
to
address
to
the
presenters,
why
don't
we
do
that
now
before
we
have
public
comments.
J
And
these
should
be
questions
just
for
clarification,
understanding,
no
discussion.
If
any
of
you
have
questions
or
training
to
the
presentation,
but
again,
please
try
to
stay
brief,
so
we
can
get
moving
on.
A
Yeah
we're
not.
This
is
not
our
just.
We
will
have
a
discussion
following
the
public
comments,
but
I
wanted
to
at
first
just
to
see
if
you
had
any
clarifications
that
need
to
be
made.
D
So
I
have
one
clarification:
this
is
phoebe
evans
latosha.
Am
I
correct
that
southland
hills
is
not
as
a
neighborhood
is
not
a
historic
district?
It.
D
A
Hearing
none
let's:
if
do
you
want
to
talk
taylor
about
how
public
comments
will
be
handled.
J
I'll
leave
that
to
caitlin
sure,
so
we
would
like,
if
anyone
who
was
not
previously
either
submitted
a
letter
previously,
you
know
previously,
who
is
online
that
would
like
to
speak.
We
would
like
to
give
those
priority.
J
We
would
like
to
make
sure
that
the
testimony
is
limited
to
two
minutes.
Please
either
select
the
hand
raise
button
to
let
us
know,
or
you
can
send
a
chat
to
myself
as
the
host
to
let
me
know
so
far.
We
have.
J
I
have
a
theodore
amos.
J
All
right,
you're,
muted
and
your
two
minutes
is
starting
now.
R
R
Yes,
can
you
hear
me
yep
yeah?
Thank
you
good
evening
members.
My
home
is
on
georgia
court
across
from
the
property
discussed
and
I'm
a
native
of
towson.
I
urge
you
to
support
landmarking
the
towson
boston,
mansion
building
and
setting
the
cohesion
of
my
neighborhood,
which
is
historically
significant
to
baltimore
county
is
threatened.
There
have
been
overwhelming
support
for
the
preservation
of
this
building
many
years
and
over
generations.
In
2016
I
joined
115
neighbors
and
community
members
who
gathered
in
support
of
preserving
bosley
mansion.
Much
of
that
community
support
still
exists
and
has
increased.
R
In
truth,
if
you
ask
most
people
around
my
neighborhood
about
the
bosley
mansion,
they
will
tell
you
they
think
is
already
safe
from
demolition.
They
may
say
that
they
wonder
why
earlier
development
plans
have
not
moved
ahead,
didn't
we
all
stand
up
for
preservation.
Didn't
the
three
leaders
of
our
neighborhood
already
received
county
commendations
for
preserving
this
property?
Didn't
we
hire
a
photographer
to
document
our
efforts,
print
t-shirts
and
yard
signs?
Didn't
we
ask
our
aging
parents
and
children
to
lend
their
passion
and
creativity
to
our
hopes?
R
Wasn't
it
all
captured
on
video
and
in
the
newspaper
some
of
my
fellow
neighbors
polled
residents
last
year?
In
truth,
most
neighborhood
residents
recognize
the
property's
beauty
and
essential
value
and
have
signed
a
petition
that
your
membership
received.
I
studied
architecture
planning
and
historical
construction
and
preservation.
I've
been
a
licensed
architect
for
21
years,
and
I've
been
in
the
design
industry
for
37..
R
R
Okay:
okay:
well,
the
main
thing
I'd
like
to
say
is
from
what
I
observe
about
the
current
site
plans
and
historical
plats.
The
perimeter
of
the
historic
stone
wall
and
settings
lies
on
top
of
the
parcels
property
lines
in
common
with
the
county
roads
along
georgia,
court
dixie
driving
florida
road.
These
stone
walls
are
protected
public
structures
and
should
be
preserved
as
necessary
and
beautiful
neighborhood
infrastructure
of
southland
hills
in
the
united
states.
Property
rights
have
never
been
unlimited.
R
However,
most
citizens
want
to
live
in
a
society
that
respects
our
community
heritage
and
built
environments.
The
commission
must
uphold
reasonable
demolition
restrictions
of
this
historic
property,
because
landmark,
commission
stewardship
of
maryland
cultural
and
historic
resources
demand
as
much.
I
have.
R
A
A
Okay,
well,
next,
let's
open
it
up.
J
Wait,
I'm
sorry,
someone
just
hit
their
hand
raised
hold
on.
Where
did
it
go?
Oh,
no.
They
just
undid
it!
Sorry!
J
Let's
and
then
it
came
back.
Okay,
all
right.
So,
mr
joe
slovik,
I'm
gonna
unmute
you
and
give
you
your
two
minutes.
Sorry,
you're,
muted,.
S
Yeah
I
wanted
to
follow
on
last
commenter
that
you
know
the
his
private
property
property.
It
has
been
sitting
at
the
center
of
southland
hills
now,
since
the
1920s,
obviously
earlier,
and
it's
much
more
likely
been
viewed
as
a
full
structure,
the
nominative
property
was
simply
fun
to
any
development
on
the
site.
It's
pretty
clear
from
the
the
record
submitting
it
and
resubmitting
it.
S
S
S
There
were
people
early
on
on
and
held
up
signs
the
fact
that
the
south
improvement
association
and
membership
and
gone
against
the
says
that
there's
a
lot
more
support.
S
The
development
of
this
property,
of
course,
of
the
nomination
of
the
property.
J
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
We
have
a
few
others
that
sent
me
a
chat
during
that
I
am
going
to
say
your
name
and
then
even
the
order
that
you
sent
me
a
chat.
So
give
me
one
second.
J
All
right
so
first
we
have
mr
robert
burke.
J
And
just
a
reminder,
if
you
can
just
say
your
name
and
if
you're
with
an
organization
or
your
address,
if
you
live
in
the
neighborhood
just
so
we
can
have
that.
U
U
My
experience
with
the
the
neighborhood
is
we
are
divided,
but
I
think
the
overwhelming
majority
of
folks
would
prefer
to
have
it
with
a
reputable
developer,
who
has
been
trying
for
years
to
make
something
out
of
this
property
right
now,
it's
an
overgrown
drug
dump,
the
I
don't
know
who's
stealing
the
stones
to
that
precious
stone
wall,
but
the
wall
is
eroding
weeds
that
started
out
as
weeds
are
now
trees.
U
There
are
homeless,
folks
and
other
people
wandering
through
there.
Who
knows
what's
going
on
inside
the
dilapidated
structure,
there
is
no
money
to
maintain
that
property
and
it
is
a
significant
eyesore
and
it
is.
It
is
just
it's
a
problem
for
this
neighborhood
and
there
is
very
little
you
have
to
jump
through
hoops
to
connect
any
historical
significance
to
someone
named
bosley,
and
you
have
to
look
up
in
history
books
to
know
who
the
guy
is
underst,
I
and
understand
historical
preservation,
but
there
is
almost
no
association
with
this
community.
U
That
structure
has
been
changed
dozens
of
times.
The
original
historical
connected
property
is
a
tiny
fraction
of
that
sprawling,
dilapidated
dump
and
it
needs
to
not
be
preserved.
Historically,
a
reputable
developer
needs
to
do
something
good
with
that
property
for
this
community
and
for
the
for
the.
J
Right,
thank
you
all
right.
Next,
we
have
a
comment
from
michael
martin,
mr
martin.
I'm
going
to
meet
you
here
in
a
moment.
J
All
right,
mr
martin
you're
unmuted.
J
All
right,
mr
martin
you're
unmuted.
If
I
don't
hear
anything,
I'm
gonna
move
on.
J
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
the
next.
J
Person
who
I
have
I
have
a
david
edwards,
maybe
one
moment,
mr
edwards,
I
don't
want
to
meet
you
all
right.
Mr
edwards,
you're,
muted.
V
Good
evening,
and
and
thank
you
all
for
your
time-
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
that
went
into
the
research
and
the
findings
and
we
all
have
a
great
respect
for
the
history
of
our
county
and
all
of
the
wonderful
structures
around
the
county
that
that
you
know
contribute
to
our
heritage.
V
V
We
have
been
privy
to
many
proposals,
some
of
which
were
inclusive
or
attempts,
and
a
lot
of
dollars
were
spent
in
trying
to
find
a
solution
to
preserve
the
structures,
but
none
of
those
proved
to
be
financially
viable.
V
Certainly
in
a
perfect
world,
it
would
be
nice
to
preserve
this,
but
the,
but
the
property
simply
doesn't
have
options
and
it
is
plagued
by
problematic
location
and
also
many
of
our
neighbors
are
subject
to
the
storm
water
deficits
that
this
property
creates.
So
anyone
who
takes
over
this
property
is
going
to
inherit.
Also
that
issue,
which
complicates
the
development
and
a
potential
preservation
I'd
also
like
to
just
address,
and
yes.
V
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
it's
worthy
of
note
that
the
nominator
from
preservation
alliance
alluded
to
engaging
members
of
the
community,
but
for
the
record
they
did
not
engage
the
neighborhood
association
and
when
asked
to
take
questions
directly
from
our
board
and
leadership,
we're
not
willing
to
do
so.
O
Unmuted,
my
name
is
anne
snonboss.
I
live
at
five
florida
road,
which
is
on
the
east
side
of
the
mansion
property.
I
bought
my
house
five
years
ago
because
it
faces
the
side
of
the
mansion
and
I
have
a
view
of
the
grounds
and
trees
that
are
over
100
years
old.
On
that
property,
the
entire
neighborhood
of
southland
hills
was
laid
out
around
the
mansion
property.
The
curving
roads
of
southland
hills
don't
make
any
sense
without
that
property
as
the
focal
point
as
caitlin
merritt
said,
I
support
landmarking
the
mansion
and
its
green
space.
J
All
right,
I
do
not
have
any
others.
Oh
wait
just
kidding,
one
just
popped
up
hold
on.
J
I
miss
a
datsy
regal,
just
give
me
one
moment
and
I
will
unmute
you
and
again.
If
you
had
already
submitted
a
letter
of
support,
the
commission
has
received
it
so
again
if
we
want
to
reserve
these
comments
for
people
who
who
did
not
submit
prior
testimony
all
right,
all
right.
That's
briegle,
you're,
unmuted,.
W
Hi,
thank
you.
I
live
at
the
corner
of
chesapeake
in
florida
and
the
back
of
our
home
abuts.
What
will
be
well
abuts,
the
presbyterian
home,
I'm
speaking
against
this,
because
I
I've
been
listening
this
evening
and
I
feel
like
it's
a
misrepresentation
of
what
the
neighbors
that
I've
been
talking
with
and
what
the
board
has
been
saying.
W
We
are
not,
I
mean,
while
we
wanted
the
mansion
preserved
in
the
beginning,
things
have
changed,
we've
seen
how
it's
deteriorating
and
it's
the
presbyterian
home
has
said
they're
going
to
put
a
fence
around
it,
a
wire
fence.
We
surely
don't
want
that
to
happen.
My
concern
is
what
will
happen
if
this
goes
through?
How
many
more
years
will
it
be?
So
it's
been
very
upsetting
to
me
and
I
just
want
to
have
a
voice.
I
think,
for
more
people
than
have
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
tonight
against
it.
W
We're
in
favor
we're
not
in
favor
of
it
we're
in
favor
of
something
else
taking
place,
because
the
concern
is
there
is
no
funding.
Should
this
go
through
to
make
you
know
what
the
people
that
are
in
favor
of
it
want
to
happen,
and
the
concern
is
that
it
will
just
sit.
Thank
you.
J
All
right,
we
have
another
one.
The
bonk
just
give
me
one
second
and
find
your
name
and
I'll
unmute.
You.
A
Several
people
that
have
spoken
have
written
letters,
so
I,
if
you've,
if
you've
written
a
letter,
we've
got
a
lot
to
do
tonight.
This
is
one
of
15
items
on
the
agenda,
so
I
would
appreciate,
if
you
could,
if
it's
important
to
speak,
speak
but
otherwise
let
us
get
on
and
I
think
we've
hearing
starting
to
hear
some
repetition
of
those
that
are
for
and
those
that
are
against.
I
think
we've
heard
it,
but
I,
let's,
if
you
need
to
speak,
speak,
let's
try
to
wrap
this
up.
All.
J
Right,
miss
leblanc
here,
I'm
muted,
okay,.
X
Thank
you
yeah.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
dots
he
just
said
and
also
what
dave
said.
I
live
on
georgia,
court,
I'm
also
on
the
southland
hills
board
and
any
comments
that
the
neighborhood
is
all
together
and
one
mind
that
definitely
misrepresents
what's
happening.
As
datsy
said
you
know,
things
have
definitely
changed
in
the
in
these
past
years
and
I
am
absolutely
in
favor
of
moving
on
and
I
am
not
in
favor
of
having
this
landmarked.
X
A
J
So
for
a
county
landmark
to
be
eligible
for
state
or
federal
tax
credits,
it
also
needs
to
be
eligible
for
the
national
register
and
the
way
the
landmark
nomination
was
submitted
to
us
was
only
for
the
bosley
mansion.
It
was
not
for
the
entire
structure
of
the
presbyterian
home
and
from
our
our
national
register
bulletin.
J
That
parts
of
structures
are
not
eligible
for
the
national
register,
because
you
have
to
consider
the
entire
structure
with
that
regard.
If
it's
landmarked
as
the
bose
mansion,
it
would
not
most
likely
not
be
eligible
for
the
national
register
and
then
it
would
not
qualify
for
state
or
federal
tax
credits
for
historic
preservation,
which
are
big
incentives
for
developers
to
preserve
and
adaptively
reuse
structures.
A
Okay,
well
unmute
yourself
and
speak
charles.
F
I
I
have
a
question
in
situations
like
this:
are
we
allowed
expected
to
take
into
account
any
financial
implications?
F
I
mean
it
sounds
like
one
of
the
issues
is
that
making
you
know
designating
this
as
an
historic
landmark
will
make
this
a
more
expensive
project
to
renovate
and
may
make
it
more
difficult
for
any
future
owner
to
do
anything
with
the
building.
Are
we
allowed
to?
Is
that
one
of
the
criteria
that
we're
allowed
to
consider.
J
F
F
C
E
As
this
falls
in
in
my
district
and
my
backyard,
I
do
want
to
commend
both
the
people
who
have
been
for
it
and
both
the
people
against
it
for
a
vigorous
community
debate,
which
is
sometimes
can
be
fracturing
in
a
community.
E
I
B
Once
the
commission
is
ready
for
a
motion,
yes,
you
will
have
to
have
a
formal
motion.
If
you
choose
to
side
with
staff
or
agree
with
staff,
you
can
read
the
staff
recommendation
that
is
on
the
screen,
but
someone
will
say
that.
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
say
one
thing
before
we
make
make
the
motion.
I
I
also
agree
with
staff
recommendations
that
this
would,
you
know,
should
not
qualify
as
landmark
status.
It
does
seem
to
me
that
it's
you
know
just
too
much
has
been
done
to
the
building
that
it
has
lost
its
integrity
of
its
association
with
with
mr
bosley.
I'm
also,
you
know
not
convinced
that
mr
bosley
was
actually
that
important
and
it
seems
that
the
you
know.
O
D
Reading,
through
all
of
the
you
know
the
letters
of
support
for
this,
it
seemed
that
the
primary
interest
and
concern
was
with
the
the
grounds
and
the
setting
more
so
than
the
building
itself,
and
I
think
there
may
be
you
know
other
avenues
for
the
community
to
pursue.
For
that.
So
you
know,
unfortunately,
the
landmarks
preservation
commission
can
really
only
look
at
this.
As
a
landmark,
we
are
not
a
land
preservation,
commission.
We
are
a
landmarks
preservation
commission
and
do
have
to
follow
the
criterias
of
that.
You
know
this.
D
This
building
has
been
changed
so
much
it.
You
know
it's
unfortunate
for
the
neighborhood
that
it
was
marketed
as
a
you
know:
southland
hills.
You
know
one
of
these.
You
know
1920s
restrictive
covenant.
You
know
streetcar
suburbs
as
having
this
colonial
mansion
in
the
center
of
it
a
mansion
on
the
hill,
which
was,
in
fact
you
know
not
a
colonial
mansion.
It
was
it's
been
altered
too
much
so
that
I,
I
kind
of
feel
like
southland
hills
as
a
community
has
been
kind
of
sold
this
false
idea,
and
that
that
is
unfortunate.
D
It
is
a
lovely
you
know,
parkland
setting
in
the
middle
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
or
at
one
point
was
when
it
wasn't
overgrown,
but
you
know
I
would
encourage
those
who
are
who
are
interested
in.
You
know
the
land
preservation
aspects
to
pursue
other
other
avenues.
For
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
You
thank
you
for
those
comments.
Phoebe.
Those
are
very
much
in
tune
with,
without
what
I've
heard
as
well,
that
the
community
may
be
well
served
to
have
some
conversation
with
reckon
parks
or
other
land
preservation
possibilities,
but
hearing
that
we
need
an
actual
motion,
I'm
happy
to
make
that
motion.
H
H
E
Our
yeah,
I
think.
A
B
Yes,
thank
you,
scott.
F
B
B
E
C
B
C
L
B
Yes,
yes,
agenda.
Item
number
six:
this
is
the
bracado
property
at
210
morris
avenue
in
lutherville.
It's
a
non-contributing
structure
in
the
lutherville
county,
historic
district
and
the
proposal
is
the
construction
of
a
10
foot
round.
Irregular
blue
stone
patio
with
a
two
foot
tall
retaining
wall
on
the
right
side
of
the
driveway.
The
homeowners
are
proposing
to
construct
this
patio
in
the
front
yard
of
their
property
in
lutherville.
A
lot
at
210
morris
avenue
is
approximately
230
feet
deep
and
the
front
facade
sits
approximately
155
feet
back
due
to
this.
B
B
Staff's
recommendation,
though,
is
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
expenses
and
landscape,
page
four
and
county
code,
section
327
403
and
I
do
have
some
written
testimony
from
the
property
owner.
So
I'm
just
going
to
read
that
really
quickly.
Holly
burcado
the
property
owner
said.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify.
The
historical
integrity
of
our
neighborhood
is
important
to
my
husband
russell
and
I,
and
we
are
committed
to
upholding
the
committee
standards
with
our
proposed
patio
project.
B
Our
home
210
morris
avenue
is
situated
at
the
very
back
end
of
our
property
line,
leaving
little
to
no
room
for
a
patio
in
the
back.
We
intend
to
build
a
round
10
foot
patio
and
retaining
wall
using
irregular
flagstone
to
match
our
home
foams
existing
masonry
work.
The
patio
will
essentially
be
hidden
by
any
existing
landscaping.
We
take
pride
in
our
home
and
neighborhood
and
can
assure
you
that
this
small
project
will
not
affect
the
historical
integrity
of
either.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Holly
bergano.
C
Bob
I'll
jump
in
this
is
rob,
but
well
I
want
to
confirm:
there's
no
pool
involved
in
this
proposal
right
no.
C
Fire,
I
I
would
think
they
would
not
use
this
much
because
so
far
from
the
house,
in
addition
to
it
being
in
in
the
front
yard
near
the
street.
So
I
would
advocate,
agree
with
staff
advocate
to
move
it
closer
to
the
house
and
perhaps
in
a
secondary
location.
A
C
A
Any
other
comments
on
it,
any
other
issues
with
how
it's
delayed
where
it
is
or
how
it's
laid
out.
There
may
be
issues
in
our
minds
with
it
being
far
away,
but
others
may
find
it
that
it
it
works
better
for
them.
For
some
reason,
there
are
a
fair
number
of
trees
in
that
area
and
some
protection,
but
I
I
can't
address
that.
L
A
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
hearing,
no
discussion
taylor.
Would
you
like
to
do
a
roll
call.
F
E
L
B
B
C
B
A
K
Yeah
I
was
looking
at
the.
I
was
going
back
and
forth
in
the
photos
and
I
was
looking
and
I
was
trying
to
establish
where
it
is
from
the
road,
and
I
see
it
looks
like
if
I'm,
if
I'm
looking
at
this
right,
the
one
photo
looks
like
if
you're
coming
down
the
road
as
soon
as
a
road
coming
right
where
their
driveway
is.
You
might
see
it
at
one
point,
but
then
at
some
point
the
trees
might
obscure
it
a
little
bit.
I
don't
know.
I
can't
tell.
B
Correct
caitlin,
can
you
go
back
to
the
the
photos
so
the
photo
on
the
bottom
row,
the
second
one
over
the
yellow
extras,
the
proposed
location.
B
Yes,
so
it's
possible
that
if
you
were
coming
down
morris
that
you
would
would
not
see
it,
but
that
if
you
were
coming
up
at
you,
possibly
okay.
B
And
with
that,
if
there's
no
further
discussion
that
motion
does
pass
so
we
will
continue
right
along
because
we
do
still
have
a
lot
to
get
through.
A
B
Agenda
item
number
eight:
this
is
the
bub
nash
property
at
14
shots
worth
avenue
in
glendon.
This
is
a
contributing
structure
in
the
glendon
county,
historic
district
myth
number
ba
737.
The
proposal
is
the
replacement
of
three
entry
doors
and
the
replacement
of
five
windows
on
the
rear
edition.
The
homeowners
are
seeking
approval
for
the
replacement
of
the
front
side
and
rear
entry
doors
and
five
windows.
B
The
existing
front
door
is
a
painted
steel
panel
door
with
side
lights
on
either
side.
The
homeowners
are
proposing
to
replace
the
door
with
a
fiberglass
door
with
a
half
moon
light
at
the
top
and
side
lights
on
either
side
staff
recommends
the
half
moon
light
at
the
top
of
the
door
be
omitted,
so
the
new
door
matches
the
existing
door
and
design
the
side
and
rear
doors
are
both
painted
wood
and
located
on
a
1970s
non-historic
edition.
B
They
are
both
partially
glazed,
with
four
four
lights
at
the
top
and
are
a
panel
style
on
the
bottom.
The
homeowners
are
proposing
to
replace
both
doors
with
fiberglass
half
glazed
with
an
internal
nine
light
grid
pattern,
because
the
proposed
doors
will
not
be
highly
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
are
on
a
non-historic
addition.
Staff
recommends
approval
as
proposed.
The
second
proposal
is
the
replacement
of
five
windows
on
the
1970s
non-historic
rear
edition.
Four
of
the
existing
windows
are
in
a
continuous
grouping
or
ribbon.
The
fifth
is
a
laundry
room
window.
B
All
of
the
windows
are
wood,
one
over
one
sashes
with
removable
storms
all
proposed
replacements
will
be
pillow,
wood,
clad
windows,
the
ribbon
of
four
will
be
casement
windows
and
the
single
laundry
room
window
will
be
a
double
hung
window,
while
staff
typically
warns
against
the
replacement
of
wood
windows
with
wood
cloud
replacements.
These
windows
are
not
historic
or
original
and
will
not
be
visible
from
the
public
random
way.
So
staff
is
accepting
of
the
proposal.
A
Are
there
any?
Is
anyone
here
to
speak
for
the
owner.
I
J
C
I
would
motion
that
we
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
replacement
of
the
front
entry
door
with
the
condition
the
half
moon
light
be
omitted,
so
the
replacement
door
match
the
existing
in
design
issue,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
replacement
of
the
side
and
rear
entry
doors
as
proposed
and
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
five
window
replacements,
as
proposed.
B
Like
everyone
wanted
to
accept
it,
we'll
take
wendy's,
just
because
I
heard
her
a
little
louder
than
you
steve.
She
be
too.
J
J
So
that's
the
reason
why
to
keep
it
the
same
as
what's
existing.
B
Yes,
scott.
F
R
B
R
B
B
Alrighty
continuing
right
along,
we
have
agenda
item
number
nine.
This
is
the
brooks
property
at
3609
blackstone
road
in
fieldstone.
It's
an
infill
construction
in
the
fieldstone
county,
historic
district,
and
the
proposal
is
the
ex
post
facto
approval
of
amended
elevation
drawings
due
to
field
modifications,
the
installation
of
an
eight
foot
tall
privacy
screen
along
the
rear
property
line
and
the
construction
of
an
18
by
12
wooden
deck.
B
This
is
an
info
construction
that
was
originally
approved
by
the
commission
in
february
of
2020,
with
an
amendment
approved
in
june
of
2020.,
the
current
home
does
not
match
the
approved
plans
and
the
homeowner
cited
difficulty
getting
supplies
over
the
covet
19
pandemic.
As
to
why
the
homeowner
also
noted
that
he
was
not
aware
of
the
changes
needing
lpc
review
as
the
materials
used
were
in
keeping
with
what
was
originally
approved.
B
Field
modifications
include
changes
in
the
windows
from
an
approved
six
over
six
to
a
installed
two
over
two
emission
of
cable
vents
changes
in
the
siding
replacement
of
windows
on
the
rear
edition,
with
sliding
glass
doors.
I'm
sorry
rear,
facade,
not
addition,
and
additional
lighting
on
the
rear.
Facade
staff
has
no
issues
with
the
changes
in
the
shingles
style
on
the
left
and
right
side.
B
Gable
ends
the
omission
of
the
gable
vents
and
or
the
addition
of
the
two
extra
sliding
glass
doors
on
the
rear
and
associated
light
fixtures
and
recommends
approval
for
these
changes
as
completed
regarding
the
siding
changes,
the
front
facade
has
three
different
styles
of
siding,
which
looks
very
out
of
place
and
like
an
error
and
the
change
in
the
gable
details
from
shingles
to
the
half.
Timbering
is
not
appropriate
for
homes
for
the
home
and
the
character
of
fieldstone,
which
is
composed
of
early
20th,
colonial
revival,
cottages
and
cottage
styles,
not
late.
B
19Th
century
victorian
houses
staff
would
like
to
see
the
half
timbering,
cable,
detail,
removed
and
shingles
installed
to
keep
the
design
consistent
with
keeping
the
shingles
as
a
cable
detail.
Staff
recommends
the
removal
of
the
shingles
installed
on
the
second
floor
of
the
front
and
installing
a
hearty
plank,
as
was
originally
proposed
there.
Regarding
the
window
changes,
the
two
over
two
windows
are
not
appropriate
or
consistent
with
the
overall
historic
district
staff
recommends
they
be
removed
and
the
original
six
over
six
windows
be
installed.
B
The
second
work
item
is
the
installation
of
an
eight-foot
wooden
fence
at
the
rear
property
line
to
serve
as
a
privacy
screening
between
3609
blackstone
road
and
the
rear
neighbors
at
3606
joni
brook
road,
baltimore
county
zoning
regulations
state
that
no
residential
fence
may
see
six
feet
in
the
side
of
your
yards
of
the
property,
and
if
there,
if
there
is
a
setback
of
two
feet
for
every
vertical
foot
over
six
feet,
the
maximum
height
may
not
exceed
10
feet
in
the
side
of
your
yards.
The
homeowner
understands
that.
B
Although
staff
could
not
find
past
examples
of
an
eight
foot
tall
privacy
screening
being
approved
in
any
county
historic
district,
we
are
accepting
of
the
proposal
for
the
following
reasons:
one
it's
proposed
to
be
on
the
rear
property
line,
not
in
closing
the
entire
yard.
Two,
it's
in
a
rare
location,
not
highly
visible
from
the
public,
right-of-way
and
three
fences
are
semi-permanent
features
that
can
be
removed
in
the
future.
B
This
is
with
the
note
that,
should
the
homeowner
wish
to
include
the
enclosed,
the
remaining
portion
of
the
backyard
in
the
future
staff
would
expect
the
proposal
to
meet
our
historic
design
guidelines
and
an
eight-foot
fence
would
not
be
appropriate
to
enclose
the
entire
backyard.
The
final
work
item
involves
the
construction
of
an
18
by
10
deck
off
the
rear
of
the
home.
B
The
deck
will
be
all
wood
with
wooden
handrails
and
a
wooden
top
rail
staff
recommends
approval,
as
proposed
as
the
deck
is
all
wood
and
will
not
be
visible
from
the
public
right
of
way.
Staff's
recommendations
are
to
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
left
right
and
rear
elevations,
as
completed
with
the
exception
of
the
windows
vote
to
not
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
a
notice
to
proceed
for
the
siding
alterations
on
the
front
elevation
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
removal
of
the
front
gable.
B
With
the
understanding
that
zoning
requirements
may
determine
the
final
placement
and
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
deck
is
proposed.
All
this
is
citing
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
additions
and
infill
pages,
47
fences
and
landscape
pages
one
and
three
and
county
code,
section
32743.
J
T
Hello
good
afternoon,
good
evening:
yes,
this
is
a
difficult
time
for
me.
You
know
my
family
and
I
have
been
building
this
this
house
for
over
a
year
now
and
covet
smacked
us
which
has
thrown
us
into
a
major
financial
dilemma.
As
you
can
imagine,
everything
that
we've
done
to
this
property
has
been
to
try
to
appeal
to
the
historic.
You
know:
community,
our
neighbors,
everybody
who
comes
by
they
love
it.
You
know
we
love
it.
T
T
Everything
was
bought
out
by
big
builders,
who,
I
guess,
seen
everything
coming,
and
they
just
had
the
finances
to
house
stuff
when
it
came
to
doing
the
shaker
style,
we
literally
could
not
get
enough
material
to
do
the
the
horizontal,
oh
it's
horizontal
hardy,
so
what
we
had
to
do
was
take
the
the
shaker
which
was
going
to
go
to
the
gable
and
make
that
work
so
that
we
would
have
enough
to
get
the
house
complete.
So
we
didn't
have
any
further
damage
on
with
the
elements
you
know
the
there's.
T
Nothing
that
I
I
mean
I
I
don't
have
any
more
resources,
these
with
the
windows.
I
mean
these
windows
cost
me
over
twenty
thousand
dollars.
I
I
I
don't
know
what
to
do.
You
know
I've
spoken
spoken,
you
know
with
miss
bensley
regarding
the
limiter
and
a
lot
of
the
things
had
to
been
made
on
field.
Nothing
is
done
been
done
maliciously
we
just
want.
I
want
to
get
my
family
in
this
home
and
again
like
we,
we
love
it.
We
think
it
it.
T
It
fits
very
well
all
of
our
neighbors,
you
know
absolutely
love
the
home
and
they're
constantly
stopped
by
I
mean
I,
I
think
it's
a
really
really
good
fit
and
I've
done
the
best.
I
can
and
I've
completely
tapped
out
of
all
resources
on
this
project.
J
We
didn't
know
if
they
were
snap
in
or
if
they
were
individually
divided
lights.
That's
why
we
made
both
those
suggestions.
C
T
Can
okay
guys
hear
me
yeah?
Okay,
all
right,
so
this
is
a.
This
is
a
first
for
me.
I
never
even
knew
anything
about
this
historic.
You
know
preservation
so
like
I'm
literally,
mrs
brinsley
holds
my
hand
through
this
whole
process.
T
You
know
I
did
not
know
that
it
was
going
to
be
the
this
issue.
You
know
if,
if
I
did,
I
definitely
would
have
said
something
you
know
I.
I
thought
it
was
the
material
and
I
made
sure
that
material
was
still
fine,
that
we
that
were
utilized
and
so
when
she
brought
it
to
my
attention.
You
know
I
was
very
you
know
apologetic.
I
did
not.
You
know
like.
T
I
said
this
wasn't
a
malicious
thing
that
I
intended
to
do,
and
I
was
quickly
you
know,
hopped
on
board
to
get
everything
over
to
you
guys.
You
know
it
we're
really
stuck
in
a
hard
place.
You
know
every
time
we
call
it
every
vendor
to
get
this.
We
don't
have
it.
We
don't
know
when
we're
going
to
have
it.
This
is
all
we
have.
I.
A
I
A
I
A
T
No,
I
I
knew
it
was
in
a
historic
district.
I
didn't
I
didn't.
I
wasn't
familiar
with
the
infield
process,
so
when
it
came
to
the
when
it
came
to
the
windows,
we
couldn't
get
the
windows
that
were
on
the
plan.
They
told
me
this
is
what
they
had
and
I
said
the
material
the
correct
material
said.
Yes,
it
is
they've
done
this
with
historic
communities.
You
know
all
the
time
and
it
should
have
no
issues
working.
So
we
that's.
This
is
what
we,
what
we
got
a
neighbor
across
the
street.
T
Has
you
know
the
black
windows
as
well,
and
so
it
it
fits.
So
I
didn't
think
that
that
was.
I
didn't
think
that
that
was
an
issue
I
mean
this
is
the
first.
This
is
the
first
time
you're
building,
you
know
a
house,
so
it's
to
end
inhabit
in
this
infield
process.
H
I
know
but
didn't
when
you
bought
the
land
didn't
weren't,
you
told
where
it
was.
I
mean,
then
the
rules
well.
B
Real
quick,
I
think
the
the
miscommunication
was
that
mr
brooks
was
under
the
impression
that,
because
the
windows
were
the
same
material,
he
was
using
the
same
material.
It
was
just
a
different
design.
He
was
under
the
impression
that
that
was
why
it
was
okay.
There
was
just
a
change
in
the
design
of
the
windows
that
they
were
going
from
the
two
over
two
to
this
or.
B
Six,
the
two
over
two,
so
he
didn't
think
that
it
would
matter
it
wasn't
that
he
didn't
know
it
was.
There
was
a
miscommunication
on
what
needs
to
come
in
for
review
and
what
doesn't,
I
think,
that's
kind
of
more
of
what
it
was
than
the
fact
that
he
didn't
know
it
was
in
a
historic
district.
As
ed
said,
he
has
been
before
us
twice
saying
that
either
way
or
the
other
just
putting
that
out
there,
so
that
everyone's
on
the
same
page.
A
T
The
amendments
that
were
made
were
just
the
fir
the
first
time
we
were
there.
You
guys
approved
it
with
conditions
of,
I
guess
with
conditions.
So
I
did
exactly
what
you
guys
told
me
to
do.
A
Okay,
well,
let's,
let's
continue
on
any.
Are
there
any
other
comments
or
questions?
Do
we
have
a
motion.
B
Yes,
scott.
F
B
I
B
L
B
L
A
B
Okay,
so
that
motion
does
carry
gary
I'll,
be
in
touch
via
email
tomorrow
and
we
can
chat
over
what
all
of
this
means
and
where
we
go
from
here.
Y
A
B
B
Yes,
agenda.
Item
number
11:
this
is
the
deluca
property
at
212,
west
seminary
avenue
in
lutherville.
It's
a
contributing
structure
in
the
lutherville
county,
historic
district,
myth
number,
ba
323
and
the
proposals.
The
construction
of
a
one
story,
edition
off
the
rear
of
the
home.
The
homeowners
are
seeking
approval
for
the
construction
of
one
story
edition.
The
existing
home
is
two
stories
with
wood,
shingle
siding
the
addition
is
proposed
to
be
one
story
and
approximately
20
feet
long
with
wood
cedar.
B
She
siding
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof
with
metal,
gutters
wood,
two
over
two
windows
and
a
full
glass
patio
door.
The
patio
door
will
lead
to
a
small
wooden
landing
with
steps
leading
down
to
an
existing
patio.
The
size,
massing
and
scale
and
location
of
the
addition
are
all
appropriate.
However,
the
proposed
window
window
style
and
cladding
is
not
distinguishable
from
the
main
house,
while
staff
appreciates
the
homeowner's
intention
on
making
the
addition
cohesive
with
the
existing
dwelling.
B
The
addition
should
not
imitate
the
historic
home
to
differentiate
staff
recommends
using
one
over
one
wood
windows
and
the
use
of
a
different
style
of
cladding,
such
as
either
a
horizontal
siding
use
using
a
hardy
plank
or
similar
material
with
a
vertical
trim.
Slash
transitional
piece
where
the
addition
meets
the
mean
house
as
a
way
to
separate
and
differentiate
or
be
synthetic
shake
shingles
like
a
hearty
material
with
a
vertical
trim.
B
Transitional
piece
where
the
addition
meets
the
main
house
as
a
way
to
separate
and
differentiate
staff,
encourages
the
commission
to
discuss
both
options
as
well
as
the
proposal,
as
is
as
a
note
on
september,
8th.
The
lutherville
advised
trade
committee
submitted
a
letter
in
opposition
to
the
proposal
and
it
is
included
in
the
meeting
materials.
B
Staff's
recommendation
is
to
vote
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
the
condition
the
addition
be
with
the
condition
the
addition
have
one
over
one
would
windows
and
the
siding
be
wood
or
hardy
plank,
horizontal
siding,
citing
baltimore
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
additions
and
info
pages.
Two
through
four
and
county
code,
section
327-403.
A
Thank
you,
andy
just
is
anyone
here
from
the
owner.
Z
No
that
I'm
actually
fine
with
those
recommendations
and
changes
for
the
one
over
one.
I
was
when
we
did
the
architectural
details
we
just
tried
to.
You
know
imitate
what
was
existing
to
the
house
if
they
think
that
or
you
all
think
that
one
over
one
windows
are
more
appropriate.
That's
fine,
as
well
as
a
different
siding
material,
vertical
siding
material.
That
would
be
fine
with
us
as
well.
A
I
have
one
other
suggestion
and
that's
maybe,
instead
of
changing
materials
is
to
move
the
wall
of
the
building
back,
so
it
doesn't
align
with
the
wall
of
the
house.
So
if
it
were
four
inches
back
it
would
there
would
be
a
little
bit
of
a
break
between
the
two
two
materials.
A
That's
fine
as
well
any
other.
Let's,
let's
open
it
up
for
comments
and
and
questions
from
the
commissioners.
I
Sir
homeowner
have
you:
is
this
the
work
of
an
architect
or
I'm
noticing
that
your
roof
side
elevation
and
frontal,
or
I
guess,
rear
elevation?
The
geometries
don't
really
work
and
you've
also
shown
shingles
down
to
grade,
which
would
be
in
violation
of
building
code.
You
have
to
have
separation
between
wood
structure
and
earth.
So
I
just
if.
Z
Yeah,
the
existing
porches
that
are
on
the
house,
the
front
porch
and
the
side
screen
porch.
They
actually
have
a
wood
lattice
at
the
bottom
of
both
of
those
porches
in
different
in
different
heights,
and
that's
how
this
would
be
finished
as
well
to.
A
C
Yeah,
I
would
this
is
rob
I
would
suggest
you
may
want
to
do
a
crawl
space
it'll
be
a
tough
room
to
condition
over
the
seasons.
I
think
there's
something
going
on
with
the
scale
here.
It
almost
looks
like
you
have
to
duck
to
go
into
the
addition.
It
seems
a
little
small
like
a
a
quarter
quarter
smaller
than
it
should
be.
C
G
C
As
shown
it
would
go
further,
the
ridge
would
be
further
back
and
you
then
you
may
want
to
raise
it
a
bit.
So
it
looks
like
it
could
use
a
little
bit
of
adjustment.
Okay
on
the
design
side.
Z
A
D
So
if,
if
the
drawings,
you
know
what's
going
to
be
built,
isn't
going
to
match
these
drawings,
are
we
even
able
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
issue?
You
know
to
proceed
or
do
we
need
to
have
this
come
back
with
the
you
know,
drawings?
What's
actually
going
to
be
be
built,
I
mean
I
know
there
have
been
other
cases
in
the
in
the
past
where
something's
come
before
us,
because
it
didn't
match
the
what
was
built
with
what
the
drawings
were
submitted.
A
Yeah,
I
think
we
could
have
staff
look
at
it
and
if
there's
any,
if
staff
doesn't
feel
comfortable
with,
what's
being
shown,
I
think
we
could
you
know
you
could
we
could
bring
it
back,
but
otherwise
maybe
staff
could
review
it.
So
you
don't
have
to
come
back
again.
C
I
I
will
note
that
the
lutherville
commission
did
not
approve
this
is
submitted
and
their
consultant
jeffrey,
lee's,
architect,
jeffrey
lee's,
at
a
list
of
recommendations,
all
of
which,
I
think
we're
good
ones.
A
So
maybe
look
at
those
recommendations
and
and
make
some
modifications
to
this,
and
maybe
you
shouldn't
come
back.
Z
B
Just
to
jump
in
if
we
were
to
table
this
application
as
proposed,
you
would
be
reviewing
these
exact
drawings.
If
you
would
like
new
drawings
for
mr
debuca,
it
will
have
to
be
denied
to
answer
phoebe's
question
earlier
of.
Does
this
have
to
come
back
or
staff
approving
it?
You
guys
also
have
the
option
to
defer
to
chair
and
vice
chair,
I'm
totally
up
to
you.
If
that's
what
you
choose
to
do,
but
that
option
is
on
the
table
as
well.
M
I
I
make
a
motion
to
reject
it
for
resubmission
next
month
with
better
drawings.
F
B
B
E
L
B
K
K
C
B
So
that
carries
mr
jaluka
I'll
be
in
touch
via
email
tomorrow,
and
then
you
can
resubmit
for
the
october
meeting,
which
I'll
provide
information
on
in
my
email.
B
Thanks
agenda
item
number
12
is
the
taishevek
property.
I
apologize
that
I
said
that
wrong
at
322
central
avenue
in
glendon.
It's
a
contributing
structure
in
the
glendon
county,
historic
district,
myth
number
ba
799.
The
proposal
is
ex-post
facto
approval
for
the
replacement
of
original
wood
and
wood,
clad
windows
with
vinyl
replacements.
B
The
homeowners
are
seeking
approval
for
the
removal
of
original
two
over
two
windows
and
the
installation
of
one
over
one
vinyl
replacements.
The
current
property
owners
purchased
the
home
in
june
of
2020
and
were
aware
of
the
county.
Historic
district
designation.
The
home
has
a
1900
full
victorian
with
some
queen
and
details.
There's
a
narrative
of
the
original
windows
and
the
conditions
that
they
were
in.
However,
no
close
up
or
detailed
photographs
have
been
submitted
to
demonstrate
the
conditions
based
on
photographs
from
the
real
estate
listing.
B
It
appears
that
the
majority
of
the
windows
on
the
main
historic
block
of
the
house
were
original
two
over
two
wood
sashes.
The
later
enclosure
on
the
side
of
the
front.
Porch
also
exhibit
also
exhibits.
Wood
two
over
two
sashes,
the
rear,
non-historic
kitchen
edition,
had
casement
windows,
most
likely
vinyl
or
aluminum
the
side
bay
window
that
faces
albright
avenue
had
wood
one
of
wood,
one
over
one
sashes.
B
Clad
windows
staff
recommends
that
the
vinyl
replacement
windows
on
the
main
historic
block
of
the
house
be
removed
and
new
2
over
2
with
true
divided
or
simulated
divided
light.
Would
windows
be
installed
back
where
they
originally
existed.
Additionally,
one
over
one
wood
windows
be
installed
back
in
the
bay
window
and
third
floor.
Dormer
staff
recommends
approval
for
the
alterations
and
replacements
made
on
the
rear,
non-historic
kitchen
edition
be
accepted
as
completed
since
it's
the
rare
edition
and
not
historic.
The
different
window,
style
and
materials
are
a
way
to
differentiate.
B
Three
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
installation
of
one
over
one
wood
windows
in
the
bay
window
and
third
floor
dormer.
In
order
to
rectify
the
issue
and
four
issue:
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
alterations
and
replacements
made
on
the
rear,
non-historic
kitchen
edition
as
completed.
This
is
all
citing
baltimore
county,
historic
design,
guidelines,
windows
and
doors
pages.
Two
and
six
and
counting
code,
section,
327,
403
and
327.405.
AA
Yes,
I
have
a
question
about.
There
was
a
comment
about
a
dormer.
AA
L
J
Staff
just
provided
recommendations.
The
commission
does
not
have
to
follow
them
based
on
their
discussion,
so
that
that
could
be
something
that
they
can
consider.
A
All
right,
any,
let's
open
it
up
for
discussion.
C
Well
I'll
say
it's:
this
is
rob
brennan.
It's
unfortunate
that
you
removed
all
these
windows.
O
C
You
moved
to
glendon
recently
because
you
most
likely
love
the
neighborhood
and
part
of
the
reason
for
that
is
because
it's
a
baltimore
county,
specifically
a
baltimore
county,
historic
district,
which
is
a
highly
restrictive,
historic
district.
The
advantage
there
is
that
it
encourages
people
to
maintain
their
houses
as
they
were,
built
and.
Y
C
C
You
did
choose
to
save
one
window
which
was
unique
to
the
house,
but
all
the
all
the
windows
were
unique
to
the
house.
D
AA
D
F
K
B
K
L
H
B
A
B
Moving
along,
we
have
agenda
item
number
13..
This
is
the
bear
property
at
4607
prospect
avenue
in
glendon.
It's
a
non-contributing
structure
in
the
glendon
county,
historic
district
and
the
proposal
is
the
removal
of
one
car
garage
bay
edition
that
is
encroaching
on
a
neighbor's
property
following
an
opinion
and
order
from
baltimore
county
board
of
appeals.
B
The
property
owner
is
seeking
approval
to
remove
an
illegally
constructed
one
car
bay
edition
on
an
existing
garage
following
a
june
7
2021
opinion
and
order
from
board
of
appeals
in
2014,
the
property
owner
purchased
the
home
and
in
2017
added
on
to
the
front
of
the
home
for
a
master
suite
out
of
the
second
garage
removed,
an
existing
fence
and
constructed
a
new
fence.
The
work
was
completed
without
lpc
review
or
proper
building
permits.
B
The
second
garage
extended
several
feet
onto
the
property
at
4605
prospect
avenue
and
the
replacement
fence
extended
onto
the
property
at
46.09
4609
prospect
avenue.
The
situation
has
been
an
ongoing
dispute
amongst
the
neighbors
since
and
has
been
before
the
lpc,
the
administrative
law,
judge
and
board
of
appeals.
The
homeowners
were
proposing
to
remove
the
one
bay
on
the
left
side
and
restoring
the
garage
to
its
previous
condition.
B
The
left
side
of
the
garage
will
have
two
windows
to
match
the
original
facade
and
the
garage
will
be
resided
with
salvage
siding
from
the
remove
portion.
Any
roof
work
will
be
completed
in
kind.
In
addition
to
the
removal
of
the
bay,
the
homeowner
would
like
to
cut
the
parking
pad
down
by
two
and
a
half
feet,
so
it
does
not
encroach
on
the
neighboring
property
and
would
like
to
install
a
black
metal
railing
along
the
edge
of
the
parking
pad
for
safety.
B
This
work
will
restore
the
portion
of
the
home
to
its
original
appearance
and
will
address
the
opinion
in
an
order
from
board
of
appeals,
because
all
work
will
be
completed
in
kind
to
match.
The
original,
and
the
removal
of
the
edition
does
not
adversely
impact
the
district
staff
is
accepting
of
the
proposal
and
recommends
approval.
As
a
note,
the
commission
is
not
responsible
for
reviewing
zoning
issues
and
or
the
board
of
appeals,
opinion
and
order.
The
commission
is
only
tasked
with
confirming
that
the
removal
of
this
one-day
addition
meets
the
design
guidelines.
A
This
is
blair,
do
you
have
any
comments
or
statements
you'd
like
to
make.
A
Hearing
none
any
discussion.
B
Sorry
before
we
go
into
discussion,
I'm
going
to
read
the
written
testimony
received.
This
is
from
the
property
owners
at
4605
prospect
avenue.
It
says
good
evening
we
are
steve
and
patty
fradkin.
We
reside
at
4605
prospect
avenue
next
door
to
the
bears.
We
are
concerned
that
the
work
required
by
the
court
decision
is
going
to
be
done
improperly
or
we
are
concerned
that
the
work
required
is
not
going
to
be
done
properly
and
by
licensed
and
bonding
contractors.
We
want
to
remind
you.
B
We
are
here
because
of
the
proper
procedures
were
followed
in
the
first
place,
no
permits
no
licensed
contractors.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
clear
that
all
of
the
garage,
including
the
pad
and
complete
foundation
on
all
added
driveway
and
all
the
air
conditioning
pads,
are
removed
for
the
court
order.
These
items
are
an
encroachment
on
our
property.
The
setback
is
found
within
nine
and
a
half
feet.
The
garage
foundation,
an
additional
pad
and
ac
unit
are
all
part
of
the
construction
that
was
that
created
the
trespass.
B
The
property
structure
is
to
return
back
to
the
wall
of
the
original
single
vehicle
garage.
The
topography
is
to
be
returned
to
its
pre-conduction
condition.
Equitable
relief
restore
the
property
as
it
was
prior
to
the
violation.
Failure
to
comply
is
a
good
enforcement
citation.
We
know
our
neighbors,
we
know
how
they
operate.
Should
the
bears
request
any
type
of
addition.
B
They
can
go
through
the
proper
channels
as
every
responsible
citizen
of
glendon
does
they
can
get
the
license
and
permits
to
go
through
the
process,
as
we
do
attached
to
the
photos
which
are
included
in
the
slideshow
of
the
property
front
prior
to
construction
and
post
construction.
B
Regards
steven
patty
bradkin.
As
a
note
just
a
reminder,
we
are
not
commenting
on
actual
issues
if
there
are
issues
once
the
work
is
completed,
that
is
still
encroaching
on
the
property
next
door
that
will
have
to
be
referred
back
to
code
enforcement
and
the
alj.
That
is
not
the
lpc's
decision.
You
are
only
focusing
on
the
actual
removal
of
the
garage,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you
all
for
discussion.
E
I,
since
I
think
this
is
pretty
clear:
they've
got
to
take
the
garage
down
as
stewart
said
we're.
This
is
outside
of
our
other
than
taking
a
look
at
to
make
sure
they
do
the
job
completely
and
correctly
it's
it's
got
to
come
down.
So
I
move.
We
accept
staff
recommendations.
K
B
K
A
B
B
It's
final,
landmark
number
119
myth
number
ba
99
they're,
seeking
the
replacement
of
an
oriented
strand
board,
plywood
siding
on
the
cupola
with
hardy
panel
stucco
fiber
cement
baltimore
county
public
schools
is
seeking
approval
to
resize
atop
dunbarton
house.
The
cupola
is
located
four
stories
up
and
is
currently
sided
with
plywood
siding
that
requires
maintenance
and
replacement
annually
due
to
wrap
warping
and
weatherproofing
issues.
Interior
photos
of
the
cupola
were
submitted
to
show
the
condition
that
plywood
is
currently
in
in
order
to
avoid
making
these
repairs
and
replacements
on
an
annual
basis.
B
The
property
owners
would
like
to
instead
install
hardy
panel
stucco
fiber
cement
panels
over
plywood.
Shooting
this
combined
with
interior
alterations
to
weatherproof
will
require
less
maintenance
over
the
years.
The
current
plywood
siding
is
not
a
high
quality
or
historic
material,
so
staff
is
accepting
of
the
proposal
as
it
is.
The
cupola
is
not
highly
visible
and
the
commission
has
supported
non-wood
materials
for
koopas
in
the
past.
As
a
note,
this
is
a
county-owned
property,
which
is
why
staff
did
not
add
the
proposal
to
the
consent
agenda.
B
However,
staff
feels
it
is
appropriate
for
approval,
as
proposed
staff,
is
recommending
the
commission
vote
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
citing
baltimore,
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
facade
materials,
page
7
and
county
code,
section
327403.
A
Okay,
any
let's
open
it
up
for
discussion
or
emotion,.
L
What
what
kind
of
plywood
is
on
the
exterior
now.
L
L
A
A
But
I
think
that
the
hardy
material
is
a
better
is
much
much
much
better
than
osb.
Osb
is
just
if
it
gets
wet
it
just
dissolves.
Basically,.
A
B
Yep
scott.
F
B
F
L
B
C
B
C
K
B
H
B
A
B
B
B
As
a
note,
we
are
going
to
turn
things
over
to
sanders
designs
for
a
complete
proposal,
but
staff
recommends
approvals
proposed
the
proposed
alterations
address
the
egress
issues
in
the
most
appropriate
way
possible,
considering
the
various
site
constraints.
The
second
floor
exit
is
located
on
the
rear
of
the
building
and
is
not
very
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
does
not
impact
the
architectural
or
material
integrity
of
the
bank
where
the
front
and
sides
have
the
most
character.
B
The
basement,
stair
utilizes,
an
existing
exit,
the
design
of
the
retaining
wall
and
railings
are
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
bank.
Sas
recommendation
is
to
vote,
tissue's
certificate
of
appropriateness,
saying
baltimore,
county
historic
design,
guidelines,
porches
and
steps
additions
and
infill,
and
the
national
park
service
preservation.
Brief
number
32
on
making
historic
properties
accessible
and
county
code
section
327403.
J
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
unmute
brandon
and
tim
sanders.
AB
Good
afternoon,
everyone
this
is
brandon
and
tim
sanders
is
on
the
call
as
well.
I
know
tim,
you
wanna,
introduce
yourself
real,
quick.
AB
We'll
try
to
make
this
quick.
I
think
that
it
was
a
very
great
description
that
we
got
from
caitlin
and
taylor.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
introduction.
So,
yeah
just
give
you
a
little
context
where
we
are
on
york.
Road
next
slide
up
on
10
914.
The
property
in
particular
has
two
or
three
buildings
on
it.
You've
actually
seen
the
the
garage
building
in
a
previous
iteration
of
this
meeting.
AB
This
is
the
original
site
war.
One
of
the
original
site
plans
that
we
were
able
to
obtain.
AB
Y
I
just
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
that
I
have
ed
the
course
on
this
presentation
via
the
telephone,
so
he
can
hear
us
verbally,
but
not
you
know
visually,
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
ed
you're
there
right.
AB
So
we
were
able
to
pull
up
a
couple
of
historic
photos
from
various
times
in
the
past,
and
you'll
see
that
the
bank
really
hasn't
changed.
Much
from
what
you'll
see
here
in
these
black
and
white
photographs
of
the
main
facade,
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
get
shots
from
the
side,
demonstrating
the
existing
opening
and
access
way
to
the
the
doorway
that
we're
going
to
be
re,
unearthing
or
re-unearthing
next
slide,
please
existing
conditions.
These
were
shot
a
couple
weeks
ago.
As
you
can
see,
the
bank
remains
in
its
very
similar
state.
AB
There
are
a
couple
of
signs
on
the
exterior
that
have
been
approved,
they're
installed
as
approved,
and
then
the
building
json
to
us
is
actually
connected
in
a
sense
to
an
addition
that
was
constructed,
I'm
not
sure
when,
but
much
later
than
the
original
bank
was
constructed
next
side.
Please.
AB
These
are
views
of
the
south
facing
side,
which
is
where
most
of
the
work
will
be
visible
from
you'll
see
it's
directly
not
directly,
but
the
basement
egress
will
be
roughly
underneath
of
the
east
two
windows,
the
one
with
the
air
conditioning
in
it
air
conditioning
unit
and
then
the
rear
egress
out
of
the
second
floor
cross
over
the
top
of
the
rare
edition
and
then
drop
down
to
an
existing
egress
door,
where
we
will
pick
up
the
egress
from
the
first
floor
and
then
get
everyone
down
to
grade
next
slide.
AB
AB
This
is
a
shot
of
the
rear
of
the
building
showing
the
original
edition
and
then
an
addition
that
was
constructed
kind
of
connects
the
two
buildings
and
provides
us
with
that
egress.
We
will
be
replacing
the
the
door
and
the
stair
as
part
of
this
construction,
but
the
rest
of
the
building
will
remain
as
it
is.
AB
More
of
the
the
context
you
can
see
the
shopping
center
next
to
us
as
well
as
this
is
an
older
photo
of
the
the
mercantile
use.
That's
next
to
us
here
proposed
site
plan
showing
the
rear,
stair
coming
down
and
kind
of.
What's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
switchbacking
down
to
grade
and
then
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
You
can
see
the
single
run,
stair,
leading
down
to
the
basement
with
the
retaining
wall.
AB
That's
existing
on
the
building
and
we're
looking
at
a
a
powder
coated,
galvanized
steel
guardrail
at
the
top
of
the
retaining
wall
that
will
match
the
style
of
the
existing
bars
at
the
windows
which
you
saw
on
the
photographs
and
the
stair
at
the
rear
of
the
building,
which
is
kind
of
the
larger
of
the
two
interventions,
will
have
a
new
door
cut
into
the
east
side
on
the
second
floor
and
will
basically
stretch
out
span
over
the
addition
and
be
and
bear
on
the
existing
original
building,
as
well
as
columns
that
are
running
down
to
grade.
AB
And
then
the
stair
will
turn
and
pick
up
that
egress.
That
exits
out
of
the
the
second
edition
that
connects
the
two
buildings
and
then
leads
to
leads
to
grade.
AB
And
I
should
mention
the
materials
there,
they're
noted
on
the
drawings,
but
we
would
be
looking
at
the
same
black
powder
coated,
galvanized
steel
for
all
the
metal
materials
that
we
have
here.
The
door
is
intended
to
match
just
to
be
similar
to
the
original
front
door
with
the
panelized
it'll,
be
penalized,
hollow
metal
and
color
similar
to
some
of
the
photos
that
you
saw
and
that's
the
basic
run
of
it
there.
AB
We
can
take
a
look
at
the
materials
as
we
go
through
and
then
you
can
see
how
minimal
impact
the
the
basement
stair
retaining
wall
and
guard
rail
will
have
on
the
front
of
the
building
and
south
side
of
the
building.
Where,
as
noted,
those
are
the
main
historic
features
of
our
building.
C
I
have
a
question:
this
is
rob
in
some
jurisdictions.
Exterior
fire
stairs
have
to
be
covered
with
a
roof.
Do
you
know,
if
that's
the
case
with
baltimore
county.
AB
That
is
not
the
case
for
baltimore
county
and
in
fact,
we've
already
gone
through
the
building
plans
review
phase
of
this
in
an
effort
to
kind
of
move
things
along
and
then
we're
now
moving
into
the
historic
preservation
phase
to
make
sure
we
select
the
proper
materials
with
with
you
guys
in
mind,.
AB
That
is
confirmed,
and
if
you
flip
to
the
next
one
of
the
next
slides,
please
we
have
the
interior
shot
there
and
you
can
see
now.
This
is
obviously
just
a
photoshop
version
of
it,
but
you
can
see
where
the
window
head
is
and
the
required
heights
would
be
roughly
aligned
with
the
window.
Heads
on
the
interior
and
exterior.
I
My
my
concern
was
that
your
walkway
is
actually
above
the
roof
level.
Right,
so
has
that
been
taken
into
account.
AB
So
what
we're
planning
on
doing-
and
we
have
been
working
with
a
structural
engineer
but
didn't
provide
those
drawings-
is
having
a
12
inch
c
channel
run
out
from
the
base
of
the
building
get
picked
up
by
the
columns,
and
within
that
c
channel
we
will
drop
down
one
step
as
we
continue
out
over
top
of
the
existing
roof
line,
and
this
is
our
field
verified
second
floor
elevation
as
well
as
the
roof
elevation
that
we're
looking
at.
E
I
move,
we
accept,
accept
the
staff
recommendations.
I
I
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
we're
approving
this
for
a
historical
purview,
it's
we
don't
have
purview
over
egress.
This
is
not
our
decision
about
egress,
understood.
AB
F
B
F
R
B
R
K
A
C
I
do
have
one
point
of
clarification:
you
would
mention
that
the
signs
on
the
front
building
and
the
side
of
the
building
had
been
previously
approved
by
landmarks.
J
No
so
they're
they're
not
attached
to
the
building
they're
like
temporary
signs,
temporary.
C
J
Yeah
so
they're
not
like
drilled
into
the
wall.
They
know
that
if
they
have
any
that
are
like
permanent,
they
would
have
to
get
a
sign
permit
anyway,
but
they
are
temporary.
R
G
J
But
they
are
removable.
I
think
they're
attached
to
the
to
the
security
girl
yeah
like
hanging
off
of
them
they're
not
like
drilled
into
anything.
B
B
We
had
three
mhc
and
er
tax
credits
since
our
last
meeting,
the
hisley
property
at
1507
bologna
avenue,
which
you
reviewed
additional
work
for
tonight,
they
had
emergency
approval
for
the
in-kind
replacement
of
the
roof
and
gutters
following
a
home
inspection,
the
frederick
property
at
223
morris
avenue,
also
in
lutherville
they
had
emergency
approval
for
the
income,
repair
and
replacement
of
roof,
gutters
and
wood
siding
following
storm
damage.
B
B
B
There
were
some
alterations
done,
however,
they
had
a
work
approved
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
the
property
was
the
project
was
on
the
consent
agenda
and
all
the
alterations
completed
were
were
approved
via
the
consent
agenda
at
that
meeting,
so
nothing
to
involve
code
enforcement
on
and
the
update
is.
There
is
no
update,
which
is
good
news
and
then,
finally,
next
month
we
will
be
having
a
public
hearing
on
the
nomination
of
the
marvel
lodge
iof
meeting
hall
at
10759
york
road
in
cockeysville
to
the
preliminary
landmarks
list.
B
We
do
not
expect
it
to
be
as
contentious
as
tonight's
meeting
or
for
there
to
be
as
much
public
input,
but
just
so
that
you
have
it
on
your
radar
that
will
be
held
next
month,
and
with
that
that
is
all
I
have
for
you.
E
C
I
I
wanted
to
reiterate
that
as
well
ed.
Thank
you
for
helming
the
longest
meeting
that
I've
written.
O
A
B
I
I
have
to
I
have
to
applaud
you
all
every
single
commissioner
that
started
this
meeting
with
us
is
finishing
it
with
us.
I
am
very
proud
of
you
all
for
that.
So
thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
I
do
know
it
was
a
long
meeting,
but
we
really
appreciate
you
all
hanging
in
there.
A
And
I'd
like
to
thank
caitlyn,
I
thought
the
report
on
the
the
the
first
project
was
just
was
well.
J
Thank
you.
A
majority
of
the
research
was
done
by
terry
and
I
just
like
piggybacked
off
it
and
like
completed
it,
so
she
she
has.
She
did
all
the
you
know:
leg
work
for
the
research
by
going
to
the
archives
and
stuff.
So,
oh.
D
J
D
D
Is
it
possible
when
there
are
updates
that
the
email
can
be
sent
to
the
commissioners
so
that
we
know
to
the
aware
of
those
and
look
at
those
I
mean
I
was
able
to
look
at
them
in
the
course
of
the
meeting,
but
you
know
that
can
be
distracting
sure
just
so
that
we
know
you
know
if
I
reviewed
this,
you
know
it
took
me
a
couple
days
to
review
all
this
stuff
and
I
budgeted
time
for
that.
But
if
there
are
updates,
it's
helpful
to
to
be.
W
J
Is
the
first
time
we
have
had
this?
I
guess
virtually
with
a
lot
of
testimony,
so
obviously
we
get
to
learn
from
the
next
time.