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A
Thank
you
marcia.
Can
you,
can
you
make
those
changes
to
the
minutes.
E
Yes,
I
can,
I
missed
the
first
one,
but
I
can
get
it
off
of
the
recording.
Okay.
G
A
A
A
D
Specifically,
the
water
system,
the
the
department
of
public
works
and
transportation
is
looking
to
create
a
new
water
main
in
ebenezer
road,
which
would
allow
us
to
loop
the
system.
If
it
was
ever
a
a
break,
we
would
still
be
able
to
see
the
significant
part
of
this
peninsula.
J
I
have
a
question
as
I
understand
it,
the
council,
woman
bevans
had
formed
their
committee
to
look
at
this
area
and
they
were
supposed
to
be
issuing
a
report
of
some
sort.
Has
that
been
completed
yet.
D
I
don't
have
any
knowledge
on
that,
I'm
not
sure
if
anybody
else
on
the
on
the
call
does.
C
That
go
ahead.
I'm
sorry,
mr
erin,
all
I
know
is
that
the
councilwoman
supports
this
project
100
and
I've
spoken
with
her
about
this
and
she's
behind
the
project.
B
Thank
you,
mr
hartman,
to
your
question.
The
committee
has
not
finished
its
work
and
made
any
recommendation
back
to
the
councilwoman.
Yet,
okay.
A
A
G
A
Okay,
so
do
you
want
to
re-frame
your
rephrase,
your
motion,
todd.
G
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
water
and
sewer
plan
with
option
b
in
it.
L
A
Motion
passes.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Next,
next
on
the
agenda,
there
will
be
a
presentation
from
the
department
of
planning
staff
led
by
community
planner
western
sector.
Mr
william
zamanski
on
the
pikesville
commercial
revitalization
action
plan.
Mr
zavansky
has
after
he's
finished
his
induct
introduction.
I
will
call
for
a
separate
motion
to
set
a
public
hearing
on
the
subject
matter.
M
M
Just
real
quick
I'd
also
like
to
thank
director
lafferty
for
being
here
and
for
his
support
over
the
past
several
months
and
a
special
thanks
to
deputy
director
mante
for
her
support
throughout
the
several
years,
working
with
pikesville,
as
well
as
dennis
wertz,
who
is
now
happily
retired,
and
all
the
other
planning
staff
that
have
assisted
throughout
this
process
and,
of
course,
a
big
thank
you
to
the
pikesville
community
and
the
pikesville
chamber
of
commerce.
M
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
snapshot
of
the
timeline
that
we've
been
working
through
over
the
past
about
five
years
now,
starting
in
april
of
2017
you'll
see,
we
began
a
pikesville
commercial
revitalization
study.
This
timeline
really
just
shows
some
of
the
key
items
that
have
occurred
throughout
these
past
several
years,
leading
up
to
today.
M
So
you
can
see
that
there's
been
quite
extensive
background
and
research
and
analysis
of
the
pixel
area,
as
well
as
several
rounds
of
community
and
stakeholder
input,
as
well
as
publishing
the
pikesville
study,
community
workshops
and
more
input
and
surveys
and
so
forth.
So
now,
here
we
are
august
of
or
excuse
me
september
of
2021,
now
getting
the.
M
I
wanted
to
cover
some
of
the
commercial
revitalization
programs
that
are
available
in
pikesville
that
the
action
plan
does
seek
to
try
to
take
more
advantage
of.
So
here
are
some
of
the
major
revitalizations
that
the
pikesville
commercial
revitalization
can
and
has
taken
advantage
of.
M
You
can
see
that
there
is
the
commercial
revitalization
is
within
the
bread
boundary
that
you'll
see
on
the
map.
The
purple
area
is
what's
known
as
the
northwest
gateway
sustainable
community
area,
which
also
overlaps
with
the
commercial
revitalization
district.
So
within
that
crd
year,
programs
such
as
the
commercial
revitalization
action
grant
architect
on
call
building
improvement
loan,
as
well
as
the
commercial
revitalization
tax
credit.
M
M
So
this
new
pixel
commercial,
revitalization
action
plan
kind
of
took
the
three
sub
areas
that
had
been
identified
in
prior
plans
and
kept
them
the
same,
but
also
kind
of
reworded
them
to
bring
it
more
into
the
modern
modern
day.
So
you'll
see
here
these
three
subsections,
one
being
the
suburban
commercial
and
the
yellow
the
central
business
district
in
red
being
classified
as
more
of
a
high
impact
area
for
revitalization.
M
M
M
So
some
of
the
common
issues
that
you
know
I've
observed
as
well
as
hearing
from
the
community
throughout
the
years
are
such
issues
as
the
deteriorated
streetscape
and
facades,
traffic
condition,
congestion
and
parking
issues,
trash
and
litter,
a
lack
of
district
identity
and
sense
of
place,
there's
really
no
type
of
community
park
or
lots
of
public
open
space,
as
well
as
issues
with
walkability
and
connectivity
aside.
Please.
M
M
M
So,
along
with
these
various
input,
meetings,
surveys
and
exercises,
a
lot
of
recommendations
were
documented
and
conveyed
by
various
pikesville
community
groups
and
highly
active
residents,
many
of
which
I've
met
on
several
occasions
and
discussed
variety
of
revitalization
ideas,
most
of
which
are
now
contained
within
this
action
plan.
So
you
can
see
beginning
with
the
commercial
provider
of
commercial
district
study.
M
We
started
out
with
individual
community
and
business
association
meetings.
We
did
meet
with
the
10
active
community
associations
in
the
area
as
well
as
conducted
confidential
stakeholder
interviews
with
11
business
stakeholders
conducted
a
strengths,
weaknesses,
opportunities
and
threats,
analysis
of
which
we
received
53
submissions.
G
M
Next
slide,
please
so
here
you'll
see
this
is
the
community
input
and
study
presentation
that
was
conducted
on
april
of
2019
presented
the
commercial
revita
commercial
district
study
to
the
community.
M
Some
of
the
main
input
themes
that
were
apparent
throughout
this
exercise
was
streetscape
and
beautification,
and
again
traffic
and
parking,
walkability
promotion
and
marketing
business
outreach,
as
well
as
zoning
and
design
the
table
exercises
we're
geared
towards
an
analysis
of
the
crd
and
the
surrounding
area
and
at
the
end
table
reports
share
the
various
types
of
input
that
was
gathered
next
slide.
Please.
M
M
I
did
receive
other
feedback
since
then,
particularly
from
some
of
the
larger
and
more
active
community
groups,
and
once
it
was
decided
to
begin
this
adoption
process,
I
solicited
for
more
community
feedback
and
received
three
individual
submissions
back
in
august,
so
in
some
shape
or
form
majority
of
that
feedback
that
I
received
on
the
action
plan
has
been
incorporated
in
into
the
draft
plan
next
slide.
Please.
M
So
I
also
wanted
to
talk
a
little
about
some
of
the
current
revitalization
efforts
that
are
going
on
right
now
that
are
part
of
the
action
plan.
So
we
do
have
as
of
fiscal
year,
2022
approximately
235
000
for
streetscape
improvements.
M
M
Also,
as
I
spoke
to
earlier,
the
commercial
revitalization
action
grant
or
crag
is
an
annual
grant
that
will
award
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
to
a
business
association,
so
fy,
2021,
there's
actually
30
000
extra
money
came
out
of
the
cares,
act
funds
all
of
that
went
towards
marketing
and
branding,
as
well
as
farmers,
market
support
and
moving
into
fy
2022.
We
do
anticipate
about
10
000
to
go
towards
whatever
project
that
the
chamber
of
commerce
decides
to
submit
for.
M
Next
slide,
please,
so
that's
all
I
had
for
bulk
of
the
presentation.
I
do
thank
everyone
for
being
here
this
evening.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
I'll
be
glad
to
try
to
answer
those
also
you'll
see
on
the
screen.
There's
the
tentative
dates
for
the
next
two
planning
board
hearings
for
the
public
hearing,
as
well
as
the
planning
board
vote.
M
H
M
Yes,
it
is
available
online
and
I
thought
that
it
had
been
sent
out
to
everybody
with
the
meeting
information
and
agenda,
but
it
is
available
online
and
I'll
be
glad
to
send
it
to
you
as
well.
No.
H
A
And
I
think
that's
one
thing
that
the
public
doesn't
realize
that
it's
not
just
these
meetings
that
you
do.
You
guys
go
into
all
different
areas
of
baltimore
county
and
do
deep
dive.
So
thank
you
so
very
very
much
so
since
there's
no,
since
there
are
no
other
further
questions,
can
I
entertain
a
motion
to
set
a
public
hearing.
K
Sure
be
it
moved
that
the
baltimore
county
planning
board
set
a
public
hearing
regarding
the
pikesville
commercial
revitalization
action
plan
for
thursday
october
7th
2021
at
5,
00
pm.
H
A
E
A
E
Yes,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
board
recent
county
council
legislation
of
interest
to
the
board
starts
with
bill
76
20-21
zoning
regulations,
cemeteries
and
burial
grounds
for
the
purpose
of
permitting
natural
burial
grounds,
including
conservation,
burial
grounds
as
an
alternative
burial
ground
in
certain
areas
of
the
county,
defining
and
redefining
certain
terms,
providing
certain
conditions
applicable
to
natural
burial
grounds
and
it
comes
and
a
conservation,
burial,
ground
bill.
E
80-21
zoning
regulations,
temporary
use
trailers
for
the
purpose
of
permitting
the
temporary
business
use
of
trailers
in
certain
areas
throughout
the
county,
under
certain
circumstances,
bill
81-21,
planned
unit
developments,
community
benefit
capital.
Improvements
for
the
purpose
of
amending
the
capital
improvement
community
benefit
provision
for
an
application
for
a
plant
unit
development
resolution,
99-21
adoption
of
the
2020
triannual
review
of
the
baltimore
county,
water
supply
and
sewerage
plan.
E
A
resolution
adopting
the
report
of
the
2020
triennial
review
of
baltimore
county
water
supply
and
sewerage
plan
resolution,
100-21
amendments
to
the
baltimore
county,
water
supply
and
sewerage
plan.
A
resolution
excuse
me
a
resolution
to
amend
the
baltimore
county
water
supply
and
storage
plan.
2020
resolution
112-21
approval
continuation
of
a
state
of
emergency
executive
order,
2021-022.
A
A
N
H
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Now
we're
reconvening
now
we're
going
to
start
our
public
hearing
and
good
evening
again
and
welcome
to
the
baltimore
county
planning
board
public
hearing
for
resolution,
46,
21,
minimum
width
requirement,
townhouses
and
group
houses.
The
public
hearing
is
called
to
order.
I'm
nancy
hafford,
the
chair
of
the
baltimore
canyon
planning
board
and
we'll
now
start
our
meeting
with
the
roll
call
of
all
of
our
members
that
are
present.
O
P
K
C
A
Thank
you
all
at
the
planning
board
meeting
september,
2nd
2021,
mrs
jennifer
nugent
defense
vision,
chief
and
development,
review
of
baltimore
county
planning
board,
introduced
resolution,
46-21,
minimum
width
requirements
for
town
homes
and
group
homes.
Mrs
nugent
is
here
to
further
present
on
resolution,
2621,
minimum
width
requirements
for
town
homes
group
homes
to
the
board.
Following
ms
nugent's
presentation.
A
N
I'm
going
to
do
a
brief
presentation
from
the
presentation
I
did
at
the
last
meeting,
which
was
based
on
the
report
that
we
posted
to
the
county
website
as
well
as
furnished
to
you
all
ahead
of
the
last
meeting.
Can
anybody
see
my
screen
out?
Okay,.
N
Yes,
can
you
walk
okay?
Yes,
we
can
see
it.
I
just
make
sure
you
can
hear
me
too
sorry,
so
resolution
4621
was
request,
acted
by
enacted
by
the
county
council
for
you
all
the
planning
board
to
review
the
laws,
regulations
and
policies
associated
with
the
minimum,
with
requirement
for
townhouses
or
group
houses,
and
to
study
the
feasibility
and
efficacy
of
amending
the
minimum
with
requirement
and
report
its
findings
and
recommendations
on
those
results
and
studies
back
to
the
county
council.
N
The
comprehensive
manual
development
policies
or
cmdp
establishes
the
minimum
width
requirement
for
townhouses
to
be
20
feet.
A
townhouse
less
than
20
feet
in
width
is
permissible
within
a
planned
unit.
Development
research
reveal
our
plantings.
Research
revealed
that
in
the
last
10
years
only
three
of
14
plug
developments
approved
in
the
county,
took
advantage
of
the
reduced
townhouse
width.
N
Information
provided
by
mbia,
specifically
their
financial
analysis,
did
highlight
some
added
community
benefits
like
increasing
housing
choices
and
creating
more
socially
and
economically
diverse
communities.
The
department
did
have
difficulty
in
determining
the
financial
gains
and
more
affordable
options,
as
presented
through
mbia's
information.
N
Housing
is
one
of
the
crucial
components
for
economic
growth
and
the
backbone
of
strong
communities
with
regard
to
the
county
and
a
county-wide
enterprise
strategic
plan
outlined
by
the
administration.
That
plays
a
critical
role
in
achieving
four
of
the
set
goals,
which
are
vibrant
communities,
sustainability,
equity
and
education.
N
N
Providing
more
units
on
the
land
by
right
could
impact
overall
quality
of
design,
with
a
loss
of
open
and
green
space
increase
in
storm
water
runoff
and
reduce
space
for
landscaping.
Amenities
may
require
greater
emphasis
for
the
residents
in
order
to
create
vibrant,
sustainable
and
equitable
communities.
N
The
recommendation
to
the
planning
board
from
the
department
is
to
retain
the
minimum
health
townhouse
with
the
20
feet
and
not
support
it
to
be
16
feet
as
a
matter
of
right.
It
would
support
a
reduced
width
as
a
conditional
use
with
the
following
conditions,
though
the
development
of
reduced
width
units
may
not
be
granted
waivers
or
variances
for
building
height
setback,
requirements,
landscaping
or
local,
open
space
requirements,
and
additionally,
environmental
areas
should
not
be
minimized
or
altered
in
a
major
subdivision.
A
plan
shall
show
a
balanced
mixture
and
equal
distribution
of
talent.
N
Reduced
with
townhouse
development
may
only
be
located
within
growth.
Tier
1,
designated
areas
of
the
county
and
the
falling
table
here
to
the
right
would
show
suggested
parking
provisions
for
the
reduced
with
townhomes.
A
L
Excuse
me,
I
would
like
for
ms
nugent
to
clarify
one
of
the
last
things
she
commented
on
regarding
what
the
I
guess,
the
planning
staff
might
support
with
regard
to
what
they,
what
they
would
accept
for
reduction
under
certain
circumstances.
N
Well,
we
had
in
in
the
report
we
had
stated
that
we
would
consider
entertaining
the
idea
of
reduced
width
as
a
mix
within
an
overall
subdivision.
I
think
the
nba
ia
is
coming
behind
me
next
with
some
more
explanation
about
that,
but
that
providing
a
mix
and
not
just
solely
doing
a
development
entirely
of
one
width
is
something
that
we
would
support.
N
We
would
not
be
in
favor
of
a
development
asking
for
any
waivers
or
variances
for
height
and
setback
requirements,
landscaping
or
local
open
space
requirements,
and
then
we
were
also
recommending
that
the
reduced
width
would
only
be
located
within
the
grow.
Tier
growth
chair,
one
designated
areas
of
the
county.
F
Jennifer
this
is
kathy
wolfson.
So
am
I
correct,
then,
that
16
feet
would
be
as
wide
as
a
double
wide
trail
house,
trailer.
F
Well,
the
maximum
would
be
eight
to
get
it
down
the
road.
It
can't
exceed
eight
feet
in
width,
okay
and
parking,
so
you
have
16
feet
and
I
do
I
assume
correctly
that
the
county
would
still
require
the
same
number
of
parking
spaces
correct
so
conceivable.
F
N
That
is,
that
is
planning's
view.
Yes,
thank
you.
K
Just
a
quick
question:
was
there
any
thought
given
I
mean
I,
I
know
that
this
would
only
apply
to
the
growth
one,
the
the
growth
tier
one
areas,
but
was
there
any
thought
given
to
changing
the
requirements
depending
upon
you
know,
there
are
some
parts
of
the
county
where
the
land
is
much
more
expensive,
and
so,
if
we're
going
to
encourage
more
affordable
housing
in
those
areas,
we
may
want
to
allow
it
versus
other
parts.
So
is
there
any
consideration
given
to
taking
taking
sort
of
the
differential
land
costs
into
account.
N
A
Q
Hello-
I
don't
know
if
I'm
audible,
but
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
having
me.
I
appreciate
you
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
this
measure
with
me
on
the
call
are
michael
coughlin
and
potentially
rob
all
miller,
although
his
internet
just
went
down
so
I
don't
know,
if
he's
here
to
join
me
in
giving
a
short
presentation
regarding
the
proposed
resolution,
we
do
have
a
powerpoint
prepared,
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
to
get
it
up
on
the
screen.
E
So
there's
a
small
box,
a
u-shaped
box
next
to
your
name
and
you
just
right.
Click
on
that.
J
Q
Everybody
yeah
wonderful!
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
know
that
rob
and
michael
have
been
working
very
fairly
closely
on
this
and
they've
made.
I
I
don't.
Q
All
right,
maybe
not
so
I'm
just
going
to
jump.
S
Q
S
Q
Okay,
so
I'll
get
started
so
we're
going
to
start.
We
we've
sort
of
been
working
on
this
this
this
pro
this
proposal
for
a
number
of
years,
actually
before
I
got
to
nbia
and
michael
and
rob
have
been
working
very
closely
on
it,
so
we're
going
to
start
with.
You
know
right
now.
The
current
comprehensive
manual
development
policies,
of
course
prohibits
the
building
of
20
foot
town
houses
by
right.
Q
They
have
to
be
in
the
pud
process.
This
rule
was
established
in
the
late
1990s
as
kind
of
a
a
a
sort
of
check
on
some
of
the
more
egregious
examples
of
poor
architectural
design.
During
that
period
you
know
they
were
referred
to
as
little
box
houses.
Q
To
do
a
quick
flip
on
some
of
this
development
land,
so
you
know
these
16
foots
weren't,
sustainable,
mostly
built
and
sold
for
under
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Developable
land
was
extremely
cheap
and
there
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
design
regulation
in
place
regarding
the
properties
that
were
being
built
at
the
time.
So
you
know
the
the
limitation
to
20
foot
town
houses
was
kind
of
in
a
response
to
these
poor
designs.
Q
You
know
most
of
these
were
built
long
before
there
were
pattern
books
we
put
in
place
hundreds
of
regulations
that
have
been
enacted
between
then
and
now
that
have
resulted
in
quite
a
bit
different
design.
Michael,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what
the
differences
are
between
between
then
and
now.
S
Yeah
absolutely
so
there
have
been
a
lot
of
the
builders
have
been
able
to
do
a
lot
more
with
16
foot,
wide
town
homes.
Here's
some
a
couple
of
slides
here.
I
can't
really
flip
through
them
from
my
end,
but
you're
able
to
get
more
floors
than
they
used
to
here's.
Some
good
examples
of
16
foot,
town
homes
past
and
present
they're
able
to
get
more
floors
than
they
have
in
the
past.
S
They're
able
to
have
more
architectural
elements
to
them,
so
they're
able
to
get
them
to
to
look
look
better,
be
able
to
get
more
square
footage
in
them
than
they
have
in
the
past.
So
there's
really
been
a
lot
that
builders
can
do
with
the
narrow
town
homes
and
what
was
done
in
the
90s
and
early
2000s.
Q
Yeah,
so
you
know
the
the
the
the
difference
is:
we've
we've
compiled
a
short
list
of
some
of
the
differences
that
you
can
get
between
16
20
foots
on
this
slide.
You
know
it's
a
slightly
smaller
square
footage,
usually
one
less
bedroom
same
number
of
floors
and
then
generally
20
foot
wides
can
have
it
have
a
single
front
garage
or
a
double
rear
garage.
Q
One
of
the
big
differences
between
the
two
development.
The
two
types
of
development
is
that,
according
to
our
macro
analysis
of
several
major
builders,
you
know
we
found
that
there
was
an
average
cost
savings
per
unit
of
about
45
40
to
45
thousand
dollars
off
the
off
the
final
sale
price
of
a
16
versus
a
20
foot
home
michael.
I
know
you
were
involved
in
the
creation
of
that
data.
If
you
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
exactly
what
we
did.
S
Yeah
we
we
reached
out
to
a
couple
of
builders,
a
couple
of
larger
national
builders.
We
were
able
to
get
some
some
different
price
points
from
them.
They
were
average
price
points
they
weren't
per
community,
but
they
gave
us
a
rough
idea
of
the
price
differences
between
a
16-foot
townhome
and
a
20-foot
town
home
in
terms
of
what
they
were
selling
for
in
different
jurisdictions.
O
O
O
This
community
is
in
howard,
county
you'll,
see
that
on
the
right,
the
20
foot
wides
have
a
front
entry
garage.
The
16
foots
have
parking
in
the
rear
and
you'll
see
that
both
are
built
with
nice,
high
quality
materials
and
have
a
nice
viewscape
from
the
community.
O
Some
would
even
say
that
the
ones
the
16s
look
nicer,
because
the
parking
is
put
behind
the
house
next
slide.
Please
another
example
of
16
foot
wides
on
the
left
and
20
foot
wide
homes
on
the
right.
There
is
not
a
huge
visual
difference,
one
of
the
reasons
that
these
houses
were
kind
of
prohibited
in
the
late
90s
was
because
they
were
seen
as
small
cheap
boxes,
and
you
can
see
now
that
they
have
evolved
greatly
from
what
was
built
25
years
ago.
Next
slide.
Please.
O
So
why
should
we
allow
16
foot
wide
townhouses?
You
know,
like
I
said:
they've
evolved
a
lot
since
the
last
25
years,
and
it
also
some
of
the
benefits
are
that
increases
the
supply
of
workforce
housing
isaac
said
that
16
foot,
wides
and
other
jurisdictions
sell
for
about
45
000
less
than
a
20
foot
wide
in
in
a
competing
jurisdiction.
O
This
they
help
incentivize
revitalization
of
priority
funding
areas.
A
lot
of
these
priority
funding
areas
have
lower
income
housing,
which
makes
new
development
difficult
and
they're,
also
very
small
parcels
which
makes
redevelopment
of
them
difficult.
When
we
have
to
build
very
large,
you
know
townhouses
in
small
areas,
they
will
help
increase
housing
and
socioeconomic
diversity
throughout
the
county
and
they
are
widely
accepted
throughout
the
state.
Anne
arundel,
howard,
frederick
counties
all
allow
16
foot
wide
townhouses
by
right.
Harford
allows
18
foot
by
right.
O
In
fact,
howard
county
allows
15
foot
wide
townhouses
by
right
and
many
other
jurisdictions
throughout
the
state.
Allow
them
to
reducing
the
townhouse
width
could
help
the
county
meet
its
enterprise
strategic
plan
for
vibrant
communities.
As
ms
nugent
pointed
out
and
16
foot
wide
town
houses
are
still
subject
to
all
zoning
design,
open
space,
traffic
parking
and
environmental
requirements.
O
They
will
not
decrease
the
amount
of
open
space.
Open
space
must
be
provided
a
thousand
square
foot
per
unit.
If
we
do
build
more
units,
we
will
be
required
to
provide
more
open
space,
so
in
fact
it
may
also
it
may
lead
to
increased
open
space.
It
also
may
lead
to
the
same
density
built
on
a
smaller
footprint,
which
would
allow
more
more
pervious
space
and
open
space
and
green
space
next
slide.
Please.
O
So
I
wanted
to
miss
newton
put
together
the
report
for
planning.
We
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
her
earlier
this
week
about
it
and
in
a
lot
of
instances
she
was
very
complimentary
and
the
planning
department
was,
you
know
complimentary,
of
16
foot
wide
townhouses.
I
just
want
to
read
a
couple
of
these
quotes
from
the
report
that
was
issued
and
presented
to
you
on
september.
2Nd,
a
quality
and
successful
development
can
be
achieved
by
constructing
reduced
townhouse
west.
O
When
construction
costs
are
reduced,
developers
can
invest
in
neighborhoods
that
have
been
previously
under
invested
and
disinvested.
This
could
potentially
improve
and
reduce
the
equity
gap
within
the
county.
We
agree
with
all
these
statements
that
planning
wrote.
These
are
a
lot
of
reasons
why
16
foot
wide
townhouses
can
be
very
beneficial
to
the
county.
O
O
All
these
that
you're
seeing
here
are
16
foot
wide
next
slide.
Please.
O
O
16
foot
wides
have
the
option
of
the
picture
on
the
left
shows
single
garages
in
a
parking
driveway
on
the
left,
or
they
can
have
an
open
yard
in
the
back
and
have
the
parking
out
front
next
slide,
please
another
community
in
howard,
county
next
slide-
and
here
you
can
see
you
know
these-
have
a
single
garage
in
the
back
and
the
one
on
the
end
on
the
picture
on
the
right.
Even
has
a
partial
fourth
floor.
O
O
O
So,
just
to
wrap
it
up,
you
know:
townhouse
design
has
evolved
significantly,
since
six
teams
were
prohibited
in
the
late
90s.
The
reasons
that
we
prohibited
them
are
no
longer
in
place.
We
have
design
restrictions,
we
have
260
regulations,
pattern,
books
and,
and
we
don't
need
to
prohibit
these
anymore.
O
Six
teams
are
now
attractive,
well-designed
and
meet
the
needs
of
county
residents.
We
should
be
providing
more
housing
choices
for
our
residents.
Our
typical
family
is
no
longer
husband,
wife
and
two
and
a
half
kids.
We
need
to
ride
housing
options
for
our
families
that
may
be
single
parents
or
empty
nesters
or
young
couples
that
are
putting
off
having
kids
right
away.
O
C
O
O
We
will
not
be
going
over
our
density
because
that
is
set
by
the
underlying
zoning,
but
we
may
be
able
to
realize
more
density,
but
that's
only
if
we
can
comply
with
all
open
space,
all
parking,
all
traffic
school
landscaping,
design
requirements.
So
in
some
cases
it
may
allow
more
density.
In
other
cases,
it
may
result
in
the
same
number
of
houses
on
a
smaller
environmental
footprint.
G
Rob
if
I
could
ask
a
question
one
of
the
challenges
the
county
has
is
the
fact
that
we
have
very
little
building
loss
left.
I
think
the
last
time
we
got
a
report.
There
was
2100
building
lots
in
the
county
left
for
development
and
I
think
those
numbers
are
a
year
old.
So
it's
probably
down
dramatically
from
that
at
this
point,
because
I
don't
know
what
we
build
a
year,
but
I
know
it's
it's
north
of
1300
units
a
year.
G
So
the
challenge
I
have
I'm
for
the
16
foot,
but
I
I
would
want
us
to
be
able
to
get
greater
density
out
of
these
developments.
G
That's
the
way
to
lower
housing
prices,
as
you
know,
and-
and
you
can
speak
to
this
better
than
I
can
one
of
the
major
inputs
these
days-
is
not
the
actual
construction
cost.
It's
the
land
cost
and
projects
just
don't
make
sense
so
of
the
land.
That's
left
in
the
county
to
develop
inside
ertl
many
projects
don't
make
sense
just
because
you
can't
get
enough
density
out
of
it.
So
what's
your
thoughts
on
that.
O
O
So
what
we've
been
asked
by
the
county
and
what
the
market
requires
of
builders
and
developers
is
to
invest
and
revitalize
older
areas
and
I'll
tell
you
it's
it's
a
lot
easier
to
go
out
and
develop
a
50
farm
than
it
is
to
assemble
land
inside
the
urtle
and
redevelop
it,
and
this
will
allow
us
to
it's
another
tool
that
we
can
use
to
help
incentivize
redevelopment
of
you
know
older
neighborhoods
and
neighborhoods
that
where
the
housing
prices
may
not
be
as
high
and
and
this
is
a
you
know,
I
personally
had
an
experience
where
I
had
a
project
in
in
eastern
baltimore
county
and
it
didn't
pencil
out
because
there
was
a
ceiling
on
on
housing
prices
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
was
you
know,
required
to
build
20
foot
wide
townhouses
and
if
I
could
have
done
six
teams,
I
could
have.
O
I
could
have
made
it
happen,
but
the
project
wasn't
large
enough
to
support
an
expensive
pud
process
and,
although
16s
are
allowed
by
bipod
puds
are
very
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
politics
involved,
they're
very
expensive,
there's
a
lot
of
upfront,
design
costs
and
so
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
avoid
them,
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
really
don't.
We
don't
agree
with
the
conditional
use
that
planning
has
proposed.
We
think
that's
a
de
facto
restriction
on
16s.
A
H
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
I
agree
with
todd,
although
I
think
rob
your
argument
is
a
little.
Can
you
guys
submit
a
market
study
or
some
report
that
substantiates
your
claim
that
it's
forty
to
forty
five
thousand
dollars
less?
Because
what
what
concerns
me
is,
mr
coughlin.
I
believe
it
was
said
that
they
reached
out
to
a
couple
of
national
home
builders
and
got
some
information.
Is
there
an
actual
report
that
you
know
can
substantiate
the
claim
that
it's
40
to
45
000,
less.
O
You
know
our
position
so
far
is
that
smaller
houses
cost
less
to
build
and
they
sell
for
less
and
we
think
that's
kind
of
a
common
sense
argument
and
planning
assets
to
put
some
numbers
together.
So
we
did
an
internal
study
with
a
few
national
home
builders
and
and
came
up
with
those
averages
from
other
jurisdictions
to
try
to
figure
out
how
much
less
expensive
a
16
foot
wide
in
baltimore
county
may
be
than
a
current
20
foot.
O
P
Thanks
very
much,
I
would
suggest
to
you,
since
I'm
the
title
guy,
that
it's
a
good
forty
thousand
dollar
difference
throughout
the
metropolitan
area
and
arundel
to
frederick
to
howard
up
to
carroll
county
between
the
16s
and
the
20-footers.
P
P
It's
what
people
can
afford,
as
well
as
people
that
can
afford
housing.
That's
going
to
be
built
in
the
white
marsh
area.
Townhouses.
You
know
in
the
I'm
trying
to
get
my
thing
adjusted.
I'm
sorry
in
the
340
range
to
390
range
for
townhouses
for
20-foot
townhouses
we
talked
about
we
talked
about
our
county
is
an
aging
county.
Talk
about
the
cost.
Lumber
is
up
30
to
35
just
on
the
housing.
P
P
P
P
How
do
I
know
because
we
have
to
get
a
survey
on
each
property,
14
foot
wide
16,
not
too
many
20s
in
the
city,
once
in
a
while
they'll
put
two
12
footers
together
to
make
a
24-footer,
but
that's
the
odd
case
in
baltimore
city,
the
people
that
are
buying
in
fells
point
in
federal
hill
in
canton
are
very
happy
with
their
14
and
16
foot
house.
They
make
them
special
they're
able
to
buy
them
in
the
230
240
range.
They
are
paying
higher
property
taxes.
P
We
understand
that,
but
they
still
want
to
live
there,
that
I
was
with
the
national
builder
meeting
180
houses
and
lots
in
canton,
and
you
know
knowing
that
he
wanted
16-footers
there
in
the
city,
because
that's
what
he
thinks
the
young
millennials
are
whatever
the
group
is.
Excuse
me
if
I
have
it
wrong
for
the
name
of
the
present
25
to
35
year
olds,
I
do
have
a
problem
with
the
planning
staffs
wanting
to
limit
the
16s
in
the
pud.
They
talk
about
that.
We
would
lose
open
space,
stormwater
management
landscaping.
P
Everything
else
I
disagree
with
that.
The
planning
board,
it
would
still
have
to
go
through
them,
even
the
limited
that
it
has
to
be
in
tier
one
if
you
could
find
a
three
acre
site
and
be
able
to
build
30
or
40
houses
there
that
are
well
designed
and
approved
by
the
planning
books
and
by
the
planning
department.
P
R
P
County
in
owings
mills
newtown,
we
do
a
lot
of
resales
there
as
well
in
white
marsh,
a
lot
of
resales
where
16
and
18
footers
were
built,
maybe
not
as
pretty
as
they
should
have
been
back
in
the
80s
and
90s.
But
now
we
are
that
much
tougher
on
the
design
criteria
and
I
really
believe
this
is
something
that
baltimore
county
should
do
for
the
future,
especially
as
we
become
a
minority
county
and
should
be
providing
affordable
housing.
That
is
something
less
than
the
top
of
the
line.
A
J
In
towson,
we
have
two
developments
that
have
16
foot
townhouses
house
in
green
and
towson
news
and
they're
they're,
both
fine
developments,
but
I
would
not
think
they
were
fine
if
they
were
all
16..
So
therefore,
I'm
opposed
to
just
allowing
16
by
right.
Both
of
those
projects
were
puds
and
they
turned
out
really
good.
So
there
is
an
availability
of
six
teams
in
baltimore
county.
J
If
you
go
through
the
flood
process
which
allows
more
community
input-
and
you
know
in
the
case
of
towson
green,
I
was
involved
with
that
from
the
community
standpoint
and
the
it
turned
out
much
better
with
community
input
involved
than
it
had
started
out.
So
I
think
we
should
keep
the
existing
regulations
as
far
as
townhomes
are
concerned
and
keep
the
below
20
foot
houses
as
part
of
the
pud
process.
You
can
also
get
a
density
bonus
by
going
through
the
bud
process
too.
L
Yes,
madam
chair,
I
would
like
to
make
a
steve
heinle
here,
I'd
like
to
say
that
I'm
generally
in
favor
of
creating
more
affordable
opportunities
for
home
ownership.
One
of
the
things
that
I've
experienced
in
knowing
people
and
living
in
communities
that
have
have
been
in
townhouse
communities
is
that
you
do
not
want
to
reduce
the
parking
in
these
communities
to
accommodate
more
housing.
With
less
parking
I
mean
it
is
just
it'd
be
unrealistic
to
think
that
these
houses
are
going
to
have
less
than
two
cars.
L
They
constantly
have
people
over.
That's
a
good
thing,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
my
concern
would
have
less
to
do
with
the
actual
living
space
and
more
to
do
with
accommodating
parking
because
honestly
creates
so
much
animosity
in
communities
when
you
can't
support
the
people
who
are
living
there
with
proper
parking.
So
I'd
keep
that
in
mind
with
regard
to
when
we're
building
these
houses
great,
let
more
people
be
homeowners,
but
keep
in
mind
the
fact
that
somebody's
gotta
park
somewhere
and
it
gets
ugly.
So
that's
all.
A
A
For
those
who
wish
to
provide
written
comments
during
this
hearing,
you
can
do
so
by
typing
them
into
the
host
chat
box
and
comments
will
be
read
to
the
board
members
during
this
meeting.
Please
refer
to
the
online
instructions
for
entering
comments
and
procedures.
For
speaking
during
this
meeting.
Remember
speakers
only
have
two
minutes
and
right
now
our
first
two
speakers
are
signed
up
for
mr
miller.
Are
mr
ambrose?
Oh,
do
you
still
have
things
you'd
like
to
say.
O
Q
I
also
believe
that
we
have
a
question
in
the
chat,
or
that
was
going
in
the
chat
for
for
rob
from
miss
panero.
I
A
Okay,
thank
you,
gentlemen.
Is
there
anything
else
you'd
like
to
add
before
I
call
on
the
other
speakers,
I
mean
people
that
want
to
make
comments.
N
N
We're
not
looking
say,
for
example,
if
you
were
to
have
a
group
of
five
townhouses
we're
not
looking,
because
it
doesn't
make
practical
construction
sense
to
throw
in
three
different
with
town
homes
within
a
town
house
group.
It's
just
to
rob's
point.
The
construction
cost
is
not
feasible.
However,
say
you
were
to
have
a
a
townhouse
development
community
of
about
53
houses
all
in
in
different
groups.
N
We
would
probably
you
know
envision
more,
that
you
could
potentially
do
varying
widths
in
townhouse
groups,
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
that
was
where
we
were
coming
from.
A
A
R
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
a
long
time.
Baltimore
county
resident
I've
been
living
here
since
I
graduated
college
about
20
years
ago,
and
I
have
spent
the
majority
of
my
career
actually
as
a
home
builder
in
the
county,
and
I'm
actually
here
today
representing
dr
horton,
which
is
the
largest
home
builder
in
the
country
and
just
to
kind
of
give
a
little
bit
of
color
around
what
you
know.
We
see
throughout
the
rest
of
kind
of
the
state
and
kind
of
how
we
look
at
things.
R
We
build
a
lot
of
16
footers.
We
build
them
in
frederick.
We
build
them
in
montgomery
county,
we'll
build
them
in
prince
george's
county.
Much
like
the
cause
difference
between
a
20
and
a
24
foot
town
home.
I
think
the
40
000
number
that
was
quoted
is
pretty
accurate
in
terms
of
what
a
16
footer
versus
20
would
cost
and
what
a
20
versus
a
24
would
cost
just
as
a
comparison.
R
There
are
about
400
square
feet
different
if
you
just
use
the
same
box,
meaning
a
16
foot
wide
by
40
foot
deep
and
a
20
foot
wide
by
40
foot.
Deep
and
at
you
know,
60
dollars
a
square
foot
which,
frankly,
is
not
even
in
the
ballpark
of
what
it
costs
to
build
a
house
anymore
in
today's
world.
You
know
that
alone
is
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
and
so
I
think
that
the
forty
thousand
dollar
number
is
actually
very
defendable
and
could
be
proven
out
very
in
a
fairly
easy
manner.
R
You
know
at
seventy
dollars
a
square
foot,
that's
thirty
thousand,
and
what
nobody
I
didn't
hear
from
anybody
tonight
is
the
development
that
goes
along
with
a
40
with
a
16
foot.
Town
house,
you
know,
is
also
less
road,
less
sidewalk,
you
know
it's
narrower
width,
cluster,
the
development
and
you
should
actually
see
additional
savings
on
the
other
side
as
far
as
producing
that
lot
and
and
and
also
which
also
drives
part
of
that
forty
thousand
dollar
delta
in
in
which
you
could
sell
16
for
versus
a
24..
R
I
think,
as
we
look
at
communities
and
we
try
to
plant
them
as
a
whole
and
try
to
hit
broad
markets
where
we're
offering
products,
for
you
know
all
sizes
and
at
all
levels
and
all
price
points,
it
is
kind
of
a
missing.
R
It
is
kind
of
the
missing
price
point
in
baltimore,
county
and
in
terms
of
delivering
workforce,
housing
or
or
housing
that
can
be
achieved
by
you
know
everybody
you
know
part
of
what
holds
up
the
development
process
is
sometimes
going
through
the
you
know,
through
the
long
put
which
we
do
all
the
time
and
we're
very
happy
to
do
it
when
the
time
is
right.
But
you
know
in
a
30
or
40
lot
subdivision.
R
It
doesn't
really
make
sense
to
do
that
kind
of
process
and
and
frankly,
adds
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
cost
to
the
project.
It
basically
goes
right
to
the
cost
of
the
house
at
the
end,
so
you
know
being
able
to
bring
lots
on
sooner
for
less
money
and
being
able
to
offer
a
price
point
that
hasn't
been
seen
or
achieved
by
others
in
the
marketplace.
Is
you
know
really
going
to
be
a
game
changer
in
my
opinion,
for
being
able
to
offer?
A
A
A
No,
there
are
not
madam
chair.
Thank
you
so
much
at
this
time.
We
have
no
one
signed
up
to
speak.
Oh
no,
so
thank
you,
miss
nugent,
for
your
presentation.