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B
C
B
C
B
B
Very
good
chair
we'll
entertain
a
motion
for
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes
motion
by
mr
warren
and
second
by
mr
schweitzer.
Are
there
any
unreadiness,
if
not
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
opposed
to
have
the
same
right,
not
hearing
anything
carries
and
the
minutes
are
adopted.
B
D
Council,
mr
chairman,
there
are
five
items
or
excuse
me.
Four
items
I'm
starting
with
bill
9920,
which
is
for
the
parking
of
commercial
vehicles,
and
it's
for
the
purpose
of
prohibiting
parking
of
certain
vehicles
in
the
maryland
43
overlay
district
and
providing
certain
parking
restrictions
on
certain
vehicles
at
specific
times
and
generally
relating
to
vehicle
parking
bill
100-20,
which
is
for
design
review
areas.
D
The
area
is
designated
as
a
design
review
area
for
residential
and
non-residential
development.
Pursuant
to
bill
100-20.
The
newly
designated
area
will
supersede
the
previously
adopted
map
dated
october
12,
2016
known
as
the
east,
towson
design,
review
area
and
finally,
resolution
118-20
is
to
authorize
or
pre-approve
contracts
for
sale.
D
Purchase
of
a
warehouse
facility
related
to
covet
19,
and
this
is
a
resolution
to
authorize
and
pre-approve
for
baltimore
county
to
negotiate
and
enter
into
a
contract
of
sale
for
the
purchase
of
a
warehouse
facility
and
an
amount
not
to
exceed
7.5
million
dollars
for
activities
to
prevent,
prepare
for
and
respond
to
the
corona
virus
crisis.
Only
and
that's
those
are
the
items
mr
chairman.
B
Following
the
adjournment
of
this
meeting,
we'll
take
a
brief
pause
and
we
will
begin
exactly
at
5
pm,
so
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion
so
move
on
mr
schweitzer.
Second,
second,
a
second
about
mr
warren,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
all
right
most
have
the
same
right.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
very
much
and
we'll
see
you
in
five
minutes.
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C
C
C
C
B
All
right
good
evening
and
welcome
everyone.
I
want
to
ask
you
if
you
are
not
speaking
to
please
place
your
device
on
mute
if
you're,
not
speaking,
please
place
your
device
on
mute,
welcome
everyone,
and
this
is
the
public
hearing
that
has
now
been
called
to
order.
My
name
is
scott
phillips
and
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
planning
board
tonight.
The
planning
board
will
conduct
the
public
hearing
for
two
items.
B
First,
the
board
will
hear
testimony
on
the
amendment
to
the
10-year
solid
waste
plan
office.
Building
recycling
immediately
following
the
board
will
hear
testimony
on
the
agricultural
building's
value-added
agricultural
uses
coming
out.
I
would
like
to
take
note
of
the
board
members
who
are
present
this
evening.
B
B
Mr
heinel,
I
know
mr
heinle
is
trying
to
get
into
the
meeting.
I
will
come
back
mr
perlow
hi,
mr
heinel.
Is
there
mr
pirlo,
mr
warren
hi
and
mr
caligari.
B
Mr
caligari
is
also
with
us:
we've
got
a
little
challenge
technical
challenge,
so
I
have
pretty
much
everyone
I
believe
accounted
for.
B
Mr
mcginnis
is
coming
in
he's
here.
Mr
mcginnis
is
here.
Thank
you.
If
I
didn't
state
your
name,
if
I
missed
you,
please
let
me
know.
B
So,
thank
you
at
this
time.
Oh
excuse
me.
Let
me
go
back.
Okay,
our
first
item
public
hearing
at
the
board's
october
15
2020
meeting
mr
richard
keller
from
the
department
of
public
works,
introduced
the
amendment
to
the
10-year
solid
waste
plan
office
building
recycling.
B
E
E
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
this
evening
to
explain
this
amendment
to
the
10-year
plan
crystal.
Do
you?
Oh
okay,
chris
is
putting
the.
E
E
E
E
The
annotated
code
of
maryland
environmental
articles,
section
9-1703
next
slide
in
2019,
a
new
state
law
was
passed
under
maryland
senate
bill,
370,
section
9,
1714
of
the
environmental
article
annotated
code
of
maryland
and
requires
collection
and
recycling
of
recyclable
materials
from
office,
buildings
that
have
150
000
or
more
square
feet
of
office
space
and
basically
the
owner
must
provide
recycling
receptacles
and
a
system
to
remove
the
recyclables,
and
these
items
must
be
in
place
by
october.
1St
2021
next
slide.
E
E
In
some
cases,
this
will
vary
depending
on
who
their
end
market
is
they're,
also
responsible
for
for
providing
all
containers,
labor
and
equipment
to
fulfill
the
requirement
of
the
law.
They
must
ensure
collection
and
transportation
to
markets
next
slide
at
the
time
that
this
implementation
was
started.
E
The
state
department
of
assessments
and
taxations
identified
approximately
20
applicable
buildings
that
need
to
comply
with
the
law
and
newly
constructed
buildings
with
150,
000
or
more
square
feet
that
are
with
occupancy
permits
after
the
law
takes
effect
shall
participate
within
three
months
of
the
county,
notifying
them
about
the
requirements
of
the
law
and
the
county
plans
to
check
the
sdat
records
on
or
before
october,
first
of
each
year.
Next
slide,
please,
the
owner
corporate
management,
company
or
tenants
will
be
responsible
for
monitoring
the
program.
E
The
county
may
require
the
owner
to
submit
a
maryland
recycling
act
report
each
year,
and
that
report
describes
how
much
recycling
that
they've
done.
That
includes
the
tonnages
removed
from
the
office
buildings
and
the
markets
for
the
materials
and
the
county
will
notify
the
owners,
corporate
management
companies
or
tenants
of
applicable
buildings
of
the
requirements
of
the
law
as
appropriate.
E
Next
slide.
We
are
accepting
written
comments
for
the
next
35
days.
D'andria
walker,
for
those
of
you
who
do
not
know,
is
the
new
acting
director
of
the
department
of
public
works.
Once
that's
completed,
we
will
finalize
the
ten-year
plan,
amendment
language.
E
F
Questions
have
a
question:
what
triggers
the
the
county
to
ins
inspector
review
a
building's
compliance
with
this?
I
believe
that
the
term
was
made
the
county
may
like
a
couple
slides
ago.
E
Okay,
so
the
the
let
me
let
me
back
up
what
we
may
do
is
ask
them
to
come
to
submit
a
report
on
the
amount
of
recycling
that
they're
doing.
We
have
not
made
a
decision
on
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
do
that.
E
I
think
what
would
trigger
it
would
be
our
interest
in
obtaining
the
data
from
them
on
how
much
recycling
is
being
done.
That
maryland
recycling
act
report
goes
to
the
department
of
the
environment
every
year
and
we
have
to
provide
information
on
what
is
happening
both
on
the
residential
side
and
the
commercial
side,
and
in
that
particular
case
we
would.
We
may
decide
to
do
that
in
order
to
collect
more
data.
B
G
Mr
chairman,
yes,
all
right
I'd
like
to
ask
him
a
question
if
I
might
sure
where
did
the
150
000
square
foot
of
a
building
come
from,
you
say,
there's
only
20
buildings.
I
think
you
say
right
now
that.
E
G
That
was
a
state
legislative,
correct.
I
guess
I
have
a
problem
with
it.
I
don't
know
whether
it's
something
that
we're
absolutely
being
told
by
the
state.
We
have
to
pass
this
law.
I
guess
I
have
problem
in
that
it
starts
with
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
150
000
square
foot,
building,
all
of
a
sudden.
It
becomes
hundred
thousand
square
foot
buildings.
Then
it
becomes
fifty
thousand
square
foot
buildings
and
who
ends
up
paying,
for
this
is
not
really
the
landlord,
but
the
tenants.
If
the
tenants,
I'm
sorry.
G
I
was
gonna
say
the
tenant
ends
up
paying
for
it,
because
they're
paying
cam
they're,
paying
common
area
maintenance
they're,
paying
all
the
cost
over
a
base
year.
So
the
landlord
is
going
to
push
that
through
to
the
tenants
which
are
going
to
raise
whatever
cost
they
have
in
whatever
profession
they're
in
and
it's
just
another
thing
that
you
know
is
put
on
the
business
person.
At
that
point,
understanding
the
need
for
recycling,
but
the
cost
of
it
is
going
to
be
fairly
substantial.
G
You
know
again,
I
think
it's
going
to
become
expandable
to
the
entire.
You
know
business
community
and
I
guess
I
have
a
problem
with
that.
E
E
I
don't
know
whether
this
is
something
that
will
eventually,
as
you
say,
decrease
in
size
and
and
continue
to
move
forward.
I
think
we'll
have
to
wait
and
see
what
the
legislature
does.
G
Not
really
because
I
do
think
that
it's
going
to
be
a
an
added
cost
to
tenants
in
all
kinds
of
buildings.
It
doesn't
tell
me
that
it's
just
office,
it
doesn't
tell
me
that
it's
all
of
a
sudden
going
to
be
every
shopping
center
and
every
you
know,
car
dealership
and
whoever
it
might
be.
You
know
again
understanding
that
the
world
needs
to
recycle,
but
you
know
who
should
be
the
one
really
paying
it.
G
G
Free
right,
that's
being
picked
up
by
private
companies
that
are,
you
know,
picking
up
the
trash,
but
we're
not
you
know,
I'm
a
tenant,
I'm
not
expected
to
in
this
particular
building
where
I
am
to
recycle
various
different
kinds
of
papers
and
keep
different
trash
cans,
and
you
know
even
even
the
maintenance
crews
that
have
to
come
in
are
going
to
have
to
be
paid
more
to
separate
this
trash
as
well-
and
you
know
I
I
just
know
where
it's
going
to
get
passed
off
to
and
ultimately
it
does
get
passed
off
to
the
consumer,
probably
in
higher
prices
for
whatever
it
might
be.
G
E
E
E
B
E
G
E
I
I
will
forward
a
copy
to
you
for
for,
for,
for
you
to
use,
and
I
will
get
a
copy
of
the
law
as
well.
Thank.
B
You,
mr
kell,
all
right
any
other
questions,
mr
keller,
not
for
me
not
hearing
any
other
questions,
we
do
not
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
issue
this
evening
and
I
do
not
see
any
comments
in
the
chat.
So
we
want
to
thank
everyone.
The
planning
book
will
take
into
consideration
the
comments
from
the
staff
this
evening
and
any
materials
that
we
receive
on
this
issue.
B
Thank
you
all,
and
we
are
going
to
move
on
now
that
we
will
hear
once
again
the
stash
recommendations
and
tentatively
scheduled
for
a
vote
on
november.
The
19th
2020
on
this
particular
issue.
B
B
When
I
didn't
hear
mr
mcginnis,
I
was
thinking
that
could
not
be
possible
we're
dealing
with
our
farmers
and
our
equestrians
so
between
mr
mcginnis
and
miss
wolfson.
I
am
sure
you
all
are
ready
to
ask
a
number
of
questions
on
this
issue.
So
our
next
item,
testimony
on
agricultural
buildings,
value-added
agricultural
uses
resolution
number
12-20.
B
At
the
board's
october
15
2020
meeting
mr
wally
lippincott
from
the
department
of
planning
presented
an
overview
of
the
agricultural
building's
value-added
agricultural
uses.
Mr
lippincott,
along
with
ms
megan,
benjamin
and
mr
joseph
wiley,
are
here
to
further
present
on
this
topic.
After
staff
is
finished
with
their
presentation,
I
will
call
on
those
who
have
registered
to
testify
on
this
topic.
Please
join
me
in
welcoming
mr
lippincott
and
mr
benjamin,
and
excuse
me,
ms
benjamin,
my
apologies
and
mr
wild.
I
I
A
recent
report
indicated
that
the
agricultural
economy
and
baltimore
county
contributed
around
300
million
dollars
annually
to
baltimore
county's
economy
and
the
map
that
you
are
seeing
shows
a
sampling
of
the
value-added
agricultural
sites
throughout
the
county,
which
include
farmers,
markets,
farm
wineries
and
breweries
sites
that
are
selling
farm
sites
that
are
selling
direct
to
the
consumers
and
some
that
are
holding
agricultural
festivals
and
other
educational
events
next
slide.
I
Businesses
and
the
direct
to
consumer
aspect
is
key
and
his
real
challenge
that
the
work
group
focused
on
the
chart
is
showing
the
various
levels
of
public
access
that
are
typically
seen
at
value-added
fight,
as
well
as
listing
the
various
limitations
and
regulations
that
can
be
relevant
and
again
a
real
challenge
of
this
project.
Centered
on
these
public
interactions
and
the
various
rules
that
apply
next
slide,
the
work
group
was
composed
had
27
members
as
well
as
planning
staff.
We
met
seven
times,
seven
meetings
from
june
through
september.
I
Some
were
full
group
meetings
and
there
were
some
smaller
breakout
group
sessions
as
well
and
in
addition,
we
gathered
members,
input
and
comments
between
and
after
the
meeting,
and
as
you
can
see
here,
we
had
representative
farm
businesses,
consultants
and
community
groups.
Next
slide,
we
had
external
agency
representatives
next
slide.
I
Representatives
from
county
agencies
next
slide
and
planning
staff
as
well
and
next
slide,
so
the
recommendations
and
the
input
that
came
from
the
work
group,
we
categorized
into
four
main
categories
that
we
will
go
into
more
detail
on.
The
categories
were
uses
and
definitions,
codes,
clarity
and
processes,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
joe
to
discuss
the
analysis
and
the
recommendations
related
to.
J
You
good
evening,
chairman
and
members
of
the
board.
My
name
is
joseph
wiley,
I'm
a
planner
for
the
department
of
planning.
So
in
our
analysis
we
started
looking
at
12
other
jurisdictions.
We
looked
at
three
here
in
maryland:
carroll
county,
frederick,
county
and
montgomery
county,
and
we
reached
our.
J
Excuse
me
in
the
research
we
looked
into
the
different
zoning
regulations:
examples
if
they
allowed
weddings
breweries
in
them.
If
agriculture
buildings
had
exemption
processes
or
if
they
were
fully
exempt,
or
they
allowed
special
exceptions
and
also
if
there
were
any
kind
of
changes
in
the
building
codes
and
also
if
we
could,
we
also
looked
to
see
if
they
allowed
they
had
ombudsmans
or
dedicated
agricultural
websites,
and
then
we
compiled
them,
but
they
are
listed
out
in
the
the
report.
J
In
that
we
kind
of
felt
a
corresponding
theme
throughout
all
the
different
counties.
We
kind
of
proposed
three
different
levels
of
uses
in
our
from
our
research.
If
we
can
go
to
the
next,
please.
J
So
in
these
three
uses
we
have
three
different
levels.
We
propose
that
level,
one
be
commercial
agriculture.
We
would
like
to
propose
this
as
to
be
currently
as
it
is
defined
in
the
bccr
kind
of
break
that
down
it's.
If
you're
growing,
harvesting,
storing,
processing
of
materials
grown
or
livestock
raised
on
site,
everything
would
be
allowed
by
rate
public
access.
J
J
J
So
we
would
like
to
limit
these
to
farm
or
forest
related
events
such
as
hayrides
farm
visits,
roadside
stands
or
the
biggest
change
would
be
to
value
added
items
or
craft
beverages
with
a
limitation
of
50
people
that
would
be
on
the
property
not
just
in
a
building.
J
This
would
be
the
agricultural
commercial
agriculture
is
defined
in
level,
one
plus
the
public
access
and
activities
permitted
in
level
two,
but
these
also
would
include
writing
stables
and
equestrian
centers
and
any
value-added
items
or
craft
beverages.
That
would
allow
greater
than
50
people
on
the
property
and
also
allow
non-agricultural
festivals,
but
these
would
need
a
special
exception
from
the
county.
J
K
Next,
thank
you
joe.
This
is
wally
lippincott,
also
planner
in
the
department
of
planning
and
thank
you
megan.
So
I'm
gonna
pick
up
with
the
codes,
and
I
particularly
want
to
thank
john
bryant
lieutenant
day
fire
department
and
kevin
addicts
on
the
codes.
K
K
However,
most
of
those
are
not
useful
to
current
agricultural
practices
with
the
large
size
of
the
equipment,
the
tractors
and
harvesters
and
all
that
kind
of
material
equipment.
So
you
know
if
if
there
isn't
an
adaptive
reuse
for
these
buildings,
then
then
a
lot
of
them
are
just
going
to
fall
down.
K
At
the
same
time,
as
indicated
in
the
resolution,
we
have
to
make
sure
that
there
is
public
safety
is
protected
for
people
to
utilize
these
buildings,
so
the
county
again
has
tried,
in
an
earlier
resolution,
5719
to
piggyback
on
the
state
code
which
allows
exemption
for
ag
buildings
for
agritourism,
we're
calling
it
value-added
for
up
to
200
people
and
the
county
expanded
that
to
300
people.
However,
this
didn't
really
solve
all
the
other
issues
in
the
codes
in
the
building
code,
so
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
K
All
right
so
and
as
many
of
you
know,
who
involved
in
the
building
industry
much
more
so
than
several
of
us
buildings-
and
this
is
an
example
on
your
right
of
boardi
and
again,
you
can
just
see
these
the
the
beauty
of
these
iconic
buildings
in
baltimore
county
that
we're
really
lucky
to
have
and
and
again
how
great
an
opportunity
there
are
is
to
reuse
them
and
let
the
public
enjoy
and
have
access
to
the
countryside
that
the
county
has
invested
significantly
in
protecting,
so
buildings
are
governed
and
the
types
of
codes
are
governed
by
several
things.
K
One
is
a
use
group.
There
is
no
use
group
for
an
agricultural
building,
but
ag
buildings
incorporate
several
different
types
of
activity.
They're
multi-purpose
generally
use
their
storage
and
office
mercantile
manufacturing
assembly.
So
in
determining
which
codes
to
apply
you
can
see
that
they
would
be
numerous.
So
one
of
the
suggestions
is
there
be
developed
an
agricultural
building
specific
code
use
code
for
that
per
for
that
category
next
slide,
please
now
the
next
two
is
buildings
are
given
an
occupancy
load,
and
this
has
a
great
deal
to
do
with
particularly
fire
codes.
K
K
The
challenge
here
is
that
the
physical
dimension
of
these
buildings,
if
you
go
strictly
on
that
for
determining,
I
can
see
low,
which
is
the
way
it's
typically
done-
that
can
greatly
exceed
the
intent
of
that
particular
grower
producer
and
can
ultimately
result
in
economic
requirement,
requirements
for
elevators
fire
other
fire
things
such
as
sprinklers
and
and
other
doors
and
etc.
K
That
could
exceed
the
financial
ability
of
the
business
to
make
a
goal
of
it.
So
this
is,
of
course
again.
There
is
no
suggestion
to
diminish
public
safety,
but
the
question
is:
can
we
find
a
way
to
address
occupancy
load
that
really
reflects
on
the
proposed
use,
not
on
that
physical
dimension
of
that
building
and
the
third
one
is
just
the
international
building
codes
in
general.
There
are
a
lot
of
references
in
the
code
they're,
not
necessarily
clear
about
that.
K
They
provide
a
an
experience
that
the
growers
really
tie
to
what
they're
doing
this
is
a
lavender
farm
you're,
looking
at
and
and
that
the
experience
of
people
to
come
out
and
harvest
or
or
to
use,
lavender
etc.
Is
what
it's
all
about
in
this
new
agricultural
business
next
slide.
Please.
K
All
right,
the
other
category
of
ag
buildings
is
new
new
buildings,
so
we've
had
exemption
for
new
buildings,
agricultural
buildings
for
quite
some
time-
and
this
came
out
of
some
challenges
and
discussions.
We
had
again
10
15
years
ago
and
it
was
resolved
to
have
an
ex
general
exemption
for
a
new
agricultural
building.
K
Unfortunately,
and
somewhat
recently,
we've
had
issues
with
this.
We've
had
folks
who
have
very
limited
amount
of
agriculture
on
their
property
or
in
their
proposed
building.
Taking
advantage
of
this,
this
exemption
and
avoiding
a
building
permit
and
then
in
in
so
doing,
they
often
are
not
locating
the
building
correctly,
with
respect
to
septic
or
well
or
even
step
backs
to
streams,
etc.
K
K
K
So
the
committee
work
group
considered
three
remedies.
First
was
to
try
to
close
the
loopholes
by
rewording,
the
existing
exemption,
which
is
broad
the
second
to
require
a
notification
form
to
be
submitted,
which
is
done
in
some
other
jurisdictions.
K
As
joe
described,
we
found
that
frederick
county
requires
a
notification
and,
thirdly,
was
to
require
an
approval
process
next
slide,
please
so
for
the
closing
the
loophole,
what
we
proposed-
and
we
really
think
this
will
reduce
a
significant
amount
of
the
folks
who
are
avoiding
going
through
the
typical
permit
process,
so
basically
we're
proposing
that
the
words
exclusively
for
commercial
agriculture
and
primarily
for
agricultural
production,
be
added
to
that
exemption.
K
Okay,
next
slide.
Please,
then
the
second
will
be
for
a
notification,
so
that
folks,
who
are
who
are
applying,
provide
a
worksheet
and
we'll
be.
This
will
be
kept
on
record
and
they
would
be
signing
and
indicating
that
this
would
be
prince
again,
corresponding
with
the
language
new
language
that
would
be
for
principally
used
for
agriculture,
and
that
is
indeed
on
a
farm,
and
they
would
also
provide
perhaps
a
I
mean,
a
sketch
plan
of
the
floor
plan.
So
it
could
be.
You
know
we
would
have
that
on
record.
K
There
was
a
general
consensus
for
the
notification.
There
was
no
dissent
at
all
for
the
exemption
language
for
the
third
condition
of
requiring
approval.
However,
there
were
objections,
principally
by
the
commercial
I
want
to
say
commodity
type,
agriculture
and
and
as
well
as
the
nursery
business
folks
so,
but
that
proposal
that
was
discussed
was
to
require
an
approval,
but
that
is
not
recommended
in
the
report
at
this
time.
The
consensus
is,
let's
you
know,
work
with
these
first
two
and
see
if
we
can
solve
the
issues
of
protecting.
K
Please
again,
as
megan
alluded
to
in
the
beginning,
was
the
clarity.
So
when
the
clarity
is
for
again,
we
want
to
encourage
these
agricultural
businesses.
We
want
to
get
them
in
baltimore
county.
We
see
that
they're
occurring
in
other
counties.
We
want
to
be
competitive.
K
We've
got
a
great
set
of
rural
resources,
so
we
want
people
to
be
able
to
easily
access
where
they
can
find
out
informations
for
grants
for
the
process,
and
to
do
that,
it's
recommended
that
the
county
have
a
website
that
helps
develop
a
guide
people
to
to
what's
really
to
what
are
what
we
can
do
to
assist
them
in
locating
in
baltimore
county,
and
the
second
from
a
process
would
be
is
to
propose
to
reinstitute
an
ombudsperson
for
many
years.
K
Baltimore
county
had
a
part-time
employee
in
the
economic
development
who
was
specialized
in
agriculture,
so
that
is
being
suggested
to
be
occur
again
and
that
that
person
have
an
agricultural
background
and
also
that
that
person
be
spends
some
portion
of
their
time
at
the
agricultural
center,
so
they're
readily
accessible
to
the
ag
community
next
slide,
please.
K
So
the
report
that
we
have
in
front
of
you
again
is
sketching
out
the
things
that
we
are
hoping
that
you
will
support
and
then
that
council
will
then
also
support
and
therefore
direct,
that
there
will
be
a
a
pro
tem
type
committee
that
will
then
get
into
the
details
of
things
such
as
joe
referenced
into
developing
actual
standards
for
conditional
use
permits
and
to
get
into
the
code
information
which
is
quite
involved,
and
we
would
hope
that
those
would
include
all
the
representatives
of
the
different
agricultural
industries
as
well
as
community
groups
and
other
interested
folks.
K
So
at
that
time,
that
concludes
our
presentation.
We'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
comments.
Any.
F
Yes,
thank
you.
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
agricultural
building.
You
know
the
possibility
that
it
wouldn't
have
to
go
through
a
process,
an
approval
through
code
enforcement,
since
they
any
agriculture,
cultural
building
at
any
time
could
be
converted
in
the
future.
F
You
know
through
this
after
this
legislations
and
that
if
this
legislation
is
enacted,
you
know,
but
by
that
time
the
proverbial
horse
will
have
left
the
barn
and
now
you've
got
a
building
that
wasn't
intended
to
be
used
for
events
or
you
know
other
public
purposes
that
is
too
close
to
a
stream
and
is
to
you
know
out
of
compliance
for
for
general
public
use.
I
mean
at
that
point.
Would
you
prohibit
that
landowner
from
using
that
building
for
a
for
repurposing
that
building
it
say
it's
the
next
landowner.
K
Right
they
would
have
to
meet
all
the
requirements
for
whatever
that
additional
use
would
be.
So
if
it's
a
conditional
use
they'd
have
to
go
through
meeting
those
standards
that
were
developed
for
it
or
if
it
requires
a
special
exception,
then
they're
going
to
have
to
go
through
all
those
they're
going
to
have
to
meet
the
environmental
standards,
the
zoning
standards
and
all
the
building
code
standards
for
people
to
occupy.
K
So
I
hear
you,
you
know
we
heard
hear
your
concern.
As
I
said,
the
commercial
lag
was
you
know,
spoke
and
have
for
things
like
greenhouses
and
large
equipment
sheds
have
sought
and
retained
that
and
we're
proposing.
They
retain
that
right
of
that,
a
for
an
ag
building.
K
Well,
actually,
that's
this.
We
use
this
same
techniques.
I
wish
I
could
say
we
were
creative
back
when
we
had
issues
with
the
nursery
operations
which
also
changed
the
industry
changed
dramatically
15
years
ago,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
there
were
conflicts
with
truck
traffic
to
adjacent
neighbors.
K
K
So
when
the
property's
posted,
if
anyone
has
an
issue
or
if
an
accounting
agency
has
an
issue,
then
it
does
go
to
a
hearing,
but
we
are
not
we're
not
suggesting
that
the
more
intensive
uses
have
a
large-scale
brewery
or
a
large-scale.
You
know
what
would
be
a
riding
stable
that
would
take
on
a
lot
of
people
and
potentially
have
a
lot
of
traffic.
Those
would
continue
to
go
through
the
special
exception
process
to
provide
a
customized
type
of
conditions
depending
upon
the
site
conditions.
F
Well,
I
was
recently
at
a
corn
maze
in
frederick
county,
which
was
you
know.
Fortunately,
for
them
it
was
located
right
at
near
the
route
70
exit
240a
near
frederick,
so
you
know
it
wasn't
traveling
through
back
roads
or
anything,
but
on
a
saturday
it
there
must
have
been
almost
a
thousand
people
there.
Is
that
something
that
this
this
bill
is
com
will
cover?
How
will
that
bill
cover
that.
K
Well,
that's
a
that's
a
good
question.
We
certainly
hope
that
our
businesses
will
be
successful,
although
that,
right
that
nut
level
could
over
you
know,
could
exceed
some
of
the
capabilities.
The,
as
I
said
in
the
conditional
use
situation,
what
they've
done
in
virginia,
particularly
for
the
horse
operations,
is
they've
said
that
the
access
to
the
operation
has
to
be
often
either
an
arterial
or
a
collector
road.
So
that
would
avoid
what
you're
talking
about
you
know.
K
If
everybody's
going
to
travel
down,
you
know
a
road,
that's
got
50
people
living
on
it
and
and
clog
up
their
street
and
jeopardize
their
quality
of
life.
Or
you
know
those
things
would
be
addressed
through
that
conditional
use
standard.
So
these
point,
your
points
are,
are
excellent
and
that's
why
we
we
say
that
this
really
needs
to
have
a
great
deal
more
work
done
to
flesh
out
these
details
and
that's
where
that
pro
tem
committee
and
they
would
come
back
with
legislation
through
you
all
into
the
council.
B
K
Right
plus,
we
want
your
blessing
that
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction,
so
the
the
points
that
were
just
raised
by
mr
wolfson
are
very
are
very
important.
You
know,
if
there's
you
know
feeling
that
you
know
we're
going
in
the
wrong
direction.
Let's,
let's
pick
let's
get
into
that
now
and
redirect
I.
H
A
And
I'm
very
I'm
very
thankful
that
you're
allowing
farms
to
expand
on
what
they
did
in
the
past,
like
boardies
and
other
vineyards
to
have
events,
because
it
really
helps
the
mountain
supports
them.
A
lot.
B
That
was
the
number
that
was
in
the
presentation.
Wally.
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
that?
I'm
sorry
I
couldn't
hear.
I
couldn't
hear
the
question.
The
question
was
in
the
presentation.
You
noted
that
agriculture
accounts
for
300
million
dollars
in
baltimore's
baltimore
county's
economy,
and
my
thought
mr
halpka
is
is
that
is,
is
that
is
that
an
understatement
is
that
was
your
your
question.
B
And
so
the
second
part
was:
if
300
million
dollars
is
the
impact,
what
is
baltimore
county's
economy?
What
is
the
denominator.
K
I'm
not
sure
I
know
the
distinction,
but
the
300
million
is
a
number
that
that
we've
used.
We
haven't
had
a
recent
economic
analysis,
but
that
number
is
based
upon
the
the
well.
The
state
of
maryland
does
a
economic
analysis
of
agriculture,
as
does
based
on
the
u.s
census,
which
is
updated
for
agriculture
every
five
years.
K
So
from
that
information
we
could
calculate
what
the
value
was
for
grain
production
nurseries,
horticulture,
but
and
one
of
the
biggest
parts
of
our
our
number
of
agriculture
is
horses
and
equine
and
thoroughbred
that
number
we
have
not
had
updated
in
many
many
years.
So
that's
an
estimate
so,
and
that
is
our
largest
economic
producer.
We
are,
we
do
not
have
in
there
the
value
of
the
value
added
so
again
don't,
and
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
good
to
do
an
economic
analysis
of
I
don't
know,
mr
hulipa.
H
H
K
Right,
I
don't
know
that
number
for
the
county
wide.
K
B
Get
that
number
for
you,
I
think,
that's
a
fair
question
and
we
ought
to
get
it
and
while
it
also
says
to
me,
we
need
to
get
an
updated
economic
impact
analysis
for
farming
and
that
number
should
probably
be
more
inclusive
of
the
value-add
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
do
not
take
into
consideration.
B
Currently
today.
That
sounds
like
a
number
that
is
used
for
what
I
would
call
traditional
farming
revenues.
If
you
will
and
there's
is
now,
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
taking
place
in
our
northern
county
up
county
western
county
areas.
So
thank
you.
A
C
A
B
Agree:
yeah
any
other
questions
of
mr
lippincott
or
his
colleagues,
mr
schweitzer.
L
Got
a
question-
and
this
is
probably
I'm
just
just
asking-
because
it's
probably
really
right
out
there
on
the
tote
and
on
a
periphery.
But
what
we're
talking
the
presentation
here
very
interesting
and
very
informative
for
the
for
the
established
florists
and
nurseries
that
are,
in
the
you
know
not
they're,
actually
away
from
they're
they're
in
a
more
dense
densely
populated
area
of
baltimore
county.
L
Does
this
have
any
impact
whatsoever
on
on
their
operations
or
their
expansions
in
terms
of
what
the
requirements
are.
M
L
Okay
and
that
that's
a
good
thing,
good,
no
is
good.
I
I
like
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
that's
fine,
I
just
I
just
I
wasn't
sure,
but
I
thought
I
need
to
ask.
K
But
it
is
it's
a
good
question.
It
is
interesting.
I
don't
know
how
many
people
know
how
how
large
the
florist
industry
the
flower
industry
was
in
baltimore
county.
You
know
much
like
even
like
the
dairy
dairies.
It
is
interesting
that
there
are
many
of
these
small
farms,
and
I
appreciate
the
point
about.
Maybe
we're
underestimating
the
economic.
K
A
lot
of
the
small
farms
are
getting
back
into
selling
fresh
flowers,
their
place,
farmers
markets,
you
can
get
fresh
flowers
and
there
are
some
folks
who
are
now
in
the
business
of
only
distributing
fresh
flowers,
and
we
have
currently
a
request
from
one
of
our
perennial
producers,
who's
trying
to
move
into
shipping
more
and
packaging
and
making
sure
everything
gets
on
out
on
the
web.
K
B
So
board
members
I
want
to
do
this.
We
usually
go
right
into
public
testimony.
I've,
given
everyone
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
begin
asking
wally
questions
now.
You'll
have
another
opportunity
before
we
take
a
vote,
but
I
do
want
to
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
share
any
comments
that
they
have.
B
So
I
will
call
on
those
who
have
completed
the
online
registration
posted
on
the
board's
website
to
speak
on
this
topic
in
the
order
that
you've
registered
those
who
wish
to
provide
written
testimony
during
the
hearing
and
do
so
by
typing.
Your
comment
to
the
host
in
the
chat
box
and
the
comments
will
be
read
to
the
board
members
during
the
hearing.
Please
refer
to
the
on-screen
instructions
for
entering
comments
and
procedures.
For
speaking
during
the
hearing
speakers,
please
please
remember
to
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes
or
less.
B
We
have
four
persons
who
have
signed
up
in
accordance
with
our
rules
this
evening,
I'll
read
each
of
their
names
and
ask
them
to
be
prepared
to
speak
after
the
person
in
front
of
you
miss
teresa
moore
from
the
valley's
planet.
Council
renee
from
the
manor
conservancy
lynn
jones
sparks
glenn
sparks
glencoe
community
planning,
council
and
kevin
addicts.
D
Okay,
mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
unmute
miss
teresa
moore
and
just
as
a
reminder,
all
speakers
have
two
minutes
to
speak
I'll,
say
time
and
at
the
time
please
wrap
up
your
comments.
Thank
you.
So
much
more.
N
Hello,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
also
had
the
opportunity
to
serve
on
the
committee
and
just
wish
to
commend
the
planning
staff.
They
really
did
a
good
job
in
a
relatively
short
amount
of
time,
and
I
was
able
to
put
this
out
to
my
board
and
I
got
some
quick
feedback
from
them,
but
I
was
glad
to
hear
tonight
from
wally
that
there's
going
to
be
this
recommendation
to
go
through
this
with
a
finer
comb,
because
that
was
pretty
much
the
the
feedback
I
got
from
people.
N
N
The
concern
is,
is
when
you
have
alcohol
consumption
and
public
access,
there's
just
a
lot
of
variables
there,
and
I
guess
the
concern
we
had
was,
and
I
wasn't
exactly
sure
how
this
was
meant
in
the
study,
because
they
said
it
was
going
to
be
smaller.
Events
and
promotional
events
would
be
by
conditional
use,
but
it
also
sounded
like
there
might
be
an
exemption
for
that.
N
So
I
thought
that
needed
some
clarification
and
we've
just
been
finding
that
in
practical
circumstances,
there's
a
lot
of
variation
on
what
people
interpret
to
be
small
or
an
event,
or
so
I
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
specificity,
and
I
think
what
wally
is
suggesting
that
we
flesh
out
the
details.
More
is
the
right
way
to
go.
Something
that's
not
addressed
in
the
report
is
amplified
music
and
the
amount
of
parking
and
and
those
were
were
brought
up.
I
know
under
a
malfeasance
easement
if
you're
a
brewery
or.
J
B
And
we
have
received,
we
have
received
a
letter
from
valley's
planning
council
that
has
been
distributed
to
the
members
of
the
board.
So
thank
you.
Miss
moore.
O
O
O
O
It
adversely
affects
many
of
the
neighbors
and,
while
it
might
be
considered
value-added
ad,
only
about
one
percent
of
the
farm
is
actually
devoted
to
growing
hops
for
the
beer,
while
seven
acres
are
devoted
to
parking
and
by
the
way,
this
property
also
has
baltimore
county
ag.
Easement
tasting
rooms,
sales
of
finger
foods
and
events
to
promote
craft
beverages
should
continue
to
require
special
exceptions.
O
J
Just
for
clarification,
the
buy
right
that
that
we
proposed
for
alcohol
is
production
and
for
sales
to
take
off
site,
we're
not
proposing
buy
right
any
tasting
rooms,
so
we're
proposing
somebody
want
to
brew
a
beer
and
somebody
could
come
buy
it,
take
it
home
and
drink
it.
So
thank.
B
B
P
Oh
good
well,
thank
you
very
much
for
for
hosting
this
meeting
and
for
all
the
work
you
and
your
staff
have
done
up
to
this
point.
I
think
agriculture
really
needs
to
be
well
thought
out
as
to
how
we're
going
to
move
forward.
P
I'm
representing
sparks
glencoe,
and
we
did
have
some
issues
which
basically
were
mirrored
by
bali's
planning
and
rene.
We
we
would
like
any
kind
of
alcohol
processing
to
continue
to
be
a
special
exception.
It's
truly
the
only
chance
that
any
neighbors
have
as
a
forum
to
express
their
concerns.
P
We
also
think
a
limitation
of
the
winery
and
breweries
would
have
to
be
available.
The
best
place
to
hear
each
individual
case
is
at
the
alj
level.
We
wish
that
live
music
loud,
live,
music
crowd,
size
and
traffic
would
all
be
part
of
the
the
format
for
figuring
this
out.
P
P
So
so
the
county
really
has
nothing
to
fall
back
on
to
as
far
as
their
own
regulations
they
can
with
their
zoning.
But
it's
it's
a
big
question
mark
out
there
already.
We.
We
think
that
the
entire
neighborhood
should
be
considered
for
residential
density
and
historic
value
of
the
area.
P
Q
Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
the
ability
to
address
the
group
kevin
addicts
with
growing
fortify,
I'm
a
baltimore
county
resident,
but
also
represent
value-added
agricultural
entities
throughout
the
state.
I
want
to
thank
the
planning
board
for
their
work.
It's
it's.
What
they
have
done
in
the
analysis
of
other
jurisdictions
far
exceeds
what
we
have
seen
in
recent
years
with
other
jurisdictions
who
have
revised
their
code.
So
it's
it's
commendable
that
they're
looking
around
and
not
not
trying
to
reinvent
the
wheel
all
by
themselves.
Q
They've
they've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
these
committee
and
ad
hoc
committee
meetings
trying
to
address
all
the
concerns
that
have
just
been
expressed
by
the
previous
three
speakers.
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
the
permitted
use
in
this
proposal
is
for
alcohol.
Product
includes
alcohol
production
and
the
selling
of
product
akin
to
any
other
farm
stand.
There's
no
public
accommodation,
there's
no
on-site
consumption,
so
it
it.
It
creates
a
new
allowance
and
use
very
different
from
what
is
currently
under
the
special
exception
process.
Q
So
I
think
it's
very
important
to
give
alcohol
agricultural
all
agricultural
producers,
the
ability
to
can
their
tomatoes
bottle
their
beer,
whatever
it
might
be,
without
having
to
go
through
the
owner's
special
exception
once
it
begins
to
impact
the
community
where
their
plans
begin
to
in
terms
of
public
accommodation,
certainly,
music
parking,
etc.
Then
it's
completely
reasonable
to
take
it
through
a
public
hearing,
I'm
putting
in
the
comment
box
a
study
that
our
group
created
this
year.
B
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
document
with
us,
mr
addicts
and
chris
we'll
capture
that
and
make
sure
everyone
at
least
has
a
link
to
it
and
correspondent
board
members
in
preparation
for
our
next
meeting
and
our
vote
that
ends
of
the
public.
Testimony
for
this
evening
were
there
any
other
written
comments.
Chris
that
came.
B
B
D
This
is
chris.
I
just
want
to
share
with
the
board
something
that
mr
mayhew
brought
up,
and
it
goes
back
to
mr
hilupka's
question
on.
I
think
the
size
of
the
economy
for
baltimore
county,
mr
mayhev.
If
you
want
to
comment
on
this
document
that
we're
looking
at.
M
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
try
to
respond
real
quickly
to
mr
holapka's
request.
This
is
five
years
old,
but.
B
Figure
for
the
impact
of
our
agricultural
economy
as
a
contributor
to
baltimore
county's
gdp.
B
M
B
Right
once
again,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
who
came
out
to
speak
this
evening.
This
was
a
lively
conversation
on
our
two
issues,
so
I
appreciate
the
board's
engagement
and
we'll
consider
these
comments
from
this
evening
for
our
vote
on
november,
the
19th
there
aren't
any
other
comments
from
board
members
adjourn
this
public
hearing
and
I
thank
you
all
once
again
for
participating
have
a
wonderful
evening.