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A
Mrs
tracy,
are
there
any
chase
changes
to
the
tentative
agenda.
D
A
A
matrix
design
group
has
been
retained
by
the
department
of
planning
to
provide
analysis
and
of
future
projects
for
the
new
retail
office
and
industrial
construction
in
baltimore
county
for
the
next
10
years.
Please
join
us
in
welcoming
welcoming
mr
schwab,
and
please
mute
yourself
if
you're,
not
speaking,.
H
Thank
you,
nancy.
I'm
I'm
happy
to
be
here
for
those
you
who
recall,
I
provided
a
we
presented
a
few
months
ago
just
to
give
a
an
introduction
as
to
who
we
are
and
what
we
were
tasked
to
do
and
as
nancy
had
mentioned,
we
are
I'm
mesh
well
with
matrix
design
group
and
we
are
working
very
closely
with
the
county
on
providing
10-year
projections
for
retail
office
and
industrial,
slash
flex,
commercial,
real
estate
product.
H
So
today
what
we've
done
is
we
have
our
our
forecasts
in
place
and
rather
than
putting
together
a
traditional
and
static
report,
what
we've
done
is
we've
worked
with
our
county
to
put
together,
what's
called
a
story
map,
and
so
it's
essentially
it's
a
website
that
lays
out
our
findings
and
our
methodologies.
H
It
breaks
the
things
out
by
region,
and
so
it
really
has
all
the
information
that
we've
compiled
over
the
last
well
several
months
now
and
we'll
be
sharing
that
website
with
you
after
over
the
course
of
the
next
couple
of
weeks
once
that
becomes
final.
H
Okay,
fantastic
all
right.
So
what
we've
done
here,
we've
created,
what's
called
a
story
map
and
a
story
map
is
essentially
a
website
that
has
a
lot
of
gis
capabilities
and
it's
just
an
easier
way.
It's
an
easier
way
to
search
the
the
study.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
certain
regions,
you
can
jump
to
those
very
quickly
if
you're
interested
in
certain
commercial
real
estate
such
as
retail,
you
can
jump
to
those
very
quickly.
So
I'm
going
to
just
walk
through
that
functionality.
H
I'm
going
to
talk
through
the
executive
summary
as
I
as
I
mentioned,
and
then,
if
there's
any
questions
on
at
the
end,
if
somebody
is
interested
in
a
particular
region,
we
can
kind
of
jump
to
that
region
and
talk
through
that
a
little
bit
as
well,
so
without
without
any
other
questions,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
here.
So
you
can
see
here.
This
is
the
intro
to
the
it's
a
little
story
map,
so
baltimore
county
master
plan.
H
Our
job
here
was
to
forecast
commercial,
real
estate
and
essentially
the
way
this
works
is
you
can
click
on
any
one
of
these
tabs
and
then
you
just
simply
scroll
down,
and
this
is
the
introduction
tab.
So
this
will
kind
of
just
tell
you
exactly
what
the
study's
about
the
regions
that
we
discussed
and
then
the
sections
for
each
region
and
then
all
you
do
really.
Is
you
just
go
from
you
know
you
can
start
from
go
from
left
to
right
or
if
you
just
want
to
jump
into
a
particular
region.
H
H
Now,
a
lot
of
these
trends
that
we're
experiencing
now
really
started
before
covid,
obviously
covet
has
has
really
accelerated
certain
trends,
particularly
in
the
retail
sphere,
but
also
in,
but
really
it
has
ripple
effects
across
office
and
industrial
and
flex
as
we'll
discuss
here
in
a
second.
So
you
just
simply
click
on
that
tab,
and
then
this
is
that
this
is
essentially
a
literature
review
and,
if
you're
interested
in
a
particular
product,
you
can
just
click
on
that
particular
chapter
heading
and
you
can
just
jump
to
it
and
really.
H
This
is
all
just
a
narrative
and
you
just
simply
scroll
down,
and
we
have
all
of
our
sources
cited.
You
know
really
with
this.
This
chapter
is
really
more
about
a
national
perspective
and
what
what's
going
on
at
each
product
type
across
the
nation,
so
it's
not
specific
to
baltimore
county,
but
you
as
we'll
discuss
a
lot
of
these
trends
are
absolutely
impacting
baltimore
county.
H
Then
what
we've
done
is
we
have
six
regions
here
and
you
can
just
simply
click
on
those
regions
as
well,
and
you
can
jump
to
anything
that
you
may
be
interested
if
you're,
just
interested
in
if
you're
interested
in
the
southwest
region,
which
we'll
show
a
map
up
here
and
you
can
click
on
the
southwest
region
and
if
you're
just
interested
in
the
10
year,
projections
for
office
space,
you
can
click
on
that
header
right
there
and
it'll
bring
you
to
our
projection
screen
where
it'll
have
a
graph
and
it'll
have
a
narrative
that
kind
of
speaks
to
the
graph
and
it
essentially
it's
a
very
detailed
for
each
region.
H
There
are
very
detailed
numbers
put
together,
so
we
won't
have
time
to
go
through
each
one
today,
there's
roughly
220
charts
on
this
website.
So
it's
a
it's
very
detailed,
but
there
is
narrative
that
goes
along
with
each
one
of
these
charts,
so
at
your
leisure
you'll,
be
able
to
kind
of
go
through
here
and
and
really
look
at
information
that
is
specific
to
you.
H
So,
starting
with
the
just
going
to
jump
right
into
the
executive
summary
here
we
like.
I
said:
we've
got
chapter
headings
here
that
you
can
jump
to
we're
going
to
jump
into
the
intro,
and
so
what
we've
done
in
support
of
the
2030
master
planning
effort.
We
were
tasked
with
breaking
out
the
county
by
six
regions,
as
we
mentioned
here,
you
can
see
how
those
delineations
work
out
we
have.
The
six
region
is
up
here
to
the
top.
H
This
is
the
northern
region,
and
really
we
tried
we,
we
identified
these
regions
working
with
the
county
and
we
grouped
these
together
by
census,
track
keeping
taking
into
consideration
the
hurdle
right
and
the
development
restrictions
inside
the
urtle,
so
we're
really
focusing
within
the
hurdle
itself,
yes
in
the
the
northern
region
and
certainly
outside
of
that
hurdle,
but
this
is
something
the
county
was
interested
in
us
taking
a
look
at
so
we
went
ahead
and
provided
projections
for
that
as
well
and
on
this
map
we
have
each
of
these
regions
broken
out.
H
We
map
out
all
of
the
commuter
lines,
so
the
mta
commuter
line
the
railroads
bus
lines,
and
then
you
can
see
here
where
we've
got
just
each
one
of
the
regions
and
the
shade
in
which
they're
they're
colored
and
so
so
going
scrolling
down.
H
I'm
just
going
to
jump
right
into
our
projections,
and
so
our
first
projection
is
looking
at
retail
use.
Now,
retail
is
a
very
broad
use.
There's
a
significant
amount
of
sub-sectors
within
there.
There's
grocery
stores,
there's
food
and
restaurants.
There's
electronic
stores,
there's
there's
the
malt
traditional
mall
type
uses
there's
automotive
in
here.
So
there
really
are
several
components
in
here
and
our
task
was
to
aggregate
those
together
to
look
at
net
new
demand.
H
So
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
net
new
demand
for
retail
space
by
region.
We
have
our
regions
identified
below
central
is
in,
yellow
red
is
in
northwest
northeast
is
in
this
the
grayish
blue
area.
H
The
southeast
is
in
blue
and
the
southwest
region
is
in
a
brownish,
and
then
the
northern
region
is
more
of
a
navy
blue
here
and
what's
neat
about
this,
if
you're,
only
interested
in
a
certain
region
say
you're
interested
in
in
the
northwest
region,
which
is
in
red,
you
can
click
on
all
those
regions
that
you
you're
not
really
interested
in,
and
it
will
take
those
data
off
the
graph.
H
H
Okay,
so
now
what
we
mean
by
net
new
demand,
these
getting
our
terms
correctly,
is
very
important
in
understanding
these
net
new
demand
looks
at
gross
demand,
absolutely
absolute
demand
for
retail
product,
but
then
it
subtracts
out
the
vacant
space,
the
vacant
retail
space
that
is
currently
available
on
the
market,
so
some
regions
are
overbuilt.
Some
regions
have
a
lot
of
excess
property.
H
H
So
there
is,
there
will
be
gross
demand
in
every
region.
There's
always
demand,
there's
always
a
growing
population,
there's
always
growing
incomes.
Demographics
are
constantly
changing
within
these
regions.
So
that's
going
to
provide
demand.
What's
important,
though,
when
we
look
at
new
construction
or
new
development
is
whether
or
not
that
new
demand
is
going
to
absorb
what
we
call
currently
available
product
on
the
market,
so
starting
with
the
central
region,
we
see
negative
numbers
here
right.
So
that's
because,
right
now
the
central
region
has
roughly.
H
H
Essentially,
you
know
eight
years
from
now,
for
that
million
square
feet
to
be
absorbed
and
for
new
construction
to
be
triggered
by
2029
now.
The
reason
why
growth
is
slowing
down
is
the
growth
of
e-commerce
right.
E-Commerce
is
beginning
into
to
eat
into
some
of
the
the
demand
for
brick
and
mortar
brick
and
mortar
will
not
go
away.
H
There's
simply
a
reshuffling
of
how
brick
and
mortar
is
being
used,
and
what's
interesting,
though,
is
that
because
e-commerce
is
growing,
that
is
tran,
that
is
you're
simply
moving
demand
from
brick-and-mortar
retail
to
that
light,
industrial
product
or
flex
product
where
those
distribution
warehouses
can
be
established,
so
we'll
get
into
industrial
flex
here
in
a
second
but
the
regions.
So
all
regions
are
showing
positive
demand
for
brick
and
mortar
retail
by
2030..
The
re.
The
greatest
regions,
however,
are
by
2030.
The
central
is
looking
at
about
3.5
acres
of
retail
demand.
H
H
B
Question
is:
does
this
do
these
changes
in
demand
take
into
account,
for
instance,
in
in
any
in
all
the
areas
take
take
into
account
demolition
of
older
buildings
and
so
forth?
That
would
obviously
take
away
from
the
current
retail
space
available.
H
Right
so
so
this
with
this
assumes
a
baseline
at
2020
product
at
the
end
of
2020.
So
what's
currently
on
the
market
what's
currently
available
there,
it
does
not
assume
any
demolitions
that
could
occur
or
essentially
redevelopment
that
could
occur
over
the
course
of
the
next
decade.
We
just
don't
know
what
that's
going
to
look
like,
I'm
sure
it'll
happen.
H
Baltimore
county,
as
you
all
know,
is
a
mature
county
with
respect
to
its
development,
and
so
there
is
a
lot
of
redevelopment
opportunity,
but
that
doesn't
take
away
any,
even
if
you
were
to
demolish,
say
20
000
square
feet
or
a
million
square
feet
that
product
would
still
be
needed
to
come
back
on
market
right
in
order
to
fulfill
that
demand.
So
this
does
not
take
that
in
consideration,
because
we're
just
not
sure
if
it
will
happen
all
right.
H
H
now,
what's
what's
here's
the
complicating
factor
when
we
translate
that
to
translate
square
footage
to
acres
is
there's
what's
called
an
far
or
floor
barrier
right
and
different
based
off
of
different
zoning
criteria,
so
students
in
the
areas
have
a
higher
far
and
the
higher
the
far
typically
the
denser
the
development-
and
we
really
don't
see
this
in
in
in
retail
products
is
typically
retail
product
is
one
story
it's
at
the
bottom,
perhaps
it's
at
the
bottom
of
a
multi-story
building,
but
it's
normally
at
the
ground
level.
H
So
what
we
do
in
our
calculations
here
is,
we
simply
take
a
an
far
one
or
essentially
in
order
to
get
the
square
footage
you
adjust
and
I
can
provide
the
square
footage
for
you.
That's
an
easy
translation
for
you.
So
are
you
interested
in
a
particular
region.
B
E
I
I
H
And
so
todd,
so
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
point,
so,
typically
the
higher
the
far
that
we
would
use
if
there
was
a
2far.
That
means
your
floor
plate
would
be
much
smaller,
less
acres,
but
your
building
would
be
taller
right.
So,
as
you
tend
to
get
into
those
downtown
areas,
those
urban
cores
where
density
increases,
your
fars
tend
to
increase.
When
you're
in
a
suburban
region,
the
suburban
area,
those
fars
tend
to
be
much
lower,
they
tend
to
be
0.3
to
0.5,
and
then
that
means
there's
a
larger
acres.
I
H
So
any
other
questions
on
the
real
estate
on
the
retail,
and
I
just
want
to
stress
that
when
we
look
at
these
numbers,
the
negative
numbers
do
not
imply
negative
demand.
They
simply
imply
that
there's
an
excess
of
current
property,
that's
available
that
needs
to
be
absorbed
or
taken
off
the
market,
as
as
the
original
as
a
first
question
alluded
to
before,
a
new
product
needs
to
be
constructed.
H
H
The
reason
why
we
are
showing
negative
demand
for
industrial
product
within
this
within
the
southeast
region
is
because
currently
there
is
is,
is
close
to
three
million
square
feet
of
either
product,
that's
under
construction
or
it's
vacant
and
available
to
be
leased,
so
that
three
million
square
feet
would
need
to
be
absorbed
over
time
and
based
on
employment
projections
within
that
region,
and
we
can
kind
of
we
can
jump
to
the
southeast
region
and
really
get
into
the
specifics.
H
If
you'd
like,
what
we're
saying
is
essentially
that
three
million
square
feet
of
product
under
construction
versus
totally
available
is
a
sufficient
property
or
sufficient
amount
of
product
to
last
that
region
for
the
next
10
years,
so
the
developers
in
there
understand
what's
going
on
in
that
region.
They
understand
the
employment
growth
and
they're
building
to
that
over
the
next
decade.
H
The
two
regions
that
we
show
positive
demand
is
the
central
region
and
the
southwest
region.
Those
are
the
two
regions
that
will
have
that.
We're
projecting
a
positive
net
new
demand
for
industrial
and
flex
by
2030
and
what's
interesting
with
the
central
region,
is
because
the
population
density
there
because
of
the
households
there,
the
growing
industry-
that's
really
driving
this
much
like
southeast
region,
is
a
transportation
and
warehousing
so
as
as
the
amazons
of
the
world
as
they
begin
to
build
out
their
infrastructure,
their
networks.
H
H
I
I
guess
my
questions
are
around
where
you're
heading
with
that.
I
strongly
agree
that
transportation
is
the
major
driver,
but
is
the
supply
we
have
today
suited
to
do
the
warehousing
transportation
needs
of
today,
meaning
you
know
we
have
26
foot
ceilings
versus
36
foot
ceilings.
I
You
know
the
the
the
modern
warehouse
of
today
right
is
there
enough
of
that
or
is
there
still
the
the
manufacturer?
Is
the
old,
older
manufacturing
sites.
H
Yeah
so
great
question,
sir.
Well,
we
didn't
get
to
the
parcel
level
data
the
parcel
level,
so
we
didn't
identify
every
single
parcel
and
the
characteristics
of
that
parcel.
Our
projections
are
based
on
aggregate
data,
so
I
don't
have
a
clear
answer
for
you
on
that.
But
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that,
given
the
new
development
in
southeast
region,
right
sparrows
point
that
is
in
updated
warehousing,
those
are
that's
new
development
that
is,
that
is
development
for
the
next
30
years,
the
as
we
get
closer
to
the
residential
populations
and
the
central
product.
I
I
H
I
Didn't
go
in
line,
I
think,
depends
higher
than
what
you're
showing
to
be
honest
with
oh
really
yeah.
I
I
don't
think
I
think
that
especially
for
I
mean
I.
I
think
that
if
the
the
development
at
sparrows
point,
I
think
that's
going
to
be
used
up,
I
mean
amazon
puts
one,
you
know
100
000
or
million
square
hundred
million
square
foot
warehouse
or
whatever
the
heck.
These
huge
warehouses
they're
putting
in
I
mean
they
could
burn
through
a
ton
of
that
space
pretty
quickly.
So
right.
H
Now
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind,
though,
is
that
when
we
look
at
growth
and
that
employment
and
the
demand
for
new
product,
it
begins
to
taper
off
over
the
next
five
years.
The
next
five
years
is
really
that
heightened
demand
and
when
those
transportation,
when
those
those
distribution
hubs
become
built
out,
then
the
demand
begins
to
fall
off
a
little
bit.
H
K
I
would
comment
and
say
to
you
that
I'm
personally
aware
of
probably
close
to
1500
acres,
almost
2
000
in
harford
county
of
warehouse
logistics,
kind
of
space
that
will
be
coming
on
in
the
next
three
to
four
years.
So
as
well
as
we've
done
in
baltimore
county.
I
think
that
cecil
and
harford
have
also
done-
you
know
very
well
and
will
continue
to
push
for
it
because
they
tend
to
be
fairly
well
paying
jobs.
You
know
for
the
communities.
H
Yeah
and
that's
a
really
good
point,
sir,
because
it's
what's
interesting
as
employment,
you
know
as
automation,
takes
hold
in
some
of
these
industries,
transportation
and
warehousing
manufacturing.
Those
are
certainly
those
industries
that
are
going
to
become
automated
over
time.
Those
wages
certainly
increase.
So
a
warehouse
worker
10
years
ago
is
going
to
be
making
a
lot
more
money,
considerably
more
money
on
the
wage
side
of
the
scale
in
in
five
years
from
now,
because
they
almost
become
more
of
a
technician
and
less
of
a
laborer.
H
J
H
Yes,
sir,
so
so
here
and
I'll
show
you
real
quick,
so,
let's
hop
over
to
the
central
region,
then
we
can
go
down
to
the
office,
industrial
tenure
projections
and
in
fact,
let
me
just
really
quickly
show
you
walk
through
this.
So
for
each
of
these
products,
the
retail,
the
industrial
in
the
office,
the
layout
is
the
same
for
each
so
we
begin.
This
is
just
industrial.
We
begin
with
the
historical
real
estate
performance,
so
you
we,
we
show
you
the
rents
and
how
they've
changed
over
time.
H
Right,
increasing
rents
and
decreasing
availability
tends
to
generate
demand
right.
We
can
also
see
so
we
have
rents,
we
have
total
available
space
right.
So
in
this
particular
region,
industrial,
the
available
space
is
declining,
which
is
which
is
a
trigger
for
development
and
rents
are
beginning
to
increase,
even
though
they've
been
they
fluctuate
between
eight
and
ten
dollars
or
so
they're
on
an
upward
trend
through
the
first
quarter
of
2021..
H
So
we
were
at
about
just
over
10
million
square
feet
in
the
central
region,
for
industrial
flex,
in
2008
and
by
the
first
quarter,
the
end
of
the
first
quarter,
2021
we
were
at
just
we
were
just
over
9.7
million,
so
you
can
see
that
all
of
these
factors
contribute
to
new
demand
in
the
region:
less
product,
increasing
rents,
decreasing
availability
rates;
okay,
so
that's
all
a
trigger
for
new
development.
H
Then
we
talk
through
this.
This
is
a
net
absorption,
so
this
is
essentially
taking
into
consideration
those
firms
that
are
moving
in
and
moving
out
of
available
space.
So
you
can
see
here
where
it's
negative,
some
quartz,
some
quartz,
then
we
quickly
just
then
we
get
more
objections
and
I'm
going
to
answer
your
question
here,
sir.
H
We
talk
through
the
employment
composition
because
it's
employment
that
drives
industrial
flex,
product
and
office.
So
what
we're
showing
here
is
that
in
the
central
region
by
2030
in
blue,
the
transportation
and
warehousing
sector
is
going
to
increase
is
projected
to
increase
between
percent
or
just
shy
of
twenty
percent
nineteen
percent
to
twenty
six
percent.
H
So
that's:
what's
really
driving
the
demand
for
new
industrial,
it's
that
transportation
and
warehousing.
You
can
see
these
other
industries
that
also
drive
demand
for
this
type
of
product
are
mostly
going
to
be
declining
as
a
proportion
of
overall
employment,
and
that's
because
transportation
warehousing
is
really
just
that
fastest
growing
sector
within
this
product.
H
H
That
down
what
is
that?
What
does
that
mean
for
new
jobs?
What
we're
saying
here
is
that
in
the
central
region
there
are
projected
to
be
about,
I
think,
keep
in
mind.
These
are
estimates
so
about
500
jobs
in
2021,
net,
new
jobs
coming
online
for
transportation
and
warehousing,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
how
that
declines
over
times
and
begins
to
moderate
and
then
the
other
industries
that
we've
looked
at
are
construction,
professional,
scientific
and
technical
services.
So
these
are
your
research
type
facilities.
H
If
we're
utilizing
flex
space,
the
red
is
your
host
wholesale,
effective,
which
might
be
easier
here.
So
you
can
see
the
construction
manufacturing
in
yellow
wholesale
trade
in
red
transportation,
warehousing,
professional
scientific,
technical
services,
waste
management,
remediation
services
and
then
other
services,
which
is
kind
of
just
kind
of
a
catch-all
for
some
smaller
industries
and
then
and
then
this
is
the
gross
demand.
H
So
this
is
what
we're
suggesting
is
gross
demand
over
time,
so
by
2021,
we're
projecting
just
over
three
acres
using
our
far
using
our
four
area
ratio
and
then
that
begins
to
taper
off
over
time
as
well.
And
then
this
is
your
question,
sir.
So
this
is
the
information
that
we're
showing
here.
This
is
our
baseline
information.
H
So
what
we're
saying
is,
as
of
q4
2020,
there
was
727
square
feet
of
available
products,
including
what's
under
construction,
if
any,
which
means,
then
we
assume
a
10
frictional
vacancy
and
that's
just
kind
of
some
of
the
assumptions
that
we
use
in
our
forecast,
which
essentially
gets
us
to
we're
saying
here
we're
saying
that
650
000
square
feet
of
current
vacant
product
needs
to
be
absorbed
before
triggering
any
net
new
demand
and
then
and
then
what
currently
there
is
roughly
350
square
feet
per
worker
of
industrial
flex
product.
H
H
Now,
if
we
were
just
to
look
at
the
transportation
and
warehousing
industry,
this
assumption
would
be
closer
to
about
1500
square
feet
per
worker
because
they
just
don't
need
as
many
people
working
in
a
larger
facility
but
because
there's
a
whole
host
of
other
industries
that
are
driving
demand.
The
composite
assumption
is
500
square
feet,
so
these
are
that
baseline
information,
sir.
H
So
any
other
questions
on
the
industrial
or
flex
product,
and
I
apologize
my
light-
keeps
going
off
here,
any
other
questions
on
industrial.
We
can
get
to
office,
okay,
so
scrolling
down
to
office
and
again
you
can
either
scroll
down
or
just
click
on
the
subheader
there.
Okay
now
office
is
the
weakest
market.
Currently
and
what's
interesting
is
again,
there
is
going
to
be
net
new
demand,
there's
gross
demand
across
all
these
regions,
but
take
central,
for
instance,
which
has
the
highest
concentration
of
office
product
in
that
region.
H
There's
close
to
two
million
square
feet:
that's
currently
vacant,
that's
currently
available.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
product
out
there
that
needs
to
be
absorbed
over
the
next
10
years
and
based
off
of
current
employment
uses.
We
don't
there's
just
there's
just
not
enough
office
growth
in
the
region
to
absorb
all
that
product
which
would
require
new
construction
by
2030..
H
Any
thoughts
on
that
does
that
you
know
there's
a
combination
of
factors
here,
right,
there's
what's
currently
available
and
some
of
this
some
of
the
office
product.
You
know
one
of
the
trends
that
we're
seeing
across
the
country
is
that
some
of
the
office
product
is
being
trans
is
being
turned
into
multi-family.
H
H
That
would
increase
the
demand
for
net
new
product
if
that
product
is
converted
to
other
uses
such
as
multi-family.
H
H
And
so
yes,
sir,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
you
know,
one
of
the
ideas
that's
going
to
happen
or
one
of
the
ideas
that
a
lot
of
developers
are
having
now,
is
this
hub
and
spoke
concept
where
the
urban
core
is
your
hub
for
office,
but
because
of
covid
they
they
are
trying
to
make
this
argument
that
there
needs
to
be
more
of
spokes
that
reach
out
into
the
suburban
core.
H
So
with
that's
going
to
be
more
collaboration,
space
kind
of
like
the
wework
model,
where
folks
who
may
live
in
suburbia,
don't
have
to
necessarily
commute
as
are
to
the
urban
core.
They
can
access
shared
space,
it's
close
to
their
rest.
Take
that
into
account
the
one
thing,
though,
that
I
keep
seeing
and
it's
still
too
early
in
the
recovery
to
have,
I
think,
a
good
idea
of
this.
H
But
it's
a
mixed
bag
in
terms
of
the
industries
that
are
coming
back
to
the
office
relative
to
those
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
still
work
from
home
those
tech,
jobs.
We're
really
seeing
a
struggle
between
working
from
home
and
coming
back.
Google
at
first
announced
that
they
want
everyone
back.
Then
they
relax
that
a
bit
and
google
really
is
the
bellwether
right.
It's
a
proxy
for
protect
jobs,
but
the
financial
services
industry,
which
generally
tends
to
occupy
the
greatest
amount
of
office
space
you're,
seeing
the
big
banks
really
say.
H
No,
we
want
folks
back
in
the
office
now.
Does
that
mean
they're
going
to
be
there
for
five
days
a
week?
Probably
not
maybe
that's
going
to
be
closer
to
three
three
and
a
half
days
a
week,
but
there's
everything
that
we've
seen
all
the
developers
that
we've
talked
to.
They
really
believe
that
you
know
people
are
going
to
be
back
in
the
offices
over
the
next
several
years,
once
covig
becomes
kind
of
is
in
the
rear
view
mirror-
and
I
think
we're
already
seeing
some
of
that.
A
One
of
the
things
I've
noticed
around
the
towson
area
is
they've,
been
converting
some
of
the
office
space
into
apartments
and
they're
doing
extremely
well,
and
then
I
talked
to
one
of
our
property
owners
that
owns
quite
a
few
commercial
properties
in
the
area
and
we're
getting
a
big
influx
of
companies
from
downtown
that
want
somewhat
of
an
urban
environment
but
they're
moving
out
of
the
downtown
baltimore
area,
so
we're
seeing
an
increase
of
businesses
coming
from
there
yeah
and
another
thing
we
since
we
have
350
businesses
as
part
of
our
organization
that
I'm
hearing
is
for
new
people
working
at
home.
A
H
Yeah
and
nancy-
thank
you
for
that.
That's
that's!
What
we're
seeing
as
well
and
what's
interesting,
though,
is
really
how
much
of
of
the
industry
that
utilizes
baltimore
city
in
the
you
know
office
in
the
urban
core.
How
much
of
those
are
really
going
to
continue
to
move
out
into
the
future?
You
know
post
2008,
2009
recession.
There
was
this
trend
where
folks
were
coming
back
to
the
urban
cores.
There
was
this
urban.
H
Now,
with
covid,
you
see
a
lot
of
people
moving
out
of
those
urban
cores,
but
I
have
a
feeling
that
people
are
going
to
be
coming
back
to
those
urban
cores
or
maybe
over
the
next
several
years,
maybe
not
right
away,
but
I
think
that
I
just
think
that
the
younger
folks
want
to
be
in
those
denser
areas
higher
amenities,
which
is
why
the
opportunity
with
converting
some
of
this
excess
office
space-
and
I
think
the
central
region
is
primed
for
this,
because
they
have
such
excess
space
would
be
fantastic
not
only
for
office
but
also
for
the
retail
product
over
time.
H
So
that
could
very
well
accelerate
demand
over
time.
So,
even
though
we're
showing
no
net
new
demand,
if
that
can,
if
that
trend
really
takes
hold,
you
know
these
numbers
could
very
well
decline
over
time
and
we
could
see
positive
net
neutral
demand
by
the
middle
part
of
the
decade
or
or
middle
to
late
part
of
the
decade.
I
just
think
it's
too
early
to
be
able
to
tell
that
right
now,.
I
People
will
work
in
the
office
two
or
three
days
a
week.
They
won't
have
their
own
desk.
It'll
it'll
be
more
of
a
because
we
we
can't
put
people
in
cubicles
anymore.
It
doesn't
work
and
cove
it.
So
we
can't
do
these.
I
H
Yeah-
and
it
was
interesting-
you
know
one
you
so
the
urbana
land
institute
todd
if
you're
familiar
with
that
organization
or
any
of
the
planters
on
on
the
on
the
board.
It's
they
had
their
spring
meeting
in
march
of
this
year
at
the
end
of
march
and
obviously
we're
still
in
mitsuko.
The
vaccines
are
starting
to
come
about
now
and
or
these
really
starting
to
to
gain
popularity,
and
they
thought
there
was
the
the
argument
was,
is
how
is
coveted
going
to
impact
office
space?
H
What
is
that
going
to
look
like
from
a
percentage
change,
and
I
think
that
it,
you
know,
because
there's
going
to
be
less
people
in
the
office,
but
to
your
point,
sir,
the
the
greater
square
footage.
I
almost
think
it's
going
to
be
a
wash.
You
know,
I
do
think
it's
going
to
be
a
wash.
The
the
trend
was
declining
square
foot
per
worker
over
the
last
25
years,
went
from
about
500
square
feet
to
closer
to
150,
and
that
was
because
folks
are
just
kind
of
cramming
cram
and
employees
into
cubicles.
H
So
I
think
that
number
is
going
to
increase
over
time.
To
your
point,
sir,
but
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
net
wash
based
on
the
amount
of
people
that
are
going
to
be
coming
into
the
office
relative
to
that
size
increase.
H
So
any
other
questions
on
on
the
office
space
and
I
think
we're
kind
of
I
think
I
know
I've
pushed
my
my
time
limit
here.
So
I
apologize
nancy,
any
other
questions
before
we
wrap
up
or
or
do
I
have
any
do
we
have
any
additional
time
nancy.
A
Well,
we
we
have
about
15
more
minutes,
so
we
have
a
little
bit
more
to
the
agenda.
Are
you?
Are
you
pretty
much
done?
Matt.
C
I
I
just
have
a
comment
on
the
charts.
I
was
a
little
confused
because
the
regions
change
color
on
different
charts,
so
I
was
looking
for
central
was
blue
on
one
chart
and
then
on
this
one.
It's
oh.
C
Actually,
really
it's
blue
here
and
it
was
red
before
so.
I
was
looking
at
each
chart
as
you
were
going
through
them
and
I
was
trying
to
follow
along
and
I
was
confused,
but
I
see
where
you're
trying
to
make
the
longest
the
tallest
bar
be
yellow,
and
you
know
so
anyway.
It
might
be
easier
for
comprehension
of
people
like
me
that
want
to
see
a
consistent
color
for
the
regions.
C
L
H
That's
a
good
question.
I
I
would
have
to
defer
to
amy
on
that,
but
we
have
a
few
minor
tweaks,
any
comments
that
we
get
from
the
board
any
like.
We
just
got
right
there.
We
can
make
make
a
few
revisions,
that's
no
problem
and
that,
but
we
are
close
to
getting
it
wrapped
up
so
amy.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
you,
but
I
you
couple
weeks
from
now.
D
I
have
another
question,
madam
chair
are
we
this
is
great
information,
and
but
are
we
doing
the
same
thing
for
residential
in
terms
of
projections,
I'm
not
sure
matt.
If
you've
been
engaged
to
do
that.
A
E
J
H
J
J
H
Have
yeah
so
so
we
we
specif,
you
know
we,
we
looked
at
baltimore
county
specific.
We
did
not
provide
projections
for
the
remaining
regions
but,
like
I
said
we
did
consider
what
is
going
on
in
the
surrounding
region
and
what
would
leak
out
into
the
surrounding
region
versus
what
could
be
flowing
in
and
particularly
on
the
retail
space.
H
Well,
now
that
information
is
available,
the
county
does
have
access
to
that
information.
They
subscribe
to
a
fantastic,
very
powerful
database
co-star
and
all
that
information
can
be
pulled
out
of
that
in
that
database.
H
If
there
are
questions
one
thing
of
interest
and
I'll,
let
this
go
and
I'll.
Let
you
I'll
end
it
here.
The
demographic
growth
in
the
region,
so
population
household,
is
relatively
small.
There's,
not
a
significant
amount
of
growth.
On
that
end,
what's
really
driving.
What
I
was
surprised
to
see
was
that
you
have
a
much
larger
demand
on
the
employment
side,
the
industrial
side,
so
your
jobs
are
growing
much
faster
than
your
residential
regions
are
growing.
So
that
bodes
well
for
the
office
and
the
industrial
product.
A
A
H
H
H
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
bye-bye
have
a
good
day.
Miss
tracy.
Can
you
now
fill
us
in
on
the
report
from
the
july
8
2021
meeting
of
the
landmark
preservation
commission.
G
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
board,
at
the
july
8
20
2020
2021
meeting
the
lpc
voted
to
issue
three
certificates
of
appropriateness
to
the
following
properties:
the
heinrich
property
located
at
5124
to
5126
south
rolling
road
in
relay
the
davenport
schlegel
milch
property,
located
at
seven
wah
avenue
in
glendon
and
the
lock
property
located
at
722
howard
road
in
sudbury
park.
A
G
This
bill
includes
the
review
of
non-residential
and
residential
development
plans
within
the
honeygo
gateway
commercial,
revitalization
district.
This
also
designates
the
honeygo
gateway
commercial,
commercial,
revitalization
district
as
a
design
review
panel
area
within
the
cmdp
bill.
61-21
zoning
regulations,
dormitory
and
purpose-built
student
housing
for
the
purpose
of
providing
the
definitions
of
quotes,
dormitory
and
quotes
purpose-built
student
housing
in
the
baltimore
county
zoning
regulations.
G
Providing
supplemental
regulations
for
purpose-built
student
housing
bill
6221
zoning
regulations
uses
permitted
residential
development
proposals
existing
golf
and
country
clubs
in
this
rc-4
zone
for
the
purpose
of
authorizing
residential
development
when
certain
development
tracks
improved
with
a
golf
course
and
country
club.
In
the
rc-4
zone
resolution
86-21
amend
locals,
open
space
waiver
fees,
a
resolution,
a
resolution
to
amend
certain
local
open
space
waiver
fees,
particularly
related
to
tier
5
in
parentheses,
dormitories
and
purpose-built
student,
housing,
elderly
and
senior
housing
and
affordable
housing,
and
that
completes
the
report.
N
Sheriff
I
made
is
this
steve
lafferty?
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
bill.
61-21,
dormitories
and
purpose-built
student
housing
actually
is
adopted
by
the
council
in
its
bill.
Almost
word
for
word
from
the
planning
board
report
that
had
been
issued
subsequent
to
a
task
force
that
staff,
the
councilmen
and
others
where
they
participated.
A
I
A
D
I
A
E
A
Okay
once
again
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
baltimore
county
planning
board
public
hearing
for
the
cycle,
39
water
supply
and
sewage
master
planned
amendments.
This
public
hearing
is
now
called
to
order.
I'm
nancy
hafford
the
chair
of
the
baltimore
county
planning
board.
We
will
start
with
our
roll
call
for
our
members
of
the
board
when
your
name
is
called.
Please
say:
aye,
mr
switzer.
B
C
L
B
I
A
At
the
planning
board
meeting
of
june
17
2021,
mr
brian
bowkey
project
energy
engineer
for
baltimore,
county
department
of
public
works
and
transportation
introduced
the
cycle,
39
water
supply
and
sewage
master
plan
amendments.
Mr
boeke
is
here
to
further
present
the
cycle:
39
water
supply
and
sewage
master
plan
amendments
to
the
board,
mr
perluso,
his
design
chief,
is
also
in
attendance
and
here
to
answer
any
questions
the
board
may
have
after
the
presentation.
I
will
call
on
those
who
are
registered
to
testify.
A
L
I
A
L
Good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
brian
boeke.
I
am
from
the
baltimore
county
department
of
public
works
and
transportation.
I
presented
the
water
supply
and
sewage
plan
at
last
month's
meeting.
This
is
the
staff
report
to
the
baltimore
county
planning
board.
We've
had
one
petition
that
was
submitted
and
we'll
go
through
that
tonight.
I'm
not
going
to
take
as
much
time
as
they
did
last
time
since
most
of
the
folks
here
have
heard
it
already.
But
I'll
just
do
a
quick
recap
here.
So
next
slide.
Please.
L
So
the
one
petition
that
we've
received
was
from
the
lafarge
quarry
over
in
the
east
side
of
the
county
and
middle
river
along
eastern
avenue
next
slide,
please.
I
have
a
couple
more
details
on
that,
so
it's
a
400
plus
acre
lot
that
they
are
requesting
to
change
the
water
and
sewer
designation
from
w567
to
w3
and
s
567
to
s3.
L
This
property
is
a
majority
inside
the
erdl
and
inside
the
metro
district.
There
is
a
little
bit
on
the
or
the
northern
end
that
is
outside
the
urtle,
but
the
the
requester
is
not
asking
to
change
that
designation.
There
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
slide
just
shows
a
summary
of
the
agency
recommendations,
so
department
of
public
works
and
transportation.
L
The
water
design
groups
recommend
approval
for
this,
and
this
goes
back
to
when
this
was
presented
a
couple
cycles
ago.
We
are
interested
in
looping
the
water
line
in
this
area.
This
improves
water
quality
and
provides
redundancy
if
there
was
ever
a
breakout
in
this
area.
L
So
if
this
request
went
through
it
wouldn't
grant
us
complete
permission,
we
would
still
have
to
petition
a
couple
more
properties,
but
this
would
be
a
good
first
step
for
the
water
design
group
and
then
the
the
sewer
group
with
public
works
is
deferring
to
apps
and
planning.
L
Here
you
can
see,
epps
recommends
water
and
sewer
approval,
and
this
is
you
know,
based
on
the
fact
that
there's
some
water
quality
issues
out
here,
given
that
the
history
of
the
site
being
being
the
quarry,
so
they
are
in
favor
hooking
these
folks
up
to
public
water
and
public
sewer.
There
are
a
couple
properties
there,
as
mentioned
last
time
that
are
on
septic.
L
So
we
will
get
those
folks
off
of
that
and
connected
up
to
the
public
system
and
the
planning
recommended
no
change
to
both
the
water
and
sewer,
and
this
was
due
to
the
the
recent
zoning
change
in
this
area,
which
is
rc
6
out
here.
L
L
Yeah,
that's
all
I
had.
I
know
this
is
this
time
is
set
aside
for
public
comment
and
and
feedback
we
did
receive
written
testimony,
so
I'm
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
regarding
that
or
if
they
wanted
to,
if
they're
on
the
line
that
wanted
to
speak
this
evening,.
A
A
Those
who
wish
to
provide
written
testimony
during
the
hearing
can
also
do
so
by
typing
comments
into
the
host
in
the
chat
box,
and
the
comments
will
be
read
to
the
board
during
the
hearing.
Please
refer
to
the
on-screen
instructions
for
entering
comments
and
procedures.
For
speaking
during
the
hearing
right
now,
I'm
going
to
call
on
the
speakers,
and
I'm
going
to
remind
them
to
please
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes
or
less.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
robert
bendler
and
I
am
the
president
of
the
essex
middle
river
civic
council,
which
is
an
umbrella
group
representing
20
community
associations
in
the
essex
and
middle
river
area.
We
are
opposed
to
granting
this
change
in
the
master
of
water
and
sewer
plan
for
the
lafarge
site.
We
sent
a
letter
to
this
effect
and
I
believe
it
is
in
your
packages.
M
We
objected
to
this
change
when
it
was
requested
last
year
or
in
the
last
cycle,
and
we
maintain
that
position
in
an
even
stronger
way.
Now,
because,
as
was
just
mentioned,
the
property
was
recently
rezoned
to
rc-8,
and
I
know
you
all
are
familiar
with
rca.
It
is
environmental
enhancement
and
I
can
go
into
the
details,
but
not
in
two
minutes.
M
We
believe
that
no
changes
should
be
made
to
the
sovereign
water
plan
until
the
2030
master
plan
is
completed.
That
plan
should
be
completed
within
the
next
year
and
and
and
whatever
changes
are
made
to
the
storm
water
plan
should
follow
the
master
plan.
I
also
should
point
out
that
kathy
bevins,
our
county
council
woman,
has
appointed
a
special
study
committee,
which
is
in
in
process
right
now
and
is
expected
to
report
out
in
the
next
four
to
six
months
only
best
uses
for
this
property.
M
They
will
evaluate
all
the
options
and
determine
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
county.
As
far
as
the
use
of
this
property
in
the
future,
there
is
absolutely
no
urgency
to
move
forward
with
any
changes
right
now,
so
delaying
it
until
the
master
plan
is
done,
hurts
no
one.
There
are
no
serious
development
plans
that
have
been
submitted
or
even
considered,
and
the
property
is
still
in
the
process
of
reclamation.
M
M
So
basically,
our
recommendation
is
that
you
simply
defer
a
decision
on
this
for
at
least
a
year
or
deny
it
and
reconsider
it
after
the
master
plan
and
after
the
study
committee
has
done
their
work
and
then
make
the
decision
based
on
what
the
true
future
of
the
site
is.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
A
O
And
I
know
I
guess
my
two
minutes
starts
now
good
afternoon:
everybody
I'm
christopher
mudd,
with
venable
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
We
submitted
a
request
letter
which
I
trust
everyone
has
in
their
packets,
and
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things
for
your
consideration.
O
In
2019,
this
property
was
came
in
with
a
similar
request
before
the
planning
board
and
at
that
time
all
three
agencies
recommended
that
that
the
property
be
that
the
designation
be
changed
to
the
same
designation
that
we're
requesting
the
w3s3
ultimately
and
the
planning
board,
I
believe,
sent
that
same
recommendation
to
the
county
council.
O
Ultimately,
the
county
council
did
not
accept
that
recommendation
as
during
it
was
the
beginning
of
the
comprehensive
zoning
map
process
and
while,
during
the
pendency
of
that
process,
a
site
plan
was
submitted
and
the
councilwoman
after
discussions
with
the
community
and
the
developer
ultimately
decided
to
down
zone
the
property,
as
has
been
described
already
today.
O
In
discussions
with
the
councilwoman
that
down,
zoning
was
not
meant
as
a
signal
that
this
property
would
never
be
developed,
but
rather
as
a
a
way
for
everyone
to
take
a
breather
and
to
to
facilitate
the
coordination
of
this
group
that
mr
bendler
has
has
discussed
and
in
fact
the
first
meeting
of
that
group
is
next
week
and
we're
very
much
looking
forward
to
participating
in
that
this
time
around.
O
As
has
been
noted,
two
of
the
three
agencies
have
recommended
that
this
designation
be
changed
with
planning
withholding
its
its
recommendation
on
the
basis
of
the
zoning.
I
just
want
to
point
out
for
the
planning
board
that
I
don't
think
or
we
don't
think
that
the
zoning
really
should
be
the
primary
determinant
here.
O
This
property
is
within
the
url,
as
mostly
mostly
within
the
metro
district,
and
we're
only
seeking
the
designation
change
within
the
url
and
the
metro
district
there's
infrastructure
nearby
and,
as
we
heard
from
public
works,
they
very
much
are
in
favor
of
facilitating
better
infrastructure
in
this
area.
O
There
also
are
water
quality
issues
that
the
designation
would
change,
and
I
would
suggest
that,
even
if
the
property
were
to
be
redeveloped
under
the
under
the
rc
zoning,
it
would
still
be
better
to
have
the
property
served
with
public
water
and
sewer
rather
than
well
and
septic.
Given
the
fact
that
the
infrastructure
is
nearby
the
in
any
event,
the
planning
board
would
pass
this
on
to
the
county
council.
O
And
the
last
thing
I
would
mention
in
regard
to
timing,
because
this
is
an
annual
process,
it
actually
is
critical
for
the
developer
to
try
and
get
this
designation
sooner
than
later,
because
if
it's
not
this
year
and
the
and
the
developer
were
to
go
and
attempt
to
go
through
the
development
process
next
year
in
2022,
but
they
didn't
have
the
designations,
then
they
would
be
a
whole
year
behind
on
getting
the
designation.
O
So
our
request
this
year
has
really
been
to
try
and
keep
us
in
the
game
so
to
speak
and
to
enable
the
council
to
potentially
change
this
designation
at
the
end
of
this
year
or
early
next
year
after
the
community
has
had
the
opportunity
to
work
through
this
work
group
with
the
developer.
We
very
much
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration,
and
mr
thaler
is
here
as
well
to
answer
any
technical
questions,
but
I've
been
I'm.
I've
provided
the
presentation
for
the
developer.
Thank
you.
N
P
P
We're
we're
pleased
to
be
the
engineers
and
planners
for
the
site
we
filed
it
again
this
year,
mr
mud
as
usual,
was
a
wonderful
word
smith.
I'm
really
not
sure
that
I
can
add
anything
other
than
we
would
like
you
really
to
send
this
up
to
the
council
who,
as
the
as
the
planning
committee
that
councilwoman
vevins
has
appointed
concludes
that
will
conclude
by
the
end
of
this
year.
We'll
kind
of
all
collectively
decide
how
this
will
proceed.
P
However,
it
proceeds
it's
going
to
need
water
and
sewer
it's
in
the
urtle.
It's
a
old
old
quarry
and
really
what
we're
asking
you
to
do
is
approve
this
and
send
it
up
to
the
council,
who
will
make
the
ultimate
decision
and
I'll
just
remind
the
board
members
that
you
did
approve
it
and
send
it
up
last
year.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
A
I
D
L
To
your
first
question,
there's
no
pressing
issues
in
this
area,
there's
not
a
history
of
water,
main
breaks,
and
so
your
to
your
second
question.
No,
we
do
not
have
water
quality
issues
out
here
again,
just
you
know
the
way
we
like
to
design
water
systems
are
in
a
loop,
so
if
there
is
a
break
in
a
particular
section
of
that
loop
that
can
be
isolated
and
the
surrounding
community
could
still
have
water
service.
L
Additionally,
you
know
if,
if
you
don't
have
that
loop
in
the
system,
the
water
sometimes
sits
stagnant
as
opposed
to
continually
flowing.
So
there
may
be
some
turbidity
issues.
There
may
be
some
discolored
water
that
you
know
on
occasion,
folks
may
see,
but
again
no
no
history
of
breaks
or
water
quality
issues
that
we
know
of
in
these
areas.
I
L
Yeah
it's
that
area
going
out
like
heading
east,
from
I
guess,
around
martin
state
airport
out
to
some
of
the
peninsula
communities
on
off
eastern
avenue
for
oliver
beaches
out
that
way
and
from
other
towns.
D
I
I
have
a
question:
how
long
do
we
anticipate
this
task
force
or
whatever
we're
going
to
call
it
for
to?
How
long
is
that
going
to
take
place.
B
D
Three
months:
six
months
a
year,
how
how
long
do
we
expect
that
to
take.
L
F
Miss
haverford
chrisman
sent
a
message
in
the
chat
and
it
says
six
meetings
one
per
month
and
mr
thaler
said
that
it
must
conclude
by
december
30th
and
then
chris
also
stated
that
the
meetings
start
next
week.
D
Okay,
I'm
I'm
just
is:
is
there
anybody
from
planning
that
would
be
able
to
speak?
Why
planning
is
recommending
that
we
don't
approve
this
right
now.
N
I'll
address
that
mr
heckman,
yes-
and
I
think
it's
already
been
alluded
to-
there
are
a
couple
of
issues
that
were
of
concern
to
us
one
and
mr
bowkey
just
indicated
that
there's
really
no
pressing
issues.
Certain
redundancy
is
always
a
consideration,
but
there's
no
urgency
to
this
at
least
as
far
as
we
see
it.
Secondly,
is
because
the
councilwoman
has
established
a
work
group
to
look
at
the
use
of
the
site,
this
very
large
site-
that,
in
fact,
it
may
be
really
not
necessary
to
have
this.
N
Have
these
improvements
to
these
capital
investments.
And
thirdly,
as
mr
benler
said,
we
are
in
the
master
planning
process
and
we
expect
that
lafarge
certainly
will
be
a
substantial
element
of
what
we're
looking
at
on
the
east
side
and
to
have
that
in
place
and,
frankly,
picking
up
on
something
my
predecessor,
pete
gutwald,
was
pretty
emphatic
about.
Is
it
we
should
be
water
and
sewer
decisions,
capital,
budget
investments
and
the
other
should
follow
from
the
master
plan
and
not
lead
the
master
plan.
I
N
I
I
didn't
say
that
mr
warren,
if
I
did
I
misspoke,
I
wouldn't
I'm
saying
there-
may
be
a
need
for
redundancy,
but
mr
bokey
said
there
was
no
urgency
to
it,
and
redundancy
could
be
required
for
every
system
in
the
county.
There's
no
question.
A
Well,
thank
you
again,
mr
bokey,
for
your
presentation,
miss
tracy.
Could
you
note
in
the
minutes
that
miss
wolfson
did
join
us
for
the
second
part
of
the
hearing
and
at
this
time,
if
there's
no,
no
other
questions
or
comments.
I'll
call
for
a
motion
to
adjourn.