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A
And
welcome
to
the
September
7th
2023
meeting
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board.
It
is
now
called
the
order.
I'm
Nancy
Hafford
the
chair
of
the
board,
and
we
will
now
start
our
meeting
with
a
roll
call
with
the
members
that
are
present.
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
say:
aye
Mr
array,
all
right:
Miss,
Brophy,
I,
miss
German,
aye,
Mr,
Hafer,
aye,
Mr,
Heckman,
Mr,
heinel,
Mr,
Hinton,
Mr,
halipka,
aye,
Mr,
Johnson,
Mr,
McGinnis,
hi,
Mr,
perlow,
hi,
Miss,
Panero,
Mr,
Warren
and
Miss
Wolfson.
A
A
Board
members
we've
been
having
quite
a
lot
of
problems
with
our
microphones,
it's
great
for
the
people
that
are
in
the
room,
but
the
people
that
are
watching
us
virtually
if
the
computer.
If
the
microphone
is
not
on,
they
cannot
hear
anything.
We
say
and
I
know
I've
been
guilty
of
that
myself,
but
also
when
you're,
not
speaking,
be
sure
you
turn
it
off.
A
A
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
the
gathered
members
of
the
planning
board.
My
name
is
David
birkenthal
for
those
who
haven't
met
me
I'm,
the
Eastern
sector
lead
with
Community
planning
and
we're
going
to
be
introducing
the
greater
Middle
River
design
guidelines
tonight.
So
we
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
C
So
these
are
new
design
guidelines,
not
at
any
we're
not
amending
anything
they'll
be
incorporated
into
the
comprehensive
Manual
of
development
policies
which
is
used
by
the
county
to
help
steer
commercial
and
residential
development
within
the
goals
of
the
master
plan.
Council
resolution
223,
passed
by
Council
on
February
21st
2023,
authorized
creation
of
the
new
guidelines
and
allow
the
Essex
Middle
River
Civic
Council
to
lead
that
effort.
C
C
We
met
with
them
and
had
a
conversation
with
a
number
of
our
staff
members
designed
Collective
staff
and
then
members
of
emrcc
in
February
on
Council
resolution,
223
passed
allowing
mrcc
to
develop
those
guidelines
and
then
in
April,
a
planning
department
received
those
again
which
we
reviewed
asked
for
changes
and
had
a
more
in-depth
set
of
questions
and
concerns
that
we
then
sent
back
to
emrcc
this
August
and
we
received
that
updated
document
which
is
before
you
today,
early
in
August
or
I'm,
sorry
late
in
August.
C
So
if
I
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
there
are
two
main
goals
for
these
guideline
design:
guidelines
to
encourage
consistent,
high
quality
design.
The
guidelines
were
for
well.
The
guidelines
reflect
the
professional
expertise
and
current
best
practices
for
achieving
high
quality
design
for
single
family
and
multi-family
residences
and
then
also
importantly,
they
reflect
the
unique
characteristics
and
precedence
of
the
greater
Middle
River
area.
This
is
a
historic
Community
with
recent
developments
that
reflect
the
Waterfront
and
Industrial
nature
of
the
community
and
they're.
Looking
to
continue
that,
let
me
go
to
the
last
slide.
C
C
C
B
C
D
D
Oh
and,
of
course,
if
you
need
more
time
to
to
gather
the
a
more
comprehensive
response,
that's
the
next
meeting
will
be
fine.
Have
these
proposed
standards
been
reviewed
by
appropriate
fair
housing,
Advocate
stakeholders
to
ascertain
the
impact
of
these
proposed
standards
on
the
construction
of
affordable,
Workforce
housing
in
the
geographic
area?
So.
D
C
D
Second
question:
just
for
the
record,
because
I
already
knew
the
answer:
have
the
proposed
standards
been
reviewed
by
fair
housing
Advocates
to
assess
the
disproportionate
impacts
of
these
proposed
standards
on
working-class
families,
many
of
whom
are
families
of
color
in
Baltimore
County
and
their
ability
to
afford
new
homes
or
their
ability
to
buy
an
improved
exist
homes
in
the
affected
Community.
The.
D
A
D
D
Or,
or
changes
to
the
building,
facade,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
so
I
want
to
check
these
two
scenarios.
So
if
I
have
elderly
parents
who
can't
afford
to
live
anywhere
else
and
we
decide
to
create
a
multi-generational
environment
and
someone
has
Mobility
impairments
and
we
have
to
remodel
the
house
more
than
50
percent
or
just
simply
make
an
improvement,
say,
adding
a
ramp
to
the
front
of
the
home
or
widening
the
door
of
the
front
of
the
home.
The
homeowner
would
be
subject
to
these
design
standards
and
potentially
incur
additional
costs
to
comply.
I.
D
To
you,
okay,
so,
in
effect
to
me,
it
sounds
like
these
proposed
design.
Standards
are
de
facto
HOA
standards
that
are
being
imposed
on
individual
homeowners
in
the
affected
area,
and
it's
I
find
it
I'm
incredulous
that
Community
groups,
if
they
really
understand
this
support
this.
So
that
leads
to
my
information
request,
because
you
indicated
that
there
had
been
Outreach
some
some
amount
of
Outreach,
so
I'd
like
to
ask
it.
In
addition
to
written
responses
to
my
previously
asked
questions,
I'd
like
to
request
the
following
information:
Please
provide
the
board
with
a
list
of
all.
D
G
There's
a
project
out
in
Reisterstown
that
I
was
involved
with
or
saw
and
very
well
designed,
I
believe
product
that
just
finished
up
the
development
recently
Clinton
Muse,
but
because
of
pushing
design
and
cost
and
the
houses
ended
up
being
not
a
reasonable
price
for
the
county,
affordable
housing.
If
you
want,
they
were
more
concerned
about
the
back
of
the
houses
which
were
to
be
aluminum,
decided,
look
like
the
front
which
had
a
lot
of
gingerbread
on
it
and
it
pushed
the
prices
up
very
substantially.
G
G
G
That
group
of
homeowners
I
just
am
concerned
also
the
bureaucratic
needs
that
will
be
necessary
to
get
these
kind
of
things
approved,
meaning
somebody
that
just
wants
to
redo
the
front
of
their
house.
They
have
to
come
in
for
the
permit
department.
Now
they've
got
to
come
to
planning
to
make
sure
planning
is
approved.
It
I
think
it's
really
Overkill
I
really
do
I.
G
Think
it's
going
to
become
very
tedious
to
be
able
to
renovate
a
house
and
what
we're
seeing,
of
course
in
Baltimore
city
is
huge
amounts
of
renovation
taking
place
and
I
do
believe
our
County,
which
has
become
an
older
County.
If
you
look
to
when
we
really
started
developing,
you
know
the
Dundalk
and
the
and
the
Middle
River
and
the
Bethlehem
Steel,
and
that's
when
we
started
was
in
the
20s
and
30s
so
we're
over
100
years
old.
So
there
will
be
a
lot
of
housing
to
be
renovated
and
I
just
don't
want
to
see.
G
H
H
I'm
gonna
jump
in
first,
but
you
were
much
more
elegant
than
me,
as
always,
I
would
just
add
to
what
he
says:
I
really
want
you
to
focus
on
the
impact
on
the
cost
of
housing
like
what
what's
the
in
nominal
increase
in
the
cost
of
a
town
home.
What's
the
nominal
increased
cost
in
a
single
family
home
that
this
is
going
to
drive?
So
if
you
could
emphasize
that
and
again,
thank
you,
Chris
and
Howard
for
your
comments.
H
A
I
Have
has
the
county
ever
implemented
a
a
plan
with
this
kind
of
restrictions
over
such
a
broad
area
before
I
mean
it's
just
I'm,
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of?
How
does
this
compare
to
other
community
plans
that
we've
done.
I
C
In
terms
of
design
guidelines,
I
don't
think
we've
hit
anything
with
a
size.
This
large
generally,
my
understanding
of
design,
guidelines
and
I
might
not
be
the
best
person
from
planning
to
answer
this.
As
I
mentioned,
use
of
the
cmdp
is
generally
with
a
Jen
Nugent's
team
in
the
development
review,
but
it's
for
more
targeted
areas
as
where
design
guidelines
have
been.
C
F
These
are
not
the
County's
guidelines.
These
were
brought
to
us
by
the
Essex
Middle
River
Community
Council,
by
res
after
resolution
from
councilman
marks,
asking
the
planning
board
to
review
the
guidelines
for
approval.
So
what
we've
done
is
reviewed.
The
guidelines
offered
our
best
professional
judgment
met
with
their
representatives,
as
well
as
with
their
consultant
and
presenting
to
you
the
guidelines
as
modified
based
upon
some
of
the
comments
we
made.
These
are
not
our
guidelines.
We
are
not
you.
A
G
Is
there
a
map
that
shows
this
Middle
River
area
that
this
is
under?
Yes?
Can
we
go
back
to
the
presentation,
I
didn't
think
I
saw
it,
but
that's
first
question.
The
second
is
for
Scott
I
thought
we
did
something
over
on
the
west
side
of
town
like
Patapsco
or
something
maybe
in
the
last
six
months
where
we
approved
a
guideline
book
for.
I
F
F
F
F
J
C
So
the
cmdp
is
enforced
through
the
County's
review
of
development.
So
anytime
we
get
any
project
that
will
come
through.
We
go
to
the
cmdp,
and
that
is
brought
to
our
comments.
In
my
experience,
that
means
that
the
enforcement
mechanism
is
alj
that
they
would
be
presented
this.
As
you
know,
these
are
including
the
guidelines.
That's
what
the
community
has
asked
for.
The
nailj
would
be
a
task
with
deciding
whether
or
not
to
enforce
those
guidelines
at
that
time,
as
they
are
with
any
the
rest
of
the
cndp.
C
K
K
C
So
these
would
be
for
any
development
that
comes
through,
in
my
experience,
with
Department
of
planning,
I'm,
admittedly
unfamiliar
how
that
works
at
other
departments
if
they
would
also
reference
these
guidelines.
But
in
my
experience
they
haven't
done
that
this
is
to
shape
the
the
way
in
which
the
department
of
planning
reviews
development.
In
the
comments
we
provide,
which.
A
Second,
all
in
favor
aye.
Thank
you.
As
a
reminder,
the
public
hearing
will
be
in
person
on
September
21st,
the
board
tentatively
scheduled
to
vote
on
that
matter.
Immediately,
following
the
public
hearing
next
on
the
agenda,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
further
discuss
and
then
vote
on
cycle,
41
water
supply
and
sewage
master
plan
amendments.
H
You
all
went
to
the
site
you
like,
but
you
know
what
exactly
are
you
know
we
approved
last
time.
A
J
F
That
correct,
yes,
but
I
think
the
recommend
I
do
not
believe
in
Miss.
Apuzo
may
remember:
I,
don't
believe
that
the
recommendation
was
the
same
was
presented
in
the
same
way.
F
A
F
E
I
I
So,
okay,
on
the
amendment,
okay,
so
the
new,
so
the
amended
emotion
would
be
be.
It
move
that
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board,
adopts
staff
recommendation
and
reports
for
the
water
supply
and
sewerage
plan
Amendment
cycle
41
reference
number
23-01
and
recommends
the
following:
W1
S1
on
parcel
155
and
parcel
154
between
parcel
155
and
parcel
141
and
parcel
141
w3s3
on
parcel
154
above
parcel
155
parcel
140
part
1
and
parcel
140
part
2.
A
L
Negotiations
between
Baltimore
County
and
the
Developers
in
terms
of
whether
that
property
may
be
developed
as
a
park,
a
public
park
yeah
and
if
that
hasn't
been
completed,
if
there's
negotiations
or
discussions
or
whatever,
because
I
really
am
unclear
about
it.
If,
if
we
approve
this,
aren't
we
giving
the
developer
a
leg
up
in
terms
of
what
the
property
is
going
to
be
worth?
If
Baltimore
County
decides
they
have
the
funding
to
purchase
it.
L
L
F
I
G
E
A
B
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
Bill
4723
zoning
regulations
uses
permitted
in
the
RC
six
Zone
group
child
care
centers
for
the
purpose
of
Permitting.
Certain
group
Child
Care
uses
in
the
rural
conservation
and
residential
rc6
Zone
under
certain
conditions
and
generally
relating
to
group
child
care
centers
in
the
rc6
zone
and
resolution
20-23
modify
designated
community
of
Arbutus
as
a
sustainable
Community,
a
resolution
of
the
Baltimore
County
Council
to
modify
the
designated
community
of
Arbutus
as
a
sustainable
Community.
B
A
A
A
F
Well,
if
I
may,
since
the
the
room
is
used
also
by
the
animal
control
board
and
also
by
the
liquor
board
four
different
agencies
to
put
our
resources
together
to
make
sure
that
we
get
upgraded.
It
is
still
not
as
fully
functional
as
we
want,
but
it
should
enable
people
to
at
least
come
in
through
a
hybrid
system
now
and
actually
hear
everything
going
on
and
hopefully
record
better
for
any
listener.
Who
wants
to
then
even
call
in
to
listen
on
further
for
your
meetings.
A
A
Good
evening,
everyone
again
and
welcome
to
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board
public
hearing
on
updates
to
the
Pai
policy
manual.
The
public
hearing
is
now
called
to
order.
I'm
Nancy
Hafford,
the
chair
of
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board
and
we'll
now
start
with
a
roll
call
of
the
members
that
are
present.
A
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
say:
aye
Mr
array,
Miss
Brophy
I,
miss
German,
aye,
Mr,
Hafer,
aye,
Mr,
Heckman,
Mr,
heinel,
hi,
Mr,
Hinton,
aye,
Mr,
halipka,
aye,
Mr,
Johnson,
Mr,
McGinnis,
aye,
Mr,
Perlo,
aye,
Ms,
Panero,
Mr,
Warren,
aye,
Ms,
Wolfson
aye
at
the
July
20
2023
meeting
of
the
planning
board,
miss
Sally
Nash,
the
director,
the
deputy
director
of
the
Department
of
permits,
approvals
and
inspections
introduced
the
Pai
policy
manual
updates
to
the
board.
The
updates
are
to
the
the
development
management
and
the
plan
review
policy
manual
and
Zoning
policy
manual
tonight.
A
Miss
Nash
and
Mr
Peter
gutwald
Pai
director
are
here
to
further
present
and
update
manuals
to
the
updated
manuals
to
the
board.
Following
their
presentation,
the
board
members
will
have
a
chance
to
ask
questions,
and
then
members
of
the
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
immediately.
Following
the
public
hearing,
the
board
will
reconvene
for
further
discussion
and
then
we
will
vote
on
that
matter.
So
please
join
me
in
welcoming
Mr,
gutwald
and
Miss
Nash.
M
Good
evening,
yes,
it's
been
a
few
years.
I've
seen
some
old
faces
from
my
old
days
of
being
at
the
department
of
planning.
M
So
yes,
we
are
here
again
today,
you
want
to
flip
to
the
next
who's
who's,
doing
the
to
discuss
the
updates
to
our
development
policy
manuals.
Both
development
management
and
plans,
review
I.
Think
Miss
Nash
explained
to
you
that
some
of
the
effort
was
to
update
these
things,
but
as
in
the
first
slide,
it
kind
of
just
represented.
M
Some
of
these
things
are
over
30
years
old,
so
any
update
is
going
to
be
a
good
update
because
we're
dealing
with
some
very
outdated
methods
and
practices
next
slide,
and
so
here
are
some
of
the
project
goals.
As
I
was
just
mentioning,
there's
redundancies,
there's
inconsistencies
with
Curtin
practices
and
laws,
there's
outdated
practices.
If
you
will
some
things
that
we've
looked
at
and
said
how
are
other
jurisdictions
doing
this
better?
M
How
are
they
doing
it
today
and
things
that
we're
not
even
using
today
that
are
actually
outlined
in
the
in
the
policy
manual?
So
this
has
been
the
concerted
effort
to
try
and
clean
all
that
up
and
bring
it
up
to
current
standards,
but
also
bringing
up
the
current
practices
and
methodologies
that
are
being
utilized,
whether
it's
in
in
the
engineering
world,
with
our
plans
review
manual
or
whether
it's
in
the
development
management
process.
M
You
know,
there's
been
and
or
the
zoning
manual
where
there's
been
legislative
changes
that
makes
the
the
policies
completely
irrelevant
next
slide,
and
so
we
have
been
working
on
this
diligently
for
over
a
year.
M
We
started
our
research
in
comparative
analysis.
By
almost
a
year
ago,
this
past
August
actually
probably
started
a
little
before
that,
because
I
was
taking
notes
as
things
as
we
were,
as
I
was
experiencing
these
inconsistencies
and
practices.
M
We
started
documenting
some
of
that
information,
so
we
started
putting
it
working
internally
through
September
and
October
all
the
way
into
December,
not
what
we
were
doing,
From
pai's
perspective,
but
also
then
reaching
out
to
all
the
different
agencies
and
their
subject
matter:
experts
as
as
they
dealt
with
stuff
throughout
the
policies
and
what
their
codes
and
regulations
included.
So
we
were
being
consistent
with
all
of
that
and
then
in
January
and
Earnest.
M
We
did
our
Outreach
effort
with
people
who
are
familiar
with
our
development
review
process
through
our
zoning
regulations,
and
things
like
that.
We
wanted
people
that
knew
about
these
policies.
Utilize
these
policies
a
lot
to
bring
them
in
to
see
what
we
had
done.
We
made
a
lot
of
changes
based
on
what
they
recommended.
We
modified
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
had
clarified
some
things.
M
It
was
an
excellent
process
in
my
mind
because
it
gave
us
enlightened,
as
we
see
things
through
our
eyes
as
one
way,
and
they
may
see
it
through
a
different
way.
So,
therefore,
we
took
into
that
into
consideration
or
if
something
wasn't
clear,
we
made
sure
that
we
made
it
abundantly
clear
if
they
didn't
understand
what
we
were
trying
to
do
through
any
of
the
policy
manuals.
And,
of
course
now
we.
A
E
M
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
miss
Nash
to
go
over
some
of
the
the
more
details
of
what's
in
the
policy
manuals,
but
I
just
wanted
a
sort
of
a
welcome
and
thank
you-
and
this
has
been
a
concerted
effort
of
three
different
manuals
that
we
did
two
of
the
manuals
we
combined
into
one
because
there's
a
lot
of
redundancy
but
in
terms
of
the
Department
of
Public
Works.
But
it's
been
a
a
valiant
effort
to
try
and
get
this
stuff
up
the
today's
standards
and
what
we're
working
on.
M
B
N
You
all
right
so,
as
Pete
mentioned
and
as
I
mentioned
last
time,
we
combined
two
of
the
manuals,
the
development
plan
review
manual
and
the
development
management
policy
manual
into
one.
So
now
we
have
the
development
management
and
plan
review
policy
manual,
and
we
took
this
combined
manual
to
the
work
group.
Mostly,
the
changes
in
that
iteration
were
a
re,
a
big
reorganization
of
the
text.
We
created
three
sections
that
were
broken
down
by
topic
area
to
help
it
flow
better.
N
We
did
a
lot
of
clarification,
worked
very
hard
with
Public
Works
to
get
rid
of
information
that
they
had
have
updated
more
recently
than
we
have
in
their
design
manuals.
We
we
eliminated
a
lot
of
out-of-date
material.
That
way
we
also
added
sections
on
pai's
review
phases:
three
review
phases
for
development
review,
which
is
phase
one,
which
is
our
development
plan,
review
phase
two,
which
includes
grading,
stormwater
management,
construction,
drawings,
security
agreements,
things
like
that
and
then
phase
three,
which
is
the
final
inspections
as
builts
security
reduction
and
Closeouts.
N
We
at
the
work
group,
a
lot
of
the
changes
were
clarifying
things
that
made
sense
to
us,
but
not
to
the
work
group,
some
further
rearranging
and
some
some
new
language.
We
want
to
make
it
clear
that
these
are
policy
manuals
and
that
if
there
is
a
conflict
between
the
policy
manual
and
the
code,
the
code's
always
going
to
override
the
policy
manual.
N
First
of
all,
we
we've
added
a
lot
of
processes
that
have
existed
informally
in
the
department,
but
not
they
weren't
written
down
anywhere.
So,
for
example,
the
priority
status
review
request.
This
is
when
we
have
a
project
with
a
lot
of
prob
public
benefit
or
a
public
project
that
Baltimore
county
is
doing.
They
want
to
have
an
expedited
review.
We
do
that.
N
We
set
out
specific
criteria
that
the
development
the
person
representing
the
development
has
to
show
and
if,
if
they
meet
the
criteria
and
the
director
of
Pais,
a
dude
and
planning
agree,
it
can
be
expedited
through
our
review
process
and
especially
through
Soil
Conservation
District,
so
that
we've
added
that
it's
in
the
appendix
we've
also
added
in-depth
descriptions
of
the
Pai
review
process
and
how
we
coordinate
with
other
departments,
especially
Public
Works.
In
terms
of
our
review,
we
added
more
specific
language
about
the
DRC,
the
development,
Review,
Committee
and
limited
exemptions.
N
N
Is
this
a
project
that
can
go
through
an
administrative
review
procedure,
or
is
this
a
project
that
has
to
go
full
process,
which
means
they
have
to
have
a
community
input
meeting
and
they
have
to
go
to
the
alj
and
there
are
some
set
and
stone
criteria
that
determine
which
path
the
project
will
take.
But
there
is
also
some
subjective
criteria,
or
at
least
not
subjective.
It
depends
on
the
agency
who
is
at
the
table,
so
the
environmental
department
has
different
criteria
than
Pai
in
terms
of
what
they
want
to
see,
go
which
path.
N
So
we
tried
to
make
that
clear
and
give
some
examples
of
when
of
something
an
agency
might
be
looking
for
in
terms
of
determining
One
path
versus
another
path.
N
We
also
made
it
clear
that
minor
subdivisions
do
need
to
go
to
D
to
the
DRC.
There's
there.
There's
they've
had
some
somewhat
of
an
exception.
Sometimes
they
go
straight
to
zoning
because
it's
obvious
What,
a
minor
sub,
is
right,
three
or
fewer
Luts,
but
we've
decided.
We
just
need
to
be
consistent
in
our
process.
Everyone
needs
to
go
to
DRC
first
and
then
get
farmed
out
to
the
correct
process.
N
We
also
strongly
recommend
recordation
for
minor
Subs,
because
this
is
not
required
and
we've
had
problems
with
people
not
being
vested
in
since
they
didn't
record
a
plot
for
their
minor
subs,
and
we
would.
We
would
prefer
that
it.
That
is
a
requirement,
but
that
right
now
we're
just
strongly
recommending
that
there.
N
Of
checklists
in
the
original
manuals
we've
got
rid
of
all
of
those
they
were.
You
know
things
we
could
put
online
when
they
are
online
and
that
way,
every
time
they
need
to
be
updated.
N
We
don't
need
to
do
a
manual
update,
didn't
really
make
sense
for
them
to
be
in
there,
and
we
have
a
few
items
that
we
worked
on
with
staff
and
with
the
work
group
that
would
require
legislation
that
we
can't
really
make
the
change
through
the
policy
alone,
so
there's
one
especially,
which
is
that
we
would
like
all
projects,
including
non-residential
projects,
to
meet
current
code
right
now.
The
code
says
that
non-residential
projects
can
be
approved
in
the
manner
and
method
that
they
were
originally.
B
N
Which
is
this
is
actually
their
domain,
but
we
wanted
to
put
some
standards
in
our
manual
well,
they
follow
up
with
more
specific
regulations,
soon
they're
working
on
it,
but
we
wanted
to
make
it
clear
what
the
criteria
was
when
you
needed
to
do
a
traffic
study,
how
you
should
go
about
doing
that
traffic
study.
N
Finally,
the
Deep,
the
development
plan
review
sections
were
we
worked
after
a
close
consultation
with
public
works
and
the
environmental
Department,
as
I
mentioned
before
all
right
next
slide:
zoning
policy
manual,
the
big
overview
very
similar
to
development
plans,
review
and
development
management.
We
did
a
lot
of
rearranging
we
alphabetized
things.
N
We
also
added
a
lot
more
code,
section
references
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
go
back
and
forth
between
the
policy
manual
and
the
code
we
added
a
cross-reference
table
at
the
end,
so
you
can
look
up
the
policy
by
code
and
see
what
code
number
it
applies
to
and
vice
versa.
If
you
have
a
code
section,
you
know
you
can
go
and
look
and
see
which
of
the
policies
address
that
code
section.
N
There
are
updated,
Graphics,
there's,
also
more
court
cases
and
the
details
about
what
the
outcome
of
those
court
cases
was.
So
you
can
tell
what
precedence
the
issue
has,
and
often
you
can
see
how
that
policy
came
about,
because
you
can
see
the
court
case
or
the
policy
was
in
response
to
the
court
case.
N
The
work
group
did
some
further
clarification.
We
did
a
lot
of
deleting
things
that
didn't
make
sense
very
out
of
date.
We
combined
a
lot
of
policies
that
the
work
group
thought
didn't
really
need
to
be
separate
policies
and
there
they
had
a
requests,
add
even
more
code
references
throughout
the
documents.
So
we
did
that
for
additional
breadcrumbs
next
page.
N
Some
of
the
biggest
changes
we
made
in
here
are
all
response
to
either
newer
legislation
or
newer
technologies
that
have
come
up
over
the
years,
such
as
accessory
and
law
Apartments.
That's
an
example
of
one
where
the
code
changed.
We
had
to
change
our
policy
agricult
commercial
agricultural
buildings.
This
is
just
a
policy
that
we
we
have
a
lot
of
confusion
about,
because
agricultural
buildings
have
to
meet
certain
code
requirements
like
electrical
and
plumbing,
and
there
are
certain
zoning
criteria
that
agricultural
buildings
have
to
meet.
N
But
if
it's
a
bona
fide
commercial
Farm
they
don't
need
a
building
permit
per
se.
So
there's
often
I
think
there's
been
years
of
confusion,
and
hopefully
this
policy
helps
straighten
it
out
a
little
bit.
We
also
have
had
confusion
about
accessory
structures
and
what
exactly
subordinate
means.
So
in
this
policy
subordinate
area
extent
or
purpose,
we
try
to
make
it
very
clear
that
accessory
building
has
to
be
subordinate
in
every
sense
of
that
work
really.
N
G
By
B,
but
I
mean
I
know
the
flat
records
used
to
be
in
the
courthouse
they're.
Not
there
anymore,
you
got
to
go
to
Hall
records
now,
and
it
was
very
difficult
to
come
up
with
one
we're
another
Title
Company
never
recorded
the
D
that
recorded
the
Plaid
along
with
the
D
I
know
how
to
do
it
with
an
awful
lot
of
companies.
Don't
don't
even
know
you
know.
What's
there,
I
guess
I,
never
understood
why
the
county
didn't
just
make
it
a
legal
plot
record
of
the
county.
M
You
recorded
a
flat,
or
you
created
a
minor
subdivision
and
by
code,
if
you
recorded
it
you're
vested
well,
you
never
record
it.
I
can't,
invest
you!
So
that's
one
of
the.
Why
we're
recommending
strongly
because
I've
come
across
in
the
two
years,
I've
been
to,
however
long
I've
been
a
Pai
when
I
come
across
the
individual
and
I
said
well,
you
know
you
didn't
record
these
Lots,
therefore
you're
not
vested
so
invested,
is
actually
construction
coming
out
of
the
ground.
G
N
Great
thank
you.
I
did
also
want
to
mention
one
thing
about
the
EV
charging
stations.
We
have
a
policy
in
there
to
respond
to
that
technology.
Of
course,
we
did
not
realize
we
would
soon
be
working
with
Steve
on
a
report
that
you
will
be
seeing
next
month,
I
believe
on
EV
charging
stations.
N
We,
where
we
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
about
the
differences
between
the
level,
one
two
and
three
Chargers,
and
it
is
an
option
for
you
to
make
it
so
we
could.
We
could
update
our
policy
manuals,
so
we
specified
a
differences
where
one
and
twos
follow
that
policy.
I.E
they're
allowed
as
accessory
uses
everywhere
and
then
three
we
we
take
a
little
bit
more
time
to
think
about
where
those
should
go
so
that
that
is
something
I
know
came
up
in
the
public
comments
and
something
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about.
D
Hi,
thank
you
for
the
overview.
I
know
how
thankless
the
job
it
is
to
try
to
update
outdated
manuals.
I've
done
it
a
number
a
number
of
times
myself.
So
thank
you
for
your
your
your
work
on
that
stewardship
you're
in
a
pretty
unique
position.
Having
spent
a
year's
time
you
and
your
team
and
looking
at
these
manuals
and
I
was
sitting
here-
and
it
reminded
me,
were
you
here
for
the
discussion
of
the
design
standards
earlier
at
the
other
session?
No.
D
The
board
is,
is
considering
looking
at
these
Essex
Middle
River
Civic,
Council,
Greater,
Middle,
River
area
design
standards
and
one
of
the
questions
that
the
board
asked
was
like.
Was
there
precedent
for
that
or
what
was
the
enforcement
mechanism?
All
I'm
asking
you
is
in
your
review
of
all
these
various
policy
manuals
dealing
with
development.
D
D
Maybe
maybe
what
I'll
do
is
just
to
speed
things
up
is
I'll
I'll,
send
an
email
and
just
kind
of
get
more
at
what
I'm
asking.
D
M
Like
I
mean
their
comprehensive
manual,
design
policies
are
dealing
with
yeah
the
site,
design
and
or
the
architectural
features
associated
with
our
design
manual
is
dealing
with
the
public
infrastructure,
so
rode
water
and
sewer
utilities
that
kind
of
stuff
sidewalks
that
kind
of
stuff
we're
dealing
with
the
standards
associated
with
that
when
a
when
an
access
should
be
required,
those
kinds
of
things
they're
dealing
with
an
overall
site
design.
M
You
can
speak
to
it
better
than
I
can
of
of
whether
context
and
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
what
what's
the
appropriate
type
of
design
associated
with
that
so
they're
they're,
not
the
same
thing.
Three
different
things.
A
On
hearing
aiding
okay,
thank
you
we're
now
going
to
call
on
those
that
have
signed
in
to
speak.
There
was
a
signing
sheet
located
out
in
the
lobby.
Speaker
speakers
will
be
called
the
order
that
you
registered
Miss
Bensley
and
speakers.
You
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak
per
manual
if
you're
speaking
on
One
manual,
you
have
two
minutes.
If
you're
speaking
on
two,
both
manuals,
you
hugged
four
minutes.
E
B
E
E
Of
years
of
experience
in
the
room,
it
was
somewhat
enlightening
to
go
through
it.
It
was
also
very
painful
because
it
was
line
by
line,
but
I
I,
just
I
felt
like
it
was
a
very
good
process.
I
applaud,
Pete
and
Sally
for
putting
it
together
and
and
holding
everybody
to
the
table.
It
was
a
good
process
and
I
think
that
the
end
result
is
exceptional.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
O
That's
sad,
I
have
a
few
sorry.
I
have
a
few
issues
that
I
stumbled
across
and
I
didn't
understand
that
you
were
going
to
be
voting
on
this
today
or
I
would
have
certainly
sent
an
email
so
that
you
could
look
at
what
I
was
talking
about
still
I'm
going
to
talk
about
it,
because
I'm
here
and
I
have
the
time
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
development
policy
manual.
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
it.
O
If
you
do,
I
will
refer
to
page
12.,
there's
a
policy
that
talks
about
limited
exemptions,
and
it
says
it
specifies
to
the
a16
and
the
B8
that
require
posting
and
I
wonder
why?
That's
all
that
requires
posting
I
hear
from
community
members
all
the
time
who
ground
is
being
broken
and
they
had
no
idea
that
this
whole
process
had
happened
or
that
any
exemptions
were
allowed
or
what
is
going
up
and
in
the
spirit
of
transparency
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
achieve
I.
O
Think
community
members
are
the
first
people
that
should
know
when
something
is
going
on.
There's
another
issue
on
page
13
policy:
five,
this
one
talks
about
development
plans
that
are
requesting
waivers,
there's
no
requirement
here
that
the
there's
any
posting
or
notice
of
those
waivers
again
the
community
doesn't
know
unless
it's
posted,
they
don't
all
spend
time
online,
looking
to
see
what's
happening
in
their
neighborhoods
and
then.
Finally,
in
this
manual
and
page
16.
O
A
O
Zoning
policy
manual
I,
will
just
address
the
one
most
important
thing
that
bothered
me
the
most
about
this
I
mean
there
were
plenty
of
issues.
I've
been
involved
in
a
few
cases,
I'm
involved
in
a
few
cases
right
now
and
clearly
the
language
will
change
the
outcome
of
those
cases.
It's
designed
specifically
I
think
targets
specifically
some
cases
that
I'm
involved
in
the
most
egregious
issue
is
the
one
that
has
to
do
with
spirit
and
intent.
Letters
I
was
introduced
to
this
concept.
The
spirit
and
intent
letter
is
like
a
ticking
Time
Bomb.
O
We
don't
know
it's
there,
it's
sitting
in
a
file,
and
essentially
it's
a
developer
saying
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
do
and
the
director
puts
it
in
his
file.
We
don't
know
nobody
knows
that
it's
in
there,
so
that
is
policy.
That's
a
new
policy
and
I
want
to
give
you
the
citation.
O
O
53
pp9
spirit
and
intent
request
letters,
I,
think
that
needs
to
go
and
since
I
have
the
time
I
want
to
talk
about
one
more
thing:
there's
a
provision
in
here
that
says
that
variances
that
are
granted
as
part
of
a
special
exception
run
with
the
land
find
the
special
exception
expires.
The
variances
do
not
need
to
be
reapplied,
for
if
the
special
exception
is
reapplied
for
or
if
any
other
special
exception
is
applied
for
so
somebody
smart
can
apply
for
a
special
exception,
variances
that
apply
to
that
special
exception.
O
A
Thank
you
that's
conclusion
of
our
speaker
registration
list.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
out
again
and
speaking
into
the
planning
board.
We
take
your
comments
very
seriously
and
we'll
into
consideration
at
this.
Let's
see
but
there's
no
further
questions
or
comments
from
the
board.
This
will
conclude
our
public
hearing,
but
we
will
immediately
reconvene
for
a
discussion
and
the
vote
on
the
matter
that
we
just
discussed
do
I.
Have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
A
The
public
meeting
of
the
Baltimore
County
planning
board
has
now
reconvened
and
called
to
order
I'm
Nancy
Hafford,
the
chair
of
the
planning
board
and
will
not
now
start
again
with
a
roll
call
with
the
members
that
are
here.
Mr
array:
Miss
Brophy
here
this
chairman
Mr
Hafer
here
Mr
Heckman,
Mr,
heinel,
Mr,
Hinton,
Mr
halipka,
here
Mr
Johnson,
Mr,
McGinnis,
Mr,
perlow,.
E
A
Panero
Mr
Warren
Miss
Wolfson
here.
Thank
you.
The
board
now
has
an
opportunity
to
discuss
then
vote
on
the
department
of
permits,
approvals
and
inspection
policy
manual
updates,
Mr,
gutwald
and
Mrs
Nash
are
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
Lord
might
have
before
we
go
for
a
vote.
I
will
now
open
the
floor
for
discussion.
If
there
is
any
Mr
Johnson.
M
A
M
M
Because
my
concern
was
that
it's
been
used
for
a
number
of
different
reasons
and
I
wanted
to
make
that
finite,
so
the
spirit
and
intent
is
to
say
something
has
been
granted
to
you
via
whatever
process
board.
You
know
what,
however,
it's
been
done,
and
this
does
not
significantly
change
what
you
got
approval
for.
M
That
has
been
given
a
lot
of
flexibility
over
the
years
and
I
wanted
to
finite.
What
that
experience
was
to
be
used
for
and
that
there
significantly
there
was
nothing
that
was
being
changed
if
it
was
the
geographic
boundary
that
was
being
approved
for
the
variance
or
if
it
was
something
that
was
being
done,
that
there
sometimes
you
get
a
variance,
you
moved
you
got
it.
M
You
got
a
variance
for
the
set,
the
rear
yard,
setback
for
a
deck
or
an
accessory
structure
right,
and
you
find
out
that
you
had
a
something,
a
utility
or
something
other.
So
you
moved,
you
still
enjoyed
the
the
variance,
but
you
just
moved
it
10
feet
the
other
direction,
because
you
couldn't
put
in
that
location.
M
So
that's
what
the
spirit
intent
is
all
about
is
to
say
you
are
in
the
spirit
of
what
was
granted
to
you,
but
you
didn't
make
do
it
to
the
exact
site
plan
that
was
approved
originally
because
of
whatever
situation
occurred.
Accessory
structure
is
a
lot
of
things
that
we
get
or
setbacks.
Variances
are
something
that
that
you
get
a
lot
of
times
and
they
had
to
modify
this
actual
site
layout
of
that
because
of
whatever
they
came
across.
M
You
I
can't
give
you
an
example
of
the
top
of
my
head,
but
that's
sort
of
what,
but
the
biggest
point
of
putting
in
the
policy
is
I
wanted
to
set
the
criteria
and
the
parameters
when
that
can
be
used
because
I've
seen
it
used
all
over
the
you
know
it's
it
was
it
was.
It
was
very
flexible
on
how
they
used
the
spirit
of
intent
and
changing
Geographic
boundaries
was
one
of
them.
M
That
was,
you
know,
disturbing
to
me
to
say
that
you,
you
were
granted
this
variance
in
this
area,
and
then
you
went
over
here
and
did
it
in
the
spirit
intent
allowed
you
to
move
it
over
here.
Even
though
it
was
the
same
use,
no,
you
changed
the
geographic
boundaries
you're
going
back.
You
know
kind
of
thing,
so
I,
that's
the
purpose
of
the
spirit.
M
Intent
is
saying,
you're,
doing
something
consistent
with
what
you
have
approval
for
it's
just
not
in
the
exact
you
know,
footprint
that
you
got
approval
for
so
that's
that
helps
you
explain
it,
but
the
biggest
thing
is
I
put
parameters
around.
You
can
and
cannot
write
a
spirit
of
intent.
M
Okay,
there
wasn't
any
notification,
but
it
had
been
done
as
a
practice,
so
yeah.
M
M
Very
difficult
things
to
I
mean
the
zoning
and
Mitch
is
here,
but
he
could
because
so
he
can
speak
to
it,
but
the
zoning
policy
manual
there
was
an
attempt
about
10
15
years
ago.
It
just
got
overwhelming
because
the
changes
are
so
rapidly
and
then
it
was
just
you
know.
Well
we
can't
you
know
it
just
couldn't
get
it
through
the
process.
I
guess
they
would.
They
would
recognize
that
there
would
be
documentation
of
how
to
further
deal
with
this
policy.
M
G
M
D
Who
issues
the
spirit
and
intent
letter?
That's.
M
D
M
That's
a
whole
big
air
issue,
I
think
several
of
the
community
members
brought
to
our
attention
and
I.
Don't
know
it's
not
necessarily
policy.
We
just
got
to
do
it
better
effort
on
our
whole
website,
with
cims
development
plans.
All
of
that
information
we're
working
at
trying
to
make
that
more
accessible.
So
people
don't
have
to
come
to
Towson
and
pull
that
information.
Zoning
Zach
hearings,
zoning
comments,
development
plan
comments.
M
Those
are
things
we're
working
at
it's
not
in
the
policy
man,
but
those
are
definitely
things
we
heard
from
the
community
members,
particularly
on
this
on
this
Workforce
work
committee,
to
address
those
issues
of
making
it
a
more
accessible
I
guess
is
really
the
words
and
easily
to
be
found
because
it's
it's
a
it's
a
navigational
nightmare
sometimes
and
hey
I'm.
The
director
of
permits,
approvals
and
inspections.
I've
had
this
argument
with
oit
I
have
a
hard
time
finding.
What
do
you
think
the
outside?
D
Some
of
the
other
issues
that
were
raised
in
general
have
to
do
with
notification,
posting
requirements,
and
things
like
that
is
that
something
else
that
could
be
addressed
with
with
greater
transparency
of
things
being
available
online
or
is.
Is
this
something
else
like
I?
Don't
know
all
the
you
know,
these
limited
exceptions
and
A1
6
and.
M
8Bh
so
yeah
there
are
specific,
there
was
legislative
changes
for,
and
one
of
the
issues
is
minor
developments
and
Commercial
developments.
Minor
commercial
developments
are
what
I
would
that's
not
actually
and
the
code,
but
that's
what
the
concern
is
a
lot
about
when
somebody
comes
through
that
process,
so
the
A1
8
and
the
B2
b8s
when
I
have
that
correct
require
public
notification,
so
the
property
is
posted.
M
The
other
types
of
exemptions
are
things
that
aren't
really
physically.
You
physically,
wouldn't
even
notice.
If
you
were
at
the
woods,
so
those
lot
line
adjustments,
those
kinds
of
things
that,
if
you
posted
it
I,
don't
know
what
I
would
tell
you,
because
it
just
there's
kind
of
moving
properties
over
or
they're
they're,
going
through
a
real
estate
they're
going
through
an
estate
process
that
they
have
to
document
and
re-establish
the
lot
lines
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
So
a
lot
of
the
other
exemptions
are
not
development.
M
Oriented
is
the
way
I
would
put
it
so
I.
You
know
when
we
were
talking
about
public
notification,
it's
more
or
less
those
those
types
of
developments
that
need
public,
so
minor
subdivisions
have
to
be
posted.
That
was
already
they
have
to
be
notified.
Those
properties
are
posted,
as
is
you
know,
if
you're
now,
if
you're
doing
any
kind
of
modifications
to
commercial
development-
or
you
know
coming
through
what
is
called
the
B8,
which
is
a
commercial
minor
development-
have
to
be
posted
today.
M
So
we
could
look
at
that
as
the
other
exemptions,
but
most
of
the
exemptions
when
I
looked
in
my
mind,
I'm
thinking
about
them,
I'm
all
memorized,
it's
more
administrative
exemptions,
that's
paperwork!
It's
documenting!
It's
it's
recording
the
information
and
with
the
county.
J
A
J
Are
you
okay
thanks,
so
quick
question
when
Miss
Nash
was
presenting
on
one
of
the
PowerPoint
slides
they
mentioned
that
all
projects,
residential
and
non-residential,
now
need
to
meet
current
code.
Is
that
for
only
new
developments,
or
is
that
for
redevelopments
as
well,
because
I
know
you
know
we
just
kind
of
went
through
the
master
plan
process
and
they
focus
on.
M
So
I
believe
when
she
meant
current
code,
we're
talking
about
process,
correct
yeah,
so
it's
the
process,
so
it's
typically
an
amendment
or
a
modification
to
an
existing
plan
when
they
come
back
through
and
currently
the
the
code
says
that
you
go
back
to
the
way
it
was
approved
originally.
Well,
those
those
processes
don't
exist
anymore.
M
They
haven't
been
using
those
processes,
there's
the
jscps
and
there's
the
crgs,
and
these
were
processes
that,
where
the
county
and
or
the
planning
board
and
or
the
alj
or
the
Zone,
what
they
call
the
zoning
commissioner
back
then
would
have
have
approved
it.
Well,
there
is
no
zoning,
commissioner,
it's
the
alj
anymore.
The
planning
board
doesn't
have
any
responsibilities
with
reviewing
modifications
to
amendments
or
you
know
to
plans,
so
they
and
that's
got
some
circumvented
through
the
crg
process,
which
is
in
code.
M
M
So
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
where
when
she
when,
when
we
had
up
there,
that
that
we're
going
to
make
them
go
through
the
current
county
code,
we're
going
to
go
through
the
current
process,
that's
required
for
any
development,
whether
you
were
approved
through
the
crg
or
some
other
process
before
whatever
the
county
code
says
right
now
that
you
go
through
you,
you
need
to
go
through
that
process
today,
as
as
it
relates
to
like
zoning
regulations,
I've
always
said
that
you
know.
Even
if
you
are
invested,
you
and
your
property
got
rezoned.
M
A
E
A
A
D
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
opportunity
and
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not,
that
we
in
the
in
the
communication
or
the
transmittal
of
this
approved
policy
to
the
council,
that
we
strongly
recommend
that
as
much
be
made
available
from
these
processes
electronically,
as
as
practicable.
Something
like
that.
D
This
is
a
great
opportunity,
I
think
to
really
help
Spotlight
another
area,
that's
in
need
of
some
work
in
terms
of
transparency
and
electronic
records,
and
just
in
the
transmittal
email
or,
however,
I'm
not
even
sure
how
you
how
this
is
all
transmitted
to
the
council.
But
could
we
is
it
possible
just
to
put
a
sentence
in
there?
That
says
we
strongly
recommend
that
something
that
is
much
be
made
available
publicly
through
electronic
means,
if
possible,
or
something
something
like
that.
F
So
it's
a
recommendation
to
the
council
and
we,
we
can
certainly
I,
think
highlight
the
fact
that
work
is
ongoing
to
update
it
and
looking
for
Council
support
to
ensure
that
such
materials
are
added
to
the
website.
But
the
county
is
undertaking
attempting
to
undertake
and
sort
of
overhaul
of
the
website.
D
Would
be
great,
I
think
oftentimes
when
efforts
like
that
are
undertaken,
people
think
it's,
because
somebody
had
a
good
idea
right
here
are
real
world
examples
of
how
important
it
is
that
this
type
of
information
being
made
available
electronically,
and
so
you
know
it's
something
else
that
that
the
people
who
are
advocating
for
this
within
within
the
government
within
the
County
government
could
point
to
and
say
this.
This
is
another
example
that
reinforces
why
we're
doing
this
and
the
importance
of
it.
A
A
Second,
all
in
favor.
Thank
you.