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A
And
welcome
to
our
november
19
2020
meeting
of
the
baltimore
county
planning
board.
This
meeting
is
now
called
called
order.
My
name
is
scott
phillips
and
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
board
and
we're
going
to
go
through
and
we're
going
to
do
our
roll
call
and
we're
going
to
acknowledge
all
of
the
members
of
the
board
who
have
joined
us
today.
A
Mr
prolo
was
on
a
phone
line
he's
called
in
mr
johnson
president.
A
Where
am
I,
mr
warren
hi,
mr
allegary
hi,
very
good?
We
have
a
quorum.
B
A
Before
we
get
into
our
agenda
and
thank
you
for
joining
me
for
the
pledge
of
allegiance,
I
have
the
honor
of
introducing
a
new
planning
board
member.
You
heard
his
name
already
and
that
member
is
mr
derrick
johnson.
Mr
swanson
is
a
supervisor
with
the
maryland
department
of
housing
and
community
development
and
has
been
appointed
to
serve
as
an
at-large
member
by
the
county
executive.
A
Welcome
mr
johnson
we'd,
like
you
to
take
a
moment
to
introduce
yourself
to
the
rest
of
the
board,
just
a
brief
moment
to
introduce
yourself
to
the
board
members.
Thank.
D
You,
mr
phillips,
welcome
to
all
of
you
all.
My
name
is
derek
johnson.
I'm
originally
from
the
eastern
shore
of
maryland
down
in
cambridge,
I've
been
here
in
baltimore
area
about
20
years,
as
mr
phillips
says,
I'm
I
work
for
the
maryland
department
of
housing
and
community
development
and
the
multi-family
division.
I
worked
for
baltimore
city
for
eight
years
prior
to
my
work
here
at
the
maryland
department
of
housing.
D
A
A
A
Very
good,
I
see
nods.
Are
there
any
additions
corrections
to
the
minutes?
F
A
Mr
warren
is
moved
for
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes.
Is
there
any?
Is
there
a
second?
Thank
you.
There
were
several
seconds
I'm
going
to
put
that
on
mr
hartman,
mr
hartman
is
second
of
the
motion.
All
in
favor
say
aye.
A
A
Our
this
evening,
we
are
scheduled
for
a
vote
on
the
amendment
to
the
10-year
solid
waste
plan
office
building
recycling
which
was
introduced
to
this
board.
On
october,
the
15th
2020,
a
public
hearing
was
then
conducted
on
november
5th.
2020
staff
from
the
department
of
public
works
are
here
to
answer
any
further
questions
that
the
board
might
have
before
we
take
a
vote.
Would
mr
keller
from
the
department
of
public
works
like
to
add
anything
further
this
evening.
A
Okay,
mister
wait
a
minute
one.
Second,
at
this
point,
okay,
so,
mr
keller,
nothing
to
add
at
this
point.
Yes,
that
is
correct
all
right!
Thank
you,
our
board
members.
Are
there
any
outstanding
questions
for
mr
keller
or
comments
that
you
would
like
to
offer.
A
Second,
by
miss
kathy
wilson,
any
questions
not
hearing
any
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
all
right
the
same
right,
not
hearing
any
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
A
Our
second
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening
is
the
staff
report
for
agricultural
buildings
value-added
agricultural
uses
resolution
12-20,
which
was
introduced
to
the
board
on
october
15
20.,
a
public
hearing
was
then
conducted
on
november
5th.
2020.
staff
from
the
department
of
planning
are
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Any
further
questions
that
the
board
might
have
before
we
take
a
vote.
Would
staff
like
to
add
anything
further
this
evening.
H
Yes,
sir
chairman
phillips
and
members
of
planning
board,
I
wanted
to
respond.
This
is
wally
lippincott
from
the
planning
staff,
and
I
wanted
to
respond
to
mr
hoopka's
request
concerning
his
comment
about
the
value
of
agricultural
economy
in
baltimore
county.
We
had
it
in
our
presentation
is
listed
as
300
million
dollars
and
then
with
question,
because
the
county's
gdp
is
somewhere
around
55
billion.
H
I
think
the
real
issue
is
that
agriculture,
like
industry,
is
one
of
the
greater
has
one
of
the
greater
metrics
for
what
we
call
multiplying
factor
for
benefits
from
production.
In
other
words,
you
produce
more
jobs
and
types
of
businesses
from
industry
and
from
agriculture
than
you
do
for
many
other
types
of
economic
activities,
so
that
300
million
325
million
it
mostly
reflects
products
and
and
livestock
and
those
immediate
surfaces,
but
probably
doesn't
reflect
a
greater
impact.
H
And,
as
we
said,
and
as
plain
word,
member
warren
said,
the
purpose
of
this
study
is
to
try
to
really
develop
further
the
economic
activities
in
the
northern
part
of
the
county,
while
providing
the
benefits
to
its
citizens.
So
that's
our
response.
We
pretty
much
come
up
with
the
same
number
as
we
did
before,
bearing
some
more
thorough
economic
study.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
wally.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
mr
olympia,
if
not
one
of
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
do
this
evening,
because
and
board
members
have
an
opportunity
to
speak,
but
I
want
to
turn
to
our
resident
farmer
and
provide
an
opportunity
for
mr
mcginnis
to
share
any
comments
that
he'd
like
to
make
on
on
this
report.
If
you
don't
mind,
mr
mcginnis,
yes,
can
you
hear
me
like
we.
I
Can
okay
farming
has
been
course
in
baltimore
counties
for
about
300
years,
and
my
I
am
a
farmer
in
northern
baltimore
county,
and
I
am
a
fourth
generation
and
my
son
and
grandson
would
be
fifth
and
sixth
generation
farmers.
Farmers
have
always
had
the
ability
to
sell
their
products
from
directly
from
the
farm.
I
In
my
lifetime
I
can
remember:
selling
chickens,
eggs,
cream
butter,
sweet
corn,
eggs
and
so
on
so
and
farming
has
has
changed
a
lot
in
the
last
of
course,
the
last
even
last
few
years,
50
years
ago,
we
were
able
to
put
into
into
order
zoning
and
also
at
conservation
and
over
a
hundred
thousand
acres
of
baltimore
county.
I
Northern
baltimore
county
are
being
being
preserved
for
agriculture,
which
provides
a
locally
grown
food
source,
an
agricultural
product
source
for
the
citizens
of
baltimore
county,
and
it
also
is
a
very
big
help
for
the
taxpayer
baltimore
county,
who
would
have
been
paying
for
a
tremendous
amount
of
infrastructure
and
housing
had
been
able
to
just
completely
destroy
the
rural
areas.
I
I
We
have
things
like
weddings
being
held
on
farms,
things
that
aren't
directly
related
to
farms,
so
the
group
has
come
up
with
a
three-tier
system
to
regulate
the
building
of
agriculture
of
buildings
on
on
farms
and
we've
always
been
able
to
build
farms.
I
mean.
Excuse
me:
I've
been
able
to
build
the
buildings
for
various
reasons,
but
if
you
build
a
building
for
a
shed
for
a
machinery
shed,
there's
no
problem
there,
it
doesn't
really
affect
the
general
public,
but
they
worry.
I
The
staff
is
worried
about
then
this
being
converted
to
another
venue
where
maybe
a
festival
or
many
other
non-farm
type,
things
are
being
held
there.
Well,
they
had
promoted
that
we
were
a
farmer
to
build
a
building.
He
would
have
to
fill
out
a
whole
lot
of
paperwork
and
tell
him
how
big
it
was
and
what
he
would
tend
to
use
and
so
on.
I
Well,
this
is
not
really
that
effective,
because
he
can
build
a
new
building
for
attendant
and
then
convert
another
existing
building
to
a
non-legal
or
a
non-uh
use
that
is
not
directly
with
the
farm
and
the
county
would
then
have
to
come
out
on
a
complaint
would
have
to
come
out
that
farm
and
see
if
it
was
being
legally
used
and
they
would
have
to
regardless
of
how
it
was
so
anyway.
I
The
problem
is
we've
set
up
now,
which
I
support
a
three-tier
protest
process
for
getting
approval
of
agricultural
buildings
and
it
increases
as
the
more
non-farming
activities
are
involved.
For
instance,
you've
had
additional
things
like
wine
wineries
being
produced
now
and
a
lot
a
lot
of
other
products.
I
said
weddings,
but
a
lot
of
things
that
would
impact
the
traffic
around
the
area
and
affect
the
neighbors.
So
this
three
tier
project
would
help
to
alleviate.
F
I
And
the
only
problem
I
have
is
the
difference
between
the
two
two
or
three
is
where
we
have
the
cutoff
points.
For
instance,
as
I
mentioned,
I
don't
want
a
farmer
who
builds
a
doghouse
or
a
shed
have
to
go
through
a
whole
lot
of
rigmarole
to
get
this
built
when
it's
not.
Certainly,
that's
what's
going
to
be
used
for
them,
so
that
those
are
things
that
we
have
to
work
out
with
the
staff
and
before
it
actually
goes
into
into
existence.
I
So
that
just
made
me
a
basic
thing
of
why
we
are
where
we
are
and
what
has
caused
it
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
to
control
this
because
as
they
as
a
neighbor's
going
on,
they
get
concerned,
and
they
want
to
know
what's
going
on
and
I
think
the
development
of
a
website
with
accounting.
So
when
people
are
building,
they
can
go
or
their
neighbors
building
something
they
can
go
and
find
out
what
the
really
rules
are
and
concerning
this
construction.
I
So
I
think
it's
been
a
a
good
process
about
10
years
ago
I
chaired
a
committee
for
value-added
stuff
and
it
was
never
was
not
adopted
because
of
some
complaints
about
people
were
taking
advantage
of
a
farm.
Maybe
they
had
20
acres
or
10
acres
and
they
put
up
a
big
fair.
That
was
not
really
a
farming
operation,
so
I
had
to
see
that
we've
moved
ahead
to
present
this
now.
A
Thank
you,
mr
mcginnis,
so
so
it
I'm
hearing.
You
say
that
you
are
in
support
of
the
staff's
report
and
recommendations
to
continue
reviewing
this
situation.
That.
I
F
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
I
couldn't
get
my
meat
off,
I'm
I'm
actually
very
in
favor
of
this.
I
I
I've
been
very
vocal
about
the
fact
that
two-thirds
of
our
land
mass
is
not
available
to
everyone,
so
opening
it
up
to
everyone-
and
I
would
con
see
I'm
a
little
in
a
different
position.
I'd
like
to
see
us
move
those
things
where
we
can
actually
get
some
use
out
of
those.
So
look
at
those
levels
and
have
yeah:
can
we
utilize
a
farm
for
a
wedding?
Can
we
use
utilize
a
farm
as
a
restaurant?
F
Can
we
do
those
things,
and
I
think
that
plan
that
you
that
you
guys
put
together
brings
that
into
play
and
I
think
that's
great
so
so
great
job.
B
I
just
I
should
be
more
familiar
with
with
the
report,
but
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
is
any
requirement
that
the
the
property
in
question
is
resided
upon
by
the
owner.
Is
there
a
residential
requirement
for
the
owner
of
these
venues?.
H
Yes,
no,
that's
that's
the
kind
of
detail
that
one
would
work
through
in
the
actual
formulation
of
the
regulations.
Much
like
we
did
when
we
I
had
to
make
adjustments
for
nurseries
and
horticultural
nurseries,
so,
for
instance,
if
on
a
level
two
there's
a
proposal
to
have
a
small,
a
winery
on
the
site.
H
That
might
be
one
of
the
conditions,
it
might
be
said
in
order
to
have
a
winery
that
doesn't
have
to
go
to
a
special
exception
that
it
can
only
produce
or
allow
50
people
on
the
site
or
x,
number
of
bottles
of
wine
to
be
sold,
and
that
farming
still
has
to
be
the
major
activity.
The
winery
would
only
be
ancillary
whether
or
not
we
would
require
someone
to
live
on
the
property
that
could
be
debated
as
well.
H
I
mean,
as
we
know,
a
lot
of
the
farmers
own
multiple
properties
and
a
lot
of
those
uses.
You'd
want
to
have
it
on
the
property
that
really
provides
the
most
benefit
in
terms
of
scenic
qualities.
But
again
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
discussed
and
worked
out
at
the
time
of
actually
formulating
regulations.
B
What
I'm
thinking
of
is
it's
a
big
difference
of
having
a
few
hundred
acres
in
soybeans
and
corn,
where
no
one
lives
on
that
and
having
a
you
know,
100
acre
corn
maze
that
a
thousand
plus
people
come
to
at
a
time,
but
no
one's
living
there.
You
know
they
don't
have
to
experience
that,
like
their
neighbors
do.
I
Well,
I'm
just
going
to
echo
what
wally
said
today:
farmers
don't
just
have
one
location
where
they're
operating
on
farms.
It
may
be
many
many
locations,
but
I
understand
what
kathy
is
saying
about
a
large
event
and
that's
why
the
tier
they
would
have
to
go.
Some
review
is
to
see
whether
there
was
adequate
control,
trucking
and
adequate
access,
and
so
on.
I
understand
that.
D
D
Yes,
I've
questioned,
I
live
close
to
a
place
called
richardson's
farm,
they
have
a
store
or
a
rest,
a
store
and
a
restaurant
in
the
front,
and
they
have
the
farm
in
the
back
that
they
use.
So
would
this
amendment
affect
those
who
are
already
doing
business
or
because
it's
kind
of
busy
there
too,
when
you
go
in
and
out
it's
a
lot
of
traffic
in
and
out,
but
would
this
affect
them.
H
All
right,
thank
you,
sir.
In
that
case,
they
actually
have
commercial
zoning
that,
for
that
particular
store,
but
we
would
and
certainly
wouldn't
affect
the
farming
activity
to
the
rear.
So.
H
Not
affect
the
richardson
store,
okay,.
A
And
I
guess
to
that
point:
what
we're
proposing
would
not
affect
any
existing
uses
correct.
Well,
any
any
currently
zoned
existing
uses
on
farmland.
Is
that
a
fair
statement?
Yes,
that's.
H
Fair,
because
this
would
this
would
represent
making
opportunities
for
for
a
greater
use
of
the
farms
and
to
assist
the
farmers
to
be
able
to
make
a
more
livelihood
there.
There
was
a
recent
presentation
about
what's
called
future
farmers.
I
mean
we're
really
fortunate
here
in
baltimore
county
and
our
extension.
We
provide
instruction
to
you
to
new
young
farmers
and
they
have
had
a
tremendous
turnout
for
that,
but
one
of
the
problems
these
folks
have
is,
that
is
to
establish
those
businesses,
it's
expensive
to
start
up
and
there's
so
many
limitations.
H
I
Yes,
service
to
beginners,
I
like
to
echo
that
traditionally,
farmers
have
sold
wholesale
and
they
buy
repairs
on
retail,
so
they've
been
at
a
disadvantage.
So
the
value-added
situation
is
something
that's
been
fairly
new,
but
it
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
get
some
a
little
more
income
from
products
that
they're
selling.
A
I
think
this
is
all
this
is
a
great
conversation.
This
is
one
that
I
I've
enjoyed
because
it
has
us
rethinking
this
idea
of
farming.
My
sense
is,
it
will
bring
a
younger
generation
back
to
farming,
because
not
only
are
we,
you
know
encouraging
farming,
but
we're
in
some
respects
we're
making
it
hip
business.
A
So
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
good
thing.
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
thing.
Okay,
any
other
comments.
Yes,.
J
Mr
chair,
yes,
just
to
echo
what
others
have
been
saying,
I
think
one
of
the
great
things
about
baltimore
county
is:
we
have
the
erdl
and
we
have
this
preserved
farmland
and
in
order
for
that
to,
I
think,
be
maintained
for
generations
in
order
to
generate
the
kind
of
economic
activity
and
revenue
to
not
only
help
baltimore
county
as
a
whole,
but
to
help
protect
that
that
rural
land,
I
think
that
making
farming
broader,
like
you,
said,
mr
chair,
about
making
it
more
attractive
to
young
families,
new
businesses,
new
investment.
G
All
right
I'll
make
a
comment.
First,
before
I
make
the
motion,
I
run
a
farmer's
market
for
17
years
and
chairman
phillips,
you
hit
it
right
on
the
notice.
Young
people
don't
want
to
follow
in
their
family's
footsteps
of
running
farms,
but
if
you
make
it
cool
where
they
can
have
events,
that
makes
it
more
interesting.
I
hear
it
from
them
all
the
time,
so
you
hit
it
right
on
the
head,
be
it
move
that
the
baltimore
county
planning
board
approves
the
staff
report
for
agricultural
businesses.
So
am
I
reading
the
right
one?
F
A
A
Thank
all
of
the
the
volunteers
who
participated
in
the
discussions
that
got
us
here.
Thank
you,
mc
wilson
and
and
mr
mcginnis
for
being
active
participants
in
this.
So
we're
going
to
move
to
agenda
item
number
three.
K
This
is
jeff
before
you
move.
I
would
just
want
to
point
out
to
you.
Wally
has
indicated
he's
going
to
retire
getting
up
next
year,
and
you
know
the
work
he
did
on.
This
project
has
been
representative
of
the
kind
of
work
he's
done
for
baltimore
county
throughout
his
whole
career,
and
I
just
want
to
publicly
acknowledge
his
career
contributions
to
agres
the
ag
industry
and
baltimore
county
as
a
whole.
A
We've
got
the
chat
already,
you
know,
thank
you
and,
and
we
really
appreciate
you
wally
I'm
seeing
the
chats
come
up
already.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
it,
but
I'm
gonna
do
a
round
of
applause.
A
Chairman,
yes,
thank
you
very
much
go
right
ahead.
I'm
sure
there
are
a
few
folks
that
you
know
what
we
don't
usually
do
this
wally,
but
mr
mcginnis
did
you
have
something
you
wanted
to
say
to
wally.
G
I
Somebody
with
some
agricultural
knowledge
to
head
up
some
of
these
programs
and
that's
what
it
always
concerns
me
when
I
have
somebody
from
the
county,
come
out
to
something
you're
doing
on
the
farm.
They
hardly
know
the
front
end
of
the
cabin
from
the.
I
F
B
C
I
just
want
to
echo
those
sentiments,
and
I
just
know
all
the
presentations
you've,
given
that
I've
viewed
here
at
the
planning
board
have
been
excellent
and
you're
always
well
prepared
and
speak
well.
So
congratulations
on
retirement
and
we'll
miss
you.
A
Very
good
anyone
else
all
right,
well,
wally!
I
I,
as
of
today
I
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
We've
been
through
a
two
season:
peace
together
and
you've
been
just
the
class
act.
Your
level
of
professionalism
has
been
significant,
so
we
thank
you.
We
wish
you
well
and
whatever
the
next
next
chapter
brings,
we
wish
you
well.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right,
all
right,
all
right,
so
we're
going
to
move
into
our
landmarks
preservation.
E
Yes,
mr
chair,
so
the
landmarks
preservation
commission.
I
just
want
to
note
the
action
summary
that
was
sent
to
the
board
for
the
landmarks
preservation
commission.
It
was
noted
as
agenda
item
four,
but
it
is
actually
agenda.
Item
number
three.
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
so
at
the
november
12
2020
meeting
the
lpc
voted
to
issue
five
certificates
of
appropriateness
to
the
following
properties.
E
They
include
the
davis
property
located
at
3617,
stony
brook
road
in
fieldstone
and
the
btyl
llc
property
located
at
912
adonai
road
in
sudbury
park.
The
macmillan
property
located
at
5167
viaduct
avenue
in
relay
the
mount.
Welcome
retreat,
the
farmstead,
barn
and
slave
quarters
and
setting
known
as
the
woo
and
sloshlinger
property
located
at
3144,
granite
road
in
woodstock
and,
finally,
the
pot
spring
farmhouse
slave
quarters
and
setting
known
as
the
bird
property
located
at
2201
pot
pot
spring
road
in
timonium.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
davis.
Are
there
any
questions
about
the
landmarks
preservation
report?
If
not
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
four
and
that's
recent
council
legislation
of
interest
to
the
board.
Mr
davis,
you
can
fill
us
in.
E
and
it's
a
zoning
regulations
bill
for
medical
cannabis
and
parking,
and
it's
for
the
purposes
of
allowing
a
parking
reduction
for
medical,
cannabis,
grower
or
medical
cannabis
processor,
under
certain
limited
conditions
and
generally
related
to
parking
item
b.
Is
the
resolution
112-20,
which
is
a
review
of
a
planned
unit
planned
unit
development
known
as
magnolia
grove,
investments,
llc
and
it's
a
resolution
to
approve
the
review
of
a
proposed
general
development
development
planned
unit
development
in
accordance
with
county
law.
A
Thank
you,
mr
davis.
All
right,
so
please
note
that
this
will
be
the
board's
last
scheduled
meeting
of
the
2020
calendar
year.
The
board's
next
meeting
is
tended
to
be
scheduled
for
january
of
2021.
staff.
Will
contact
board
members
with
the
2021
meeting
schedule
and
will
be
put
in
the
meeting
schedule
will
be
posted
on
the
planning
board's
website
once
it
has
been
finalized.
A
Once
again,
I
want
to
congratulate
and
welcome
mr
johnson
to
the
board.
Do
we
have
a
motion
for
german.
A
Thank
you
all
very
much.
I
wish
you
all
a
very
happy
and
safe
holiday
season.
Stay
close
to
home
and
close
to
your
immediate
family.
Please
be
safe.
Thank
you.