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A
And
welcome
to
our
sixth
solid
waste
work
group
session.
Again,
I'm
stacy
rogers
for
those
who
are
joining
and
observing
I'm
the
baltimore
county
administrative
officer
and
have
the
pleasure
of
chairing
the
solid
weights
work
group.
A
Before
we
begin
today,
I
would
like
to
share
with
everyone
a
few
housekeeping
items
regarding
our
meeting
today.
As
with
our
other
work
group
meetings,
this
meeting
will
be
reported.
A
The
material
that
we
will
review
today
was
shared
via
email
with
all
group
member
members
by
jennifer
earlier
in
the
week.
We
hope
that
you
received
the
information
had
an
opportunity
to
review
it
today.
Our
webex
chat
function
will
be
available
to
our
work
group
members.
A
Please
note
that
we
do
have
a
time
within
the
meetings
and
we
will
continue
to
pause
to
have
discussion.
So
if
you
have
questions,
we
encourage
you
to
present
your
questions
during
that
time,
but
we
will
monitor
the
chat
if
you
would
like.
Please
raise
your
hands
to
be
acknowledged
and
you
can
give
your
questions
or
comment
during
the
designated
discussion
period.
A
So
members
of
the
public
who
are
observing
our
meeting
today,
if
you
have
questions
or
feedback,
we
kindly
encourage
you
to
please
send
that
information
to
our
workgroup
email
address.
A
A
Also,
as
we
have
mentioned
previously,
but
I
want
to
mention
again
today,
we
will
host
a
public
comment
session
during
our
march
4th
meeting
that
meeting.
We
will
return
to
an
evening
session
from
5
to
7
pm.
A
We
will
post
a
link
for
sign
up
to
for
public
comment
to
our
solid
waste
work
group
webpage
by
mid-february.
Please
be
on
the
lookout
for
this.
A
The
sign
up,
link
and
instructions
for
participation
on
the
solid
waste
work
group
web
page
and
last
but
not
least,
we
want
to
remind
everyone
that
our
solid
waste,
residential
and
business
survey
will
be
available
through
this
sunday
february,
7th
we're
pleased
with
our
progress,
but
we
encourage
you
if
you
have
not
done
so
to
complete
the
survey,
as
your
feedback
is
essential
to
our
decision
making
we're
particularly
encouraging
businesses
to
completes
a
survey.
You
may
accept
the
survey
by
visiting
our
website
and
visiting
baltimorecountymd.gov
forward
slash
waste
survey.
A
A
I'm
there.
This
is
a
very
important
and
timely
discussion
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
share
that.
We
have
a
special
guest
joining
us
today:
county
executive,
john
oshevsky,
jr,
county
executive.
On
behalf
of
the
entire
work
group,
we
would
like
to
stand
our
thanks
and
appreciation
for
your
vision
and
leadership
in
moving
the
county
forward
in
numerous
ways,
one
of
which
addressing
our
solid
waste
operation
this
november.
The
work
group
has
benchmarked
solid
waste
collection
and
disposal
best
practices
with
other
jurisdictions,
both
nationally
and
internationally.
A
We
initiated
a
sub-work
group
to
discuss
residential
collections
and
hauler
compensation,
and
in
just
a
little
over
a
month
we
will
receive
public
feedback
to
add
to
the
feedback
from
our
residential
and
business
survey.
We
appreciate
your
invitation
to
each
of
us
to
do
this
important
work
and
we
want
to
say
thank
you.
A
We
have
received
lots
of
information
thus
far
and
we
will
receive
much
more
today.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
now
is
turn
the
meeting
over
to
mr
ce
for
his
remarks.
B
Thanks
stacy
and
good
morning,
everyone
I
want
to
first
apologize.
It
was
at
my
initial
intention
to
be
with
you
for
the
duration
of
today's
meeting,
because
I'm
so
interested
in
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
obviously
financing
is
the
critical
part
of
actually
doing
the
innovative
work.
But
I
want
to
thank
you
stacy
for
your
leadership
here
in
baltimore
county.
Thank
you
again
for
for
chairing
this
group.
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
everyone
is
doing.
Stacy
keeps
me
informed
in
her
weekly
101
documents.
B
I
get
all
the
powerpoints
and
all
of
the
updates,
so
we
are
keeping
track
of
the
work
and
I'm
very
impressed
with
how
far
we've
come
in
a
short
period
of
time.
B
I
also
want
to
thank
councilman
patoka
for
his
work
on
this
work
group
and
just
recognizing
the
partnership
that
it's
going
to
take
between
the
executive
branch
and
our
legislative
partners
to
get
this
done,
because
we
know
the
work
has
to
get
done,
and
so
you
all
have
done
an
outstanding
job
reviewing
and
coming
up
with
recommendations
about
how
we
can
think
about
reforming
our
solid
waste
policies
and
doing
so
so
that
we
are
promoting
sustainable
practices
and
improving
service
delivery.
B
So
I
know
that
together
we
are
mapping
a
path
forward
to
both
reducing
waste
and
addressing
our
solid
waste
changes
here
in
baltimore
county.
We
believe
that
our
residents
deserve
and
want
a
clean,
green
baltimore
county,
high
quality
trash
services,
high
quality
recycling
services,
composting,
bulk
trash
pickup,
and
so
in
doing
that
work.
We
are
leaving
behind
a
more
sustainable
county
for
future
generations
and
it's
not
just
a
standalone
item.
We
are
making
sustainability
a
priority
in
all
that
we
do
and
it's
critical
to
our
larger
efforts.
B
It's
a
commitment
that
we
know
cuts
across
county
agencies
and
must
be
reflected
in
all
of
our
work.
We
are
embedding
sustainability
as
part
of
our
culture
and
sustainability
in
every
sense
of
the
word
right,
not
just
green,
and
you
know
reducing
our
waste
but
also
sustainable,
and
that
whatever
we
move
towards
that
practice
can
be
sustained.
B
You
know
we
we
hired
steve
lafferty.
I
know
he's
here.
Thank
you
for
your
work,
steve
and
the
work
that
you're
doing.
We
are.
We've
developed,
we're
developing
our
first
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
a
county-wide
climate
action
plan.
We
started
glass
recycling
again
the
innovations
at
eastern
sanitary
with
the
methane
capture,
but
we
know
that
those
challenges
remain
and
we
know
it's
going
to
take
bold
actions
to
address
them
and
we
know
that
you
have
to
pay
for
them.
B
So
we
want
to
continue
that
conversation
today,
so
that
we
can
address
the
fact
that
we've
seen
trash,
as
you
all
know,
go
from
304
tons
per
day
to
over
1400
tons
per
day
in
county
landfills,
acting
with
a
sense
of
urgency
to
reverse
the
increase,
reduce
our
waste
and
have
something
be
sustainable
for
the
years
ahead.
So,
in
addition
to
the
work
that
you
all
are
doing,
you
know
we
are
acting
locally
with
urgency,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
again
I
said
it.
B
The
first
time
I
came
to
you,
everything
should
be
on
the
table.
Everything
has
to
be
on
the
table
to
find
a
path
forward
and
it's
time
to
think
outside
the
box
within
the
county.
It's
time
to
think
regionally.
That's
why
I'm
so
grateful
for
your
work.
It's
why
we're
working
with
our
legislative
team
to
require
mde
to
analyze
and
propose
solutions
for
a
regional
waste
disposal
facility.
I
think,
looking
at
regional
collaboration,
innovation
is
so
critical.
B
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
work
ahead,
but
I
think
we
are
rounding
the
curve
in
terms
of
what's
happening
and
what
we
can
do.
So
thank
you
for
again
sharing
your
talent,
your
expertise.
I
know
that
you
all
will
chart
a
sustainable
path
forward
and
I
think
our
future
depends
on
it.
So
with
that
said,
I
look
forward
to
your
discussion
and
again
apologize.
I
need
to
limit
my
time
since
we
have
a
press
conference
on
our
vaccination
efforts
here.
B
B
So
you
know
before
we
turn
to
the
agenda,
just
want
to
take
a
step
back
and
see
if
there's
any
immediate
feedback
or
questions
that
you
have
for
me.
That
would
be
helpful
in
terms
of
informing
the
conversation
or
the
work.
That's
in
front
of.
B
B
C
County
executive,
izzy
patoka
here
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
forward.
Thinking
on
this.
I
know
this
has
been
something
that
an
issue:
that's
it's
nuts
and
bolts
of
government.
C
You
know-
and
you
guys
have
heard
me
say
this
before-
that
solid
waste
is
and
how
we
treat
it,
how
we
dispose
of
it.
It's
not
sexy
work,
but
it's
necessary
nuts
and
bolts
of
government,
and
we
need
to
do
it
right
and
everyone
here
in
in
this
webex.
C
In
this
meeting,
I
should
say
you
know,
I
think,
is
committed
to
being
part
of
the
solution,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
forward
thinking
and
also
thank
everybody
here
for
being
committed
to
working
together
so
that
we
can
do
this
in
a
21st
century
way.
B
Well,
councilman,
thank
you
for
that,
and
you
know
I
want
to
applaud
you
from
the
word.
Go
your
first
day
on
the
council.
You
know
you've
talked
about
the
importance
of
these
nuts
issues
of
governance
and
you've
been
willing
to
engage
directly,
not
just
talk
about
it,
but
actually
helping
us
to
deliver
it
by
being
part
of
a
work
group.
You
know
rolling
your
sleeves
up,
you
again
for
your
leadership
on
this
and
so
many
other
issues.
B
C
A
Okay,
hearing
hearing
another
comment,
mr
ce:
we'll
turn
it
over
to
gbb
our
consultant,
who
will
take
the
meeting
over
and
move
forward.
B
A
D
You,
sir,
thank
you
so
much
great
good
morning.
Everybody
thanks
so
much.
I
am
going
to
start
to
share
the
screen.
Can
you
guys
see
that
now
everybody
thumbs
up
okay?
So
we
are
appreciative
to
miss
rogers
and
the
ce
for
the
opening
comments,
and
I
think
it's
always
nice
to
remember
how
we
got
here.
I
know
we've
been
moving
quickly
and
appreciate
everybody's
focus
as
we
come
into
the
home
stretch
of
the
work
group
effort.
So
today
we're
thrilled
with
our
presentation
and
guest
speakers.
D
We
just
have
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
cover.
This
is
in
terms
of
we're
on
to
our
looking
at
our
meeting
notes
from
our
meeting
number
five
on
january,
21st
and
and
files
that
were
sent,
which
were
numerous
this
week.
Is
there
any
comments
or
questions
on
the
files?
D
If
anyone
wants
to
bring
up
okay,
I'm
not
seeing
anything,
someone.
Let
me
know
if
there
is
something
because
then
I
want
to
move
to
the
updates
just
briefly
and
I'm
not
seeing
anything
in
the
chat
either.
So
the
online
digital
survey
is
closing.
D
On
sunday
february,
7th
we've
had
the
resident
and
the
business
survey
out
in
four
languages
to
baltimore,
county
residents
and
businesses.
I'm
happy
to
report.
We
have
far
exceeded
our
initial
goal
on
the
residential
side,
we're
at
approximately
6
500
responses
right
now,
and
so
when
we're
at
our
next
meeting,
which
is
february
18th
we're
going
to
give
the
initial
view
of
what
came
back
in
that
feedback,
but
it's
very
exciting
and
great
to
have
such
range
and
we're
even
going
to
show
the
distribution
of
where
the
respondents
came
in
by
zip
code.
D
So
that's
that
will
be
something
to
look
forward
to
and
on
the
business
side
we
have
just
at
100
responses
right
now,
which
has
been
a
little
more
challenging
to
get,
and
I
know
we've
been
working
as
the
project
management
team
to
try
to
solicit
more
business
responses
through
chambers
and
other
networks,
anything
else.
Anyone
wants
to
ask
or
say
about
the
survey.
A
Just
encourage
everyone
if
they
know
businesses
to
please
encourage
them
to
participate.
In
your
circles,
we
have
reached
out
to
the
chambers
of
commerce
cevitra,
as
well
as
our
department
of
economic
and
workforce
development,
so
we're
hopeful
that
we'll
get
a
few
more.
D
Yeah
and
you,
the
link
for
the
surveys,
is
accessible
from
the
solid
waste
work
group
web
page
as
well
as
the
county's
front
page,
and
also
the
solid
waste
pages.
So
there's
a
number
of
places
you
can
grab
that
link.
It's
the
same
link
we've
had
through.
If
anybody
has
issues
with
that,
let
me
know,
and
if.
A
Our
work
group
members
need
us
to
just
send
it
out
for
ready
access
to
you
in
the
email
jennifer.
Can
we
do
that
and
then
it
will
make
it
easy
for
you
to
forward
to
individuals
that
you
may
know
of
who
can
respond,
particularly
in
that
business.
D
I
could
do
that
I'll,
send
an
email
after
this
with
the
survey
link
again,
if
people
are
agreeable,
I'm
going
to
open
this
up,
so
I
can
see
okay
and
then
the
hauler
subgroup.
I
wanted
to
just
give
the
group
an
update
that
this
report
out
from
the
hauler
subgroup
effort,
will
also
be
at
our
next
meeting.
So
it's
a
very
lively
meeting
on
february
18th
meeting
number
seven
and
that
effort
will
be
presented.
E
Nope,
we're
excited
to
be
able
to
present
the
feedback
from
the
hallis
at
the
february
18
meeting.
So
we've
gotten
some
good
conversation
back
and
forth
throughout
the
sub-hall
of
work
group
and
we
will
be
prepared
to
present
to
the
full
work
group
on
the
18th.
D
D
Also
should
be
familiar,
and
I
wanted
to
bring
up
this
as
new
information,
because
also
next
week,
again
sorry
next
meeting
on
the
18th
of
february
we'll
be
moving
through
a
prioritization
of
of
your
feedback,
specifically
on
potential
strategies,
and
I
wanted
to
bring
to
you
a
little
more
detail
than
we've
been
seeing
with
the
best
practices
boxes
that
we
had
been
seeing
on
slides
with
best
practices
to
consider
as
we're
shaping
up
what
strategies
are
coming
forth
and
that
we
have
them
grouped
into
these
four
buckets
of
collection,
new
services,
programs,
infrastructure
disposal
and
funding
and
contracts.
D
And
again
this
is
not
an
exhaustive
list,
but
we
have
pulled
from
the
gbb
background
memo
effort.
The
initial
hauler
sub
group
feedback,
the
work
group
you're.
All
your
feedback
through
the
briefing
memo
format
we've
been
using
and
you
know,
as
we
said,
we're
we're
in
the
model
of
flying
the
plane
while
we're
building
it.
We're
obviously
still
getting
the
public
input
through
the
survey
and
the
future
public
meetings.
D
So
these
these
items
will
continue
to
be
shaped,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
more
detail
in
the
strategies
and
also
bringing
in
the
zero
waste
thinking
from
the
group.
So
you
can
see
here
the
the
grouping
of
potential
strategies
that
again
you'll
be
getting
more
detail
in
prioritizing
these
at
during
and
prior
to
our
next
meeting.
But
we
have
a
number
of
items
here.
This
was
what
was
sent
also
in
the
slides
ahead
of
time,
we're
not
going
to
go
through
each
one.
D
Now,
but
again,
the
ones
in
green
are
identified
as
zero
waste
strategies
in
particular,
and
we're
starting
to
see
some
more
shape
to
what
the
strategies
are
coming
forth
and
I'll
pause
to
see.
If
there's
any
comments
or
questions
on
this
and
again,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
the
group
through
because
we're
going
to
be
getting
into
more
more
detail
on
each
of
these
as
we
model
and
also
ask
you
for
feedback
in
terms
of
if
these
are
low,
medium
and
high
priority
and
and
additional
items
that
you
want
to
see
modeled.
A
I
have
one
jennifer,
I
know
it's
embedded
within,
but
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
bulleted
outlines.
A
You
know
the
regulatory
piece,
because
we
know
some
of
the
pieces
that
we
need
to
work
on
may
require
not
only
policy
change,
regulatory
change,
and
I
think
we
need
to
put
those
in
in
groupings
so
that
we
know
what
work
we
would
have
to
do
to
initiate
some
of
the
pieces
if
the
recommendations
are
accepted
and
then,
of
course,
things
that
need
to
be
right,
because
we
talked
about
that
a
little
in
in
the
the
framework.
A
But
I
think
it'd
be
good
to
visually,
see
it
to
keep
our
eye
on
the
radar.
E
D
Yes,
sarah,
I
saw
your
comment.
We
could
I
we
could
highlight
the
murph
items,
also
as
green,
the
optical
sorting
and
murph
storage,
because
you
could
technically
be
getting
more
material
through
those
measures
so
yeah
that
that
could
be
also.
A
D
Well
and
then
again,
this
is
this
is
an
evolving
grouping,
but
as
we
are
getting
closer
to
the
end
of
our
time
together,
we
are
definitely
moving
ahead
with
modeling
and
needing
to
get
some
getting
getting
to.
This
point
is
exciting
for
the
project,
so
I
appreciate
everybody's
help
any
other
waving
hands.
Okay,.
E
D
And
again,
I
just
I
had
this
in
which
is
the
sustainable
materials
management
hierarchy
that
we're
using,
as
we
think,
through
strategies
trying
to
think
at
the
top
of
the
hierarchy
for
prevention
again
dealing
with
zero
waste
thinking,
as
we
embed
that
into.
E
E
D
Okay,
so
we
then
are
going
to
move
on
to
our
meeting
number
six
briefing
memo
which
we
sent
at
the
beginning
of
this
week,
and
I'm
gonna
have
steve
simmons
from
gbb,
give
a
brief
intro
here,
as
we
then
move
into
our
speakers.
Steve.
F
Great,
thank
you
jennifer
good
morning,
work
group
members.
You
know
over
the
past
couple
of
meetings,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
different
ways
to
do
collection:
how
to
process
ways
what
to
do
with
it,
and
today
we're
going
to
move
as
said
earlier
to
an
equally
important
topic
is
how
to
pay
for
it.
F
F
So
we
sent
you
in
the
briefing
memo
kind
of
an
outline
of
what
we're
going
to
talk
about,
maybe
like
the
the
course
rubric
for
today,
we
gave
some
suggested
reading
materials
for
you
to
kind
of
prep
yourself,
but
today
we're
going
to
hear
from
a
couple
of
firms
and
people
very
actively
involved
in
these
type
of
systems.
F
First,
we
have
raph
telus.
Telus
is
a
company
that,
when
gbb
takes
on
an
assignment
that
involves
rate
setting
or
rate
analysis
of
charges,
they're
a
company
we
frequently
and
preferably
turn
to
to
collaborate
with
so
we're
independent
companies.
F
But
we
we,
we
like
working
together
a
lot,
and
so
therefore
I
invited
terry
beauveri
with
raph
telus
to
to
present
their
work,
terry's
headquartered
with
the
company
down
in
florida,
where
most
counties,
if,
if
not
all-
and
it
may
well
be
all-
have
some
type
of
enterprise
fund-
to
fund
their
operations,
it's
much
more
prevalent
down
in
florida
and
so
terry's
going
to
give
you
some
background,
be
available
to
answer
questions
and
some
ideas
about
what
does
all
this
mean
and
then.
F
Secondly,
we
have
a
baltimore
county
alumni,
cara,
hodgins
who's
who's
down
in
florida,
collier
county
is
a
director
of
a
solid
waste
and
she's
gonna.
Give
you
some
of
her
experiences
in
in
managing
a
system.
So
I
we
think
that'll
be
very
helpful
for
you
also
so
with
that,
I'm
going
to
put
myself
on
mute
and
turn
it
over
to
terry.
D
G
Hi
jennifer,
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
can
hear
me:
okay,
okay,
awesome
thumbs
up.
I
want
to
thank
the
working
group
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
and
sort
of
share
some
of
our
expertise
and
knowledge.
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
thing.
The
county
is
sort
of
exploring
and
doing
and
want
to
also
thank
gbb
jennifer
steve
harvey
for
the
opportunity.
G
We
also
view
gbb
as
sort
of
a
leader
in
the
industry
on
the
solid
way
side,
and
you
know
relish
the
opportunity
to
sort
of
partner
and
move
local
governments
in
the
right
direction
strategically,
where
they
want
to
go
and
for
today's
discussion.
What
we're
here
to
sort
of
talk
about
is
what
are
the
key
considerations
in
establishing
an
enterprise
fund
if
you
get
forward
jennifer.
G
Thank
you.
I
I'll
just
mention
that
very
briefly,
that
you
know
steve
kind
of
already
had
done
it
that
you
know
we
just
specialize
in
providing
consulting
services
to
local
governments
related
to
the
enterprise
fund
and
rate
setting,
and
we
typically.
D
E
D
It's
hang
on
he's
going
to
do
a
headset
back
up
and
use.
G
Go
okay,
all
right!
Sorry
about
that.
I
I
think
technology
wants
to
test
us
all
on
a
daily
basis.
Even
given
all
the
challenges
we
have.
So
I
appreciate
everybody
hanging
with
me
jennifer
if
you
could
just
forward
to
the
next
slide.
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
you
know
we
tend.
G
You
know
I
tend
to
work
with
a
lot
of
local
governments,
that
sort
of
already
have
fees
established
and
they
need
consulting
services
in
terms
of
what
fees
should
they
be
charging
because
they're
looking
to
you
know,
invest
in
capital,
investments
or
different
types
of
services
that
they
need
to
provide
and
how
are
they
going
to
fund
it
and
really
that's,
I
guess
the
focus
of
our
presentation
today.
G
So
I
would
have
been
remiss
if
I
didn't
speak
to
our
colleague
henrietta,
who
leads
our
stormwater
practice
to
sort
of
come
in
and
discuss
some
of
her
experiences,
and
I
want
to
let
her
introduce
herself
in
a
second
here,
but
really
why
I
thought
that
she
would
be
great
for
this
conversation
sort
of
twofold
one.
Is
she
lives
and
breathes
stormwater
and
public
works,
and
she
has
seen
a
lot
of
conversions
from
the
general
fund
to
an
enterprise
fund?
It's
a
lot
more,
I
think
common.
G
On
the
stormwater
side,
we
see
those
sort
of
transactions
happen
and
so
she's
a
wealth
of
knowledge.
In
terms
of
you
know
what
sort
of
issues
you
may
face
and
sort
of
headwinds
you
may
encounter
as
you're
making
this
transition
to
an
enterprise
fund.
G
So
I
think
she
has
a
lot
of
value
to
add
to
the
discussion,
and
the
second
thing
is
that
she
also
leads
sort
of
our
community
of
practice
internal
to
our
firm
on
affordability
issues,
and
I
think,
that's
a
real,
important
key
consideration
when
we
start
thinking
about
you
know:
user
fees
if
we
haven't
traditionally
been
charging
user
fees
for
a
particular
service.
So
with
that,
I
don't
know
henrietta
if
you're,
if
you're
off
mute.
If
you
can
join-
and
I
want
to
introduce
yourself
really
briefly.
J
Thanks,
terry,
I
believe,
let
me
know
if
you
can't
hear
me:
okay,
yep,
I'm
a
vice
president
with
raf
telus
and
I've
spent
most
of
my
15-year
career,
developing
and
implementing
fees
for
service
for
a
non-metered
service
which
storm
water
and
solid
waste
share,
so
that
can
present
particular
challenges
that
are
different
from
other
services
and,
as
terry
said,
I
also
work
on
affordability
issues
and
I
worked
with
your
neighbor,
the
city
of
baltimore,
to
implement
its
stormwater
fee
again.
J
A
non-metered
service
so
also
have
some
experience
in
the
region
with
these
sort
of
issues.
So
thanks,
terry
I'll,
let
you
move
on
to
your
next
slide.
G
Yeah
jennifer
thanks.
So
this
is
a
bit
of
a
quick
overview.
We
won't
be
on
this
slide
for
very
long,
but
what
are
some
of
the
ways
that
we
do,
accounting
where
we
pay
for
government
services?
So
there's
the
general
fund,
which
I
think
everyone's
pretty
familiar
with,
where
we're
going
to
be
collecting
our
tax
revenues
and
we're
paying
for
very
important
services
related
to
public
health,
safety
and
welfare
police
fire
things
of
that
nature.
G
Then
there's
the
special
revenue
fund,
where
we're
going
to
be
earmarking
funds,
or
maybe
we
even
have
a
fee,
and
we
want
to
have
a
separate
accounting
for
a
specific
type
of
services,
and
then
we
sort
of
encounter
enterprise
funds
and
that's
where
you
can
think
of
it
more,
like
a
business
type
transaction.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Jennifer?
G
Okay,
so
an
enterprise
fund
is
where
we're
looking
to
recover
a
fee
for
an
exchange
in
either
services
or
goods.
Typically,
so
you
know
a
water
and
sewer
utility
you're
looking
to
purchase
a
gallon
of
water,
let's
say
or
a
ccf
of
water.
You
know
in
solid
waste
services,
you're
looking
to
purchase
a
service
of
you,
know,
resource
recovery,
you
know
and
and
curbside
collection
and
other
types
of
disposal
services
generally.
G
The
enterprise
fund
is
a
standalone
accounting
where
we
are
gonna,
have
a
better
handle
on
the
accounting,
the
budgeting,
reporting
and
needed
communications
of
those
services.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please.
G
So
when
we're
thinking
about
creation
of
an
enterprise
fund,
you
know
we're
going
to
encounter
some
challenges,
but
why
do
we
want
to
go
through
that
sort
of
those
challenges?
What
what's
sort
of
the
benefits
to
an
enterprise
fund?
So
before
we
get
into
sort
of
the
key
considerations,
you
know
what
are
the?
What
are
the
reasons
why
we
want
to
do
this?
G
A
lot
of
the
perceived
benefits
relate
to
the
fact
that,
typically,
when
we're
funding
a
service
like
solid
waste,
that
a
fee
structure
for
paying
for
that
service
is
viewed
as
more
equitable
because
the
you
know
the
benefit
that
a
customer
receives
is
typically
proportional
to
the
cost
that
they
pay
and
when
we
charge
a
fee
that
produces
more
revenue
in
that
revenue,
the
added
revenue
means
that
we
can
reduce
the
burden
to
the
general
fund
if
the
general
fund
was
the
one
typically
covering
the
cost
of
that
service.
G
So
obviously,
that's
very
advantageous
if
the
general
fund
has
some
constraints
or,
alternatively,
if
the
enterprise
fund
or
the
enterprise
activity,
I
should
say,
wants
to
expand
services
or
construct
infrastructure
because,
as
we
all
know,
general
funds
have
a
limited
amount
of
resources,
and
so
we
need
to
prioritize
those
resources
and
sometimes
prioritizing
services
that
the
general
fund
offers
is
expansive
and
can
be
difficult,
and
so
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
plan
for
the
for
a
sustainable
future,
as
was
mentioned
earlier
on
kind
of
the
call.
G
So
I
think
that
just
to
touch
on
the
point
there
that
you
know
an
enterprise
fund
can
assist
in
planning
and
sustainability,
the
idea
or
the
concept
here
is
that
by
having
a
dedicated
fund
where
we
can
account
for
and
be
accountable
to,
our
stakeholders
for
the
services
we
provide
by
demonstrating
what
the
costs
and
the
revenues
are
facilitates
planning.
G
So
once
we
have
a
vision
of
the
future
that
we
want
to
target-
and
we
understand
what's
the
road
map
for
how
we
get
there,
which
I
think
you
know
gbb
is
sort
of
helping
to
identify.
Then
the
question
is
from
you
know
the
financial
side
of
things.
You
know
how.
How
can
an
enterprise
fund
sort
of
facilitate
that,
and
I
think
in
that
planning
aspect
of
it
it
it
helps
there
and
then,
lastly,
you
know
another
really
important
benefit.
G
Is
that
you
know
fees
are
a
tool
that
can
affect
behavior,
can
communicate
the
value
of
the
service
that
you're
providing
to
your
stakeholders
and
constituents
and
ultimately
achieve
the
objectives
that
you
set
forth
in
your
planning,
as
we
discussed
before
so
recognizing
all
those
wonderful
benefits.
You
know
what
are
sort
of
those
challenges,
and
you
know
the
key
challenge
is
change.
You
know,
change
requires
transition,
and
it
also
requires
overcoming
resistance,
sometimes
due
to
misconceptions
about.
You
know
why
we're
changing
and
where
we're
trying
to
go.
G
There
may
be
incomplete
information
out
there
and
there
can
sometimes
even
be
fear.
Some
of
the
resources
that
we
had
shared
with
gbb
that
were
circulated
had
some
had
an
interesting
case
study
that
was
presented
for
a
transition
to
an
enterprise
fund
in
there.
One
of
the
obstacles
from
the
public
was
the
view
or
perception
that
you
know
solid
waste.
User
fees
are
just
a
form
of
another
form
of
taxation
which
again
you
know.
G
We
need
to
emphasize
and
educate
people
that
really
it's
it's
a
service
that
we're
providing
and
there's
a
value
to
that,
and
that's
what
you
know
essentially
you're
being
paying
for
so
it.
You
know,
assuming
that
we
want
to
endeavor
and
embark
upon
this
transition
to
an
enterprise
fund
for
the
sustainability
and
the
planning
objectives.
G
What
are
sort
of
those
key
considerations,
and
so
the
graphic
to
the
right
here
identifies
a
number
of
items.
Maybe
doesn't
really
communicate
all
of
what
goes
into
it.
But
accounting,
you
know,
financial
accounting
is
is
a
key
element
to
this
organizational
and
staffing.
You
know
is
going
to
experience
some
changes.
We
can
sometimes
incur
additional
costs
because
we
have
to
have
maybe
customer
billing
services
if
we're
not
using
existing
billing
infrastructure
or
avenues
available
to
the
county
or
the
entity.
G
We
need
to
consider
about
how
charging
the
fee
that
wasn't
a
fee
there
before
to
customers,
how
that's
going
to
impact
them.
What
the
affordability
considerations
are.
We
need
to
think
about
our
new
financial
management.
You
know,
accounting
practices
are
a
little
bit
different
from
enterprise
fund
accounting
than
general
government
accounting,
and
then
I
think
this
is
a
real
key
one
and
henrietta's.
G
I
think
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this
in
greater
detail,
sort
of
communications
and
outreach
plan,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
need
to
have
everybody
sort
of
aligned
toward
that
same
goal
or
vision
that
maybe
you
have
for
your
community
for
solid
waste
services.
G
Okay,
so
one
other
key
thing
that
I
you
know
haven't
really
focused
in
on
too
much
was
just
how
this
impacts.
You
know,
maybe
the
bond
rating
of
the
underlying
entity
or
the
general
obligation
bond
rating.
For
you
know
the
county,
for
example,
so
just
a
quick,
brief
overview.
You
know
county
wonderfully
highest
rated.
You
can
get
triple
a
rating.
G
I
believe
you
know
and
don't
hold
me
to
this,
but
I
believe
that
maybe
only
two
percent
you
know
in
the
in
the
country
are
at
that
rating,
roughly
so
in
in
very
unique
situations
where
you
have
to
have,
for
example,
a
broad
and
diverse
economy,
you
have
to
have
good
fiscal
controls
and
management.
G
So
I
think
that
you
know
a
triple.
A
rating
reflects
very
positively
on
your
community,
not
only
from
the
perspective
of
the
residents
and
the
businesses
and
the
diverse
economy,
but
also
from
the
management
and
operations
of
the
government
itself,
and
then
you
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
from
the
rating
agency's
perspective,
you
know
they
want
to
know.
Can
you
pay
back
your
debt?
G
That's
really
what
a
triple
a
rating
or
highest
rating
tells
you
and
some
of
the
other
key
considerations
there
that
they
indicated
that
you
know
you
have
the
ability,
the
community,
the
ability
to
raise
property
taxes,
but
but
I
do
understand,
I
think
that
the
income
tax
is
sort
of
at
the
limit
that
it
can
go
to.
So
maybe
you
know
in
the
future.
G
You
know
the
the
ability
to
increase
revenues
to
pay
for
new
services
could
be
constrained
somewhat
right.
That's
again
getting
back
to
those
benefits.
Establishing
a
new
fee
and
a
dedicated
funding
source
for
solid
waste
could
say,
sort
of
overcome
that
challenge
and
may
make
sense.
G
So
they
indicated
some
of
what
are
the
risks
are
to
the
aaa
rating,
and
that
means
that
if
the
general
fund
were
to
have
a
debt
load
that
goes
above
10
of
personal
income,
that
could
sort
of
be
a
challenge
to
the
rating
where
they
may
knock
it
down
or
consider
putting
the
county
on
a
watch
if
other
post
employment
benefits.
So
that's
related
to
our
you
know:
government
staff
and
the
post-employment
benefits
similar
like
pensions
they
may
receive
afterwards.
G
G
So
I
have
some
charts
that
I
put
together
just
from
the
2019
kafir.
It
shows
that
the
income
taxes
on
the
leftmost
chart
income
tax
is
about
40
percent
of
the
general
fund
revenues.
G
Taxes
are
about
50
public
service
taxes
are
about
9,
so
I
think
I
mentioned
earlier
on
the
last
slide
that
you
know
the
property
taxes
is
that
element
that
could
be
increased,
but
obviously
nobody
likes
raising
taxes
and
then
one
element
of
the
expenditures
the
general
fund
is
responsible,
for
you
know,
is
the
bureau
of
solid
waste
management,
and
so
the
chart
right
next
to
it,
sort
of
gives
you
a
breakdown
of
what
the
annual
costs
were
in
operating
costs
were
in
2019,
and
so
you
can
see
that
you
know
by
far
in
large.
G
You
know
refuse
collection
was
a
major
element
of
that
cost
and
the
way
that
that's
funded
is
really
coming
from
the
general
fund
revenues
there.
So
one
of
the
benefits
of
creating
an
enterprise
fund.
I
think
the
rating
agencies
would
concur
that
by
creating
a
new
fee,
you
reduce
the
burden
on
the
general
fund.
You
know
you're,
essentially
increasing
the
revenues.
Typically,
when
you
establish
a
fee
because
typically
an
enterprise
fund,
if
you're
going
to
create
it,
has
to
have
a
fee
and
has
to
be
self-supporting.
G
The
other
thing
is:
is
that
your
enterprise
fund,
another
benefit,
is
you're
going
to
have
separate
operating
and
capital
reserves
you're
going
to
be
able
to
set
aside
for
closure
and
post-closure
care,
and
you
know,
setting
aside
for
your
operating
capital,
helps
you
with
that
long-term
planning
goals
we
talked
about
earlier
and
then.
Lastly,
you
know
the
enterprise
fund
gets
back
to
the
whole
operate
like
a
business,
so
it
promotes
sustainable
funding
to
achieve
those
objectives.
Next
slide,
please!
G
G
You
know,
maybe
not
everybody
is
comparable,
but
just
kind
of
some
neighboring
folks,
and
we
have
anne
arundel,
county
city
of
baltimore,
carroll,
county
harford,
county
howard,
county,
montgomery,
county
and
prince
george's
county,
and
so,
as
you
can
kind
of
see,
many
of
them
are
set
up
as
an
enterprise
fund
and
most
of
them
charge
a
fee
for
residential
collection
services
and
those
fees
on
an
annual
basis
sort
of
range
around
300
to
330
dollars
a
year.
You
know
thinking
back
to
the
slide.
G
I
was
presenting
a
second
ago
where
we
were
looking
at
the
cost
to
the
bureau
of
solid
waste
management.
If
we
were
to
take
just
that,
the
annual
refuse
collection
costs
roughly
that
47
million
dollars
and
we
were
to
divide
it
by
you-
know
the
number
of
households
in
the
county
about
340
000.
I
think
that
translates
to
you
know
an
annual
fee
in
that
50
to
100
range,
which
I
thought
was
kind
of
interesting,
so
not
suggesting
that
that's
a
fee.
G
You
would
charge,
but
just
a
simple
way,
to
sort
of
think
about
that
for
some
food
for
thought.
There
next
slide
please,
and
so
I
think
you
know
henrietta
if,
if
you'd
like
I'd
like
to
maybe
turn
the
reins
over
to
you
and
see,
if
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
and
close
us
off
on
the
presentation.
J
J
Thoughtful
communication
is
required
as
a
part
of
a
change
like
this,
and
you
know
we
recommend
that
there's
both
communication
with
customers
and
engagement
throughout
the
process.
It's
critical
to
do
so.
It
helps
build
community
understanding
about
the
change
and
how
it
will
improve
operations
and
benefit
customers.
So
that
idea
of
communicating
benefit
is
really
important.
J
As
you
know,
you
can't
just
tell
the
community
what
you're
going
to
do,
but
also
you
know,
facilitate
opportunities
for
customers
to
engage,
and
you
know
the
surveying
that
I've
heard
about
that's
already.
A
part
of
this
process
is
a
good
start.
J
The
involvement
of
stakeholders
early
and
often
in
the
process
of
decision
making
really
promotes
equity
and
fairness
and
yields
a
product
that
the
community
will
will
more
generally
support
and
helps
reinforce
the
reputation
of
the
county
as
engaging
with
its
stakeholders.
J
And
so
the
some
of
the
steps
involved
are
developing
a
plan,
a
platform
and
engaging
in
a
research
based
and
measurable
way,
providing
for
no
surprises
and
a
positive
outcome.
When
decision
time
comes
next
slide.
Jennifer.
J
So
I'll
just
talk
for
a
couple
minutes
about
some
key
takeaways
related
to
the
process
of
changing
from
a
general
fund,
funded
program
to
an
enterprise
fund
or
even
a
special
revenue
fund.
Where
there's
a
fee
for
service.
J
J
And
one
of
the
things
that
we
find
is
that
when
a
customer
goes
from
not
directly
seeing
what
they're
paying
for,
because
it's
in
their
taxes
to
you
know
experiencing
a
separate
fee
for
a
solid
waste
service,
is
that
they
not
only
want
to
understand
what
they're
getting,
but
they
might
expect
more,
just
simply
as
part
of
the
process
of
of
having
that
fee
in
a
more
visible
manner.
J
So
that's
really
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
you
transition
is,
is
the
the
change
to
a
fee
also
associated
with
a
change
in
service
and
improvement
in
service
from
the
customer's
perspective,
and
whether
or
not
there
is
it's
really
important
to
strongly
communicate
what
the
service
is
as
a
part
of
the
transition,
so
that
customers
aren't
surprised
and
don't
suddenly,
you
know
begin
to
expect
a
twice
a
week
service
or
whatever
it
is.
J
Then
the
next
thing
I'll
say
is
that
data
maintenance
is
an
expanded
obligation
under
a
fee
for
service,
because,
as
terry
related
you
know,
the
fee
is
related
to
the
customer's
demand
for
service
instead
of
just
a
function
of
their
taxes.
And
so
you
know
on
the
tax
side,
this
is
sort
of
done
for
you.
You
know,
because
it's
ad
valorem
paid
through
the
general
fund
so
that
the
solid
waste
folks
don't
have
to
think
about
per
se.
J
J
However,
you
know
there.
There
are
considerations
around
customers
who
don't
already
have
a
tax
bill,
but
should
be
charged
for
solid
waste
and
that
kind
of
question-
and
so
you
know
carefully
planning
ahead
and
making
sure
that
that
that
process
of
charging
the
fee
likely
on
the
tax
bill
could
go
smoothly
and
that
customers
receive
the
correct
charge,
both
at
the
outset,
when
they're
going
to
be
really
really
interested
to
see
the
new
fee
and
also
in
the
future,
whenever
their
need
for
service
or
service
circumstances
change
and
then.
J
J
You
know
it's
its
ups
and
downs
and
and
solid
waste
funding
can
also
have
its
ups
and
downs
and
so
that
that
ability
to
plan
ahead
and
depend
on
projections
of
revenue
over
the
long
term
can
really
help
reduce.
You
know
they
help
reduce
your
reliance
on
variable
funding
or
potentially
very
variable
funding,
plan
ahead
and
improve
the
quality
of
service
over
time,
and
so
with
that
I'll
conclude,
you
know
we
can.
J
We
might
be
taking
questions
later
jennifer,
but
we
can
certainly
no.
D
A
I
have
I
have
a
question
I'd
like
to
ask
when
you
talked
about
the
the
billing
part
of
it.
Do
jurisdictions
opt
to
outsource
that
the
collection
and
management,
if
that's
not
something
that
they
already
have
in
their
operating
environment,.
A
To
in
order
to
collection
and
management
of
those
fees
coming
in
and
out,
because
that's
a
pretty
intense
transactional
operation,
that's.
J
Right
typically,
I
would
say
most
often
jurisdictions
have
some
sort
of
existing
billing
collections
mechanism
available
to
them
like
the
tax
bill
and
and
this
and
the
solid
waste
fee
is.
J
You
know
glommed
on
to
that
if
I
can
use
already
glondon
or
if
they
have
a
a
county
wide
utility
that
sort
of
covers
the
whole
service
area,
they
might,
as
I
say,
piggyback
onto
that
bill
in
some
cases,
and
I
will
point
to
some
jurisdictions
in
in
pennsylvania:
they
they
have
outsourced
their
billing
and
collection
of
taxes
and,
along
with
it,
some
other
fees,
but
I
that's
a
little
bit
less
frequent.
J
It's
I
think
it's
more
typical
to,
as
I
say,
piggyback
onto
an
existing
fee
and
jump
onto
that
now.
I
think
that's
a
good
thought
that
maybe
you're
thinking
ahead
on
in
that
you
know
making
sure
that
you
have
the
proper
collections
available
to.
You
is
a
good
idea.
A
Any
other
questions
that
I
have
in
this
range
that
you
talked
about
this
book
50
to
100
range,
did
that
take
into
consideration,
which
it
probably
didn't,
the
additional
costs
that
would
be
associated
with
administering
the
fund.
G
No,
it
didn't.
It
was
just
the
straight
collection
cost.
You
know
when
we
did
it
and
you
know
obviously
there'd
be
other.
You
know
additional
costs,
you
you
know
once
you
start.
If
you,
you
also
need
to
consider
the
disposal
cost
attributable
to
that
as
well,
but
but
yeah.
So
it's
it
was
just
it.
You
know,
because
a
lot
of
times
when
you
think
about
this
transition
to
the
enterprise
fund,
you
know
you
may
want
to
phase
in
that
transition
over
time.
G
You
wouldn't
you
may
not
necessarily
want
to
stop
having
the
general
fund
contribute
resources
to
fund
operations,
and
you
may
want
to
have
a
plan
of
a
multi-year
phase-in
to
a
self-sustaining
fee
and
the
reason
why
you
may
want
to
do.
That
is
because
it
gets
folks
in
the
community
sort
of
used
to
paying
it.
G
But
it's
not
a
big
impact
to
their
budget
right
away,
because
again,
you're
going
to
be
changing
in
your
community
who's
paying
for
the
service
and
allowing
aligning
that
more
with
who's
sort
of
receiving
the
service,
because
the
way
that
it's
the
cost
is
recovered.
Now
some
customers
may
not
be
even
getting
service
from
the
county
and
they're
kind
of
paying,
for
you
know
that
service
or
it
may
be
disproportional.
C
So
you
answered
one
of
my
questions
because
the
range
between
the
costs
for
trash
service
was
297
a
year
to
330
a
year
and
one
of
the
tables
that
was
was
presented,
and
that
seems
really
cheap
to
me.
That
seems
like
a
really
affordable,
but
that
I
think
in
this
in
the
question
from
stacy
that
only
that
didn't
account
for
disposal.
G
And
and
I'm
making
an
assumption
about
the
number
of
households
you
would
recover
that
cost
from
just
based
on
some
general
information
that
gbb
had
shared
with
me.
So
I
you
know,
I
wouldn't
put
a
lot
of
credibility
to
the
value
is
more
of
just
a
back
of
the
envelope
figure.
K
Plus
you'd
have
to
include
debt
service
on
solid
waste
costs,
other
indirect
costs
right
and
other
further
things
added
in
there,
which
would
bring
it
more
comparable.
Probably.
L
Matt
matt,
if
I
could
just
say
something,
montgomery
county's
number
330,
is
the
the
line
item
that
appears
on
my
tax
bill
as
a
solid
waste
user
fee
for
all
the
services.
The
county
provides
me:
collection,
processing,
transfer,
station
drop
health,
centers
murph
waste
energy
transport,
a
residue
to
a
landfill.
So
that's
a
that
330
number
up
at
that
level
is
for
everything,
prego
right.
Everything.
C
Okay,
well
harvey!
That's
the
point
I
want.
I
wanted
to
expand
upon
my
point:
if
that's
the
cost,
I
think
if
we
looked
at
this
transformative-
and
I
heard
the
county
executive
say
there
are
no
limits
to
the
thinking
on
this
correct.
What
if
we
looked
at
how
we
viewed
our
property
tax
bill
right
now,
the
only
itemization
is
water
right.
A
Killer
and
just
water,
distribution
and
storage.
E
C
Know
that's
an
easy
one.
You
know
if
you're,
if
your
property
tax
is-
and
the
only
difficulty
is,
if
I'm
mixing
up
income
tax
and
property
tax,
but
if,
let's
say
hypothetically,
that
the
dollar
of
property
tax
and
income
tax
are
of
the
same
proportion.
C
E
C
C
We
also
itemize
on
that
trash
bill.
What
your
solid!
Let's
say
you
pay,
let's
use
easy
math.
Let's
say
your
property
tax
is
a
thousand
dollars
and
of
that
thousand
dollars,
and
it
said
on
the
bill
to
each
household
that
510
is
for
education
and
you
now,
if
you
don't
have
children
in
school,
you
still
have
to
pay
for
it.
So
it's
a
service.
C
C
So
then,
you
also
have
a
certain
amount
for
public
safety.
You
have
a
certain
amount
and
this
might
be
an
enterprise
fund.
I
think
water
and
sewer,
which
we
are
we
itemize
now
and
then,
for
you
know
this
basic
service
of
having
your
trash
picked
up.
We
itemize
that
on
the
tax
bill,
and
I
think
that
may
allow
us
to
address
some
of
the
shortfalls
that
we've
identified
in
a
way
where
we
can
communicate
it
to
every
household
that
has
property
tax
in
itemizing,
as
you
would
in
a
grocery
store.
C
If
you
went
to
a
grocery
store
and
you
got
all
your
food
and
they
said
that'll
be
a
hundred
and
ten
dollars,
but
there
was
no
itemization,
you
might
be
confused
as
to
what
cost
what
and
what
what
you're
paying
for
so
I'm
suggesting
if
we
think
out
of
the
box.
Similarly,
for
these
basic
components,
maybe
the
other
one
might
be
streets
and
roads
and
streets-
and
you
know
these
basic
components:
how
much
of
that
property
tax
dollar
goes
into
it
and
harvey.
L
Montgomery
county
has
a
line
item
called
the
solid
waste
fee
and
they
give
they
send
you
in
your
tax
bill,
a
little
brochure
that
explains
why
you're
charged
what
you're
charged,
if
you
have
collection
services,
if
you
have
this,
you
have
that
so
the
the
actual
fee
varies
depending
upon
where
you
live,
because
in
the
northern
part
of
the
county,
it's
open
market,
you
don't
have
the
county
hauler.
You
have
to
price
your
own
holler,
so
there's
a
lower
charge
like
40
to
the
upper
county,
but
it's
very
clear.
L
C
So
miss
rogers,
it's
just
something.
I'm
throwing
out
there
to
consider.
It
would
be
transformative-
something
we've
never
really
done
before,
but
I
think
other
jurisdictions.
C
I've
seen
tax
bills
from
other
jurisdictions
that
do
have
an
itemization
of
how
your
tax
dollar
is
spent
and
also
it
fits
into
one
of
the
goals
of
the
oshevsky
administration,
which
is
to
be
more
transparent
than
we've.
A
Been
councilmember
patelka,
definitely
worth
pursuing
and
exploring,
and
also
benchmarking
with
jurisdictions.
We
have
this
nice
list
of
jurisdictions
that
have
enterprise
funds
looking
at
how
they
they
list
that
to
be
transparent.
I
will
say
that
in
our
work
on
the
water
sewer
style,
because
you
know
we're
doing
work
on
that
side
too
many
jurisdictions
moved
away
from
placing
their
water
and
sewer
services
on
the
tax
bill.
H
Yeah
I
asked
a
couple
questions
stacy.
If
I
may
steve
lafferty
good
morning,
steve
yeah
sure
thank
you
from
what
henrietta
and
terry
have
said.
Have
they
seen
a
change?
I
have
actually
it's
a
multiple
part
question:
have
the
jurisdictions
change
their
systems
of
collection
as
they
have
changed
the
financing
structure
or
have
they
basically
adopted
the
system
that
was
in
place?
G
G
Well,
maybe
harvey
or
steve
wants
to
jump
into
here,
but.
D
To
henrietta's
point
in
her
presentation
saying
that
oftentimes
residents,
when
making
the
change
wanted
to
have
something
in
return,
especially
if
there
was
an
increase.
So
I
think
that
is
the
contemplation
hero.
You
know,
while
you're
making
a
change
to
also
improve
service
at
the
same
time
is
that
right,
henrietta.
A
Hey
we
have
that
question
on
the
survey.
We
do
have
a
question
that
talks
about
changes,
that
how
do
you
feel
about
certain
changes,
but
then
a
question
about?
Are
you
willing
to
pay
more
for
certain
things?
So
we're
really
looking
forward
to
getting
the
analysis
on
the
survey
to
really
look
at
that
part.
L
To
answer
steve's
question:
I've
seen
many
juris
jurisdictions
implement
an
enterprise
fund
at
the
time
that
they
decided
to
offer
contract
residential
services
as
a
means
of
you
know,
assuring
you
know
funding
for
it.
The
situation
would
have
been
an
open
market
where
there
were
several
haulers,
providing
the
same
service
on
the
same
street,
so
they
closed
the
market
they
contracted.
L
H
E
L
L
So
if,
if
you
live
in
the
up
county,
you
can
either
hire
a
hauler
and
pay
30
40
bucks
extra
a
month
for
the
service
or
take
your
waste
to
the
transfer
station
and
not
use
a
hauler.
If
you're
in
the
other
areas,
you
get
the
waste
collection
service,
everyone
gets
the
recycling
service,
the
yard
waste
service,
the
curbside
here,
it's
dual
stream
paper
and
containers
collection
and
a
call
up
bulky
service
as
well.
Everyone
gets
that
it's
just
the
trash
collection
is
optional.
I
It's
it's
also
in
montgomery
county,
the
yard
trim
pickup
in
the
fall
is
optional,
and
it
is
worth
pointing
out
that,
yes,
there
are
four
counties:
montgomery
and
arundel
howard
and
prince
george's
that
have
a
fee
and
the
fee
in
prince
george's
county
is
356
dollars
per
year.
I
Epa
very
aggressively
advocated
for
fee
systems
in
the
actually
in
the
late
70s.
When
a
lot
of
this
was
very
new,
has
a
way
of
shifting
the
burden
off
the
tax
rolls
onto
dedicated
account,
and
it
does
offer
that
that
that
option,
but
again
the
residents
will
pay
right.
The
question
is,
if
they're,
paying
through
a
a
fee
or
if
they're,
paying
through
their
taxes-
and
there
will
be
residents
who
will
clear
their
throats
and
say,
are
my
taxes
going
down
and
if
you
fail.
K
A
Pass
to
that,
to
that
point,
that's
what
that's
the
part
of
the
the
issue
of
doing
this
it
being
perceived
and
goes
back.
I
think,
to
the
statements
about
perception
with
respect
to
in
increased
taxation
as
opposed
to
a
user
fee
we
have
to.
A
We
have
to
deal
with
with
that,
because
when
we
did
the
changes
recent
well,
the
first
year
of
the
administration
to
close
the
deficit
that
we
have,
we
had
to
do.
A
lot
of
education
about
the
property
tax
did
not
go
up.
Baltimore
county
did
not
change
the
unit
cost
of
property
tax
taxes
went
up
because
assessments
went
up,
which
is
we
don't
control
the
state
control,
so
that
education,
part
is,
is
definitely
something
especially
if
it
were
something
we
attached
to
the
tax
bill.
I
A
And
that's
something
I
was
going
to
ask
you
how
it's,
how
it's
implemented
referendum
or
legislation,
just
how.
H
H
What
is
the
impact
on
the
enterprise
fund?
Because
the
county,
you
know,
pays
what
the
county
pays
and
we
have
our
billing
services
through
our
typical,
I
mean
so,
if
you're,
if
you're
successful
in
doing
what
you
say
you
want
to
do,
which
is
reduce
waste,
then
that
collection,
fee
or
the
enterprise
fee
theoretically
would
go
down.
G
Yeah,
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
we
do
a
lot
of
long-range
economic,
financial,
modeling
and,
generally
speaking,
what
we
found
when
we
do
these
studies
and
we're
looking
at
you
know:
waste
diversion
and
conservation
and
reduction
of
which
generation
it
typically
results
in
a
financial
benefit
to
the
community,
because
oftentimes,
the
cost
that
you
have
to
incur
to
find
in
order
to
continue
to
get
rid
of
the
amount
of
waste
that's
being
generated,
is
a
higher
cost
over
the
long
run.
G
So
I
think
that
there
is
an
inherent
you
know:
financial
benefit
in
addition
to
environmental
and
other
societal
benefits
to,
and
probably
why
that
waste
hierarchy.
Kind
of
is
the
way
that
it
is
now
in
regards
to.
I
think
what
the
impact
is
to
the
enterprise
fund
it
can.
It
can
be
impacted,
a
few
different
ways,
and
so
you
know
I'm
sort
of
arguing
that
in
the
long
run
it's
gonna
be
better
in
the
short
run,
you
know
you
could
have
additional
costs,
because
you
need
to
build
facilities
or
fund
different
services.
G
I
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
items
being
looked
at
is
possibly
organics
collection.
Things
like
that,
there's
going
to
be
some
additional
inherent
upfront
costs
to
do
these
types
of
things,
but
in
the
long
run
the
enterprise
fund
should
be
benefited
because
we're
going
to
be
doing
things
more
efficiently
and
sustainably
over
the
long
run.
L
I
I
would
add
that
the
actual
reduction
of
what's
said
at
the
curb
will
be
very
small
where
the
stuff
goes
will
be
different
and
still
need
to
be
processed
and
handled
by
something
which
will
cost
money.
So
you.
L
You
know
the
more
the
more
things
you
collect,
cost
more
money
and
then
processing
it
in
different
ways:
cost
money,
the
revenues
that
are
achieved
from
that
processing.
You
know
offset
it
and,
as
we've
experienced
in
the
last
decade,
you
know
the
value
of
recyclables.
You
know
went
way
up
came
way
down,
they're
inching
back
up
now
and
that
creates
you
know
some
swings.
Some
significant
swings
that
you've
got
to
keep
in
mind
as
you
set
your
rates.
M
M
Yes,
you're
always
going
to
have
certain
costs
that
you
have,
regardless
of
how
much
material
is
processed
or
handled
in
that
one
stream.
So
to
harvey's
point
yeah
the
more
times
you
slice
a
waste
stream
into
pieces
that
you
have
to
manage
more
costs,
you're,
probably
going
to
have
to
cover,
in
some
fashion.
I
G
So
I
think
that
henrietta
may
want
to
speak
with
her
experience
on
the
stormwater
fund,
since
I
know
that
she's
lived
through
it
more
times
than
I
have.
B
G
My
understanding
and
I've
seen
it
kind
of
go
from
special
revenue
fund
to
enterprise
fund.
It
was
done
by
ordinance,
I
believe
or
resolution,
and
they
were
able
to.
But
you
know
I
I
don't
know
you
know
the
details.
You
know
the
political
workings
of
that,
so
I
wouldn't
defer
to
henrietta.
If
she
has
any
comment.
J
Yeah
terry's
right,
that's
more
frequent,
frequently
the
doneness.
J
More
frequent
yeah,
if
the
you
know,
I
think,
sometimes
for
safety.
J
It's
done
through
a
referendum
like
the
other
counties
that
you
described
or
somebody
described,
had
done
back
a
couple
decades
ago,
and
you
know
that
can
give
you
a
little
bit
more
certainty
in
the
legal
realm,
but
most
frequently
it's
it's
by
ordinance.
We.
A
D
Put
a
chat
and
if,
if
anybody
has
any
additional
comments
that
you
need
to
make
right
now,
please
wave
your
hand,
but
we
have
to
get
to
our
next
video
yeah.
We're
not
gonna
have
time.
But
if
you
have
something
you
haven't
said
we
do
have,
the
chat
is
working,
so
we
are
going.
Thank
you
so
much
to
henrietta
and
terry
in
good
group
discussion
and
we
are
going
to
go
to
our
next
speaker
and
it's
a
nice
transition
to
say
that
rap
telus
does
work
with
collier
county
on
rape
consultant.
D
I
want
to
just
give
mike
a
few
moments
here
to
introduce
our
next
speaker.
A
Jennifer
before
you
say
that
I
just
want
to
thank
our
our
our
guest
yeah
ref
tellis,
that
was
very
informative
and
answered
a
lot
of
questions
that
I
had.
Thank
you.
N
Well,
it's
my
great
pleasure
to
introduce
carrie
hodson
carrie
came
to
our
attention
here
in
the
bureau
in
2010
as
a
very
young,
solid
waste
engineer
from
another
county,
and
we
found
her.
She
was
being
way
underutilized
and
we
recognize
I'm
glad
to
say
we
recognize
talent
when
we
see
it
and
talent
is
something
that's
very
rare
and
carrie
is
a
rare
talent.
She
actually
worked
her
way
through
engineering
school
working
in
the
scale
house
at
a
landfill
where
she
then
worked
up
to
engineer.
We
were
fortunate
to
get
her
back
in
2010.
N
N
That's
technically
incredibly
qualified,
but
also
has
incredible
common
sense
and
she
is
able
to
go
from
the
board
room
talking
to
the
highest
people,
about
the
most
technical
things
to
going
to
the
landfill
and
putting
on
her
combat
boots
and
kicking
the
boys
butts
a
very
rare
trait
indeed,
and
a
few
years
ago
we
were
talking
about
the
issues
in
solid
waste
and
of
getting
cuts
and
funding,
and
all
that-
and
we
were
talking
ourselves
about
enterprise
fund
and
kerry-
said.
N
Let
me
research
it
so
carrie
went
out
on
her
own
and
she
started
interviewing
counties
with
enterprise
funds
and
the
one
thing
about
her
is:
she
has
an
incredible
passion
for
her
profession,
which
is
solid
waste
and
an
enterprise
fund
noticed
that
and
they
said
boy.
I
wonder
if
we
can
get
this
person
and
because
our
enterprise
fund,
they
made
her
an
offer,
she
couldn't
refuse
I'll.
Let
carrie
go
from
there.
O
Welcome
hi,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
everyone.
Today,
it's
an
honor
to
be
speaking,
and
thank
you
mike.
I
really
appreciate
the
kind
words
and
mike's
exactly
right.
I
went
out
searching
for
baltimore
county.
I
I
wanted
to
take
the
subsidizing
that
solid
waste
was
having
on
the
general
fund
and
make
sure
that
there
was
a
way
that
I
could
bring
a
full
package
together
to
say
we
can
do
this,
so
in
my
research
it
did.
It
ended
up
with
me
here
in
collier
county,
where
we
do
have
enterprise
funding.
O
So
I'm
really
excited
today
to
talk
to
you
about
enterprise
funding
and
some
of
the
differences
I
see
from
moving
from
a
funding
that
was
in
baltimore
county
with
the
general
fund
and
into
the
enterprise
funding
in
collier
county.
So
baltimore
county
holds
a
really
strong
place
in
my
heart.
So
during
my
tenure
under
mr
beachler,
mr
adams,
I
realized
very
quickly.
The
budget
can
be
a
really
complicated
process.
O
Most
of
the
time
it
was
shifting
the
crises
so
and
that's
a
lot
of
the
reason
why
we're
here
today
it
was
a
crisis
somewhere
and
and
so
solid
was
bent
their
back
and
and
now
here
we
are
saying:
what
can
we
do
different,
and
how
can
we
overcome
this?
So
when
I
was
doing
my
budget
in
baltimore
county,
I
priorized
the
operating
budget
by
compliance
and
I
pri
and
meeting
the
operational
needs,
and
I
prioritized
my
capital
budget.
O
The
driver
was
completely
compliance,
so
with
that
I
will
definitely
say:
baltimore
county
budget
administration
was
very
had
a
very
strong
understanding
of
the
priorities
that
it
took
to
operate
a
landfill
and
the
importance
of
that,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
attention
they
gave
to
our
equipment
package
and
that
we
were
able
always
able
to
have
the
basics,
because
that's
really
important
in
operation,
so
most
municipalities
might
have
to
fight
against
ambulances,
fire
engines
or
hey.
You
can
have
a
landfill
compactor.
O
You
know
you're,
never
going
to
win
that
battle,
so
in
baltimore
county.
A
lot
of
the
challenges
that
I
was
facing
was:
how
can
I
go
beyond
this
realm
of
just
getting
by?
How
can
I
increase
some
of
the
operations
that
we're
doing
with
efficient
and
modernizing?
O
How
can
I
replace
some
of
our
aged
infrastructure
and
actually
lay
out
a
plan
so
that
I'm
not
saying
okay,
maybe
what
this
will
get
you
by
one
more
year
and
and
then
you
know
thinking
about
it
well-rounded
when
you
come
to
the
the
collection
services,
because
I
knew
to
try
and
come
up
with
this
funding
source,
I
would
also
have
to
look
at
the
collection,
so
what
services
are
we
providing
to
our
public
and
how
are
they
benefiting
them?
O
Terry
had
mentioned
that
shareholder
communication
is
a
large
stake
in
enterprise
funding.
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
overall,
the
largest
challenge
was
that
I
wanted
to
take
initiative
to
improve
and
make
recommendations,
but
I
wasn't
able
to
bring
a
finance
package
with
that
to
the
table
and
I
knew
matt
carpenter
was
not
going
to
be
happy
if
I
didn't
bring
the
finance
package
to
so
that
was
what
led
me
on
my
chase
for
enterprise
funding.
O
O
O
O
His
includes
the
disposal
and
every
and
and
a
bunch
of
other
collection
services,
and
that's
what
else
does
here
in
collier
county
as
well,
when
we
give
that
transparency
to
the
residents
on
their
tax
bill,
they
see
that
whole
number
and
what
it's
broken
up
so
I
put
in
here
another
for
you
know,
snow
removal
in
in
baltimore
county
might
be
a
an
other
that
you
might
want
to
put
into
that.
O
A
lot
of
enterprise
funds
in
florida
have
started
adding
a
recycling
piece
to
theirs,
and
some
of
them
have
put
a
flat
50
rate
in
there.
So
you
know
you
have
a
collection
piece
for
your
curbside
services,
your
disposal
and
we
have
an
administrative
fee,
and
then
you
might
need
to
have
another
recycling,
something
of
that
nature.
O
At
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
your
business
model.
Your
goal
isn't
revenue
like
it
is
a
business
model.
Your
goal
is
service
and
making
sure
that
you
can
support
your
operations
and
your
capital
plan
so
structure,
a
lots
for
cost
accounting
and
the
philosophy
is
that
those
who
are
paying
are
those
who
are
benefiting.
O
So
you
know,
as
mentioned
before,
it's
garbage
it's
it's
it's
it's
not
sexy!
It's
sensitive,
it's
it's
political!
So
a
lot
of
what
has
to
happen
with
enterprise
funding
is
policy.
So
terry
had
touched
on
this
as
well.
Some
of
the
challenges
with
any
government
that's
opting
to
change
their
tax
structure
is,
is
the
implementation,
and
how
would
you
enable
to
this
to
happen?
This
is
where
that
shareholder
communication
is
a
very
high
value.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you
have
a
survey
out.
O
I
think
that's
going
to
serve
a
lot
of
value
and
some
people
might
see
it
as
a
regressive
tax
or
want
to
know
if
their
tax
bills
are
coming
down.
So
this
is
where
you
have
to
say:
you
know
we're
going
to
increase
your
levels
of
service,
so
you
won't
really
see
a
change.
You're
going
to
now
have
containers
you're
now
going
to
have
a
block
waste,
so
these
are
part
of
the
the
strategies
and
initiatives
that
have
to
be
incorporated
into
an
implementation
when
a
government
changes
its
tax
structure.
O
Terry
is
the
consultant
that
I
use
here
had
for
rate
studies,
and
we
were
talking
a
lot
about
this
phased-in
approach
and
I
will
definitely
say
that
it
is
something
I
highly
recommend
because
it
does
allow
the
residents
to
to
get
acclimated
to
the
new
structure
next
side
piece,
so
enterprise
funds,
while
they
can
be
viewed
as
aggressive,
they
also
can
provide
support
to
the
general
fund,
so
we're
no
longer
subsidized
by
the
general
fund,
we're
now
adding
a
revenue
to
it,
which
is
wonderful
in
baltimore
county.
O
That
was
my
goal:
relieving
the
general
fund
of
subsidizing
the
solid
waste
needs.
So
when
you
have
an
enterprise
fund
with
appropriate
policy,
you
not
only
relieve
the
general
funds
of
this
critical
service
and
you
add
this
revenue
source.
It
helps
to
sustain
the
millage
as
well,
which
is
really
important,
and
I
I
don't
think
I've
heard
that
talked
about
too
much,
but
that's
something
big
that
our
budget
office
looks
at
here
is:
what's
the
millage?
That's
the
first
question
everybody
wants
to
know.
O
So
you
know:
baltimore
county
has
an
amazing
bond
rating
and
that
there's
also
avenues
for
inter-government
loans.
The
best
example
I
can
give
of
this
when
I
came
to
collier
county,
I
found
I
had
an
inter-government
loan
for
hurricane
irma
and
I
found
that
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
on
that
loan
and
that
I
owned,
and
I
I
owed
the
general
fund
over
a
million
dollars
in
interest
alone.
O
So
for
for
walking
in
and
saying
oh
wow.
You
know
you
really
learned
that
there's
different
avenues
that
you
can
levy
your
funding,
so
you
know
you
have
to
support
your
operations.
You
have
to
support
your
services
and
your
programs
and
your
capital,
and
then
you
also
offer
funds
to
the
the
general
fund.
You
mentioned
the
fund
being
on
your
tax
bill.
O
O
Yep,
so
enterprise
funds
really
do
require
policy
and
guidance.
These
lend
your
drivers
and
they
allow
you
to
forecast.
O
Maybe
you
have
a
policy
to
maintain
a
pay
as
you
go
for
flexibility,
maybe
your
policy
is
to
maintain
bond
covenants
which
lends
to
response
fiscal
responsibility.
O
Maybe
you
have
guidance
to
provide
each
household
with
a
trash
container
by
2025.,
so
whatever
the
policy
might
be,
you
might
even
find
you
have
to
establish
local
ordinance
for
trash
collection.
Somebody
who
might
oppose
it
might
say
I
don't
want
to
pay
that
I'm
going
to
go,
take
my
waste
to
the
landfill.
O
So
we
do
have
some
local
policies
here,
there's
a
few
state
policies
as
well,
surrounded
by
the
enterprise
funds
and
how
they're
done,
but
there's
also
a
lot
some
local
policies
that
align
our
budget
guidance
and
that
we
have
to
approve
every
year
that
we're
compliant
with
so
regard
of
of
what
the
policies
are.
O
You
can
forecast,
and
that's
exactly
what
this
model
shows
you
here
is:
what
are
my
policies
and
what
are
my
cash
balances
based
on
what
I'm
forecasting
my
my
tipping
rates
to
be,
and
my
assessment,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
what
that
ends
you
with
is
is
no
capital
deferment,
and
you
know
you
have
guaranteed
times.
You
know
that
the
curbside
waste
is
going
to
come
in,
so
you
have
a
baseline
somewhere
of
how
much
funding
you
have
to
support
your
operations
and
you
can
take
it
from
from
there.
A
O
Sure,
I'm
not
sure
how
it
was
implemented.
It
was
here
when
I
came
and
it's
been
in
this
way
for
quite
some
time.
What
I
will
say
is
I
heard
you
talking
about
benchmarking.
I
think
that's
really
crucial
and
critical,
and
what
I
just
did
was.
O
I
had
originally
contracted
with
terry's
group
for
a
rate
sufficiency
study
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
ended
up
doing
an
equitable
balance
across
our
tip
fees
and
realigning
those
and
I'll
be
taking
those
to
our
board
to
make
a
recommendation
to
set
the
tip
fees
for
three
years
and
and
so
you
really
have
what
what
I
am
doing
is
I
hire
a
financial
consultant
like
rafa
telus,
to
help
me
go
through
those
guy,
the
guidance
of
where
the
fees
to
go,
so
the
implementation
would
be
a
lot
of
benchmarking
and
seeing
what
other
people
are
doing
and
again
shareholders
and
that
phased-in
approach
that
was,
that
was
discussed.
I
I've
got
a
question
for
kerry
that
that
was
an
excellent
presentation.
I
appreciate
what
you
gave.
You
said.
One
thing
that
really
threw
me
for
a
loop
said
that
the
goal
is
not
revenue
yeah.
Is
it
revenue
what
it's
all
about,
but
putting
revenue
in
a
more
sustainable
and
less
political
position,
because
you
got
to
have
working
over
the
expenses.
O
You
can
call
it
revenue
and,
I
believe,
even
on
one
of
my
slides,
I
had
my
my
cash
balance
slide
used
to
say
revenue,
so
your
revenue
is
really
what
your
carry
forward
is
it's
what
your
funds
are.
I
have
a
hurricane
fund.
You
might
have
a
snow
fund,
you
know,
so
your
revenue
is
essentially
what
you're
putting
to
the
side
in
reserves.
O
If
you
want
to
choose
to
use
reserves
to
pay
for
a
capital,
something
that
happened,
that
you
didn't
forecast,
that's
where
those
revenues
or
reserves
would
come
into
play.
I
I
I
One
other
thought
I'd
have
very
quickly,
though
it
would
have
to
be.
How
do
you
deal
with
unanticipated
expenses
and
impact
such
as
the
pandemic,
and
how
do
you
deal
with
new
significant
capital
projects,
whether
it's
a
new
recycling
facility,
a
new
yard
waste,
anaerobic
digestion
facility,
or
what
have
you?
How
do
you
put
that
into
the
fee
system.
O
You
can
do
it
a
several
different
there's
several
different
mechanisms.
That's
when
I
would
recommend
that
if
you
have
a
large
project
like
that,
you
sit
down
with
your
budget
office
as
well
as
your
your
budget
experts
within
your
enterprise
fund
and
you
sit
down
with
the
financial
team
expert.
You
have
a
consulting
firm
and
you
play
out
different
scenarios.
O
You
might
find
that
there
is
a
certain
percentage
that
you
want
a
lot
every
year
into
a
fund
to
support
that
capital
infrastructure
you
might
find
as
right
now.
The
bond
market
is
amazing
and
you
it's
a
good
time
to
invest
in
that.
So
you
decide
to
do
that
and
then
you
set
up
a
rate
structure
to
pay
that
back
over
some
course
of
time.
Then
you
have
a
lot
of
responsibility
and
accountability
for
your,
your
payback
and
your
bond
covenants.
O
I
I
O
D
L
Yeah,
a
major
difference
with
the
enterprise,
the
the
number
of
reserve
funds
that
are
set
aside,
an
open
ambassador
fund,
an
equipment
replacement
reserve
fund,
you
know
and
if
they're
set
large
enough,
they
can
absorb.
You
know
extraneous
costs
like
a
storm.
You
know
a
storm
hitting
a
hurricane
hitting
you
know,
perhaps
maybe
not
all
of
us,
but
at
least
get
you.
You
know
into
responding
to
the
operation
while
you
chase
fema
money.
So
you
can,
you
know,
do
things
and
not?
L
You
know
not
strap
the
general
fund
with
with
that
and
it
takes
a
while
to
build
up
those
funds.
You
can't
just
fund,
you
know
a
hundred
million
dollars.
You
can't
you
know,
fund
25
million
at
once,
or
15
million
all
at
once.
You
phase
it
in
you,
build
it
up
over
five
or
ten
years.
A
Okay
glad
you
said
that,
because
that
was
my
question
about
you
know
gradually
reducing
burden
of
general
fund,
but
it
doesn't
happen
over
the
night.
Okay,
you
would
have
to
still
have
some
fun
to
run
the
operation
and
gradually
build
the
enterprise
fund.
So
you
could
do
some
of
the
projects
kind
of
forecasting
that
run
the
operation
and
then
have
enough
revenue
to
then
do
some
other
things.
L
There,
the
just
the
program
and
the
services
of
the
infrastructure
cost
impact
is
going
to
be
a
lot
and
then,
if
you
layer
on
top
of
that,
you
know
reasonable
levels
of
replacement
funds,
funding
replacement
funds,
it's
it's
makes
it
even
worse
harder.
So
you
know,
you've
got
to
be
you've,
got
to
think
through
that,
but
we
feel
it's
very
important
to
escape
in
an
enterprise
fund.
A
major
advantage
is
you
establish
those
funds?
L
You
have
them
and
you
use
them
as
as
time
goes
on,
but
you
have
to
build
them
up
when
you're,
starting
from
zero.
L
N
Yeah
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
bring
up
that
kerry-
and
I
were
always
frustrated
about
and
is
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize-
is
the
the
barmer
county
bureau.
Solid
waste
is,
is
entrepreneurial
and,
depending
on
the
year
in
the
markets,
we
bring
anywhere
from
20
to
26
million
dollars
revenue
in
to
the
bureau,
which
goes
to
the
general
fund.
So,
while
solid
waste
is
entrepreneurial,
that
money,
we
don't
get
any
benefit
from
it
that
could
be
applied
if
we
were
a
enterprise
fund.
L
O
No,
I
had
not
got
that
far
in
baltimore
county,
the
largest
challenge.
I
actually
went
to
three
different
counties
when
I
started
researching
this
under
under
mike's
regime
and
and
was
really
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
how
we
tied
it
into
collections
and
how
we
also
portrayed
this
to
our
budget
and
then
the
political
side
of
it
and
then
giving
them
that
full
package.
So
they
were
comfortable
to
move
it
forward
to
the
residence.
So
I
I
still
getting
into
the
legislative
side
on
it.
I
didn't
get
there.
I
L
Yeah,
that's
for
a
system
benefit
charge.
Chad
and
the
reason
for
that
is
so
that
you
can.
You
know
you
can
do
the
enterprise
fund,
but
you
have
the
ability
to
put
that
charge
on
a
tax
bill
and.
E
F
L
Support
you
know,
revenue,
bonds,
project
financing
and
create
a
a
flow
of
money
that
makes
makes
the
image.
L
Fingers
crossed
on
that,
but
I
I
I
heard
you
know
when
montgomery
county
went
forward.
Prince
george's
county
went
for
it.
It
wasn't
that
hard,
but
it
did
you
know
it
did
get
get
some
attention.
As
I
recall.
A
Can
do
is
recapture
who
captured
those
items,
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
would
need,
whether
it
be
a
state,
legislative
item
or
bond
reference
I
mean
whatever
we
would
have
to
could
do
to
you
know,
initiate
a
recognition
when
it
comes
to
legislative
regulatory
pieces.
I
feel
like
we
need,
after
that,
to
the
recommendation
here
right.
I
think
we
talked
about
it.
L
And
that's
where
the
lead
time,
you
know
you
can't
establish
it.
You
know
the
next
day.
You've
got
to
do
some
things
schedule
give
you
the
authority
to
do
it.
You
might
take
a
you
know.
At
least
a
year
to
you
know,
to
do
what
you
need
to
do
to
be
able
to
have
the
authority
as
well
as
plan
for
it,
because
there's
a
lot
involved.
There's
a
lot
involved
here
in
going
to
an
enterprise
fund,
and
that
would
be
a
question
I'd
have
for
terry
is
in
his
experience.
L
You
know
what
is
what
has
he
seen
the
lead
time
to
put
one
in
place
and
in
his
experiences.
G
Yeah
I
mean
in
the
sewer
benefit
or
the
solid
waste
benefit
fee
yeah
the
time
on
it
yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
you've
got
to
look
at
the
local
requirements,
but
typically
you
have
to
have
maybe
two
public
hearings
and
you
have
maybe
a
time
gap
between
those
hearings
as
well
as
once
approval
is
done.
You
have
an
implementation
period
as
well,
so
you're
talking,
probably
minimum.
You
know
three
months
or
longer
to
try
to
do
that.
But
it's
it's
different.
You
know
by
jurisdiction
in
local.
O
And
I
would
imagine
if,
if
harvey
you're
a
maryland
resident,
you
said
that
your
your
assessments
on
your
tax
bill
there's
legislation
that
already
exists.
It
would
be
like,
I
guess,
baltimore
county
adopting
that
I
know
in
florida.
We
have
the
statute
that
basically
says
every
year.
We
have
to
advertise
the
assessment
to
the
public
and,
as
terry
mentioned
the
window
for
public
comment,
and
then
it
goes
before
the
council
for
approval
yeah,
yeah.
A
L
A
Has
a
few
questions,
I
think,
would
be
good
in
the
remaining
time
that
we
have
terry
excuse
me
in
the
chat.
Mr
adams
asked
a
few
questions
here.
Can
you
see.
O
So
the
population
I
was
looking
at
mike's
numbers
earlier,
mr
adams.
The
population
in
collier
county
here
is
about
400
000
and
we
have
about
135
000
units.
Our
main
method
of
disposal
is,
we
have
one
active
landfill
and
we
also
transfer
waste
about
two
and
a
half
hours.
One
way
to
a
regional
facility
landfill
the
individual
resident
here
or
unit
receives
for
221
dollars
a
year
twice
a
week.
Collection
of
garbage
toter.
O
All
of
our
waste
collection.
Trucks
are
side
loaders,
so
it's
automated.
They
also
receive
once
a
week
collection
of
single
stream
and
they
also
receive
once
a
week
collection
of
yard
materials
and
they
have
unlimited
bulk
set
out
on
recycled
day
the
lowest
price.
O
Mind
you
in
south
florida,
probably
in
florida
in
general
and
terry,
can
attest
to
that
because
he
studies
we
one
of
what
our
our
strategy
are,
that
we
set
our
tipping
rates
very
high
to
offset
a
low
assessment
cost
for
the
residents
and
I'm
not
sure
when
the
enterprise
fund
started
here.
But
I'm
going
to
say
from
what
I've
know
off
the
top
of
my
head.
It's
been
at
least
the
80s.
O
And
I
don't
know
if
there
it
was
a
change
southwest
florida
isn't
unique
in
that
it's
still
developing
its
history.
I
mean
there's
literally
acres
of
lands
for
sale
here,
so
I
believe
up
until
even
the
the
60s
and
70s
it
was
still
a
hairy
homeowner
operating
a
landfill,
somewhere
kind
of
new
government
structure.
Here.
L
You
know,
counties
to
do
enterprise
funds
for
solid
waste
services
and
they
made
a
big
push
on
full-cost,
accounting
and
kind
of
system.
Kerry
is
managing.
G
Yeah
and
I
think,
and
I
think
sort
of
the
history
behind
that
was
sort
of
influenced
in
a
lot
of
the
environmental
policies
at
the
national
level
in
the
70s
that
sort
of
was
a
precursor
for
that
and
then
into
the
80s.
You
saw
florida
react
and.
G
Did
some
work
together
in
the
county
sort
of
the
resource
for
protect
the
waste
streams
to
those
facilities
for
some
of
those
communities?.
M
O
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
we
do
not
have
a
murph
here
in
the
county,
we
have
a
transfer
station
and
we,
it
goes
to
the
east
coast,
to
amer.
D
A
I
have
one
if,
if
reptiles
knows
the
general
percentage
of
jurisdictions
nationwide
that
choose
to
do
this
through
fund,
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
get
like
a
broad
benchmark.
I'm
sure
that
nato
could
probably
tell
us
too,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
the
broad
use
of
enterprise
funds,
always.
G
By
local
governments
that
already
have
enterprise
funds
developed,
but
I
will
say
we
do
a
lot
of
rate
surveys
for
our
clientele
around
the
country,
ranging
from
florida
to
alaska,
and
you
know
normally,
when
we
do
these
surveys,
you
know
if
they
don't
have
a
we're.
G
Looking
at
looking
researching
their
financial
statements
and
things
like
that,
and
so
we
come
across
whether
or
not
they're
an
enterprise
fund
or
not,
and
I
can
just
say,
based
on
that
anecdotal
experience,
I
think
that
the
prevalence
is
more
enterprise
fund,
but
I
think
it's
also
regionally
dependent
as
harvey
or
someone
I
think
mentioned
earlier
on.
You
know
in
florida
you
have
a
lot
more
enterprise
funds
and
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
why
maybe
florida
does
have.
G
That
is
because
there
was
a
lot
of
growth
that
happened
later
on
and
because
of
some
of
the
legislation.
Obviously
that's
there
now.
So
I
think
that
you
know
when
you're
setting
up
for
how
you're
going
to
fund
government
and
how
you're
going
to
fund
these
services.
I
think
that,
for
the
benefits
we
sort
of
talked
about
before,
there's
a
lot
of
impetus
to
want
to
try
to
move
to
that,
and
I
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
comments
I
think
chas
may
have
mentioned.
You
know.
G
Well,
how
do
you
fund,
you
know
the
enterprise
fund?
How
do
you
fund
capital?
I
think
one
other
thing
that
you
know
just
sort
of
keep
in
mind
about
this
and
and
maybe
another
reason
why
you
have
a
lot
of
enterprise.
One
creation
is
because
I
think
when
you
charge
a
fee
and
you
have
a
user
fee
and
you're
trying
to
communicate
to
the
public
and
the
stakeholders
about
the
services
that
you're
providing
when
you
need
a
fund
capital,
I
think
it's
an
easier
sort
of
relationship
to
draw
that
rationalist.
G
You
know
why
we
necessarily
need
to
do
this
and,
more
importantly,
I
think
it
comes
back
to
the
community's
values.
You
know
what
do
we
value
as
a
community?
If
sustainability
is
what
we
value,
we
want
to
reduce
and
reuse
and
do
those
types
of
things.
How
can
we
develop
a
system
of
not
just
operations
but
also
on
cost
recovery,
to
sort
of
promote
that,
and
so
I
think
that
when
you
get
into
the
enterprise
fund
realm
and
you're
having
these
discussions
at
budget
times
about
how
you're
going
to
be
spending
your
money.
G
There's
that
question
about
okay?
Well,
how
am
I
going
to
fund
it
and
then
who's
going
to
pay
for
it
and
is
it
equitable?
And
I
think
that's
what
sort
of
carrie
was
talking
about
her
experiences
in
collier
county
that
you
know,
maybe
it's
not
always
perfect,
like
she
mentioned
where
we
might
have
some
subsidy
going
on,
but
maybe
that's
by
design
by
policy,
but
ultimately
it's
the
choice
of
the
you
know
governing
body
about
how
they
want
to
operate
their
system.
G
Yeah,
the
special
revenue
fund
is
a
fund
used
by
government
when
they
want
to
earmark,
because
they
oftentimes
may
have
a
fee
that
they
charge,
but
they
may
not
be
fully
independent
or
separate.
So
you
know
you
can
sometimes
have
a
a
special
revenue
fund.
That's
earmarked
for
a
specific
service
like
solid
waste,
but
it
could
be
for
something
that
isn't
an
enterprise
fund
type
activity
either.
G
So
it's
sort
of
an
intermediary.
But
the
main
purpose
of
the
special
revenue
fund
is
account
for
the
earmarked
funds
for
a
specific
service
or
element
that
the
government
is
providing
or
doing.
D
D
Hey
well,
thank
you
so
much
carrie
for
your
commitment
and
continuation
of
service
to
the
county
and.
D
Bye
bye
thumbs
up
okay,
so
we
come
here
to
open
discussion
which
we've
been
in
and
if,
unless
someone
wants
to
say
anything
else
before
we
get
into
next
steps,
anything
additional
and
open
discussion.
D
Okay,
I'm
not
seeing
anything
there,
so
our
you
know
steps
ahead
as
we
think
about
bringing
our
work
together
through
the
home
stretch.
As
I
mentioned,
we
are
closing
the
surveys
sunday.
I
won't
send
the
link
following
this
again
just
directly,
so
everyone
has
it
if
we
could
circle
back
to.
We
don't
have
much
time
steve
on
the
questions,
but
maybe
we
can
use
our
last
minutes
to
look
at
that.
D
Hang
on
a
second,
which
is
our
our
briefing
memo
questions
on
this,
and
let
me
just
go
here
to
the
the
sentiments
of
the
group
in
terms
of
priority
again
you're
going
to
see
this
can't
get
this
back
up,
you're
going
to
get
the
ability
to
prioritize
items
in
total,
but
we
had
the
questions
you
should
see
here
should:
should
baltimore
county
continue
with
its
present
general
fund
structure,
or
should
it
move
to
some
self-funding
structure
and
then
next,
would
you
recommend
a
high
low,
medium
or
high
priority
to
that
anybody?
D
A
Well
I'll
just
say
in
general,
given
the
discussion
today,
I
definitely
think
we
should
explore
it,
explore
it
further
because
from
a
a
long-term
sustainability
standpoint
and
knowing
that
we're
going
to
always
need,
revenues
would
have
to
would
have
to
at
least
initiate
and
could
be
a
recommendation
initiate
the
further
exploration
of
moving
to.
A
A
alternative
fund
from
the
general
fund,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
that
we
would
need
to
get
that
research
together
right.
You
know,
write
a
white
paper
and
within
the
government
how
we
do
make
decisions.
We
present
the
data
decision
memo
process,
but
how
these
are
implemented
is
is
definitely
of
interest.
A
D
D
A
Councilmember
patoka
had
to
leave,
but
it's
to
we'll
in
the
notes,
it'll
note
some
of
the
things
that
he
said
about
what
other
considerations
we'd
need
to
add
in
into
exploration
about
how
things
could
be
listed
on
if
we
move
in
this
direction,
or
even
just
looking
at
the
tax
bill
structure.
A
D
Them,
okay,
so
then,
to
the
next
steps,
the
survey
closing
briefing
memo.
Please
do
email
in
responses.
D
D
Both
of
the
upcoming
meetings
are
we're
moving
back
to
the
five
to
seven
time
frame
the
evening
as
we
started,
the
first
two
meetings
were
in
the
evening
based
on
scheduling,
so
these
next
two
will
also
be
evening
and
the
february
18th
meeting
we
covered
what
the
items
were
going
to
be
doing
on
that
meeting
and
then
march
4th,
as
was
also
noted,
we're
presenting
the
draft
tactical
plan
recommendations
and
that's
also
our
public
comment
meeting.
A
And
we
will
have
the
the
information
on
the
public
comment
process
to
sign
up
by
mid
by
mid-february.
So
members
of
the
community
have
the
opportunity
to
sign
up
and
understand
the
process.
A
Okay,
so
please
look
at
at
be
on
the
lookout
on
the
website
for
that
information.
D
Okay
and
then
our
last
slide
again
has
the
web
page
and
the
dedicated
email
for
the
project,
as
we've
shared
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing,
because
I
can't
see
there
you
all
are.
I
see
people
for
at
the
very
end
anything
else
pass
it
back
to
you.
Stacy.
D
Well,
thank
you
so
much
everybody
for
your
time
and
appreciate
getting
through
right
on
the
dot
here
at
noon.
Thank
you.
So
much
take
care,
bye,
bye,.