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Q&A and special guests on the Baseline Protocol and the use of the public blockchain Mainnet in enterprise IT.
A
Hey
everybody:
it's
the
baseline
protocol
office
hours
weekly
show,
we
call
the
baseline
baseline
and
I
still
love
that
music.
A
You
might
have
noticed
if
you
were,
if
you're
a
regular
listener
and
watcher
that
we
don't
have
any
mute.
We
didn't
have
any
music
in
the
live
stream
intro
and
there's
a
reason
for
that.
Last
week
we
got
a
little
trouble.
I
forgot
to
turn
off
the
stream
and
we
played
basically
a
four-hour
concert
of
a
particular
favorite
band
song
which
tripped
content
controls
as
it
should
and
sorry
about
that
youtube.
A
We
won't
do
it
again
so
by
the
way,
if
anybody
out
there
is
a
really
good
musician
and
wants
to
kind
of
create
a
new
sort
of
magic
bus
like
audio
experience
that
wouldn't
actually
put
us
at
risk
of
that,
that
would
be
a
fun
thing
to
make.
We
might
even
be
very
grateful
and
then
you
should
nft
it
and
then
make
millions
of
dollars.
A
A
A
That's
getting
a
refresh
soon,
as
I
as
I
understand,
but
the
content
is
as
good
as
ever
go
and
check
out
the
docs
go
and
check
out
the
code
on
our
github.
You
can
find
all
the
links
right
there
and,
most
importantly,
probably
get
onto
that
slack
channel.
A
If
you
click
on
the
slack
icon
in
the
upper
right
corner
of
that
webpage,
baseline
protocol.org,
you
will
be
added
to
the
thousands
of
people
that
are
in
that
channel,
and
so
that's
really
grown
a
couple
of
really
exciting
announcements,
and
I
probably
should
have
teed
these
up
with
links.
Nick.
I
don't
know
if
you've
got
these
handy,
but
on
the
general
channel,
in
slack,
we
we
were
featured
baseline
protocol
was
featured
as
one
of
the
rising
enterprise
blockchain
protocols
and
the
numbers
looked
pretty
impressive.
A
We
were
in
fact
out
ahead
of
bay,
su
and
right
neck
and
neck
with
with
quorum,
and
you
know,
and-
and
we
have
a
year
less
in
than
all
the
others
at
least
a
year
or
less
in
than
the
other
protocols.
A
So
they
called
us
out
quite
nicely,
and
I
see
that
the
the
link
has
been
posted.
A
A
We're
we're
here
really
weekly
to
answer
questions
and
that
might
come
up
about
confusion
about
how
how
to
get
involved,
how
to
implement
something
put
something
to
work.
I
usually
put
sam
stokes
on
the
spot
to
to
walk
us
through
a
bit
of
code,
just
because
I
know
it
drives
them
crazy
and
get
ready
sam
code.
Don't
lie
is
coming.
I
think
it's
something
to
show
people
to.
You
know
basically
just
to
make
sure
that
we,
you
know
you,
you
can
spot
entry
spots
and
free
places.
A
A
The
way
baseline
protocol
works
is
an
open
standard.
It's
not
a
protocol
or
it's
not
a
platform,
a
chain,
a
token,
a
coin,
a
scheme
or
a
product
standard
being
developed
in
the
oasis
standards
body.
We
intend
to
go
to
version
one
this
summer
on
the
standard
and
we
should
have
promulgated
a
testable
standard
by
the
new
year
as
well
as
a
v1
of
the
associated
code.
A
You
like
the
first
one,
was
written
by
a
set
of
companies,
including
provide
and
nethermind
and
nats
and
others
featuring
those
products,
and
now
we're
we're
building
a
bri
two
there's
also
a
bri
three
that
that
I
think
hedera
hashgraph
was
was
working
on.
I
haven't
seen
any
depu,
it
hasn't
been
published
yet
but
yeah,
so
you
can.
Even
you
can
even
propose
different
chains
to
to
deposit
your
baseline
proofs
on.
If
you
like,
as
long
as
again,
it's
compliant
with
the
standard.
A
C
A
plug
for
for
the
public
mainnet
for
enterprises,
eea
conference-
that
is
happening
tomorrow.
If
you
have
not
signed
up,
please
do
because
there
will
be
lots
of
talk
about
nfts
for
enterprises,
layer,
two
scaling
solutions
and
provide
and
servicenow
will
also
showcase
and
discuss
baseline,
the
baseline
protocol
and
their
implementation.
So
anyone
who's
interested
just
just
sign
up.
C
I
don't
have
the
the
the
link
handy,
but
just
a
google
enterprise
or
nick-
maybe
you
can
you
can
someone
can
find
it
really
really
really
quick.
That
is.
That
is
that
is
that,
and
I
just
wanted
to
share.
C
I
had
a
I
had
a
brief
or
had
a
discussion
yesterday
with
with
a
couple
of
people
who
wanted
to
were
trying
to
help
or
or
do
business
development
for
yet
another
supply,
dlt
based
supply
chain
solution,
and
they
were
wondering
why
it
is
so
hard
to
get
to
get
traction
in
the
enterprise
environment,
and
I
had
to
had
to
had
to
you
know,
disappoint
them
and
to
say,
unless
you're
you're
you're
doing
an
arbitrage
play
right
now,
it's
really
really
rough.
C
We're
not
gonna
get
anywhere.
So
it's
it's!
The
the
enterprise
side
is
still
very,
very
difficult
with
regard
to
with
regard
to
traction,
but
hopefully
baseline,
we'll
change
that.
A
I
saw
I
wonder
what
folks
think
about
this:
did
we
see
that
damil
daml,
which
is
mainly
supported
by
digital
asset,
which
was
life
masters
old
company,
was
part
of
the
originally
founding
crew
of
the
hyperledger
group?
They've
got
they
got
a
big
funding
round,
I
mean
lots
of
people
are
getting
funding
rounds.
I
mean
consensus.
Just
announced
a
pretty
huge
funding
round
as
well
and
the
story
that
they
told
in
the
in
the
press,
release
yuval
ruse.
A
You
know
it
sounded
pretty
interesting
and
it
looked
a
lot
like
you
know
the
the
the
motives
that
they
have
seem
fairly
consistent
with
the
baseline
protocol
community
motives
as
well,
which
is
a
verified,
multi-party
workflow.
Don't
you
know
it's
not
about
the
chains
and
the
input
and
data
on
chains
and
that
sort
of
thing?
What
is
what
do
we?
What
do
we
think
about
that?
And
should
we
invite
them
in
to
hang
out
with
the
baseline
team.
C
I
guess
you
need
to
ask
vmware
if
they're
cool
with
that
they
have
a
big,
they
have
a
big
big.
They
have
a
big
partnership
with
with
vmware.
In
fact,
we
underwear
blockchain
that
was
launched
like
last
year.
A
lot
late
last
year
is
is,
is
using
it's
using
damol,
but
also
the
evm.
So
this
is
that's.
That's!
That's!
That's
interesting!.
A
I
haven't
looked
at
digital
assets
in
a
long
time,
and
so
I
want
I'm
wondering
I
mean
it.
Is
it?
Does
this
sort
of
standard
quasi-standards
driven
approach?
Does
it
require
something
that
a
digital
asset
makes
or
or
is
it
independent
of
anything
that
they
would
be
offering
as
a
product.
B
So
a
couple
things
they
there
are
distribution
partners,
of
which
vmware
is
one,
as
is
chain
stack
by
the
way
they
have
technology,
partners
or
isv
partners,
of
which
unibrite
is
one,
so
maybe
stefan
or
martin,
our
friends
at
unibrite,
can
talk
about
that.
And
then,
of
course,
you
know
in
terms
of
service
partners
or
or
ecosystem
partners.
Consulting
partners,
accenture
is
one
so
in
cognizant
and
other
groups
that
are
actually
part
of
this
community.
A
I
tried
to
hire
a
couple
of
their
founders
once
so.
Maybe
I
can
give
them
a
call
so
yeah,
I
I
I
think
we're
all
we're
all
kind
of
closing
in
on
the
goal
right,
which
is
you
know
we
started
with
these
various
camps.
I
liked
what
one
of
the
things
that
the
announcement
said,
which
was
there's
a
this
false
dichotomy
between
private
and
public
blockchains
as
it
were.
I
certainly,
I
certainly
agree
with
that.
A
A
hundred
percent
yeah
so
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
if,
if,
if
now
I
mean
I'll
I'll
be
very
encouraged,
when
we
start
to
see
things
like
lots
of
developers
that
work
for
companies
like
you
know,
you
know
real
traditional
companies,
submitting
eips
to
things
like
ethereum,
right
and
yeah
and
and
and
carrying
the
water
on
that
side.
At
one
point
I
remember
when
I
was
on
the
java
team
in
the
90s
at
ibm
we
had
if
yeah
2500
developers
working
on
java,
they
weren't
volunteers,
we
were
paying
them
their
day.
A
Job
was
work
on
java
started
with
volunteers
like
people
just
volunteering,
their
time
they
were,
they
did
have
a
day
job,
but
it
was
clearly
relevant
to
their
day
job
and
then,
ultimately,
we
we
wound
up
funding
a
whole
division
called
the
java
division.
So
when
we
start
to
see
things
like
that,
not
just
on
you
know,
baseline
or
ethereum
or
or
dara
or
whatever
it
is,
but
really
on
the
mission
of
of
verified,
multi-party
workflows
using
these
new
tools
and
techniques,
I
think
then
we're
gonna
be
on
you.
B
A
On
onto
that
glide
path
towards
convergence
and
a
lot
of
activity,
you
don't
have
to
push
push
a
rock
up.
The
hill.
C
The
tooling
needs
to
get
better
for
that.
Remember,
like
java,
really
took
off
once
once
once
tooling,
got
got,
got
really
easy
to
use,
and-
and
it's
it's
it's
like
with
everything
you
know
it's
like
make
it
easy
for
people
to
use,
and
then
people
will
say:
oh
wow,
this
is
really
cool.
I
can
do
so
many
cool
things
much
much
faster
as
long
as
it's
like
really
cumbersome,
but
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
sloth,
so
tool.
A
Yeah
it
is,
but
the
tooling
has
to
follow
of
form
a
fit
for
purpose
right.
So
if
you
we
pushed
a
lot
of
design
patterns
on
the
industrial
industry
over
the
last
five
years.
I
was
part
of
some
of
that
where
it
turned
out.
That
was
just
not
a
good
design
pattern
right.
It
was
not
a
good
fit
for
purpose
right.
You
know
and
hey,
let's
put
data
on
a
blockchain
right
there.
A
We
were
going
to
go
we're
going
to
find
ourselves
in
the
weeds
in
the
end,
and
so
there's
no
point
in
building
great
tools
around
that,
because
it
was
not
a
great
idea
to
begin
with,
and
so
now
I
think
we
have
approaches
that
make
sense
that
csos
and
cios
and
others
security
officers
can
can
can
embrace
and
go
oh
yeah.
Okay,
we
can
do
that.
It
makes
sense,
it's
not
crazy
and
then
the
tools
start
to
come
from
there.
Wouldn't
you
agree.
C
Yes,
some
of
the
tech
still
needs
to
be
developed
further
and
and
get
the
kings
worked
out
because
the
you
know
to
build
the
tooling,
and
you
really
need
to
understand
the
underlying
tech
and
to
make
it
to
make
it
easier.
It's
it's
it's
non-trivial!
So
that's
why
work
that
you
know
starkware
is
doing
that
aztecs
doing
that
zk
singh's
doing
is
so
so
vital
for
for
the
industry.
C
You
know
dealing
with
with
zero
knowledge
proofs
I
mean
that's,
that's
that's
sort
of
like
the
the
the
key
to
to
to
to
more
to
broader
developer
of
adoption,
because
developers
don't
want
to
know
what
what
a
you
know,
what
what?
C
A
Shouldn't
care,
yeah,
speaking
of
which,
what
are
I
mean,
sam?
What
do
you
think
about
what
needs
to
be
in
brit
and
how
does
that
need
to
to
evolve?
I
mean
what
what
are
the
components
and
how?
What
is
our
approach
going
to
be
for
building
this
new
reference
implementation?
A
You
know
certainly
with
sort
of
the
principle
of
being
very
accessible,
very
easy
for
a
developer
to
get
their
hands
on
and
work
with
and
no
vendor
lock-in.
What
are
your
thoughts
there.
D
Yeah
so
working
on
some
better
documentation
right
now,
so
that's
that's
one
thing
I
know
andreas
has
mentioned
in
the
past
having
some
like
some
better
quick
start
instructions
so
working
towards
a
place
where
you
can
just
run
a
couple
commands
make
build,
make
start
spin
up
the
full
stack
that
way
and
then.
D
Need
to
add
a
kind
of
an
integration
test
suite
or
maybe
you
could
run
a
make
test
command
and
it'll
test
the
entire
stack
but
yeah.
The
the
approach
we've
taken
so
far
is
everything
within
bri.
2
is
open
sourced
and
hopefully.
D
It
easy
for
people
to
to
dive
into
the
details
and
and
contribute
if
they
want
to
trying
to
make
it
a
modular
design.
So
it's
it's
all
micro
service
based,
as
is
bri
one,
but
I
I
think
you
know
it
would
still
take
some
effort,
but
hopefully
you
could
swap
in
some
components
for
other
ones.
If
you
had
a
personal
preference
or
like
some
technology,
you
know
it'll
still
have
to
adhere
to
some
common
interfaces,
but
trying
to
build
it
such
that
you
could
kind
of
tailor
bri
to
to
your
specific.
E
John
on
our
on
diy
too,
it's
myself
and
a
few
colleagues.
We
we
submitted
the
mr
video,
the
grant
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
outputs.
What
I
hope
since
we
have
I
kind
of
think
of
us
of
two
and
a
half
developers.
I
mean
two.
E
We
have
a
college
graduate
and
we
have
a.
We
have
a
experienced
solidity
developer
that
that
did
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
the
past
and
and
I
do
some
development,
but
not
a
whole
lot,
but
the
output,
one
of
them,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
as
far
as
the
challenges
that
we
will
experience
using
br2
and
potentially
some,
I
hope,
some
and
we
we
had
a
few
discussions
with
sam.
E
He
was
very
helpful,
better
understanding
of
like
what
do
we,
what
what
could
be
done
as
far
as
like
as
far
as
the
tooling
or
like
or
the
execution,
what
could
be
what
how
it
could
be
improved?
So
I
think
that's
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
outputs
so
that
I
hope
we'll
put
together.
A
So,
for
for
folks
that
are
tuning
in
what
what
boris
is
referring
to
in
the
grant
proposal
is
right.
Here
I
put
the
link
in
the
in
chat
and
you
can
go
to
github.com
ethereum,
dash,
oasis,
slash
baseline
grants
and
baseline
dash
grants
and
you'll
see
that
we
not
only
have
we
got,
we've
been
getting
real
uptick
in
these
grants,
grant
proposals
and
bounty
proposals,
so
you
can
propose
about
you
can
say
this
is
something
that
needs
to
get
done
and
we
can
make
it
a
competition.
A
A
challenge
like
like,
like
a
hackathon,
or
you
can
say
I'd
like
to
do
this
work
and
the
technical
steering
committee
of
the
baseline
protocol
can
vote
on
it.
We've
got
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
spend
before
the
end
of
the
summer
on
on
these
sorts
of
things,
and
I
I
so
boris
you,
you
you've
just
entered
a
new
proposal
that
we'll
be.
A
And
there's
one
called
no
code:
hello,
world
they're,
not
no
code,
hello,
world,
there's
one
called
yeah
hello,
world
baseline
installable
demo,
which
is
a
bounty
proposal,
and
I
just
heard
from
one
of
my
favorite
professors,
one
of
the
the
professor
that
ran
if
you've,
if
you've
done
the
baseline
coursework
out
there,
you've
probably
done
the
coursera
work
or
coursera
course,
as
I
think,
300
000
people
or
more
have
attended
this
class
and
this
being
a
random
murthy.
A
So
I've
just
heard
from
bina
that
they
have
a
proposal
coming
in
for
a
piece
of
r
d
on
baselining,
so
things
are
really
cooking
up
there
and
that's
really
exciting,
which
one
of
these
was
yours
again.
Boris.
E
The
the
zero
knowledge
right
there
right.
A
E
E
Talking
about
enterprise,
I
mean
it's,
I
hope,
we'll
tackle
a
very
small
piece
of
of
trading
or
basically
confirmation.
I
mean
it's
it's.
It's
definitely
going
to
be
very
small
piece,
but
I
hope
we'll
learn
enough
for
me
to
to
kind
of
expand
it
in
the
future.
A
A
So
if
you're
a
developer
out
there-
and
you
want
to
do
this
sort
of
thing-
then
you
can-
you
can
do
that
just
go
to
again
baseline
protocol
baseline
protocol.org.
A
I
think
the
first
article
on
the
on
the
home
page
there
is
is
how
to
get
into
proposing
a
project,
and
I
really
love
the
fact
that
we
have
this,
because
you
know
in
a
lot
of
these
kinds
of
standards,
projects
and
and
open
source
projects,
there's
a
kind
of
a
pay-to-play
that
happens
right.
There's
some
company
has
the
money
to
do
a
lot
of
work.
I
mean
you
know
hyperledger.
A
We
had
a
whole
bunch
of
people
doing
work
on
on
hyperledger
fabric,
and
so
you
know
they
they
who
put
the
work
in
are
the
yeah
will
will
will
win
the
day,
and
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
good
volunteers,
but
there's
also
people
that
you
know
just
simply
can't
volunteer
their
time
need
to
get
some
kind
of
compensation.
And
now
we
have
this
fund
that
is
controlled
not
by
any
particular
company
but
by
the
community,
and-
and
you
know,
companies
can
contribute
to
the
fund.
A
But
the
decision
about
what
gets
funded
is
indirect
from
them.
They
don't
get
to
decide.
It's
decided
by
the
technical
steering
committee,
which
is
a
voted
in
body.
So
boris,
it's
really
exciting.
To
see
that
proposal
we
will
be,
we
will
be
voting
on
it
shortly.
We
we
we
meet
regularly
on
that.
C
So
someone
who's
out,
there
really
wants
to
to
to
do
the
community,
a
big
service
and-
and
no
solidity
well
put
in
a
proposal
to
make
your
smart
contract
system
upgradable,
at
least
following
the
open
zeppelin
pattern.
C
It
would
be
really
really
helpful,
I'm
happy
to
to
to
to
shop
around
if
someone
wants
to
do
that,
I'm
willing
to
like
donate
a
little
bit
of
time,
but
if
someone
wants
to
do
that,
that
would
be
really
really
really
good,
even
though
it
increases
the
attack
surface,
but
I
think
it
it
for
the
for
the
rig
for
the
require
enterprise
requirements
that
are
coming
down
the
pipe.
This
is
absolutely
necessary.
Yes,.
D
A
Yeah,
if
you
want
to
you,
know
if
you're,
if
you're
a
competent
developer
or
a
content,
developer
or
content
writer,
and
you
want
to
get
a
successful
grant,
call
get
on
get
our
slack
baseline,
dash
protocol,
dot,
org
and
click
the
slack
button
and
get
in
there
grab
and
go
after
go
go
ping,
andreas
friend,
sam
stokes
or
any
of
us
can
shepherd
you
right
into.
If
you
don't
know
exactly
where
you
want
to
what
you
might
want
to
do.
A
Andreas
will
give
you
like
10
ideas
and
sam
will
tell
you
where,
to
put
it
and
yeah,
we
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
you
and
it's
a
friendly
group.
So
you
can
say
I
don't
know
what
I
want
to
do
yet.
But
I'd
really
like
to
help
and
I'd
really
like
to
get
one
of
those
bounties.
C
Well,
I
mean
you,
you
have
you
have
different
type
of
type
of
you
know.
Shield
contracts
right,
shield
contracts
will
change.
You
find
a
bug,
you
know
there
there
is
there.
Is
you
know
you
and
you
don't
want
to
proliferate
code
more
than
you
more
than
you
more
more
than
you
have
to
right.
It's
like
yeah,
you
can
say
monolithic
stack,
is
more
secure
right,
it's
a
it's!
A
it's!
A
it's!
A
trade-off
right
in
the
end.
You'll
have
to
manage
hundreds
of
thousands
of
of
instances
over
time.
C
So
the
question
is
you
know
what
what
are
your
trade-offs
in
in
terms
of
security
versus
manageability
versus
flexibility,
right
and,
and
you
know
what
I
see
from
enterprises
coming?
Oh,
I
want
to
be
able
to
upgrade
and
migrate
and
blah
blah.
What
happens
then?
Right,
because
that's
what
they're
used
to
right
so
they're
they
will.
They
will
ask
that
and
if
you
say
well,
we
can't
really
do
that.
Then
that's
a
that's!
That's
a
insufficient
answer.
Let's,
to
put
it
put,
it
mildly.
C
Yeah
see
see,
see,
that's
exactly
that.
That's
exactly
the
point!
It's
like
it's
like
you,
you
you,
you
have
there's
an
there's,
an
opera
there's
an
operator
and
there's
permissioning.
So
certain
certain
you
know,
groups
can
update
their
own
contracts
and
there's
a
that's
exactly
where
worthy,
where
the,
where
upgradability
needs
permissioning
right,
and
that
needs
to
be
done
very
very
carefully,
because
what
you
don't
want
to
do.
C
Is
you
don't
want
to
throw
all
organizations
in
one
contract
right
because
because,
if
you're,
if
you're,
if
you're
kind
of
like
telling
telling
coca-cola
oh
by
the
way,
your
stuff
is
also
in
the
stuff
with
like
pepsi
they're
gonna
go
like
wtf
right.
So
it's
like
it's
like
it's
just,
even
though
you
know
it's
like
technically
speaking
it
it.
It
doesn't
really
matter,
but
just
from
a
from
a
from
a
from
a
psychological
point
of
view,
it's
just.
A
Let's,
let's
talk
about
that
andreas
I
mean
one
of
the
things
I
like
about.
This
approach
is
how
compartmentalized
it
is
and
that
there
may
be
a
reason
for
the
some
workflow
involving
coca-cola
and
some
work
and
pepsi
together
might
be
in
that
same
workflow.
A
But
you
know,
except
for
the
records
that
they
particularly
need
to
share
or
the
you
know
the
workflow
steps
that
they
particularly
involved
are
involved
in
being
part
of
that,
workflow
isn't
going
to
really
tell
you
anything
that
you're
not
supposed
to
know,
unlike
say,
if
you
were
all
in,
say,
hyperledger
fabric
channel
or
in
some
you
know
private
blockchain
together
that
you
know
like
a
quorum.
A
Blockchain,
you're
gonna,
see
activity
that
is
gonna,
give
away
some
secrets
if
you're
in
that
group,
if
you
have
access
to
those
nodes,
but
in
this
case
there's
not
much
you're
going
to
see
you're
just
going
to
know
yeah.
I've
got
a
record
in
my
database
that
I
can
be
confident
is
the
same
record
as
this
guys
right.
C
A
A
Product,
but
presumably
that
sas
product
is
is
is
a
I
might
be
a
a
customer
of
a
sas
product.
Sas
product
is
baselined.
It
has
a
stack
enabling
itself
to
be
baseline,
but
for
everybody
to
use
you
know
you
say:
oh
well,
you
know
if
you
want
a
baseline,
you
have
to
be
on
this
sass.
You
know
this
universal
sas
thing.
I
I
think
that
would
be
not
a
good.
I
mean
you
could
do
it,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
no.
C
You
have
multi-tenancy
no
yeah,
you
have
multi,
you
have
multi,
you
have
multi-tenancy
from
an
architecture
point
of
view,
but
on
on
chain
right.
It's
like
it's
like
how
much
complexity
do
you
want
to
manage
as
an
as
an
as
an
operator?
That's
a
that's!
The
that's!
The.
C
A
A
arap
system,
a
sas
arap
system,
I'm
not
managing
any
complexity
at
all,
but
but
now
I've
got
features
in
that
experience
that
I
wouldn't
have
gotten.
If
that,
if
that
platform
was
not
baseline,
enabled.
C
Right
but
the
the
point
is
enterprises,
you
know,
prefer
third
parties
so
that
they
they
they
have
a
throat
to
choke
that
they
can
they
can
they
can
they
can
they
can
sue
and
they
don't
they
can
throw
someone
else
under
the
bus
if,
if
things
go,
go
sideways
right
unless
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
significant
regulatory
considerations,
you
you
want
to
you
want
to
to
because
it's
because
it's
not
core
right,
it's
not
part
of
their
core,
it's
not
part
of
their
core,
their
core
competency
right.
C
So
so
why
should
they?
Why
should
they
run?
Why
should
they
operate?
Why
should
they
have
to
worry
about
in
instantiation
for
every
single
of
their
trade
partners
if
they
have
10
000,
then
they're
like
oh,
I
need
to
manage
10,
000,
smart
contract
systems
and
stuff,
like
that,
so
the
the
people
who
then
have
to
to
to
to
manage
that
are
going
to
go
to
their
to
their
cio
and
says
dude.
This
is
going
to
get
like
slightly
out
of
hand
right
because,
because
it's
it's,
it's
not
as
easy
as
as
like
as
like.
A
C
C
You
need
to
manage
the
keys,
you
need
to
manage
the
the
transactions
and
they
need
to
all
the
transactions
that
are
coming
coming
down.
The
chute
right
need
to
go
to
the
right
to
the
right
to
the
right
to
the
right
place.
That
means
I
need
to
manage
and
maintain
those
those
those
those
instances
make
sure
that
this
is
properly
properly
so.
A
C
A
Think
those
are
clues
to
some
really
a
whole
bunch
of
products
that
somebody
could
be
building
for
people,
hey
lucas
rodriguez
and
jack
lee.
He
just
joined
it's
good
to
see
you
guys
chris
carson
and
tim
coleman
just
joined
as
well.
So
that's
nice
to
see
you
all
sam
did
you
want
to
do
a
dive
into
bri
to
show
people
around
where
it
is?
What's
in
it.
A
Yes,
it's
code.
Don't
lie
time
again:
sam
stokes,
you
wanna
you.
I
think
you
have
control
over
the
the
the
screen.
D
Okay,
can
you
see
the
the
web
browser
on
my
screen,
yep?
Okay,
so
yeah
still,
you
know
these
are
the
the
baseline
examples.
I've
been
doing
most
of
my
work
within
bri
2.,
so
in
the
past
week
or
so
since
we
were
last
on
this,
show
I've
been
working
on
the
zkp
manager
service.
A
So
if
you
think
about
a
particular
deployment,
what
would
if
I
was
building
an
applicator
building,
an
application
or
a
solution?
Where
am
I
going
to
employ
that.
A
E
A
D
Where
would
I
employ
it?
I'm
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
it's
one
component
that
you
would
kind
of
deploy
with
the
entire
bri-2
stack.
C
Sam,
maybe
it
would
be
helpful
to
to
show
what
are
the
cert?
What
are
the
workflow
manager,
services
that
are
that
are
being
called
and
and
and
and
what
they
do
right,
because
I'm
I'm
sure
you
have
abstracted
that
out,
as
as
as
as
services
that
can
be
managed
by
controllers
right
from
other
modules.
C
Well,
you
know
it's
like
you,
have
reality
of
controllers
your
services
right,
so
there's
there's
in
a
and
your
services
in
a
module
and
they're
exposed
right
either
they're
they're
exposed
throughout
right
or
internally
or
they're,
they're,
they're,
directly
mad
or
they're
their
direct
service.
You
can
you
can
you
can
you
can
call,
because
it's
a
module
that
you
have
exported,
that
is,
that
is,
is
now
as
part
of
an
sdk
right,
so
so
so
to
speak.
C
So
I
presume
I
have
looked
at
it,
but
that
the
ckp
manager
also
has
has
a
has,
has
either
routes
or
or
or
an
sdk
that
exports
the
the
modules
that
are
that
that
you
can
call
that
you
can
call
by
the
workflow
manager.
For
example,
right
looks
like
from
from
here.
The
workflow
manager
is
is
connected.
C
Yeah
is,
is,
is,
is
the
guy
who
or
the
gal
who's
who's
who's
doing
the
zkp
calling
the
ckp
so
that
it
might
be
helpful
for
people
to
see
how
that
how
that
actually
works
and
what
the
integration
is.
Just
as
an
as
an
example,
how
the,
how
the
modularization
works
and,
and
and
and
how
things
are
set
up.
D
Yeah
yeah,
so
you're
right,
the
the
zkp
manager
has
some
restful
endpoints.
Where
you
can
request
certain
actions.
I
can.
I
can
show
you
the
different
routes
it
supports
in
a
minute,
so
it
has
that
method
of
communication
and
then
also
there's
some
internal
messaging,
so
kind
of
our
two
options
that
we're
looking
at
for
the
internal
kind
of
job
queuing
services,
either
nets
or
codify
orchestrate
is,
is
a
consensus
product
that
uses
kafka
internally
so
and.
A
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
should
probably
point
out
there
is
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
bri
2
is
going
to
be
constructed
around.
Is
the
notion
of
no
no
vendor
lock-in
right
so
be
really
easy
to
show
in
the
cookbook
to
say
oh
yeah,
I
can.
I
can
snip
off
this
and
put
something
else
in
and
it'll
be
fairly
easy
to
do
and-
and
you
know,
you're
not
going
to
be
bound
into
any
particular
stack
right.
D
Yeah
yeah,
that's
the
goal
make
it
I
mean.
You
know
we
have
to
define
the
interfaces
and
then
kind
of
the
the
micro
service
behind
that
can
yeah
it
could
be
substituted
and
maybe
process
those
requests
differently,
but
it's
got
to
still
speak
the
same
language
that
we're
trying
to
define
through
the
interfaces
right
now,
but
yeah
for
for
the
zkp
manager,
in
particular,.
D
I
can
show
you
the
routes.
These
are
all
the
routes
that
it
supports,
so
those
are
just
traditional
http
requests
and
for
this
service
I
do
have
a
a
postman
collection.
So
if
you
wanted
to
you
can
import
this
json
file
into
your
postman
application
and
it'll
kind
of
pre-populate
all
those
requests,
so
you
don't
have
to
build
them
from
scratch.
A
What
you
just
said
about
automated
test
suite
that
sounds
like
a
task
that
ought
to
be
in
the
issues
list
is
that
is
that
in
there
should
we
take
a
note
to
to
create
that
that
issue
in
the
in
the
repo.
D
I
think
it's
it's
mentioned
here
in
kind
of
a
high
level,
epic,
but
there's
no,
no,
there's
not
a
detailed
issue
kind
of
explaining
the
the
step-by-step
process
there.
So.
A
Well,
hey
developers
out
there
there
you
go,
there's
your
opportunity
to
to
make
a
contribution.
There's
a
nice
discreet
piece
of
work
to
to
help
out
with
and
distinguish
yourself
on
and
heck.
Maybe
you
can
even
write
a
a
a
a
bounty
or
a
grant
on
it
and-
and
you
know
we'll
pay
us
money
for
it.
D
Yep
yeah,
so
that
that
issue
is
kind
of
the
anybody
who's
interested
in
contributing
to
bri
too.
This
is
these
are
all
the
the
tasks
I'm
trying
to.
A
D
A
There's
a
raft
of
people
entering
on
this,
and
I
know
the
jack
and
team
you
guys
are
getting
geared
up
on
this.
I
think
parth
and
dhruv
and
others
have
been
poking
around
on
this
and
and
I
know
we're
hiring
a
ton
of
people
right
now
who
will
focus
on
bri
too.
So
that's
all
good.
C
Sam
quick
question
for
the
for
the
for
the
proof:
verification.
Can
you
remind
me
because
my
my
brain's
not
working
properly
you're
doing
the
verification
on
chain
right?
You
can
you
can
you
can
call
the
you
can
call
a
direct
endpoint.
D
Yeah
yeah,
so
that
zkp
manager
service
is
a
wrapper
around
narc,
which
is
a
zero
knowledge
library
written
in
golang.
But
yeah.
This
service
would
support
verification
off
chain,
but
it
also
has
a
feature
where
you
can
export
a
solidity
contract
that
can
act
as
the
verifier
on
chain
as
well.
D
So
I
think,
I
think,
we're
we're
kind
of
moving
towards
a
design
where
we
would
probably
leverage
both
off
chain
and
on
chain
verification.
A
A
A
A
I
think
it's
important
that
newcomers
get
to
hear
the
story
every
week
and
you
know
what
they
you
know
what
they
need
to
know,
but
you
know
it's
most
satisfying
when
we
get
down
into
the
code,
but
so
we'll
just
keep
doing
that
sam,
and
I
think
I
appreciate
that
a
lot
from
you,
michael
forrest,
out
there
on
the
on
the
the
chat
says
yeah
was:
is
there
a
chain
link,
sort
of
that's
a
secret
network,
enigma
npc
value,
add
and
it
happens
to
roof?
A
Entering
some
real
productive
work
right
now
on
the
on
the
baseline
protocol,
because
we've
matured
to
the
point
where
we
really
need
an
oracle
service
in
to
go
to
the
next
level.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
that
at
all,
or
we
can
punt
to
another
week.
B
Yeah,
so
just
a
quick
point
for
changing,
I
think
they
have
released
their
new
version,
which
is
kind
of
more
decentralized.
B
So
I
think-
and
also
the
fact
like
currently
this
week,
I'm
participating
in
a
hackathon
organized
by
ethereum
foundation,
which
is
only
on
implementing
solutions
on
layer,
2
and
chain
link,
is
also
the
participant
so
yeah,
I
will
be
happy
to
you-
know:
try
to
implement
baseline,
like
some
another
stack
or
discuss
more
about
this.
A
Yeah
and
the
so
the
there'll
be
documentation
and
yeah.
There's
there's
going
to
be
a
a
component
entering
in
that
that,
in
the
standard
that
will
define
how
the
rules
by
which
we
allow
for
exogenous
data,
especially
you
know,
dynamic
data
to
be
inserted
into
a
business
process
right.
So
if,
if
you
and
I
both,
if
you
know,
if
we're
baselining
a
record
and
the
logic
says
we
both
have
to
look
up
a
time-
let's
just
you
know
make
it
simple.
A
A
Almost
certainly
they're
going
to
be
different
times
and
that
could
break
you
know
now
you
don't
you
have
a
non-determinism
problem,
so
you
know
chain
link,
obviously
has
a
real
strong
dog
in
the
hunt
about
being
the
marketplace
for,
and
you
know,
allowing
making
sure
you
have
determinism
in
in
your
parameters
right,
so
you
can
say
well,
I've
got
a
zero
knowledge
circuit.
It's
got
to
take
these
parameters.
Some
of
these
parameters
need
to
be
the
same
value,
even
though,
if
you
don't
do
it
right,
you
could
get
different
values.
A
Stock
prices
are
obvious
examples.
Anything
that
moves
around
and
and
different
machines
can
read
differently
within
the
same
function.
That
has
to
agree
with
itself
that
that's
not
only
a
generalized
problem
for
blockchains,
it's
a
specific
problem
for
any
workflow
that
involves
that
kind
of
data
in
a
baseline
process
right.
So
that's
a
really
good
clean
opportunity
for
chain
link
to
make
a
difference
in
the
community
and
we're
really
glad
that
they've
that
they've
assigned
engineering
and
documentation
resources
to
to
building
that
now.
A
Thanks
dhruv
anything
else,
anything
else
where
anybody's
like
burning
to
talk
about
today,
I'm
back
to
back
all
the
way
to
like
night
time
today.
So
I'm
happy
to
end
early.