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A
B
Thanks
john,
for
making
it
even
while
you're,
while
you're
on
your
way
to
a
vacation
so
and
thank
you
so
much
nick
for
joining
us,
it's
always
a
pleasure
to
speak
to
you
about
baseline.
So
I
welcome
all
of
you.
People
who
are
on
the
zoom
call
as
well
as
watching
this
video
on
youtube
live
as
well
as
in
future
whenever
you
are
watching
it.
Thank
you
so
much
for
watching
the
video.
B
It's
the
maiden
show
that
we're
doing
in
india
for
the
community
of
india
baseline
protocol
is
now
in
a
position
that
we
can
have
a
strong
community
of
developers
creating
products
out
of
it.
We
recently
launched.
We
recently
announced,
announced
a
launch
in
india
and
that
received
a
fantastic
response,
so
I'll
go
around
the
zoom
call
and
I
will
introduce
each
of
our
guests.
That's
that
you
know!
Thank
you
so
much
for
making
it
so
john
I'll
start
with
you.
B
You
know,
john,
is
the
the
founder
he's
the
brain
behind
baseline
coming
to
life,
and
he
joins
us
from,
of
course,
consensus.
The
mecca
of
of
baseline
so
to
say,
I'm
I'm
more
of
a
fan
of
ethereum
world,
so
I
can
say
that
that's
just
my
personal
opinion
and
then
there
is
nick
nick
hi.
Welcome.
Welcome
to
the
baseline
show
in
india
and-
and
you
know,
nick
and
john
they've
been
running.
B
The
baseline
show
the
international
version
since
more
than
a
year
there
have
been
143
live
videos
on
the
channel,
so
I
can
safely
say
that
yeah,
we
are
in
safe
hands
when
you
guys
come
here
and
talk
to
the
indian
community
about
baseline.
B
B
We
have
deepak
deepak,
who
is
the
who's
one
of
the
founders
of
d
centrum
community?
It's
a
very
strong,
passionate
community
of
developers
of
on
blockchain
in
india
and
they've
been
running
some
very
successful
programs
in
the
past.
So
I
really
appreciate
deepak
for
associating
with
us
and
taking
us
to
the
people
where
we
want
to
be.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
you
know,
last
but
not
least,
we
also
have
navdeep
he's
from
reverend
fotek
he's
the
ceo
of
raven
for
tech
dave.
B
I
think
he
was
the
first
one
who
reached
out
to
me
and
said
you
know
what
we
want
to
jump
on
board.
This
is
really
exciting.
He's
been
following
baseline
protocol
since
the
past
year,
but
very
passively.
Now
he
wants
to
actively
engage.
Of
course
you
know
navdeep
and
I
go
back
about
couple
of
years
when
we
met
through
a
nascom,
blockchain
sig.
So
so
yeah
he's
been
doing
some
fantastic
work
through
his
14
year
old
tech
company
in
india
and
and
now
they
are
they're
all
over
blockchain.
B
So
they've
got
a
you
know.
This
was
a
joke
which
navdeep
cried
few
days
back.
When
we
met
that
that
yeah
we
are
thinking
of
establishing
a
dedicated
division.
Just
for
blockchain.
It's
it's.
You
know
they're
so
established
in
in
that
space
we
are.
We
are
also
joined
with
the
parvath.
C
B
C
With
evil
and
I've
been
also
part,
I
mean
following
baseline
protocol
passively.
I
mean
I've
been
part
of
earlier
weekly
sessions
on
wednesdays.
Actually
that
john
conducts
right,
yeah.
B
B
Now
we
have
our
own
show
yay,
absolutely
yeah
good
to
be
part
of
this.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
and-
and
you
know,
I
do
feel
that
we
we
can
now
go
ahead
in
a
very
strong
way
and
create
we're
getting
a
lot
of
interest
from
corporates
as
well
as
individuals.
B
So
I'm
sure
together
we
will
make
an
impact
and
and
take
baseline
to
production
with
well
without
further
ado
I'd
hand
over
to
john
john.
What
would
be
the
first
words
to
the
indian
community
about
baseline?
Why
would
somebody
care
about
baseline.
A
Hi
everybody,
it's
it's
really
good
to
be
here.
I
I
I
don't
know
that
I
get
to
claim
being
the
mastermind
of
baseline.
There
were
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
paul
brody
would
be
the
first
to
say
that
there
were
there's
a
lot
of
folks,
including
the
team.
Young
and
microsoft,
has
started
things
off,
and
so
many
companies
since
then
it.
So
it's
it's
a
pleasure
that
nick
nick
criticos
and
I
have
been
colleagues
working
on
this.
A
For
you
know
a
couple
years
nick
was
right
there
in
the
coffee
or
the
restaurant,
where
we
first
cooked
it
up.
D
May
11th
three
years
ago
may
11th
wow.
That
was,
that
was
the
date
of
ethereal.
That
was
the
date
that
john
and
paul
and
york
had
a
panel,
and
we
got
together
in
red
hook.
Brooklyn
had
lunch
to
prepare
for
the
panel
and
we
were
all
sitting
around
the
table
and
looked
at
each
other
like
why
don't
enterprises
use
mainnet,
more
and
and
out
of
that
came
a
medium
piece
that
john
wrote
that
were
what
10
12
different
reasons:
why
cia
cisos
csos
chief
information
security
officers?
Don't
like
blockchain
right?
D
It's.
You
know
the
the
threat
surface
and
the
data,
and
you
know
all
the
different
reasons:
the
scalability
and
the
transparency
and
blah
blah
blah
and
they're
like
okay.
Given
all
of
these
things,
what
if
we
found
a
way
that
that
address
those
yeah,
you
know
production,
ready,
enterprise,
ready
kind
of
way
and
and
still
added
value
and
out
of
that
came.
D
The
baseline
protocol
first
is
radish
34,
which
is
the
proof
of
concept
and
then,
ultimately,
as
the
the
open
standard
open
source
technique
that
we
talked
about
as
baseline
protocol
today,
allowing
companies
to
synchronize
systems
of
record
using
public
infrastructure
without
exposing
any
of
their
data
on
the
blockchain.
Because
what's
one
thing,
you
should
never
do.
John.
A
You
know
the
the
basic
pattern
for
the
baseline
protocol
is
just
a
loose
completely
distributed
systems
pattern
which,
if
you
go
and
look
up
on
youtube,
distributed
systems
loose
coupling
you
will
and
then
throw
in
things
like
sap
or
dynamics.
You
will
probably
find
lots
of
indian
produced
videos
because.
D
E
A
An
india
time
zone
centric
community,
so
I'm
really
very
excited
about
about
this
development
sunrise
and
I'm
really
glad
that
both
of
you
and
bishwashree
and
so
many
other
people
are
getting
involved
in
doing
that.
B
A
Tell
you
I'm
calling
it
I
don't,
usually
I'm
usually
in
my
studio
office,
but
today
I
am,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
out
there
or
d
fans,
but
I
I'll
just
digress
and
say
I'm
going
over
there
into
that
house
and
play
my
friend
who
is
one
of
the
founders
of
fortnite.
If
you've
ever
played,
fortnite
he's
got
a
dungeons
and
dragons
weekend
that
he
runs
every
year
for
30
or
40
people
and
he
pretty
much
built
this
house.
A
So
they
could
run
this
and
everybody
could
stay
over
the
house.
So
I
just
ran
out
to
get
krispy
kremes
for
everybody
and
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
play
dungeons
and
dragons.
B
So
that's
very,
very
impressive,
john,
and
you
know
thanks
so
much.
I
think
what
I
really
like
is
that
baseline
is
not
causing
any
disruption
in
the
existing
systems.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
pertinent
things
which
I
wanted
to
highlight.
I've
been
talking
to
a
lot
of
people
here
as
well.
In
fact,
I
got
calls
from
two
of
very
large
banks
in
india.
B
You
know
people
involved
with
blockchain
teams
in
those
banks
and
talking
about
you
know,
how
can
we
get
involved
and
and
what
is
it
really
bringing
on
board
nick?
What
do
you?
What
do
you
say
about
baseline
and
what
are
your
first
words
with
the
indian
community.
D
Well,
you
know,
that's
that's
a
great
point.
Samurai
is
that
you
know
oftentimes
when
new
technologies
come
along
a
lot
of
times
in
order
to
implement
them,
you
need
to
rip
and
replace
something
that
was
already
there,
something
that
was
already
working
right
and
with
the
baseline
protocol.
You
don't
do
that.
It's
really
an
extension
of
existing
systems,
most
of
the
times
your
existing
erp
systems
or
your
hcm
or
supply
chain
systems.
D
Or
what
have
you
you
know,
they're
already
working
many
of
them
work
very
well
internally
and
the
baseline
protocol
allows
you
to
integrate
those
systems
again
with
any
other
system,
whether
it's
it's
you
know,
sap,
to
dynamics
or
or
dynamics
to
oracle,
or
you
know
bespoke
system
to
bespoke
system
or
even
just
an
oracle
database
to
you
know
an
excel
spreadsheet
and
do
it
in
a
way
that
allows
companies
to
coordinate
their
systems
of
record
in
an
auditable,
transparent,
yet
still
private
fashion
right.
D
So
you
know
you
don't
put
any
data
on
the
blockchain,
it's
completely
secure,
it's
completely
private.
Yet
you
can
tell
that
that
your
purchase
order
is
the
same
as
my
purchase
order.
Your
customer
record
is
the
same
as
my
customer
record,
so
it
brings
a
whole
new
level
to
you
know:
business
process,
management,
business
process,
coordination
and
it
does
it
in
a
non-invasive
way,
and
you
know
you
don't
need
to
rip
and
replace
oracle
or
rip
and
replace
sap.
No,
no.
A
Yeah
it's
it's
really
about.
I
mean
you
could
do
the
same
thing
if
we've
been
doing
the
same
thing
for
decades
right,
but
instead
of
pointing
and
subscribing
to
a
bulletin
board
that
you
manually,
you
know
that
you
had
to
set
up
and
pay
somebody
every
year
to
run.
A
Really
the
simplest
notion
is
hey.
There's
this
thing:
that's
always
running
it's
public.
It's
way
more
tamper,
resistant
than
anything
else
that
we
could
put
up.
It's
not
very
good
surveillance
resistance,
but
that's
why
we
do
the
baseline
protocol
this
way
so
that
it
doesn't
matter
what
you're
putting
on
there
in
terms
of
proofs
and
hashes.
You
know
there's
nothing
to
see.
There's
no
data
going
there.
You
can't
derive
any
real
insight.
Even
from
the
metadata
looks
like
noise
sounds,
like
mathematics
looks
like.
A
It
sounds
like
a
net
metronome,
yeah
and,
and
so
there's
really
no
real
risk
security
wise
for
using
this
thing
and
it's
much
more
tamper
resistant.
A
So
you
put
your
data
on
your
database
where
hopefully
you're
doing
a
good
job
of
keeping
that
surveillance
resistance
and
your
counterparties
are
doing
the
same,
but
if
they
get
hacked,
then
they're
one
or
two
records,
or
you
know,
whatever
the
number
of
records
that
you
guys
share,
may
be
on
their
impact.
But
you
don't
have
a
hack
of
every
single
purse.
Every
single
participant
in
a
big
honey
pot
right,
which
is
what
the
idea
of
a
single
source
of
truth
approach
to
blockchain,
does
right,
say:
hey
everybody.
You
know
we
need
to.
A
A
A
But
now,
don't
you
don't
need
to
spend
capital
expense
to
just
you
know
to
gen,
put
up
effectively
a
topic
on
a
bulletin
board
and
subscribe
to
it.
It's
that
simple.
G
B
Yeah
sorry
about
my
power
situation,
so
I've
I
I've
lost
light,
but
I
am
still
on
on
the
call.
So
can
we
nick
and
john,
can
we
safely
say
that
this
is
a
blockchain
protocol,
or
is
it
not.
A
A
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
technique.
It's
a
way
of
doing
things.
It's
a
standard
approach
to
something
and
what
blockchain
or
baseline
protocol
isn't
is
a
chain
or
you
know
it's
not
a
side
chain
or
a
token
or
a
coin
or
a
there
are
no
tokens
stipulated
in
the
baseline
protocol
right,
that's
you
can
you
and
it
doesn't
technically,
it
doesn't
stipulate
what
which
blockchain
or
which
state
machine
you
use
reference
to
put
your
proofs
on.
A
Although
you
know,
a
lot
of
us
are
think
that
the
ethereum
mainnet
is
a
pretty
good
anchor
right.
Yes,
the
other
thing
people
need
to
know
is,
you
know
not
even
you're,
not
even
putting
your
proofs
necessarily
on
the
public
main
net
you're
anchoring
merkle
trees,
the
roots
of
merkel
trees
to
the
main
net,
so
that
that
conveys
the
supreme
tamper
resistance
of
a
public
blockchain
like
ethereum
and
a
big
one.
You
want
a
big
one.
A
That
really
is
proof
against
tampering
and
having
a
group
of
people
say,
get
control
and
lock
you
out
of
operations
right,
that's
what
you
want,
and
there
are
only
a
couple
of
blockchains
that
give
you
that
ethereum
bitcoin.
If
you
know
it's
really
a
theoretical
point
for
my
money,
ethereum
is
expressive
enough
in
its
and
it's
in
its
system
to
be
a
little
more,
you
have
a
little
more
utility,
in
my
view,
bitcoin
for
this
purpose
and
so
you're
just
dropping
you're
dropping
anchors
onto
the
onto
that
thing.
A
You
get
a
smart
contract
structure
for
that,
but
you're
not
putting
you're,
not
writing
smart
contracts
for
your
business
logic.
Right
again,
that
would
be
a
pretty
good
way
of
violating
your
confidentiality
and
privacy
between
your
counterparties
is,
if
you
wrote
a
smart
contract
and
put
it
on
the
blockchain
you're,
not
doing
that.
A
You're
writing
normal
code
and
and
zero
knowledge
circuits
that
are
running
off
shane
that
are
enforcing
rules
between
you
and
your
counterparties
and
then
again
the
the
execution
of
those
the
correct
execution
among
all
the
counterparties,
the
proof
of
that
is
being
dropped
on
the
blockchain.
That's
all!
That's
happening
on
the
blockchain,
you
can.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
the
best
part,
so
I
think
we
have
two
very
important
things
out
of
the
way
that
yeah
it's
it's
designed
with
zero
knowledge
proofs
at
the
center
and
it's
not
going
to
be
having
any
cryptocurrency
so
yeah.
The
crypto
guys
can
stay
away.
A
There
are,
you
know,
like
yeah,
there
are.
C
A
To
involve
tokens
in
the
process,
especially
when
you
get
into
d5
right,
you
say:
I've
got
I've
got
an
invoice,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
baseline
it
with
you.
That
makes
it
more
likely
that
that
invoice
is
going
to
stay.
It
is,
is
assured
to
be
paid,
and
then
we
can
drop
that
into
a
d5
protocol
yeah,
and
this
would
be
a
you
know,
more
of
a
cryptocurrency
style
protocol
and
then
you're
you're
off
to
the
race
is
there,
but
there
was
no
there's
no
token.
D
D
B
Interesting
interesting
so,
nick
and
john,
can
we
safely
also
say
that
this
is
something
which
is
designed.
D
Yeah,
I
think
we
he
lost
power
or
something
so
bishwashri.
You've
you've
been
involved
in
the
community
for
a
long
time.
Do
you
want
to
tell
the
audience
you
know
all
the
about
all
the
education
and
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
this
space.
E
Yeah
so
hi
guys,
I'm
biswashy
and
I
got
involved
with
beastline
for
a
couple
of
months
ago.
So
the
thing
was
I
was
looking.
E
I
was
working
on
some
projects
regarding
trade
finance,
where
a
lot
of
inter
company
synchronization
is
required
so
of
invoices
and
export
import,
all
the
bills
of
leading
and
purchase
order,
all
these
documents
that
need
to
be
synchronized-
and
I
was
looking
for
a
way
on
how
it
can
be
performed
so-
and
I
was
looking
into
like
different
blockchain
technologies
that
were
there
and
then
baseline
protocol
came
up
because
I
very
clearly
remember
there
was
a
talk
that
was
given
by
john
and
he
said
that
keep
your
private
data
private,
but
we
will
give
you
a
protocol
which
will
allow
you
to
do
the
synchronization,
while
you
keep,
while
keeping
everything
that
need
to
be
kept
private
private.
E
So
that
was
a
big,
very
big
selling
point
for
the
baseline
protocol.
I
would
say
because
a
lot
of
companies
they
want
to
get
into
blockchain
technologies,
but
their
main
concern
is
that
everything
will
be
out
there.
Everything
will
be
out
in
the
open.
What
do
we
do
like?
We
can't
put
our
company's
data
out
there,
so
this
this
protocol,
like
takes
care
of
that,
takes
care
of
that
body,
and
on
top
of
that,
it
gives
you
so
much
more
functionality.
D
Yeah,
I
was
gonna
say
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
haven't
touched
on
too
much
is
that
the
protocol
is
open,
open
source
and
public
domain.
You
know
john
alluded
to
it
a
bit
right.
There
is
no
product
here
right
there.
There
are
many
components
that
go
into
it,
but
you
can
use
whatever
messaging
layer.
D
You
want
right,
you
can
use
nats
or
you
know,
kafka
or
even
email,
if
you
really
want
to,
depending
on
what
your
use
case
is-
and
you
know
we
advocate
the
use
of
ethereum
as
your
your
as
john
calls
it
your
bulletin
board,
to
put
your
proofs
on,
because
that's
the
last
silo
right,
if
you
can
use
a
private
blockchain
or
use
an
arduino
in
your
closet
or
use
anything
else
frankly,
to
even
use
a
newspaper
to
post
these
proofs,
but
in
many
ways
it
creates
its
own
silo.
D
So
you
end
up
having
to
integrate
that
again
with
something
else
right:
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
fabric
implementations
that
are
extending
you
know
beyond
their
initial
private
network
through
baseline
to
other
parties
and
in
companies
that
are
that
are
implementing
this.
D
To
make
processes
more
efficient
are
saving
millions
of
dollars
right
kona
as
an
example,
a
very
public
example
where
their
invoice
processing
alone
is
going
to
save
40
million
dollars
a
year
simply
by
baselining
the
information
within
an
existing
business
process
so
think
about
that
right,
business
processes
exist,
people
are,
you
know,
sending
emails
or
connecting
their
systems
and
what
happens
when
you
need
to
check
the
data?
D
Well,
you
send
another
email
or
you
get
on
the
phone
and
you
call
somebody
and
then
you
wait
and
you
wait
for
them
to
see
your
email
or
pick
up
your
call
and
respond
and
say:
yes,
that's
the
same
information.
I
have
right
with
the
baseline
protocol.
You
just
you
just
check
the
domain
name
right
anywhere.
You
have
a
network,
you
can
check
the
ethereum
net
and
there.
D
That's
the
value
I
have
great
and
it's
and
it's
all
done,
cryptographically
and
securely
again
through
zero
knowledge
and
away
you
go
so
huge
savings
just
on
an
efficiency
perspective.
Awesome.
A
Was
telling
us
about
her
work
and
hey?
Do
you
wanna,
you
wanna
scoop
the
the
news
bishwashri
about
excel.
B
E
Yeah
so
like
the
baseline
protocol,
the
community,
they
came
up
with
a
grant
about
two
two
and
a
half
months
ago,
so
the
grant
is
for
the
development
and
enrichment
enhancement
of
the
protocol
and
anyone
can
come
in
and
contribute
to
it.
So
one
part
of
the
protocol
that
is
still
in
development
is
where
the
baseline
stack
finally
connects
with
different
crp
systems,
so
the
one
I
am
working
on
is
for
excel.
So
any
changes
so
suppose
you
you
have
an
excel
and
your
counterparty
has
an
excel.
E
E
A
That
is
super.
I
I
have
to
thank
dishwasher
that
your
your
connector
may
be
the
most
used
connector
in
the
baseline
world,
because
excel
is
the
secret
database
of
all
of
everyone
and
to
be
able
to
say
hey
this
row
in
my
excel
table
is
is
verified
that
it's
you
know
that
they're
against
repudiation
and
against.
You
know
that
somebody's
saying,
oh,
I
didn't
get
the
I
didn't
get
that
information.
A
You
say
no,
you
did
and
it's
the
same
as
what
I've
got
and
it
even
though
I'm
I'm
just
in
an
excel
spreadsheet
and
you're
in
a
and
you're
in
a
big
erp
system.
I
think
that's
the
coolest
thing
ever.
I
can't
wait
to
see
the
the
code.
I
think
you're
going
to
break
the
code
next
week
right.
B
B
Yeah
you're
gonna
be
doing
it
on
the
international
show,
as
well
as
the
indie
show.
Let's
walk
through.
You
know
what
you're
doing
next
time.
So
I
was,
I
think,
when
I
dropped
off,
I
was
asking
you
about.
Is
it
a
protocol
design
for
the
csos?
B
A
Yeah
I
mean
you
hear
a
lot
in
the
enterprise
blockchain
world
that
I
weirdly
helped
get
started.
I
guess
in
2015,
among
many
other
people,
but
I
kind
of
saw
the
light
and
said
you
know:
enterprise
blockchain.
A
Maybe
it's
not
really
a
thing
or
enterprise.
Blockchain
being
you
know,
private
large
private
shared
complicated,
shared
databases
which
probably
should
have
just
called
it
large
private,
complicated,
shared
databases,
and
then
you
know
everybody
would
have
understood
what
we
what
they
were
getting
into,
which
is
fine,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
a
shared
database.
Just
call
it
a
shared
database,
but
you
know
enterprise.
A
D
B
F
A
If
you've
got
a
delivery,
say
amazon
or
somebody's
delivering
your
package
and
you
need
to
yeah
no,
you
can
put
the
data
in
the
spreadsheet,
but
yeah
technically,
the
the
the
the
hash
is
data
and
it
is
going
on
the
blockchain.
So
technically
you
know
it
you're
putting
data,
but
not
the
data
that
you're
worried
about
right
you're
effectively,
and
it
is
the
true
when
we
talked
about
tokens
back
in
the
day.
A
A
B
B
Awesome
so
we're
going
to
be
partying
to
it,
and
you
know
with
that.
I
would
want
to
invite
deepak
deepak.
Why
don't
you
introduce
the
decentral
community,
say
hi
to
your
community
members
who
joined
the
live
stream
and
talk
a
little
more
about
your
perspectives
that
you've
developed
about
the
baseline
protocol
so
far?
And
how
do
you
think
that
you
know
developers
and
you
know
either
they
are
running
their
own
companies
or
they're
working
for
large
puppets?
How?
How
can
they
benefit
by
jumping
on
this
bus.
G
Hey
well
thanks
samrat
for
kind
of
inviting
us-
and
I
I
hope
I
know
a
couple
of
my
co-founders-
have
joined
the
you
know,
youtube
airlife
and
I
know
sam
is
here,
so
he
just
introduced
himself
as
well.
So
let
me
just
talk
about
d
centrum.
First,
so
d
centrum
was
basically
this.
The
group
started
in
2017.
G
When
you
know
seven
of
us
came
together
just
to
co-learn
blockchain,
you
know
and
then
and
and
it
kind
of
all
ended
up
in
we
participating
in
a
hackathon
and
we
were
like
in
the
top
five
and
then
we
lost
out,
but
that
was
a
very,
very
good
experience
and
that's
where
we
thought
hey.
This
is
a
fantastic
way
of
learning
any
technology
concept
right
and
then
that's
where
we
kind
of
came
up
with
this
idea
of.
Why
not
we
do
this
at
you
know.
You
know
kind
of
extend
this
out.
G
I
extend
this
idea
out
for
people
who
are
willing
to
do
blockchain
and
in
2017
blockchain
was
the
buzzword.
So
you
know
at
indian
community
I
mean
you,
you
know,
india
has
fantastic
developers,
absolute,
fantastic
developer,
community.
You
give
them
an
idea
and
you
get
the
product
out
in
a
in
a
in
a
fabulous
way
out
right.
So
so
we
gotta
we
got
to
meet
a
lot
of
developers.
G
G
Absolutely
so
you
know
you
kind
of
are
good
with
basics,
but
what,
after
that?
So
that's
where
we
came
up
with
this
idea
of.
Why
don't
we
do
a
cohort?
You
know.
So
this
is
where
we've
done
three
cohorts
in
the
past.
This
is
pre-pandemic
times
since
then
we
have
kind
of
not
done
this,
but
we
used
to
meet
every
saturday.
We
have
a
community
of
about
350
or
400
people
online
offline
and
we
meet
every
saturday
at
least
30
people
are
there
in
person.
G
When
we
do
this,
the
cohort
is
pretty
simple,
so
we
pick
up
any
protocol
and
and
john
I
I
mean
when
I
say
protocol-
it's
basically
a
blockchain.
I
know
you've
kind
of
defined
protocol
in
in
the
absolute
terms,
and
I
love
that
I
mean
we're
kind
of
going
back
to
basics
and
I
absolutely
love
when
you
talked
about
protocol-
and
you
know
you
also
talked
about
another
term
which
was
which
is
very
basic
stuff
and
I
think
yeah
we'll
be
losing
that
out,
but
yeah.
G
So
when
we
picked
up
blockchain,
we
picked
up
a
couple
of
projects
like
hyperledger.
We
picked
up
ethereum,
we
picked
up
iota
and
we
did
like
three
month
cohorts
for
each
of
these.
So
how
did
we
go
about?
We
first
started
with
couple
of
sessions
on
pure
basics.
You
know,
under
the
hood
kind
of
you
know
what
is
under
the
hood
hyper,
what
is
under
hyperledger?
What
is
under
ethereum?
How
are
they
different
and.
E
G
Couple
of
sessions
on
some
advanced
topics
like
for
iota,
you
know
how,
how
does
the
kind
of
consensus
happens,
or
you
know
those
kind
of
things
and
then
we
kind
of
brought
up
an
idea
of
let's
build
up
a
product,
and
so
we
used
to
ask
people.
Why?
Don't
you
come
up
with
ideas,
business
ideas
that
you
think
you
know
this
protocol
or
this
blockchain
would
would
really
solve,
and
then
we
used
to
and
again
it's
all
decentralized
ways.
So
you
know
nobody
takes
a
decision.
It's
a
group
that
takes
a
decision.
G
G
How
we
kind
of
we
picked
up
three
ideas,
and
then
we
we
implement
that
so
the
best
part
is
this:
is
a
community
where
you
have
project
managers,
your
business
analysts,
your
developers,
testers
and
whatnot,
and
we
kind
of
get
our
own
project
teams
all
by
itself.
You
know
we
kind
of
divide
ourselves
in
such
a
way
that
there
is
one
ba.
G
There
is
one
project
manager
and
then
there
are
a
couple
of
developers
and
testers
and
these
guys
again
in
a
decentralized
fashion,
develop
these
projects,
and
then
we
have
one
day
full
day
event
wherein
we
kind
of
have
people
have
a
larger
audience
invite
invited-
and
you
know
we
present
the
the
solutions
that
are
being
built.
So
honestly,
we
bridge,
like
nine,
simple
solutions,
all
kind
of
community
driven.
B
G
These
these
different
protocols
and
and
and
we
we've
been
supported
very
well
by
the
telangana
government
here
tech
mahindra
has
been
a
very
big
supporter
of
ours
and
you
know,
and
then
again
you
know
we
also
had.
I
guess:
nagaro
nagaro
is
another
company
that
has
supported
it
really
really
well
so
yeah.
C
G
We've
had
some
good,
you
know.
Government
push,
we've
also
had
some
very
good
corporates
who
kind
of
supported
us
and
then
kind
of
funded
us,
but
this
was
all
like
self-funded
things.
B
B
Very
exciting
you're,
like
oh
you're,
like
an
incubator
for
blockchain
startups.
I
think
and-
and
you
know,
I'm
interested
to
meet
more
ceos
coming
out
of
the
community.
Now,
let's,
let's,
let's
try,
but
I
think
I
do
feel
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
products,
you
know
that's
what
we
see
and
then
people
can
come
on
to
office
hours
and
ask
their
questions
here.
Sort
of
get
live
responses
and
resolutions.
G
Absolutely,
I
think,
that's
the
idea,
I
mean
great,
I
mean
basics
are
good,
but
you
know
until
unless
you
kind
of
implement
them.
There's
no
point.
A
G
D
G
Did
one
couple
of
sessions
probably
on
d5
just
prop
because
it
was
a
buzzword,
people
wanted
to
understand
what
is
decentralized
finance
but
yeah.
I
think
baseline.
Coming
back
to
baseline.
I
think
it's
a
very
interesting
concept.
It's
it's
not
really
a
blockchain
as,
as
you
know
now,
I
kind
of
understand
that
a
bit
more,
it's
really
a
protocol
and
and
will
be
very
interesting,
especially
for
the
developer
community.
Because
look
we
have
developers
on
sap.
G
C
B
Lines
one
of
my
best
lines
they're
into
their
business
of
processing
invoices-
and
you
know
I
love
that
company
best
because
they
they
are,
they
are
18
year
old
startup,
I
would
say,
and
doing
fantastically
well
in
in
this
domain
in
india,
they've
got
the
biggest
of
the
customers
and
they
you
know
they
are
on
this
journey
and
in
fact,
when
I
spoke
to
them
about
baseline,
they
got
super
excited,
and
I
said
that
you
know
here
is
your
chance
to
eliminate
all
reconciliations
all
validations.
G
You
know
we
are
having
this
e-invoicing
project
by
the
government
right
yeah.
Of
course
it's
being
rolled
down
yeah
I
mean
I
mean
we
should
we
should
talk
about
that.
A
very
vague
idea
that
you
know,
as
I
was
listening
to
john
I
it
just
kind
of
struck
me
that
okay,
you
know
there
is
this
invoicing
project
that
the
government
is
kind
of
going
right
now,
which
is
more
around
the
gst
and
how
to
kind
of
you
know,
stop
evasion
of
taxes
right
and.
G
A
Oh,
I
would
say
better
than
might
be,
in
fact
we
should
talk
because
nick
and
I
are
working
at
a
company
more
than
just
working.
I
mean
moving
hard
that
you
know
effectively.
We
believe
that
a
baseline
invoice
is
more
likely
to
get
paid.
We
will
buy
that
invoice.
So
I
mean
imagine
you
know
here's
the
difference.
I
the
way
I
think
of
it
is
if
I
were
in
an
elevator
with
a
ceo.
A
I
said
you
know
what
you
should
baseline
your
erp
systems
and
systems
of
record
with
other
with
your
counterparties,
because
it
will,
you
will
have
fewer
screw-ups
right,
fewer
problems,
I'll
I'll,
probably
get
a
good
meeting
with
the
cio
out
of
that
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
But
if
I
said
hey,
you
know
if
you
baseline
your
invoices
and
don't
worry
too
much
about
what
that
means
right
now,
I'll
tell
you
later,
I
will
buy
them
from
you
for
a
really
low
discount
rate.
A
The
seo
is
going
all
the
way
to
the
top
of
the
elevator
and
they're
going
to
do
that
deal
themselves,
yeah
and
so
that
you
know,
if
you're,
if
for
people
that
want
to
make
money
on
this
stuff
out
there
in
india
and
elsewhere,
think
about
that
kind
of
use
case.
That's
a
pretty
strong
selling
proposition.
If
I
was
a
solutions
company
and
I
wanted
to
do
a
transformation
project
with
the
client,
that's
pretty
good
conversation
starter.
G
D
That's
exactly
what
we
call
all
invoices
60
of
all
invoices
are
have
an
issue
of
some
sort
right.
Either
one
data
field
is
out
of
sync,
or
you
know
somebody
doesn't
agree
on
a
date
or
a
value
or
an
amount,
or
what
have
you
and
that
ultimately
delays
the
payment
of
those
invoices-
or
you
know
the
settlement
of
them
so
being
able
to
just
you
know,
agree
to
terms
and
agree
to
the
data
as
you
go,
makes
this
whole
process
much
more
efficient
and
just
saves
money
all
the
way
around.
G
In
fact,
in
fact
it
it
helps
you
and
we're
working
capital.
So
this
is
the
concept
that
we
call
invoice
discounting
in
india.
The
concept
that
john
just
mentioned
right,
an
absolutely
fantastic
concept.
There
are
companies
around
just
doing
invoice
discounting.
There
are
fintech
companies
coming
up
in
india.
B
G
Community
know
that
guys,
you
know
this
is
something
that
I
think
is
is
wonderful.
We
should
definitely
kind
of
start
looking
at
it
and
start
you
know
working
around
and
see
you
know:
where
can
we
fit
or
or
where
is
this
real
really
a
good
fit
in
in
you.
G
Of
those
things
but
yeah
I
put.
D
A
link
to
the
to
the
website
baseline
protocol.org
in
the
chat
on
youtube,
that's
a
great
place
to
get
started.
There's
links
there
to
the
github
repository
to
the
documentation
to
the
slack
workspace.
If
you
want
to
join
our
slack
and
get
involved
in
the
community,
so
yeah
we're
on
youtube.
So
you
got
to
remind
people
samurai
just
to
help.
B
B
Smash
the
subscribe
button
and
hit
the
like
do
join
us
weekly
for
these
office
hours.
These
are
going
to
be
a
place
to
roost
where
we
discuss
everything
we
are
doing
around
baseline
people
presenting
real
projects,
not
just
talking
concepts,
you
know
deeper.
You
know
thanks
thanks
so
much.
For
that
interesting
perspective,
I
think
it's
always
good
to
know.
You
know
a
real
perspective
versus
you
know
something
which
is
really
up
in
the
air
last,
but
not
the
least.
Let's
also
talk
to
navdeep.
B
F
Yes,
thanks
thanks
for
the
introducing
actually
in
the
baseline,
I
see
that
a
lot
of
things
with
we
are
discussing
a
lot
of
project
in
past,
like
we
can
discuss
about
halal
meat
that
is
and
other
effects
we
can
use.
Actually,
basically
on
that,
we
are
analyzed
this
protocol
that
I
I
when
I
analyze
this
protocol,
I
found
this
is
a
cost.
Effective
first
is
a
constant
effectiveness
and
all
these
things
and
another
thing
we
will
already
actually
I'm
currently
exploring
this
protocol.
F
And
then
we
I'm
actually
I'm
a
simrad,
know
that,
but
I'm
I'm
poor,
pure
tech.
E
F
And
I'm
evolving
into
the
I'm.
Basically,
you
can
see
that
you
can
minute
level,
I
checked
the
thing
very
minute
level
and
then
come
with
solutions.
That
is
why
that
is
my.
B
That's
your
strength.
No,
so
so
you
know
deepak
and-
and
I
hope
your
community
members
and
team
members
are
joining
the
slack
channel.
That
is
where
all
the
action
happens
you
pop
up
and
you
pop
up
a
question.
Then
you
know
you
sort
of
get
a
response
and
get
to
analyze
how
much
time
we
take,
but
I
think
it's
super
fast.
I
have
got
all
the
responses
absolutely
super
fast.
It
also
gives
a
sense
of
community
that
yeah,
you
have
people
from
big
and
small
organizations.
B
All
at
one
place
talking
about
one
common
goal:
it's
really
encouraging
to
be
to
be
operating
in
that
fashion.
You
know
last,
but
not
the
least
there's
also
this.
You
know
pertinent
question
which
may
you
know
which
may
be
used
as
one
of
the
initial
pitch
as
well.
You
know
and
that
that's
for
everybody
on
this
on
this
call
that,
let's
say
in
india,
a
lot
of
companies
are
operating
as
back
offices,
and
some
of
them
will
see
this.
B
As
you
know,
okay,
fine,
you
know
this
is
a
technology
which
should
be
driven
by
their
corporate
offices
overseas
and
not
not
to
be
used
by
them,
but
at
times
you
know,
I've
seen
these
companies
through
my
consulting
experience.
So
far,
I've
seen
these
companies
a
lot
of
times,
they're
just
doing
reconciliations
consolidations.
You
know
balance
sheet
consolidation
stuff
like
that
or
you
know
the
client
that
I
spoke
to
you
about.
They
are.
B
They
have
different
entities.
One
entity
is
processing
invoices,
making
payments
processing
payroll,
the
other
entities
also
into
invoice
discounting
they're.
Actually,
the
they're
actually
one
of
the
top
three
discounting
platforms
in
india.
So
so
can
we
to
an
operations
person?
Can
we
say
that
by
implementing
baseline
protocol
they
can
they
are
in
a
way
implementing
the
blue
tick
mechanism.
B
G
Would
help
you,
but
I
would
say
that
that
would
be
the
ideal
world
scenario.
You
know
I've
kind
of
looked
at
three-way
invoice
processing.
It's
it's
a
bit.
Tough,
you
know
it
is
it's
not
technology
can
not
be
the
pro
sol
solution.
I
mean
technology
can
be
the
ultimate
solution,
but
it's
also
the
process
that
is
being
followed.
You
know
yeah,
so
so
there's
there's
so
much
involved
within
the
process
that
you
probably
have
to
also
fix
that
and
then
bring
in
the
technology
aspect.
You
know
that's
where.
G
A
Yeah
there's
right
there
yeah.
There
are
no
silver
bullets
right.
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if,
if
somebody
types
the
wrong
stuff
in
it's
like
you
know,
people
used
to
say
about
blockchain
right,
it
was
going
to
solve
supply,
chain
errors
and
that
sort
of
thing
I'm
like
well
or
fraud
or
corruption.
I'm
like
well,
you
know:
here's
a
box
of
bananas
and
here's
a
box
of
guns,
and
you
know
I
don't.
I
can
put
the
box
of
guns
in
the
container
and
say
it
was
bananas
on
the
database.
A
The
important
thing
about
blockchain
was
that
a
lie
is
a
permanent
lie
and
lies
do
tend
to
need
to
be
changed
in
order
to
keep
up
the
ruse.
So
there
is
utility
but
yeah
you
still
can't.
You
know
you
can't
prevent
the
the
bad
event
from
happening
at
the
you
know.
Humans
find
ways
of
shenanigans,
no
matter
what
they're
really
good
at.
D
B
D
Reconciliation.
It's
funny.
You
say
that
we
have
a
a
a
mesh
family
member
at
hara
and
that's
exactly
what
they
do
using
a
blockchain.
The
nostros
kind
of
you
know
omnibus
account
settlement
between
banks
and
borders
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
yeah.
I.
D
But
it's
it's!
How
you
use
the
tool
right,
it's
like
it's
like
nails
and
wood
right.
You
can
have
a
pile
of
nail
and
nails
and
wood,
and
it's
not
a
house
until
you
put
it
together.
The
right
way.
B
B
So
here
is
you
know
one
layer
above
technology,
it's
capability
and
then
use
that
capability,
plug
it
into
your
business
and
see
where
it
solves
your
problems.
That's
the
way
you
know.
On
that
note
I
would
want
to
you
know
we're
heading
towards
the
top
of
the
hour,
any
any
more
comments
or
or
are
we
good
to
say
goodbye
for
today's
show.
A
Well,
I
I'll
say
one
last
thing:
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
don't
mind
some
right
and
then
I
have
to
go
in
and
you
know,
get
birthday,
creams
and
and
play
dancers
and
dragons
to
I
I'll
say
that
in
a
way
I
almost
wish
that
we
didn't.
You
know
we
didn't
have
the
word
blockchain
in
here
as
much
I
mean
blockchain.
You
know
it's
sort
of
like
saying
you
know
we
have
a
udp
community
right,
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
you
know.
So
it's
a
one
piece,
it's
like
saying.
B
A
Do
you
really
make
the
whole
story
about
that?
One
gear,
yeah
and-
and
I
I
think
that
the
more
powerful
but
maybe
just
less
buzzword-y
thing
to
say
is
baselining
is
all
about
verified,
multi-party
workflows
and
that's
the
big
transformation
right
and
that's
why
we
should
be
in
conferences,
not
blockchain
conferences.
A
So
much
as
you
know
that
that
conference
down
near
the
airport,
with
the
you
know,
with
the
cio
and
the
I.t
guys
or
men
and
women
that
are
talking
about
you-
know
practical
implementation
stuff
and
today
the
move,
I'm
sure
everybody
would
agree,
is
going
from
single
company,
bpm
type
type
projects
to
multi-company,
multi-institution,
legally
separate
entity,
workflows,
and
you
have
to
have
a
way
of
verifying
consistency
and
and
workflow
integrity.
And
that's
all
we're
talking
about
here.
A
So
whether
you
do
in
fact,
I
think
baselining
is
a
good
word
to
wrap
all
of
that
up,
regardless
of
the
specific
technique.
Right
now.
You
know
we
have
a
specific
technique
in
the
standards
process,
but
there
there
could
be
more
coming
and
it's
all
basically
saying
hey
we're
branding
the
idea
of
verified,
multi-party
workflow.
B
B
Well
any
last
words
deepak
to
the
community.
We
we
want
to
hear
from
you
when
you
want
to
kick
off
the
cohort
for
baseline.
G
I
think
yeah
we
should
talk
more
about.
It
definitely
looks
a
very
interesting.
You
know
idea
and
and
as
john
just
mentioned
right,
it's
it's.
I
think,
yeah,
it's
it's
not
a
blockchain,
but
it's
it's
really
a
protocol.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
way
of
how
you
can
solve
the
multi-party
workflows
right,
a
very
interesting
concept
that
you
know
we're
kind
of
bringing
in
and
to
me
it's
like
an
implementation
of
a
blockchain.
So
I
mean
I
mean.
C
G
Implementation
of
a
solution
on
top
of
blockchain
right
and
in
in
a
very
good
way,
so
I
mean
but
yeah
coming
back
yeah
I
mean
we
can
definitely
talk
about
it.
I
mean
I,
I
would
love
to
kind
of
take
some
feedback
from
the
community
as
to
what
they
think,
I'm
sure
they
should
be
excited,
but
we'd
love
to
take
this
to
the
community
and
see
you
know,
maybe
do
a
cohort
and
run
run
this
through,
at
least
for
a
couple
of
months
and
see
what
kind
of
ideas
come
out.
B
Yeah
totally-
and
you
know
as
far
as
biswashy
and
me
we're
concerned
about
future
events.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
on
similar
shows
on
similar
live
streams
across
the
next
month
or
so
we're
going
to
be
taking
sessions
on
you
know
the
business
side
of
baseline,
as
well
as
the
technical
side,
so
bishop
is
going
to
have
and
we're
going
to
also
invite
community
members
from
all
over
the
world.
It's
a
very
strong
community.
B
They
are,
there
are
you
know
fantastic
companies
and,
as
john
says,
also
making
seven
figure
fees
using
baseline
already.
So,
let's,
let's
invite
people
from
that
community
to
come
here.
Talk
about
it
teach
people
we're
gonna,
have
some
master
classes
on
the
tech
side
as
well.
As
you
know,
talking
about
you
know
how
we,
how
we
can
shape
business
models
around
it.
B
So
it's
going
to
be
a
well-rounded
on-ramp
so
to
say
for
the
indian
community,
where
they
understand
the
business
as
well
as
the
tech
side,
so
yeah,
but
but
people
have
to
make
sure
that
they
turn
up
on
this
event,
every
saturday
at
6,
00
pm
with
that,
I
would
like
to
close
today's
call.
Thank
you
so
much
for
showing
up
people
on
zoom
as
well
as
people
on
youtube.
I
see
many
comments.
I
think
the
favorite
one
being
nick
looks
baseline.