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From YouTube: Baseline Show - India :: 5 March 2022
Description
The official office hours of the Baseline Community in India. We invite guests who inspire Baseline adoption and discuss use cases.
This week we had prominent core devs from the Baseline Community Keith, Mark, and Yoav who are now part of the newly incubated Baseline-Labs at ConsenSys Mesh.
A
Hey
everyone
hi:
this
is
sumrat
again,
I'm
the
co-chair
of
baseline
protocol
and
I
bring
to
you
baseline
show
from
india
every
saturday
at
6
00
pm.
By
the
way,
this
time
is
very
soon
going
to
be
revised
to
thursdays,
thursday
at
6,
00
pm,
so
that
it
will
fit
into
everybody's
working
day.
I've
been
getting
a
lot
of
requests
since
a
long
time.
So
finally,
it's
happening.
We're
also
reducing
the
duration
of
the
show,
so
so
that
it
is
bite-sized
it
can
fit
into
people's
commutes,
etc.
A
Okay,
so
that's
a
small
announcement
on
the
baseline
shows
so
for
today
I
have
a
very
special
team
today
for
a
change
we
have
so
many
people
on
the
show
mark,
of
course,
mark
with
the
c
is,
is,
as
always
present
with
me
on
the
baseline
show
in
india
every
week.
Thank
you
again
mark
for
making
in
this
time
as
well
and
going
on
to
the
next
mark
on
the
show
we
have
mark
rimsa
and
keith
salzman
and
joao
pitan.
A
We
also
have
sonal
who's,
who
may
not
be
showing
on
video
right
now,
but
she
will
come
back
to
us
by
the
way.
So
so
this
week
we
decided
to
deep
dive
into
a
little
bit
of
coding.
What's
going
on
with
the
core
devs
of
baseline
and
mark
keith
and
joao
seem
to
seem
to
be
leading
leading
from
the
front.
They've
won
several
hackathons
as
a
team.
A
In
the
past
they
used
to
work
for
one
of
the
biggest
car
makers
in
the
world
and,
as
I
say
each
time
on
on
these
shows
any
views
and
research
that
they
present
is
their
own
personal,
intellectual
property.
It
does
not
have
to
do
with
any
of
their
employers
present
or
past.
So
with
that,
I
bring
upon
mark
mark
with
the
k-
let's,
let's,
let's
hear
your
little
bit
of
about
yourself,
your
background,
what
you
do,
what
what
are
you
doing
currently
and
then?
A
B
B
I
actually
have
a
business
background
from
school,
specifically
business
information
systems,
so
a
little
bit
of
a
different
twist,
and
that
feeds
into
the
current
role
that
I
have
at
baseline
right
now,
because
while
I
am
a
a
developer
solutions
architect
and
have
been
involved
with
the
technical
side
of
things,
I'm
very
interested
in
the
use
cases
of
baseline,
specifically
from
a
business
standpoint,
and
one
of
the
big
problems
that
we're
trying
to
solve
here
is
how
we
can
actually
commercialize
baseline
or
bring
it
to
the
wider
masses,
so
you're
getting
a
little
you're,
getting
a
little
preview
of
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
later
in
the
show
here.
C
Hey
thank
you
mark
with
the
k.
So,
as
you
know,
my
name
is
keith.
My
traditional
background
has
been
in
a
full
stack
experience,
various
different
stacks.
You
know
java
to
react
or
like
a
node
to
react
or
angular,
and
I
too
worked
as
a
software
developer
engineer
for
gm
now,
working
for
baseline,
hoping
and
actually
getting
involved
in
the
more
technical
side
of
things.
C
So
I
like
to
refer
to
myself,
sometimes
as
marquee's
counterpart,
that
he
takes
care
of
the
business
aspect
and
I
go
usually
for
the
more
deep
technical
stuff.
So
this
involves
you
know,
actual
standards,
implementations.
I've
done
work
in
different
blips,
baseline
implementations
and
improvement
proposals
as
well.
As
you
know,
zkp
stuff
anything
zkp.
I
love
and
I'll
pass
the
video
off
now.
D
Thank
you,
keith
with
a
k.
My
name
is
yoaf.
Also
a
former
software
developer
engineer
at
general
motors.
I
have
my
degree
in
computer
science
and
yeah.
I've
been
interested
in
crypto
and
blockchain
for
quite
a
long
time.
So
when
I
was
offered
to
check
out
ethe
atlanta,
I
thought
that
was
a
really
exciting
opportunity
when,
when
I
saw
what
what
blockchain
was
up
to
it
or
what?
D
What
based
on
excuse
me
when
I
saw
what
baseline
was
up
to
over
at
east
atlanta,
I
got
really
excited
to
kind
of
get
involved
and
I'm
very
excited
to
say
that
I'm
now
also
working
on
baseline,
full-time
with
keith
and
mark
and
sono
and
keith
described
himself
as
being
the
counterpart
to
mark.
I
would
say,
I'm
somewhere
in
between
I'll,
be
definitely
working
in
both
ends,
both
in
business
as
well
as
on
the
tech
side
and
working
closely
with
the
core
developers
as
well.
So
yeah
very
excited
to
be
here.
A
Awesome
awesome.
Thank
you
guys,
thank
you
for
for
making
time
for
the
baseline
show
in
india
and,
of
course,
for
doing
this
so
early
in
the
morning,
for
you
guys
and
and
with
that
for
the
community,
a
major
update
for
the
community
is
that
baseline
finally
has
baseline
labs,
and
it's
now
populated
with
talented
people.
A
Of
course
sonar
was
the
seed
or
the
genesis
block
of
of
of
of
baseline
labs,
but
then,
then
we
have
now
got
mark
keith
and,
and
you
off
so
cool
stuff
happening
they
of
course,
you
know
they.
If,
if
you
hear
their
story,
how
they
entered
baseline
community
and
and
now
where
they
are,
it's
pretty
interesting
and,
of
course,
very
it's
inspiring
for
people
to
join
in
and
and
contribute
to
baseline
and
also
in
the
eventually
make
a
lot
of
money
right.
A
So
with
that
with
that,
I
I
call
upon
mark
mark
you
would
like
to
present.
I
would
like
to
make
a
presentation
right.
That's
what
we
spoke
about.
Yeah.
A
B
Yeah,
okay,
so
a
little
context
here
about
what
we're
about
to
show
you
is.
This
is
an
exercise
that
we
did
for
baseline
before
we
joined.
You
could
consider
this
sort
of
a
thought
experiment
of
a
typical
activity-
that's
going
to
be
going
on
in
in
baseline
labs,
specifically
for
the
effort
to
commercialize
baseline.
B
So
what
we're
about
to
show
you
is
how
you
would
think
about
commercializing
baseline,
specifically
in
the
vein
of
supply
chain,
and
here
we're
we're
looking
at
a
a
specific
problem
that
car
makers
face,
and
in
this
case
we're
saying
it's
a
problem
that
tesla
is
facing
here
sure
and
real,
quick.
The
disclaimer
here
is
that
you
know
all
information
involving
tesla
or
anything
like
this
is
our
own
conjecture
or
personal
ideas,
and
I
think
sam
ron
already
touched
on
that.
B
So
when
we
take
a
look
at
tesla's
supply
chain,
we
can
see
that
they
spend
massive
amounts
globally
across
the
us
huge
supplier
counts.
All
of
this
indicates
to
us
that
they
have
a
lot
of
parties
that
they
need
to
coordinate
with
this,
isn't
a
super
crazy
take
here.
This
is
the
essence
of
supply
chain.
There
are
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
and
you
need
to
coordinate
with
all
of
them,
but
the
main
takeaway
here
is
that
the
supply
chain
that
tesla
operates.
B
It
relies
on
a
couple
main
categories
of
things
that
we
can
communicate,
that
baseline
solves
specifically
data
security.
I
think
you
could
say
that
baseline
in
a
way
is
programmable.
Privacy
and
synchronized
workflows
is
another
key
component
of
supply
chain
and
you
need
to
have
clear
communication
between
those
parties
and
that
clear
communication
can
come
in
the
way
of
synchronizing
those
activities
and
records
in
each
party's
traditional
systems
of
record.
B
So
now
that
we
have
a
a
ripe
example
here
for
for
the
picking
that
we
would
like
to
apply
baseline
to
the
next
step
is
zeroing
in
on
a
specific
problem
that
baseline
can
help
solve
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
hardest
parts
of
coming
up
with
a
good
use
case
in
business,
especially
when
coordinating
under
zero
knowledge,
at
least
that
I've
experienced
and
maybe
keith
and
yolf
can
back.
This
up
is
oftentimes.
B
So,
in
the
case
that
we
have
here
on
the
screen,
what
we're?
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
chip
shortage,
which
is
a
very
common
problem
in
supply
chain.
Right
now,
nobody
is
able
to
get
a
hold
of
semiconductors
and
semiconductors
are
used
in
nearly
anything
and
they're
used
in
the
car
industry
and
the
supply
chain
use
case
that
we
have
here
has
to
do
with
a
semiconductor
purchasing
specialist
for
tesla.
He
needs
to
purchase
semiconductors,
but
the
big
problem
here
is
both
parties
want
to
keep
the
performance
of
the
semiconductors.
B
Private
tesla
doesn't
want
to
reveal
the
performance
of
their
semiconductors
because
it
could
signal
how
performant
their
products
are,
which
could
negatively
affect
their
performance
against
other
car
companies
and
and
what
this
is.
Is
they
want
to
range
proof
in
zero
knowledge
terms?
They
want
to
verify
that
they
have
a
specific
amount
of
performance
within
a
range
without
actually
stacking
themselves,
up
against
individual
competitors
and
on
the
supplier
side
of
things.
B
B
B
B
So
without
further
ado,
I'm
going
to
move
forward
here-
and
I
think
this
is-
I
think
java
is
going
to
talk
about
this,
but
once
you've
clearly
defined
the
problem.
There's
a
clear
next
step
whenever
you're
pitching
this
to
other
companies
and
getting
them
on
board.
D
Yeah,
thank
you
mark
so
now
that
we
have
a
use
case
identified
and
a
company,
we
would
like
to
present
it
to
first.
You
have
to
start,
of
course,
with
explaining
what
is
baseline
right.
You
can't
exactly
pitch
it
without
them,
knowing
what
they're
getting
themselves
into
so
here
we,
we
would
have
some
basic
things
that
we'd
like
to
mention.
D
We
want
to
introduce
core
concepts
of
the
protocol,
we'd
like
to
give
them
a
clear,
simple
explanation:
we
don't
want
to
get
too
technical
heavy
off
the
bat
just
kind
of
an
overall
here's,
the
standard,
here's
how
well
it
is
at
concealing
private
data
and
accomplishing
the
main
goal
of
multi-party
synchronization,
as
well
as
being
used
as
a
verifiable
system
of
record
we'd
also
definitely
want
to
show
off
all
the
companies
that
are
involved,
especially
those
with
the
big
name.
Recognition
like
bottom
left
are
our
founders
of
consensus,
ey
and
microsoft.
D
You
know
such
tech
giants
with
such
such
legitimacy
to
them.
It
would
really
offer
a
lot
to
the
to
the
baseline
protocol
as
a
whole.
To
say
these
are
the
the
big
name
brand
companies
that
you
are
working
with
and
really
essentially,
we
just
want
to
explain
the
core
of
baseline
and
give
them
details.
That
would
pertain
to
their
specific
use
case
in
their
business
and
show
off
how
baseline
would
improve
what
they
already
have
using.
A
I
think
all
of
us
are
proud
of
the
partners
and
sponsors
and
founders
of
baseline.
I
think
that's
it's
pretty
cool
and
that
list
just
keeps
growing
and
and
peop
for
people
who
are
watching
us
in.
If
you
want
to
check
more
about
baseline,
go
to
baseline
hyphen
protocol.org,
you
will
get
a
section
called
get
involved.
A
C
Yeah,
that's
correct,
yeah
super
good,
but
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
so
I
think
so
far
in
a
presentation
of
this
type
of
this
flavor,
you
know
we
have
mark,
has
talked
about
and
set
the
stage
for
the
problem
that
baseline,
seeks
to
solve.
C
You'll
have
has
introduced
just
the
basic
foundational
idea
of
baseline.
So
this
point
we
tend
to
kind
of
dive
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
technical
side.
So
why
do
we
do
that?
Well,
we
don't
want
to
spend
too
long
with
this.
Just
kind
of
idea
of
you
know
baseline
as
this
magical
whimsical
thing
that
can
solve
these
problems
without
building
a
type
of
mental
model
in
the
audience's
mind
of
really
how
this
would
work
in
practice,
albeit
kind
of
a
simple
stand-in.
C
You
know,
of
course,
for
what
is
what
happened
in
reality,
as
most
things,
its
nature
are
right,
so,
depending
on
the
level
of
the
audience,
of
course,
a
presenter
and
us
in
this
case
might
have
to
adapt
to
you
know
the
depths
of
the
technicality
they
get
into
whether
you're
pitching
you
know
straight
to
business
team
or
you
have
actual
tech
teams
involved,
but
we
want
to
give
them
some
true
insight
into.
C
You
know
the
core
principles:
ideas
behind
how
baseline
will
actually
solve.
You
know,
let's
say
in
this
case
the
communication
that
semiconductor
is
within
a
certain
range
of
quality.
C
We
want
to
give
that
implementation
wise,
how
that's
going
to
be
done
right,
so
we
give
them
usually
this
this
graph,
which
here
this
graphic,
will
detail
kind
of
a
an
interaction
after
setting
up
kind
of
baselining.
Two
different
companies
here
are
the
examples
with
you
know:
tesla
to
a
supplier,
so
the
supplier
of
the
semiconductor
to
tesla,
the
buyer
of
the
semiconductor,
and
we
like
to
show
from
a
high
view.
C
Sometimes
we
go
in
and
show
like
a
single
transaction,
how
it
moves
detailed,
every
detail,
but
here
for
the
initial
pitch
you
know
we
go
from
a
high
view.
You
know
where.
E
C
The
actual
the
bpi
that
baseline
vertical
instance,
where,
where
would
it
drop
in
between
them?
How
does
each
side
kind
of
transfer
that
state
object
between
they're
making
different
calls
to
the
bpi
while
the
bpi
has
this
internal
api,
that's
connecting
with
the
baseline
protocol
core
stack
of
ccsm,
possibly
depending
on
the
unique
implementation
of
it
right
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
within
the
ccsm
layer,
we
have
some
kind
of
bpi
contract
between
those
two
parties
right.
So
we
want
to
make
those
connections
of
where.
B
C
That
audience
like
a
appear
through
the
looking
glass
into
you
know
how
we're
going
to
how
baseline
is
going
to
solve
these
problems
right.
C
A
I
think
I'm
good,
you
know,
that's,
that's,
and,
and
and
thank
you
for
for
bringing
on
the
tech,
stack
and
sort
of
reference.
Implementation
of
of
baselining
but
and
mark
you've
been
you've
been
talking
a
lot
about
in
the
past,
and
I
would
like
to
bring
you
in
here
about
what
does
it
take
from
the
outside.
So
this
is
all
under
the
hood
right.
It's
all
under
the
hood
stuff
which
keeps
us
brought
in,
but
you
talk
about.
A
E
Mark
with
a
c
yeah,
as
far
as
from
the
outside,
it's
it's
really
interesting,
especially
because
I've
actually
worked
on
a
project
that
that
did
involve
gm.
This
is
about
three
three
and
a
half
years
ago
in
their
finance,
accounting
and
procurement,
which
the
use
case
that
mark
is
illustrating
today
dealt
with
one
aspect
of
it
called
source
to
pay,
and
this
is
where
you
have
really
curating
and
organizing
all
of
these
invoices.
E
So
they
can
be
properly
locked
into
the
system
and
you
know
really
start
the
whole
process
of
the
supply
chain.
As
far
as
being
paid
and
settled
and
closed
and
one
of
the
big
things
that
they
had
was
you
know
gm
had
you
know
over
a
million
suppliers
and
each
one
of
them
is
invoicing
for
their.
You
know
for
the
goods
that
have
already
been
delivered
and
they're
just
waiting
to
get
paid
according
to
the
terms
of
their
agreement
and
a
lot
of
times.
E
Someone
will
go
ahead
and
send
an
invoice,
and
then
there
hasn't
been
any
activity,
so
they'll
go
ahead
and
send
another
invoice,
and
so
it's
another
duplicate
that
had
come
through
there,
which
just
adds
to
the
process
flow,
but
also
they
were
really
starting
to
be
concerned
about.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
duplicate
invoices
being
paid,
and
you
know
because
the
data
set
was
you
know,
the
inflow
was
so
massive
that
it
was
impossible
really
to
keep
tabs
on.
E
You
know
every
invoice
that
just
flowed
through
the
the
entire
process
and
baseline
really
does
it
does
a
lot
to
actually
sit
there,
because
it
will
make
sure
that
there's
acknowledgement
with
more
than
one
party
within
the
process
environment,
so
they
can
say,
wait
a
minute.
We've
already
paid
this
our
weight.
E
We've
already
seen
this
invoice
and
we've
already
set
it
in
a
pen
file
to
be
paid
in
30
60
90
days
depending
on
the
arrangement,
and
it
really
would
cut
down
on
just
that
waste
because
you
know
again,
the
inflow
is
so
massive
that
to
really
keep
you
know
and
molecular
type
attention
on
everyone.
Every
invoice
was
just
possible
and
so
by
having
baseline,
you
know
you
enter
it
in,
but
it's
also
visible
and
acknowledged
by
you
know
the
other
members
within
the
multi-party
process
environment.
E
So
it
cuts
down
natively
from
you
know,
a
lot
of
this
duplicate
invoice
just
from
the
process
waste
so
and
not
to
say
anything
that
there
may
be
some.
You
know
bad
actors
in
there
that
are
trying
to
sneak
a
couple
of
invoices
in
there
and
maybe
change
the
payment
addresses.
E
If
there
were
some
hackers
to
go
in
there,
they
would
be
able
to
go
in
there
and
probably
not
be
detected
for
quite
a
while,
just
because
it's
so
crowded,
so
gonna
kind
of
wrap
it
up
baseline
goes
a
long
way
of.
Actually,
you
know
not
only
synchronizing
it,
but
also
making
an
accounting
of
everything
that
is
inflowing
on
the
side.
A
Well,
I
think,
I
think,
mark
to
your
point
about
bad
actors
in
the
in
the
whole
process.
I
I've
actually
seen
an
incident.
A
a
invoice
processing
company
in
india
had
reported
that
their
data
was
compromised.
A
What
I
would
actually
mean
that
they
had
hackers
got
access
to
all
invoices
of
their
customers
and
now
imagine
the
wealth
of
data
that
these
and
these
guys
stole
and
could
potentially
sell
to
their
customers
so
back
to
the
technical
discussion.
If,
if
if
we
were
to
so
one,
is
the
tesla
side
of
the
story
right?
What
what
does
it
take
for
the
suppliers
in
terms
of
technology
to
integrate
with
a
system
like
this.
C
Okay,
so
I
think
that's
one
of
the
really
key
and
unique
facets
of
you
know:
two
companies,
or
more
really
baseline,
would
be
needed
for
three
multi-party
or
more
is
where
it
shines.
But
that's
one
of
the
really
the
key
gains
here
is
that
at
its
core,
the
baseline
story
is
this
one-size-fits-all
unique
implementation
that
sits
between
the
three
or
more
parties.
C
Of
course,
we
simplified
it
here
in
the
diagram
for
two
for
terms
of
presentation
and
wrapping
your
mind
around
it,
yeah
understanding
a
rudimentary
sense,
but-
and
that's
really
the
the
main
problem
that
baseline
kind
of
seeks
to
solve
right
that
anything.
C
In
addition
to
that
is
just
kind
of
a
bonus
gain
right
that
the
the
addition
of
zkp's
and
hiding
the
sensitive
data
or
the
use
of
vcs-
or
you
know,
ccsm,
but
being
able
to
drop
in
this
custom.
One
size
fits
all
almost
like
a
connector
really
but
more
advanced
between
your
side
and
then
anybody
else
who
uses
that
same
implementation.
C
B
B
Question
was
like
the
the
core
components
that,
like
a
company,
would
need
right,
and
you
know
that
would
be
you
need
to
have
access
to
apis.
You
need
an
a
you
need,
an
identity
system.
B
You
need
access
to
a
ccsm,
but
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
use
one
and
keith.
What's
the
other
component
that
I'm
missing
here
so.
C
C
Detail
and
definition,
you
know
down
to
the
different
types
of
packages
and-
and
let's
say
I
think,
services
that
mark
was
mentioning
with
identity
and
and
privacy
and
vault,
and
all
these
messaging
and
all
these
other
things
is
that
it
brings
kind
of
an
interface
definitions
of
those
things
that
need
to
be
implemented.
So
you
have
these
reference
implementations
that
exist
and
examples
throughout
the
repository
you
have
these
other
repositories
that
are
of
kind
of
enabling
baseline.
C
C
So
you
have
the
enabled
around
you
have
that
kind
of
interface
in
the
middle
that
sets
up
what
you
need
to
define,
and
then
you
know
the
company
itself
can
decide
how
to
implement
specifically
down
to
the
custom
logic
which
is
necessary.
If
you
want
that
one
size,
custom
fits
all,
especially
when
you're
implementing
that
you
know
msa
that
details
the
the
whole
foundation
of
that
bpi
between
this
case,
like
tesla
and
the
supplier
right.
A
Yeah,
absolutely,
I
think
I
think
that's
pretty
detailed
and
that's
what
I
that's
what
I
needed.
So
you
know
the
whole
idea
should
be
that
you
know
it's
easy
to
use
and
even
smaller
companies
can
jump
on
board.
I
think
all
of
those
act
as
sort
of
the
first
sort
of
first
questions
that
we
get.
You
know
when
we
talk
about
adoption
when
you're
talking
about
people
joining
the
western
community,
they
said
yeah
yeah,
you
know,
let's,
let's,
let's
see
production
implementations.
A
Let's
see
you
know
big
software
companies
or
sas
companies
also
giving
out
out
of
the
box
integration
with
baselining,
for
example.
So
so
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
I'm
talking
about
so
and-
and
you
know,
I
think
now-
is
also
the
right
time
to
talk
about
connectors.
So
do
you
think
it's
it's
worthwhile
for
for
sas
companies
to
invest
in
creating
baseline
connectors
right
now.
B
Well,
I
I've
been
wondering
about
that
myself.
It's
it's
sort
of
a
a
tricky
question,
because
I
think
between
two
parties,
the
the
connectors
can
do-
can
do
just
fine
like
let's
say
between
sap
and
sap,
but
but
certainly,
if
you're,
if
you're,
coordinating
with
between
sap
and
microsoft
dynamics,
you
could
benefit
from
from
baseline,
but
but
the
real
the
real
benefit
comes
in.
When
you
have
you
know
more
than
two
parties
who
are
all
coordinating,
I
I
think
it
is
worthwhile
to
invest
in
it.
B
The
the
the
hardest
part
for
me
is
just
envisioning
how
how
those
implementations
would
look,
because
I
I
think
it's
worth
investing
in,
but
then
I
go
straight
to
well.
How
could
we
practically
implement
this
from
from
a
solutions
point
of
view
and
that
gets
that
gets
much
more
complicated.
F
F
F
Okay,
I
was
just
going
to
mention
that,
when
mark
mentioned,
like
the
sap
sap,
we
had
a
conversation
with
splunk
earlier
this
week
on
our
wednesday
baseline
show
and
when
it
comes
to
a
company
implementing
baseline
in
their
already
existing
products.
F
Who's
using
these
products,
so
that's
a
very
cool
angle
to
approach
it
from
as
well
and
then
there's
the
the
cross
platform
coordination
as
well.
E
Right
and-
and
I
would
say
another
thing
that
we
had
you
know
really
been
developing
in
lockstep
with
everything
else-
is
the
concept
of
the
global
phone
book.
We
want
to
have
a
a
white
list
of
you,
know,
counterparties
that
are
already
set
up
to
baseline,
that,
if
you're
new
to
baselining
and
you
do
business
with
a
lot
of
these
people,
you
know
you
want
to
build
this
community
to
where
you
can
look
it
up
and
say:
oh
they're,
already
baseline
and
you
can
set
up
that
connection.
A
lot
quicker.
C
And
just
to
kind
of
add
in
that,
I
think
to
what
mark
was
saying
more
like
the
tactical
implementation
you
know,
if
we,
if
we
kind
of
assess
like
does
it
make
sense
to
be
able
to
do
this
technical
implementation?
C
Well,
eventually
we're
going
to
do
some
kind
of
business
calculation
on
you
know
what
gains
do
we
have
right
to
those
gains
in,
let's
say
the
ability
to
communicate
with
anybody
who
has
implemented
a
baseline
protocol
to
those
gains
of
info
security
right
infosec
through
zkp's
or
vcs
to
those
you
know,
justify
the
initial
investment
which
to
me,
because
I'm
usually
more
tech,
heavy
side
anytime,
there's
a
new
cool
tech,
I'm
just
like,
oh
implement
it
like,
of
course.
Why
would
I
not
implement
it.
E
C
A
C
E
Network
and
and
the
more
time
you
can
have
the
more
that
it's
going
to
be
populating
this
global
phone
book
and
so
it'll
make
that
the
setup
a
lot
easier,
yeah.
One
question
that
I
would
have-
and
actually
I
think,
keith
and
mark
would
probably
both
take
a
stab
at
it
is
you
know,
say
I'm
a
you
know
big
global.
You
know
fortune
500
company
or
something
like
that,
and
I
want
to
do
this.
Where
is
the
attachment
point?
Where
would
I
put
this
in
my
architecture?
E
You
know
I
mean
as
far
as
the
route
as
far
as
you
know,
api
connections
or
something
like
that.
That
would
be
one
thing
that
I
would
be
interested
to
find
out.
Is
you
know
where,
in
my
big
vast
you
know
it?
Architecture
is
escaping
attached,
yeah.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question,
so
I
think
to
like
accurately
answer
it
would
have
first
you'd
have
to
have
a
working
knowledge
of
you
know,
which
company
are
we
talking
about
right?
Which
system
within
that
company?
Because
we
talk
about
these,
these
huge
enterprises.
C
They
have
tons
of
services
if
they're
large
enough
to
have
their
own
data,
warehouses
spun
up
and
everything
right,
it's
let's!
So,
let's
say
if
they
go
from
like
the
ground
up
really,
you
know
as
they're
building
this
they
can.
If
they
have
their
own
data
warehouse,
they
can
put
it
out.
There
build
these
implementations
from
their
side,
their
own
protocol
implementation.
C
If
not,
they
you
know,
could
be
somewhere
out
like
a
virtual
machine
somewhere
aws
right
once
it's
built
to
the
point
where
they
could
integrate
it
with
one
of
their
latest
systems.
Well,
they
would
just
make
sure
that
on
the
one
side
you
know
that
it
can
receive
information
with
that
legacy
system.
So
for
us,
that's
generally,
just
you
know
creating
some
one.
One
side
has
a
set
of
apis
open
to
another
side
right
yeah,
so
that
could
be
your
legacy
system.
C
Has
these
apis
that
are
open
internally
already,
because
they
have
to
share
this
information
with
your
other
all
kinds
of
services,
right
yeah.
So
when
we
build
that
some
kind
of
our
own,
you
know
reference
implementation,
it
would
probably
be
spun
up
in
another
service
that
just
goes
and
sends
out.
These
calls
to
those
apis
to
get
that
information
right
and
then
it
would
still
be
inside
kind
of
our
internal.
It
would
become
part
of
than
our
legacy
systems
before
it.
C
A
Super
super.
I
think
I
get.
I
get
that
question
a
lot
and
I
think
I
asked
that
question
to
you
guys
last
time
around
the
biggest
competition
competition
to
to
baselining,
which
which
I
get
from
people
is,
you
know
we
already
have
an
api
based
integration.
So
till
the
time
I
think
we
have
to
find
the
right
use
cases
till
the
time
there
are
non-trusting
parties
who
are
not
comfortable,
coordinating
or
sharing
information
via
apis.
A
C
E
Synchronization,
you
know
what
I
mean:
that's
that's
really.
Where
baseline
you
know
comes
in
and
says
you
know.
Yes,
you
do
on-prem
computing
and
you
don't
necessarily
are
you
you're
you're?
Very
you
don't
want
to
share
information
and
stuff
just
because
of
either
data
privacy
or
competitive
position.
E
You
know,
but
wouldn't
you
like
to
know
that
you're
at
least
synchronized
without
revealing
anything
I
mean,
I
don't
see
a
downside
to
it,
just
because
you
know
even
at
its
basic
level,
you're
getting
that
synchronization
of
all
the
parties
in
a
multi-party
environment
and
that
addresses
so
many
business
problems
immediately
with
back
office.
E
Reconciliation
with
you
know
just
having
data
out
of
sync
and
to
make
good
actions
that
have
to
happen
to
get
them
back
in
sync,
I
think
you
at
its
basic
utility
baseline,
still
is
very
compelling
just
on
the
synchronization
alone.
A
Cool,
I
I
have
a
question
on
the
landscape.
You
know
just
building
on
to
what
what
mark
marxi
had
mentioned
earlier,
which
was
you
know
where
does
it
fit
in
now?
Imagine
a
situation
where
I
have
multiple
systems
using
which
I
am
generating
the
data
which
eventually
has
to
be
synced
with,
let's
say
our
other
systems
of
record,
which
are
with
let's
say
with
my
counterparty.
A
So
what
do
I
do?
Do
I
baseline
the
systems
within
my
premise
as
well,
and
then
so?
Is
it
zero
trust
like
I,
every
system
has
to
prove
to
each
other,
even
while
they
may
be
within
my
trusted
network
or
or
do
these
guys
have
some
kind
of
a
handshake
and
then
once
I
have
synchronized
between
the
systems
which
are
on
my
side,
I
then
baseline
with
my
counterparty.
F
Now
I
want
to
just
give
an
opinion
there
in
my
previous
job,
I
was
on
some
cloud
migration
projects
for
banking,
clients
and
even.
A
F
The
organization
itself
there
was
when
we
were
trying
to
get
all
the
data
from
all
of
the
departments
that
existed
to
migrate
them
to
the
cloud.
B
F
Company
and
I
think
it
wasn't,
it
wasn't
even
regarding
the
trust
it
was
regarding
just
the
more
stops.
A
point
of
data
has
the
more
places
it's
going,
the
more
at
risk.
It
is
to
security
threats
and
all
those
things.
F
So
I
think,
even
in
the
situations
where
parties
may
trust
each
other-
and
they
might
not
be
worried
about
that,
there's
always
the
security
threats
and
the
unknowns
that
could
come
within
all
the
possibilities
of
the
other
companies
they
work
with,
who
also
have
access
to
that
data,
and
so
on
so
like
once
you
let
go
of
that
data
and
you
share
it.
It's
like
everything
we
do
with
our
phones
and.
A
But
no,
but
I
think
in
the
in
the
banking
parlance
I
think
it's
also
important
to
transfer
data
at
times,
because
there
are
machine
learning
models,
for
example,
which
are
utilizing
that
data,
or
there
is
processing
happening
using
that
data
which
and
then
process
information
gets
fed
into.
Let's
say
another
downstream
system,
so
yeah
I
mean
totally
depends
on
the
use
cases.
Definitely,
but
my
question
was
more
technical.
A
C
Yeah,
so
it's
it's
a
good
question,
it's
a
complex
question
and
I
imagine
from
now
until
I
don't
know
how
long
of
the
future
we
have
to
take
it
case
by
case
right,
but
I
think
it
depends
on
you
know
what
type
of
we're
talking
more
like
an
intra-baseline
versus
an
inter-based
signing
and
again
from
the
tech
side.
I
want
to
be
like
do
it
all,
because
it
sounds
great.
I
think.
Let's
say
you,
if
you
have
your
own
data
warehouse
or
you
know,
a
lot
of
data
exchange
are
still
on
on
premises.
C
For
example,
then
it
might
make
sense
to
just
drop
one
in
easily
between
all
of
your
systems,
but
then
at
the
same
time
it's
like
well,
if
it's
only
on
premise,
then
I
I
it's
easy
to
protect
right.
So
why.
A
That
one
that
would
make
commercial
sense
because
I'll
be
spending
dollars
and
cents
on
on
baselining
each
time.
I
want
to
baseline
a
piece
of
information
so
designing.
My
internal
system
does
not
make
sense
to
me.
That's
the
commercial
side
of
it.
C
Yeah,
I
mean
I
mean
I
guess
it
would
like
marx
said
earlier,
we'll
give
you
this
kind
of
synchronization
right.
So
what
your
assumption
for
the
the
dollars
and
cents
there
is
is
based
on
what
like
type
of
ccsm,
that
you're
implementing
or
what.
A
Yeah
something
like
that
or
something
like
what
base
lecture
is
doing,
for
example,
they're,
giving
you
an
amazon
like
way
of
of
baselining
via
the
cloud
right
baselining
as
a
service.
So
so,
if
I
were
to
baseline
two
systems
within
my
within
my
premise
or
within
my
trusted
network,
I
would
I
would.
I
would
think
that
maybe
I'm
wasting
money
here.
I
would
rather
use
that
same
money
and
baseline
with
my
other
other
contracts.
E
Oh,
I
mean
if
you
sit
there
and
you
look
at
it,
I
mean
think
back
in
the
kind
of
dark
early
days
of
blockchain,
I
mean
where
everybody
was
trying
to
do
that
single
source
of
truth
within
their
enterprise
that
we
wanted
to
break
down
the
gatekeeping.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
somebody
in
warehouse
could
at
least
have
visibility
into
finance
or
and
that,
but
there
was
no
synchronization,
it
was
just
basically
everybody
had
the
same
copy
of
the
ledger
and
that's
what
everybody
wanted
to
do,
and
you
know
it's
amazing.
E
You
know
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
house
so
much
that
it
almost
seems
almost
foreign
to
us.
Now
you
know,
and
so
I'd
say
that
you
there
is
definitely
a
a
value
to
that.
E
Because
again,
it
was
one
thing
that
we
were
trying
to
achieve
way
back
when
and
but
another
you
know,
value
add
for
baseline
is,
if
you
have
that
type
of
you
know:
enterprise,
private,
permissioned,
blockchain,
solution
that
you're
starting
to
you
know
that
you've
been
working
on
and
you're
running
into
problems
as
far
as
scaling
as
far
as
covering
that
last
mile
baseline
is
a
way
that
you
can
come
in
and
salvage
a
lot
of
that,
instead
of
having
to
do
that
entire
implementation
that
more
complex,
full-fledged
blockchain,
you
know
migration,
you
know
to
where
you're
going
to
displace
certain
parts
of
the
architecture.
E
Why
not
use
the
existing
architecture
and
just
synchronize
it
together
and
be
able
to
prove
that
consistency?
So
you
have
a
root
of
trust
instead
of
that
single
source
of
truth
yeah,
you
know
so
and
we've
had
you
know
a
couple
of
people
that
were
really
interested.
You
know
in
baseline,
saying
you
know:
I've
been
working
on
this
particular
private
permission,
maybe
a
hyperledger
fabric-based
solution
and
I'm
running
into
problems
and
I'm
getting
some.
You
know
some
hard
looks
from
my
leadership
right
now.
What
can
I
do
well?
A
A
Technical
data
is
a
big
problem
everywhere.
Awesome
awesome.
Thank
you
so
much
mark.
I
think
that
that
was
a
great
perspective
guys
you
wanted
to
go
to
the
next
slide
and
talk
about
something
I
had
to
ask
my
question
earlier.
Yeah
sure.
C
This
is
the
next
slide
is
actually
like
everything.
The
content
of
this
last
discussion,
which
is
really
just
all
the
different
in
the
presentation
at
this
point,
move
on
to
all
the
all
the
different
advantages,
the
gains
that
you
would
get
in
addition
to
the
more
obvious
ones
that
we've
already
discussed
and
kind
of
beat
thoroughly
but
yeah.
You
can
see
him
here
on
the
screen
and
there's
no
way.
C
I
guess
no,
no
reason
to
really
read
all
the
about,
but
obviously
we
talked
about
synchronization
infosec,
increased
validity
and
integrity
and
so
forth.
A
Yeah,
no,
I
love
how
how
we
have
come
a
long
way
into
now
being
classified
now,
classifying
ourselves
as
as
as
more
of
a
cyber
security
protocol,
but
I
think
it's
it's
it's!
It's
really
incredible!
If
so,
if
we,
if
we,
if
we
go
and
look
at
what
other
cyber
security
protocols
do,
then
I
think
we
do
way
more
than
these
guys.
So
that
ways
we
are.
We
are
a
very
good
cyber
security
protocol
and
we
must
appeal
to
all
cios
and
c
source.
C
A
B
I
think
another
thing
too,
that
I
could
add
real
quick
about
this
is
these
are
all
attributes
of
benefits
of
baseline,
that
we
want
to
get
more
research
and
insight
into
as
well.
We
want
to
know
how
much
companies
are
spending
on
their
multi-party
workflows.
B
Right
now
I
mean
these
are
good
conjectures
about
how
baseline
could
help
out,
but
the
the
real
re
when
companies
would
really
want
to
start
sinking
their
teeth
into
it
is
when
you
can
integrate
it
with
one
implement
it
with
one
company,
and
you
can
actually
measure
how
baseline
is
is
affecting
their
their
bottom
line
from
from
thence
forth,
and
that's
one
of
the
one
of
the
bigger
things
that
we
want
to
start
looking
into,
and
at
least
before
we
can
implement
it
now.
B
We
we
want
to
start
getting
research
into
what
are
all
of
these
multi-party
workflows
that
companies
are
engaging
in
how
much
is
being
spent
on
them.
How
long
is
it
taking
to
get
these
accomplished?
How
much
remediation
are
people
really
experiencing?
What's
what's
a
reasonable
estimate
for
how
you
could
you
could
cut
that
down?
I
think
these
are
some
of
the
biggest
questions
that
we
need
to
start
solving
when
it
comes
to
commercializing
baseline,
so
that
it's
it's
very
easy
for
people
to
latch
on
to
and
and
understand,
right
away.
A
Absolutely
mark
left
at
a
at
a
wrong
time,
because
this
would
have
been
his
pitch
because
we
and
then
that's
what
that's,
what
we
are
creating
an
enablement
tank
within
the
outreach
team
to
empower
and
and
give
ammunition
to
people
who
are
who
believe
in
baseline
and
want
to
sell
it
internally
within
their
organizations
and
and
also
sort
of
make
them
join
baseline
community.
And
then,
of
course,
you
know,
there's
a
ton
of
discussion
which
is
going
on
within
the
tse
as
well
around
getting
third
parties
involved
and
getting
research
done.
A
I
think
john
also
created
a
blip
sonal.
If
I'm
not
wrong.
I
think
john
went
ahead
and
created
a
blip
for
this.
A
F
Exists:
it's
just
that
nobody
has
went
forward
to
ident
to
put
some
facts
behind
this
problem,
that's
at
hand
about
multi-party
coordination.
So
now
we
put
forward
a
blip
to
put
some
funds
towards
a
researcher
analyst
firm,
putting
together
some
reports
for
us.
A
Awesome
awesome,
so
that's
coming
soon,
folks
who
are
watching
us
today
or
maybe
in
future
on
youtube.
So
let's
come
to
our
to
our
next
section,
which
is
also
the
last
section.
Oh
you
want
to
talk
about
more.
Is
it
like
a
get
baseline,
okay,
so
get
baseline
section
is
available
on
our
website,
basel
having
protocol.org
I've
been
talking
about
it,
a
lot
that
was
like
the
super
cool
thing,
which
recently
happened
for
the
visual
community.
We
upgraded
our
website.
We
also
got
get
baseline
section.
A
I
was
just
going
to
come
to
the
backgrounds
of
of
mark
keith
and
joab.
The
way
they've
they've
shaped
up
their
their
their
involvement
with
baseline
community
and
also
now
sitting
in
baseline
labs,
so
guys
the
the
basic
question
to
all
of
you
is
what
what's
what
what?
What
was
your
level
of
understanding
of
of
blockchain
and
how
much
time
you
spent
with
blockchain
before
you
came
into
baseline,
started
actually
baseline.
B
I
would
say
the
the
engagement
with
with
blockchain
before
this
was
was
relatively
low,
but
we
we
sort
of
all
got
our
start
at
the
eath
atlanta
hackathon,
when
we,
when
we
met
the
team
and
and
before
that
we
were,
we
were
doing
learning
on
blockchain
because
we
were
interested
in
it.
B
But
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
that
channeling
john
here
baseline,
isn't
necessarily
a
blockchain
story.
It
is
a
it's
an
infosec
story,
so
when
it,
when
it
comes
to
baseline
or
implementing
baseline,
you
don't
really
need
a
lot
of
knowledge
about
blockchain
and
the
idea
when
we
are
implementing
this,
or
at
least
introducing
it
to
companies,
is
that
they
shouldn't
have
to
have
a
lot
of
information
about
blockchain
either.
D
Yeah,
I
would
say
when,
when
you
know
first
hearing
about
baseline
first
being
pitched
to
the
the
concept
as
a
whole,
it
it
can
feel
quite
overwhelming
at
the
beginning,
just
because
it
sounds
like
there's
so
much
right,
but
I
think
the
beauty
of
an
open
source
community,
like
what
we
have
here,
is
that
everything
everything
that
there
is
is
available
to
you.
You
can
go
through
the
get.
You
can
see
everything
you
can
read
all
of
the
documentation.
You
can
find
examples.
D
You
can
go
straight
into
the
code
itself
or
the
standards
themselves,
and
you
can
just
you
know.
If
you
have
the
time
you
can
read
everything,
and
just
with
that,
you
know
everything's
at
your
fingertips.
You
can
really
dive
in
it's
really
what
you
make
of
it,
how
much
you
want
to
invest
in
it,
but
but
everything's
available.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
this
is
a
solid
pitch
to
any
any
developers
who
would
like
to
join
the
core
devs
group.
First
of
all,
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
you
now
have
mentors.
You
know:
we've
been
no
more
a
cold
start.
You
now
have
over
50
people
right
in
the
core,
devs
team,
so
you
will
get
responses
to
any
any
questions
you
may
have
you.
May
you
will
get
support
on
getting
started
as
well
and,
of
course,
the
three
gentlemen
to
on
today's
call
they've
they've
they've
had
their
bit
of.
C
C
Oh
yeah
yeah,
and
especially
at
the
hackathon.
You
know
nonetheless
right
so
we
didn't
get
much
sleep
that
weekend.
D
C
Nothing
real
different
from
what
these
two
have
said.
Right
just
you
know
whatever
side
you
want
to
dig
into
business
or
technical,
you
just
kind
of
put
your
head
down
and
absorb
information,
and
you
get
there
inevitably
right
at
first,
any
anything
complex
looks
insurmountable,
but
you
know
the
the
small
bits
of
information
that
you
consume
each
day
and
the
mountain
gets
a
little
smaller
right.
B
B
On
to
that
is,
I
think,
if
you
want
a
specific
example
of,
maybe
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
experienced
when
we
were
getting
onboarded
to
baseline
is
the
is
the
zero
knowledge
aspect,
and
the
story
of
this
would
is
from
the
hackathon
when
we
were
thinking
over
our
idea.
It's
even
though
it
can
be
hard
to
think
of
really
good,
solid
use
cases
for
for
zero
knowledge
that
either
nobody's
thought
before
or
are
massively
beneficial
to
both
parties
and
business.
B
When
you
do
finally
lock
onto
that
one
example
when
you,
when
you
actually
physically
turning
that
into
code
being
familiar
with
those
zero
knowledge
circuits
how
to
construct
them,
the
libraries
like
socrates
or
narc,
it
can
be
hard
to
actually
understand
how
to
do
those
things,
because
the
the
libraries
are
hard
to
understand
at
the
outset,
and
it's
it's
a
very
math
heavy
thing
to
sink
your
teeth
into
and
keith
is
keith
is
great
at
math,
so
he
it
clicks
right
away
for
him.
A
Super
cool,
awesome
and,
and
of
course
the
the
biggest
advantage
now
is
that
we
are
also
sitting
on
another
new
and
improved
pool
of
funds
to
give
out
as
grants,
which
also
means
that
more
and
more
developers
can
come
in,
they
can
start
contributing
and
they
can
propose
new
blips
and
they
can.
They
can
get
fronts
to
work
on
those
those
things.
So
you
get
to
work
on
really
cool
stuff
and
you
also
get
paid
for
that.
A
Okay,
with
that,
I
would
like
to
wrap
up
today's
shows.
We
are
already
over
time
the
time
just
flew
past
today.
You
know
you
guys
are
so
insightful.
Thank
you
guys
once
again
and
sonal
just
one
last
bit.
Why
don't
you
give
some
give
some
community
updates
you're
you're
the
star
of
baseline.
F
Yeah,
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
I'll
focus
on
now
is
that
since
we've
had
these
three
join
the
team,
the
consensus
mesh
baseline
r
d
team,
we
since
they've
joined
we've,
been
able
to
kind
of
piece
together
anything
they
were
missing.
That
would
have
been
useful
to
learn
about
baseline
and
how
to
implement
baseline.
We
we
have
note
of
everything
and
we're
making
sure
that
we
start
creating
these
resources
for
people
going
forward
and
also
in
our
core
dev
community.
F
There's
a
wide
range
of
people,
there's
ones
who've
joined
within
the
last
few
days,
and
then
there's
people
who
are
ready
to
get
in
the
weeds
of
a
project.
So
anybody
out
there
who's
considering
joining.
We
definitely
have
a
home
for
you
and
we
will
give
our
formal
updates
on
next
wednesday
at
our
baseline
general
assembly.
And
if
you.
D
F
A
look
at
our
linkedin
or
twitter
and
we
will
add
it
to
our
website
soon.
We
have
an
ask
me
anything
form
for
any
community
members
or
people
who
have
been
following
closely
or
curious
about
baseline,
to
ask
us
any
questions
that
they
wouldn't
feel
comfortable,
asking
otherwise
about
what
we're
up
to
in
the
community.
So
yeah.
A
Yeah
and
so
so
now
we
have
so
strong
with
that
now
we
also
have
a
way
of
asking
a
question
one-on-one
right,
otherwise
it
would
have
been
in
the
slack
community
by
the
way,
any
answers.
I've
seen
any
questions
in
the
slack
community
get
answered
in
about
10
to
15
minutes.
I
think
that's
a
that's
pretty
amazing
for
for
a
community
like
ours
with
that.
Thank
you
all.
Once
again,
we
we
come
to
the
end
of
this
show.
Once
again,
this
is
simrad
signing
off,
see
you
next
thursday.