Baseline Protocol General Assemblies, 11 Jan 2023

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From YouTube: The Baseline Show :: January 2023 General Assembly

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We are excited to announce that our January 2023 General Assembly will be live-streamed on Wednesday, 1/11, at 12 PM EST, 6 PM CET and 10.30 PM IST!

This is an excellent opportunity for the larger community to stay updated on Baseline Protocol's progress across various working groups and engage with the core team.

We invite you to tune in and participate in the Q&A session at the end of the meeting. See you there!

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Updates on various working groups um on what is going on with uh the various working groups and and how we're progressing with the Baseline protocol, and just before this one, we also had our uh eea pgb meeting as well, where we were presenting the progress and I was very well received so uh on on the general assembly.

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We generally call um the various working group leaders to present uh what's going on and answer any questions from the community if they, if they have so and towards the end of the end of the discussion today, we are also going to have some open time for community members to present uh their questions and we will address them as uh as best as we can so um so yeah. Thank you. Thank you. So much once again for all of you, who've made it to the live, show.

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Thank you uh Mark and Mark, and uh Jack good to see you after after a while and you have peace, uh solo and Andrea. Thank you so much for for making it to the live show today and all of you who are watching us, live and and uh and maybe watching us in future. uh Thank you so much for tuning in so um I'm gonna get started with the with the updates by inviting over the Outreach team, uh Mark cattle, maybe even gets started on.

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As far as the the Baseline general assembly and what we want to kick off for the year.

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I mean any updates any plans, anything that you want to share with the community.

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Oh, you know right now. The big thing that we have within Outreach is: you know letting the world know that we exist. uh You know quite quite frankly to basically say this is what we're doing, and you know this is what we have learned in. uh You know our Journeys that led us here. uh You know to join Baseline.

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You know, a lot of us were uh Veterans of uh you know a blockchain and then saw you know some of the uh you know when you start asking the hard questions, we didn't have the easy answers for those and that's you know, as we started thinking more about it, that's really how they, you know, uh Baseline really as a technique, a concept as a design pattern was really um uh brought forth because we said you know hey. Why don't we start looking at this?

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You know through a different approach that everybody else is taking um and see where it can provide real practical, operational business.

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You know type value instead of uh just saying: hey, we get this really cool technique uh technology, and this is what we do with It Isn't that cool and I'm like well, you know we want to have these people that are coming in saying I, don't remember my life before I started, baselining and really what we're putting together is the messaging uh the content uh really to that end uh and we're really focusing on what's being heard, as opposed to what we're trying to say, uh because you know we're looking at different uh audiences, and you know we have the core group of the True Believers that get it and understand it and um are totally on board on it.

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It's you know we want to get these people that are kind of passively. You know somewhat maybe curious, uh but you don't want to sit there and bog it down with a bunch of you know, archaic jargon or um um uh you know, just you know new vocabulary and everything which is you know what we did with blockchain, because we were so passionate about it. I, don't think we really had the proper sight on you know when we were explaining it to other people. uh You know uh what was being heard.

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We were too focused on what we wanted to say. So that's what we are uh you know really deliberately trying to do within the Outreach team is to um you know, generate this, uh this messaging and this content. uh You know that is going to have the the best impact so that the people listening to you are going to understand it. You know, can you explain it? You know like a five-year-old or two or five.

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So that's what we are wanting to wind up doing um at the same time, we uh you know, do a reach out to anyone that wants to contribute anybody that may um uh have some experience on different use. Cases that may have been tried before we would love to have your Insight come in.

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um You know um and really share with us what what you may have learned, because it may be something that we might not have seen before. So we welcome any and all input uh from any interested party, because uh you know right now, I think a lot of the uh development and uh building of the technology gets a lot of the attention and resources right now, but uh you're getting a lot of people saying yeah. This is great, but what can it do for me and that's?

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What we want to say is this is what it's going to mean for you. So that's what we have with Outreach yeah.

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And I'll cover some some items too for outreach, so we will have some representation at East Denver coming up at the end of February. um Our team from mesh will be there um Jack, Ian and some others, and hopefully spreading the word of Baseline and the projects we're doing um in the Outreach team.

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We're also assessing the full event list in web 3, as well as outside of web 3 for the year to start getting some speaker, applications in and Target the right events, which would include like cyber security supply chain, all those things we've talked about in the past, but this year we'll use our enablement deck. We'll use some collateral from Bri 3 as we get closer to packaging that up and making that understandable.

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So looking forward to a year of Road, showing or stuff we're, also starting to pump out blogs more frequently thanks to Mark grimsa and some others, Andreas RTS C members, with our new blog requirement. We just posted one today from the recent update from unibrite and we'll have more coming out on applying Baseline to various Industries or any topic our groups find relevant or if anyone has requests or would like to write themselves. It's an open effort, we'd love to get more content out there along.

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That so we're going to do some more focused Road mapping within the Outreach team, ideally where we come up with the higher priorities for this year that we can do alongside the developers, which would include documentation for new developers how to actually use the existing examples and implementations, and things like that. So we pretty much wrapped up.

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The Outreach calls in January doing some retrospecting on how the year went, how we want to improve and looking forward to how the sessions are in the future, and we can always use more Outreach members, any skill or interest you have. We are happy to welcome you to our group. We could use designers creatives any anyone out there I think. That's that's it for me and then I can hand over to Mark R on the actual research work within the Outreach team.

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Sure I'll take it from here. The research work group is starting next Thursday. Officially uh we're going to continue to go through blip one which is outlining that um end-to-end International Supply Chain use case like I've explained on the show before the end goal of this is to create a working demo of a trustless supply chain application, which is very exciting, we're working with sap and other open source community members on it and stay tuned. Please join the work groups.

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If you're interested I sent out an email invited everybody for the year, please reach out to me or sonal. um If you would like to be included so stay tuned for that.

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Thank you um thank you, Mark and thank you so much for adding those. uh Those updates, I think I. Think the code here is to also open it up open it up. It's a sort of send out an invite out to The Wider community that you can contribute. You can write blogs. uh You can, if you identify a new use case for baselining, just bring it to us, uh we'll see how it can be converted into various blips and and blogs and combination of the tools.

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So so let's do that and uh of course everybody is welcome. As always, we need people from various skills uh to come and join the community.

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um So let's now call upon- uh and we have next research we've covered maintainers, so you have again. You have.

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um Thank you very much, um so I will cover the core Dev updates kind of specifically the uh SRI Bri 3 effort. That's been ongoing, um so a little update from the last um GA that we had in December um with the kind of late December holiday season people were on vacation.

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There were illnesses and kind of responsibilities outside of Baseline that came up within the team, so the updated estimate for Milestone three completion is now end of January things kind of slow down at the end of December, but should now pick back up that everybody's kind of back um in the swing of things.

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um So since the last GA as well, we've had two SRI PRS that were merged through the bid authentication and the authentication cleanup PRS. We spoke on those and kind of their purpose a little bit last time, um but since then they have been reviewed by the maintainers and have been uh pushed into the repo there's also been two new PRS that have been opened, um one regarding content, addressable, hashing and another regarding login command handling.

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Those two things should be reviewed reviewed within the next probably a couple days by the maintainers, and you know, barring any comments or updates, should be pushed through as well. There is a PR for the work group setup coming soon. This would be following updates being made um to what's currently in Maine in the front end to solve some metamask login things uh once that's kind of been resolved, that PR for work group setup will be found as well as far as kind of planning for what's going on currently and in the works.

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The team is discussing a proposal for the BPI messaging.

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In that discussion there have been there was the decision to make a kind of two-part plan moving forward, so the first phase of this would be um having the BPI host a net server and then all the participants would Pub sub into that and then phase two once that's complete and there's bandwidth would be to extend that, so that the BPI talks to all participants, uh Nat servers separately and the decision uh kind of thought process there is that the main, the main goal and Mantra of this Bri 3 effort is to make the most simple kind of bare bones: implementation that still satisfies the needs of Baseline.

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So the the first phase is kind of doing just that, making sure that it's still what it needs to be, and then the extension would be to improve on that in a way that would make it more kind of usable.

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uh Lastly, all of this that I've mentioned as well as everything else that's going on within the SRI Bri 3 effort can be found in a blip. There is a um a single blip that is tracking all of these things. It's got links to the Google Drive that has all of the different documentation and proposals and things that we're discussing and leaving feedback within, as well as all of the different GitHub issues both closed and open.

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That would allow anybody who wants a quick glance at kind of all of the different components, an easy place to find everything um as well. Just a shout out that we have ordev calls and meetings every other Monday that um Everybody in the community is welcome and invited to join if they would like to keep a closer track of what's going on or just kind of be more involved.

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So yeah, that's! What's going on with the core devs and the Bri 3 effort.

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Thank you of uh this is very interesting, and um so somebody somebody said food is back to me and and I I. Don't know why that example just stuck to me- and they said you know when the duck twins, you can't notice it from the surface of the water, but the actual activity is going on under the water.

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So I always feel that we we, you know the updates that we come up with, especially in the cold airs um is always you know, there's so much motion happening and thank you so much for uh you know for and in case to leave that and of course, under the overall, the overlocking guidance of Andreas. uh Thank you to all of you uh for keeping this going and I. Think the and I think that's the lifeline of of this whole initiative and which we are all contributing.

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So the kudos to that um I will now want to do standards updates. So on this, do you have any updates for us.

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Yes, so the um uh since the pgb, um in its uh um end of November meeting, has ratified the uh a procedure um for EA communities projects uh uh standards to progress from draft to, from from uh um a working group draft to uh um draft release to draft specification to project specification, uh we are now in a place to actually um go beyond the current draft release and get a draft specification um uh um approved by the pgb. For that we have to meet certain requirements.

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um The key requirement here is that will require additional work. Is um that each requirement must be testable.

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um uh Unfortunately, the pgb has not defined what testable means that is currently out um uh as a as a request for clarification to the pgb. In the meantime, um we are um uh in conjunction with the layer. Two uh standards working group um we are collaborating with Charles on trying to get um uh operational.

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Definitions are finalized of what that is, given the fact that we have way past 300 requirements, we just need to have testability statements and we have in just the core spec and since we have three standards, recent errors, documents that need to be worked on.

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This is a significant body of work that we don't really want to undertake um in one go, but want to do this iteratively, so the editors got together and decided that we're going to like work through each section, one by one and be extremely explicit as to testability and then do um PRS by sections and get that reviewed and approved such that we can um in in collaboration with with Charles from the EA um to ensure that we are, we are uh um in line in the end, um it's up to the working group to to, and then the the TSC.

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Obviously to say. Yes, this this satisfies testability and the pgb agrees. Then that's fine, um so we'll we'll have to. um We will work through that.

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The goal is to complete this effort by the end of q1 in order to get this as a as uh um to submit to the to the uh of pgb as a draft specification and get it approved, because it requires also socialization within the wider Oasis um ecosystem, and then um we want to utilize the the completion of Bri 3 and then the interrupt fast um to have the appropriate documentation completed um of at least two reference implementations.

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Such that we can promote um the specification to for project specification by the end of the year so because the standard also requires interrupt um as interop requirements.

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That needs to be demonstrated and therefore that requires at least two reference um implementations, two working reference implementations which we currently do not have, so it the the the the uh promotion to to final project specification, is contingent upon successfully completing uh the interop Fest um between uh Bri, one and uh Bri 3, and that is currently under discussion, because we need support from the community to actually execute that and so roadmap item. I'm sure. Some right. You will talk about that in more detail. As we come to the TSC updates.

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Thank you on this I think roadmap will pick up later. I mean the next the following month, when you, finally something so since since that is yet to be finalized. uh Yeah.

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You yeah, do you want me to talk a little bit about the interrupt Fest that we're yeah.

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Because that's.

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Like that's like the the major thing so um uh and and I think that we we had. This uh discuss also started discussing that during the last quarterf meeting.

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um It is incumbent upon the community, and if we don't do this, we can all go home um because a the standard will never become a full project specification and B. um We will have claims of Baseline implementations, but no proof, um because every every implementer will will claim without being able to produce a proof of compliance. So um it's a it's a it's a. It will become a circular argument at that point and the entire Community can basically go home.

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So um the the interop Fest is a what what uh would be called the Latin, a condition, uh a a condition that must be met. um Otherwise it doesn't work. um So that is uh a key.

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The key uh um activity for the year, um uh which we are currently looking into agreeing on the actual use case, um one in particular, is discussed about agreeing on currency exchange rate, um uh because that is a a significant open issue for um Erp systems which to use uh with what method and with the frequency of updates, and is there any reliable source.

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um The big problem is not one Erp system. The big problem is two Erp systems that are using two different methods and and therefore two different exchange rates. Agreeing on an invoice. For example, that is so you you get. Invoices kicked out and and processed and churning up money, because the exchange rate is wrong between US dollar and Yen, or Euro and USD right, because Oracle system in the US uses the New York uh spot rate or the the Chicago spot right and uh um the generating system uses the London spot right. Oops.

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um Probability that both are exactly the same is zero.

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um So that that's that's, so it's a it's! It's a it's! It's beyond just the Baseline um uh it.

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uh It would be a good idea to generate a you know: reliable Oracle that that produces um uh agreed upon uh um exchange rates um for multiple different types of methods, spot rate in a particular region, moving averages average for a month at a particular Point, etc, etc, so that that can be so beyond beyond that, there's there there's a wider benefit if we actually were to do that um and actually have multiple companies working on that together.

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Hence trying to get someone like sap um in to the mix as as part of the interop Fest um is is, is um is going to be important. We'll also probably could also reach out to Oracle something like that. So anyway,.

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Or or the our everyone's favorite Oracle chain link as well, the other Oracle.

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Yes, I think chain link and Erp systems is not something that goes together in one sentence.

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I have a video about that.

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Yeah no I know, but it's it's it's. The the the um the thought of of of of of uh uh an Enterprise using chain link as a data Oracle for the um USD Euro spot rate is, is, is uh borders on the outrageous um I I I.

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Think no auditor, and especially the Enterprise risk departments, will say, is like no way in hell, we'll take the Bloomberg rate and, and you guys worry about the rest, so it's like it's like it's like I've I've, been in those discussions and- and that is just it's just not gonna happen- it's like it's like, because, because that is gonna be part of the 10ks and the 10 queues of publicly traded companies, and um if you suddenly have your Oracle being investigated by the FDC for for for um uh um security violations, is not a good look um uh right, so it's like it's like it.

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It it. The source has to be considered. That's why I think this is a absolutely crucial step that that you can have large companies coming together, synchronizing on something and then and then saying look you can use this right. This is this is a this is this. Is you have five ten companies that are that are agreeing that this method is correct and using these sources where, where we're generating these rates,.

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Yeah, you know to kind of follow on to this. You know that you know you're right in that uh you know companies may prefer like a Reuters or a centralized data feed. You know for this data, but at the same time too one of the interesting things you could do. You know as we're synchronizing this data across Partners.

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um That's actually interesting data for chain link to observe right, so maybe not necessarily pulling it in as the price feed, but to contribute that data back. Is you know something? You know that you know chain link. Node operators in the ecosystem would be interested to see how how to.

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Utilize, it yeah to observe.

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It right yeah, that's I, think that's I, think that's I, think that's the more compelling it uh use there um uh as well. So it's it's a circular thing um in a sort of way right because yeah the the chain link Oracle itself is, you know designed you know. The price feeds are designed to solve a specific problem that was in smart contracts, not necessarily Enterprises.

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Correct right, but the the the bigger problem is in enterprise system is not a smart contract.

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That's that's true, yep. It's.

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It's right, so it's an ancillary benefit if chain link were to use that that that prize article but I think there is there is we're actually tackling and, incidentally, with trying to prove interop we're actually tackling a problem that no one wants to use.

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A um you know wants to spend money to utilize five different ten different price price feeds to to come up with a with a with a price so that everybody uses their own and therefore they are, by definition, um not in sync, though, um by combining and saying hey, here's a here's, an Enterprise that uses Bloomberg, here's an Enterprise that uses reuter, here's an Enterprise that that that uses the the the the uh uh you know the the what's the uh what's the London rate, um um the.

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uh Or in some cases you have a finance analyst who sits down once a week and updates it.

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Manually, yeah and and updates it manually whatever, but there's there's using using using a feed right or just Googling it. um It's it's it's actually very uh you know offering you know. 10 different price oracles um for different methods of derivation of a of a of a price um is, is probably um uh significantly better. If it's back backed up by you know several large companies that are providing those data feeds and then synchronizing them.

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So it's it's it's it's actually a a a something that is is is avoids um companies having to pay for 25 different, different different feeds, and maybe you can generate uh one that that's actually that's actually sync uh synchronized anyway, I I think now we're getting into into into um you know things that are further down the road, but I think it's an argument why this interop um use case might be able to be turned into a Federated network of large Enterprises, providing exchange rate price feeds.

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As a public good, for example,.

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And Andreas I just sent you an article. Maybe we can we can open on this later on, but uh that's about you know, pricing being fetched in one party spending the money for it and the rest of the people in the workflow using it. So how do we divide that.

F

We'll see we'll we'll figure this out, but the interrupt is is something that that can get this also larger discussion rolling and if we have something that we can demonstrate, that's probably useful for a much wider community and might be able to to generate more in um in interest in the Baseline Community than anything else.

F

So actually thank you, Ryan for actually bringing that that up, because you're you're you're the one that that I thought that um remarkable idea.

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Okay, yeah and that's that's, that's that's! That's it I'm going through it on this.

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All right, I said: that's it exclamation point: go.

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Ahead, okay I was just saying with that. We move on to the next uh section, which is uh Trends, so we're gonna invite sonal to talk about it.

C

All right so I know, we've mentioned the roadmap multiple times here, but um along with that, we do need to start our fundraising for the 2023 Grant funds. So our community members here will be tin cupping for Grants this year, so we can fund the efforts.

C

Non-Sponsors can also contribute through the open, Collective I will share the link on the YouTube chat, but basically we will have a large effort on behalf of the Outreach team, to get our funds in place, and then we will start reviewing the incoming applications as well as reposting the rfps that we actually have circulating in a few developer communities right now. So that will be one of the vital points in the next couple. Weeks is figuring out which companies we have supporting us and how we can fund our projects for the year.

C

That would be it. The one Grant we still have in progress from 2022 is the Bri 3 work as mentioned, and hopefully we'll have that paid out in the first half this year as the work nears completion.

C

That is it for me.

A

Thank you. Thank you so much um and yeah. We all we all will get together and make sure that this is this endeavor of selecting transitive success.

A

um The route map I think uh this is something which you can park for the next time, which is uh because next week, we're all going to finalize it within the TSC and then we can present it on the next month. uh General Assembly and the next working group is collaborations with some new working group with other standard bodies. So um this is something which I'm I'm going to be deeply immersion and Andreas and others uh supporting it.

A

So um this is something which we intend to kick off after we finalize the the road map and you know, sort of reaching out to the right projects where we can collaborate, but if at all, anybody in the in in on this call or anybody watching us, if you have any ideas on whom we can collaborate with, uh please do reach out to us, do send us an email or a message on stack about uh which which projects do you think, are best suited for us, and we will explore that collaboration.

A

So so that's something which I would say we are taking it uh slow for now, so this this month we don't have an update on collaboration, um any any words.

C

Yeah I think a main point too, is that these collaborations will ideally be with various sdos standards.

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Organizations, um because these.

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Exactly an oasis itself has several standards that we hope to get.

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In touch with and bring on in future shows.

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C

But there's Mobility consortiums, there's standards around all sorts of Industries and consortiums I think starting to enter those spaces and explain the Baseline protocol and how it can be leveraged alongside their standards is our goal here.

A

Right right, you know, I've said that before and I would say that again, you know why this this working group is really important. I came to Oasis uh via cyber security, Center and then I discovered. You know, there's Baseline going on, and this is extremely interesting and something similar to what I want to do in myself, so so yeah. This is uh I hope that we will find a lot of books uh where we can, you know, find use cases, implementations and collaboration Etc via this working group.

A

So yeah, uh let's see you know, I can just say about three: let's see if we read something really interesting, the next one is on articles and blog posts. So uh we have a schedule, decided I. Think we've already spoken about that.

A

um There's a new blog post, which came out uh via one of our um one of our community members, I, would say, and not sponsors anymore, but uh it's called Universe one. So they published invite once it's a platform I'm here to explore details on what what they've done and I would invite somebody uh from the from the company if they would want to come in and demonstrate it for the for the larger community, um but yeah there is. uh There are three blocks coming soon: there's the key evm blog coming soon um so yeah.

A

This is uh this. This series is turning out to be very interesting and I'm myself personally inspired to write it more than what I've just volunteered for so um so yeah this this this year is going to have at least let's say, 12 to 15, blog uh blog post. So there's no, no shortage of content for people to pick up really interesting comments and- and you know add comments and questions uh for us.

A

um So that's that's I, think that's all for the agenda! uh For today we we now can open the floor for open discussion and we have some two. uh We have. We have couple of uh people, long lost people who've shown up today with Jack and Ian and uh and yeah. So, let's, let's, let's uh check the pulse. Let's see what's happening, what's what are you up to Guys these days.

I

uh Lots of zero knowledge development. um You know we're uh still working on um the battleships use case uh to demonstrate different proving systems.

I

um You can talk about um how uh there's now Aztec Noir, um which can uh be shown off for I, think it's very close to being Baseline so um and Halo 2 um and then moving into um 2023. We're uh really excited to be working on recursion and uh well. I!

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Guess we're kind of waiting for we're we're not the ones building recursion, um but with uh recursion in various different proving schemes um taking that and uh iterating on what we've built to finally get uh State channels going um so yeah that'll that'll be uh very interesting. We're really looking forward to um taking that and uh throwing that at a bunch of different real world use cases once it's proven.

I

But otherwise you know um we're just uh you know: advancing zero knowledge um repositories and um educational uh resources, I suppose um in in the meantime, so um yeah I, guess Ian. If you want to talk a little more quickly about Aztec Noir, because um there's now I I know the to quote: Andreas I think the tool to trade is is circom.

I

um Noir is another uh very interesting, opportun or I. Guess a SDK! That's out there uh DSL um for accomplishing these things so.

J

Yeah definitely um I'm gonna link the site, real, quick because I don't want. Our past calls we've always linked battleships.com and it's never worked. But now we actually have um battleships Noir hooked up there right now, so you actually be able to play for once um and we should have the circum version working up. um You know within a week or so, but right now we have a working version, so we just linked it to that site, um but.

A

Yeah I should give us in five minutes a. What can you show it to us in five minutes.

J

uh Yeah Jack: do you want to play a game sure.

F

Why you're getting it up um uh Ian? Can you can you? Can you tell so it's like I I, don't think you know a lot of the the viewers have understand like the differences between like domain specific languages, for a circuit uh for circuit creation.

F

So if you could do that in in in 60 seconds and then talk a little bit about Noir sort of like the pros and cons that that you've encountered while while uh while using it, because there are others out there like Cairo or zinc and stuff like that, so it's it's it's it's interesting to to to look at that.

J

Yeah yeah for sure, hey, I, think Jax could have show off the game, um so I'll go and explain why we should set up, but.

I

J

Thought, okay, I'll share my screen. Sorry I thought you said you were gonna host it um yeah, so I'm not I, wouldn't consider myself the most qualified to compare between zkevm but DSL, but um a ZK DSL just kind of lets. You um write general purpose, your knowledge proofs that you could then uh deploy to you know a network of your choice.

J

Pretty much is kind of chain agnostic, um so it provides a lot more flexibility for actually running proofs in a zika evm, um but to compare Noir to other ones like um zocrates or circum.

J

um You know, sir, comes the only other one I've really played with, but I'd say Noir does a great job of um Gary I gotta talk and set up the game up myself. uh Noir does a great job of abstracting away a lot of the complexity um for writing proofs, whereas circum is something a bit lower level, you're kind of actually having to take into consideration. You Know, You're, Building, you're, almost building out the circuit and like it's kind of comparable to um you, know the underlying uh cryptography.

J

uh The word does a great job of abstracting away from that and it's much more uh familiar to. Actually writing code as a developer would not so so much um incorporating that thought into the cryptography, um so hopefully that that makes sense.

F

Yeah I remember writing circuits um uh for the brightenburg library and C plus plus, and that's that's I, guess that's it. That is well I mean that's! That's if you're using the athletic breitenberg Library. That's that's what you need to do and that allows you to do recursive proofs, but that is a that is a that is a huge pain in the um in the rear um yeah. But it's it's it's um because it requires you to to also manage proof carrying data which tends to be fairly large so that that's a that's an interesting.

F

That's actually an an interesting uh of thing that that you need to to to think about and uh when you actually want to implement recursive proofs and especially if you need to keep around the proof carrying data or whether you can dump it.

F

um So it's it's a interesting type technology questions. Once you start to look under the hood and- and uh you know people just want to use it, but there's actually some some fascinating um uh um engineering challenges when it comes to that.

J

How many times a week do we have to play battleships? uh Probably once every few months is the way it's been but um yeah? How was the uh did? You start a game already.

I

It wasn't, it was saying uh you're already in a game. I was not able to get into it. So I, just you know, try one more.

J

um That'd be really convenient if it stopped working once we're on this call again, I'll be convenient promise. It was working a week ago for a few days ago.

I

Yeah, this is where I was getting lost. I.

E

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H

Deck demos, man.

I

No that's gorley faucet.

I

Yeah, it's not it's not showing in the open games.

J

um Trying to think.

A

J

Were some crypto.

A

News in the meanwhile.

C

Tell us the news Samurai, what's new.

A

I, don't know um yeah it's just this is the I think uh today, when I met met a lot of people, largely people are just talking about. Oh, you know, this is a new and you know it's interesting and I. I probably can't talk about it. So it's a platform called Panthers dot IO, so they they like.

A

Nft platform in Southeast Asia and the unique thing about this this place is that they've they've got so many Regional cultural. You know variations, um you know in other languages liking Etc that they say that they've got most of the artists on board, which is a huge claim. So I meant to see you today at an event, and that was pretty interesting and, and they say that yeah you know forget about the price of the of the of the cryptocurrencies in the market where it is heading.

A

What is important is that the artists are, you know the artists keep coming on board and they keep uh publishing their work on the platform. I did not lost they're, not lost the Trust on the space and they're not lost just on that uh overall model.

A

Maybe uh you know, while you're bringing this up. uh Secondly- and we can talk about Ryan Ryan, what you're, up to these days.

H

Oh wow, they are some exciting things going on I provide um and maybe some things are exciting. I can't share yet, uh but uh what I can share is all about shuttle. uh So you know shuttle is available to to today uh and you know using it as a low code designer to you know compose you know: zero knowledge into different circumstances. uh This is something I'll I'll be showcasing more about and I know for me personally, I come from an sap background and I build things.

H

You know in the sap context around Baseline, but uh what what you'll come around and see very soon is you know some more education and Hands-On resources for any kind of developer to utilize shuttle? uh And you know that's a really easy access point. You know to bra one right, there's a programmatic way of you know getting into VR1 with the CLI and running the stack. But uh what's really great is when you're when you're using shuttle, uh you know all of the the Baseline services and Associated components, they're all publicly hosted on provide.services right.

H

So that's a commercially supported uh infrastructure. That's there, but of course the the rest of the stack. You know through prvd is open source, so uh as an organization, if you want to run that yourself, um that's uh that's that's up to you. If you want to go through a service provider, we have resources for that as well. But uh as we mentioned, you know one of the the things we're looking at. You know here at Baseline.

H

You know, just you know across you know an interop level was you know, looking at that price feeds example of you know, you know developing a business use case and I'm looking forward to you know working with Outreach team this year, in terms of you know really putting together like really solid, like business use cases that you know you know, entice, entice, executive entice CIO owes to not just come to Baseline just for the novelty sake of web3, but they have that they come to us, for you know, solve real business problems, foreign.

A

I've seen these guys grow uh since about two years now, they've presented at various forums and um and the founders are I mean I, think they're at their at their second or third startup. Where they've had successful like this in the past, so cool.

D

A

To look out for sure, and that would be one in fact we had one of the co-founders on one of our Baseline India shows Once I. Remember that awesome, uh so yeah cool stuff is happening. I'm, I'm least bothered about the uh market prices right now. uh Of course, the larger output do does matter. uh You know and depends on you know what what one's portfolio looks like, but uh but yeah these These are interesting times.

A

Okay, so I think we threw the agenda I'm. Sorry Iran! You were saying something: oh.

H

I would just say you know, like you know, this time, time of the world. You know it's where your grit really shows through and you go through. The Crucible and you you come out at you know a more refined, You, Know, Better Built. You know project or or person, regardless of the price. You know and and you see the you know, prices go up and down your portfolio or your life and then you realize you're, not the numbers on the screen.

H

You know you're entirely something else valuable to the world, regardless of what those numbers are. So that's that's my that's my Mr Rogers moment for of the day for for all y'all today. So.

A

I think that's all for me, you know in this particular cycle is changing because previous Cycles, what I used to see is generally. This is my observation. But prices used to be like a leading indicator. I mean price is going up down.

A

um Developers locking in you know to certain projects just because the prices went up Suddenly. So uh that is not happening these days and people are more focused on Tech Etc and the team backing it Etc. So so really glad you know that is happening. You know, that's that's got like widespread option of these Concepts uh cool. So so that's it I! Think from from our side, Ignacio you want to bring in your perspectives anything that you you're excited about, particularly working on these days.

G

um Now I think Kim I mean I, I, I I think I would like to get back. You know at some point of time to to um Baseline in iot devices right um I think we we started um on that given field of discussion um in the in their uh previous call um and um I think um that that part is to your specialist gonna have a lot of data uh uh volume and um how we can how we can handle that um at the same time you get that across.

G

um You know multiple parties right um on a safely manner. So the the that's, the part because I think um uh Baseline has uh um a great um capability for privacy, but there's a huge promising value on the security side yeah.

G

So if we can, if we can get a bit of you know a time focus on that. That will be really helpful.

A

Cool um so yeah, so a little happy to hear from you in future on who all are going to eat Denver and what are we presenting? And you know any ideas that we could all group together around um happy to contribute there and.

E

A

That brings us to the end of today's show. Thank you all for tuning in and and and you know, with all those Zeal and and the updates. uh Maybe we will meet Jack and Ian in the future, show uh to see the to see the demo that we missed today. um It happens all the time. You know, don't really don't really bother.

A

So uh thank you all once again for for tuning in to the Baseline general assembly of January 2023, uh we'll see you next week uh on the Baseline show with a very interesting speaker, uh a veteran of the industry and also uh co-creator of the security Center for ethereum, uh okay watch out for the announcement. Thank you.