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From YouTube: The Baseline Show: With guest Kyle Thomas (Provide)
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A
A
Hey
everybody
here
we
are
another
fine
wednesday
at
the
baseline.
It's
good
to
see
everybody
and
I'm
gonna
turn
off
my.
I
always
forget
to
do
that.
I
always
forget
to
turn
off
my
the
the
youtube
stream.
So
it's
good
to
see
everybody
we've
got.
We
got
kyle
thomas.
We
got
nick
criticos,
we
got
mark
cattle,
sonal
patel
as
always
jack
leahy
andreas,
dr
andreas
freund,
manny,
jane
the
ever
present
and
awesome
and
not
to
rajan.
A
With
the
coolest
background
of
all
time,
it's
good
to
see
everybody.
It's
been
a
busy
busy
busy
january
lots
to
talk
about
kyle.
I
think
you've
got
some
stuff
to
talk
about
which
is
very
cool.
Nick,
are
you?
Are
you
telling
anything
about
your
fancy
thing?
That's
happening.
A
B
We're
period
folks.
A
Yeah,
all
right
and
and
I've
got
a
pretty
big
announcement
as
well,
so
I
I
will
lead
off
with
that.
If
you've
been
on
watching
twitter
or
linkedin,
you'll
will
know
that
we,
the
mesh
consensus
mesh
just
put
in
50
000
into
the
grant
program
for
for
the
baseline
program
protocol
grants
program,
and
I
want
to
shout
out
to
sonal.
A
So
we're
very
grateful
to
you
for
that,
and
I
think
the
whole
community
is
a
big
fan
of
yours
at
this
point
and
yeah
we
wouldn't
have
put
the
money
in
if
it
hadn't
been,
for
you
also,
of
course,
thanks
to
the
ethereum
foundation
for
believing
us
last
year
when
it
was
still
early
and
putting
100
grand
in
and
they
are
confirmed
to
match
the
50
that
we
put
in
so
that'll
top
us
up,
although
I
don't
have
confirmation
of
the
date
that
they
will
put
that
money
in
and
there's
more
to
come
there.
A
This
was
just
our
january
contribution.
There's
there's
a
month
where
I've
got
more
more
in
the
budget
to
spend
on
people
doing
baseline
work.
So
that's
that's
my
announcement.
Happy
january,
everybody
kyle!
You
want
to
hop
right
in
yet
I
think
you
have
some
stuff
to
talk
about
right.
C
Yeah
sure-
and
that's
that's
it's
great
news-
it's
exciting
for
the
community
and
glad
to
see
another
year
of
baselining
get
underway.
C
Definitely
a
good
update
to
share
on
my
end
today,
we're
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
baseline
standards,
implementation,
the
one
that's
been
closed
sourced
to
this
point,
but
is
about
to
become
a
public
good
or
that's.
The
idea
is
to
donate
it
to
the
public.
For
for
that
it
could
become
a
public
good.
I'm
going
to
give
a
quick
update
on
the
kona
project.
I
know
everyone
you
know
is,
you
know,
wants
to
see
that
thing
blossom.
So
I'm
going
to
give
an
update
there,
hey.
A
Could
you
could
you
clarify
for
for
folks
when
you
say
baseline
standards,
implementation?
Are
you
saying
a
baseline.
C
C
I
didn't
I
didn't
really
state
that
very
clearly
the
our
our
implementation
of
the
baseline
standard,
the
api,
the
one.
That's
that
the
standard,
the
the
standards
repo
the
standards,
work
that
we
that
we've,
that
we've
that
we've
published
with
with
oasis
or
you
know
as
that
that
draft
standard
specification
is
based
on
well.
A
Based
on
the
draft
standard
specification,
got
it
in
the
basement.
C
Yeah
that
api
that
api,
the
swagger
api,
that
the
standard
embodies
we
have
an
implementation
of
you
know-
that's
been
closed
source
for
for
for
a
year,
essentially.
C
Yeah
it'll
be
it'll,
be
within
a
matter
of
days.
Finally,
that
we
were
able
to
publish
that
or
release
that
openly
and
yeah
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
like
I
said,
we'll
give
an
update
on
kona
as
part
of
the
also
talk
briefly
a
little
bit
about
blip10,
which
is
remember
back
when
we
did
the
init
core
right.
John,
I'm
sure
you
do
there
were
some
blood,
sweat
and
tears
that
went
into
the
init
core
branch,
but
now
we
have
an
upgrade
core.
C
Well,
it's
been
it's
been
12
months
in
the
making.
I
think
now
that
we'll
so
we'll
just
sort
of
turn
flip
the
switch
on
that
one
okay,
yeah
and
then
talk
a
bit
about
the
oasis,
provide
open
project
which
is
sister
to
eea
community
projects.
C
We've
signed
a
an
agreement
with
oasis
and
paid
the
sponsorship
fee
for
that
project
have
some
organizations
that
are
that
are
going
to
be
joining
the
pgb
for
that,
and
what
that
is
is
really
meant
to
be
the
place
where
the
technology
that
we've
built
to
provide
can
become
bigger
than
provide,
and
while
we
continue
our
work
on
the
baseline
with
eea
community
projects
and
our
work
with
with
baseline
in
terms
of
the
standard
that
so,
of
course,
we'll
continue
to
work
with
the
community
on
the
baseline
repos
in
the
baseline
standard,
but
that
that
provide
oasis
the
oasis,
provide
open
project
is
meant
to
be
a
commercial.
C
A
Step,
hey,
let
me
ask
you
kyle
why
what
what
made
you
decide
on
oasis
other
than
maybe
it
was
just
because
we
were
familiar
and
we
liked.
A
Did
you
have
any
thought
about?
You
know
typically
folks.
C
I
think
it
it's
definitely
familiarity
is
one
was
one
aspect
you
know
yeah,
and
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
to
be
a
sort
of
a
sister
project
to
eea,
open
projects
just
that
and
that
sort
of
keeping
it
sort
of
in
the
family
there
with
oasis,
made
a
lot
of
sense.
You
know
back
in
eat
atlanta,
we
open
sourced
all
the
repos,
but
it
you
know
didn't.
We
didn't
really
have
that
that
overarching.
C
You
know,
charter
that
I
think
we
needed
to
really
get
traction
in
the
right
manner.
It
also
was
still
very
much
owned
and
operated
by
provide,
and
so
I
think
there
there
was
some
you
know,
plus
you
know
how,
with
all
the
stuff
that
we're
doing
it,
provide
it's
really.
It's
really
good
to
you
know
enlist
the
help
of
the
pros
at
oasis.
You
know
to
help
us
with
the
governance
getting
that
governance
structure
off
the
ground,
and
on
that
note
you
know.
C
One
other
thing
to
talk
about
today
is
provide
network,
obviously
that
we've
we've
released
a
rather
controversial
0.9
version
of
a
white
paper
and
we've
been
we've
actually
acted
on
that.
That
paper
describes
a
governance
token
for
provide
network
that
that
acts,
hand
in
hand
with
ubt
as
a
gas
token
to.
A
I've
been
curious
about
that.
How
does
it,
how
does
it
work
hand
in
glove
with
ubt?
So
do
I
want
to
buy
tokens
to
do
something.
C
Specific,
you
can't
buy
provide
token
you
have
to
so
there's,
not
a
public
offering
or
sale
provided
token.
Obviously
we're
in
the
united
states
for
regulatory
reasons
we
we
were
very
opposed
to
like
having
a
public
sale.
On
the
provide
token,
it's
actually
a
really
interesting
governance
structure.
You
know
that
that
that
actually
will
will
be
described
and
it
be
optionally,
accessible
by
way
of
the
oasis
charter
as
well,
so
very
interesting
way
to
combine
the
crypto
community
with
the
oasis
charter.
C
Community
yeah
yeah,
so
what
you
have
there
is
the
ability
for
organizations
like
kona
and
others
to
join
and
own
the
code
base,
but
also
have
a
have
a
fair
and
equitable
stake.
You
know
mistakes,
probably
a
loaded
word
there.
I
don't
mean
it
in
the
sense
of
staking
but
have
an
equitable
way
to
govern
the
network
they're
using
so
that
the
crypto
community,
who,
if
you
think
about
it,
the
crypto
community,
doesn't
necessarily
have
the
same
incentives
that
the
enterprise
you
know
organic
community
does.
C
So,
when
you
think
about
like
a
public
good
on
the
blockchain
and
you
think
of
organizations
like
kona
that
are
looking
in
all
the
others.
You
know
in
the
global
2000
they're
looking
to
leverage
these
these
new,
this
new,
this
new
web
3,
you
know
or
d
web
movement,
because
the
la
the
incentive
alignment
is
off.
C
If
you,
just
if
you
have
a
bunch
of
folks
in
the
crypto
community,
running
nodes
on
the
network-
and
you
have
these
initial
early
adopting
organizations
because
the
incentives
are
disaligned,
you
know
you
don't
really
have
a
it's
very
risky
for
organizations
to
do
to
adopt
it,
and
so
the
idea
of
the
provide
token-
and
you
know
the
reason
we
introduced
it-
it
really
truly
was
the
vision
that
we
we
had
always
had.
C
You
know
that
we
talked
about
you
know
over
the
past
year,
just
it
needed
to
be
implemented
in
this
way
and
so
yeah.
So
the
oasis
charter
will,
which
will
be
public.
B
C
And
very
soon,
where
we
have
a
meeting
with
them
friday
to
sort
of
review,
so
hopefully
next
week
we'll
be
able
to
release
the
charter,
but
you'll
see
that
it
outlines
how
organizations
that
are
sponsoring
that
that
project
receive
sort
of
not
not
receive
tokens,
but
within
on
the
blockchain
which
an
upgradable
contract
suite
has
actually
been
deployed
on
the
public
ethereum
on
mainnet
on
public
ethereum,
you'll
see
you'll
sort
of
see
how
organizations
that
are
sponsoring
that
project
perceive
locked,
provide
tokens
that
stay
in
in
the
governance
contract.
C
And
then
you
know
one
of
the
core
contracts
that
handles
the
vote.
The
voting
mechanism
allows
the
those
provide
tokens
that
are
locked
in
that
contract
to
have
a
representative
voice.
You
know
half
the
half
the
voice
on
the
network.
So
if
you
have,
you
know
anything,
it's
also
sort
of
nice.
C
C
You
can
it's
just
the
rc20
token
yeah
you
just
there.
C
There's
there's:
no,
there
was
just
no
public
offering
and
sale
on
the
token
now
what's
interesting
is
we've
had
44
validators
sign
up
for
basically
purchase
a
license,
so
the
network's
permissions?
It's
the
you
know.
We
expect
thousands
of
validators
eventually
to
be
on
the
network
and.
C
Actually
so
it's
it's,
it's
not
an
l2,
it's
more
like
an
l3
or
we're
calling
it
the
base
layer,
because
l3
is
still
sort
of
the
term.
That's
coming
to
life,
but
it's.
A
B
C
You
know,
if
you
think
about,
if
you
think
about
the
provide
stack
right
and
and
the
goal
for
the
this
base
layer
what
it,
what
what
provide,
what
our
stack
does,
is
it
it
takes,
and
it
basically
exposes
this
privacy
api
so
that
developers
can
enterprise
developers
can
generate
easily
generated
proofs
and
store
those
proofs.
Those
recursive
snark
proofs
in
our.
D
C
Privacy
service
now,
when
you
add
a
consensus
mechanism
to
that,
and
you
distribute
it
to
all
of
the
organizations
and
and
validators
that
are
running
this
stack,
you
can
then
let
the
validators
who
are
witnessing
all
of
the
all
of
these
proofs
and
storing
them
in
the
provide
privacy
service,
which
is
also
because
you
know
part
of
that
public
good
contribution
here
to
the
oasis
project
that
we
that
we're
sponsoring.
You
really
start
to
see.
C
Oh
that's
just
a
base
layer
and
these
validators
can
become
spoolers,
essentially
they're
like
print
spoolers
for
zk
roll-up
bruce,
and
you
know
those
those
proofs
are
going
to
be
deposited
on
polygon
and
then
they're
also
spoolers
for
zkz
roll
approves
in
you
know.
In
the
case
where
you
know
such
proofs
need
to
be
deposited
on
maintenance.
A
Problem
set
exactly
but
okay.
C
A
C
C
The
merkle
tree,
the
regulatory
is
on
the
tree
to
the
main
net.
Well,
the
merkle
tree
is
already
there
right.
The
merkle
tree
is
being
stored
and
provide
privacy
on
the
base
layer.
I'm
layered
call
it
layer
three
and
call
that
the
base
layer
call
it
the
provide
stack.
It's
already
there.
It's
it's
the
provide
stack
john.
A
A
What,
if
you
were
just
doing
digital
signatures
on
hashes,
you
know
just
just
for
consistency
proofs
rather
than
like
trying
to
prove
an
attribute
of
some
kind
of
information.
Well,.
C
You
need
it's
the
same
problem
right,
you
just
you
still
it's
the
same
exact
problem,
you
deposit
the
proofs
in
the
same
manner.
They
go
yeah.
It's
the
same
exact
thing,
yeah.
B
C
It's
it's
it's
the
vision,
sort
of
sort
of
realized.
You
know
it
and
it's
exciting
because
we're
bringing
that
to
to
these
organizations
we've
been
working
with
you
know
as
a
result
of
the
baseline
baseline
community
and
we've
been
working
very
closely
with
circle
daily
on
the
cone
implementation
of
our
stack
with
sap.
C
That's
really
been
building
on
that
that
that
currently
private,
but
very
soon
to
be
open-sourced
implementation
of
the
standard
and
all
of
that
play
like
fits
nicely
into
this
network
model
which
you
as
an
organization,
you
don't
have
to
run
the
consensus
mechanism
that
that
distributes
these
proofs
that
are
being
stored
in
privacy,
but
you
can-
and
if
you
do,
then
you
can,
you
know
essentially
pay
the
gas
pay
right
now,
there's
there's
a
contract
where
you
can
acquire
a
license
to
validate
the
network
and
run
that
consensus,
client
and
you
pay
you
pay
right
now.
C
You
pay
you
pay
uvt,
also
for
for
interacting
with
the
stack
to
generate
what
I
call
naked
proofs,
which
are
recursive
snark
proofs
that
go
into
provide
privacy,
so
you
still
do
have
to
to
pay
that
pay
that
ubt
for
that,
and
so
there's
there's
a
real
synergy
there
between
all
the
tokens,
and
I
think
that
this
architecture
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
excited
to
roll
out
the
the
suite
of
contracts
that
we've
been
working
on,
which
is
you
know
it's
the
standard
set
you
that
you
might
expect,
but,
like
there's,
a
governance
contract,
a
set
of
network
parameters
that
are
a
set
of
which
are
described
in
that
first,
the
first
version
of
that
paper.
C
There's
a
rewards
contract,
you
can,
you
know,
see
if
there's
a
there's
a
staking
contract
that
supports
staking
the
the
the
provide
token
and
the
ubt.
What's
interesting.
You
know
and
there's
also.
C
And
validator
licensing
license
contracts.
The
interesting
part
about
staking
on
this
in
this
model,
though,
is
instead
of
sharing
the
rewards,
like
the
the
ubt
rewards
like
for
both
blocks
and
for
staking,
because
you
earn
provide
token
for
blocks,
we
can
take
all
of
the
ubt
staking
all
the
ubt
rewards
that
are
that
are
available
and
pay
all
of
those
for
staking
rewards.
C
So
it's
really
you
get
there's
a
lot
more
opportunity
to
earn
more
staking
rewards
more
faster
on
our
model
in
this
model,
rather
than
has
been
previously
described
so
super
excited
to.
We
didn't.
A
C
Yeah,
so
basically
we're
not
sharing
ubt
rewards
for
blocks
because
there's
a
there's,
a
governance,
token
that's
earned
for
those
rewards
and
so
we're
not
diluting.
B
C
Oh
sure
I
mean
I
think
that
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
have
a
have
a
dedicated
gas,
a
dedicated
gas
token.
That's
accounted
for
on
this
layer.
This
base.
A
Sold
governance
token
yeah.
C
E
E
That
is
exactly
it's
a
governance
token,
as
the
name
says
right,
it's
not
a
it's,
not
an
investment
object
as
as,
as
as
many
are
using
it
for
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
basically
another
ico
that
you
just
slapped
a
new
name
on
and
and
and
and
the
the
really
interesting
thing
is
because
you're
you're
you're
you're,
even
though
the
network
is
permissionless,
quote-unquote
right,
it's
it's
you
you
will
you.
You
have
all
the
proofs
then
on
chain.
E
So
if
you
want
to
use
the
asset
and
let's
say
a
permissioned,
a
permissioned
asset
pool,
looking
at
you
nick
criticos,
I
heard.
E
You
want
to
you
can
have
an
auditor
in
the
in
on
the
permissioning
to
to
to
then
just
validate
the
validate
the
proofs,
because
they're
unchanged,
the
entire
history
of
it
without
violating
privacy,
and
you
can
now
use
them
in
in
those
permission
pools,
even
even
though
that
that
acid
might
not
have
been
born
on
ethereum.
It
might
have
been
born
on
on
on
on
the
layer
3.
E
That
is
then
using
the
layer
2
for
for
for
for
anchoring,
so
that
that
is
actually
that
actually
allows
enterprises
to
let's
take
onix,
for
example,
for
a
concrete
example.
Let's
say
you
have
assets
on
onix
right
that
you
can't
really
do
anything
with,
except
on
onyx
right
and
that
you
know
a
lot
of
banks
are
happy
with
that.
E
But
if
you
have,
if
you
have,
if
you
have,
if
you
have
like
institutional
investors,
that
are
that
are
doing
that
and
there's
like
well
there's
a
really
interesting
asset
back
security
over
there
right,
but
we
can't
get
to
it,
because
if
it's
it's
outside
onyx,
then
onyx
can
say
no
problem
right.
It's
like,
let's,
let's,
let's
create
the
create
the
create
the
create
the
proofs.
You
know
it's
like
baseline.
B
B
E
B
B
A
C
E
Yeah,
so
we
we
have
maxed
out
ignition
and
and
with
with
at
25
recursive
steps
and
with
a
relatively
simple
circuit.
So
it's
like
it's
like
for
more
complex
circuits,
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna
max
that
out
significantly
earlier.
E
So
you
know
we
actually
one
of
the
topics
that
would
be
interesting
to
discuss
probably
later
on
in
the
year
is
sort
of
like
new
community
trusted
setups
that
are
significantly
larger
than
ignition
in
order
to
leave
room
for
very
long
supply
chains,
for
example,
or
very
long
histories
of
of
asset
trend
transactions.
A
E
A
So
for
folks,
who
don't
know,
andreas
fry
and
dr
andre's
fine
is
is
the
convener
and
I
think
we
decided
you're
the
convener
and
and
obviously
potentially
the
chair
of
the
l2
standards
body,
that's
being
formed
at
the
ea,
open
standard
or
open
community.
A
E
Yes,
it
has
been
formed
where
we
have.
We
no
longer.
E
E
We
have
a,
we
have
a
repo
that
is
completely
barren,
yet
I
hope
to
to
to
get
that
populated
today
or
latest
tomorrow
with
some
with
some
interesting
stuff.
We
have
now
a
a
list
of
of
initial
work
items:
three
they're
very
interesting,
raising
going
from
business
requirements
for
digital
assets,
with
residuals
to
pre-compiles
for
for
for
ck,
roll-up,
onboarding
and
privacy
requirements
that
do
not
compromise
security
for
l2,
so
that
that's
that's.
E
A
A
C
The
principling
analogy
is
catching
fire
today,
but.
B
B
E
D
A
A
Of
my
favorite
songs,
they
would
actually
like
stupidly
like
expose.
Do
you
want
the
cups
version
of
the
interface
for
this
printer
and
people
like
what's
cops,
yeah.
E
Anyway,
it's
it's
it's.
There
are
many
of
those
of
those
bizarre
stories
yeah,
so
so
so
we're
we're
we're
up
and
running
with
work
items.
Please
join
everybody
participate
you
just
need
to
to.
If,
if
your
organization
wants
to
participate,
you
just
need
to
do
a
pr
to
the
con
contributor
file
and
sign
the
icla
or
if
your
organization
is
not
in
yet
the
ecla
and
then
we're
up
and
running.
C
Yep
and
also
to
add
to
that
note,
anyone
who's
interested
in
becoming
a
a
sponsor
of
the
provide
open
project
that
we'll
be
launching
soon
stay
tuned
for
the
charter,
we'll
be
sharing
that
publicly
next
week.
At
some
point,
probably
thanks
for
the
the
time
today,
john.
A
I
don't
know
it's
great
to
hear
about
what
you
guys
are
doing
and
any
any
announcements
on
any
of
your
commercial
projects.
Can
we
make
some
news
today
or
not
today?
I
feel
like
one
of
those
prying
reporters
like.
C
Yeah,
no,
I
I
think
there's
some
some
really
excellent
progress.
That's
coming
with
kona
that
will
be
publicly
shared
soon.
Like
I
said,
we've
been
working
very
closely
with
circle
on
the
daily
literally
daily
to
to
push
that
thing
into
into
into
prime
time
so
yeah,
it's
exciting,
q1
in
store
for
sure.
B
You
you
may
have
seen
the
real
world
asset
market
on
ave
went
live
right
around
the
new
year.
B
There's
an
interesting
use
case,
coming
probably
in
the
q2
time
frame
that
will
be
leveraging
the
baseline
pattern
to
bring
more
real
world
assets
into
the
default
community.
So
can't
talk
about
it
more
than
that,
but
we'll
definitely
be
talking
to
you
offline
so
and
when
we
can
talk
about
it
publicly,
we
will.
A
Very
cool
sonal,
I
know
you've
you've
got
a
bit
of
a
sore
throat,
I
don't
want,
but
what?
What
do
we
have
on
deck
for
and
stuff
goings
on
about
the
baseline
protocol?
We've
got
pretty
pretty
sizable
core
dev
team
now,
and
I
think
with
I
I
will.
I
will
say
this
with
the
with
the
new
money
and
the
grants
program.
A
If
you're
out
there
listening
and
you've
got
skills.
There's
money
to
be
made
by
getting
on
all
you
have
to
do
is:
go
I'll,
actually
show
up
the
the
place
to
go
or
blip
repo.
So
you
go
there
and
you
can
propose
a
blip,
that's
a
baseline
improvement
proposal
or
you
can
respond
to
one
that's
already
out
there
we're
going
to
be
cooking
up
a
bunch
of
them.
You
know
small
and
large.
I
know
for
one
I'd
like
to
do
a
blip
on
the
battleship
game
that
has
been
put
out.
A
F
Yeah
so
there's
a
few
big
things
in
the
work
right
now
from
the
outreach
team,
we're
working
on
getting
our
website
redone
and
based
on
a
decision
that
was
made
by
the
community.
I
think
we'll
be
ready
to
launch
the
new
website
towards
the
end
of
this
month,
our
first
week
of
february,
which
will
be
super
exciting,
and
that
also
entails
putting
together
some
strong
enablement
material
and
really
just
answering
people's
questions
that
they
would
have
from
visiting
the
website
like
how
to
get
baselined.
How
to
join
the
community.
F
Things
like
that
working
on
making
a
new
member
starter
kit
for
anybody
who's
looking
to
join
the
community,
as
we
have
people
joining
the
slack
and
introducing
themselves
almost
every
day
at
this
point,
so
to
just
make
sure
they
have
a
good
set
of
resources.
And,
as
you
mentioned,
some
road
mapping
sessions
will
be
coming
up.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
host
some
one-on-ones
with
the
tsc
to
just
really
gauge
their
thoughts
on
improvements
to
baseline
and
hopefully
we'll
funnel
those
in
as
multiple
blips
that
some
of
our
core
devs
can
pick
up.
F
So
there's
a
ton
in
the
works
with
all
of
our
working
teams
and
super
excited
to
be
able
to
start
delivering
and
showing
some
of
it
to
the
group.
A
Well,
if
you
go
to
baselineprotocol.org,
you
can
get
into
the
repo
real
easy,
and
if
you
go
into
the
slash
examples
folder
on
the
repo,
you
can
find
the
battleship
game
and
if
you're
a
developer,
you
should
be
able
to
implement
that
pretty.
Well,
I
love
it.
I
think
it's
such
a
good
example
of
a
simple
one
of
the
simplest
forms
of
baselining,
and
I
think
we
should
we.
We
could
be
doing
another
thing
right.
A
So
right
now,
it'll
prove
under
zero
knowledge
that
you
hit
or
missed,
but
it
won't
prove
that
you
have
sunk,
an
entire
battleship
that
has
been
left
for
you
to
create
it.
Has,
it
won't,
prove
to
say
a
tournament
that
who
won
or
lost
the
game
without
revealing
the
positions
of
the
the
hits
and
misses
or
in
the
battleships?
A
So
these
are
things
that
can
be
done.
That
would
you
know
further
elaborate
that
battleship
game
we
can
make
those
blips.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
to
do
around
zero
knowledge.
Hey
kyle.
Are
you
guys
using
narco
or
did
you
grow?
Your
own
zk
machine
is.
C
C
At
using
narc
with
an
interface
to
you,
know,
sort
of
like
a
statically
bound
interface
to
linked
linked
libraries
that
are
written
in
c
plus.
E
A
A
F
Yeah
they're
testing
it
out
and
since
we
were
in
contact,
they
said
we're
going
to
be
on
the
list
for
possible
first
users,
and
hopefully
that'll
be
coming
soon
being.
A
Good
product
managers-
I'm
assuming
they
didn't,
give
you
a
timeline
yeah,
okay,
so
that
that's
on
in
in
the
works
and
and
also
being
able
to
allow
non-sponsors
to
to
contribute
is,
is
another
we've
got
a
proposal
I
think,
is
pretty
attractive
where
we
don't
want
to
cannibalize
sponsorship.
So
if
you're
out
there-
and
you
want
to
be
a
sponsor-
be
a
sponsor-
it's
not
expensive,
and
but
you
know
we
don't
want
people
to
provide,
grant
big
big
numbers
of
grant
money
and
not
sponsor.
A
So
probably
what
we'll
do
is
if
a
non-sponsor
provides
grant
money.
The
proposal,
at
least,
is
that
some
of
that
goes
into
sponsorship
to
cover
that,
but
yeah,
that's
those
are
all
the
plans
that
we
have
and
I
don't
want
to
say
that
those
are
done.
Those
are
that's
just
in
the
works,
so
the
community
can
know
what
we're
doing.
E
Could
we
do
john
john?
Could
we
do
a
sponsorship
dao
where
people
can
just
can
just
where
we
cap
sort
of
like
the
the
the
donation
at
a
at
a
certain
amount
and
then.
A
E
We
could
we
have
templates
for
that.
So
it's
like
it's
not
as
if
it's
like
that
hot
it's
like
it's
like
terrible
terrible,
but
it
would
it
would
be.
It
would
be
basically
saying
that
you
have
you
have
a
you,
have
a
a
you
know:
people
can
donate
like
an
ether
or
something
like
that
or
or
you
know
die,
and
they
they
can.
Then
they
get.
They
get
governance
tokens
for
that
and
they
can
vote
on
which,
which
proposal
they
will
they
which
proposals
they
want
to
fund.
E
A
Might
be
actually
no.
This
is
an
important
thing
to
to
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
So
in
governance
on
standards,
bodies
and
andres.
You
know
this
and
open
source
communities
right.
You
don't
want
people
to
be
able
to
use
money
to
buy
hegemony
right,
so
you
can
be
a
you
could
be
a
giant
sponsor
of
the
baseline
protocol
in
the
ea,
open,
open
the
community
and
and
it
won't
buy
you
a
single
vote
for
the
tsc.
A
It
won't
buy
you
any
pull
over
over
the
you
know
not
for
nothing,
that's
the
way.
Hyperledger
also
works.
It
was
one
of
the
things
I
was
proudest
about
with
hyperledger
was
was
framing
it
that
way
so
that
you
know
it's
not
only
openly
governed
open
source,
but
it's
also
such
that
contribution
is
the
only
thing
that
buys
you
any
votes
right.
A
So
if
you
want
to
have
a
say
over
the
direction
of
the
of
the
of
the
repo
have
more
people
come
from
your
team
contributing
and
then
you
get
more
votes
that
way.
If
you're,
not
contributing,
you
don't
get
votes
and-
and
so
by
the
same
token,
you
don't
want
people.
So
the
all
grant
money
is
governed
exclusively
by
the
tsc
they're,
the
only
body
and
and
that
again
the
ptc.
B
A
Not
is
voted
in
by
the
contributors,
so
it's
it's
a
nice
circle
right.
The
pgp
can't
even
tell
you,
tell
us,
tell
us
what
to
put
the
grant
money
into
only
the
tsc.
B
C
And,
interestingly,
with
the
governance
structure
that
we
were
proposing
for
the
oasis
provide
side
of
it
when
organizations
sponsor
oasis
the
oasis
project
oasis
is
doing
kyc
of
those
organ
kyb
of
those
organizations
based
on
the
size,
and
so
the
number
of
tokens
that
are
allocated
in
the
governance
model
for
those
organizations
is
pro
rata
to
the
size
of
their
contribution
to
the
to
the
oasis
project.
A
So
you
have
to
be
an
oasis
sponsor
in
order
to
be
a
validator
on
your
network.
C
A
C
That
would
that
would
destroy
the
opportunity
for
the
crypto
community,
and
so
no
it's
permissionless
for
to
become
a
validator.
But
for
the
organizations,
though,
like
what
we
wanted
to
do
right
was
to
allow
the
crypto
community
to
flourish
and
be
have
a
permissionless
network
to
validate,
because
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
and
a
need,
for
you
know,
permission
a
permissionless
network
and
then,
on
the
other
side.
C
No,
no,
not
at
all,
okay,
the
gov
on
the
governance
side,
though,
when
organizations
join
the
open
project
as
a
sponsor,
there's
a
direct
level
of
annual
commitment
that
they
have
to
provide,
you
know
they
have
to
just
you
know
how
oasis
works
you
based
on
the
size
of
the
organization
you
sponsor,
do
you
guys.
C
Well,
I
mean
you
know
you
gotta,
you
gotta,
you
gotta,
look
at
the
paper
john,
but
yeah.
It's
it.
A
A
What
I
like
is
is
is
how
there's
some
there
are
different
models.
You
know
springing
up,
you
know.
We've
we've
talked
to
the
the
the
the
base
ledger,
guys
and
they've
got
a
point
of
view.
You've
got
a
point
of
view.
Everybody's
got
I've
heard
now
three
more.
I
was
even
talking
to
richard
gendel
brown
and
my
old
friend,
and
now
it's
it's
like
we're
getting
on
the
same
side,
because
we're
both
talking
about
different
approaches,
right,
we're,
more
zk
and
he's
more
tees.
But
you
know
it's
the
same.
A
It's
trying
to
solve
the
same
problem,
trying
to
coordinate
without
giving
up
unnecessarily
giving
up
data
to
counterparties
so
we're
all.
It's
he's
got
his
approach,
and
I
I
don't
I
I
could
see
a
very
easy
fit
with
what
he's
doing
with
you
know
the
baseline
standard
at
some
point
in
the
future.
So
it's
you
know,
you
know
he
and
I
had
to
kind
of
argue
whether
corda
or
ethereum
or
fabric
was
the
best
thing.
D
A
In
this
environment,
it's
just
all
the
same
problem
and
and
different
tools
for
different
strokes.
I
guess
which
is
good,
so
there's
all
different
approaches
so
you're
doing
a
permissionless
thing.
Their
base
ledger
is
permissioned,
yeah
yeah.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
which
one
is
more
valid,
that
I
think
they're,
probably
good
for
for
different
things,
which
is
well.
A
Different
ones:
yeah
yeah
yeah-
I
get
it
yeah,
they'll
they'll,
probably
appeal
to
different
people
for
different
reasons.
Very
good
mark
cattle
got
any
anything
on
on
your
list
of
things
to
talk
about.
I
know
you're
doing
a
lot
in
the
outreach
community.
D
Yeah,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
activity
been
going
on
the
outreach.
We're
really
wanted
to
nail
down
the
website,
because
it's
probably
going
to
be
the
first
point
of
contact
for
an
interested
party
that
either
read
an
article
or
maybe
saw
a
presentation
or
attended
this
show
and
they
wanted
to
see
how
they
could
go
ahead
and
get
baselined,
which
is
a
which
is
a
main
point
of
focus.
You
know
for
the
website,
you
know
how
do
you
get
baseline?
D
A
A
Compliant
messaging
method,
you
know
it's
five
things
right,
yeah,
if,
if
you're
going
to,
if
you
need
to
prove
attributes
of
information
without
sharing
the
information,
then
you
need
a
circuit
generator
and
then
you
need
a
place
to
put
the
proofs
right.
It's
kind
of
like
look.
A
D
There
will
be,
and
one
thing
that
we're
doing
and
it's
something
that
I'm
actually
you
know
kind
of
throwing
out
a
little
bit
more
of
the
community
is
you
know
we
want
to
actually
start
to
put
in
put
together
a
mechanism
in
place.
You
know,
aside
from
a
cookbook
or
a
cake
mix
of
how
you
go
ahead
and
get
started
at
baseline
is
really.
How
do
you
want
to
sit
there
and
flesh
out?
Probably
a
you
know
more.
D
You
know
complex
type
capability
framework
on
there.
If
you
want
to
start
minting
your
own
nfps
and
if
you
want
to
start,
you
know
having
some
d5
type
functions
and
stuff
like
that,
as
opposed
to
just
synchronizing
your
data.
You
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
offer
that
as
well,
and
you
know-
and
that's
that's
where
you
start
to
start
to
look
at
the
solution
provider
aspect
of
it,
because
you
know
when
it
comes
to
baseline.
We
don't
have
a
single
vendor
that
does
all
the
elements
of
the
stack.
C
A
D
D
Oh
okay,
so
excuse
me,
and
so
the
big
thing
that
we
have
right
now
is
putting
out
a
lot
of
the
enablement
content
the
website.
D
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are,
you
know,
really
coming
in
and
giving
a
lot
of
their
time
and
talent
to
really
making
this
good.
You
know
it's
one
of
those.
You
know
you
only
get.
You
know
one
chance
to
make
a
good
first
impression,
and
we
want
to
be
mindful
of
that
and
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
best
impression
out
there.
A
We
need
we
need
the
the
easy
path
for
yeah.
I
mean
like,
like
the
the
like,
the
big,
the
solution
providers
that
are
already
now.
You
know,
we've
had
conversations
where
there's
a
lot
of
things.
We
don't
know
about
because
it
just
happens
when
without
us
knowing,
but
you
know,
we've
had
you
know
at
least
I've
had
one
at
least
one
conversation
with
a
big
provider.
That
is
saying
we
need
to
set
up
a
baseline
practice.
A
D
A
It's
amazing
how
powerful
a
good
slideshow
will
be.
I
mean
the
tree
trunk
thing
that
I'm
working
on
tree
trunk,
dot,
io
tree
trunk,
dot,
io
go
to
tree
trunk
dot,
io
shilling
is
allowed
on
the
show,
the
you
know,
the
the
slideshow
itself.
It
just
was
powerful
enough
to
get
tons
of
support
early
on
because
people
got
it.
So
a
good
slideshow
can
make
a
difference
right.
I'm
glad
thanks
for
that
mark,
hey,
there's,
there's
one!
A
You
brought
up
the
question
of
tokens
and
with
andreas
here
and
kyle
and
nick,
and
let
me
ask
about
tokens.
I've
been
having
this
hit
this
thing
in
my
head
and
I
had
a
call
with
with
some
folks
about
this
the
other
day,
and
I
just
keep
on
thinking
if
xml
was
too
fat
for
the
for
being
the
long
road
of
history
which
it
was
right,
json
yeah
I
mean
who
who
who
seriously
uses
x.
You
know
starts
a
project
with
xml
these
days.
A
Why
do
I
even
want
to
pack
my
hash
into
an
nft
unless
there's
a
protocol
that
requires
that
that,
in
input
you
know
and
an
homage
to
you
know
like
tin
and
drop
right
to
drop,
require
an
nft
input
so
that
you've
got
to
get
it
in
there
that
way,
but
why
not
strip
that
out
and
and
just
put
out
the
rna
right
and
say
the
rna
being?
You
know
my
my
proof
right
put
the
proof
on
the
merkle
tree.
It's
much.
A
A
It's
not
strong
enough,
a
path
to
setting
up
a
ccsm
such
that
you
are
having
a
way
of
publishing
the
location
into
which
a
proof
will
go
when
it
isn't
there
yet,
and
I
see
lots
of
application
of
that.
Where
I
can,
I
can
see
a
multi-uh
sort
of
a
three-body
problem
where
I,
where
I
have
two
parties
that
need
to
drop
a
proof
onto
a
bulletin
board,
and
so
the
third
party
or
the
other
parties
need
to
can
watch
for
that
when
they
see
it,
that's
their
event
listener.
E
It's
actually
it's
a
it's
actually
a
a
it's
actually
much,
much
more
mundane
and
and
and
than
that,
so
you
you
can.
E
E
Simple
yeah
that
that
is
a
gateway.
I
mean
for
the
provider
right,
the
service
provider.
Who,
who
offers
that
service
right
and
you
can
you
can
you
can
simply
you?
Can
you
can
create
a
relative
link
that
that
is
like
hey,
go
to
this
relative
link
right
and
then,
and
you
will
see
it
and
then
and
then
the
relative
link
is,
is
you
can
you
can
pin
it
to
either
permissioned
or
or
the
ipfs
network
itself?
And
you
can
update
the
hash
in
the
end
and
update
the
relative
link?
E
And
you
know
they
can
they
can
wait
and
click
on
it?
And
you
know
every
every
single
time
when.
E
Yeah,
so
it's
like
so
but,
but
that
is
a
if
you
want
to
do
it
in
a
distributed
manner,
either
permission
or
unpermission
they.
You
know
there's
a
way
through
ipfs
to
do
that,
to
publish
out
to
publish
out
that
that
content
and
even
update
it
under
the
hood
until
you're
you're.
You
know
it's
like
it's
like
it's
like
over
time,
without
breaking
breaking
the
link.
It's
like
wait.
E
A
C
B
E
Yeah,
you
can
you,
can
you
can
even
even
do
the
pointer
to
the
to
the
you
get
you
could
you
actually
you
know
what
you
could
do
you
can
you
can?
Even
I
can
I
can.
I
can
do
you
one
better,
you
can
actually
do
do
do
an
entire
little
app
on
ipfs
that
you
publish
out
that
that
that
does
that
actually
does
the
smart
contract
call
and
everything,
because
you
can
you
can
you
can
run.
A
That
would
be
a
good
hack,
but
but
you
you
get,
would
you
do?
We
agree?
I
think
that's
a
nice
pattern.
I
could.
I
could
find
a
lot
of
utility
in
that
and
again
I
don't
need
an
nft
oddly,
I
am
starting
an
nft
company.
So
obviously
I
have
a
more
nuanced
position
on
nfts
I
am
starting
an
nft
company.
Clearly
I
like
nfds,
so.
A
Others
we
are
starting
it
until
I
until
I
pull
shenanigans,
it's
I
am
starting.
No,
I'm
kidding.
No,
I
we
can't
wait
to
tell
you
guys
all
about
it.
Andreas
is
the
golden
goose
man.
A
Amazing
work,
but
anyway,
that's
that's.
For
another
day
in
a
different
form,
everybody
should
go
to
eat
denver.
It
was
anybody
here
going
to
eat
dinner,
denver.
C
B
A
Right
now,
yeah
so
back
to
the
nft
thing,
and
then
we
can
close
room
about
close
down
the
top
of
the
hour.
I
mean
what
what
say
you
did
that
andreas
I
mean.
A
Where
is
their
utility
that
exceeds
the
fatness
and
you
know
and
expense
of
an
nft
in
packing
corporate
data
into
an
nft
on
any
kind
of
blockchain,
as
opposed
to
leaving
the
data
in
a
database
and
not
and
and
taking
this,
the
are.
E
A
E
E
Right,
it's
like
it's
like
it's
like,
and
that
is
whether
it's
an
nft
or
in
your
c20
or
whatever
any
smart
contract
you're
packing
packing
relative
external
data
on
on
on
on
chain
is
a
question
of
data
availability
of
that.
Okay
of
that
for
your
business,
for
your
business
business
business
purposes.
If.
E
E
You
know
it's
like
maximally
secure
right
then,
if,
if
I
can,
if
I
can
package
it
cryptographically
the
the
data
and
put
it
out
into
the
public
that
only
the
other
party
knows
how
to
interpret
that
data,
but
it's
it's
available
to
them
at
any
point
in
time
without
having
to
get
touch
my
systems
again,
it's
about
not
touching
my
systems.
It's
like
no
one
touched
my
systems,
it's
like
you,
know,
bugger
off
right.
It's
like
no
one
touched.
My
right.
A
I'm
going
to
end
it
on
bugger
off
everybody.
That's
that's
going
to
be
the
last
line
of
this
show
yeah.