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From YouTube: The Baseline Show: Interview with Janet Dunlap
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Date: October 27, 2021
A
Hey
everybody:
it's
john
wilpert
with
baseline,
show
and
we're
here
with
a
whole
bunch
of
people
from
oasis
and
from
the
baseline
community,
we'll
be
talking
about
we'll,
be
talking
about
all
the
all
of
the
new
new
stuff
going
on
with
the
tsc
and
with
everything
else.
A
I'm
gonna
take
a
second
here
to
find
one.
Why
I'm
hearing
myself
and
my
yeah
there
we
go
that
helps
it's
good
to
see
everybody
here:
andreas
ryan,
kyle,
thomas
claudia
rush,
janet
dunlop,
jack,
wiring,
sonal,
patel,
natarajan,
mark
haddle,
chat,
ensign
and
luis
hamilton.
It's
good
to
see
you
all.
Today
we
have
some
announcements
to
make
about
the
new
technical
steering
committee
who's.
We
finished
the
vote
for
the
the
2021-22
technical
steering
committee
for
the
baseline
protocol.
A
We're
going
to
be
talking
about
that
and
then
solo
patel
is
going
to
be
interviewing,
janet
dunlip
about
about
engineering
and
coordinating
systems
under
zero
knowledge
and
then
we'll
we'll
open
up
the
team
so
without
further
ado
chat
and
claudia.
First
of
all,
we
should
say
thank
you
for
conducting
this
the
vote.
It
sounds
like
we
did.
We
had
some
great
results
and
participation
by
the
standards
of
standard
bodies.
B
Yes,
you
did
for
those
of
you
who,
who
may
not
have
been
here
for
the
entire
drama,
the.
B
Is
the
the
the
eea
community
projects
project
governing
board
has
set
up
the
tfcs
for
that
project
so
that
they
are
annual
elections,
so
this
was
actually
the
second
annual
election,
but
the
first
one
where
we
really
put
the
procedure
in
place,
and
so
we
we
first
had
a
nomination
period
that
I
think
I
I
don't
recall
whether
that
lasted
one
week
or
two,
but
you
had.
B
B
The
just
to
to
recap,
briefly,
the
technical
steering
committee
or
tsc
in
an
oasis
open
project
is
a
group
that
actually
does
work,
don't
just
meet.
You
know
once
a
month
and
kind
of
like
look
at
some
reports
and
maybe
vote
on
something,
and
actually
it's
the
tsc.
That's
really
doing
the
day-to-day
oversight
of
what's
going
on
in
in
in
the
project
the
you
know,
people
anyone
can
come
in
and
participate.
Of
course,
anyone
can
open
issues.
Comment
on
issues
make
pull
requests.
B
What
have
you,
but
it's
the
tsc,
that's
ultimately
directing
the
maintainers
on
which
ones
to
approve
you
know
sort
of
setting
setting
technical
directions
to
go
in
actually
getting
in
and
doing
work
themselves.
So
it
is
a
very
active
body
that
has
has
an
outsized
impact
on
how
the
the
project
itself
evolves
over
time.
B
The,
as
I
said,
we
had
19
eligible
candidates,
so
we
opened
up
the
ballot
before
or
just
after
the
the
baseline
show.
Two
weeks
ago
we
opened
up
the
up
the
ballot
we
actually
had
eligible.
Voters
were
anyone
who
had
made
and
had
it
had
made
a
full
request
and
had
it
accepted
who
basically
had
a
commit
within
the
last
seven
seven
months,
and
we
actually
had
40
eligible
voters
on
the
list,
a
fair
number
of
whom
said.
Oh
wait.
B
I
have
to
do
that
to
vote
and
then
ran
off,
and
did
you
know
something
that
could
get
could
get
committed?
So
I
I
forget
so
now,
but
it
seems
to
me
like
10
people
like
in
the
last
two
days,
10
people
piled
on
with
oh
wait.
Here's
something
that
needs
to
be
fixed,
so
so
that
was
quite
a
you
know,
quite
a
an
expression
of
interest
as
well.
B
Of
those
there
were
25
votes
cast,
which
is
a
really
respectable
margin
as
well.
You
know
that
not
only
do
we
have
people
who
are
interested
in
voting,
but
when
they
got
down
to
it
they
actually
voted.
So
there
were
25
votes
cast
and
the
the
people
who
will
be
on
the
technical
steering
committee
are
in
no
particular
order.
John
wolpert
kyle,
thomas
stefan
schmidt,
andreas
freund,
karthik,
soloporum,
ryan,
fish,
samrat,
kishore,
maron,
kale,
tweeder,
jack,
wearing
and
luis
suarez.
B
So
that
is
your
2021-2022
technical
steering
committee.
Congratulations
to
you
all
one
reminder!
If
you
have
not
filled
out
an
individual
cla
in
icla,
I'm
I'm,
I'm
pretty
sure
all
of
you
have,
but
just
in
if
you
haven't
just
check
with
claudia
or
me
and
we'll
tell
you
how
to
do
that.
That's
that's
required
of
tsc
members
and
that's
it
john.
Unless
anybody's
got
any
questions.
A
Thanks
for
that,
I'm
I
was
just
trying
to
update
the
you.
A
Yeah,
no,
I
I
just
wanted
to
put
the
the
names
of
everybody
up
on
there,
so
I
was
just
finishing
that
up.
So
that's
on
the
the
the
chat
yeah.
So
congratulations
to
everybody
that
that
was
elected
or
condolences.
If
you
were
hoping
not
to
get
elected
you're
in
it.
Now
that's
a
terrific
group.
The
last
group
was
terrific
as
well,
and
I
have
to
say
that
there
were.
A
There
are
several
people
that
didn't
make
it
on
this
list
that
sure
deserve
it,
and
and-
and
we
hope
that
well,
we
need
you
to
stay
involved.
As
I
said,
I
would
have.
If
I
didn't
get
elected,
I
wouldn't
change
my
what
I'm
doing
for
the
community,
I'm
hoping
everybody
feels
the
same
and,
more
importantly,
equally
importantly,
we're
going
to
need
we're
going
to
want
to
focus
on
you
know:
expanding
the
tent
of
people
that
that
have
roles
of
importance
on
the
team.
A
You
know,
mark
cattle
right
here
has
been
one
of
the
most
supportive
people
of
the
community
I've
ever
seen
mark.
I
know
you
didn't
make
it
on
the
tsc,
but
or
me
thinks
you
should
share
the
thing.
A
So
so
you
know,
we
hope
that
we,
I
think
we
ought
to
find
something
important
for
you
in
particular,
so
congratulations,
everybody
and
to
anybody
that
was
hoping
to
get
on
that
list.
It's
always
next
year,
or
you
know
you
could
always.
You
know
you
know
find
out
where
one
of
these
people
lives
and
take
them
out.
No
kidding
have
a
new
vote.
A
No,
it's
great
to
see
everybody
thanks
for,
for
that
chat
and,
and
and
and
claudia
and
I'd
like
to
put
a
special,
I
think
we
all
would
like
to
say
a
special
thank
you
to
sonal
patel
for.
C
A
A
huge
hand
in
what
I
think
is
a
remarkable
turnout.
Thank
you,
sir.
D
You're
welcome
in
just
a
second
what
john
said:
anybody
who
wasn't
elected
please
still
stay
deep
in
the
community.
We
need
leads
for
the
core
dogs
for
the
outreach
team
and
right
now
we
have
a
ton
of
folks
interested
in
joining
the
meetings.
So
if
you
didn't
make
it
on
the
tsc,
I
could
still
use
your
help
in
many
other
ways.
So
please
reach
out
to
me.
A
Right
now,
just
a
quick
recap
on
how
it's
probably
a
good
time
of
year
to
to
do
this.
A
quick
recap
on
how
the
baseline
protocol
team
is
organized.
It's
not
actually
that
simple
there
there
is.
There
are
two
major
organizations
involved,
there's
or
or
organizing
organizations.
There's
the.
A
Alliance-
and
there
is
the
oasis
standards
body
oasisopen.org
and
the
the
enterprise
ethereum
alliance
has
entered
into
an
agreement
with
the
oasis
organization,
such
that
we
called
these
projects
under
joint
management,
eea
community
projects,
so
the
the
baseline
community
is
organized
under
what
we
call
the
eea
community
projects
initiative,
which
is
sponsored
very
heavily
by
the
ea
and
operated
by
oasis
folks,
like
chat
and
and
and
and
the
team.
A
A
Only
thing
which
you
know
the
ea
is
is
members
only
that
it's
it's
an
industry
standards
body
where
participation
is
restricted
to
members,
whereas
what
we
do
is
not
restricted
to
members
or
sponsors,
anyone
can
participate
and
we,
an
oasis,
maintains
the
legal
and
organizational
system
that
allows
us
to
do
that
without
doing
things
like
messing
up
intellectual
property
or
a
certificate
of
originality
or
or
that
sort
of
thing
chet.
Do
you
have
a
anything
else?
You
want
to
say
about
that.
E
B
A
a
a
long
tested,
a
governance
policy
that
dates
back
into
the
90s
that
is
recognized
pretty
much
globally.
We've
got
relationships
with
all
of
the
major
standards,
development
organizations,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
benefits
of
working
in
this
in
this
in
this
somewhat
complicated
framework
it
does,
it
does
add
some
some,
you
know,
rules
and
procedures
and
things
on
top
of
work
that
gets
done,
but
one
of
the
advantages
of
it
is
that
becoming
an
oasis
standard.
B
So
it
will
be
an
eea
community
projects,
oasis
standard,
so
we're
working
in
a
in
a
combination
but
underneath
the
oasis
rules
so
that
it
can
follow
all
the
steps
to
become
approved
as
an
oasis
standard.
That
gives
it
a
level
of
recognition
sort
of
globally
that
that
that
can
help
with
adoption
and
it
puts
it.
It
puts
the
community
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
submit
the
oasis
standard
to
to
a
standard
development
organization
like
iso
or
itu
or
iec
for
international
adoption,
which
makes
the
europeans
go.
C
B
Now
we
can
trust
it,
you
know,
so
so
it's
it's
it.
It
essentially
assists
with
adoption
and
and
your
you
know
your
your
your
standing
globally
and
so
so
that's
that's
part
of
the
benefit
you're
getting
out
of
this
particular
partnership
and
the
additional
work
that
goes
with
it.
A
A
I'm
kidding
okay
yeah.
So
so
that's
that's.
You
know
those
that's
the
high
level
and
then
within
our
our
community.
We
have
three
layers
of
of
of
organization.
The
project
governance
board,
made
up
of
sponsors
and
then
the
technical
steering
committee
that
we
just
voted
in,
notably
you
could
spend
all
you
want
to
do
all
you
want
on
sponsoring.
A
Here's
one
of
them
baseline
standard
and
then
baseline.
The
github
repo
for
for
baseline,
is,
is
just
github.com.
Eea
desk
relations,
slash
baseline,
and
so,
if
you're
in
that
repo,
you
will
you,
you
know
you
and
you're
you're,
contributing
anything
that
gets
merged
to
maine.
A
You
will
you'll
be
a
voter,
and
now
we
have,
I
don't
know
like
approaching
100
contributors.
I
think
so.
That's
that's
that's
how
this
works,
and
so
the
project
governance
board
steps
in
when
the
tsc
can't
agree.
The
tsc
steps
in
when
the
contributors,
the
core
devs
and
other
people
that
can
maintain
the
code
and
the
standard
can't
agree
on
things.
A
That's
how
it
works.
The
core
dev
community,
in
particular,
which
sonal
is
especially
focused
on,
is,
is
really
spinning
up
a
really
great
participation
already
so
and
and
the
tsc
will
be
able
to
help
with
appointing
new
members
to
the
core
devs
community.
D
A
Great,
so
that's
all
our
business
for
this,
this
wonderful
wednesday
october.
I
don't
we,
we
should
have
come
in
costumes,
it's
an
opportunity
there.
Okay,
so
does.
A
And
some
really
cool
stickers
that
they
made
for
the
all
things
open
conference.
I
I
will
say
the
all
things
open
conference
in
raleigh
last
week
was
terrific
and
we
were
well
represented.
I
hope
you
guys
have
seen
the
the
they
they
did
publicize
the
video
from
that
and
we
had
so.
We
built
some
really
great
relationships
with
the
open
source
community.
A
At
that
time
there
was
quite
a
quite
a
few
blockchain
presentations
there
more
than
the
previous
two
years
ago,
when
they
the
last
time
they
actually
had
it
in
person,
so
that
that
speaks
to
blockchain
general's
participation
in
the
open
source
community,
which
is
great
okay.
So
why
don't
you
take
it
away
and
introduce
janet
dunlop
and
we'll
we'll
talk
about
that.
D
All
right
sounds
good,
so
we
have
janet
dunlap
with
us
today
and
I
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
janet
at
east
atlanta
and
we
started
talking,
and
she
mentioned
that
she's
in
the
civil
and
industrial
engineering
space,
and
I
was
shocked
because
it's
a
whole
different
world
that
a
lot
of
us
aren't
aware
of
and
she
had
an
interest
in
baseline
and
some
of
the
other
companies
and
projects
that
were
at
east
atlanta.
So
I
was
super
interested
in
hearing
more
from
her.
D
So
I
did
us
all
the
pleasure
of
inviting
her
to
join
us
on
the
show
today
and
ex
introducing
herself
and
explaining
why
she's
interested
in
baseline
for
the
engineering
space
so
janet.
If
you'd
like
to
introduce
yourself
that'd,
be
great
thanks.
C
Sonal
and
thanks
for
having
me
on
baseline,
this
is
great.
So
I
am
a
civil
structural
engineer,
not
a
software
engineer
which
probably
most
of
you
guys
are,
but
I
have
been
in
the
space
for
for
in
the
software
engineering
space
for
the
last
like
three
or
four
years,
and
my
goal
really
is
to
collect
the
knowledge
from
the
engineering
community
and
put
it
onto
an
open
source
collaborative
platform.
C
So
it
has
a
trusted
ledger
source,
that's
accurate
and
agreed
upon.
So
instead
of
supply
chain
information
being
put
onto
record,
it
is
more
knowledge
based
with
tangible
assets
being
in
the
field
in
the
construction
industry.
So
that
is
so
the
reason
why
I've
been
going
to
different
venues
trying
to
fi.
C
I'm
really
trying
to
look
for
a
platform
to
put
this
information
onto
what
interest
me
about
baseline
was
that
you
guys
it
linked
people
from
small
small
who
do
small
volume
and
putting
them
linking
them
together
so
that
they
are
all
communicating
together
on
the
same
same
place,
even
though
they
might
have
different
forms
of
information
and
different
forms
of
data.
C
So
that
was
one
of
the
the
biggest
things
that
I
liked
about
baseline.
There
were
a
few
other
things
that
I
heard
on
kind
of
more
of
the
nft
part
where
each
of
my
goal
is
to
have
each
of
the
drawings
or
detailed
drawings
that
are
done
in
cad.
C
Have
them
be
assignable
to
people
that
are
being
reviewed
and
there
would
be
an
originator
and
then,
if
there
was
more
built
built
something
else
built
upon
that
same
type
of
design,
they
would
you
know
each
get
a
certain
amount
of
tokenization
when
those
designs
are
used.
So
there
was
some
information
there
that
I
thought
was
useful
and
so
really
my
target
market
are
professional
engineers.
So
that's
kind
of
the
same
thing
you
have
to
have
a
license
to
practice
engineering
in
every
state,
so
they
are
my
target
market.
C
They
are
the
people
who
direct
the
entire
construction
industry,
so
they're,
the
ones
who
tell
people
what
to
build
and
how
to
build
it,
and
they
are
the
only
ones
that
are
able
to
do
that.
So
really.
This
touches
on
the
whole
construction
industry,
which
is
a
1.36
trillion
dollar
business
huge.
It's
so
it's
not
big
they're,
it's
very
large.
There
are.
C
I.
I
need
the
resources
from
a
bunch
of
different
engineers
putting
in
their
information
from
all
over
the
world
for
all
all
over
the
country.
We
each
have
our
own
different
specialties.
I'm
in
florida
we
have
wind
loads
if
you're
out
in
california,
you're
going
to
have
some
earthquake
loads
and
you're.
If
you're
in
colorado,
you're
going
to
have
snow
loads,
that
snow
loads
and
earthquake
loads
are
not
my
specialty
when
loads
are
so,
it
would
be
very
specialized
by
location.
C
Which
is
why
I
want
everyone
to
be
putting
in
the
same
information
and
really
what
it
does.
Is
it
standardizes
a
lot
of
the
construction
practices,
we're
kind
of
all
over
the
board
right
now,
people
still
do
hand
calculations.
The
majority
of
the
engineers
are.
C
When
I
was
going
through
college,
I
knew
that
I
wanted
to
go
into
engineering
and
that
there
would
be
a
reduction
in
engineering
people
due
to
the
baby
boomers,
those
guys
kind
of
moving
out
at
some
point,
and
so,
when
I
graduated
from
college,
all
of
the
people
who
thought
like
me
who
thought
like
an
engineer
they
all
went
most
of
them
went
into
either
investment,
banking
or
even
or
they
went
into
the
internet,
which
was
new
then,
and
the
engineers
now
getting
out
of
college
they're,
not
going
into
structural
engineering
they're
going
into
software
engineering,
where
you
can
make
that
many
times
more
much
more
money.
C
So
my
concern
is
that,
being
in
this
space,
I'm
I'm
worried
that
you
know
we're
going
to
end
up
being
in
some
world
where
we're
going
to
have
a
bunch
of
people
with
their
vr
headsets
on
living
in
a
metaverse
and
they're
going
to
you
know,
take
their
headset
off
and
look
around
and
notice
that
the
buildings
are
crumbling
and
then
they're
going
to
be
like
never
mind
it
doesn't
matter.
You
know
I'm
going.
I.
A
C
A
Janet,
I
I'm
really
interested
in
this
in
what
you're
doing,
if
I
can
ask
a
couple
questions:
I'd
love
to.
A
Okay,
so,
first
of
all
it
one
of
the
things
you
said,
that
was
kind
of
interesting.
I
mean,
as
you
know,
where
you
probably
learned
at
the
at
the
last
event
that
we
were
at
in
atlanta.
Baselining
is
really
about
coordination
under
zero
knowledge
right,
it's
not
really
about
putting
data
on
a
blockchain.
In
fact,
it's
the
opposite
of
that.
So
you
you
mentioned
before
you
want
to
put
everybody
putting
their
information
on
a
thing.
A
That's
a
very
sas
kind
of
a
thought,
or
maybe
a
blockchain
has
database
kind
of
a
thought
which
we're
very
against
right.
We're
not
you
know
I
like
sas
okay,
but
but
you
don't
want
to
put
that
data
on
a
blockchain
right,
because
each
of
the
people
with
those
those
drawings
that
data
those
those
specifications-
that's
private
information
to
them
right,
that's
important
that
it
doesn't
get
out
in
the
open.
Is
that
correct.
C
A
E
E
From
yourself
the
same
problem
right
just
hold
it
here,
that's
bad,
okay,
so
my
name
is
I'm
a
professional
engineer
as
well
a
pe.
I
come
from
the
offshore
oil
and
gas
world,
so
you
know
conventional
engineering.
I've
been
a
project
manager
for
the
last
10
years
in
offshore
oil
and
gas.
You
know
same
issues
with
managing
you
know:
teams
of
engineers
and
so
on
and
building
big
things,
right,
project
plans,
coordination
and
so
on.
I'm
also
working
on
a
solution.
E
In
engineering
construction
in
an
industry
and
we'll
talk
talk
more
about
that
offline,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
you
said
right
and
also
trying
to
address
what
john's
concerns
were
from
what
I
understand.
One
of
the
things
that
you
were
trying
to
do
is
to
tokenize
ownership
of
ip
in
the
form
of
drawings.
You
know
so
you
can
license
it
out
beyond
the
confines
of
the
firm
that
it's
been
generated.
So
you
you.
C
E
The
advantage
of
actually
you
know
that
this
knowledge
actually
gets
used.
You
know
across
especially
in
civil
engineering
right
I
mean
there's
a
there's.
E
A
lot
of
scope
for
use
of
this,
so
essentially
the
tokenization
of
ip
in
the
form
of
these
drawings
proves
the
ownership
and
allows
you
know
people
to
generate
revenue
from
that
ip
in
the
form
of
these
engineering
drawings
or
even
a
bim
right,
building,
building
information
model
in
3d
that
that's
generated
right
so
you're,
basically
taking
that
off
the
confines
of
an
enterprise
and
putting
it
in
a
tokenized
form
to
where
it
can
create
more
value
both
for
others
and
for
the
people
who
developed
it.
Is
that
correct.
A
So
so
to
both
of
you,
then
the
question
is:
if,
if
the
data
is
supposed
to
be
shared
widely,
there's
no
compartmentalization
requirements,
then
I
should
think
that
that's
you
know
you
put
that
up
on
the
sas
either
on
a
sas
basis
or
you
put
it
up
on
ipfs.
You
don't
have
to
baseline
some
private
databases
right.
E
Okay,
sorry
janet-
I
just
wanted
to
address
john's
concerns
right
because
I,
since
I've
talked
to
him
before
I
have
have
some
feeling
of
values
coming
from,
I
think
john.
The
thing
is
to
be
able
to
put
the
proof
of
ownership
like
off
a
drawing
or
something
which
could
reside
on
a
private
system
right.
So
you
take
a
hash
of
a
bim
model
right
or
a
cad
model,
and
theoretically
you
can
put
you
know.
This
is
just
an
example
right.
Maybe
this
is
what
janet's
doing
towards
right
put
the
proof
of
ownership.
E
You
know
you,
you
just
look
at
it
in
terms
of
the
three
trunk
thing
that
you've
been
working
on
too
right,
so
put
a
proof
of
ownership
off.
You
know
that
piece
of
data,
whether
it's
a
drawing
or
a
bia
model,
where
it's
it's.
You
know
it
is
verifiable
that
it
belongs
to
you
and
any
licenses
are
also
verifiable
back
to
the
source
right.
So.
A
That's
even
even
better
right,
if
you
could
say
if
you
could
say
the
low
you
know,
and
this
again
this
is
only
important
if
you
can't
share
the
actual
data
right,
but
you
could
prove
that
a
particular
load.
Tolerance
has
been
met
in
this
design.
A
F
Yeah,
I
actually
was
looking
a
little
bit
about
the
you
know
when
it
comes
to
proving
ownership.
Where
is
the
challenge
that
the
ownership
has
to
be
proven?
Is
it
generally
due
to
the
construction
financing?
Is
it
done
through
the
insurers?
Is
it
done
by
the
local
local
government?
F
C
So
so
the
whole
point
is
that
the
information
will
be
available
not
only
to
the
contractor
who's
purchasing
the
drawings,
but
it's
going
to
be
available
to
the
building
department.
C
Who
is
the
the
overall
person
who's
taking
a
look
at
the
drawings
it
and
when
a
building
department
sees
that
these
drawings
are
provided
through
this
system
they
would
say:
okay,
it's
not
just
one
engineer,
really
who's.
Looking
at
this
stuff,
there
have
been
multiple
engineers
who
agree
with
the
information
and
it's
all
standardized
so
right
now,
for
instance,
there
may
be
just
in
my
local
area,
my
town,
there
could
be
five
different
door
buck
details.
You
know
something
simple
like
that,
which
doesn't
make
any
sense.
C
So
if
an
inspector
was
to
see
one
standardized
industry-wide
detail
for
that
they
would
say:
okay
yeah.
This
is
all
fine.
Well,
not
only
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
take
that
information.
That
information
is
going
to
be
available
on
a
phone
so
say,
we've
got
some
inexperienced
person
who's
going
out
to
a
job
to
your
house
to
go,
do
a
remodel
on
any
one
of
your
houses
and
he
comes
out
there.
His
supervisor's
not
there
and
he
says
all
right,
I'm
no
I'm
supposed
to
be
installing
a
roof.
C
C
That's
the
way
it
has
to
be.
You
know
design,
and
he
has
now
a
direct
way
to
get
the
information,
whereas
before
he
doesn't
have
really
a
direct
way
to
get
to
an
engineer
and
to
an
engineer's
knowledge
and
then
say
he
gets
pulled
off
and
he
has
to
go.
C
Do
something
else
whatever
it
is,
that's
not
as
in
his
expertise.
He
is
going
to
be
able
to
pull
it
up
and
say
this
is
what
I'm
supposed
to
do
now.
The
benefits
to
that
are
then,
when
the
inspector
comes,
the
official
building
official
inspector
comes
he's
going
to
look
at
it.
He
can
also
pull
up
the
same
information
on
his
phone
and
say:
hey
yep.
These
people
did
the
correct
information.
They
did
it
correctly
or
whatever,
and
so
now
you
know
there
wasn't
a
supervisor
there.
C
You
know
the
information
got
through
the
you
know.
The
inspections
got
done
so.
Therefore,
your
construction
time
just
got
decreased
rather
than
you
know,
waiting
to
call
back
the
inspector
find
the
subcontractor
to
say:
hey.
You
guys
installed
this
incorrectly.
All
of
that
and
then
on
top
of
that,
what
happens
is
that
insurance
companies?
C
They
know
that
the
that
those
buildings
are
designed
correctly,
they're
built
correctly
and
so
they're
like
I.
I
would
put
more
faith
into
that
and
therefore
your
insurance
rates
are
going
to
go,
will
be
lower.
So
it's
a
it's
a
business
automation,
which
is
why
I
liked
the
baseline-
and
I
liked
the
tree
trunk
too.
That
was
another
part
that
was
interesting
to
me
and
really
right
now,
people
have
very
scattered.
What
is
traditional
in
keeping
this
information
is,
is
not
readily
available.
C
It's
not
easy
to
access
and
so
for
a
real
estate
agent
they'd,
be
able
to
you,
know
log
into
an
address
and
they'd
be
able
to
get
certain
information
about
the
house
where
you
know
it's
just
at
the
touch
of
their
fingers,
rather
than
I've
got
to
go
to
the
building
department,
get
the
plans
the
plans
are
on
microfiche
the
you
know
the
whole
thing.
So
that's
the
kind
of
the
goal.
F
Well-
and
I
would
also
sit
there
and
say
in
the
as
as
the
project
moves
forward
and
stuff,
you
know
a
lot
of
it's
done
under
construction
bridge
financing
and
you've
got.
You
know
one
community
to
where
you
have
the
architects
and
engineers
and
all
the
contractors
put
together
and
then,
as
well
as
the
builders
risk
insurance
that
goes
in
there.
They
operate
generally
in
a
siloed
mechanism
that
is
outside
of
the
financing
portion
of
it
to
where
there
generally
is
a
lag
between.
F
You
know,
sharing
that
data
to
say
you
know
where,
where
are
we?
As
far
as
on
the
timeline
of
this
construction,
and
that's
for,
if
you're
going
to
have
you
know
all
right,
we
have
completed
all
of
the
framing
we've
completed
all
the
masonry
work.
F
We
now
need
another
draw,
a
funding
draw
from
the
construction
loan
to
start
superstructure
work,
or
you
know
our
whatever
is
going
to
need
to
be
required
to
sit
there
and
have
the
milestone
for
the
evolution
of
the
project
and
having
a
way
of
actually
being
able
to
have
tie.
All
of
these
together
would
be
very
compelling
so
that
everybody
can
say
hey.
You
know
it's
not
so
much
that
I
need
to
protect
so
much
my
ip.
It's
just.
F
A
E
Because
this
is
exactly
what
I
set
out
to
do.
You
know
with
the
platform
that
we're
building-
and
you
know,
there's
a
paper-
you
know
that
was
published
earlier
this
year
in
an
acm
publication
right
that
describes
the
architecture.
So,
basically,
what
we
were
doing
is
is
to
bring
all
of
these
parties
together.
You
know
to
have
a
trusted
source
of
truth.
That
you
know
shows
the
project
progress.
E
You
know,
has
the
schedules,
the
payment
information,
the
value
that's
created
and
tokenize
these
assets,
even
as
they're
being
generated
right,
even
as
the
project
is
being
built
right
to
tokenize.
You
know
the
different
parts
of
the
project,
so
you
have
a
token
second
to
nfts,
because
nfds
are
non-fungible
tokens
right,
that's
literally
what
they
are
and
if
you
build
a
project,
a
project
is
a
unique.
You
know
asset
right
that
is
created
through
effort
right
by
different
parties
that
come
together,
often
with
uncoordinated
information.
E
You
know
operating
through
different
silos
because
you
have
organizational
boundaries.
You
have
financials,
you
have
regulators,
you
have,
you
know
all
kinds
of
parties
with
all
different
systems.
So
the
you
know,
there's
there's
a
few
different
things.
That's
already
you
know
being
discussed
here
right.
So
what
about
what
you're
talking
about
you
know
this
is
it's.
This
is
about
sharing
information
between
all
parties
having
a
trusted
source
to
very,
very
viable,
scheduled
progress,
you
know
and
so
on,
and
I
think
what
janet
was
describing
earlier
was
a
little
sorry.
E
So
what
janet
was
describing
when,
when
we
started
right
was,
was
a
way
of
sharing
the
ip
for
drawings
that
are
generated
beyond
you
know
a
certain
project
right,
so
you
you
have,
let's
say
a
set
of
drawings
that
is
built
for
you
know,
house,
housing,
development
or
whatever
right.
So
she
was
talking
and
janet
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
she
was
talking
about
you
know.
If
you
generate
these
house
plans
and
development
plans
and
whatnot
those
same
set
of
plans
can
be
reused
for
another
project
right.
So
how
do
you?
E
How
do
you,
you
know,
share
that
information?
Prove
that
it's
yours
and
how
do
you
generate
revenue
off
of
that?
So,
in
a
way
I
mean
part
of
the
problem
with
our
discussion
is
that
we
are
mixing
all
of
these
issues
together
too
right.
So,
yes,
in
an
individual
individual
project,
you
know
you
need
to
bring
up
a
lot
of
parties
together
to
a
trusted
source
of
what
is
actually
happening
in
a
project
right,
asset
creation
schedules
and
so
on,
and
then
there
is
also
the
thing
that
I
think
janet
started.
E
Our
discussion
with
is
that
how
do
you
generate
revenue
out
of
ip
that
you
generate
written
as
within
a
project
outside
of
that
project?
Right?
So
that's
that's
another
use
case
you
know
for
baseline
to
where
you
prove
that
you
own
these
project
plans
or
something
you
know
related
to.
You
know
like
a
bi
model
or
something
like
that.
A
Yeah,
the
key
thing
is
I'm
curious
about
what
is
what
are
the
com?
What
are
the
platforms,
the
traditional
platforms
right
autocad?
Is,
you
know
clearly
one
of
them.
You
know
what
what
are
these?
What
are
the
traditional
platforms,
one
of
the
nice
things
about
baselining,
is
that
we
it's
not
a
cold
war
with
those
platforms.
Right
sap
is
first
class
citizen
in
baselining,
because
you
don't
put
the
data
on
a
blockchain,
you
leave
it
in
sap
or
microsoft
dynamics
or
neo4j
or
whatever
your
database
is
so.
C
A
In
terms
of
standardization,
janet
the
the
power
of
that
is,
you
know
you
don't
have
to
say.
Well,
I
mean
for
last
six
years.
I
think
we've
been
sort
of
not
saying
it,
but
it's
implied
that
hey
don't
take.
You
know,
let's
migrate,
your
data
to
this
giant
threat,
surface
people
don't
like
that
right.
So
what
you?
What
what
baselining
allows
you
to
do
is
is
to
bring
more
easily
traditional
systems
of
record
players
to
the
to
the
table
to
say,
yeah,
we're
part
of
the
standards,
because
you're
not
gonna
threaten
our
business.
A
A
A
C
Well,
well,
and
that's
why
I
had
originally
thought
of
having
it
a
hybrid
open
source,
as
in
it
would
be
open
source
for
engineers
to
be
able
to
look
through
calculations.
Look
through
all
the
proofs.
Look
through
all
the
information,
so
so
engineers
would
have
professional
engineers
would
have
access
to
that,
so
they
would
be.
C
Yeah
they
they
would
have,
they
would
have,
they
would
have
access
to
all
that
information,
but,
more
importantly,
the
other
part
of
it
was
that
I
really
was
hoping
and
that
you'd
actually
be
able
to
put
in
your
plans-
and
you
would
out-
would
come
a
structurally
designed
set
of
plans
based
off
of
the
computer
models
that
are
being
built.
The
ai
system,
that's
being
done
in
the
background
and
based
off
of
what
the
information
that's
coming
in
and
out,
and
that
would
all
be
within
the
engineers
realm.
C
It
would
be
a
separate,
the
the
and
those
and
you
would
be
creating
getting
tokens
for
doing
that
work.
Now
there
would
be
a
separate.
Those
tokens
would
be
valuable
to.
C
A
C
Well,
really,
it's
it's
the
connectivity
of
how
I'm
going
from
very
small
entities
to
one
large
entity
and
the
example
that.
C
For
the
example
that
I
noted
in
the
east
atlanta
thing
was
the
kona
project
that
you
guys
did
with
having
and
I'm
gonna,
I'm
not
familiar
with
coca-cola
enough.
But
but
what
it
sounded
like
to
me
is
that
they're
going
to
get
they
had
one
repository
where
they
needed
to
know
how
much
grape
juice
they
needed
from
one
small
vendor
how
much
red
juice,
how
much
orange
juice.
A
C
A
If
you
can
make
that
a
blockchain,
I
will
laugh
at
you,
but
you
can
or
but
if
you
you
know,
the
whole
point
is:
if
there
are
many
companies
maintaining
their
own
databases,
their
own
systems
of
record,
whether
that's
in
in
koch's
case,
whether
that's
quickbooks,
because
some
small
vendor
is
using
quickbooks
another
vendor
might
be
using
their
own
proprietary
sap
implementation,
coca-cola
itself
uses
sap
and
fabric
for
something
all
of
these.
A
A
That's
that's
what
they're
doing
with
and
then,
if
you
can
do
that,
then
factors
can
come
in
and
say
well
I'll.
Give
you
a
lower
price
on
buying
that
supplier's
invoice,
because
I'm
confident
at
least
that
the
buyer
and
the
supplier
have
the
same
one.
Even
though
I
don't
have
access
to
the
buyer's
database.
C
A
So
that's
the
that's
the
key
to
the
pattern
right,
if
you,
if
you
have
data
that
you
can
share
liberally
or
if
you
can
get
a
bunch
of
companies
to
put
it
all
in
one
place,
then
good
on
you
that's
sas
or
it's
blockchain
or
it's
private
blockchain.
Although
at
that
point
I
will
laugh
at
you
for
trying
to
put
it
on
a
private
blockchain,
because
that's
kind
of
my
thing
to
laugh
at
people
that
do
private
blockchains.
F
F
You
know
schema
that
they
don't
really
need
to
do
that
anymore,
and
you
know,
and,
as
I
said
before,
you
know,
the
actual
construction
phase
will
work
on
that,
but
the
lenders
and
the
insurers
are
generally
outside
of
that
and
if
you
could
have
a
way
of
tying
all
of
them
together,
that
would
be
quite
powerful.
F
Just
because
you
know,
and
and
I'm
not
entirely
certain
as
to
how
much
you
know
time.
Loss
is
done
because
oh
we're
waiting
on
updated
plans
or
we're
waiting
on
a
construction
draw
or
we're
waiting
on
a
sign
off
from
the
building
department
and
we're
just
sitting
there
twiddling
our
thumbs.
Yeah.
A
F
So
I
don't
need
to
take
that
extra
time
to
actually
sit
back
and
go
and
compare
it
and
look
back
and
forth
and
okay,
you
know
you
would
be
able
to
have
that.
You
know
baseline,
true
baseline,
false
when
it
comes
to
that
you
know
this
set
of
drawings
or
this
you
know,
update
in
in
the
specs
matches
and
has
been
shared
amongst
the
entire
downstream
community.
C
Yeah,
that's
exactly
those
bring
up
some
good
points.
The
construction
industry
is
is
one
of
the
least
progressive.
In
the
way
of
businesses
I
mean
you
guys
are-
are
dealing
with
other
businesses
who
are
quite
on
top
of
that
stuff.
The
construction
industry
is,
you
know,
they're.
Literally,
writing.
A
Is
I
don't
think
we
can
help?
I
don't.
I
think
that
if
one
is
not
digitized
we're
we're
kind
of
out
of
the
game
there
right,
you
just
have
to
kind
of
again
make
fun
of
them
and
say:
look
join
us
in
the
21st
century.
Thank
you
and-
and
I
I
often
say,
look
if
you're
com,
if,
if
your
company
or
the
counterparty
you're
working
with
won't,
you
know,
doesn't
give
you
digital
information,
consider
stopping
working
with
them
because
they're
dangerous.
A
A
companies
that
don't
work
in
that
insist
on
continuing
to
work
in
paper,
need
to
be
considered
not
trustworthy
by
and
large,
and
so,
if
they're
already
digital,
and
then
I
think
that
what
we're
talking
about
plays
to
to
the
conservatism
of
the
of
the
community
of
your
community-
and
that
is,
if
they're,
they're,
conservative
but
digital
already,
they
don't
want
to
put
their
data
in
a
big
honeypot
run
by
someone
else.
They
want
their
own
databases.
A
That's
a
conservative
perspective.
Baselining
is
perfect
for
that,
because
you're
not
going
to
make
them
give
up
their
database
and
go
to
a
website
and
put
all
their
data
into
that
thing.
You
can
say
no
keep
your
database.
All
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
you're
running
this
little
bit
of
gear.
That
will
make
sure
that
the
data
in
your
database
is
consistent
and
following
the
correct
rules
with
everybody
else's.
E
So,
john
deputy,
let
me
just
get
use
that
drawing
you
know,
analytically,
right
and
you
know,
do
something
with
that.
So
in
engineering
projects
in
our
construction
projects
and
so
on,
instead
of
drawings,
is
generated
by
someone
right
and
then
that
is
okay
and
that
gets
approved
by
you
know
different
parties
down
the
line.
You
know
it
could
be
a
different
department,
engineering
department,
some
kind
of
regulatory
authority,
the
client
and
so
on.
Right.
The
the
construction
schedule
is
really
dependent
on
these
projects.
E
You
know
on
these
drawings
being
approved
down
the
line
right
so
now
you
let
us
say
that
you
want
to
have
proof
of
a
certain
set
of
drawings
being
generated
and
sent
to
the
next
party
down
the
line
who
might
be
in
a
completely
different
company
and
them
having
you
know,
signed
it
and
transmitting
it
to
the
next.
You
know
person
and
so
on
right.
E
So
essentially
you
want
to
have
proof
in
a
multi-party
environment
right
and
that's
again,
you
know
from
a
high
level
perspective
without
getting
into
the
details
of
how
to
do
it.
You
know
something
that
you
know
baseline
or
something
like
baseline
comes
in
to
help
right,
and
this
is
of
course
a
simple
example
right.
You
can
extrapolate
it
to
many
different
scenarios
in
projects.
You
know
like
the
bolting
example
right
or
welding
in
offshore
projects,
for
instance,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
set
of
specifications
developed
by
people.
E
You
know
certifications
for
the
welder.
You
know
wedding
plans.
All
of
these
things
come
together
when
it's
done.
All
of
these
things
are
done
by
different
parties
generated
by
them,
and
you
know
you
need
to
have
the
probability
of
where
each
of
each
set
of
information
came
from
and
who
generated
it,
and
so
on
right.
So
this
just
to
try
to
give
some
more
concrete
examples
with
what
we
are
talking
about.
F
Oh,
I
would
say
another
huge
one
would
be
within
the
construction
wraps
where
you
have
the
insurance
policy,
that's
governing
all
of
the
risk
transfer
for
the
police
for
the
project.
F
You
have
two
types:
you
have
oseps
owner
controlled
insurance
program
and
then
you
have
csets
contractor
controlled
insurance,
which
the
two
are
basically
almost
interchangeable.
It
just
depends
on
who
has
the
ultimate
ownership
of
it
and
how
those
actually
work
is
all
of
you've
got
builders
risk
insurance
for
the
structure
as
it's
being
built
or
if
you're
rehabbing
an
existing
structure.
F
All
of
the
fabricators
are
all
bound
in
together
in
this
large
wrapped
up
insurance
policy,
which
is
generally
the
broker,
pretty
much
administers
all
of
that
and
has
to
go
back
and
forth
to
make
sure
everybody
has
their
proper
insurance
certificates
up
to
date,
making
sure
that
they
have
all
the
proper
policy
forms
and
all
the
endorsements
to
it.
So
that's
one
thing
and
there's
not
really
a
universal
shared
platform
generally.
It's
I
think
they've
tried
to
do
this
over
the
over
over
time.
It's
just
that.
F
E
You
know
with
with
very
painful
process,
you
know,
arguments
around
tables
and
so
on.
A
F
E
A
I
I
see
there
were
about
five
minutes
from
the
top
of
the
hour,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
everybody
for
this
and
sonal.
It
was
really
great
to.
I
think
we
should
every
one
of
these,
or
at
least
most
of
the
time
we
should
be
having
somebody
from
a
real
situation
in
real
world
coming
and
talking
about
this.
So
we
can
elucidate
the
patterns
that
that
work
in
the
in
the
real
world
so
janet,
really
grateful.
You
came
on
and
talked
to
talk
about
this.
F
I
would
say
one
thing
janet:
to
brainstorm
on.
Is
there
a
common
platform?
Is
there
a
common
software
structure
that
all
of
these
people
right
now
and
you
know
what
would
it
take
to
put
something
like
that
together.
A
Is
it
isn't
there
a
a
universal
drawing
a
cad
spec
requirement
set
somewhere
or
a
standards
group.
D
Janet
would
you
like
to
give
last
words
on
the
topic
for
us
and
your
thoughts
from
the
discussion
today.
C
Sure
I
appreciate
everyone's
input.
I
I
like
the
different
viewpoints,
so
thank
you
for
having
me,
I
think,
baseline
protocol
is,
does
have
a
lot
of
good
direction
of
where
you
know
you
guys
are
headed,
and
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
overlap.
So
thank
you
for
your
input.
A
Thanks
janet
a
couple
of
topics,
one
that
came
up
that
that
I
it
struck
me
like
a
ton
of
bricks,
I'd
like
to
bring
up
and
and
put
on
the
record
for
anybody
out
there
that
wants
to
find
so
we
have
about
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
grant
money.
A
That
is
that
we
need
to
spend
before
the
end
of
the
year,
a
little
less
than
20..
We
have
a
game
called
battleship
that
we
want
to
build
or
finish.
I
should
say
several
people
have
started
it.
We
want
to
get
it
finished,
so
we'll
be
setting
up
a
grant
for
that
sonal's
working
on
that.
A
So
anybody
who
wants
to
work
on
building
the
zero
knowledge
battleship
game
using
baselining
as
the
way
for
I
for
me
to
be
able
to
say
yep,
you
missed
when
you
called
c4
without
giving
up
my
date
the
data
about
what
my
board
looks
like
right,
which
is
a
pretty
good
example
of
baselining
coordination
under
zero
knowledge.
A
We're
finishing
that!
We
want
to
finish
that
off
and
there's
an
opportunity
for
people
to
make
some
money
on
it.
So
be
aware
of
that,
and
you
can
reach
out
to
any
of
us,
go
to
baseline
protocol.org,
join
the
slack
channel,
get
in
touch
with
sonal
or
myself
or
any
of
the
other
crew
on
the
tsc,
and
we
should
be
able
to
get
you
into
that
grant
opportunity
which
is
in
our
in
our
repo
baseline
dash
grants.
A
F
A
A
E
A
Yeah,
I
just
thought
I'd
throw
that
out
there
and
another
thing
just
just
seeing
the
next
show
yeah
well
yeah.
I
I
know
that
face
from
ryan,
so
I'm
probably
full
of
and
he's
just
not
willing
to
tell
me
I'm
on
camera
yet
so
we'll
see,
maybe
I'm
maybe
I'm
smoking
something
but
yeah
we'll
see
anyway.
If
that
tickles
anybody's
fancy
and
you
you
know
that
maybe
that's
a
grant
project,
baselining,
github
or
baselining
git
interesting,
we
do
have
connectors.
A
You
know
whole
connectors,
folder
that
where
more
connectors
will
be
we'll
be
going
in
and
that's
my
clock
telling
me
that
we
are
the
time
is
up
it's
great
to
see
everybody
and
we'll
see
you
next
week
on
the
baseline
show
until
then
keep
on
baselining.