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The last Baseline Show of 2021 before we start an exciting new year in 2022.
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Date: December 15, 2021
A
B
Hey
everybody
it's
john
wolpert
and
the
baseline
crew.
Here
we've
got
more
and
more
folks
showing
up
it's
great
to
see
everybody.
Here's
our
co-chair,
samurai
kishore
cassamra,
I'm
so
glad
you
got
to
make
it.
This
is
just
a
fun
session.
There's
nothing
really
that
we
didn't
talk
about
last
week
in
sonal's,
awesome
end-of-year
review,
yeah
where's,
my
where's,
my
that's!
Not
it.
B
Sona's
awesome
interview
review,
I
thought
was
fantastic.
We
had
like
1500
views
of
the
thing
right.
You
know
just
in
a
few
days,
so
congratulations
on
that.
I
think
most
of
the
news
was
was
there?
I
you
know
there
and
now
we're
just
here
to
just
have
a
little
fun.
This
is
the
last
event
baseline
show
of
the
year,
we'll
start
up
in
the
first
second
week
of
next
of
january
again,
and
we're
going
to
have
a
huge
2022..
Why?
B
Because,
because
zero
coordination
under
zero
knowledge
is
a
thing,
it's
here,
it's
ready
and
we
can
do
it.
In
spite
of
what
my
friend
paul
brody
said
last
week
about
how
zero
knowledge
is
not
ready.
His
kind
of
zero
knowledge
on
chain
might
be,
you
know,
might
take
the
year,
but
I
think
what
we're
doing
already
is
very
implementable
and
something
that
makes
sense
to
companies
so
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
talk
about
that.
We're
gonna
have
a
little
bit
of
an
ama.
B
B
So
I
think
that
what
we're
going
to
see
in
2022
is
a
lot
more
competition.
I
was
just
on
the
phone
with
some
of
the
leaders
of
the
ea
open
standards,
body
and
and
and
other
folks
and
and
and
that
you
know
we
were
all
saying.
You
know
that
if
you
don't
have
competition
in
a
standard,
you
don't
have
a
standard.
B
D
Yes,
so
our
digital
ident,
decentralized
identity
grant
has
been
complete
at
least
half
complete
by
one
of
the
companies
involved.
Bishwashri's
part
two
of
her
excel
work
for
bri.
One
is
being
reviewed
right
now
to
be
merged
into
the
repo
and
then
some
of
our
other
core
devs
working
on
things
are
wrapping
up.
So
we'll
have
used
all
of
the
ef's
thousand
dollar
grant
chunk.
D
B
B
I
think
the
thing
I
love
most
about
the
community
right
now
and
I
really
hope
we
do
a
lot
more
of
it
in
the
new
year
is
the
practice
of
these
pair
programming
sessions.
They
were
self-organized,
I
didn't
push
them.
Samurai
didn't
push
them.
You
know
it
just
they
just
started
happening
with
a
lot
of
newcomers
that
we
hadn't
seen
before
they
did
it
on
their
own.
B
I
snuck
into
a
couple
of
them,
and
I
gotta
say
it
was
better
when
I
didn't
sneak
in
and
they
they're
very
verbose,
they're
doing
stuff,
it's
very
collaborative
I'd
love
to
see
more
of
that
stuff.
So
if,
if
we
were
to
start
a
another
project
like
that
and
a
bunch
of
core
devs
and
others
got
in
and
started
working
on
stuff,
now
that
we
have
the
did
work,
what
does
that
mean?
B
E
E
So
we
we
are
building
a
fully
standards,
compliant
reference
implementation,
not
only
compliant
to
the
baseline
specification,
but
also
to
the
to
other
standards
that
are
that
are
referenced
in
that
spec,
such
as
the
the
w3c
did,
and
fairfield
credential
and
the
the
the
citrine
method.
So
it's
like
there
there
are
there's,
there's
so
weird.
E
E
You
can
hook
into
into
a
a
public
network
that
generates
the
ids
and
which
means
you
can
you
can
utilize
that
now
directly
as
your
identification,
primitive
in
in
in
your
in
the
stack
in
the
reference
implementation
and
you
can
base,
for
example,
you
want
to
do
integration
with
with
oauth
2,
for
for
for
an
enterprise
go
for,
it
use
use
your
did
as
the
as
the
as
the
as
the
identifier
utilize
in
in
in
oauth2.
You
want
to
integrate
that
with
an
x509.
E
B
So
I
mean
that's
cool
right:
let's
break
it
down
even
more
barney
style
right.
What
okay!
So
I'm
starting
up
a
project,
a
baseline
project-
let's
say
let's
say
the
battleship
game,
which
is
awesome:
we
got
it
sonal.
Can
we
get
the
link
to
the
battleship
game?
Can
we
throw
that
up?
Can
you
find
that
and
also
andreas?
B
E
They
use
they
utilize
the
the
associated
keys
to
the
to
the
to
the
to
the
did
so,
for
example,
you
want
to
use
you
want
to
use
metamask
sure
do
that
submit
the
use,
use
your
use,
your
your
your
private
public,
key
pair
from
from
from
metamask
to
to
to
generate
that
to
generate
that
element.
That
is
perfectly
fine,
so
which
means
you
can
now
validate
anything
integrating
into
metamask.
E
B
E
Very
simple:
that's
what
what
the
what
the
what
the
service
section
and
the
document
is
is
for
that
is
that
you,
you
have
a
set
of
apis
that
you
want
me
to
connect
to
in
a
in
a
domain
that
I
control
very,
very
simple.
It's,
like
you,
put
those
those
those
end
points
into
into
the
into
your
your
the
document
that
you're
sending
to
to
to
the
to
the
did
element
server
that
now
runs
in
node.
That
now
runs
with
your
with
your
bri
stack
and
voila.
E
It's
it's!
It's
it's
on
chain,
it's
resolvable
and
you
can
do
that
not
only
for
yourself,
but
guess
what
you're
managing
manufacturing
plans
with
plc's,
that
that
are
that
are
highly
sensitive
and
you
have
10
000
of
them.
It's
one
transaction!
On
the
on
your
on
your
on
your
baseline
stack
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden
you
can
baseline
all
of
those
10
10.
F
F
So
if
I
have
a
bunch
of
service
technicians
and
I
have
a
warranty
environment,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
I
you
know:
should
there
be
a
warranty
claim
that
I've
deployed
the
proper
service
technician
or
the
service
technician
has
you
know
taken
a
look
at
it
and
I've
got
to
replace
whatever
it
is,
I'm
covering
under
the
warranty
and
so
having
the
actual
identity
of
the
technician
you
know
within
the
process.
Flow
is
very
useful.
Real
world
use
case
that
I
used
on.
F
This
was
one
that
we
had
done
for
healthcare
campuses
for
medical
industry,
representatives,
service
technicians,
sales,
representatives
that
need
to
be
in
different
areas
of
the
premises
of
a
healthcare
campus,
and
you
know
the
current
method
is
that
everybody
wears
these
plastic
badges
on
a
lanyard
around
their
neck
and
they
wanted
to
be
able
to
take
this
digital
and
so
that
you
could
have
it
on
your
phone,
because
it's
a
lot
more
secure
because
most
of
the
reps
are
keeping
these.
You
know
lanyards
of
credentials.
F
But
you
know
one
thing
that
was
really
attractive
to
the
people
sponsoring
this
use
case
was
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
revoke
those
so
that
anytime,
somebody,
you
know,
might
have
gone
rogue
or
had
their
credentials
compromised.
They
could,
you
know,
prove
or
at
least
be
removed
from
the
authentication
process,
so
that
was
you
know
one
of
the
use
cases
that
we
had
done
when
dids
were
really
starting
to
emerge.
F
So
I
mean
it's
it's
one
of
the
the
possibilities
are
pretty
compelling
because
it
attaches
it
to
the
presence
of
a
person
at
a
particular
space,
and
so,
if
you're
looking
at
warranty
claims
or
if
you
need
to
basically
say
I
want
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
only
restricted
individuals
that
have
their
you
know,
proper
permissions
or
specialized
knowledge
are
able
to
actually
assert
their
identity
and
that
it
be
accepted.
You
know
to
everyone
within
the
workflow,
my
two
cents.
F
B
Yeah,
I
really
like
to
have
a
cookbook
on
that.
I
thought
andres
did
a
good
job
explaining
it,
but
it
it
it
would
be
great
to
just.
I
was
just
baking
cookies
with
my
kids
yesterday
and
last
night
and
I
suck
at
following
those
kinds
of
directions,
but
I
I
did
manage
to
not
screw
it
up.
We
have
pretty
good
cookies,
it's
just
nice
to
say.
Okay,
here
are
the
ingredients.
Here's
how
you
put
them
together,
put
in
the
oven.
E
It's
that's
what
the
what
what
spruce
is
is
going
to
show
you
with
the
with
the
added,
because
there
there's
there
there
are
apis
for
that,
and
so
you
you'll
be
able
to
match
your
your
your
identifiers
within
the
context
of
a
compliant
baseline
implementation,
and
the
nice
thing
is,
you
can
use
your
your
because
it
because
the
because
did
element
is
ethereum
based.
Everything
is
on
a
on
the
same
chain
b.
You
can
utilize
your
your
your.
If
you
have
ethereum
keys,
you
can
continue
to
use
them.
B
B
B
Today
you
do
that
on
top
of
owning,
like
some
kind
of
quasi
stock
certificate.
In
that
thing
that
you're
arguing
about
it's
a
weird
place
to
be
so
I'm
just
going
to
let
that
I
think
somebody
was
saying
that
what's
the
elephant
in
the
room,
we've
got
some
combatants
now
who
have
competing
tokens.
I
don't
care,
I
think,
that's
for
them
to
work
out
and
actually
I'm
kind
of
excited
that
there
are
different
competing
things
that
are
going
to
be
competing
they're,
going
to
throw
some
mud
at
each
other.
B
So
when
you,
when
you've
said
something,
that's
not
cool
or
when
you've
had
somebody
say
something:
that's
not
cool
to
you.
Remember
that
we're
all
just
horrible
humans
and
that
and
that
when
we
get
afraid
we
tend
to
throw
stuff
at
each
other,
but
there's
nothing
to
throw
at
here.
This
is
a
standards
body
and
that's
why
we're
not
talking
about
the
specifics
of
it
and
honestly,
it's
a
little
too
early.
B
There's
a
there
was
a
new
announcement
by
one
of
the
one
of
the
companies
that
you
know
that
has
done
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
work
and
it
made
some
claims
about
another
company.
That's
done
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
work
and
all
of
that's
kind
of
falling
out.
I
don't
really
have
a
lot
to
say
about
it
yet
because
I
don't
understand
it,
I
read
one
of
the
papers
and
I
don't
understand
it
yet.
So
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
say.
B
So,
that's
why
we're
not
talking
about
it.
So
anybody
on
the
on
the
youtube
chat,
that's
saying:
why
aren't
they
talking
about
the
elephant
in
the
room?
That's
why?
Because
the
elephant
hasn't
really
it's
still
a
little
bit.
You
know
hidden
behind
the
back
of
the
stage,
I'm
not
sure
what
that
elephant
looks
like
yet.
So
I
hope
that's
a
good
enough
explanation.
C
B
I
think
the
thing
I'm
saddest
about
today
is
that
I
was
really
hoping
that
the
new
sponsor
that
we'd
had
the
press
release
out
on
the
new
sponsor.
It's
not
out
yet
so
I
can't
say
it.
It
drives
me
crazy,
but
it
is
here.
It's
done.
It's
confirmed.
We
just
have
to
get
it,
get
the
press
release
out
before
we
talk
about
it.
B
G
H
So
so
for
base
ledger,
mainly,
it
is
what
we
also
presented
at
last
week's
general
assembly.
So
the
the
biggest
step
forward
in
our
understanding
is
the
installment
of
the
race
ledger
governance
body,
and
it
also
refers
to
what
you
earlier
mentioned
in
terms
of
pair
programming
or
alignment
or
even
the
blips.
H
I
just
thought
about
that.
There
are
very,
very
many
parallels
between
these
concepts,
so,
for
example,
with
base
ledger,
it
came
out
of
a
development
driven
by
by
companies
that
are
like
unibright
that
are
involved
in
the
baseline
protocol.
But
of
course,
if
you
are
talking
about
a
blockchain
on
enterprise
level,
then
you
also
have
to
act
professionally
on
an
enterprise
level,
and
this
includes
that
decisions
that
have
impact
on
all
users
on
the
complete
ecosystem
are
also
handled
and
communicated
professionally.
H
H
Yeah
exactly
exactly,
but
this
was
more
driven
coming
from
the
university
and
it
was
our
style
so
and
when
we
got
a
little
bit
more
successful
and
the
projects
got
bigger,
we
also
did
that
at
the
clients
at
the
company's
work.
So
we
sat
together
in
front
of
one
computer
when
we,
when
we
did
the
architecture
things
and
really
did
it
together,
and
we
really
had
some
discussions
with
clients.
Why
would
they
pay
both
of
us?
H
If
only
one
is
typing
in
the
keyboard
and
the
other
one
is
just
assisting
them
and
we
really
had
some.
Let's
say
we
had
to
find
some
arguments
for
them.
Hey
look.
Take.
Take,
give
us
a
little
bit
of
time.
Take
like
two
or
three
weeks.
Let
us
do
the
architecture
together
in
a
team,
even
if
only
one
person
at
a
time
is
writing
or
coding,
it
will
affect
the
general
understanding
of
how
the
project
should
work
and
all
clients.
H
I
I
can
say
that
for
for
martin
and
me
there
was
not
one
single
client
who
was
like,
after
some
weeks,
still
thinking
that
this
was
wasted
time.
They
all
try
to
insist
on
that.
The
team
does
this
over
and
over
again
in
in
some
pair
sessions,
and
for
me
the
blips
in
in
baseline
are
comparable.
They
are
also
inviting
a
community
to
work
on
simple
examples,
like
blip
six
or
on
discussions.
Where
do
we
need
zero
knowledge,
proof
or
ccsm,
like
blip
one
or
the
great
battleship
example?
H
G
Yeah,
whatever
no
these,
these
are
great
great
great
sum
up
of
what
we
are
up,
and
apart
from
that,
of
course,
we're
waiting
for
santa
claus
to
bring
some
great
presents,
which
we
were
obviously
present
to
everyone
in
the
next
show.
So
I
guess
there's
something
in
for
base
ledger
and
the
ecosystem
as
well.
Hopefully,
if
we
all
behave,
then
we
might
get
some
presents.
B
Well,
like
I
think
the
net
of
that
is
that
you
guys
are
have
set
up.
You
know
that
you're
now
into
your
phase
of
of
having
dissent.
You
know
really
accelerating
your
decentralization
and
getting
a
bunch
of
other
companies,
and
I
know
that
you
know
it
can
confirm
the
consensus.
Mesh
is
gonna,
run
an
ode
and
do
all
that
stuff
and-
and
we're
excited
about
that,
we
do
that
yeah.
We've
done
a
lot
of
those
sorts
of
things.
B
G
In
q1,
if,
if
everything
works
as
planned,
then
we
hopefully
see
client
onboarding
in
q1,
but
latest,
I
would
see
them
in
q2,
and
apart
from
that,
I
wanted
to
to
add
about
the
whole
decentralization
discussion
that
I
had
to
talk
to
one
of
our
lawyers
this
morning
and
everything
about
decentralization
is
becoming
vitally
important
to
the
enterprise
customers
as
well,
so
we
are-
or
she
was
she's
planning
on
more
in
an
illegal
paper
about
decentralization
how
to
judge
projects
whether
they
are
decentralized
or
what
does
it
even
mean?
What
are
the
metrics?
G
B
Right
on
yeah,
I
think
that's
good
and
you
know
I've
always
I
come
very
slowly
to
trust
in
any
of
those
kinds
of
things
right.
You
know
that
the
chains
are.
I
remember.
I
was
talking
to
the
head
of
chain
link
about
two
years
ago
two
three
years
ago
and
I
was
just
like
I
don't
get
it
yeah
and
he
just
very
calmly
explained
things
to
me
and
it
took,
but
it
took,
I
told
him
later.
I
said
it
took
me
six
or
eight
months
to
trust
you
at
all.
B
Just
because
I
didn't
know
what
kind
of
skin
you
had
in
the
game
like
what
what
you
know,
what
what
dog
you
had
in
the
hunt
as
it
were,
what
was
what
were
your
motivations?
So
I
that's
one
odd
thing
about
all
these
projects
out.
There
is
how
much
more
time,
those
of
us
who
want
to
make
sure
we're
law
abiding.
B
You
know
careful
folks,
take
to
become
trustful
of
of
the
work,
but
I've
I've
you
guys
have
always
been
straight
shooters
with
us.
Okay,
so
that's
that's
good
to
hear
hey
jack!
I
know
you
got
an
announcement
about
something
you
said.
I
think
I
read
that
you're
going
to
have
something
up
on
the
first
of
january.
A
Yeah
very
good
yeah.
Obviously
we
have
released
a
proposal
of
a
white
paper.
Yesterday
we
asked
the
greater
community
to
just
take
some
time
to
actually
digest
that
and
really
understand
some
of
the
key
points
and
reasoning
for
the
proposal
itself
and
some
of
the
fundamental
reasons
of
which
we're
looking
to
pursue
this
strategy.
Overall
yeah,
we
again
we've
continued
to
go
ahead.
B
But
did
you
right
on
and
it's
and
so
you're
clarifying
it's
a
it's
a
proposal,
white
paper
proposal,
not
an
actual
white
paper.
That's
I
didn't
know
that.
That's
good!
What
is
what
is
the
I
could
have
sworn.
I
read
something
about
something
that
you're
going
to
be
having
that
you're
going
to
put
up
on
the
1st
january.
What
was
that
so.
A
That's
the
intention,
as
of
currently
we're
continuously
working
through
some
of
the
overall
architecture
and
kind
of
putting
some
final
states
into
building
out
the
governance
structure.
For
that
thus
far,
though,
we've
had
really
a
warm
understanding
and
welcoming
from
many
of
the
organizations
that
we're
working
with
relative
to
kind
of
the
open
structure
openly
governed
network
that
we're
proposing
here
yeah.
A
We
continue
to
press
on
with
the
organizations
that
we've
been
building
with
throughout
the
course
of
this
year,
we're
getting
very
close
to
going
live
with
kona,
as
well
as
moving
a
number
of
other
organizations
into
production
moving
into
q1,
many
of
which
have
been
articulated
in
the
past
and
were
kind
of
working
to
to
finalize
the
project
scope
for
a
number
of
mvps
that
we're
expecting
to
take
flight
in
q1
and
so
yeah.
We're
very
we're
very
much
excited
with
the
progression
that
we've
been
we've
had
through
the
end
of
the
year.
A
The
team
has
been
heads
down,
building
very
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
launched
shuttle
as
a
beta
version
for
the
month
of
december
and
hold
our
commitment
to
doing
that.
We
feel
very
confident
that
that
will
be
prepared.
I
just
saw
a
demo
executed
internally
with
the
team
that
showed
a
lot
of
confidence
internally.
A
A
E
B
A
There's
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
has
gone
into
the
configuration
of
the
circuits
to
be
able
to
drag
and
drop
them
and
be
able
to
keep
the
entanglement
in
line,
but
still
be
able
to
do
certain
type
of
configurations
throughout
the
course
of
a
a
work
process
or
work
steps
themselves.
And
so
there's
been
some
final
pieces
that
we've
been
buttoning
up
from
that
perspective.
A
B
A
A
And
john,
there
was
a
recent
system
that
we
just
recently
synchronized
a
new
one
that
we're
very
much
looking
forward
to
bringing
forth
to
the
community
and
just
another
piece
of
work
that
we
have
been
have
had
in
flight
through
the
last
six
months.
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
showing
a
new
system
that
has
yet
to
be
baseline
and
synchronized
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
forward
to
the
community.
So.
B
Well,
it's
great
to
see
work
from
many
different
companies.
You
know
I'm
glad
to
see
the
two
of
you
guys
on
I'd
like
to
say
I
sonal.
I
love
the
fact
that
we
have
such
a
great
representation
from
the
gnark
and
and
consensus
csi
team
at
the
on
the
core
devs
call
this
week
and
I
expect
that's
going
to
continue.
B
I
really
think
that
now
that
we've
clarified
the
idea
of
zero
knowledge
coordination,
commercial
products
like
and
offerings
like
that
are
hopping
in
and
can
see
a
path
forward
to
making
some
money.
So
I
think
that's
that's
really
good
to
to
see
happening.
Speaking
of
making
money
we
we
will
be
announcing.
We
will
be
releasing
my
project
tree
trunk
nft,
which
uses
the
baseline
protocol
approach
for
zero
knowledge,
nfts
tree
trunk,
dot,
io
and
we
are
gonna-
be
either
announcement.
B
B
We're
going
to
be
announcing
tree
trunk
at
that
time
and
enbridge,
which
is
the
other
consensus
spin
out
that
is
based
on
baselining
and
under
defy,
is,
is
also
steaming
along
to
a
an
exciting
new
year,
with
operating
under
commercial,
so
they're
actually
already
running
funds
and
doing
all
sorts
of
cool
stuff.
So
those
are
our
our
projects
and
I
think,
ey
and
mentioned
some
stuff.
B
D
Nope,
I
think
the
court
of
involvement
was
what
I
wanted
to
mention
as
well.
We
have
people
from
various
companies
joining
each
session
and
involved
and
getting
involved
or
trying
to
figure
out
how
their
companies
can
integrate
and
add
value
to
baseline.
So
that's
been
super
exciting.
I'm
very
excited
to
have
the
representation
from
different
companies
in
our
courthouse,
as
well
as
tsc,
and
have
the
groups
work
together
in
early
2022
to
outline
our
next
roadmap.
B
Right
on
I
got
nothing
else,
shall
we
shall
we?
I
wanted
to
have
a
big
scroller
of
all
the
people
to
thank
and
I
wanted
to
play
jingle
bells,
and
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
festive
show
today,
but
then
I
got
covered
and
and
then
my
wife
got
copied
and
I've
been
taking
care
of
the
kids
while
she's
been
in
isolation.
I
just
didn't.
I
didn't
get
it
done,
I'm
sorry
about
that.
But
you
know
we
can
all
sing.
B
C
It's
getting
cold,
so
india
is
like
a
mini
continent
right.
So
you
can
never
ask
what's
the
season
in
india
because
you
know,
while
I'm,
while
I'm
wearing
two
layers,
there
may
be
people
sweating
out
there
in
the
southern
part
of
india
so
but
in
delhi
it's
getting
cold,
where
I
am
so
yeah
it's
it's!
It's
an
interesting
time,
interesting,
festival,
time.
C
Oh
so
I
think
we
had
we
had
tons
of
fun
which
which
just
went
out
you
know
with
diwali,
etc.
So
I'm
a
north
indian.
So
no
not
part
of
india
is
largely
diwali
and
some
small
festivals
around
it.
But
then
so
so
it's
like
you
know
if
you
were
to
take
a
marshmallow
test.
People
in
the
west
sort
of
wait
out,
wait
it
out
until
the
end
of
the
year.
You
know
we
indians
sort
of
they.
C
Just
they
just
have
fun
in
november,
when
diwali
is
mostly
depending
on
the
moon,
etc.
So
so
yeah
we
I
I
thoroughly
enjoyed
that
time
and
this
time
I
think.
Of
course,
a
lot
of
activity
has
calmed
down.
A
couple
of
my
projects
have
also
calmed
down.
One
of
my
positions,
constructivism
has
been
followed
so
yeah.
I
I
will
have
a
lot
of
disposable
time.
So,
let's
see,
let's
see
what
what
I
do
this
time.
C
Oh,
this
was
very
interesting,
so
yeah
andreas
was
also
there
and
thank
you
for
the
support
in
this
so
yeah.
The
eea
introduction
went
very
well.
I
actually
could
turn
on
my
camera
just
to
talk
about
that
one
before
we
wrapped
up
so
the
event
went
very
well.
Of
course
the
turnout
was
not
that
good,
but
I've
seen
the
videos
are
viewed
a
lot
and
plus
you
know
in
principle.
You
know
we
can't
compare
to
youtubers
right
in
terms
of
views
etc
and
people
attending
our
show
so
so,
but
yeah.
D
C
Yes,
so
we
I
will
be
hosting
it
this
saturday,
so
last
show
of
the
season.
As
john
said,
so
this
one
happens
to
be
for
the
west
and
the
coming
saturday
is
going
to
be
the
last
one
for
for
india,
because
then
you
know
people
start
traveling
and
then
it
is
absolutely
impossible
to
to
get
somebody
for
for
a
speaker
or
even
to
get
them
to
listen
to
us.
So
there's
no
point,
you
know
so
and
then
we'll
resume
again
in
the
first
week
of
jan.
C
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
there
are
actually
two
people
lined
up.
I
will
so
depending
on
their
availability
I'll
finalize
tomorrow.
One
is
md
with
accenture
yeah
and
he
has
he
has
about
five
patents,
three
of
which
are
blockchain.
Patents
he's
currently
the
lead
of
control,
tower
advisory,
doing
big
and
the
other
one
is.
You
know
I
tried
to
align
him
actually,
since
a
long
time
he's
the
head
of
data
analytics
for
apollo
tires,
which
is
a
big
listed
entity.
C
It's
probably
the
biggest
admin
catching
so
the
so
he
he's
currently
in
amsterdam
working
on
a
big
transition
project,
and
you
know
he
was
not
finding
time
plus.
Then
we
were
also
doing
some
dates,
so
I
said
I'll
probably
call
you
when
we
have
big
updates
to
discuss
so
yeah,
so
these
amongst
these
two
speakers,
will
have
one
of
them.
D
B
B
If
things
go
right
and
I
I
should
like
to
see
a
lot
of
cyber
companies
involved
in
baseline,
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
the
heads
of
a
standards
body
on
zero
knowledge,
proofs,
there's
an
entirely
different
standards
body
on
zero
knowledge,
bruce
they're
like
hey.
How
do
you
like
oasis,
I
love
oasis,
you
should
come
in
your
sister
come
project,
so
I
think
the
story
is
cyber
right.
The
story
is
hey,
we
gotta
coordinate
and
we
don't
like
the
kind
of
leakiness
that
is
involved
in
coordinating
across
company
lines.
B
It's
a
cyber
story,
so
cyber
companies,
folks,
like
you
know,
I
call
eric
breivik
and
our
you
know.
Who
is
one
of
the
founding
team
members
on
on
baseline
and
is
now
on
on
nbridge
and
has
done
amazing
things.
I
I've
been
thinking
about
him.
A
lot
because
he's
you
know
a
big
big
person
in
cyber
yeah.
I
think
that's
that's
a
big
place
where
and
those
companies
haven't
been,
as
involved,
we've
had
more
of
the
blockchain.
B
It's
just
my
point
of
view
personally
as
a
combatant
myself,
and
I
always
try
to
make
sure
people
understand
that
right,
you
know
just
because
I
love
my
baby
doesn't
mean,
I
think
your
baby's
ugly,
even
if
that
might
be
not,
though
I
mean
babies,
are
ugly.
Let's
just
be
honest,
babies
are
super
ugly.
A
To
that
point,
john
many
of
the
organizations
that
we're
still
working
or
that
we
are
working
with
have
shared
that
sentiment
as
far
as
the
exit
and
moving
to
ethereum
and
settling
there.
That
continues
to
be
the
resounding
desire.
As
far
as
from
the
certifications
that
we
have
been
working
with,
we
continue
to
see
a
desire
to
to
work
to
build
in
the
direction
with
exiting
on
ethereum.
B
Well,
good
good
on
you,
but
I
gotta
say
what
I'm
trying
to
signal
here
is,
while
I
might
make
fun
of
you
for
not
doing
things
the
way
I
want
you
to
do
it,
the
standard
doesn't,
isn't
me
and
it's
not
any
anybody
else
in
the
room.
It's
a
it's
a
standard.
It's
written
down,
it's
pretty
dry,
it's
pretty
boring
and
as
long
as
one
adheres
to
the
standard
or
needs
to
change
the
standard,
then
that
gets
done.
B
Read
the
standard
so,
and
I
think
that
if
many
other
state
machines
and
other
ways
of
doing
it,
I
love
the
fact
that
we
just
got
kafka
on
a
project
right
instead
of
gnats.
Only
not
that
I
like
latin
gnats.
In
fact,
generally
people
thought
that
mass
was
easier
to
work
with,
but
a
lot
of
people
use
kafka.
So
isn't
it
great
that
we
have
a
kafka
project
now
the
kafka
that
we've
actually
implemented
kafka
I
mean,
does
it
seem
to
you
guys
that
a
good
place
to
actually
implement
like?
B
Why
not
have
a
you
know.
You
know
kafka
or
nats,
be
the
pla
the
way
I
deliver
this
stuff
right,
you
install
kafka,
you
have
you
are
mostly
baselined
or
you
can
start
baselining,
because
kafka's
got
those
features
in
it,
be
a
perfectly
in
good
insertion,
point
messaging
protocols,
security
systems
and,
of
course,
platforms
like
sap
and
dynamics
and
that's
sweet
all
right.
Those
are
all
places
where
you
can
just
include
the
parts
that
you
need.
B
B
So
that's,
I
think,
that's
where
I
think
2022
goes
is
just
real
practical
implementations
like
what
we
saw
with
the
the
ri
16,
the
the
the
two
different
excel
spreadsheet
projects,
which
I
love,
because
they
they
really
took
very
different
approaches
right.
One
was
trying
to
maintain
state,
manage
state
changes
to
a
single
document
and
the
other
was
you
know:
multi-part
multi,
multiple
work
steps,
and
I
thought
that
was
really
a
great
way
of
showing
that
you
know
different
ways
of
approaching
the
problem
and
then,
of
course,
the
battleship
project.
B
So
the
more
we
have,
those
things
and
the
more
we
say:
okay,
ceo,
so
so,
sam
right
as
you're
talking
to
folks
there
in
in
in
your
part
of
the
world
and
elsewhere.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
the
story,
jack.
I
think
you
could
build
a
whole
business
on
this
right
and
say:
hey
cyber
cooperation
collaboration.
B
F
It's
a
story
that
sells
mainly
because-
and
I've
been
discussing
this
with
a
lot
of
you
know,
friends
that
I
have
within
cyber
security,
and
they
all
find
you
know
what
they
find
most
attractive
is.
You
know,
speaks
to.
One
of
the
central
tenets
of
cyber
security
is
that
data
at
rest
is
a
lot
more
secure
than
data
in
motion
and
with
baseline.
Your
data
stays
largely
at
rest,
and
so
it
is
like
less
likely
you're
going
to
have
the
leakage
or
breadcrumbs
or
anything
like
that.
F
So
we
are
getting
a
lot
of
attention
right
now,
just
you
know,
because
it
speaks
to
that
basic
tenant
which
it
was
simple.
You
know
to
explain
as
a
concept
but
isn't
quite
as
easy
to
implement
within
a
process
environment,
because
you
do
need
that
sharing
of
data,
but
we
need
to
basically
make
sure
that
the
data
stays
you
know
in
its
own
respective
playground,
and
we
can
basically
you
know,
sync
it
you
know
from
an
additional,
you
know
kind
of
extension.
F
It
is
so
overwhelmed
right
now
between
strokes,
friedberg
and
crowdstrike,
who
are
seem
to
be
the
two
main
players
within
cyber
security,
specifically
the
forensic
and
the
cleanup
post
breach.
These
guys,
I
mean
it's.
They
are
both
begging
for
new
entrants
into
the
cyber
security
space,
especially
with
forensics,
because
you
know
just
given
the
proliferation
of
of
security
breaches
out
there.
It's
gotten
a
lot
of
people,
you
know
justifiably
nervous.
F
A
lot
of
cisos
are
staying
awake
at
night,
but
there
just
is
not
the
talent
out
there.
Enough
to
you
know,
really
address
the
the
persistent
problem,
and
so
you
have
another
method
that
actually
reduces
the
exposure
to
that
problem.
All
the
better,
so
baseline
is
getting
a
lot
of
attention
along
those
lines.
B
C
B
B
B
That's
how
we
did
it
back
in
the
old
days.
That's
still
a
good
way
of
making
money
so
enjoy
your
tokens,
but
make
sure
that
they're
all
based
on
people
getting
real
value
and
and
let's
let's
go
get
some
some
customers
paying
money
for
real
things
that
they
need,
and
with
that
I
wish
I
had
a
christmas
song
teed
up,
but
I
don't
so
samrat.
I
think
you
should
sing
us
out.