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A
Hey
everybody
nice
to
see
you
all
here
we
are
again
it's
wednesday
noon
and.
B
A
Are
on
the
baseline,
I'm
john
walpert,
and
I'm
the
chair
of
the
dsc
for
the
technical
steering
committee
for
the
baseline
protocol
standards
team
at
our
organization-
and
here
we
have
our
our
friends
and
family
from
the
baseline
community
got
nick
got
bob
got
mark,
got
boris,
got
dhruv,
you've
got
ryan
and
mohan.
It's
good
to
see
you
all
and
it
looks
like
more
people
are
coming
in.
A
There's
jeff
garvin
coming
and
it's
been
a
great
week
for
baselining
lots
of
stuff
going
on
some
things
that
I
wish
I
I
could
say
more
about,
but
they're
still
cooking.
So
as
always,
this
is
our
our
sort
of
official
office
hours.
You
should
very
quickly,
speaking
of
which
slack
the
community
about
that.
Just
give
me
one.
Second.
A
A
A
So,
if
for
those
who
are
tuning
in
don't
know
about
baseline,
too
much
go
to
baseline
dash,
protocol.org
and
you'll
find
all
the
links
to
the
goodness
of
baselining
and
what
it
is,
what
it
isn't
docs.baselineprotocol.org
is
is
is
where
all
of
our
documentation
is
and
and
then
every
week
we
have
this
public
forum
for
anybody
that
needs
help
with
with
getting
involved
with
working
with
the
protocol,
with
with
helping
on
the
standards
team
or
with
with
implementation
details
with
the
actual
code.
A
So
with
that
hi
bishwashree,
I'd
like
to
oh
I'll,
say
it's
great
to
have
folks
from
india
on
the
on
the
call,
and
I
I
hear
that
we
might
be
putting
up
a
baseline
chapter
in
india,
with
with
a
with
a
baseline
show
of
its
own
at
a
time
that
actually
works
for
india.
A
Right,
well,
I
I
it'd
be
great.
If
you
guys
can
work
together,
it'd
be
super
and
there's
some
really
great
indian
companies
that
are
now
getting
involved.
So
you
should
be
able
to
get
the
notable
names
and
and
participation
from
their
employees
as
well.
A
That's
how
you
know
I
I
go
on
youtube
sometimes,
and
I
like
looking
to
look
up
things
like
sap
or
or
you
know,
other
other
erp
systems
or
edi,
and
it's
always
an
indian
firm.
You
know
explaining
stuff,
so
indian
solutions
firms
have
been
leaders
in
in
the
field
in
general,
jack,
I'm
sure
you'd
agree.
So
it's
it's
only
right
natural
that
the
baseline
protocol
stacks
start
getting
leadership
from
that
part
of
the
world.
So
it's
good
to
have
you
guys.
D
Yeah
and
I'll
just
say
that
summer
and
our
team
are
working
together
on
a
couple
of
other
kind
of
side
projects
that
involve
implementing
baseline.
So
it's
the
india
thing
is
on
fire.
A
I
hope
by
the
way,
I
hope
everything
is
well
with
all
of
our
friends
and
family
in
india.
I
know
it's
a
tough
time
for
you
guys
still
vishwashree
how
things
are.
How
are
things
going
over
there.
C
A
Well,
we'll
be
thinking
of
you
and
please
stay
safe,
okay.
C
A
A
A
There's
one
or
two
bounties
already
up
in
there
and
we'll
probably
be
putting
those
out
through
git
coin
and
funding
them
typical
grant
or
bounty
can
be
anything
below
ten
thousand
dollars.
Although
for
very,
very
special
projects,
we
can
go
above
that
and
so
yeah.
Anybody
that's
tuning
in
that
wants
to
get
in
on
that
action.
Please
go
to
the
site
or
or
get
on
and
get
on.
Our
slack
tell
us
about
the
project
you
want
to
do
and
and
get
the
process
going.
Bishwashery
in
fact,
has
done
that.
A
C
Yeah
so
currently,
I'm
working
with
kyle
and
trying
to
like
understand
how
the
protocol
messages
are
sent
in
the
baseline,
and
I
have
also
started
designing
the
excel
add-in.
So
that's
the
first
part
that
I'm
currently
working
on.
C
Yeah,
so
I'm
working
on
the
persistent
packet
so
in
the
persistence
package,
I'm
first
working
on
creating
an
excel
add-in
for
baselining,
so
my
grant
it
covered
two
system,
so
one
was
excel
and
the
other
one
was
oracle
database.
A
So
you're
baselining
a
a
record
between
or
records
between,
an
oracle
database
and
an
excel
spreadsheet.
C
A
C
What
the
end
sort
of
like
the
presentation,
the
demo,
that
I
give
that
what
it
should
look
like,
but
guys
so
the
plugin
that
I'm
creating
that
can
be
used
by
any
anyone
who
wants
to
start
baselining.
So
not
necessarily
just
the
implementation,
I'm
showing
the
plug-in
can
be
available
to
anyone.
C
So
currently
the
one
I'm
creating
is
only
for
excel,
so
it's
sort
of
an
add-in
inside
access
that
you
can
add
and
use
with
your
stack
that
you're
currently
using
for
baseline.
A
Really
yeah,
so
that
would
be
awesome
that
so
today
you
can
use
there's
a
pretty
ready
way
of
doing
sap
of
baselining
dynamics,
a
google
spreadsheet
and
now
after
your
work
is
done
also
excel
people
forget
I
mean
you
know
excel
spreadsheets
or
spreadsheets
or
databases,
and
you
know
you
can
take
a
row
in
a
in
a
table
and
and
baseline
it.
Although
you
know
it's
probably
a
little
riskier
than
in
say
a
proper
sap
implementation,
but
you
could
do
it.
How
are
you
going
to
lock
out
a
user
is?
A
Is
there
a
way
of
in
excel
to
control?
For
you
know,
accidental
user
tripping
over
a
row
in
a
cell
in
a
row
and
debasing
them,
you
know
debasing
the
record.
C
So
currently,
the
way
I'm
working
with
file
is
that
first,
you
have
to
log
in
and
then
only
authorized.
Users
then
can
make
changes
to
the
spreadsheet,
and
then
that
will
get
baselined.
A
C
Yeah
yeah
that
that
can
also
be
done,
like
you
receive
a
message
that
this
record
has
been
chased
and
then
using
conditional
formatting,
we
can
ensure
that
that
record,
whatever
is
getting
changed.
It
gets
highlighted
for
the
user.
A
Would
you
have
to
have
a
a
column
designated
for
the
counterparty
and
would
the
with
that
you
know
in
the
baseline
loop?
Would
that
generate
that
data
into
that
into
that
cell,
or
is
there
some
other
way
that
you
would
you
know
so
that
when
you're
looking
at
it,
you
know
that
you
know
like
almost
a
mouse
over?
You
know
that
your
baseline
with
so
and
so,
how
would
that
work.
C
So
you're
asking
whether,
by
like
with
the
spreadsheet,
just
by
looking
at
the
spreadsheet,
are
we
able
to
tell
whom
it
is
baseline
with
or
not?
Is
that
what
you're
asking.
A
C
Usually
because
so
how
it's
currently
working
is
that
there
is
in
the
plug-in
there
is
a
login,
and
in
that
login
you
have
to
add
the
jwt
so
that
you
are
then
added
to
a
specific
work
group
and
then
inside
that
all
these,
like
changes
in
the
sheets
are
updated
and
or
added
or
whatever
is
the
whole
table.
Gonna.
A
Be
part
of
that
work
group
and
then
like
row,
one
is
between
you
and
me
and
row
two
is
between
you
and
jack
and
roach
three
is
between
you
and
boris,
so
that
you
know.
E
C
So
currently,
what
my
understanding
was
of
that
the
entire
table
needed
to
be
baselined
with
the
counterparty's
records?
That's
what
my
understanding
was,
but
in
case,
if
it
is
only
specific
columns
that
need
to
be
baseline,
then
there
are
stills
like
it
can
be
more
customized
in
that
way
that
I
can
create
specific
bindings
with
columns
and
then
ensure
that
only
that
gets
baselined.
A
A
Between
you
and
me
and
here's
an
invoice
between
me
and
jack
and
here's
an
invoice
between
me
and
nick
nick
and
me
and
and
in
that
in
in
the
table,
I
don't
want
a
baseline
with
everybody.
I
just
want
each
row
to
be
baselined
with
my
counterparty
with
each
row
being
a
representation
of
of
a
different
invoice
until.
C
So
if,
if
that
is
the
case,
then
it
can
be
made
that
way.
Actually
I
do
not
have
this
understanding
that,
like
specific
records,
will
only
be
baseline
with,
like
specific
counterparties,.
D
It's
kind
of
interesting
that
the
there's
two
two
audiences,
the
enterprise
audience
and
the
spreadsheet
audience
and
the
spreadsheet
audience
is
just
as
valid
as
the
enterprise
audience.
If
we
can
make
you
know
baseline
work
between
spreadsheets,
we
can
deal
with
anything.
A
And
nobody
does
nobody
uses
spreadsheets
more
than
enterprises,
so
there's
that
too,
but
you're
right
yeah.
So.
B
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
too,
that
enterprises-
still
you
use
quite
a
bit
of
spreadsheets
and
smaller
banks,
especially
will
pretty
much
complete
a
trade
in
a
spreadsheet
or.
D
A
B
A
Well,
we've
seen
our
friends
from
microsoft,
who
are
often
here
not
today,
but
you
know,
kale
will
tell
you
that
excel
is,
is
a
database
and
and
not
a
trivial
one
like
a
pretty
seriously
well-built
database.
D
I
mean
I
started
using
spreadsheets
with
merger
and
acquisition
activity
in
the
80s.
You
know
so
you
know
using
spreadsheets
to
model
your
business
to
forecast
to
run
different
scenarios.
That's
a
normal
business.
You
know
use
of
spreadsheets,
so
especially
at
the
departmental
level.
You
know
they
got
to
get
stuff
done
and
sometimes
the
only
way
you
can
do
that
is
with
a
spreadsheet.
A
E
Hey
good
as
sorry
as
my
microphone
was
not
working,
so
I
had
to
go
through
reboot.
This
is
very
interesting.
I
I
have
some
questions
with
respect
to
excel
on
a
project
that
we're
I'm
thinking
of
so
you
know
I
could
ask
it
whenever
you
guys
have
time.
E
So
I
think
this
question
was
brought
up
once
before,
where
you
had
mentioned
whether
it
was
air
table
or
excel.
You
wanted
to
be
able
to.
A
A
E
E
Oh
okay,
yeah,
if
you
have
seen
on
the
vendor
spreadsheet,
would
you
have
basically
multiple
customers
listed,
and
so,
when
you're
talking
about
baselining,
you
want
to
be
able
to
kind
of
say:
okay
here
I
have
a
row
and
it
indicates
my
customer
email
or
I
whatever
and
then
so
that
record
is
that
record
is
going
to
be
baseline.
With
respect
to
that
particular
customer,
I
mean
how
what's
your
what's
your
thoughts
on
what
is
what
the
notion
of
baseline
is
with
respect
to.
E
C
So
currently,
the
understanding
that
I
have
is,
I
think,
it's
very
like
rudimentary,
but
what
I
am
seeing
is
that,
like
one
sheet
in
a
workbook
is
corresponds
to
one
particular
counterparty
so.
A
Right
now
so
so
what
would
the
use
case
be
behind
that,
where
you'd
want
a
whole
a
whole
table
baseline
with,
with
a
with
a
counterparty.
D
A
Right,
but
in
we
usually
think
about
I
mean
you:
can
state
hatch
a
whole
database.
That's
fine
right,
but
we
usually
think
about
like
a
row
in
a
table
whether
that's
a
sql
table
or
or
or
something
else
right
that
that
row,
it's
a
record
and
that
record
needs
to
be
baselined
and
not
the
entire
sql
database.
G
G
A
A
call
from
the
government
not
that
long
ago
and
they're
like
yeah
we've
got
all
these
private
public
partnerships
and
their
catalogs
and
our
and
our
and
what
we
put
on
our
website
or
not
are
not
verifiably
identical
and
it
gets
us
into
a
lot
of
trouble
and
yeah.
I
mean
like
they're
like.
Can
we
baseline
that
and
the
satisfying
answer
was
yep.
G
Yeah
when
we
first
started
the
baseline
journey,
you
know
I
went
back
to
my
my
oop
days
and-
and
you
know
even
you
know,
objects
and
databases,
and
things
like
that
right.
If
you
could
define
the
object,
you
could
effectively
baseline
the
whole
object
right,
whether
it's
a
contract
or
not
just
a
row
or
a
cell,
if
you're
talking
spreadsheets
and
databases,
but
it
could
be
a
customer
object
or
you
know
who
knows
what
else
frankly.
A
A
All
right
so
so
so
dishwasher
stuff
to
think
about.
I'm
glad
you!
You
came
on
the
show
today
because
you
know
maybe
there's
there's
something
to
think
about
and
all
that,
but
we're
pretty
excited
about
seeing
the
result
and
having
yeah
having
a
link
to
being
able
to
baseline
excel
spreadsheets,
I
think
is
going
to
be.
A
E
B
A
I
want
you
to
say
for
our
our
viewing
audience
what
your,
what
your
project
is.
B
So
so
so
what
we're
doing
we
we're
we're,
creating
we're
looking
at
creating
like
financial
circuits
and
initially
we're
looking
at
the
corporate
bonds.
It's
just
trying
to
understand
and
like
how
that
would
be
done
and
how
that
can
be
put
basically
how
it
can
be
baseline.
A
A
What
are
your
observations
today
like?
What
have
you
ascertained
so
far.
B
I
mean
we,
we
are
none
of
us
really.
We
had,
I
guess,
theoretical
understanding
of
what
of
ziki
snarks
and
gnark
and
and
zero
knowledge
proofs.
So
we
it
is,
it
is
a
learning
curve
actually
how
to
create
the
circuit
from
scratch
and
and
what
actually
goes
into
it,
and
what
is
public,
what
is
private
and
and
the
details
like
that,
so
we
have
a
that's
something
that
we
over.
I
mean
there
is
definitely
a
learning
curve
which
is
which
is
which
is
fine.
I
mean
that's
what
we
expected
it.
A
B
Yeah
and-
and
I
I
yeah-
and
I
think
I
think
that's
that's-
going
to
be
like
very,
very
important
because
I
think,
like
an
average
developer,
is
not
going
to
have
the
bandwidth
to
kind
of
like
get
into
a
lot
of
nitty-gritty
details
and
and
sam
is
very,
very
helpful
because
narc
has
there
are
some
new
things
there
and
definitely
there
are
the
new
features
being
released,
basically
on
a
weekly
basis,
so
we're
kind
of
catching
up
with
that
and.
A
Yeah
for
folks
that
are
tuning
in
narc
is
a
zero
knowledge
circuit
system
that
is
being
built
by
consensus,
but
it's
also
open
source
and
under
apache
two
licenses.
I
recall.
H
Actually
it's
a
library
from
consensus
and
it
allows
you
to
define
the
zero
knowledge
workflow,
as
in
two
parts.
The
front
end
will
be
the
statements
that
you
want
to
prove.
Without
so
you
can
define
the
r1cs
different
types
of
constraints
and
correspondingly
you
can
also
modularize
the
the
cryptographic
commitments
that
you
want
to
do.
So
there
are
certain
kind
of
trade-offs
based
upon
which
cryptographic
protocol
you
use
whether
it's
on
time,
constraint
and
other
issues.
So
it's
modular
in
that
sense
and
production-wise
ready,
because.
A
Did
anybody
catch
ernst
young's
event
last
week,
a
lot
of
folks
some
folks
here
were
on
that
the
I
was
impressed
with
sorry.
Somebody's
got
must
have
the
the
the
youtube
running
because
I'm
hearing
myself,
okay
yeah,
I
was,
I
was
impressed
with
nick-
remind
me
of
names.
A
A
Star
yeah
ernst,
young
starlight
project-
I
mean
I
I
haven't
gotten
around
that
yet
I
don't
know
the
details
or
what
the
inners
are.
But
I
love
the
idea
of
being
able
to
just
write
solidity
and
mark
a
function
as
secret
and
have
that
then
be
be
under
zero
knowledge.
E
I
I
like
that
idea.
In
fact,
I
wanted
to
bring
up
that
topic
and
to
see
you
know.
You
know
just
get
some
guidance
on
on
where
so,
how
do
you?
How
does
how
does
secrets
play
into
into
what
baseline
is
doing?
You
know
sort
of
what
is
it
that
e
and
y
are
doing
there,
and
and
how
does
it
kind
of
flow
back
into
baseline
if,
at
all,.
A
Well,
I
mean
that's
again:
I
can
only
speculate
because
I
haven't
seen
the
actual
work
and
we
haven't
gotten
a
full
briefing
on
it.
It
sounds
like
it's
still
pretty
heavy
on
chain,
which
you
know
it's
funny.
Ryan
fish
is
on
ryan.
Maybe
you
can
comment
on
this.
What
you
and
sam
have
been
working
on
that
you
know,
even
even
when
you're
off
chain,
you
know
you
you,
may
you
know
you
still
can
run
into
performance
issues.
A
You
still
may
have
something.
That's
too
fat.
I
think
I
think
a
lot
of
blockchain
folks.
You
know
we're
like
oh
it's
off
chain.
It
can
be,
as
have
you
know.
Oh
yeah.
It
takes
a
gigabyte
per
record,
no,
no
problem
and,
of
course
that's
not
true,
so
yeah.
We
definitely
have
these
things.
These
things
to
get
leaner
and
leaner,
and-
and
as
I
remember
as
I
recall,
miranda
said
that
it's
still
pretty
heavy
and,
and
some
of
that
is
on
chain.
A
You
know
for
any
given
particular
use,
but
I
think
that's
it's
really
exciting,
and
could
that
be
a
viable
alternative
to
setting
a
bunch
of
stuff
up
in
dark
circuits
up?
You
know
we
should
see
right.
I
mean
I
think
we
should
take
a
look
at
that
again.
That's
the
nice
thing
about
baseline
is
not
a
platform
right,
it's
just
a
technique
and
as
a
technique
can
can
a
you
know,
starlight
approach
be
compliant
with
the
technique
and
give
you
what
you
need
to
that
end.
Brian.
Maybe
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit.
A
You
know.
I
think
we
had
a
really
good
monday,
where
we
were
doing
a
design
session
and
I
think
there's
something
in
that
session
that
is
worthy
of
communicating
with
the
community,
and
that
is
the
notion
that
how
little
is
required,
if
you're,
on
the
receiving
end
of
a
baseline
event.
A
And,
and
not
only
the
pay,
the
payload,
of
course,
is
the
payload,
but
how
much
of
the
stack
you
need
as
a
receiver
of
a
baseline
record
right?
A
So
the
sender
yeah
they're,
going
to
need
to
generate
whatever
appropriate
circuit
is
a
zero
knowledge
filter
or
what
whatever
you
like
to
call
it
is
is
required.
But
on
the
receiving
end,
you
need
to
be
able
to
receive
the
message.
A
A
That
may
be
all
you
need
to
do
and
you're
baselining
that
to
me.
That
brings
a
lot
of
the
sort
of
two-sided
market
issue
out.
It
says
you
know.
Okay,
I
can.
I
can
expect
a
lot
more
receivers
to
have
that
capability
and
it
was
an
interesting
moment
for
me,
ryan
thanks
for
the
that
call
was
a
long
one.
As
I
recall
yeah,
I
want
to
say
anything
else
about
that.
F
No,
that
was
that
was
that
was
the
gist
of
it,
just
trying
to
figure
out
the
minimum
minimum
requirements
to
participate
without
having
the
full-fledged
platform
execution.
A
Right
and
we
were
saying
what
was
the,
what
was
the
the
size
of
the
even
a
simple
zero
knowledge
proof
off
chain
we're
talking
about
what
was
it
about
meg
three
megs.
F
A
A
F
And
then
it
was
linear,
so
adding
two
checks
doubles
that
space.
F
That's
right,
drew's
answering
the
in
the
chat
there.
The
increase
increases
order,
then.
A
Thanks
drew
have
I
mentioned
today
how
much
we
love
having
you
on
this
in
this
community,
dhruv
malik,
everybody
keep
an
eye
on
this
guy's
career,
been
adding
a
lot
of
value,
appreciate
it
a
lot,
keep
it
up,
yeah
so
4.5.
So
that
means
yeah.
So
nine
mags
for
a
couple
of.
A
F
A
F
In
this
case,
if
it's
just
checking
for
the
sender
that
circuit
could
be
reused.
But
if
you're,
including
any
specific
details
on
the
invoice
itself,
then
no
well
in
the
hash.
A
F
F
A
I
think
we
are.
I
either
that
or
I'm
having
a
really
bad
senior
moment,
which
is
more
and
more
frequent,
so
yeah
yeah,
but
it
you
would
agree
that
if,
if
we
had
to,
if
we,
if
we
were
checking
the
payload,
which
I'm
pretty
sure
we
are,
and
this
and
the
identities
of
both
counterparties,
it.
F
A
And,
as
you
said,
it
was
scales
linearly,
so
you
just
keep
on
adding
four
point.
Five
count
by
four
four
point:
fives,
so
that's
not
enough!
That's
not
not.
I
mean
it's
doable,
but
it's
not
a
non-trivial
amount
of
data
to
be
storing
jack's
snotting,
his
head,
so
yeah.
Getting
that
down
would
be
a
pretty
nice
project.
A
I'm
pretty
sure
we
wouldn't
mind
doing
a
bounty
on
that.
One.
A
Is
jack
still
on
here?
Can
I
see
him
jack?
Oh,
I
think
he's
dropped.
I
was
going
to
ask
him
about
how
base
ledger's
going.
I'm
excited
to
see
that
keep
going.
A
Hey
jack
how's
base
ledger
going,
I'm
kidding
so
yeah
we'll
have
to
find
out
next
week
about
how
that's
going
I've
heard.
I've
heard
good
things.
What
else
is
what
else
would
you
guys
like
to
talk
about
samurai
you
you're
you're
you're,
going
to
start
doing
the
baseline
show
right
in
india.
H
For
sure,
so,
if
you
want,
I
can
get
a
track
done
here,
happy
to
do
that,
get
an
indian
flavor
to
it.
Hey.
A
You
know
what
I'll
tell
you
what
you
know.
I
love
offloading
work
happy
to
bounty
happy
to
set
up
a
grant
for
somebody
to
make
the
baseline
song.
H
Right
away,
I'm
just
going
to
initiate
the
contract,
so
I
so
through
my
company
I
have
a
partner
who
does
content
design
and
the
whole
user
experience,
so
they
can
do
the
music
as
well
I'd.
A
H
Sure
sure
so
I
can
I
can
yeah
I
can
just
put
in
a
bounty
application
for
that.
Oh
sorry,
current
application
for
that
and
then
yeah
I
can
start
the
indian
version
of
the
baseline
show
right
away
once
we
have.
You
know
some
enablements,
so
I
think
the
biggest
enablement
is
having
a
regular
show
of
hands
off
from
the
big
partners
that
you
have
made
in
india
that
we've
already
got
from
india.
So
I
think
the
big
names
are
already
on,
but
we
just
need
to
mobilize
them.
H
A
Yeah
there's
two
women
that
that
are
engineering
folks
at
at
tcs.
I
think
you
guys
are
already
in
a
channel
right.
H
A
We'll
just
redo
that.
H
Yeah
so
bishwashri-
and
I
can
take
over
that
part
and
do
it
sometime,
which
is
good
timing
in
india.
Sometimes
when
people
can
grab
a
beer
just
just
chill
and
look
at
baseline
processes
based
on
your
customers,.
E
H
D
A
Kyle's
becoming
a
star
yeah,
so
we're
very
excited
to
see
that
happen.
I
think
that
in
like
we
were
saying
earlier
in
this
industry,
where
india
goes,
the
rest
of
us
go
right.
This
yeah,
if
you
look
up
any
any
how-to
videos
about
sap
there,
there's
an
indian
guy
explaining
it
to
you,
yeah,
true
true,
indian
guy
in
india,
and
I'm
not
just
like
a
guy
from
india
but
like
in
indian
leadership,
so
yeah.
A
Human
self
and
humans-
so
that's
great,
oh
so
many
humans,
so
so
what
else
have
we
got
going
on
here?
We
we've
been
talking
about.
This
is
actually
our
last
show
before
do
we
have
another
wednesday
before
june?
I
don't
think
so
yeah
this
is
it
so
this
is
our
last
conversation
about
you
know
before
we're
gonna
really
try
to
lock
in
in
june
on
version
one.
A
So
I
have
some
work
to
do
on
getting
everybody
getting
the
tcs
engaged
and
we,
you
know
we'll
talk
to
sam
about
really
wrangling
the
core
developers
ryan,
all
the
developers
you're
bringing
on
from
your
team.
A
A
I
think
we've
done
tremendous
work
as
a
community
on
having
the
discussion
about
what
needs
to
be
in
what
doesn't
need
to
be
in.
A
I
I
need
to
call
out
andreas
freund
for,
for
you
know,
just
being
enormously
involved
and,
of
course
you
know
the
the
respective
chairs
of
the
committees
as
well
in
terms
of
coordinating,
but
I
mean
in
terms
of
just
sheer
volume
of
writing
and
winnowing
down
and
adding
to
and
then
cutting
out
and
really
driven
that.
I
think
we
all
owe
andreas
find
some
thanks
for
for
his
work
not
to
diminish
anyone
else's
work.
A
Grateful
what
else
I
mean
you
know,
I
guess
we
got
15
minutes
left.
What
are
those
any
last
words
on
what
needs
to
go
in
or
if
you
iman,
or
have
you
thought
of
anything
else
that
that
really
needs
to
be
supported
in
the
protocol.
E
I
have
a
question
john
in
terms
of
you
know,
tokenizing
on
ethereum,
and
you
know
the
gas
costs
and
so
on.
E
I
know
you,
you
can
manage
the
proofs
you
know
on
on
on
on
on
baseline,
and
you
know
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
tokenize,
but
is
there
benefit
into
considering
other
protocols
like
x
die?
You
know
die
network
where
I
think
the
costs
are
lower.
You
know.
Is
there?
Is
there
value
to
thinking
about
interoperability
into
other
sort
of
chains?.
A
I
think
that
the
question
is:
what
are
your
intentions
right?
I
mean,
if
you
you,
can
you
don't
have
to
put
it
on
anything
in
particular,
if
we're
talking
about
backing
up
baseline
proofs
so
that
you
can
have
that
common
frame
of
reference,
then,
where
that
bag
sits
and
whether
or
not
you're
using
a
bunch
of
different
bags,
not
to
use
the
what
I
guess
oddler's
called
bags,
but
you
know
you've
got
a
bunch
of
ba.
You
know.
You've
got
a
bunch
of
proofs
on
a
merkle
tree
or
a
bunch
of
merkle
trees
somewhere.
A
You
kind
of
it
seems
to
me
that
you
want
to
be
able
to
index
and
anchor
and
and
have
discoverability
on
all
of
them
right.
So
this
isn't
like
did's,
where
you
know
you
can
put
a
well-known
path
on
your
web
server
and
our
file
on
your
web
server
and
then
crawl
and
and
be
able
to
do
dids
that
way
or
irrespective
of
platform.
A
You're
gonna
want
to
be
able
to
go
and
find
the
proof,
and
so
l2s
are
a
good
pattern
for
that,
because
you're
still
anchoring
down
to
the
main
net
and
as
long
as
we
all
agree
on
what
the
main
net
is
you
at
some
point,
you
gotta
decide
who's
going
to
be
the
last
word
on
the
final
route.
Where's
that
final
route
going.
A
You
can
do
a
lot
of
intermediate
stuff
on
any
number
of
state
machines,
but
you've
got
to
have
a
final
route
on
something
I
think
that's
kind
of
where,
as
I
understand
it
today,
that's
where
base
ledger
is
hopefully
going
right.
Where
you
know
it
might
be
a
you
know,
an
l2
or
a
side
chain
type
structure,
but
it's
anchoring
to
the
main
net.
A
That's
vastly
reducing
the
costs,
but
it's
giving
you
know
as
long
as
everybody's
popularly
happy
to
use
that
particular
platform.
That's
great
as
long
as
it's
very
well
decentralized-
and
you
know
it
doesn't-
isn't
something
that's
likely
to
get
taken
over
lock
you
out
right
what
what?
A
What
is
the
mantra
for
what
what
I
mean
that
ought
to
be
needs
to
be
a
state
machine
maintained
as
a
public
good
that
it
resists
tampering
and
it
maximally
resists
tampering
or
being
taken
over
by
somebody
that
can
lock
you
out
of
valid
operations
or
change
the
established
record,
which
is
another
way
of
saying
tampering
right
so
that
you
know
it's
got
to
have
that
and
if,
if
you
confer
it
from
the
ethereum
main
net,
then
you're
in
l2
and
you're
good
but
discoverability.
A
Balkanization
we
already
have
vulcanization
right.
You
don't
need
any
of
this
stuff.
For
that
you
want
to
go,
balkanize,
go
full
mq
series
and
you're
you're
all
set.
You
want
to
pay
somebody
to
set
up
something
every
time
great.
A
What
else
bishwashree
are
you
seeing
anything
in
the
in
your
work
that
needs
thinking
about
in
terms
of
v1?
That
would
make
it
easier
for
you
boris
same
question,
for
you.
A
Any
functions
that
we're
missing
any
any
things
you've
been
saying.
I
really
wish
it
would
do
that
or
I
really
wish
I
had
this
check
or
this
controller
this
at
the
core.
Right
I
mean
you
know
the
implementation
or
you
know
we're
just
talking
about
the
core
interfaces.
B
Yeah,
I
can't
think
of
anything
immediately,
but
I
will
definitely
provide
some
feedback.
A
All
right:
hey,
yes,
sumron!
If
you
want
to
practice
doing
the
baseline
show
when
you're
ready
you
can
take
over
for
my
slot.
For
one
of
these.
A
D
I
don't
have
an
announcement,
I
do
have
a
weird
request.
Is
there
anybody
on
the
call
that
is
involved
with
the
e-swiss
government
project,
the
swiss
e-government
project.
G
May
have
some
contacts
within
the
mesh.
You
know
our
parent
company
is
a
swiss
aeg
out
of
zug
and
we've
done
a
number
of
projects
with
them
around
identity
and
things
like
that.
But
I'd
have
to
check
specifically
on
the
e-swiss.
H
Same
here
I
have
worked
with
some
companies
which
implement
hsm
solutions
for
tanks
in
swiss,
so
they
use
issues
as
a
kind
of
exchange
mechanism
for
their
certificates
for
validation,
so
yeah.
I
might
also
try
for
my
site,
if
possible,
find
somebody
thank.
D
G
Who
saw
the
the
eclipse
last
night,
none
of
you
east
coasters
anyway,
I
got
up
at
four
in
the
morning
to
see
it
because
you
could
see
it
from
the
west
coast
yeah,
I'm
sure
you
saw
it
samurai
yeah.
G
H
Was
just
giving
you
a
thumbs
up
on
another
good
meeting
and
we
didn't
talk
about?
Is
it
tom?
That's
doing
the
documentation.
A
Tom's
doing
a
bunch
of
of
not
documentation
but
content,
work
for
right,
marketing
and
comms.
I
guess.
H
Right
so
I
spoke
to
him
in
good
conversation,
so
that
continues,
I
think,
that's
that's
unnecessary,
like
you
were
saying
before.
What's
the
use
case,
you
need
to
talk
these
things
out
beyond
just
the
technical
right.
H
A
You
know
yeah
I've
done
better
at
that,
but
yeah
just
making
the
case.
I
suppose
I've
gone
up
very
much
the
other
way,
I'm
so
sick
of
value-based
marketing.
Right,
oh,
you
know
it's
good
for
you,
because
it's
good
right,
I'm
like
now
tell
me
what
it
does.
So
I
tell
you
I
tend
to
major
on
what
it
does
and
how
it
does
it
and
yeah
some
audi.
You
know
some
groups
just
need
to
need
to
understand
the
business
case,
so
I'm
really.
F
G
John
kids
get
off
my
lawn
wolfer
kids
get
off
my
lawn,
just
a
quick
reminder.
If
you're
in
the
go
to
market
team
thanks
bob
for
reminding
me
tom
did
deliver
both
a
framework
for
content
as
well
as
some
kind
of
beginning
boilerplate,
and
we
committed
on
our
call
this
week
to
to
kind
of
review
that
and
give
him
feedback.
So
just
a
reminder,
if
you
haven't,
haven't
done
that
frankly,
it's
reminder
for
myself.
I
started
it,
but
I
haven't
finished
it
so.
A
All
right!
Well,
I,
as
I
said
almost
said
before
this
is
our
last
sort
of
we
we've
been
using
for
this
month.
The
baseline
show
to
discuss
requirements
and
issues
for
v1.
A
The
intention
is
in
june
for
us
to
have
finished
the
specification
for
v1,
lock
it
down
both
on
the
standard
side
and
on
the
core
interfaces
side
and
then
move
to
final
implementation
and
and
promulgation
of
the
standard.
I
think
that'll
be
a
really
good
day
that
go.
A
That's
the
goal
for
this
year
and
the
goal
for
the
summer
is
to
have
all
that
locked
in,
so
we
can
get
work
done
and
so
jack
your
team
ryan,
his
team
and
all
the
other
teams
that
are
working
on
provide
and
everybody
else
is
working
on
the
protocol
time.
A
To
start
our
engines
wrap
up
all
the
all
the
conversations
and
get
it
yeah
get
that
final
set
of
requirements
done,
and
with
that
everybody
have
a
great
week,
we'll
see
you
next
week
and
keep
on
baselining.