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A
A
A
We
do
have
another
office
hours
this
week,
which
is
our
impromptu
conversations,
which
are
some
of
our
favorites,
as
we
are
all
busy
and
heads
down
with
our
other
efforts.
So
when
shows
are
like
this,
that's
a
good
sign,
and
with
that
I
will.
B
She's
going
to
hand
the
baton
to
somebody
who
will
you
know
either
be
naive
enough
to
pick
it
up
or
or
whatever,
and
all
that.
C
Yeah
mark
mark
what
why
don't
you
talk
about
the
the
what
we
talked
about
this
morning.
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
that's
a
a
that
is
a
great
discussion
to
to
to
you,
know
recount
and
possibly
continue.
B
Yeah
and
basically
the
discussion
that
we
were
batting
around
today
was
you
know,
zero
knowledge
proofs.
I
mean
you
know
not
just
you
know,
sitting
there
as
a
root
of
trust
or
something
that's
gonna.
Validate
that
an
event
or
an
occurrence
or
an
interaction
happened.
People
want
to
see
you
know
hey.
Can
I
actually
use
that?
You
know
in
a
larger
scale,
perhaps
for
analytics
or
for
machine
learning
or
something,
and
we
basically
said
likely
not
or
if
you
do
it's
gonna
have
more
limited
capability
than
you
might
have
anticipated.
B
Zero
knowledge
proofs
by
design
are
are
are
opaque.
The
only
thing
that
you
could
have
would
be
the
output
of
the
zero
knowledge
proof.
You
could
not
go
in
and
you
know
pry
and
see
the
inner
workings
of
how
that
output
happened,
and
that
is
by
design
and
that's
why
we
rely
on
zero
knowledge.
B
But
at
the
same
time
you
know
if
you
can
take
that
output
and
then
you
could
then
be
able
to
you
know,
probably
you
know,
develop
analytic
capability
on
that
output,
but
then
you
would
have
to
you
know,
do
another
proof.
So
if
you
have
10
outputs,
you
would
need
to
generate
10
more
proofs
from
that.
If,
if
I
got
a
lot
of
that
that
correctly,
but
one
question
that
I
did
have
from
that
is
you
know
the
output
of
a
zero
knowledge.
Proof
in
my
understanding
is
largely
boolean
yeah.
C
And
the
the
verification
of
of
of
the
proof
is
is
is
either
you
know
either
the
proof
is
correct
or
it's
not
yes
right.
The
proof
itself
is
a
is
a
is
a
string.
B
Right
and
so
it's
so
so
so
if
you
have
people
sitting
there
going,
you
know
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
meet
my
ai
engine
or
my
big
machine
learning.
You
know
read
about
that.
I
want
behemoth
and
I
want
to
you
know
through
zero
knowledge.
You
know,
because
the
people,
I
don't
want
people
to
be
able
to
unmask
themselves
as
to
the
input
that
I
have
on
there.
B
But
could
I
gain
insight
from
that
statement
being
true,
I
suppose,
would
be
the
the
main
thing
on
there.
What
we
wanna,
you
know
look
into
saying
is
how
would
you
know
a
non-technical
business?
You
know
audience
sit
there
and
take
this
and
then
really
start
thinking
about
it
themselves
to
say
how
could
I
you
know,
use
this.
B
You
know
portion
of
the
baseline
principle
into
you,
know
my
my
regular
project
or
whatever
process
environment,
and
it's
again
it's
it's
one
of
those
where
we're
we're
trying
to
see
what
we
can
do.
You
know
with
zero
knowledge
proofs
to
say
all
right.
Can
we
cross
the
bridge?
You
know
from
ideation
and
art
of
the
possible
to
how
would
this?
Actually,
you
know
get
function
in
a
real
world
business
environment
and
be
encapsulated
in
an
offering
that
you
know
can
be
integrated
and
run
live
traffic.
B
So
that's
really
what
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
starting
to
really
get
together,
because
a
lot
of
us
for
the
past
for
the
past
two
years,
we've
been
really
coming
up
with
a
lot
of
great
ideas,
and
now
we're
just
starting
to
drill
them
down
is
how
do
we
actually
get
people
using
this
and
then
raving
about
it?
B
You
know:
how
can
we
validate
everything
that
we've
been
saying?
You
know
this
is
what
is
going
to.
You
know,
help
you
make
money,
save
money,
stay
out
of
trouble
and
you
know
be
able
to
collaborate
with
your
external
parties
in
environments
to
where
you
can
or
won't.
C
You're
you're
correct,
I
mean
you
need
to
you
need
to
you
need
to
the
the
point.
Is
that
no
one
cares
about
zero
knowledge,
proofs
right
right,
just
a
just
a
word
that
those
three
words
together
like
make
people
throw
up
in
their
mouths
a
little
bit.
You
know
at
least
regular,
regular,
regular
people
right.
So
so
it's
it's
like
it's
like.
Oh
digital
certificates,
x509s!
C
It's
like
that's!
You
know
it's
like
it's
like
the
technical
guys
are,
are
going
going
bonkers
over
that,
but
no
one
really
cares
until
till
you
know,
even
though
they're
using
it
every
day,
every
single
you
know
every
single
minute
but
they're,
just
not
aware
of
it
until
it
goes
sideways
right.
So
it's
it's
it's
it's!
It's
that
kind
of
thing
where
you
need
to
say:
okay,
now
you
can
do
x
because
of
this.
C
You
don't
really
need
to
understand
what
this
is,
because
you
know
it's
like.
If
you
really
want
to
you
know,
go
go,
go,
get
a
ph
phd
in
cryptography
right,
so
the
real
challenge
is
to
to
to
find
the
the
thing
that
no
one
else
can
do.
But
this
with
this,
it's
done
and
it
saves
you
bill
millions,
billions
of
dollars
and
then
that's,
that's,
that's
basically
it
so.
Can
you
prove
that
vietnamese
deal
is
actually
vietnamese
steel
and
is
not
coming
actually
from
china
and
it's
being
imported
into
the
us?
B
Right,
I
mean
proof
of
origin,
I
mean,
and
you
know,
and
then
you
have
all
the
different
chain
of
custody
from
you
know
the
producer
into
the
people
that
get
it
to
the
people
they're
going
to
ultimately
use
it.
I
mean
how
does
it
get
from
vietnam
to
you
know
to
wherever
the
middle
east
as
part
of
a
steel
as
part
of
a
new
building
project?
B
We
need
to
be
able
to
prove
the
origin.
You
know
and
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
interest
in
this.
You
know,
I
am
just
kind
of
you
know,
paying
attention
to
looking
around
within
a
lot
of
the
compliance
reporting,
particularly
with
esg,
because
what's
really
getting
a
lot
of
people
and
keeping
them
awake
at
night
is
many
of
the
regulatory
administration.
B
A
lot
of
the
regulatory
agencies
that
have
these
compliance
frameworks
and
there
are
over
4
000
of
them.
But
what
is
really
keeping
making
people
pay
attention
is.
A
lot
of
these
different
regulatory
bodies
have
been
given
enforcement
action,
they've
been
given
badges
and
guns,
and
if
they
come
in-
and
you
know,
are
taking
interest
in
you
and
your
compliance
is
not
where
it
needs
to
be,
and
it's
not
tidy
and
complete.
B
They
will
then
just
you
know,
they
will
then
find
you
and
you
don't
have
any
advocate,
or
anyone
in
your
corner
to
say,
wait
a
minute
wait
a
minute.
We
didn't
do
that.
It's
there
is
no
appeal
process,
you
have
to
pay
it
just
to
make
it
go
away
and
that's
what's
really
getting
a
lot
of
people
saying
you
know,
because
we
have
no
idea
how
big
the
fines
can
be.
We
don't
want
to
have
whatever
our
plight
become.
I
don't
know,
maybe
a
political
football
or
something
like
that.
B
That
gets
you
know
adjudicated
in
in
in
the
media,
and
all
that
we
would
just
like
to
go
ahead
and
make
sure
that
our
you
know
reporting
is
complete
and
you
know
a
lot
of
enterprises.
You
know.
Yes,
we
have
our
data,
but
we
rely
on
data
from
our
counterparties.
B
You
know
as
components
of
whatever
it
is
that
we
make.
You
know
a
visible
example
that
I
saw
a
couple
of
months
ago
was
mars.
You
know
the
candy
and
confection
company,
you
know
they
basically
don't
have
sugar
processing
facilities,
they
don't
grow
sugar
beets
and
sugarcane
and
process
it
and
all
and
nuts,
and
all
the
different.
You
know
component
parts.
You
know
if
they're
going
to
say
that
their
products
are,
you
know,
100,
sustainable
or
free
trade
or
whatever
they
want
to
do.
B
They
have
to
be
able
to
assert
that
and
that's
going
to
require
data
from
people
that
you
know
that
they
need
to
complete
their
their
recording
with
and
stuff.
And
you
know,
assuming
you
know,
if
it's
a
big
enough,
you
know
supplier,
they
may
not
want
you
know
to
have
that
type
of
visibility
to
say
we
don't
want
people
to
know
how
much
sugar
we
provided
to
to
mars
and
what
percentage
of
our
total
output
and
sales
that
is
going
to
entail.
B
You
know
we
just
don't
want
all
those
you
know
in
in
intelligence
or
our
insight
into
our
into
what
we're
doing,
or
you
know
in
other
industries.
You're
gonna
have
strict
data
privacy
words
like
you
know.
I
can't
you
know
particularly
healthcare,
which
is
also
in
pharma,
which
in
you
know,
research
and
clinical
trials,
and
all
of
that
you
know
draconian
data
sharing
and
most
of
it's
done
in
paper
and
are
varying
different
formats
and
stuff.
B
And
you
know
these
are
people
that
want
to
innovate,
but
they,
you
know
just,
are
unable
to
do
so
and
that's
where
you
have
zero
knowledge
and
where
you
have
baseline
to
where
it's
like
all
your
data
remains
where
it's
supposed
to
be.
We
are
just
proving
the
insights
and
we
are
basically
telling
you
yes,
you're
good
on
this
end
and
that
you
know
that
straightens
so
many
curves
and
smooths.
B
So
many
edges,
which
is
really
where
you
know
a
a
lot
of
the
you
know
now
that
we
start
you
know,
are
expanding
into
a
global
type
economy.
You
know
being
able
to
at
least
have
that
visibility,
trust
and
competence.
B
You
know
really
goes
a
long
way,
you
know
and
when
people
say
well,
how
does
it
do
that?
Well,
then,
that's
where
we
have
to
start
saying
you
know
different
discussion.
B
It
goes
back
to
the
blockchain
days
where
people
say
what
is
the
best
blockchain
out
there,
and
you
know
my
first
question
is
well
for
what
you
know.
What
are
you
using
it?
What
do
you
want
to
use
it
for
so
I
see
a
lot
of
people
that
are
still
you
know.
Getting
that
learned
helplessness.
We're
like
we
just
can't
do
anything
with
it.
You
know
sorry
and
I'm
like,
but
yes,
you
can
just
no
one
has
given
you
the
correct
approach.
C
You
know
the
willingness
of
adoption
by-
let's
say
regulators
for
for
this
to
work.
D
One
of
the
use
cases
I'm
working
on
specifically
is
related
to
supply
chain
governance
to
the
tune
of
what
mark
was
talking
about,
and
you
were
teeing
up.
It's
like
supply
and
chain
governance
and
proof
of
origin
and
product.
Traceability
is
still
a
50
billion
dollar
problem
today,
especially
with
all
the
disruptions
that
are
out
there
in
the
supply
chain.
D
You
know
it's
been
a
bilateral
type
of
relationship
where,
let's
say
one
party,
it
could
be
somebody
like
a
unilever
that
can
see
access
to
the
supplier
data
that
they
have
as
their
direct
suppliers,
but
they're
not
entitled
or
authorized
to
any
visibility
into
the
tier
2
tier
3
10th
tier
suppliers
that
are
culminating
all
the
goods
and
services
that
they
need,
visibility
and
governance
of
and
when
you
sprinkle
in
the
requirements
for
esg
and
grc.
D
That's
where
the
regulators
come
in
right,
so
the
regulating
bodies
need
to
understand
what
is
available
for
them
to
be
a
passive
participant
to
see
what
it
is
that
they
need
to
see
and
understand
from
these
processes
across
all
these
different
parties
to
ascertain
like
who's,
working
with
people
that
are
on
a
blacklist
versus
a
whitelist.
C
C
You
know
best
case
scenarios,
three
more
likely
five
plus
years
of
of
before,
before
any
decisions
are
being
made
as
to
as
to
what
type
of
technology
is
acceptable
or
not
right.
But
this
time
where,
where
you
know
it's
like
it's
like,
I
hope
to
to
be
sitting
on
a
on
a
on
a
beach
in
in
costa
rica
running
my
own
bar.
So
the
the
you
know
it's
more
of
a
where
the
near
term
or
I'm
asking
myself,
especially
for
the
yes.
C
The
baseline
pattern
is
very
compelling,
but
where
is
the
near-term
commercial
opportunity
that
can
be
implemented
easily,
such
as
with
a
simple
reference
implementation,
taking
off
the
of
the
of
the
rack
to
to
to
deliver
a
proof
of
proof
of
value
in
three
weeks?
Six
weeks
right
where
you,
you
immediately
show.
Okay,
we
put
fifty
thousand
dollars
in.
We
saved
a
million
right.
It's.
D
C
C
I
think
it
really
is
important
to
to
to
to
hone
in,
on
those
use
cases
not
only
use
cases
but
making
something
available
quickly
that
can
be
leveraged
by
you
know
any
business,
not
business
as
a
customer,
but
any
business
to
build
out
and
and
and
and
and
take
and
and
commercialize
quickly
right,
because
what
we
need
is
is
in
order
for,
for
this
community
to
thrive
is
we
need
commercialization
stories
beyond
one
and
that
is
really
important
and
that
we
get
to
to
that
point
really
quickly.
So
that
was
my.
You
know.
C
C
That
is
easy
and
seamless
to
to
you
know
to
to
implement,
because
businesses
have
have
gotten
to
the
point
where
you
know,
if
you,
if
you,
if
you're
in
a
large
corporation,
the
biggest
complaint
of
the
of
the
cio
and
the
ciso,
is
that
they
don't
know
that
the
business
is
is
buying
this
sad
service
that
that
service,
but
expect
them
but
exp,
but
expect
it
to
manage
it,
even
though
they
don't
know
anything
about
it
right
and
then
they're
they're,
doing
self-integration
and
all
kinds
of
like
stuff
and
it's
just
a
bloody
mess,
because
it's
so
easy
and
you
know,
and
and
how
do
we?
C
Where
is
the?
Where
is
the
value,
lift
so
great
that
it's
basically
a
a
no-brainer
right
to
to
to
do
this?
All
of
these
use
cases
we've
been
discussing
is
great.
They
require
a
significant
lift
organizationally
and,
from
an
investment
point
of
point,.
B
Of
view
right-
and
I
think
most
of
those
need
to
be
coming
from
the
business
non-technical
domains
just
because
right
now,
all
of
these
different
competing
solutions
and
emerging
technologies,
you
know,
are
all
vying
for
at
least
some
face
time,
or
at
least
a
little
bit
of
attention
in
a
very
crowded
and
noisy
space,
I
mean
the
cio,
the
cto,
the
cso.
B
I
mean
they're,
getting
inundated
by
all
of
these
different,
hey
check
out
our
way
of
doing
it,
and
you
know,
after
listening
to
that
day
in
day
out,
you
start
to
get
really
numb
to
it,
and
so
that's
where
you
have
to
have
the
people
that
you
know
are
from
the
you
know
outside
of
that
domain.
B
I
guess
product
manager
who
can
really
you
know,
maintain
the
communication
flow
and
you
know,
have
the
checks
and
balances
and
stuff
and
who
has
you
know
ultimate
ownership
of
the
output,
so
that
you
know,
if
there's
so
many
different
competing
opinions,
that
someone
can
step
in
and
be
the
adult
and
say
no
we're
not
going
to
do
this.
We
are
going
to
do
this
and
that's
you
know
final.
B
So
and
right
now
I
mean
you're
getting
a
lot
of
people
like
well.
Okay!
Well,
who-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people-
you
know
naturally
say
well,
the
the
the
controller
or
the
cfo,
or
maybe
the
chief
risk
officer
somewhere
around
in
there-
and
you
know
too
many
people-
I
guess
you
know-
are
playing
this
waiting
for
godot
thing
where
it's
like.
Okay,
let's
go,
let's
go,
but
don't
really
do
anything!
B
You
know
it's
a
lot
of
times.
You
know,
there's
there's
the
old
saying
I
guess
within
the
the
u.s
navy
seals,
let's
suit
up
and
get
wet,
and
so
that's
trying
to
get
people
that
will
do
that
to
say,
let's
suit
up
and
jump
in
so.
C
B
B
It's
really
it's
kind
of
that
that
conundrum,
it's
a
tough
nut,
that
everybody's
trying
to
crack,
and
you
know
I
think,
within
baseline.
You
know
we
have
a
much
more
compelling
message
over
many
of
the
competitors
is
because
it
does
not
require
a
painful
integration.
It
does
not
require.
You
know
an
enormous
capital
investment.
We
are
empowering
your
existing
systems
of
record.
B
We
are
just
being
able
to
set
up
a
a
connection
with
your
external
counterparties
that
is
going
to
preserve
all
of
the
requirements
and
dependencies
that
you
have
so
but
again
crossing
that
bridge
again.
Yeah
there's
so
many
of
these
people,
where
it's
like
yeah.
Yes,
let's,
let's
talk
about
it,
let's
talk
about
it
and
I'm
like
no
go
to
the
bridge
and
start
walking.
B
D
To
look
at
it
I
mean:
does
it
make
sense
to
to
look
at
some
of
the
technical
integrations
that
you
were
talking
about
that
might
be
reliant
on
edi
technologies
today,
right
could
baseline,
be
leveraged
to
simplify
an
extremely
costly
and
time-consuming
integration
that
edi
is
providing
between
one
or
a
few
different
organizations
in
a
revenue
or
supply
chain.
D
I
mean,
I
think
that
that
that
this
is
where
you
know,
starts
highlighting
the
areas
of
interest
and
digging
deeper
into
there,
but,
as
you
pointed
out
mark
it
takes,
it
takes
participation
by
not
just
one
party
but
multiple
parties
to
agree
to
give
this
a
go,
and
usually
the
only
way
that
you
can
get.
That
is
if
it's
somebody
who's
writing
the
checks
that
says
I
want
you
to
do
it
this
way
and
give
it
a
try.
B
And
if
you
get
any
resistance,
have
them
call
me?
I
will
set
them
straight
because
that's
where
I
see
so
much
of
the
reticence
comes
from
is
people
are
like.
Well,
I'm
afraid
that
I
am
going
to
start
this
everybody's
looking
at
me
and
I'm
going
to
flame
out
in
very
visible
grand
scale,
and
I
just
don't
want
to
do
that
and
I'm
like
no
give
them
give
them
that
you
know
that
certificate
of
safe
conduct
you
know
to
where
it's
like.
A
Yeah
would
I
I
agree
and
disagree,
and
I
will
happily
send
people
your
way
mark,
because
I
know
you
really
do
understand
the
business
and
functional
value,
but
in
a
lot
of
conversations
we
get
in
where
the
value
is
inherent.
So
they
understand,
it
seems
like
the
roadblock
is
the
implementation
you
mentioned:
there's
not
a
painful
implementation,
but
with
what
I'm
seeing
with
some
of
the
work
that
the
core
developers
are
doing.
B
I
mean
it
wouldn't
be
as
hefty
as
say
a
blockchain
implementation,
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
you
know
a
lot
of
us
are
veterans
of
that
to
where
you
know
we
talked
all
about.
You
know
what
blockchain
could
do
and
you
know
how
it
was
gonna
make
us
all
taller,
smarter,
get
all
the
weeds
out
of
our
lawn
and
all
of
that,
but
then,
when
it
came
time
to
an
integration,
a
lot
of
this
was
like
wait,
a
minute
we're.
Actually
you
know
by
doing
this,
we're
displacing
a
really.
B
You
know
healthy
and
healthy
part
of
the
existing
environment,
and
you
know
and
we're
displacing
something
like
an
erp
system
which
is
not
going
to
go
anywhere
because
that's
a
multi-million
dollar
investment.
That's
already
gone
through
its
painful
implementation,.
B
You
know
a
lot
of
people
are
like
and
plus
you
know
getting
down
to
the
nitty-gritty
and
it's
not
very
popular,
but
you
know
in
so
many
use
cases
you
know
with
blockchain.
You
know
specifically
private
permission.
You
know
flavor
of
blockchain.
B
You
know
just
because
you
know
for
a
while
everybody's
you
know
for
a
while.
I
think
there
was
a
buzz
to
where
you
had
cto
like
we're
using
blockchain
technology
to
you
know
to
prove
you
know
the
the
entire
provenance
of
you
know
this
this
flat
of
strawberries,
you
know,
are
you
know
within
certain
implementation,
or
you
know,
within
maritime
shipping,
and
we're
going
to
really.
B
You
know
weave
that
in
with
with
with
the
cargo
insurance
you
know,
for
so,
we've
got
the
movement
of
the
goods,
but
we
also
have
the
you
know
financial
and
risk
management
attachment
points.
You
know
following
that,
and
you
know
it
worked
great
on
paper,
but
it
was.
You
know
when
it
came
to
the
implementation.
B
Not
only
were
you
staring
some
of
the,
I
guess,
the
the
limitations
or
shortcomings
of
what
have
been
considered
for
the
solution.
You
know
the
technical
aspect,
but
there
was
also
the
human
factors
you
know
in
in
some
of
these.
You
know
large
supply
chain
type.
We
supply
chain
projects
and
stuff
to
where
it's
like.
Okay,
you
know
how
do
we
actually
sit
there
and
grill
down
just
to
use
strawberries?
You
know
all
the
farmers
and
stuff
like
that.
Well,
they
have
to
then
become,
you
know,
add
another.
B
You
know
process
to
their
existing
environment,
to
where
they
say:
okay.
Well,
I've
got
to
put
either
these
id
tags.
These
rfit
or
our
near
field,
iot
sensors,
on
everything
that
I
put
out
and
there
were
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions.
So
am
I
doing
it
on
each
little
you
know
container?
Am
I
doing
it
on
the
whole
flat?
You
know
at
what
point
am
I
putting
it
on
there
and
happy
to
do
it,
but
that's
going
to
require
some
commitment
and
some
investment
and
who
absorbs
that
cost?
B
Is
it
me
better?
Not
be,
and
again
that
was
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions
that
that
really,
ultimately,
never
really,
you
know,
moved
it
to
the
adoption
levels
that
they
were
originally
hoping
for,
or
at
least
intended,
and
it
was
you
know,
just
in
the
tiny
little
details,
that's
where
the
devil
was,
and
so
you
know
now
I
mean
it's,
it's
pretty
obvious
as
to
you
know
the
potential
of
it,
but
a
lot
of
people
say
you
know
when
it
comes
time
to
make
it
happen.
D
I
don't
know
I
agree
with
sean
oldman.
We
need
the
tools
for
people
to
just
grab
a
data,
set,
activate
it
into
the
baseline
standard
and
prove
it
out
quickly
and
effectively.
We've
got
to
remove
those
barriers
because
people's
I'm
right
there
with
you
sonal
people
are
like
hey.
This
sounds
great,
but
it's
still
muddy
for
people
to
get
going.
B
C
You
know
for
that
right,
but
there
there
is
the.
There
is
the
point.
The
resources
right
and
the
question
is
what
type
of
resources
right
now
it's
like.
If
you
want
to
do
it,
you
need,
you
know
you
need.
You
know,
people
who
have
worked
with
cryptography
before
or
understand
how
they
how
to
use
cryptography.
C
You
know
they
understand
how
to
write
journal
circuits.
You
know
it's
like
there.
Is
there
there's
a
lot
of
intellectual
lift
that
is
required
at
this
point
to
to
to
even
do
something
really
really
simple
right
and
I
think
we
haven't
we
haven't.
So
there
are
really
two
things
that,
in
my
opinion,
that
are
necessary.
One
is
the
tooling
it's
all
set.
We
need
to
really,
you
know,
put
the
pedal
to
the
metal
there.
That's
one
thing.
C
The
other
thing
is
we
really
haven't
worked
hard
enough
to
come
up
with
the
right
with
the
right
approach
for
enterprises.
Where
you
can
say
look,
you
can
do
a
baseline
pattern
like
this
and
it
will
it
and-
and
it
can
be
easily
if
you
just
want
to
see
how
it
works.
You
know
it's
like
you,
don't
need
a
at
a
standards,
compliant
implementation
that
can
come
later.
It's
about
the
power
of
the
baseline
pattern.
C
No,
we
all
have
not
have
not
really
done
that
and
we
really
haven't
done
the
work
to
get
there
so,
and
I
think
that
is
that
is.
That
is
really
the
the
that's.
That's
that's
part
of
the
community
work
that
we
need
to
think
about.
C
What
is
this
simplest
way
right?
The
the
most
simplest
way
right
to
to
to
demonstrate
the
value
of
the
baseline
pattern.
B
Well
and
right
now
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
of
a,
I
wouldn't
say
say
disconnect,
but
right
now
what
we're
trying
to
put
forward
doesn't
quite
match
the
expectation
from
I
think
the
people
that
we
want
to
get
adopting
and
stuff
right
now
we're
assembling
a
cake
mix.
B
You
know
that
has
all
of
the
you
know
some
of
the
ingredients,
but
you've
got
to
add
your
egg
and
your
milk
and
your
in
in
your
oven
and
and
your
time
and
effort
and
people
here
saying
I
want
the
cake
and
so
yeah
and
that's
what
I'm
saying:
let's
try
and
get
them
as,
as
you
know,
as
close
to
the
cake
as
possible,
I
mean
you
can't
have
a
one
size
fits
all.
You
know
that
everybody
will
do
it's
going
to
be
you
know.
B
Definitely
you
know,
massaged
and
and
altered
to
you
know,
spit
to
fit
specific
use
cases
in
different
industries
and
stuff,
but
you
know
that's
where
I
see
kind
of
the
gap
right
now
as
we're
trying
to
put
together
this
nice
little
cake
mix
and
people
are
going
okay.
What
do
you
mean
I've
got?
I've
got
to
do
work,
I've
got
it.
B
I've
got
to
wait
for
this,
and
I've
got
to
do
something
for
it
and
you
know-
and
you
can't
tell
you
know
what
like
being
somebody's,
you
know
quirky
uncle
to
say
yeah
but
you'll
feel
good
about
it.
You'll
feel
better
about
it.
You
know
when
you're
done
yeah.
Well,
I
want
to
feel
good
about
it
right.
C
Now
I
still
maintain
we
haven't
we,
we
can
get
there
without
existing
tooling.
We
haven't
done
the
heart.
We
haven't
done
the
hard
work
yet
to
make
to
to
to
find
the
simplest
thing
that
demonstrates
value
that
can
be
done
in
a
day
or
two
yep
right.
So
I
think
that
that's
with
with
existing
tooling,
there
must
be
a
way
right.
It
doesn't
have
to
be.
You
know,
standards
compliant.
C
It
needs
to
demonstrate
the
value
of
the
pattern
right.
It's
like
you
know,
standard
compliance.
Solutions
can
come
later
right,
but
if
we,
if
we
want,
if
we
want
the
standard,
if
we
want
the
concept
and
if
we
want
the
the
pi,
if
we
want
the
pattern
and
then
subsequently
the
standard
to
be
adopted,
there
needs
to
be
a
value
demonstration
that
goes
beyond
battleship.
D
Absolutely-
and
you
know
the
the
key
to
that
is,
it
needs
to
be
like
a
sampling
that
they
can
actually
take
their
own
data,
set
up
a
circuit
with
at
least
a
few
different
participants
and
show
all
that
circuit
and
that
pattern.
Why.
D
C
D
C
C
You
you,
I
mean
okay,
so
so
so
so
you
do
a
miracle
proof
and
you
give
them
access
to
the
to
the
to
the
to
the
one
leaf.
That's
that's
encrypted
that
they
can
actually
look
at
and
then
they
can
verify
it.
And
it's
done
it's
a
it's!
A
zero
knowledge!
Proof
right!
It's
like
it's
like!
It's
like
you
can
do
you.
Can
you
need
to
be
creative
with
the
meaning
of
the
point
we
started
with,
and
I
think
that
was
that
was.
That
was
a
big
mistake.
C
We
started
with
the
most
complex
cryptography
right.
It
was
sexy,
it
was
cool,
ck,
snarks,
sucks,
it's
the
most
complex
thing.
It's
the
most
complex
thing
to
to
to
use
to
build
right.
We
haven't
done
the
hard
work
to
figure
out
to
do
it
much
much
simpler
and
it
can
be
done
right.
It's
like
it's
like
it's
like
that.
It
it
it
it
can
be
done.
The
standard
allows
for
it
on.
C
A
lot
no
use
existing
libraries,
it's
like
it's
like
it's
like.
Do
it
do
do
a
do.
Do
stand
up,
you
know,
you
know
if
you
want
a
private
instance
of
like
ipfs
and
then
and
then
pass
hashes
around
and
and
and
and
two
two
to
two
merkle
trees
and
utilize
libraries
and
have
have
a
have
a
very
simple
endpoint
that
people
can
hit-
and
this
is
your
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
statement
you're
you're
verifying
boom
right
just
you
know
this
was
the
document
great
wonderful.
C
This
was
x,
that's
with
why
it's
like
it's
like
you
know
you
want
to
you
want
to
do
it.
Do
you
want
to
do
range
proofs,
great
use,
use,
pedestal
commitments,
existing
libraries,
everything
we
haven't
done
the
hard
work
to
figure
out?
What's
the
simplest
thing
that
delivers
that
delivers
about
value
that
we
can
utilize
that
we
can
that
we
can
do
with
existing
tooling
in
an
easy
way?
Yes,
can
we
can
we
can
we
slap?
Is
it
going
to
be
standard
compliant?
C
D
Well,
then,
why
don't
we
just
tackle
something
super
easy,
like
proof
of
of
of
age,.
D
Well,
just
something
simple
that
simple:
that
that
holds
some
value
right
you
got
to
get
into
a
bar.
You
got
to
buy
a
pack
of
cigarettes.
You
got
to
do
whatever
you
got
to
show
that
you're
old
enough
to
buy
those,
but
without
providing
the
underlying
data,
something
along
those
lines,
proof
of
membership,
proof
of
something.
C
So
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
that
digital
bazaar
is
running
a
pilot
with
the
associate
american
association
of
convenience
stores,
utilizing
selective
disclosure
with
firefox
credentials
right.
What
still
has
to
happen?
You
know
you
know
qr
code
scanning,
one,
wonderful,
digital
signatures
verified
all
the
good
stuff
by
w3c,
compliant,
very
proper
credentials,
and
all
of
that
they
still
the
clerk
still
needs
to
look
at
the
at
the
at
the
at
the.
C
Right,
even
though
it's
is
in
principle
not
necessary,
they
still
need
to
do
it
right,
because,
because
why?
Because
the
regulator
goes
and
says
it's
like
no,
no,
it's
like
it's
like
it's
like
this
is
this.
Is
this
is
required
for
regulatory
compliance,
great
wonderful
thing,
right,
first
demonstration
that
you
can
do
it.
It
still
is
not
delivering
the
full
value
because
of
constraints.
So
again,.
D
C
Yeah
and
then
and
then,
and
then
I'm
working
that
into
into
the
pos
systems
of
of
you.
So
it's
like
it's
it's
the
it's,
the
the
the
okay,
I'm
being
facetious
here,
but
I'm
being
facetious
you're
on
purpose
right.
It's
like
it's
like
it's
like
the
the
the
the
point
here
is.
C
We
need
to
think
much
much
harder
right
and
be
much
more
creative
right
to
to
to
come
up
with
the
right
thing
that
people
are
willing
to
pay
money
for
and
that
we
can
deliver
with
simple
tools
that
exist
today
that
we
can
slap
together
and
say
you,
you
get
these
people
together.
We
can
demonstrate
it
to
you
within
a
week,
no
money
down,
or
you
know
it's
like
something
super
super
super
super
super
easy,
like
you
know,
make
that
a
core
dev
project
that
that
that
delivers
delivers
value.
C
D
C
The
the
point
is:
have
we
done
the
hard
work
to
figure
out?
Where
is
the
sim
where
which
which
who
to
go
to?
Because
there
is
a
lot
of
value
that
can
be
lifted
without
the
least
amount
of
regulatory
con
strains
with
a
significant
problem
set?
That
is
not
already
solved
by
that
by
web
2
right.
So
it's
like
it's
like
it's
like.
That
is
what,
where
I'm,
what
what
I'm?
What
I'm
you
know
pushing
the
conversation
towards
is
like
it's
like.
We
have
not
done
that
hard
work.
C
We
have
not
done
identified,
we
we,
you
know
supply
chain,
blah
blah
blah
wonderful,
it
is
takes
a
lot
of
change
management
right.
Where
do?
Where
is
the
situation
where,
basically,
one
party
can
tell
the
other
parties
is
like
it's
like
jump,
and
the
only
thing
that
the
other
parties
are
gonna
say
is
how
high.
C
Right
but
it
it
only
got
mass
adoption,
because
microsoft
put
it
into
windows,
95
and
said:
that's
it
yeah
and
everybody
else
was
going
like
holy
yeah
right,
and
why
was
it
like
it
was
it
was?
There
was
no
choice.
People
had
no
choice,
they
had
to
do
it.
There
was
no
choice
because
they
had
made
a
previous
choice
to
use
microsoft
right.
B
Now
last
time
that
was
when
the
the
unified
platinum,
I
mean
the
integrated
platform
to
where
you
had.
You
know
office
to
where
it's
like
you've
got.
You
know,
word
excel
powerpoint
whatever,
and
you
know,
depending
on
your
level
of
membership
or
paying.
You
know,
you'll
get
whatever
features
and
functionality,
but
we're
going
to
throw
internet
explorer
in
there
as
well.
And
since
you
had
people
that
were
already
using
these
things,
and
now
it's
oh
well,
fine,
I
can.
B
I
can
now
go
on
the
internet
and
I
don't
have
to
download
you
know
any
new
programs
or
anything
like
that.
Yeah,
where
really
microsoft
got
to
you
know,
really
push
that
forward
was
in
the
transmission
and
the
communication
that
you
know
basically
took.
You
know:
300
600,
baud
modems,
and
I
think
we
got
up
to
56
six.
C
Right,
the
big
big
point
being:
where
is
it?
Where
is
that?
Where
is
where
are
those
niches?
Where
are
those
situations
where
there
is
there's
a
lot
of
value
at
risk,
where
there's
still
a
lot
of
inefficiencies,
and
where
you
have
you
know
one
or
a
few
players
that
have
a
lot
of
power
over
a
lot
of
others
right
right.
C
C
You
need
to
get
a
couple
of
those
of
those
of
those
players
together
and,
in
my
opinion,
where
we
need
to
go
also
from
an
outreach
team
is
go
into
into
into
industry
standard
bodies,
not
tech
standards,
business
standards
bodies
because
they
have
working
groups
that
have
that
are
discussing
these
these
these
these
problems
they're
trying
to
define
standards
for
common
business
problems
in
their
industry.
B
C
So
we
need
to
go
where
they
are
everybody
uses
well,
we
need
to
go
where
they
are,
where
they
are
already
congregating
right.
It's
like
we
need
to
find.
We
need
to
find
the
water
holes
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
sahara,
where
all
the
animals
are
are
going
to
come.
Where.
C
Welcome
so
thank
you,
so
I
think
that's
that's
the
that.
That's
you
know.
That
is,
I
think
what
the
outreach
team
could
could
really
do
is
to
is
to
because
you
need
to
not
individual
companies,
in
my
opinion,
is,
is
is
where
you
go,
but
you
have
groups
of
companies
that
are
already
talking
about
a
common
business
problem,
because
they're
willing
they're
willing
to
do
they're
willing
to
implement
change
they're.
What
they're
talking
about
standards
they're
talking
about
use
cases
that
that
are
that
are
important
to
them.
C
So
if
you
can
get
those
that
are
in
there,
and
even
if
it's
only
half
to
do
that,
that's
the
that's
the
that's
the
that's
the
key
thing,
so
outreach
team.
You
know,
that's
my
challenge
to
you
guys
and
happy
to
talk
to
tag
along,
find
those
sdos
find
those
working
groups
get
in
there.
You
know,
participate
and
say
you
know,
because
oasis
has
a
lot
of
leverage.
C
Of
course
right
they
can
say
it's
like
look.
We
want
to
we
want
to
you
know
we
want
to
we've
identified
these
things,
there's
stuff
that
that's
going
on.
Let
you
know
let
let
us
present
to
those
to
those
to
those
identified
working
groups.
So
my
my
my
my
two
way
to
bring
it
back
to
to
our
to
our
beloved
crypto
sphere
to
what.
C
What
in,
in
my
opinion,
is
probably
a
possible
way
to
success,
because
you're
already
getting
into
you're
you're
already
going
to
the
you're
starting
at
the
watering
hole
rather
than
bringing
trying
trying
to
get
the
trying
to
to
point
the
animals
to
the
to
the
to
the
watering
hole.
B
Yes,
and
but
one
thing
that
where
you
run
into
is
everybody,
is
friendly
and
cordial
at
the
watering
hole
it's
when
you
get
them
away
from
it
and
stuff,
and
when
you
know
you
have
a
new
standard
or
you
have
a
new
concept
that
we're
putting
together.
You
know
that
is
not
a
full-fledged
product
and
we
are
looking
for
people
to
co-create
this
with
them.
That
is
then
going
to
require.
Okay,
if
you'll
have
the
sponsorship
and
the
budgetary
support
from
the
business
domain.
B
C
C
Is
we
have
a
possible
solution
for
you,
because
you're
always
talking
about
multi
multiparty
when
you're
creating
a
standard
around
like
invoices
or
ordering?
Or
what
have
you
not
right?
You
know
where
you're
or
or
you're
doing
for,
for
particular,
you
know
it's
like
whatever
is
is.
Is
your
you're
in
a
in
a
particular
industry
body
where
you're
you're
you're
creating
a
standard
that
solves
a
that
solves
or
is
trying
to
make
things
easier
in
a
multi-party
environment?
C
Right
that
is
that's
the
way
it's
like
it's
like.
Let
us
be
our
our.
You
know
it's
like
it's
like
it's
like
in
implementation
resource,
because
we
have
something
that
really
works
and
guess
what
we're
actually
going
to
implement
your
standard,
because
it's
typically
just
a
schema
or
something
like
that
or
a
method
right,
which
is
not
which
is
not,
which
is
not
that
terribly
hard,
but
I
think
it's.
C
That
is
something
where
you
know
you're,
where,
if
everybody
chips
in
that's
enough
to
to
to
actually
fund
such
a
project
as
a
grant,
for
example,
right
two
two,
two,
two
four
four
four
core
devs
to
come
together
to
to
to
do
it
right,
so
I
or
you
know,
put
it
on
git
coin
right,
it's
it's!
You
know
or
do
both.
C
In
my
opinion,
this
is
this
is
this
is
where
we
need
to
where
we
need
to
go,
because
talking
with
individual
companies
is
not
gonna.
Go
is
is,
is,
is,
is
a
much
longer
poll
in
the
tent
than
than
than
if
you
actually
talk
to
groups
of
people
that
already
have
a
have
a
reason
to
be
to
be
there
and
together,
because
they
chose
to
be
there.
D
C
D
A
C
Oh
good,
so
let's
do
it
say
hi
to
tram,
I'm
I'm
there,
I'm
there,
I'm
there,
I'm
their
interim
cto,
basically
so
the
the
the.
So
I
think
I
think
that
I
that's
my.
Those
are
my
two
set
two
cents.
It's
like
this
is
what
what
you
know
I
I
have
been
thinking
about
this
for
a
while,
and
I
I
I
think
that
from
what
I've
been
seeing
right,
also
from
the
projects
that
I'm
involved
in
this
seems
to
be
the
shortest
path
to
success.
C
A
C
C
Wow
now
now
he
goes
across
immediately
to
dynamite
sticks.
It's
like
it's
like
immediately
w-m-d,
damn
keith
you're
like
you're
like
you're,
like
really
on
it.
No,
but
I
so
it's
it's
it's
the
the
the
yeah
yeah
I
would.
I
would
rather
go
where
the
fish
are
are
already
in
the
barrel
and
they
they
they
have
a
reason
to
be
in
the
barrel.
So.
C
A
Thank
you
all
for
joining
our
live
audience
and
that
engaging
discussion.
We
will
have
to
reference
this
in
our
core
devs
and
outreach
team,
because
it
was
very
useful
and
thank
you
for
those
who
were
tuning
in.
We
will
see
you
all
next
week.
Thank
you
so
much
yeah.
If
you
want
to
know
more
about
cornwall
stay
tuned
for
our
yeah
after
the
baseline
show.