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A
B
A
Gang
that's
our
illustrious
panelists
here
on
the
baseline
protocol
office
hours.
We
do
every
week,
it's
good
to
see
everybody
here.
I'm
gonna
guess
that
we're
gonna
have
a
real
small
crowd.
Today,
I
think
after
covet
everybody
is
taking
the
at
least
in
the
us
is
taking
the
july
4th
holiday.
C
A
Seriously
so
and
which
makes
us
a
bunch
of
knuckleheads,
we
should
be
all
on
a
beach
somewhere
getting
exposed
to
the
d
variant
or
whatever.
A
That's
the
the
vitamin
d
variant
yeah
that
would
be
yeah,
that's
that
was
hopefully
not
a
two
off
color
joke
there
yeah.
So
it's
good
to
see
it
see
you
guys
lots,
there's,
there's
news
and
then
there's
news.
So
let's
just
get
right
to
it:
the
eea,
the
ethereum
enterprise
ethereum
alliance,
which
has
been
a
an
organization
that
has
been
around
since
2015
2016,
really
was
at
the
dawn
of
the
of
the
you
know.
A
How
do
we
use
blockchain
in
business
conversation
set
up
by
a
bunch
of
companies,
including
bank
of
san
sender
and
and
consensus
and
others?
They
have
announced
that
with
the
oasis,
the
ethereum
oasis
organization,
or
rather
oasis
open,
which
is
the
venerable
standards
body
that
is
the
housing
unit
for
for
the
baseline
protocol
community
is
now
they
have
merged
the
operation
into
a
new.
A
What
is
now
called
has
gone
from
oasis
or
ethereum
oasis,
open
project
to
eea,
open
projects,
they've
done
a
deal
between
and
we
will
have
dan
a
burnett
from
the
eea.
That's
the
chair
of
the
dea
and
guy
martin,
the
managing
director
of
of
oasis
on
the
show
next
week,
they're
both
tied
up
and
can't
do
it
today,
but
they
will
come
on
and
explain
the
whole
thing
next
week.
A
Oh
I'm
hearing
from
nick
that
we're
getting
audio
snapping
and
popping
on
youtube.
I
think
I
know
what
that's
about
and
I'll
I'll
fix
that
right
now,
so
everybody
stand
by
and
we'll
be
right
back.
A
All
right
we
should
be
back.
Can
somebody
double
check.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
so
we're
we're
we're
talking
again
and
is
there
any
popping?
No,
no
popping
somebody
else
talk
can.
Can
we
hear
everybody?
Okay,
it
looks
good,
john,
all
right,
yeah,
good
old
obs.
A
I
think
now
that
we're
maturing,
maybe
for
v1
I'll,
upgrade
the
the
broadcast
system
here
in
the
in
the
home
office,
but
yeah.
Thank
thanks
francis
for
telling
us
that
appreciate
it
yeah.
It
seems
like
whenever
we,
when,
whenever
we
load
up
youtube
and
if
I
don't
do
it
exactly
right,
obs
and
and
then
I
throw
up
obs
to
to
broadcast
to
youtube,
but
sometimes
it
gets
a
little
tricky
but
yeah.
A
So
so,
where
were
we
we're
talking
about
eea
and
now
the
new
ethereum
enterprise,
ethereum
alliance,
open
projects
program
and
baseline?
The
baseline
pro
protocol
organization
is
part
of
that.
So
now
we
are
under
this
new
moniker,
where
the
eea
and
oasis
are
working
together,
hannah
glove
to
shepherd
our
way
into
the
enterprise
and
run
standards
and
open
source.
A
The
net
of
the
I
mean
the
the
real
simple
story
behind
this
is
that
the
eea
is
a
industry
standards,
body
membership
driven,
which
means
that
there
are
a
bunch
of
companies
that
pay
to
be
members
to
be
part
of
that
body
and
they
do
a
bunch
of
industry
standards,
stuff,
the
oasis,
open
organization,
that
is,
you
know,
that's
behind,
sgml
and
and
mqtt
and
amqp,
and
all
these
open
standards
that
often
find
their
way
into
ieee
or
iso.
Or
what
have
you?
A
So
you
know
contributors
to
baseline
programs,
there's
dozens
and
dozens
of
them,
and
some
of
them
come
from
companies
or
are
individuals
that
are
not
paying
members
of
anything
at
all.
But
oasis
has
a
way
of
making
sure
that
we
protect.
You,
know
intellectual
property
and
make
sure
that
people
that
are
stealing
somebody
else's
stuff
that
doesn't
get
into
any
of
the
any
of
the
work
and
that
sort
of
thing.
But
you
don't
have
to
be
a
member.
A
You
could
just
be
a
person,
you
could
be
a
company,
that's
not
paying
a
paying
member,
but
you
can
be
involved
in
the
work
and
so
ea
and
oasis
together.
Allow
you
to
be
a
member
where
membership
is
something
that's
desired
for
industry
decision
making,
and
you
can
also
just
you
know,
be
a
non-member
and
contribute
to
the
open
standards
and
open
source
work.
A
I'd
say
probably
the
most
you
know,
one
of
the
the
most
advanced
things
is
that
the
convergence
of
open
source
work,
which
we
all
have
been
living
for
a
number
of
years
and
open
standards,
work
into
the
same
operation,
so
baseline,
is
really
on
the
cutting
edge
of
that,
in
that
we
have
a
standards
body
and
the
the
the
people
in
the
standards
team
are
also
on
the
maintainers
team
and
a
lot
of
the
maintainers
are
are
writing
standards,
there's
an
old
old
phrase
in
in
computer
science,
or
at
least
in
in
engineering.
A
You
know
code
talks
and
talk
walks,
but
when
you're
trying
to
get
a
whole
industry
when
you're
trying
to
get
everybody
on
the
same
page
about
something
like
baselining
code
talks,
but
you
better
have
the
the
words
behind
it
and
everybody
better
be
singing
off
the
same
envelope
not
to
not
to
mix
metaphors.
A
So
that's
that's
eea.
The
eea,
open
projects
is
now
live
and
I'll
try
to
let's
get
the
I'll
pull
up
the
the
announcement
and
post
it
so
that
announcement
came
out
yesterday
and
nick.
Do
you
have
a
oops
yeah
there?
It
is.
There
was
a
nice
article
about
in
cointelegraph
by
our
one
of
our
favorite
reporters
rachel,
wolfson
and
here
is
put
this
in.
A
So
you've
got
it
right:
we've
got
mohan,
we've
got
lucas,
we've
got
tyler,
we've
got
ryan
and
boris
jack
from
provide
mark
cattle.
As
always,
I
think,
mark.
I
think
you
you
get
prize
for
being,
most
faithful
and
and
yeah.
I
think
you
definitely
get
the
attendance
award
for
a
guy,
not
on
payroll
who
who
consistently
supports
the
community.
A
B
A
E
B
I
think
it's
important
and
interesting
now
that
I
mean
john
coming
from
the
ea
myself.
B
You
know
that's
something
that
we
had
some
understanding
that
was
transpiring
for
throughout
some
hard
work
from
dan
and
the
great
organization,
but-
and
so
we're
really
excited
about
where
it's
now
brought
us
to,
and
I
do
think
it's
exemplary
of
where
the
greater
ethereum
ecosystem
is
moving
towards
and
seeing
you
know,
just
as
you
mentioned
from
not
only
the
open
source
work
but
from
looking
deeper
into
utilizing
public
networks
and
entering
public
mainnet,
as
we
have
embarked
on
this
kind
of
journey
together
and
doing
so
so
really
excited
about
seeing
that
and
moving
in
that
direction.
F
Jack
real,
quick!
Well,
while
we've
got
you
there's
a
question
on
the
the
live
chat
that
says
what
would
be
the
determining
factor
for
a
company
to
be
baselined
using
the
provide
tech
stack
or
not
using
the
tech
stack?
What
are
the
advantages
and
disadvantages?
I
tried
to
answer
in
chat,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
opportunity
for
you
to
to.
B
Yeah,
hey,
I
mean,
I
think
it's
often
as
we
look
as
we
know,
it's
kind
of
use,
case
specific
and
so
as
soon
as
we're
able
to
kind
of
dissect.
What
that
use
case
and
the
actual
workflow
is
a
little
bit
more
in
depth.
We
can
quickly
see
where
we're
able
to
effectively
baseline
and
synchronize
amongst
that
process.
So
you
know,
as
kind
of
throughout
a
number
of
these
opportunities,
it's
like
it's
the
first
time
we're
taking
them
in
stride
and
we're
learning
more
deeply
about
those
workflows
and
then
we're
like
okay.
B
F
Yeah,
so
so,
no
matter
what
the
process
is,
though,
once
you
identify
those
areas
to
baseline,
you
need
the
components
to
do
so
right.
You
need
the
messaging,
and
you
know
the
key
management,
and
you
know
the
clients
and
all
of
that
and
provides
them
a
good
job
of
bringing
you
know
the
choice
of
components,
bringing
them
together
with
their
own
clue
via
shuttle
and
other
technologies
in
delivering
the
first
commercial
baseline
protocol
platform
right.
B
F
One
of
the
advantages:
sorry,
one
of
the
advantages
for
dev
teams
is
ultimately
time
to
market,
or
you
know
time
to
completion
for
their
project.
You
can
certainly
use
other
components,
but
you
know,
then
you
have
to
do
the
testing,
the
integration
yourself
and
the
maintenance
yourself,
whereas
using
an
integrated
stack
like
that
provided
by
provide
the
name,
there
really
makes
things
easier
and
and
again
you're
standing
on
shoulders
of
people
that
have
been
successful.
So
I'll
stop.
B
F
B
The
one
of
the
primary
things
that
we've
been
focused
on
throughout
the
the
whole
building
of
the
platform
has
preferred
to
been
just
really
seamless
and
using
production
grade.
Having
confidence
in
that
and,
like
I
said,
just
the
seamless
in
the
utilization
of
the
actual
platform.
So
that's
something
that
we're
focused
on.
C
A
If
you
have
a
chance
to
buy
lucas
code
you're
going
to
want
lucas
code
because
it's
it's
the
best
code,
it's
lucas
code,
so
yeah
I
mean
all
joking
is
shot
aside.
It's
probably
not
not
to
embarrass
you
lucas,
but
luke
lukas
was
on
the
original
ey
consensus,
microsoft
team.
When
we
were
coming
up
with
the
stuff
and
now
he's
over
at
provide
I'm
and
somehow
survived.
You
know
the
hit
that
was
probably
placed
on
him
by
ey
when
he
left
so
far
I'll
tell
you
what.
F
A
No,
I
think
I
imagine
it
would
be
pretty
hard
to
lose
you
so
yeah.
I
think
that
the
the
work
is
interesting
and
I
I
have
to
say
you
know
I
was
just
telling
the
the
the
project
government
support
this
today.
You
know
I
I
used
to
be
a
little
conflicted
about
this,
that
you
know
I
want
you
know
all
the
companies
contributing
equally
to
the
to
the
standard
and
to
the
code
base
and
building
lots
of
implementations.
A
A
You
know
usually
behind
these
major
projects,
and
then
you
get
a
lot
of
input
from
others
and,
for
example,
bishwari
day
who
we're
going
to
talk
about
we're
going
to
talk
to
you
in
a
second
about
her
experience
with
trying
to
implement
this
stuff
that
that
you
know,
I
think
it's
okay
and
the
fact
that
provide
and
unibright
bet
the
farm
on
on
this,
even
though
it
came
from
other
companies
like
ey,
like
consensus
and
others.
There's.
A
You
know,
and-
and
if
that
said,
I'm
really
hopeful
that
that
your
success
starts
to
breed
lots
of
other
entrants,
because
a
single
platform
standard
is
a
pretty
weak
standard.
What
you
want
is
everybody
racing
to
the
top
saying,
oh,
my
stan.
My
implementation
is
better
for
that
standard,
we're
more
compliant
than
you
are
yeah
you.
You
know
that
that
should
be
in
your
marketing
right,
which
means
that
there
needs
to
be
a
plurality,
but
right
now
you
know
it's
we're
maturing
and
and
we're
young
and
yeah.
A
You've
got
what
you
need
go
for
it,
but
if
you
don't
want,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
just
blow
past
that
and
get
into
application
development,
then
you're
going
to
need
something
like
a
provide,
stack
and
a
you
know,
other
stuff.
So
so
good
on
you
for
that,
hey
bishwashree!
A
You
have
had
some
experience
now
trying
to
build
a
new
project
you're
one
of
the
several
people
that
have
been
given
a
grant
to
build
things
and
do
r
d
on
the
baseline
protocol,
and
I
and
I
noted
your
your
questions
about
things
that
you
know
that
we
need
to
that.
You
need.
You
would
need
to
see
to
have
made
your
experience
figuring
this
stuff
out
better,
and
I
thought
today
would
be
a
good
exam
good
time
to
discuss.
That
is
that,
okay,
with
you.
A
A
Oh
yep
you're
there,
okay
cool,
so
I'm
gonna
just
start
posting.
Some
of
the
points
that
you
made.
You
made
eight
really
solid
points,
and
maybe
we
can
talk
about
them.
I'm
gonna
I'll
put
them
on
the
live
stream,
one
at
a
time.
So
the
first
one
was
the
schema
for
the
messaging.
The
message
that
would
be
you
know,
one
of
the
things
you
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
would
been
better
information
about
the
schema
for
the
message
that
would
be
sent
and
received
on
the
baseline
stack.
A
What
items
need
to
be
present
in
the
message
I.e
like
primary
key
column,
name
et
cetera?
Where
did
you
get
stuck
on
that,
and
maybe
you
can
tell
us
about
it.
G
G
Whatever
changes
I'm
making
on
my
record
or
the
date,
any
changes,
I'm
making
in
the
data
of
my
record,
that
needs
to
get
reflected
on
the
with
the
counterparty.
That's
correct
right.
A
G
So
so,
to
figure
out
what
what
portion
exactly
of
the
record
was
changed
to
identify
that
which
column
was
changed
for
which
of
the
records.
So
what
all
basic
items
such
as
the
primary
key
or
the
column
name,
is
required
to
be
sent
over
to
the
other
party.
C
So
that's
an
interesting
point
because
the
way
that
I
the
way
that
I
see
it-
I
did
read
the
email
this
morning
and
I
thought
about
it
for
a
bit
and
the
way
that
I
see
it.
C
This
reconciliation,
this
checks
to
ensure
that
the
correct
thing
has
been
changed
is
automatic,
meaning
one
of
the
features
of
baseline
is
knowing
that
you
don't
really
have
to
know
all
the
details
of
what
has
changed,
where
to
know
that
the
change
has
happened
correctly.
C
A
Frustration
with
most
projects,
stocks
isn't
what's
been
documented,
it's
what
they
just
didn't
document
right.
It's
like
I'm,
like
I'm
thinking
that
this
can
be
done.
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
why
I
can't
do
it
and
because
the
community
or
the
or
the
company
that
that's
putting
out
the
software
didn't
you
know
they
just
didn't
comment
on
it
or
and
in
some
companies
cases
they
suppress
information
about
that
at
all,
because
they
don't
want
you
doing
it.
A
C
So
agree
that
that
is
definitely
something
that
that
that
is
missing
and
something
that
that
we're
working
on
giving
a
a
better
view
of
how
this
reconciliation
happens.
C
Because
and
as
your
email
does
state,
I
think
we
do
get
a
bit
lost
on
zero
knowledge
explanations
when
it
comes
to
to
the
documentation
of
how
that
reconciliation
happens.
There's
a
very
good
reason
for
that,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
the
reconciliation
happens
through
zero
knowledge
proofs,
but
we
could
try
and
lay
down
a
bit
of
a
more
simplistic
version
of
how
the
serial
knowledge
proofs
work
without
having
to
delve
into
the
actual
technical.
So
I
I
just
think
that
would
be
quite
useful.
G
Yeah,
that
would
be
very
helpful,
because
what
is
happening
is
that
I
am
getting
an
inbound
message
from
the
baseline
stack
and
now
I'm
a
little
lost
on
how,
because
I
have
to
reflect
that
the
message
that
I've
received
on
my
excel
spreadsheet
and
because
I'm
I
don't
understand
how
automatically
the
data
is
getting
mapped,
I'm
not
able
to
figure
out
on
which
of
the
cell
or
which
of
the
records.
The
message
I
receive
needs
to
be
reflected
on
or
which
portion
of
the
excel
sheet
do.
G
I
need
to
change
to
correctly
reflect
the
inbound
message
that
I
have
received
from
the
baseline
exactly.
E
Can
I
ask
a
question
here
to
diversity
and
lucas?
Is
this
an
issue
of
marshalling
an
unmarking
of
of
data?
Basically,
where
you
have
a
data
model
and
you
want
to
know
how
to
marshal
and
send
it
off
or
when
you
get
a
piece
of
data?
How
do
I
marshal?
What's
the
what's
the
you
know,
so
the
meta
model
that
I
need
to
use
to
unmarshal
that
object
is
that
what
we're
talking
about.
C
I
I
think,
we're
talking
more
of
a
process
flow
issue
here
of
understanding,
exactly
how
information
gets
exchanged
and
where
information
gets
modified,
different
at
different
places
in
the
in
the
flow
of
the
of
the
baseline
process.
That
being
said,
I
think
that
we
announced
last
last
week.
A
Well,
while
you
guys
are
probably
chatting
behind
the
scenes
to
see
what
you,
what
you're,
what
you
can
say,
I
should
we
should
probably
mention
that
bishwashri
is
building
a
project
that
baselines
excel
spreadsheets
with
other
systems
of
record
like
sap
and
such
so
pretty
interesting
right.
A
similar
project
was
done
some
time
ago
around
the
google
sheets.
A
Bishwasher
is
doing
something
similar
with
excel,
and
I
love
this
right.
I
could
even
use
an
excel
spreadsheet
and
baseline
right.
So
if
I
was
using
an
excel
spreadsheet
for
my
accounts,
receivable
system
of
small
company,
I
could
still
participate
in
baselining,
which
is
kind
of
cool
and
just
to
set
the
context.
I
just
realized
that
we
didn't
tell
people
what
what
bishwashree's
project
was.
So
that's
why
this
is
these
questions
are
important.
B
Yeah
there's
been
a
lot
of
good
work
going
there.
I
know
from
a
documentation
perspective
that
dave
and
kyle
and
the
team
have
been
putting
a
lot
into
that,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
being
updated
as
we
progress
here,
we
certainly
welcome
feedback
from
the
community.
That's
looking
to
get
more
involved
relative
to
excel
baselining
of
it
for
contributed
efforts
to
that
and
yeah
we're
working
to
synthesize
a
lot
of
the
work.
That's
been
done
with
dishwasher
the
envision
team
and
to
update
that
documentation
very
soon.
Here.
A
You
know
okay,
so
the
next
question
was
watch
where
you
wrote
that
we
need
an
understanding
of
how
the
data
yeah
that
we're
sending
will
be
mapped
with
the
date
of
the
counterparty.
I
guess
that's
what
we
were
just
discussing
yeah
and
then
the
third
question
was
what
api
of
the
baseline
stack
and
the
add-in
needs
to
call.
What
are
the
part
parameters,
responses
and
errors
of
these
apis?
What
what
are
the
endpoints,
where
I
need
to
send
these
api
calls
to
so
so
how
do
we?
A
How
would
one
just
starting
out-
and
we
can
have
more
conversations
about
this-
that's
the
point
of
this
meeting
there.
These
this
weekly
call
is
all
about,
and
we
can
have
additional
ones
like
this,
where
we
discuss
this
stuff,
how
can
we
make
that
up
more?
Obviously,
where
did
you
schwarze?
Where
did
you
find
yourself
confused
about
that
like
what?
What
part
of
the
development
process,
where
were
you.
G
So
I
had
first
mapped
out
what
outbound
message
I
need
to
send
to
the
baseline
stack
and
I
was
working
with
kyle
on
this,
so
he
had
taught
me
how
to
run
the
baseline
stack
locally.
But
now
I
was
having
now.
I
am
able
to
send
my
message
to
the
baseline
stack,
but
it
is
sending
back
back
some
errors
to
me
and
because
I
do
not
know
what
what
all
the
exact
specification
of
those
apis,
I'm
not
able
to
figure
out
why
that
error
is
acting.
A
I
think
that
one
and
the
the
next
one
are
a
lot
about
tools
right,
so
you
also
asked
for
a
simplified
view
on
how
messengers
are
sent
and
received
on
the
on
the
stack
outbound
inbound
too
many
too
many
details
on
this
on
the
zk
circuits
are
making
a
little
confusing
is
what
you
said
by
the
way.
A
These
are
all
really
good
inputs
and
requirement
sort
of
basis
for
some
requirements
in
our
v1
work,
which
we're
really
starting
a
turbo
charge
on
that,
I
think,
especially
after
the
the
holiday
here,
we're
gonna
we're
having
a
big
summit
where
we're.
A
Person
at
the
end
of
the
month,
where
we're
gonna
start
to
strategize
or
not
start,
but
finish,
strategizing
and
locking
in
and
starting
to
to
get
the
work
done
for
the
v1
production
grade
spec,
so
that'll
be
a
lot
of
these.
These
questions
are
gonna.
Go
straight
into
that
like
how
do
we
make
this
easier
for
developers?
How
do
we
make
that
easier
for
developers
any
thoughts
there?
Lucas.
C
Sorry,
one
second
yeah,
no,
no
thoughts,
I
mean
I'm
looking
forward
to
it.
I
think
that
that
it's
gonna
be
good
to
to
have
all
the
all
the
documentation,
all
the
processes
ready
to
to
get
that
v1
out
excited
for
it.
I
think.
A
Yeah,
I
think,
and
tools
that
that
do
make
it
simpler
to
to
visualize
some
of
these.
You
know
the
the
back
and
forth
the
messages
and
and
deal
with
the
vk
circuits
when
when
they're
involved
is
gonna,
be
helpful.
I
know
that
sam
stokes
who's
can't
be
with
us
today,
he's
he's
catching
a
fish
and
I'm
pretty
jealous
of
it
out.
There
fly
fishing.
A
I
haven't
fly
fished
in
quite
a
while,
but
I
was
I
was
like
whoa.
I
want
to
go
with
you,
but
sam
sam
has
been
doing
some
really
interesting
work
on
the
on
a
a
visualizer
and
a
dashboard.
A
B
A
B
Just
to
add
in
a
little
bit
there,
john
just
on
the
documentation
piece,
I
know
the
team
from
our
side
is
working
hard.
It's
a
goal
of
ours
just
to
have
educational
resources
that
are
that.
Are
there
that
kind
of
enable
the
developer
ecosystem
in
a
self-sufficient
way,
and
so
we
feel
that
we're
getting
much
closer
to
that.
There's
been
a
lot
of
work
just
from
an
overall
documentation
perspective.
B
A
Yeah,
you
know
I
I
you
know.
I
I'm
sure
that
I
think
I
certainly
was
like
this
when
I
was
writing
anything
it's
very
hard
to
do
what
you
know
what
we
like
to
do
in
agile
right,
which
is
especially
an
open
source
agile,
which
is,
you
know,
put
things
into
a
little
tiny
box.
You
know
saying
I'm
going
to
build
this
little
tiny
thing,
I'm
going
to
do
a
pull
request
on
that
people
are
going
to
review
it.
A
It's
going
to
be
fast
and
small,
and
then
we're
going
to
do
another
one
we're
going
to
iterate
little
baby
steps
fast,
baby
steps
over
and
over
again
that's
the
ideal
thing,
but
a
lot
of
creative
people.
You
know
creative
developers,
that's
really
hard
for
them
right.
They
wanna.
You
know
they
kind
of
they'll,
be
up
all
night
for
seven
nights
in
a
row
and
they
will
come
out
with
this
thing.
A
Out
of
you
know
the
head
of
zeus
that
that
then
people
this
monstrosity,
those
people
have
to
kind
of
digest,
and
so
there's
always
this
tug
of
war
between.
I
want
to
get
it
done,
but
I
I
don't
my
mind,
isn't
working
in
these
little
pieces.
I
want
to
do
a
big
thing
and
I'm
going
to
dump
it
on
the
community
and
then
the
community
is
going
to
have
to
gag
it
down
and
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
it.
A
B
I
think
in
the
efforts
one
thing
I
know
that
kyle's
always
been
heavily
focused
on
is
building
out
the
architecture
in
the
best
kind
of
future
state
sustainable
way
like
what
is
going
to
be
ultimately
the
best
for
the
actual
platform
itself.
So
whatever
that
kind
of
takes
are
the
level
of
investment
efforts
that
we're
willing
to
make?
A
B
Sold
doors,
open
doors,
open
doors,
open
we're,
we're
welcoming
anyone,
anyone
that
wants
to
come
in
and
work
to,
whether
it
be
based
on
a
different
use
case
or
whether
it
be
seeking
to
better
understand
how
that
they
can
apply
it
within
their
own
platform.
A
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
We
we
appreciate
that
that's
a
lot
of
work
but
yeah.
I
definitely
encourage
you
to
you
know.
Instead
of
putting
out
things
in
big
chunks,
you
know
open
source
little
pieces
of
it.
You
know
that
way
that
way.
A
A
But,
like
I
said,
as
I
you
know
said
it
earlier,
it's
that's
easier
said
than
done
so
we'll
take
it.
However,
we
get
it.
So
what
some
other
and
so
dishwasher
had
some
other
questions
you
know
like
how
do
we
set
up?
How
does
one
set
up
the
baseline
stack
locally
and
interact
with
it?
What
commands
you
know
what
so
bishwash
we
want
to
talk
more
about
that
like.
Where
did
you
get
stuck
there.
G
Yeah,
so
I
did
not
really
get
stuck,
but
I
think,
as
a
suggestion,
I
would
like
you
guys
to
put
it
in
the
document,
because
kyle
had
to
really
walk
me
through
each
of
the
step
and
tell
me
what
commands
I
needed
to
use.
It
took
like
more
than
an
hour
for
us
to
set
it
up.
A
G
We
did
not
think
of
that.
We
were
just.
A
E
E
Fine,
I
might
do
that
so
bishop,
if
you
can,
if
we,
if
you're,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
mean
out
of
beeps
and
joining
a
you
know
session,
perhaps
a
carl
and
you,
if
you
want
to
go
through
it
again,.
G
I
know
the
commands
after
it
has
been
set
up,
but
the
basic
setup
I
I
just
because
I
just
did
it
once
I'm
not
like.
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it
by
myself.
E
The
just
to
give
you.
A
Yeah,
maybe
maybe
lucas
and
and
mohan
you
guys
could
get.
A
C
A
I
would
I
would
buy
popcorn
to
that
event,
so
that
would
be
great
yeah.
C
B
A
You
guys
already
created
some
content
around
that
the
learning
from
that
from
the
the
teaching
process
I
like
to
make
it
easy
to
teach.
You
know
I
mean
be
great
at
like
on
the
docs
right,
just
here's
how
you
set
it
up
right.
B
I
was
just
I
was
going
to
say:
that's
part
of
the
documentation
being
made
right
now.
David
and
good
team
are
putting
that
together,
so
sweet.
C
A
C
But
mon,
if,
if
you
want
hit
me
up
on
slack
I'll,
be
more
than
happy
to
to
walk
you
through
that,
I
do
have
some
time.
C
Tonight
is
perfect.
I
am
working,
I
am.
I
am
working
pretty
much
eastern
time
so
whenever
it's
good
for
you.
E
My
background
is,
you
know
once
upon
a
time
I
built
a
distributed
objects
platform
where
we
have
to
do
object.
You
know
marshalling
and
marshalling
so
those
you
know
so
I'm
familiar
with
a
lot
of
the
underlying
you
know
basically
early
versions
of
json
marshalling
type
of
thing.
So
I'm
you
know
for
me,
we
are
looking
at
using
baseline
and
none
of
nobody
in
my
organization
knows
anything
about
it.
E
A
We'll
have
a
lot
of
fun.
I
want
to
say
something
about
that.
You
know
about
the
the
this.
I
think
we're
just
on
a
call
about
this.
I
almost
want
to
turn
to
the
camera
and
say:
look.
We
have
a.
A
We
have
five
years
of
history
that
we
have
to
break
through
on
this
mistaken
notion
that
blockchains
are
databases.
A
I
just
got
an
email
from
a
really
supportive
or
aerospace
organization
that
wants
to
baseline
they've
got
you
know:
10
or
20
companies,
organizations,
government
entities
and
they're
they're
they're,
looking
at
different
things,
they've
been
playing
with
corda
and
some
other
stuff
and
they're
they're
playing
with
hyper
ledger
and
a
lot
of
that's
kind
of
they.
A
A
You
know
the
use
of
blockchain
and
in
particular,
public
blockchain,
where
you
need
supremely
good
tamper
resistance
or
your
data,
which
is
not
on
a
blockchain
right,
and
I
think
in
a
way,
what
we
need
to
be
talking
about
is
baseline,
really
isn't
a
platform
right.
We've
talked
about
this
many
times
for
years.
It's
not
a
platform,
it's
a
design
technique
and
in
in
a
way,
I
think
it's
a
way
of
saying:
hey
we're
going
to
use
the
the
set
of
tools
to
basic
companies
need
a
baseline
with
other
companies.
A
That's
baselining
right,
the
minute
you
say
public
or
private
blockchain
people
get
stupid.
So
let's
stop
calling
it
that,
let's
just
say,
hey,
we
need
verified,
multi-party
workflows.
We
have
a
set
of
tools
for
that
there.
You
know,
and-
and
one
of
those
tools
is
this
machine
that
we've,
the
advent
of
which
you
know
came
a
few
years
ago,
where
you
have
a
big.
You
know
a
real
something.
That's
really
always
on
can't
be
tampered
with
and
can
confer
tamper
resistance
on
your
data,
and
I
don't
know
what
we
need
to
do.
A
I
think
we
need
to
start
like
showing
up
at
the
ieee
meetings
down
at
the
ramada
in
the
air
near
the
airport
and
stuff,
like
that,
it's
not
the
fancy
conferences
right,
the
I.t
conferences,
right,
that's
the
sig
c
conference,
or
you
know
these
kinds
of
say:
hey,
look
as
it
people.
We
have
a
tool
kit.
It
is
not
scary
used
properly.
It's
perfectly
fine
shut
up,
that's
kind
of
where
I
want
to
go
because
I'm
sick
of
having
this
conversation
about.
Oh,
my
god.
A
A
D
Just
like
one
step
the
discussion
prior
to
that,
I'm
sorry
I
was,
I
think
I
missed
a
part
of
it,
but
bishwashvi
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
what
you
were
doing
with
with
kyle
and
and
provide
you're
setting
up.
Basically,
the
provide
stack
to
basically
with
the
block
with
the
basic
for
baselining
is
that
is
my
understanding,
correct.
A
Provide
stack
is
right
now,
the
leader
in
a
commercial
offering
that
implements
the
baseline
pattern.
Yeah.
Okay,
you.
F
A
D
Oh
yeah,
no,
no,
we
didn't
we
did
set
up
for
like
for
our
grant.
We
said
we
worked
with
sam,
so
we
basically
we
said
we
were
able
to
run
basically
he's
his
code
and
basically,
he
the
stack
or
like
the
testing
environment.
He
created
with
no
issues
so
and
now
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
saying
to
myself:
should
we
also
maybe
participate
in
this
and
and
probably
more
and
we
have
reviewed
prior
to
that
we
reviewed
the
provide
stack
and
and
and
the
networking
I
mean
the
modules
that
that
get
involved.
B
B
F
D
Sheets,
it's
just.
I
hate
if
you'll
be
sending
up
multiple
sessions,
because
if
we
could
follow
lucas,
I
would
like
to
set
it
up
ourselves
kind
of
basically
follow
him
step
by
step
and
set
it
up
in
our
environment,
as
he
goes
not
just
kind
of
I
I
hate
doing
it.
I
don't
think
in
a
way:
it's
it's
a
waste,
doing
a
demo
and
not
following
it,
because
it's
it's
nice
when
somebody
you
could
follow
them,
set
it
up.
You
know
environment
and
around
it,
then
so
that
that's
why
I'm
bringing
this
up
yeah
so.
A
Boris,
you
know
you
bring
up
a
really
crucial
point
on
this.
The
chat
there
was
a
conversation
side
conversation
about
this
a
little
bit
up
upstream
from
right.
Now,
where
we
were
talking
about
you
know,
do
you
have
to
use
provide
or
not
so
it's
kind
of
like
saying
or
out
of
five
dentists
prefer
provide.
You
know
I
mean
if
there's
nothing
wrong
with
using
other
things.
That's
the
point
of
a
standard
right.
A
You
know
you
shouldn't
have
to
buy
your
wall
outlet
from
a
single
provider
or
vendor
in
order
to
get
three
prongs
and
120
volts
right.
You
know
it's
it.
The
standard
says
anybody
that
com
that
complies
with
the
standard
is,
is
gonna,
be
okay
right!
That's
the
that's
the
idea,
so
I'm
glad
that
you
were
able
to
use.
A
You
know
sam's
bri,
to
stack,
and
so,
if
you
were
not
a
systems
level
person
you
might
use
provide
because
it's
kind
of
done
the
work
for
you,
you
guys
being
systems
level,
people
could
say:
okay,
yeah.
I
can
use
some
of
this
stuff
from
bri
too,
and
from
sam's
work
and
and
then
and
then
but
you're.
You
guys
are,
you
know
what
you're
doing
and
you
had
to
probably
roll
a
lot
of
your
own
stuff
and
and
having
done
that,
it
should
interrupt
with
anybody
anything
that
somebody
built
on,
provide
and.
D
D
That's,
that's
you
yeah,
that's
the
reason
I
mean.
First
of
all.
Basically
we
could
run
it
in
one,
but
then
we
could
try
running
into
multiple
environments.
If,
if
yeah.
D
Let's
first
take
the
first
step
that
we
discussed
earlier
because
we
we
went
through
a
few
iterations
with
the
circuit
and
and
we
we
learned
quite
a
bit
that
the
first
one
we
built
was
useless
because
we
could
have
just
hashed
it
and
sam
said
why?
Why
you're
building
the
sam
kind
of
pointed
out
to
us
guys?
You
could
have
just
hashed
it.
You
don't
need
the
you.
You
need
a
zero
knowledge
proof
here,
so
we
we
we
did
it
and
now
I
think,
we're
much
closer
to
what
it
should
be.
D
But
what
we
learned
that
there
are
multiple
there
are
many
different
solutions
to
be
obviously
just
like
in
any
coding,
but
with
the
zero
knowledge
proofs
like
we,
we
we're
bidding
on
a
bond
and
we're
saying
I
mean
there
could
be
multiple
solutions.
Obviously,.
A
Let
me
put
this
to
lucas.
Lucas
was
really
the
one
of
the
biggest
champions
of
the
zero
knowledge
circuit
approach
in
the
early
days,
and
there
was
an
argument
way
back
in
2019
like
why
you
know.
Why
do
you
need
this?
You
know
you
can
do
edds
or
ecdsa.
You
can
do
digital
signatures.
A
A
And
the
answer
is:
if
you
just
got
one
record,
and
you
know
the
other
person
and
you
and
you
are
happy
to
manually,
set
that
channel
up
and-
and
you
know,
and
exchange
signatures
and
da
da.
B
F
A
Yeah
right
and
you've
hardwired
that
right,
it's
manual,
but
when
you
get
into
multiple
steps
and
you
and
you
get
into
so
sam
is
really
focused
right
now.
I
know
because
he
works
with
me
on
on
that
on
this
consistency.
Step
right
has
I
I've
got
a
record.
You've
got
a
record.
We
need
to
be
sure
it's
the
same
record
but
lucas.
Let
me
let
me
put
it
to
you.
Can
you
explain?
A
Could
you
take
a
shot
at?
What's
your
simplest
explanation
for
somebody
who's,
sort
of
semi-technical
kind
of
biz
tech
on
why
and
when
you
would
want
to
have
to
go
full
zero
knowledge
circuit
on
a
baseline,
workflow.
C
Yeah
sure
I
can
give
that
a
shot.
It's
been
a
while,
since
I
last
explained
this,
though,.
C
I
know
I
know
I
remember
too
john,
so
the
main
reason
where
you
would
want
you
would
want
a
baseline
implemented
is
when
you
have
several
work
steps,
or
you
have
several
steps
in
which
it's
each
step
depends
on
the
previous
one
and.
C
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
of
course,
so
the
main
thing
that
that
serial
knowledge
proves
provide
in
this
context
is
a
term
that
I've
been
trying
to
get
coined
that
I've
tried
to
coin
for
a
while
now,
but
I'm
getting
ignored.
C
It's
both
entanglement
and
correctness
by
design,
meaning
you
can
specify
a
set
of
rules
by
which
your
your
process
or
your
business
workflow
has
to
abide,
and
you
can
ensure
that
at
each
step
of
the
process
those
rules
are
going
to
be
followed
and
the
counterparty
can
be
sure
that
those
rules
are
being
followed
too
and
within
those
parameters.
C
C
Over
yeah,
over
or
under
the
price
limit
for
a
given
set
of
units,
and
if
you
do,
the
system
will
just
straight
up,
reject
your
but.
A
C
You
would
have
to
go
through
that
extra
complexity,
because,
basically,
what
this
allows
you
to
do
is
you
depend
on
the
previous
step
that
that
you
have
notarized.
You
can
use
the
the
previous
hash
in
the
next
step,
even
though
the
yeah,
as
an
input
for
for
the
next
step,
which
allows
you
to
have
this
general
consistency
throughout
the
system,
depending
on
information
that
is
stored
directly
on
the
blockchain.
C
So
if
that
was
just
a
hash,
if
that
was
just
a
hash
on
chain,
you
would
have
to
have
your
own
system
of
record
on
your.
Why.
C
G
A
A
Why
do
we
need
another?
Why
do
we
need
under
zero
knowledge,
rather
than
just
shared
code
like
I
could
just
drop
you
a
container
full
of
business.
A
C
It
you
could,
but
the
beauty
with
this
is
that
you
can
just
set
it
up
once
and
you
can
reutilize
it
for
any
business
process
that
you
want
with
any
given
set
of
companies.
You
don't
have
to
establish.
You
don't
have
to
establish
this
trusted
environment
with
every
new
company.
You
can
just
use
the
pretty
much
the
exact
same
operational
code
that
you
use
with
company
a
as
well
as
with
company
c.
C
You
can
change
the
rules
by
which
you
operate,
but
you
don't
have
to
change
the
the
concept
of
the
trusted
environment.
A
C
A
C
And
those
logics
are
defined
in
in
the
circuits,
so.
A
Or
to
a
regulator
that
we
didn't
go
over
the
usury
rate
for
state
for
the
state
of
wyoming
when
we're
lending
some
money
to
somebody,
and
but
I
don't
want
all
that
out
in
the
open,
but
I
want
to
just
be
able
to
say
to
the
to
the
regulator.
Yep,
we
didn't
go
over
it.
That's
all
you
need
to
know
right.
C
C
You
can
save
this
hashes
that
you
can
later
on
use
for
further
steps
in
the
process
and,
at
the
same
time,
you're
ensuring
that
you
can.
You
can
prove
what
this
allows
you
to
do
in,
as
a
short
summary
is:
keep
the
hashes
as
inputs
for
further
calculations
down
the
line
through
this
idea
of
entanglement,
which
basically
means
use
a
previous
output
as
an
input
for
another
function,
and
you
can
prove
that
this
hash
of
hash,
if
you
will
has
contains
a
specific
portion.
C
A
Can
trace
the
lineage
of
of
the
15th
work
step
all
the
way
back
to
the
the
very
first.
A
Work
step
right
and
and
not
have
to
worry
about
breaking
those
rules.
As
long
as
you
wrote
it
right,
yeah
a
lot
of
complexity.
There
are
a
lot
of
tools
to
come
to
make
that
easy
for
people.
I
think
that's
gonna
be
right.
Now
I
think
most
most
of
the
things
we're
seeing
are
just
one
or
two
step
works,
workflows
right,
but
you
know,
as
we
get
go
going.
I
think
that'll
be
interesting.
So
thanks.
E
A
Yeah
and
in
fact
you
can
use
a
lambda
function
and
you
could
baseline
the
lambda
function
right
so
so
that
you,
you
could
you're
sure
that
somebody
didn't
fool
around
with
that
lambda
function.
You
know
from
time
x
to
time
y,
so
yeah,
but
oh.
E
A
That
would
be
a
pretty
good
idea,
yeah,
so
yeah,
that's
great
boy.
This
has
been
a
go,
we're
two
minutes
from
the
top
of
the
hour.
I
think
we
can
stop
this.
A
This
was
a
a
lot
more
content,
packed
day
than
I
expected
for
for
a
slow
week
during
the
u.s
holiday,
but
as
always
love
to
see
you
all,
bishwashri
and
and
all
of
our
friends
in
india,
please
be
safe
and,
and
are
we
we're
still
thinking
of
you
all
and
and
we're
so
glad
that
we
have
now
this
new
chapter
of
the
baseline
community
operating
there
and
there's
some
pretty,
as
I've
said
multiple
times,
there's
some
pretty
big
companies
in
the
solution
space
that
I
think
would
probably
have
profited
from,
listen
or
would
profit
from
listening
to
this.
A
D
John
yeah
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
one
point,
what
luca
said,
which,
which
I
I
think,
like
the
zero
knowledge
proof,
proofs
and
and
and
the
logic
that
goes
into
it
in
the
process.
D
D
I
mean
at
least
that's
what
that's.
What
I've
learned,
because
workflow
is
the
way
lucas
described
it.
It
sounds
like
workflow
must
be
part
of
the
zero
knowledge
proof,
and
I
I
I
can
see
scenarios
where
it's
just
basically,
if
you
have
multiple
bidders
and
you
don't
want
like
any
of
them
to
know
who
has
been
accepted.
D
Yes,
yes,
the
same
lfp
and
the
response
and
and
the
the
decisions
that
are
being
made
by
by
the
initiator
by
the
party.
That
is
finishing
the
the
the
bids
I
mean
the
way
they
make
a
decision.
That
could
be
their
thing.
They
might
not
even
accept
the
best
bid,
because
many
different
reasons
on
their
side.
They'll
say
there
was
a
counterparty
risk
or
there
was
something
out
there
that
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
this
counterparty.
A
We
we
are,
we
had
two
cases.
We
went
with
the
the
case
that
you
see
in
the
radish
34
project
that
we've,
you
know,
that's
not
been
deprecated,
but
it
was
the
original
demo
of
baselining
right,
but.
C
A
That
one
we,
you
know
the
idea-
and
this
was
paul
brody's
idea,
I
think,
was
a
good
one
was-
was
proving
that
that
you
could
sequence
a
series
of
purchase
orders
and
make
sure
that
no
two
purchase
orders
calculated
against
the
same
rate
right.
That's
that's
a
real
problem
in
supply
chain
and
or
in
purchasing
and
reconciliation,
so
so
that
we
went
with
that
one,
but
the
other
one
was
a
demonstration
of
what
I'll
call
compartmentalization
right,
which
is
step.
One
involves
one
company,
two
five
and
like
an
rfp
right,
I'm
nasa.
A
I
want
to
be
able
to
approve
the
government
that
I
gave
the
same
rfp
to
all
these
different
companies
step.
Two
is
one-to-one
right,
each
of
those
five
companies
bids
on
that
rfp
right
and
then
step
and
then
steps
subsequent
to
that
can
be
larger
groups
and
smaller
groups
and
larger
groups
of
smaller
groups,
each
step
being
perfectly
compartmentalized
yet
having
integrity
from
step
to
step
right
so
that
yeah.
A
So,
in
the
second
step,
the
during
the
bid
process,
the
counterparties
don't
know
about
each
other,
where,
if
you'd
done
that
on
say
a
fabric
channel
you
you
know,
if
I've
got
a
node,
I'm
gonna
I'm
going
to
see
activity,
I'm
going
to
know
other
people
are
bidding
right.
I
might
you
know
it
might
be
encrypted.
I
might
not
know
the
details,
but
I
know
some.
I
know
something
I
should
know
in
this
case.
D
A
Yep
so
yeah,
that's
that's
yeah
this
this
kind
of
accordion
sized
scoping
of
who
gets
to
know
what
at
each
at
each
step
in
the
workflow
is.
I
think,
one
of
the
most
exciting
things
about
baseline.
C
And
that
is
something
that
that
we
are
we're
currently
we're
actively
working
on.
We
have
the
ability
now
to
when
we
generate
a
message,
or
in
this
case
an
rfp
propagating
that
the
entire
work
group,
everyone
in
the
work
group,
would
get
their
own
message
saying
hey.
C
This
is
the
rfp
and
they
can
send
it
back,
and
once
we
have
chosen
someone
to
once,
we
have
accepted
a
bid,
we're
working
on
the
ability
to
direct
those
messages
to
a
specific
member
in
a
work
group
without
the
knowledge
of
the
other
of
the
other
members,
and
the
only
requirement
for
that
is
that
they
don't
rely
on
on
us
on
a
centralized
nats
note,
as
long
as
they're
running
their
own,
we'll
be
able
to
direct
that
message
directly
at
them,
without
knowledge
of,
without
informing
the
rest
of
the
work
group
about
the
fact
that
they
didn't
get
the
bid
and
we
can
compare
to
compartmentalize
that
process
directly
with
them.
C
B
And
we
actually
to
some
extent.
I
think
we
already
proved
that
out
with
front
offer
ipk
in
a
previous
demo
or
in
a
previous
proof
of
concept
that
we
had
done
with
them,
because
we
were
doing
automated
supply
chain
operations
with
them
in
which
a
robotics
process
would
go
down,
and
that
would
kick
off
an
rfp
for
the
remediation
of
the
fix
of
that
particular
piece,
and
I'm
quite
confident
that
we
had
gotten
to
like
a
point
of
completion
on
that.
Poc.
A
Well,
gosh
we've
gone
over
time
again,
really
good
session
thanks
everybody
thanks
boris.
Let's,
let's
set
that
that
that
that
session
up
would
love
to
to
watch.
Have
you
take
us
through
those
two?
You
know
like
having
a
provide
stack
and
a
non-provide
stack
interrupting
that
would
be
really
nice
to
see.
Bishwashree
keep
keep
working,
I'd
love
to
do
it
when
you're
ready
to
demo
your
excel
project.
I
we'd
love
to
see
it,
and
until
next
time
we'll
see
you
all
keep
on.