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Date: February, 2 2022
A
A
Hey
everybody,
john
wilpert,
here
with
the
for
yet
another
another
edition
of
the
baseline,
show
tight
little
crew.
Today,
we've
just
got
four
people
mark
haddle,
martin
cloud
and
sono
patel,
because
we're
going
to
talk
about
some
things
that
someone's
been
working
on
with
and
martin's
been
working
on,
and
I
want
to
kind
of
focus
on
that.
A
In
fact,
I
think
this
will
be
sonal's
debut
interviewing
session,
so
I'm
very
excited
mark
and
I
are
just
going
to
sit
by
and
heckle
as
sonal
talks
to
martin
lots
going
on
I'll,
be
honest,
my
days
and
nights
and
last
night,
most
of
last
night
into
the
wee
hours
working
on
starting
this
new
company.
Actually
we're
spinning
out
two
companies
out
of
the
baseline
lab
here
at
consensus,
mesh
and
there's
more
to
come.
A
I
got
news
today
from
a
pretty
cool
enterprise
operation
that
is
doing
baselining
they're,
like
we
love
baselining,
and
I'm
like
what
I
didn't
even
know
who
you
guys
were.
What
were
you
guys
doing
and
they're
like
yeah?
It
took
us
a
long
time,
but
now
we're
really
into
it
we're
going.
We
got
all
this
problem
solved
and
I'm
like
wow
great,
so
some
of
the
tools,
technologies
and
products
that
will
be
coming
out
of
consensus,
I
think,
will
be
exciting
in
the
in
the
in
2022.
A
I
think
our
our
budget
plan
so,
as
you
know,
says
that
we'll
be
after
we
launch
tree
trunk.
It's
there's
plenty
more,
there's,
two
more
things
right
right
on
the
heels
of
that
right,
so
stay
tuned
for
more
fun.
That's
all!
That's
all
I've
got
to
say
mark
haddle.
You
got
any
any
pithy
words
before
we
jump
in
with
sono.
B
And
this
is,
you
know
one
thing
that
the
enablement
team
has
been
working
on
along
with
you
know,
other
different
areas
of
the
community
and
stuff.
You
know
each
making
their
contributions,
and
so
we
are
now
ready
to
you
know.
We
have
now
released
it
into
the
ether,
as
we
would
say,
release
it
into
the
world.
D
A
Whole
theme
was
boring,
is
beautiful,
it
was
beautifully,
boring
the
website,
and
but
it
did
its
job.
It
still
does
its
job.
You
know
you
would
think
in
this
day
and
age
signing
you
know,
managing
sign.
Ups,
for
you
know,
open
communities
would
be
easier
than
and
and
something
you
wouldn't
have
to
use
something
older
like,
like.
I
think
we
use
sign
up
genius
or
something
on
it,
but
and
you'd
think
that
that
would
just
be
like
out
of
the
box,
something
you
could
do
with
like
100
different
api.
A
A
And
I
think
that
it's
it's
appropriate
this
year
that
we
do
that
2022
is
is
simple,
is
beautiful.
Right,
simple
is
beautiful,
is
kind
of
what
I've
been
saying
a
lot
and
and
and
I
think
that
the
new
website
really
looks
a
lot
simpler
and
cleaner
and
nicer,
and
I
think
it's
easier
to
get
to
what
you
want
to
be
doing
so
well
done
well
done.
B
Maybe
they
heard
about
it
at
a
at
a
meet
up
or
something
like
that
and
they're.
Like
you
know,
what
is
this
thing,
and
so
this
is
a
way
that
you
can
have.
You
know
both
the
technical
audience,
but
you
know
especially
the
non-technical
audiences
to
say
you
know
this.
Is
you
know
this?
This
is
a
solution
set
that
is,
you
know,
doesn't
require
an
enormous
capital.
Investment
doesn't
require
a
lot
of
you
know,
development
time.
B
A
Wait
till
you
see,
what's
coming
from
narc
gnark,
make
it
even
easier.
I
love
the
little
pieces.
I
love
the
teases
yeah.
Everybody
gives
me
trouble
about
this.
Like
are
you
announcing
an
announcement
and
I'm
like
I
don't
care,
I'm
not
a
marketing
person,
I'm
just
some
dude
that
talks
about
stuff.
So
yeah,
that's
cool.
I
like
the
I
you
know
when
is
it?
When
does
it
go,
live
sonal.
A
C
So
I
will
say
that
I
think
our
website's
still
pretty
simple,
because,
as
I
was
prototyping
this
design,
I
was
using
a
lot
of
thoughts.
I
was
getting
based
on
community
members
inquiring
and
things
they
just
directly
wanted
to
be
pointed
to
so,
although
it
looks
way
more
complex,
it's
still
the
same
functionality,
just
a
little
more
detail
or
pointers
to
the
right
places,
and
then
this
get
baselined
page
is
actually
new
and
by
working
with
oasis,
the
pgb
members
and
others
in
the
community.
C
A
A
Kit
is
in
the
in
the
that's
kind
of
interesting
right.
I'm
excited
that's
not
out
yet
right,
but
almost
almost
so,
you
guys
been
working
for
a
couple
months
on
on
on,
like
if
I'm
at
a
solutions
company,
like
you,
know,
tcs
or
accenture,
and
I
want
to
convince
my
boss
to
start
a
baselining
practice
and-
and
I
want
to
convince
clients
that
they
should
be
getting
into
this
stuff,
you
need,
you
need
a
slideshow
right.
You
need
gotta.
C
And
then
get
involved
with
some
information
about
our
open
source
teams,
since
we
always
want
new
members
to
join
the
community,
our
blog,
which
will
be
utilizing
a
lot
more
we're
going
to
have
a
process
where
the
leads
of
our
open
source
team.
So
the
courthouse
the
outreach
they
can
submit
a
form
and
they
will
be
prompted
to
every
two
weeks
to
give
an
update
on
what
the
group
is
working
on.
It'll
be
added
to
the
blog,
we're
going
to
try
and
automate
that
process.
C
E
A
E
C
A
C
Yep
his
friend
and
boy
was
amazing.
I
he
just
actually
knew
the
content
which
helped
a
lot.
So
if
I
phrased
something
a
little
off
or
just
needed
another
set
of
eyes,
he
was
always
just
iterating
and
making
updates
or
sending
suggestions
to
us
as
well.
So
it
was
truly
a
community
effort
and
his
work
was
just
beautiful
and
he's
offered
to
help
us
continuously
update
the
website
for
the
foreseeable
future
unless
we
transferred
to
another
platform,
but
shout
out
to
boy
and
we're
super
lucky
to
have
had
his
help.
C
He
dedicated
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
to
this,
and
my
lack
of
design
and
web
design
skills
did
not
make
it
an
easy
task
for
him.
I
was
just
like
typing
notes.
I
was
like.
I
think
this
should
look
like
this,
where
I
feel
like
this.
When
I
see
it-
and
he
probably
was
like
this-
is
a
lot
of
work
for
me,
but
he
was
so
nice
and
easy
to
work
with.
A
B
Was
going
to
say,
you
know
one
thing
that
we,
you
know
kept
top
of
mind
while
we
were
putting
the
website
together.
Is
you
know
you
want
to
engage
the
casual
user
user
and
you
know
we
want
to
encourage
them.
It's
like.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
undertake
this
project,
you
know,
don't
just
you
know,
release
your
development
team
onto
the
code
base
and
have
them
play
around
with
it
and
start
to
really
start
to
build,
engage
the
community.
B
A
A
B
E
A
B
Lot
of
interest
from
the
security
community
a
lot
of
csas
and
stuff,
you
know
because
just
the
basic
you
know
premise
that
my
data
stays
at
rest,
so
it
is
so
much
easier
to
secure
than
data
in
motion,
and
you
know
if
I'm
having
to
sit
there
and
reconcile
through
my
normal
processes,
I'm
at
least
going
to
allow
some
leakage-
and
I
don't
want
that,
and
so
this
is
a
way
that
I
can
maintain
my
system
of
record.
My
you
know
existing
security
architecture.
B
A
B
C
All
right
cool,
so
we
have
martin
here
who
recently
joined
the
baseline
community
and
has
already
been
a
huge
asset
by
providing
his
experience
and
knowledge
and
the
space
he
works
in.
So
we
wanted
to
feature
him
on
our
show
today
to
kind
of
explain
what
brings
him
to
the
baseline
community
and
where
he
sees
it
going
and
just
get
his
his
feedback
and
thoughts.
So,
martin
thanks
for
joining
us.
If
you'd
like
to
start
by
introducing
yourself.
E
I
think
I'm
not
quite
sure
when
it
was
today.
We
were
thinking
when
it
was.
I
think
it
was
2020
when
the
baseline
protocol
launched
was.
Is
that
right?
I
think
it
was
in
spring.
I
stumbled
upon
a
blog
post
where
it
said
like
yeah.
There
are
some
people,
some
companies,
I
think
it
was
ernst
young
I've
followed
john
john
brody,
already
paul
brody,
sorry
paul
brody
already,
and
so
I
think
it
was
on
his
twitter
or
somewhere,
where
I
found
like
the
the
blog
posts.
Here
we
are
launching
this
protocol.
E
And
so
yeah
I
found
the
blog
post
and
I
was
like
yeah
that
that
sounds
interesting.
I
was
since
I
was.
I
think,
since
I
understood
the
the
idea
behind
ethereum,
which
is,
in
my
point
of
view
that
you
can
that
you
can
do
general
computation
in
a
trusted
way.
That
was
the
that
was
the
new
thing
compared
to
to
bitcoin,
but
but
also
compared
to
centralized
servers.
You
can.
E
E
Unfortunately,
I
didn't
have
the
time
to
to
look
really
deep
into
it,
because
I
was
still
focused
on
my
master
thesis,
but
on
my
institute,
I'm
working
at
the
technical
university
of
vienna
at
the
institute,
where
I
was
also
writing
my
thesis
there
was
there
were
some
people
or
one
one
of
my
colleagues
working
specifically
on
on
using
blockchains
and
exploring
how
blockchains
can
be
used
in
an
enterprise
context.
More
specifically,
we
we
are
doing
in
research
or
he
was
doing
at
that
time.
He
was
alone.
E
It
was
like
no,
let's
what's
that
and
he
looked
into
it
and
it
was
like
that's
exactly
the
thing
I
needed
and
yeah.
That
was
actually
how
how
all
started
and
then
I
I
finished
my
thesis
and
he
was
like.
I
need
someone
who
helps
me
and
all
that
and
yeah.
That's
that's
how
I
started
there.
I
just
started
a
couple
of
months
ago,
but
now
I
had
the
time
to
to
read
into
the
standard
the
version
one
and
yeah.
It's
it's
actually
quite
quite
impressive.
E
E
We
were
using
the
provide
stack,
you
know
in
the
first
prototype
implementation
or
at
least
playing
around
with
it,
and
actually
today
we
we
met
with
stefan
rauch.
I
think
you
know
him
and
he's
also
based
in
vienna,
and
it
was
a
really
really
good
and
long
and
interesting
conversation
where
we
try
to
explore
where
we
are
coming
from,
like
from
the
university
perspective
and
where
he
is
he's
focused
on
more
use
cases
or
customer
perspective,
especially
around
sap,
and,
I
think
we'll
be.
E
C
Awesome
you're
moving
fast
in
the
baseline
community,
you're
already
meeting
so
many
people,
it's
awesome,
but
thanks
for
sharing
with
us
how
you
got
interested
in
baseline
and
how
you
can
tie
it
directly
back
to
the
work
you're
doing
so.
You
mentioned
the
facility
management
lens
that
you
guys
are
working
through
through
your
work
and
how
do
you
see
baseline,
applying
directly
to
the
use
case
of
that
multi-party
coordination?
That's
going
on.
E
E
If
it's
not
digitalized,
you
will
have
it
in
some
kind
of
paperwork,
but
what
what
you
cannot
prove
doesn't
matter
if
you
have
a
digital
or
not,
but
you
cannot
prove
up
until
now.
Is
that
that
those
certificates
are
have
have
really
been
created
at
the
time
it
says
on
the
document
because,
like
it's,
it's
not
really
it's
most
likely,
not
the
case,
but
what
you
could
theoretically
do.
Is
you
go
to
the
guy?
Who
who
maintains
the
elevators?
E
E
So
we
believe
that
this
is
a
really
good
use
case
for
blockchain
in
general,
because
you
need
some
some
provable
timestamp
so
from
from
this
perspective
alone,
it's
not
completely
sure
yet
if
we
need
zero
knowledge.
Proofs
from
our
perspective
is
your
knowledge.
Proof
have
are
like
a
very
specific
method
of
proving
that
that
something
happened
actually
a
method
where
you
can
prove
that
something
happened
in
a
specific
manner,
but
not
without
revealing
all
data
involved
in
in
that
method.
E
A
Is
also
martin,
could
you
say
more
about
that?
Like
with
the
hash
I
mean
almost,
you
need
very
little
right
if
you're
trying
to
just
prove
that
two
two
counterparties
that
know
each
other
are
you
know
that
they
signed?
You
know
digital
yeah.
They
just
sign
hash
right,
it's
well-known
technique
and
technically
you're
not
going
to
get
out
of
sync,
because
you
can
always
you
know,
you'd
have
to
go
and
dig
it
up
from
each
other's.
You
know
perspective
thing.
A
A
A
Are
there
any
cases
where
they
need
to
prove
anything
to
each
other
kind
of
like
the
battleship
game,
where
you
know
you're
not
supposed
to
see
my
battleships
are,
but
I
need
to
prove
to
you
that
I
that
you
missed
when
you
called
e4
or
where
there's
a
third
party,
where
you've
got
two
parties
that
don't
want
to
share
their
data
and
some
attribute
of
that
data
to
somebody
else.
But
they
they
need
that.
Somebody
else
to
do
something
is
that
part
of
your
life.
E
Yeah,
that's
actually
the
the
the
point
where
we
are
right
now,
so
the
the
use
case
that
I
just
described
is
the
one
that
we
picked
out,
because
it
was
one
of
the
most
easiest
because
it
has
like
some.
It
needs
some
kind
of
verifiability
from
from
a
third
party
which
requires
a
blockchain
run
or
which,
which
which,
which
is
a
good
use
case
for
a
blockchain.
Then
the
part
that
you
described
where
you
need
is
your
knowledge
proof.
E
E
If,
if
there
is,
if
there's
some
specific
thing
you
want
to
prove
like
for,
for
example,
if
if
we
stay
with
that
use
case,
if,
if
you
want
to
prove
that
that
the
maintenance
maintenance
has
has
some
some
some
attribute
like
let's
say
you
have
a
list
of
trusted,
maintainers
like
yeah
they're,
like
10
companies,
that
you
do
maintenance
for
for
elevators
and
let's
say
those
comply
to
the
to
the
baseline
protocol.
And
you
have
you
wanna,
you
wanna,
create
a
proof
in
the
blockchain
on
the
ccsm.
A
A
A
I
think
that's
where
it
might
be
interesting
where,
where
you,
where
you
need,
where
there's
a
financial
result
that
has
to
occur
when
what
you
know
by
as
a
result
of
some
set
of
counterparties
in
a
big
construction
product
or
something
like
that
maintenance
project,
where
they
have
to
do
some
things
right
and
yeah,
then
there's
lots
of
data
that
they
don't
want
to
be
pouring
out
to
other
counterparties.
But
they
need
those
counterparties
to
do
stuff.
A
A
D
D
I
you
know,
I
still
think
I
I
still
see
the
zkp
process
being
relevant
there
in
the
fact
that
what
we're
helping
these
companies
do
is
help
them
ultimately
kind
of
achieve
their
centralized
data
strategies.
A
lot
of
these
organizations
you
know,
are
seeking
to
continue
to
consolidate
and
centralize
their
data
into
one
single
source
of
truth,
and
what
we
can
do
with
zkp's
is
still
do
that.
Allow
them
to
achieve
that,
and
still
in
in
that
process,
still,
you
know
obfuscate.
D
The
sensitive
information
that
is
most
important
and
be
able
to
you
know,
execute
those
processes
and
then,
as
a
result
of
that,
have
that
be
something
that's
right
before
you
know
the
tokenization
of
it
and
then
right
for
for
defy.
You
know
once
the
defy
side
you're
talking
about
these
different
type
of
asset
yields
that
you
can
gain
as
a
result
of
it
they
haven't
been
able
to
in
the
past,
which
you
know
is
just
a
differentiation
in
itself.
D
I'd
say
some
relevant
value.
You
know
whether
that's
an
invoice
or
you
know
something
in
that
regard
and
from
an
invoice
perspective.
You
know
relative
to
maintenance,
like
that's,
you
know,
certainly
applicable
there,
there's,
obviously,
that
that
output
of
the
maintenance
that
was
done
and
in
that
same
way,
you
know
you're
able
to
tokenize
the
output
of
that
as
well.
You
know,
and
in
the
same
way,
martin,
you
know
we've
been
focused
on
doing
it
from
a
servicenow
perspective.
D
You
know
we
continue
to
work
closely
with
the
servicenow
team
and
you
know
from
a
service
management
perspective.
There's
a
lot
of
applicable
use.
Cases
to
you
know
what
you're
mentioning
there
and
how
we
can,
how
we're
intending
to
leverage
it
as
we
continue
to
move
forward.
You
know
and
to
add
a
little
bit
more
to
it.
A
That's
what
I
like
about
these
different,
the
community
is
pretty
diverse
and
you've
got
you've.
Got
sort
of
the
you've
got
this.
The
steady,
pragmatic
german
team.
You
know
with
the
yeah,
with
servicenow
unibright,
guys
yeah
they're,
very
pregnant
they're
like
hey
this
watercolor.
This
is
what
customers
want.
This
is
what
they're
asking
for
right.
You
know
and
then
you've
got
jack
and
kyle
and
those
guys
going.
A
C
E
Yeah
well
well,
in
general,
I
think
it's
it's
it's
quite
interesting
from
from
our
perspective
to
to
hear
the
ongoing
discussions
about
use
cases
about
where
you
need
that
technology.
I
think
we
are
still
still
early
in
in
understanding
what
baseline
will
be
about
in
the
future.
I
think
there
are
so
many
news.
E
I
think
there
are
many
many
many
new
use
cases,
especially
when
it's
about
your
knowledge
proofs,
because,
like
if
you
understand
the
the
the
concept
be
behind
zero
knowledge,
you
you
can,
you
can
like
there's
a
cambrian
explosion
of
new
new
things.
You
could
do
with
that.
On
the
other
hand,
you
have
like,
like
you
guys
mentioned
now,
you
have
those
pragmatic
people
from
from
coming
from
from
an
sap
background
that
have
like
some
some
direct
steps
that
need
to
be
synchronized
across
companies
where
you
like,
you're
you're,
those
people.
E
Baseline
or
or
blockchain
ccsm,
anchoring
whatever
they're,
just
looking
for
cheap
possibilities
to
sync
their
data,
basically
very
simply
spoken
and
finding
the
the
difference
between
what
the
baseline
protocol
is
now
and
where
they
are
coming
from
and
then
finding
out
what
what
is
appropriate
in
which
use
case
is
a
really
really
interesting
topic,
and
I
think
we
are
happy
to
to
continue
contributing
to
to
blip
one
where
all
those
things
are
specifically
discussed.
I
think.
C
E
E
The
the
blip
itself
is
about
defining
and
finding
measurements
like,
I
said
where
a
ccsm
or
and
or
zero
knowledge
proof
is,
is
necessary
in
in
the
case
of
a
single
work
step,
but
it
might
also
be
a
whole
workflow.
So
there
are
different
possibilities
to
to
to
look
at
this.
I
think
it's
like.
I
said
it's,
it's
quite
broad
like
there's
so
many
so
many
aspects
you
could
take
into
account,
at
least
from
our
point
of
view.
E
Might
there
be
like,
for
example,
there
a
list
of
work,
steps
that
will
just
be
signed
offline,
and
then
we
create
the
last
work
step
which,
which
creates
this.
Your
knowledge
proof
of
the
previous
work,
steps
that
they
have
all
completed
and
out
of
this
zero
knowledge
proof,
we
could,
for
example,
create
a
new
token
or
whatever,
just
as
an
example,.
E
A
D
D
A
E
A
I
don't
know
I
mean
bear
in
mind,
I'm
starting
a
token
company,
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
nuanced
on
the
subject,
but
I
like
challenging
people
on
this,
this
particular
topic,
because
I
think
you
know
it
doesn't:
do
our
community
any
good
to
blindly
go.
Let's
organize
this
right.
Let's
we
got
to
think
it
through
it
like
what
is
the
best
tool
for
the
job
focus
on
the
problem.
E
True
yeah,
I'm.
We
are
very
much
sure
that,
like
like
the
use
case
that
you
described
putting
in
an
nft
on
on
the
main
net
is
probably
not
not
going
to
be
required
or
like
it's.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
right.
It
depends
on
how
much
how
much
value
you're
tracking
but
creating
a
15
proof
is
not
the
thing
we
want.
A
Which
was
kind
of
you
know
not
my
my
best
idea
ever,
but
the
you
know
that
out
that
l2
is
still
in
a
singleton,
which
means
it's
still
go
if
it
gets
popular,
it's
going
to
fill
up
and
you're
going
to
have
noisy
neighbor
problems
again
and
you're
back
to
pretty
expensive
basic
infrastructure.
It
still
strikes
me.
I
still
remember
when
I
was
in
in
telecom
in
the
90s
and
the
marginal
cost
of
placing
a
phone
call.
You
know
became
almost
zero
right
and
we
saw
ip
tel
telephony
coming.
A
A
They
charge
you
because
they
because
can
know
that's
policy
decision.
Just
like
it
was
a
policy
decision
for
us
to
in
telecom
to
charge
you.
You
know
10
cents,
a
minute
to
call
grandma
in
the
next
town,
all
right
so
change.
The
policy
technology
is
not
transactional.
Expensive
blockchains
are
transactionally.
A
E
A
E
A
In
zero
knowledge
work,
a
really
good
team
and
and
they've
been
building
an
off
chain,
baselining
functionality
for
zero
knowledge,
circuits,
recursive
ones,
all
of
it's
off
chain
and
then
you're.
You
know
you're
putting
your
the
proofs
and
in
our
case
right
now
we're
putting
them
on
ipfs.
But
ultimately
you
can
put
it
on
a
ccs
m2,
but
the
cost
is
yeah
more
than
than
setting
up
a
traditional
set
of
compute.
But
it's
not
crazy,
like
trying
to
run
it
on.
A
It's
like
a
reese's
peanut
butter
cup
of
of
inefficiency,
right
you've
got
blockchains
that
are
by
design
and
efficient,
and
now
you've
got
zk,
which
is
by
design
and
efficient
and
you're.
Trying
to
do
those
two
things
and
there's
a
cost
to
every
op
code,
pretty
neat
trick
if
you
can
make
that
cheap.
A
But
if
I'm
just
running
zero
knowledge
circuits
off,
you
know
on
traditional
on
traditional
compute:
it's
it's
com,
it's
still
computationally
more
expensive,
certainly
in
setup-
and
you
know
doing
you
know
it's
not
on
validation.
Necessarily
it's,
but
it's
it's
still
set
up.
Setting
up
is
expensive,
but
it
doesn't
really.
We
don't
really
notice
it.
It's
a
little
more
expensive
on
the
back
end,
but
not
it
doesn't
break
the
back.
A
A
It's
saying
I
need
you
to
listen
to
a
spot
which
is
just
a
standard
distributed
systems
design
pattern
right,
that's
just
a
loose
coupling
pattern
right
instead
of
you
having
to
jack
in
and
punch
a
hole
in
my
firewall
and
listen
to
my
my
system,
I'm
going
to
drop
a
a
I'm
going
to
drop
an
event
on
this
thing
that
we're
all
looking
at
and
when
you
see
it,
you
get
to
do
something
in
this
case.
If
it's
a
zero
knowledge
proof,
it
looks
like
nonsense.
A
If
you
throw
some
chaff
in
there,
nobody
notices,
I
mean
nobody's
like
well.
That
may
be
a
thing
that
references
something
or
it
may
be
completely
fake
proof
right.
So
you
know
you
can
really
hide.
You
can
destroy
all
the
information
that's
showing
up
there,
except
for
to
the
person.
That's
in
the
know
where
you
said:
hey,
take
a
look
at
this
spot
on,
say,
bass,
ledger
or
another
ccsm,
and
you
can
say,
hey
watch
for
that
when
the
sh,
when
something
shows
up
in
there
you're
listening
for
it
go,
do
something
run
the
run.
A
The
proof
if
it
validates
go,
do
the
thing
you're
supposed
to
do
that
to
me
is
actually
more
exciting
and
interesting
when
you
combine
it
with
all
this
other
stuff
than
anything
else,
because
now
you're
getting
to
real
coordination,
you're
saying
look
you
don't
have
to.
I
don't
have
to
do
all
this
complicated
stuff
with
my
system
we're
just
going
to
use
this
common
frame
of
reference
to
coordinate
activity.
A
It
could
be
two
parties
right,
you
could
say
again,
battleship,
I'm.
You
know
watch
for
this
location
when
when,
when
my
thing
goes
there
that
said
that
that
you're
going
to
use
to
determine
that.
I
I
just
at
that-
I
just
said
e4
you're
going
to
respond
right.
I
don't
have
to
set
up
a
direct
messaging
to
you.
I
can
do
it
that
way.
E
A
Yeah,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
it.
You
know
one
of
the
companies
really
getting
maybe
based
letter.
Maybe
somebody
else
really
generating
easy
efficiency
for
messaging
to
another
counterparty
watch
this
spot
right
now
you
can
you
can
do
it
because
you
can
do
it
right.
I
mean
it's
just
it's
addressing,
but
it's
not
yeah
it'd
be
nice
to
be
able
to
just
have
a
tool
for
that
to
say:
okay,
we're
carving
this
location
out,
watch
for
this
spot
right
and
then
and
then
you
can
do
all
sorts
of
cool
stuff.
A
A
They
shouldn't
know
about
me
and
my
business,
but
I
need
to
be
able
to
get
the
delivery
date
validated
and
that
it
was
the
correct
date
and
it
wasn't
late
without
them.
Knowing
a
lot
about
me
and
my
customer,
so
what
do
you?
Do?
You
say?
Okay,
you
don't
need
to
know
about
me
drop
when,
when
you
do
your
thing,
you
you
you
deliver
on
time,
drop
that
proof
of
delivery
in
that
spot.
When
I
see
it,
you've
dead
dropped
it
I'm
going
to
take
it.
You
don't
need
to
know
anything
else.
A
C
Awesome
yep
thanks
for
this
engaging
discussion
and
thank
you
so
much
martin
for
for
joining
us.
You
brought
a
lot
to
the
show
today
and
you're
always
welcome
to
join
our
baseline
shows
in
the
future
join
us
often
as
you
can,
and
we
also
have
anton
here
from
mover.
We
got
a
little
shout
out
in
the
chat.
They're
excited
to
see
you
but
nice
to
have
you
here,
how's
it
going.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
it's
a
pleasure,
sorry
for
being
late.
Actually
I
didn't
want
to
interrupt
the
conversation
between
between
the
cloud
guys,
it's
actually
very
interesting
to
I'm
coming
from
a
very
practical
set
of
things.
There's
been
conversation
around.
I
still
remember
when
we
joined
like
obviously
baseline
community
before
the
new
year
and
I'm
looking
at
things
from
a
very
practical
perspective.
So
to
me
hearing
a
lot
of
you
know.
F
Academic
examples
is
very,
very
interesting,
so
you
don't
want
to
interrupt
that
and
absolutely
pleasure.
So
zk
stuff
is
still
very
new
for
us
in
a
sense
of
how
to
implement
it
directly.
But
what
john
was
describing
now
around
you
know
the
use
case.
Possibilities
is
actually
very
very
relevant
to
what
we
do
so
I'd
love,
I'd
love
to
share
more,
but
it's
got
a
time
to
to
see
some
stuff
going
live
in
production
as
we're
working
with.
F
It's
it,
it
is
what
you
would
just
said
is
it's
it's
pretty
challenging
to
make
sure
that
things
are
economically
viable.
So
we
all
know
that
sometimes
crypto
right
can
be
a
little
bit.
I
would
say
in
the
dreamland
in
terms
of
how
the
the
business
economy
is
not
viable
so,
as
you
know,
token,
emotions
and
everything
how
they're
subsidized
for
the
business
actions
or
for
the
user's
actions,
but
it's
not
sustainable.
So
when
we're
talking
about
real
businesses,
doing
you
know
real
economies,
real
math
it
becomes
challenging.
F
A
A
F
F
You
know
you
you
become
basically,
I
would
say
a
gdpr
sort
of
slave
as
soon
as
you
have
an
email
from
a
customer
that
has
their
name
and
their
email,
not
even
to
say
that
you
want
to
do
business
with
them,
so
it
becomes
a
really
really
neat
and
elegant
solution
on
how
to
do
business
with
you
know,
with
with
other
businesses
and
other
customers
and
sort
of
try
to
remain.
You
know
non-custodial
and.
A
Fun,
it's
kind
of
like
a.
I
keep.
I
often
wonder
why
do
we
knock
our
heads
against
the
wall
on
this
stuff?
I
mean
it's
really
hard.
The
blockchain
thing
is
hard.
Zero
knowledge
is
hard.
You
know
a
lot
of
math
and
I
think
it's
because
some
of
some
folks-
and
maybe
the
folks
on
this
call
just
can't
resist
a
an
impossible
puzzle.
It's
like
hey,
we
need
to
know
exactly
who
you
are,
but
we
can't
know
anything
about
who
you
are.
A
F
It's
it's
it's
funny
right,
because
you
know
you,
may
you
may
see
some
other
people
would
say
like
why.
Why
do
you
need
this
overhead?
I
mean
why
don't
you
just
know
exactly
who
they
are?
Why
don't
you
just
keep
all
that
information?
Why
didn't
just
sort
of
you
know
become
like
fully
regulated
entity
if
we're
talking
about,
let's
say
finance
kind
of
stuff,
because
that's
the
way
the
world
operates,
but.
A
F
That,
too,
I
think
what
what
keeps
us
sane
is
is
the
economics
of
again
of
projects
right
and
businesses.
We're
trying
to
you
know,
implement,
there's
two
very
specific
cases
out
there
and
it's
it's
very
interesting
again.
So
in
the
krypton
world
the
cost
is
irrelevant.
It's
about
the
ultimate
opportunity
of
solving
some
major
problem,
whereas
again
you
know
repeating
myself
in
the
real
business,
it
is
the
cost.
How
much
will
it
cost
me
to
validate
whatever
you
want?
You
guys
do
you
know?
F
Why
do
we
need
to
do
this
and
it's
it's
interesting
to
see.
You
know
how
how
that's
coming
close
to
you
know
being
a
reality
and
I
think
baseline.
So
far,
again,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know
we're
at
the
beginning
of
the
journey,
so
I've
been
playing
quite
a
lot
until
we
found
the
right
use
cases
so
we're
just
on
on
our
path
to
trying
to
make
sure
it
works.
F
A
A
F
So
it's
it's
it's
interesting
again,
as
I
said,
because
the
way
I
look
into
all
of
this
is
from
you
know
purely
practical
perspective,
not
from
the
academic
perspective.
So
I
I
think
it's
it's
a
very
relevant
example
that
you've
shared
about
you
know
baseline
being
sort
of
like
this.
You
know
this
class
yeah
yeah,
but
then
what
I
see
if
I
may
add
to
that
sort
of
example.
F
F
That's
right
now
the
only
legal
and
you
know
legally
correct
and
compliance
correct
solution
to
deal
with
traditional
finance
world.
So
so
to
me
again,
it's
a
compliance
relief.
So
it's
a
bit
different
example
and
I
think
I've
been
listening
to
you
know
other
baseline.
You
know
previous
baseline
shows
and
I
think
I
think
nobody
has
ever
said
such
wars.
It's
like
oh
baseline,
is
a
compliance
relief,
yeah.
F
A
It's
no
surprise
why
an
ernst
young
would
have
been
part
of
the
ins
creation
of
it
is
it
kind
of
saw
it
would
solve
problems
for
them.
Oddly,
though,
you
know
it's
it's
the
part
of
ernst
and
young,
that
isn't
an
audit
that
starts
right
and
I
keep
on
telling
paul
brody,
I'm
like
or
john
brody
earlier
joke
that
that
you
know
I'm
like
hey.
E
D
Think,
martin,
that
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
you
were
talking
about.
Having
that
third
party,
you
know
and
that's
where
the
there's
assurance
that
comes
in
that
organizations
like
ey
can
apply
to
that.
That's
just
a
huge
opportunity
and
came
to
mind
when
you
were
talking
about
that
earlier.
Martin.
A
A
All
right,
we'll
be
at
east
denver
at
in
two
weeks,
show
up
at
the
on
the
17th.
They've
got
us
on
the
17th.
I
think
we're
asking
for
the
18th,
but
it'll
be
the
17th
or
the
18th
we'll
be
making
big
announcements.
There
join
us
at
the
tachyon
tent
in
in
at
east
denver.
I
hope
everybody's
going
get
your
buffet
corns.
A
Time-
and
I
remember
I
didn't
go
to
denver
but
two
years
ago,
but
if
I
had
I
would
have
gotten
covered
because
everybody
did,
it
was
like
the
super
spreader
event
for
all
of
us,
so
it'll
be
really.
I
think
this
is
the
first
year
that
we'll
all
be
kind
of
coming
out
of
that.
I
expect
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
good
crowd,
so
jack.
I
think
you
guys
are
going
right,
yeah
we'll
be
there.
D
A
A
F
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna
cut,
no,
no,
absolutely,
but
I'll
definitely
watch
it
online.
It
should
be
really
exciting
one.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of,
I
would
say,
pending
sort
of
updates
on
this,
there's
been
a
lot
of
innovation
going
around.
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
place
to
see
some.
You
know,
as
it's
called
alpha.