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Date: May 25, 2022
B
Yes,
hello,
hello,
welcome
to
our
may
25th
baseline
show.
We
just
have
some
open
office
hours
today,
where
we'll
just
chat
about
what's
going
on
with
everybody,
so
I
will
just
start
by
saying
just
making
sure
it
was
live.
We
have
dhruv
here
with
us
today.
I
have
not
seen
you
on
our
show
before
so.
If
you'd
like
to
give
a
quick
intro
that'd
be
great.
A
Okay,
that's
interesting,
so
everyone,
my
name
is
through
as
you
can
see.
As
you
have
heard,
I
work
for
accenture
and
I
am
a
servicenow
architect
by
role.
So
actually
I
started
studying
blockchain
a
bit.
Wait.
One.
B
Moment
are
we
live
yo.
A
We
are
live
with
audio,
but
the
video
is
just
blue.
B
B
A
D
Excited
but
yeah,
so
it's
the
context
was
just
I
invited
him
wanted
to
give
him
some
exposure.
He
posted
an
article
after
we
connected
on
linkedin.
You
know
I'm
doing
searching
trying
to
grow
the
community
and
he
posted
an
interesting
article
on
on
blockchain.
So
I
wanted
to
invite
him
to
kind
of
get
a
different
perspective
on
you
know
what
blockchain
can
do,
how
it
can
be
used
specifically
around
the
baseline
protocol.
B
A
B
Yes,
that
makes
sense
and
honestly,
I
think,
a
lot
of
new
members
in
the
community
always
start
with
those
questions,
even
when
they
do
dig
into
the
docs
or
the
existing
resources,
because
things
are
pretty
new.
The
protocol
has
been
around
for
about
two
years.
I
think
maybe
three
but
standards
bodies
move
slowly,
so
things
are
constantly
being
created
by
the
week
and
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
questions
you
have,
as
you
do
start
exploring
further.
C
Always
good
to
you
know,
have
new
fresh
bodies
in
the
basement.
Are
we
just
staying
blue
this
whole
time?
Are
we
just
going
to
go
with
them
and
audio
by
the
way?
My
name.
A
B
Shouldn't
have
gotten
ready
at
all
today,
awesome,
so
all
right,
let's
just
keep
chatting
about
what's
going
on,
so
our
one
of
the
interesting
developments
in
our
community
is
that
the
main
item
on
the
roadmap,
the
sri,
simple
reference
implementation,
is
officially
being
worked
on
by
a
group
of
core
devs
keith.
Do
you
want
to
tell
us
a
little
more
about
that
and
how
it
relates
or
differs
to
other
work,
that's
been
done
or
why
it's
needed.
C
Oh,
I
would
not
thank
you
no
yeah
sure,
so
you
know
we
originally
started.
I
should
say
just
we
kind
of
so
there's
the
blip
six
project.
That
was
you
know
the
initial
steps
of
like
a
monolithic
test,
suite
surrounding
like
a
mock
baseline
implementation,
was
done
and
then
we're
trying
to
move
into
a
simple
reference.
Implementation
anybody's
welcome
to
join.
I
think,
there's
part
of
the
members
were
in
the
original
monolithic
test,
suite
there's
extras
now
and
you
know
really.
C
To
life
so
working
on
that
this
week,
we'll
meet
tomorrow,
thursday,
again
just
to
see
what
we've
kind
of
come
up
with
and
in
terms
of
you
know,
these
kind
of
lego
building
blocks
that
you
always
hear
people
talking
about
on
baseline,
that
we've
separated
the
core
packages
into
we're
just
coming
up
with
like
basic
interfaces
and
stuff
to
kind
of
pitch
to
each
other.
So
it's
still
real
kind
of
premature
in
terms
of
the
development.
C
So
again
anybody
feel
free
to
join
in
and
just
you
know,
just
to
kind
of
lay
out.
What's
our
purpose
of
the
simple
reference
implementation,
so
you
know
there
there
are
other.
There
are
really
great
examples
that
already
exist
in
the
repo,
and
you
know
if,
if
I
always
say
this,
so
it's
like
if
you're
an
advanced
baseliner
and
you
want
to
help
like
push
the
the
front
of
examples
that
are
in
there
and
that's
great
and
personally,
that's
part
of
the
work
that
I
want
to
do.
C
You
know
go
and
look
at
the
examples.
Maybe
we
push
battleship
to
like
a
a
new
game
that
has
more
than
two
people
right.
We
take
the
logic
or
we
take
bri
one,
and
we
try
to
accomplish
some
kind
of
like
component.
C
You
know
like
test
harness
that
kyle
was
talking
about
in
chat
other
day.
I
think
that's
awesome,
but
we're
also,
you
know,
as
you
know,
from
the
baseline
side,
we
want
to
have
there
to
be
kind
of
like
real
stepping
stones
like
if
you
come
in
and
you're
able
to
see.
Okay,
the
sri
that's
just
this.
It's
such
a
simple
example
that
it's
not
you
know,
there's
it's.
It
doesn't
really
reflect
like
a
production
implementation
right,
you're,
just
gonna
have
two
parties:
it's
not
gonna,
have
the
dpi
interoperability
or
anything.
C
It's
just
so
simple.
It's
right
there.
You
can
see
it.
You
know
its
development
is
going
to
give
us
a
bunch
of
different
educational
tools,
videos
on
how
to
develop
certain
chunks
implementation
guide,
just
all
the
little
things
sdk
that
you
kind
of
expect
to
you
know
just
kind
of
situate
yourself
into
baseline
and
work.
Your
way
up
to
those
other
more
advanced
implementations,
so
yeah
is
that
good
enough.
B
That
is
good
enough.
One
question
I
have
as
not
being
a
super
technical
person
but
understanding
the
effort
that's
being
worked
on
is
how
are
you,
as
a
team,
figuring
out
how
to
break
up
the
work
or
categorize
that
I
know
you
mentioned
using
like
the
existing
sections,
with
the
how
the
packages
are
split
up
and
such,
but
like
with
an
open
source
team
of
developers?
How
do
you
figure
out
how
to
divide
and
conquer.
C
I
mean
our
team
is
pretty
relaxed
and
everybody's
generally
really
willing
to
do
some
work.
So
you
know
we
just
kind
of
go
around
the
table
and
see
which
part
people
are
more
interested
in
to
work
on
right.
Do
you
want
to
work
on
more?
Like
you
know
the
work
group
component
or
you
know,
like
persistence
or
you
know
zkp,
and
we
just
kind
of
you
know
let
people
volunteer
for
work.
C
C
So
we
go
around
and
just
see
what
everybody's
interested
in
then
kind
of
fill
out
the
positions-
and
you
know
sometimes
we
have
more
than
one
person
on
one
part
if
they're
really
just
interested
in
learning
that
part
and
other
people,
you
know
pick
up
solo
parts,
so
yeah
we
don't
have
like
an
official
way
of
doing
it,
but
that's
one
of
the
I
don't
know
great
aspects
of
this
team.
C
Even
you
know
before
when
it
was
monolithic
test
suites
is
that
we
really
don't
have
any
trouble,
just
kind
of
like
filling
in
the
spaces
that
need
to
be
filled.
C
Yeah
and-
and
I
mean
really
in
reality,
what's
going
to
happen
is
even
though
we've
kind
of
separate
the
initial
research
and
work
into
you
know
among
either
solo
duo
parties
that
a
lot
of
the
work
is
just
gonna
end
up
being
kind
of,
you
know
mixed
between
us
all
right,
because
if
you're
working
on
something
zkp-
and
maybe
you
don't
have
experience
but
you
wanna
learn,
then
you're
gonna
end
up
coming
to
the
person
who
has
more
experience
there
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
C
Your
question
has
made
me
realize
that
we
should
have
more
structure
now,
as
as
we
go
forward
because,
right
now,
it's
in
the
beginning,
once
we've
like
defined
the
places
where,
like
who's
doing
work
group,
then
then
we'll
probably
have
more
structure
there
and
start
applying
like
normal.
I
don't
know
developer
rules
right.
You
know
like
just
that.
We
work
through
github
and
whatnot,
otherwise,.
C
A
I
think
we
can
attempt
a
solution,
but
it
would
restart
the
stream.
C
B
C
B
C
B
So
we've
also,
I
know
we're
gonna-
have
a
general
assembly
coming
up
in
one
to
two
weeks.
I
think
two
weeks
from
now
is
when
we'll
schedule
it,
but
then
we'll
give
more
detailed
updates.
But
there
is
a
lot
of
work
happening.
I
would
say
in
the
community,
things
have
picked
up
pace
with
specific
work
groups
forming
from
the
different
teams
like
the
one
keith
was
just
mentioning.
Is
the
sri
work
group
within
the
core
devs
and
then
on
the
outreach
team.
E
Yeah,
the
research
group
has
some
pretty
exciting
work
going
on
and
a
lot
of
interesting
individuals
with
unique
interests
that
are
pitching
into
the
efforts
going
on
there
right
now.
We're
basically
crowdsourcing
a
lot
of
ideas
for
research
centered
around
the
baseline
protocol,
because
the
baseline
protocol
includes
so
many
different
technologies,
ckp's
messaging
services,
interesting
enterprise
use
cases
that
basically
take
the
baseline
protocol.
E
This
blockchain
is
middleware
concept
that
allows
you
to
validate
and
synchronize
business
processes
and
all
of
their
workflows
and
work
steps.
So
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
different
industries
like
healthcare
finance
supply
chain,
even
even
areas
like
aerospace
and
telecom,
that
all
have
interesting
needs
for
synchronization
and
verified
workflows,
and
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
see
needs
for
at
these
companies
is
the
ability
to
work
around
these
new
data
regulations
that
everybody
has
to
deal
with
like
gdpr
hipaa.
E
I
think
sarbanes-oxley
and
other
regulations
that
really
put
a
big
emphasis
on
data
privacy
and
companies
don't
want
their
data,
leaving
their
systems
of
record,
they
want
to
stay
put
and
they
still
want
to
be
able
to
coordinate,
because
data
sharing
and
coordination
is
the
next
leg
in
this
new
digital
transformation
that
we're
all
experiencing.
E
To
really,
you
know,
demonstrate
this
value
to
businesses
and
show
them
through
pitch
decks
or
materials
and
curated
materials
for
different
positions
at
companies,
whether
it's
the
cio
or
a
developer.
Who
really
gets
the
technology
and
wants
to
start
building
it
at
their
company
before
they
show
it
to
those
c-suite
executives?
E
So
we're
we're
pretty
happy
with
the
progress
of
of
where
things
are
going
so
far
and,
like
I
mentioned
all
the
use
cases
that
we're
looking
at
in
these
industries.
We
have
people
in
these
different
industries
like
telecom
or
supply
chain,
who
are
interested
and
excuse
me
got
a
frog
in
my
throat
interested
in
developing
these
materials.
So
it's
it's
great.
C
A
B
No
worries
we'll
just
stand
here
then
so
yeah
mark-
that's
really
interesting.
I
think
something
that's
always
been
a
gap
is
that
there
are
domain
experts
across
all
different
industries
interested
in
the
protocol,
but
there
are
no
existing
materials
that
connect
the
dots
on
why
someone
in
that
space
should
be
learning
more
about
the
protocol.
So
now,
as
a
team,
we
are
all
working
towards
creating
those
pieces
and
keith.
What
are
your
questions
for
mark.
C
Ahead
well,
thank
you
for
teaming
me
up.
So
no,
let's
so
yeah
I
was
just
wondering.
Have
you
heard
any
like
really
cool
new
novel
baseline
implementations
or
brainstorm
ideas
that
have
come
through
the
research
group?
I
don't
know
if
we're
allowed
to
talk
about
that.
E
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
If
I
am
at
liberty
to
say
what
some
of
those
ideas
are,
but
I
I
do
know
that
I
can
yeah
one
one
interesting
this.
This
isn't
part
of
the
research
group,
but
one
interesting
idea
that
we've
been
bouncing
around
with
one
of
the
members
of
our
community
and
finances.
The
idea
of
baselining
bank
to
bank
loans,
a
lot
of
banks.
They
don't
want
to
reveal
the
assets
on
their
balance
sheet
whenever
they're
applying
for
a
loan
from
another
bank.
E
What
types
of
treasuries,
or
you
know
whether
they
have
gold
or
stocks
or
other
things,
backing
the
collateral
for
the
loans
that
they're
applying
for
and
the
opportunity
to
baseline.
A
process
like
that
would
allow
banks
to
secure
loans
quicker
by
proving
that
they
have
they
collat
that
they
have
the
collateral
without
actually
revealing
it
and
would
increase
the
trading
velocity
and
and
privacy
for
banks,
because
they
don't
want
to
reveal
these
things
to
each
other
and
help
them
out
in
the
process.
E
B
I
think,
what's
also
interesting
is
the
relation
to
the
enablement
work
group
that
you
mentioned.
It
is
alongside
the
research
happening
by
those
interested
in
researching
the
enablement
group
is
working
on
creating
deliverables
for
different
personas
within
the
business,
tech
or
other
spaces
that
make
the
decisions
around
baselining,
whether
it's
the
decision
to
baseline
their
existing
products
and
services
or,
if
you're,
the
person
actually
implementing
at
the
company.
B
Since
the
standard
is
open
source
and
according
to
john,
it
only
takes
six
steps
and
any
developer
can
do
it
so,
based
on
the
different
personas
who'd,
be
interested
in
baseline,
making
sure
that
they're
equipped
with
the
proper
deliverables
for
their
needs,
for
example,
where
an
executive
would
really
just
want
to
know
how
much
money
does
this
save
me,
what
are
the
security
risks
or
benefits
and
that
level
of
information
versus
going
down
to
different
levels
of
granularity?
B
F
It's
okay,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sitting
here
doing
like
three
things
at
once:
trying
to
pound
out
all
this.
You
know
different
content,
content
and
all
this
other
stuff.
So
your
original
question:
what
are
we
doing
as
far
as
the
work
as
far
as
outreach.
F
Well,
the
big
thing:
what
we
want
to
do
is
we've
actually
come
up
with
a
really
full-fledged
idea.
As
far
as
and
we've
demonstrated
how
this
is
compelling-
and
we
want
to
you
know-
really
start
to
march
this
into
you
know
a
commercialization
type
of
environment
to
say
you
know
this
is
what
it
is,
and
this
is
what
it
can
do,
and
this
is
what
you
are
going
to.
This
is
what
you
are
going
to.
F
You
know
benefit
from
you
know
if
you
adopt
baseline
okay,
I've
got
three
different
things
going
on
here,
so
I
mean
what
we
want
to
do
is
you
know
find
out,
you
know
what
are
the
target
addressable
markets,
you
know,
what
would
it
take
to
go
ahead
and
you
know
get
baselining
because
I've
had
you
know
several
people
come
up
and
say
I
really
love
this.
This
is
this
is
groundbreaking.
This
is
really
you
know.
F
You
know,
has
a
way
of
addressing
so
many
of
the
things
that
I
have
to
deal
with
every
day.
You
know,
what
can
I
do
to
get
baselined?
You
know
with
all
my
counterparties
by
next
week,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
sit
there
and
say:
okay.
Well
again,
we
need
that
concise
answer
to
that
question
which
we're
still
working
on
and
that's
why
we're
kind
of
leaning
on
our
technical
guys
to
sit
there
and
say:
hey.
F
You
know
where's
the
starting
point:
how
do
we
get
started
and
if
we
make
it
as
easy
as
possible,
I
mean
it
won't
be
plug
and
play,
but
if
we
can
make
it
easy
as
possible
or
simple,
shall
I
say
not
easy
simple
as
possible
to
get
started
then
that
really
is
what's
gonna
bring
baseline,
you
know
into
the
sun.
F
I
think
we
we've
been
working
on
this
for
two
years
now
and
we
pretty
much
have
gotten
to
where
we've
got
all
the
capabilities
out
there.
Now
we
want
to
actually
make
them
happen.
There's
a
lot
of
us
in
there
going.
You
know
this
is
great,
that
we're
building
it,
but
now
we
want
to
be
able
to,
you
know,
get
it
adopted.
We
want
to
be
able
to
sell
it
and
get
people.
You
know
it's
because
we
want
all
these
testimonials.
F
That
basically
said,
I
don't
remember
my
life
before
I
started
baselining
and
I
don't
want
to
you
know
it
is
the
greatest
thing
that
I
ever
have
come
up
with,
and
I
want
to
find
the
people
that
came
up
with
this
and
give
them
a
kiss
square
on
the
mouth.
So
and
I
don't
care
you
know,
that's
what
we
what
we
want
to
get
to,
and
so
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
really
kind
of
create
that
awareness
and
then
have
those.
F
You
know,
succinct
answers
as
to
you
know:
how
can
we
get
the
people
baselining
so
and
all
of
that
requires
communication
requires
collateral
to
where
people
you
know
that
are
either
just
casual
observers
can
on
their
own.
You
know,
read
some
content
that
will
you
know
kind
of
get
them
thinking
in
their
heads.
Well,
you
know
how
what
would
it
take
for
me
to
do
this
because
I'm
not
buying
any
real
new
hardware,
I'm
not
putting
a
whole
bunch
of
you
know
capital
investment.
F
You
know
how
can
I
make
this
actually
work,
because
that's
a
big
problem
within
our
operational
environment
is
this
out
of
sync
data.
With
our
you
know,
counterparties
which
we
you
know
syncing
up
is
really
difficult
because
of
data
privacy,
or
I
don't
want
to
share
anything
because
I
I
don't
want
anybody
getting
some
insights
as
to
what
I
may
be
doing.
You
know
from
a
competitive
standpoint,
so
you
know
what
we
want
to
do.
Is
you
know,
get
everybody?
B
Thank
you
yeah.
I
think
it's
a
great
time
for
the
community
members
who
have
they've
been
around
for
a
while
or
they're
new
to
have
a
part
in
this
work,
because,
what's
really
important
is
asking
people
who
are
newer.
What
are
you
wondering?
What
do
you
wish?
B
You
knew
because
even
myself,
I've
been
around
for
a
little
while
in
the
community
now,
but
if
somebody
asked
me
to
concisely
pitch
baseline
to
someone
and
I
had
to
do
it
on
the
spot,
I
think
I
have
a
good
enough
answer
in
my
head,
but
having
this
supporting
collateral
would
be
very
useful
in
anyone's
position
like,
for
example,
mark
I
messaged
you
I
think
two
nights
ago
and
I
was
like
help
me
come
up
with
the
use
case
off
the
top
of
my
head
for
the
healthcare
space
because
I
get
it,
but
when
I'm
speaking
to
somebody
who's
deeply
involved
in
the
industry,
I
was
like.
F
F
F
You
know,
give
the
full
you
know,
kind
of
gist
of
the
process
environment
and
how
big
these
are
and
yeah
specific,
specifically
within
healthcare,
because
you
know
it's
commonly
known
that
20
cents
of
every
health
care
dollar
is
lost
through
uncontrollable,
as
they
would
say,
fraud,
waste
and
abuse,
and
most
of
that
fraud
wasted
abuse
is
predicated
upon
this
very
you
know,
frictioned.
You
know
difficult
data
sharing
environment
which
is
hamstrung
by
the
data
privacy
by
hipaa
and
phi
to
where
it's
like
yeah.
F
The
two
of
us
need
to
align
up,
but
I
cannot
show
you
what
is
on
my
piece
of
paper
to
see
that
it
lines
up
with
what
happens
on
your
piece
of
paper.
We've
got
to
play
this
game
of
go
fish.
You
know
back
and
forth
until
we're
finally
aligned
up,
because
that's
the
way
that
we're
that
we're
you
know,
that's
the
that's
the
medium
in
which
we
operate
and
they
pretty
much
say
and
there's
really
no
other
way
around
it
and
they've
tried
different.
You
know
other
methods
of
saying,
okay.
F
Well,
let's,
let's
try
and
go
away
from
paper
and
start
using
edi,
but
even
edi
you've,
just
basically
put
it
more
digital
than
less
physical.
The
data
privacy
still
exists
and
you
still
have
within
healthcare.
A
huge
cottage
industry
of
you
know:
businesses
that
run
these
huge
call
centers
to
just
push
this
paper,
and
you
know
it's
still
being
done
even
in
the
21st
century
done.
You
know
in
paper
just
because
that's
the
way
that
it's
been
done,
is
it
the
most
efficient?
F
F
You
know
to
kind
of
bridge
that
gap,
and
you
know
that
still
doesn't
address
the
compliance
issue
and
it
doesn't
address
the
security
privacy,
but
you
know
when
the
real
issue
is
that
out
of
sync
data,
and
how
can
we
sync
it
and
you
know,
and
do
it
in
a
manner
that
preserves
the
privacy,
the
compliance
you
know
and
the
business
practices
you
know
baseline
and
I've
seen
no
other
competing
solution.
F
Make
it
happen.
You
know
not
just
in
claims
adjudication,
but
we
start
looking
at.
You
know
large
clinical
trials
to
where
everybody
not
only
needs
to
be
kept
anonymized
because
of
their
identity
as
patients
within
the
within
the
trial,
but
you
have
to
keep
it
all
fairly
under
wraps
because
you
don't
want
competitors
getting
wind
of
hey.
These
people
are
working
on
this
type
of
molecule
for
this
type
of
therapeutic
treatment.
We're
going
to
start
working
on
it
too.
F
You
know,
plus
you
know
clinical
trials.
You've
got
all
these
people
that
have
to
be
you've
got
to
recruit.
You
know
new
new
pro
trial
participants
and
hope
they
stay
with
the
the
the
program.
You
know
in
the
18
to
21
months
or
even
longer
than
it
takes
to
have
all
of
this.
That's
the
problem.
You
have
these
attrition
rates
and
you
know
they
may
be
sending
notices
and
instructions
to
people
that
dropped
off
three
months
ago,
because
they
have
no
idea.
F
B
Yes,
and
with
that
taylor,
as
someone
who
you
know,
works
for
a
company
that
actually
offers
services
and
a
product
around
the
baseline
protocol
or
related
to
what
kind
of
questions
or
talking
points,
do
you
see
questions?
Do
people
have
or
talking
points?
Are
you
prepared
with
when
you
get
questions
about
what
the
protocol
does
and
the
benefits
of
it
to
these
companies.
D
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
it's
it's
going
in
pretty
open-ended
right,
so
you're
always
starting
with
someone
who
doesn't
necessarily
have
an
understanding
of
what
baseline
actually
has
to
offer.
So
you
have
to
understand
a
little
more
about
their
pain
points
and
what
they're
struggling
with.
So
you
know,
there's
a
few
different
ways
to
approach
it
right.
I
think
it's
just.
It
depends
on
on
the
contact
that
you
have.
D
You
know,
depending
on
the
department
they're,
in
how
technical
you
can
get
with
explaining
what
we're
actually
doing
here
and
and
what
value
we're
bringing
but
most
of
the
time
it
it
just
takes
a
little
bit
of
of
you,
know,
patience
and
understanding
to
the
individual
that
we're
we're
working
with
and
then
from
there
it's
it's.
You
know
growing
the
reach
internally
and
kind
of
expanding.
B
F
The
first
parts
of
it:
yes,
the
the
scenarios
that
I
gave
you
you
know
from
grace
the
billing
coordinator
for
the
healthcare
payer
and
then
robin
the
billing
coordinator
from
the
healthcare
provider.
Those
are
two
counterparties
that
basically
have
to
align
up
with
all
the
different
data
fields
and
coding,
taxonomies
and
all
the
other
little
nuts
and
bolts
of
having
to
adjudicate
a
claim
these
two.
F
Basically
it
takes
about
45
days
for
them
just
to
get
a
line
so
that
they
can,
then
you
know
move
forward,
and
that
is
because
of
the
data
privacy.
You
know
compliance
problems
and
saying
you
know
they
could
actually
align
up.
You
know
within
a
matter
of
seconds
using
the
using
baseline.
So,
yes,
the
the
once
I
end
in
the
clinical
trial.
Those
are
all
straight
from
my
product
announcements
from
the
future,
because
I've
been
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
a
nut
for
the
healthcare
angle.
F
For
this
for
quite
a
while
was
the
same
way
with
blockchain,
because
everybody
started
to
really
kind
of
make
a
mad
dash
toward
the
financial
services
and
payments
and
cross-border
stuff,
and
I'm
like
how
come
no
one's
paying
attention
to
you
know
some
of
the
other
industries
like
healthcare
and
stuff
and
they're.
Like
I
don't
know,
I
grew
up
in
banking.
So
that's
what
I
know
so,
I'm
like
well,
let's
start
looking
at
you
know
other
places
to
where
you
know,
there's
actually
a
real
need
for
this.
F
B
Amazing
well,
thank
you,
and
I
know
it's
not
official
yet,
but
we
were
in
talks
about
you,
curating
similar
pieces
for
a
grant,
or
just
for
the
community
in
general
to
just
spit
fire
baseline
related
to
certain
use
cases
or
just
updates,
and
we
can
get
some
good
pieces
on
our
blog.
Hopefully,
bi-weekly.
F
That's
what
we
want
to
do
is
I
want
to
sit
there
and
you
know
focus
on
real
world
applications
for
baseline.
What
is
it
going
to
do?
You
know
to
make
your
job
better,
or
at
least
make
it
suck
less
and
again
we
and
it's
gonna.
You
know
the
three
pillars
of
why
anybody
wants
to
innovate.
F
F
You
know
a
a
a
a
cloud
cluster
and
and
maintain
it
and
all
this
you
know
why
try
and
you
know,
introduce
so
much
new
complexity
when
you
don't
really
have
to
so
again,
boring
is
the
new
sexy,
as
as
john
wilpert
loves
loves
to
say,
and
I'm
like
and,
and
you
know,
when
I
explain
baseballing
to
a
lot
of
people.
F
They
say
it
can't
be
that
easy
and
I'm
like
why
but
like
well,
just
because
I've
never
heard
of
it
being
that
easy
and
I'm
like
well,
that's
why
I'm
trying
to
tell
you
about
it.
Now
and
a
lot
of
stuff
that
you
haven't
heard
of
before
it
can't
be
that
easy.
Yes,
it
is
so,
and
it's
really
kind
of
you
know
a
shift
from
you
know
a
lot
of
those
of
us
that
are
blockchain
veterans.
F
Where
you
know
people
said
I
want
a
blockchain
and
that
contemplated
like
I
want
to
rip
and
replace
you
what
I've
got
now.
So
I
can
have
this
new
cool
blockchain
and
I'm
like.
F
We
really
thought
that
through
and
we
come
to
find
out.
You
know,
as
a
lot
of
us
had
put
together
a
lot
of
different
projects.
We
could
not
demonstrate
that
we
could
make
blockchain
outperform
the
current
environment
and
do
it
cost
effectively
and
so
start
looking
at
a
different
way
around
this,
instead
of
in
starting
using
blockchain
as
middleware
as
that
root
of
trust,
not
that
single
source
of
truth
so
because
we
only
need
to
prove
stuff.
So,
let's
not
try
and
introduce
all
this
new.
F
You
know
thought
into
it
when
it's
not
really
required.
I
mean
synchronization
within
multi-party,
especially
external
counterparties
has
been
a
nut.
Everyone's
been
trying
to
crack,
for
you
know
for
30
40
years
now
so
and
I
think
we're
at
the
cusp
of
actually
doing
it.
So
many
people
have
heard
so
many
pie
in
the
sky
stuff
that
we're
like
you
know
and
I'm
like.
No,
this
actually
has
legs
and
it
is
built
on.
F
You
know
the
you
know
a
big
body
of
work
that
we
know
now
doesn't
work
or
it's
too
costly
or
it's
just
impractical.
F
B
F
I
have
not
seen
it
yet,
but
it
makes
me
kind
of
sit
there.
I'm
like
nfts,
okay.
Well,
what
can
we
get
into
here?
You
know
on
on
nfps
and
I
need
to
see
you
know
what
is
it
that
you
need
as
far
as
for
genetic
or
genomics
companies
that
you
need
to
actually
have
that
as
a
tokenized
asset,
giving
it
singularity
and
permanence
and
who
maintains
custody
of
it?
I
I
imagine
it
would
be
the
patient
and
that
they
can
then
share
it.
F
You
know,
and
you
know
to
what
level
they
want
to
share
it.
You
know
it
gives
them
that
self
sovereignty
function
and
stuff,
but
no,
I
haven't
read
the
article,
so
I'm
not
going
to
get
too
deep
in
it
yet.
F
But
my
first
thing
is:
I'm
like
nfts
in
okay
in
in
genomics
interesting
I
mean,
are
we
doing
it
just
to
say?
Hey,
let's
add
the
sexiness
of
nfts.
You
know
because
it's
gotten
a
lot
of
buzz
right
now
and
we
want
to
kind
of
glom
some
of
that
on
to
something,
as
you
know,
kind
of
high
level.
As
genomics,
it's
not
really
something.
You
can
really
talk
to
somebody
while
waiting
at
a
bus,
stop
and
keep
them
engaged.
A
B
I
did
not,
I
didn't
read
it
all,
yet
I
read
some
of
it.
I
know
it
was
related
to
being.
A
B
Not
fully,
but
I
know
the
intent
is
for
the
patients
or
the
people
themselves
to
have
the
control
of
their
gene
data
versus
companies.
So
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
their
ideas
and
intents
were.
But
I
thought
it
was
interesting
and
I
will
have
to
look
back
at
it.
C
So,
instead
of
like,
instead
of
like
a
genetic
company
like
23andme
holding
all
my
information,
I
can
just
hold
it
and
if
they
need
it,
I'll
be
like
that's,
that'll
be
10
bucks.
Each
time
yeah.
F
Well,
you
know
and
a
lot
of
people
were
sitting
here
I
mean
and
again,
if
you're
going
to
nft
your
genomics
and
stuff,
that's
still
going
to.
If
you
share
it
to
someone
you
know
like
like
a
company,
they
are
then
bound
by
hipaa
and
phi
because
you
know
it
is
not
you
you
know.
So
they
are
actually,
you
know,
have
care,
custody
and
control
of
your
identifiable
health
data
and
so
they're
going
to
have
to
exercise
that
care
and
control
over
that
custody.
F
And
so
it's
one
of
those
and-
and
you
know
the
fact
that
it's
an
nft
and
not
a
pdf
or
something
like
that-
doesn't
change
anything
so
yeah,
there's
gonna
be
some
operational
risk
management,
governance
risk
and
you
know
and
control
aspects
that
need
to
be
fleshed
out
on
it.
But
it's
interesting
I
mean,
if
you're
doing
genomics,
I
mean
think
of
what
you
know.
You
can
pretty
much
nft
anything
to
where
you
can
tokenize
it
and
then
you
can
then
exchange
it
barter.
It
lend
off
of
it.
F
You
know
all
the
other
stuff,
but
I
don't
see
if
I
could
find
anybody
that
would
want
to
buy
my
genomics.
Oh
well,
wrong,
never
mind,
I'm
going
to
walk
that
back.
They're
going
to
be
probably
some
that
really
want
to
know
your
your
health
data
and
if
it
came
from
you
they
at
least
have
an
excuse.
Should
you
know
the
hipaa
police
start
sniffing
around
and
stuff,
but
we've
been.
F
Of
course
they
are,
of
course
they
are.
I
tell
everybody
if
you're
not
paying
for
a
product
and
you're
using
it
all
the
time
you
are
the
product.
You
know
that's
what
that's
what
facebook
and
that's
what
you
know
all
the
social
media
channels
are
like.
You
know
you
don't
pay
a
dime.
They
are
aggregating
all
of
your
movement
and
all
of
your
thoughts,
and
you
know
all
of
that
stuff
to
try
and
you
know,
really
kind
of
get
a
high
level
view
and
some
predictability
about
somebody
like
you.
F
What
might
they
do
next?
So
that's
where
you're,
starting
to
kind
of
get.
You
know
the
move
toward
the
self-sovereignty
aspect
to
say
I
want
to
control
my
data
and
how
it's
shared,
and
that
was
a
really
kind
of
a
big
feature
of
verified
credentials
and
you're.
Starting
to
see
a
lot
of
the
big
tech.
Companies
are
really
trying
to
kind
of
halt
the
development
or
at
least
slow,
the
development
of
these
verified
credentials,
because
it
is
a
threat
to
that
data-driven
economy
of
theirs.
F
So
again,
you
know
for
baseline,
it's
one
of
those
where
you
know
you
keep
your
data.
We
just
want
to
be
able
to
say
that,
yes,
we
are
at
least
synchronized
up
without
revealing
anything.
F
And
it's
kind
of
a
big
thing
that
you're
getting
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
when
you
explain
all
this
is
around
the
whole
zero
knowledge
aspect,
because
so
many
people,
just
you
know
as
human
beings.
How
can
you
convince
someone
or
how
can
I
be
convinced
without
somebody
showing
it
to
me?
It's
like
show
me.
The
money
show
me
this.
You
know
wait
a
minute
that
that
can't
be
real
here.
It
is
yeah
and
so
yeah
a
lot,
and
so
a
lot
of
people
are
like
going.
F
How
can
I
do
something
through
zero
knowledge,
and
so
you
have
to
kind
of
not
get
too
deep
on
that,
but
I
say
you
know
the
zero
knowledge
will
create
a
fingerprint
of
each
data
set
and
then
compare
the
fingerprints.
It's
not
moving
anything
out
of
there.
It's
comparing
the
fingerprints,
that's
the
simplest
explanation
that
I've
had
some
success
with.
C
Yeah,
well
I
mean
like
everybody
nowadays
they
already
accept
that
all
their
information,
that's
in
the
hands
of
whatever
entity
that
they've
signed
up
with,
is
protecting
their
information
in
some
way
right.
So
I
think
to
make
that
leap
to
be
like.
Oh
now,
this
is
zero
knowledge.
I
don't
trust
it
it's
like!
Well,
I
don't
know
my
data's
probably
leaked
all
the
time
by
random
entities
already.
C
So
if
I'm
gonna
move
over
to
a
system
where
it's
like,
okay,
maybe
I
still
don't
know
exactly
how
it
works,
but
at
the
very
least
they're
saying
that
there's
gonna
be
less
transference
of
that
data
and
they're
going
to
keep
it
in
a
legacy
system
of
like
it
can't
get.
It
can't
get
worse
right
like
it's.
Only
it's
going
to
be
the
same,
or
it's
got
to
be
better
right.
Yeah.
F
Yeah,
it
can't
get
any
worse,
but
I
mean
a
lot
of
people,
though
I
I
think
are
just
unaware
at
really
how
much
data
that
they
you
know
just
leak.
You
know
just
through
going
through
the
motions
day
in
day
out
in
their
internet.
You
know
internet
movements
and
stuff,
like
that.
I
don't
think
they
really
understand
how
much
of
that
they're
actually
sharing,
and
I
say
that
because
I
don't
see
all
the
outrage
out
there,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
if
they
truly
knew
about
this
would
get
really
really
concerned.
F
Even
you
know
pretty
much
pissed
off
pretty
quickly,
saying
whoa
wait
a
minute
you
mean
my
my
new
iphone
or
my
new
android
galaxy.
Just
the
default
factory
settings
open
all
the
floodgates
to
my
personal
data,
and
I'm
just
you
know
spreading
this
all
over
and
had
no
idea.
C
C
A
F
F
But
we're
not
trying
we're
not
trying
to
that's,
not
a
problem
that
we're
trying
to
solve.
You
know
it's
the
you
know,
people
that
do
not
want
their
data
in
motion,
because
you
know
that's
where
the
leakage
happens.
You
know
and
all
the
security
guys
they're
like
hey.
I
would
I'll
take
data
at
rest
any
day,
because
those
are
easy
to
you
know
I
can
put
a
fence
around
it,
but
when
it's
starting
to
move
and
especially
moving
outside
my
walls
and
my
moat,
that's
where
I
get
really
nervous.
C
Yeah
and
that's
the
simple
equation:
explanation
to
people
right,
it's
like!
If
you
have
a
baseline
implementation,
then
you
know
how
much
what
percentage
of
you
know
data
is
going
from
what
was
previously
in
motion
to
now
permanently
at
rest
and
that
that
itself
just
equates
to
how
much
more
overall
security
so
on
and
so
forth.
C
F
C
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
not
a
security
analyst
or
anything,
but
I
would
wager
to
say
that
either
yeah
data
already
in
motion
or
really
eliciting
the
motion
of
data
is
like
the
most
common
thing,
like
you're,
not
you're,
not
like
hacking
into
the
mainframe
of
some
legacy
system.
That's
you
know.
You
know
deep.
F
Well
and
yeah:
three
people
sharing
a
keyboard
and
stuff
like
that.
The
first
thing
is:
when
you
start
looking
at
a
lot
of
the
different
you
know
kind
of
the
post-mortems
of
a
lot
of
these
data
breaches.
I
mean
those
things.
Will
I
mean,
raise
your
eyebrows
and
really
kind
of
sit
there
and
go
what
mainly
because
they're
like
well
yeah.
We
had
a
breach
and
we've
isolated
where
the
initial
entry
point
was,
we
didn't
discover
it
for
four
months
and
that
person
had
been
in
there
walking
around
unfettered.
F
F
You
know
the
day:
zero
attacks,
they're
like
yes,
you
have
been
accessed
and
you
know
my
br,
my
background's
in
risk
management,
and
I
used
to
do
a
lot
of
the
insurance
quoting
and
stuff
for
data
breach,
liability
and
cyber
liability.
F
And
you
know
it's
it's
just
amazing
at
how
you
know
how
much
you
know.
Exposure
is
out
there
and
people
just
have
no
idea
of
how
big
it
is
or
really
how
bad
it
is.
But
you
come
to
find
out
that
you
know
wait
a
minute.
F
The
breach
happened.
We
didn't
find
out
about
it
for,
for
four
months,
that's
almost
like
you
know,
hey.
I
went
out
of
town
for
I
went
out
of
town
for
for
four
months
and
I
turned
the
faucet
on
in
my
sink
and
you
know
put
the
drain
on
and
I
just
left
it
when
you
come
back
four
months
later,
you're
gonna
have
a
big
water
bill
and
you're
gonna.
Have
you
know
a
house
flooded.
A
C
We
should
yeah,
we
should
get
some
security
architects
on
our
new
on
a
new
podcast.
F
Oh,
if
you
want
to
bring
a
threat
hunter,
those
guys
bring
bring
some
threat
hunters
because
you
know
the
big
problem,
the
big
problem
and
it
makes
so
many
security
guys.
So
so
so
frustrated
is,
is
you
know,
security,
cyber
security
and
all
of
that
is
by
nature
required
to
be
defensive.
Only
they're
like
we
cannot
sit
there
and
fire
back.
F
F
So
that's
why
you
have
these
threat
hunters
because
they're
all
like
well,
we
need
to
know
what
it
looks
like
when
it
shows
up.
You
know,
outside
of
our
walls,.
F
That's
that's
the
thing
that
they
get
into
because
they're
like
and
that's
why
data
in
motion
always
makes
some
makes
them
nervous,
because
you
know
I
can't
go
out
there
and
do
something
you
know
offensive.
You
know
proactively.
You
know
I
have
to
always
be
reactive
and
defensive.
F
F
Yeah
bring
it
my
apartment's
gonna
get
man.
No,
it's
gonna
be
like
my
apartment.
This
apartment's
brace
baseline,
I'm
gonna
go
find
another
one.
That
was
the
whole
idea.
That
was
the
whole
thing
behind
you.
Remember
that
the
club
it
was
that
little
thing
that
you
put
on
your
steering
wheel
to
kind
of
deter.
You
know,
thieves,
you
have
the
club,
you
know
those
things
can
be
defeated
in
like
10
seconds,
but
the
idea
was
to
basically
say:
hey,
go
find
one
that
doesn't
have
one.
F
F
So
how
can
I
make
that?
You
know,
as
you
know,
as
as
less
risky
as
as
possible
and
as
comfortable
as
possible?
F
C
Yeah,
I
think
I
have
some
connects.
Oh
I
mean
the
government,
I
think
I
know
a
guy
who
runs
a
security
podcast
already.
So
maybe
we.
B
C
Yeah
but
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
where
you're
gonna
end
the
call
sono
I'd
like
to
go
back
to,
I
think,
mark
c
mark
with
the
c.
You
had
a
good
tag
line.
It
was
something
about
like
oh
I've.
I
don't
remember
anything
from
my
life
before.
F
F
F
C
Again
yeah
I
like
that.
I
like
that
totally
different.
Let's,
let's
workshop
it
a
little
bit
in
this
last
two
minutes
sure,
instead
of
instead
of
instead
of
I
don't
remember,
my
life
was
like
before
we
can
also
be
like.
I
thought
I
loved
my
wife
until
I
met
the
baseline
protocol,
no
love
my.
F
It
is
one
of
those
type
of
seat
chains.
You
know
because
again,
everybody's
like
wait,
a
minute.
Is
it
that
simple,
I'm
like
yeah?
It
is.
You
know
quit
trying
to
put
all
this
a
different
stuff
in
on
there,
because
you
know
people
are
going
well
yeah,
you
could
do
you
can
baseline
and
you
know
once
you
baseline,
then
you
can
start
minting
nfts
and
you
can
start
you
know
doing
your
smart
contracts.
You
can
do
all
this
and
I'm
like
guys
hold
on.
Let's
get
baseline
first.
F
So
you
know
if
you
want
to
tokenize,
if
you
want
to
start
doing
smart
contracts
by
all
means,
but
let's
sit
there
and
you
know,
take
care
of
what
needs
to
be
taken
care
of
first,
and
it's
that
out
of
sync
data,
that
multi-party
data
sharing.
F
Oh
all
of
my
little
folksy
yeah
homespun
corn
phone
theory,
type
stuff
yeah.
I've
got
a
million.
B
C
You
all
for
yeah,
let's
hear
it,
my
children
were
the
most
important
thing
to
me
in
life
and
then
the
baseline
protocol.
F
B
All
right,
thank
you
all
so
much
for
joining
us
live
or
tuning.
In
and
next
week,
boris
breslov,
our
baseline
community
member
from
j.p
morgan,
who
is
currently
at
lendit
fintech
in
new
york,
will
be
joining
us
to
give
us
a
brief
on
what
he
learned
at
the
event
and
he's
there
talking
all
about
baseline
to
some
finance
folks.
So,
looking
forward
to
that
all
right,
thank
you
all
and
have
a
great
rest
of
your
week.