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A
Right
good
evening,
it's
6
30
and
we
can
commit
commence.
The
many
done
overview
committee
tonight
welcome
to
everyone
just
the
housekeeping.
There
are
no
fire
alarm
schedule
for
this
evening.
Therefore,
if
the
fire
alarm
sounds,
please
evacuate
the
building
immediately
and
the
fire
exit
is
located
at
the
side
of
this
room
exit
through
the
reception
and
meet
in
the
War
Memorial
Park
right
item
number.
One
on
the
agenda
is
apologies
for
absence
and
substitutions.
A
A
Any
urgent
matters
nobody's
told
me
of
any
good
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
5th
of
October
2022
contained
in
your
papers.
Oh,
we
agreed
that
I
can
sign
these
as
accurate
great.
Thank
you
very
much
I'll.
Do
that
in
a
minute,
so
we
can
move
on
to
straight
away
our
main
agenda
item,
which
is
to
receive
an
update
on
where
we
are
with
the
many
Dam
program
and
we'll
talk
about
whether
or
not
we
need
to
go
into
private
sessions
at
some
time
later.
But
let's
first
hear
from
councilor
Isaac.
B
B
Okay,
so
this
is
the
report
is
an
update
on
where
things
are
are
on
money
down
and
as
those
existing
members
will
know,
we
we
look
at
the
two
ownerships,
the
many
down
North,
where
we
are
in
partnership
with
Urban
and
Zurich,
and
many
down
south
where
we
are
it
is.
It
remains
at
the
moment,
joint
ownership
by
the
two
councils.
B
So
it's
the
two
councils
and
urban
and
Civic
on
Millie
down
North
and
the
two
councils
aren't
many
down
south
on
many
down
North.
We
are
at
and
have
been
for
some
time
now,
the
keys,
the
key
stage
of
agreeing
the
mechanism
and
the
price
to
draw
down
Land
from
the
Freeholder,
which
is
the
many
down
company
and
you
know,
I-
have
to
I
have
to
own
up
that
that
is
taking
longer
than
we
would
wish.
B
It
is,
however,
something
that
has
to
be
got
right,
because
obviously
you
will
appreciate
that
the
price
that's
agreed
for
the
land
is
is
is
absolutely
critical.
We're
talking
about
land
values
that
are
in
the
many
millions
and
a
gross
development
value
for
the
for
the
many
down
North
in
excess
of
a
billion.
B
So
as
the
stakes
are
high
in
making
sure
that
we
get
a
price
agreed
with
the
many
down
company
that
still
enable
us
and
enables
us
with
Urban
and
Civic,
to
develop
the
three
and
a
half
thousand
homes
on
many
now
North.
You
know
in
a
viable
way
and
make
sure
that
they're
good
quality
homes,
so
we
are
officers,
senior
officers
involved,
are
speaking
very
I'm.
B
Making
are
in
close
contact
with
Urban
and
Civic
to
to
because
Urban
and
Civic
have
been
leading
the
negotiations
with
the
many
down
company,
but
we're
we're
obviously
deeply
involved
in
in
that
whole
process
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
it
will
not
be
too
long
before
we
can
reach
an
agreement.
But
if
we
can't
reach
an
agreement
with
a
manidan
company,
then
you
know
it.
It
isn't
a
case
of
being
able
to
just
say:
okay,
we'll
we'll
we'll
we'll
agree
any
price
and
and
get
on
with
the
development.
B
If
we
can't
we
can't
and
so
that
that
has
to
be
understood,
then
in
relation
to
and
sorry
and
it.
In
addition
on
many
down
North
we've
got
the
Project
Director
today,
David
Ainsworth
and
the
program
director
Barry
Crabb
from
Urban
and
Civic
here
tonight
and
they're,
going
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
program,
particularly
in
relation
to
the
other
key
element
for
many
down
North
in
terms
of
where
we
are
in
in
in
terms
of
the
progress
and
that's
connected
with
planning.
B
B
Obviously,
if
you,
if
you
wish
to
and
then
on
many
down
south
the
the
work
that
officers
are
doing,
there
is
focused
on
the
on
on
making
sure
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
proceed
as
quickly
as
possible
with
development
on
many
down
south
in
the
context
of
the
a
new
local
plan
and
obviously
the
that
the
work.
That's
been
the
work
that's
been
done
now
is
focused
on
preparation
for
regulation
18,
which
would
be
I
think
later
in
this
year.
B
A
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
again
for
having
us
back
at
the
mock,
as
councilor
Isis
explained.
We're
here
really
in
the
capacity
today.
Is
the
development
manager
who's
doing
the
delivery
aspect
of
this
scheme
less
so
around
the
commercials
and
we're
really
here
to
provide
a
supplement
to
the
report,
which
is
before
you
adding
what
I'd
say
some
color
around
some
of
the
work.
E
F
F
So
you
discharge
the
site
where
Frameworks
they
reside
over
the
whole
site.
You
then
move
into
the
tier
2,
which
is
a
key
phase
Frameworks,
which
is
specific
to
the
the
first,
the
key
phase
going
forward,
and
then
tier
three
are
the
reserve
matter,
applications
which
inform
what
has
been
built
and
you
get
the
real
detail,
so
the
tier
ones
have
all
been
submitted
and
I
think.
Since
this
committee
last
met
please
to
confirm
that
five
of
those
have
been
discharged
successfully,
the
ecological
ecological
mitigation
and
management
strategy
was
discharged.
F
That
was
a
critical
siteware
framework.
What
that
enabled
us
to
do
is
to
start
the
process
with
a
number
of
the
technical
stakeholders.
Consultees,
including
Natural
England,
and
some
of
you
will
be
aware
that
we're
actually
on
site
removing
some
of
the
hedgerows
head
of
the
sensitive,
but
nesting
season
and
alike
around
the
site.
Access
Junctions,
the
the
ecological
investigation
and
management
strategy
was
the
Gateway
for
us
to
put
an
application
into
Natural
England
to
remove
some
of
those
head
rows.
F
We've
worked
successfully
with
natural
England
to
obtain
that
license
and
we're
seeing
the
results
of
that
on
site.
At
present.
Another
sitewise
framework
document
that's
been
approved.
Is
the
countryside
Park
development?
Brief
again,
another
really
big
document,
because
a
lot
of
what
we
will
be
presenting
over
the
forthcoming
years
about
delivery
in
the
countryside.
Park
may
not
need
for
planning
consent,
past
planting
a
Hedges
and
some
of
the
softer
measures
that
we're
doing
in
terms
of
the
the
environmental
bits.
F
F
Other
software
Frameworks
that
have
been
discharged,
the
construction
strategy,
the
travel
plan
and
the
phasing
and
delivery
strategy
we're
currently
working
with
the
local
planning
authority
to
discharge
the
remaining
documents
and
a
piece
of
report
that
I
would
expect
all
of
the
site
where
Frameworks
to
be
approved
within
the
next
month.
We've
got
positive
Dialogue
on
all
of
the
outstanding
documents,
including
the
Urban,
Design
and
vision
statements.
We've
updated
that
to
reflect
comments
from
both
the
statutory
stakeholder
and
the
LPA,
and
that's
currently
with
them
for
final
review.
F
The
Estate
Management
plan
has
been
updated
and
working
again
to
agree
that
the
drainage
report
is
an
interesting
one.
That's
the
lead,
lead
flood
Authority
has
been
involved
and
consulted
in
detail
on
the
drainage
strategy.
We've
supplemented
our
infiltration
testing
and
that's
been
on
site
in
the
last
month,
or
so
targeting
key
ponds
and
key
areas.
So
we've
got
more
information
in
terms
of
the
soak
away
potential
of
the
chalk,
which
is
informed
adrenal
strategy
in
the
lead,
flood,
Authority
and
I
can
happy
with
that
document.
F
So
we're
we're
moving
to
to
sign
that
off
and
Heritage
management
plan
has
been
supplemented
following
quite
a
lot
of
response
and
good
dialogue
with
the
County's
archaeologists.
So
not
only
are
we
looking
at
built
form
Heritage,
but
also
archeology,
to
supplement
the
conditions
so
I'm
I'm
optimistic
the
next
four
weeks
we
will
have,
we
will
be
through
the
tier
one.
Submissions
and
work
is
now
ongoing
in
the
tier
two
and
perhaps
I'll
pass
across
the
table
for
an
update
on
that.
E
Okay,
yeah,
recognizing
that
the
main
thrust
of
delivery
of
money
down
would
be
through
this
tiered
consent,
so,
as
Barry
set
out
the
first
gateway
being
completely
outlined
and
the
tier
one
documents
are
site
by
Frameworks.
The
majority
of
delivery
will
be
through
this.
There
are
other
elements
which
can
come
forward
outside
of
it.
There
are
separate
applications
which
we
can
cover
this
evening
which
enabling
Works
outside
of
the
main
key
phase,
but
the
main
piece
of
work
now
that
the
sitewise
have
been
submitted
for
the
design
team
has
been
developing
the
key
phase.
E
So
that's
Suite
of
documents
with
sort
of
technically
termed
tier
two
is
really
adding
greater
definition
of
the
areas
which
you
wish
to
start
the
detail
of
what
you
wish
to
do
in
that
area
in
the
winter
phase,
slowly
eating
the
detail
as
you
go
through
recognizing
the
scale
of
the
scheme,
so
the
key
phase
documentation
being
produced
at
the
moment
sets
a
definition
of
what
the
first
phase
might
be,
which
is
up
to
1
200
units
where
it
would
be
in
terms
of
defining
its
location,
starting
both
in
the
East
and
the
West.
I.
E
E
It
also
works
through
a
lot
of
the
technical
details.
So
a
lot
of
work
at
the
moment
now
we
have
statutory
Partners
to
understand
areas
around
this
area
is
saying
drainage
and
further
analysis
and
there's
also
key
documents
in
terms
of
establishing
the
quality
of
what's
to
come
forward
so
developing
the
regulatory
framework
in
terms
of
areas
and
uses
and
then
have
you
design
code,
which
then
codes
to
that
regulation
framework.
E
The
elements
key
for
ourselves
would
be
the
Open
Spaces,
the
multifunctional
Green
Space,
the
roads,
the
the
drainage
developing
the
development
platform
to
house
builders.
So
those
those
are
the
packages
which
you're
also
beginning
to
work.
The
detail
in
many
ways
we
are
having
to
look
at
Reserve
match
level
of
detail
to
inform
the
tier
two,
because
in
many
ways
you
need
to
go
a
little
further
to
understand
and
test
your
Solutions,
so
that
that's
happening
intend
turning
to
other
applications.
E
So
recognizing
that,
in
addition
to
the
key
phase,
of
course,
we
want
to
start
on
site.
We
are
able
to
start
on
site
with
the
site
access
Junctions,
which
were
approved
in
detail,
we're
also
in
the
process
of
developing
Reserve
matters
Associated
to
those
Junctions
around
levels
of
drainage
and
we've
also
submitted
new
applications
for
construction
access
in
two
locations,
one
at
the
north
of
Rome
Road
and
one
at
REM
way,
and
we
can
also
utilize
the
permanent
access
along
working
Road
as
a
third
access
for
construction
and
with
those
free
access
points.
E
We
can
functionally
separate
the
construction
traffic
from
both
existing
and
developed
areas
by
using
the
private
road
Network,
so
that
application
was
submitted
earlier
this
year,
also
and
I
think
I
think
on
planning
that
probably
covers
where
we're
at
the
moment
and
I.
Think
Barry
is
also
just
in
terms
of
works
on
site
we're
on
site
at
the
moment,
with
vegetation
clearance
and
we've
been
on
site
early
in
the
year
with
with
surveys.
Working
we'll
continue
to
be
on
site.
With,
with
a
myriad
of
survey,
requirements
that'll
pass
by.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I
enjoyed
your
remark
about
you,
adding
color
to
what
John
Isaac
said.
Other
noises
about
Jonah
Isaac
I'm,
as
always,
I
go
back
to
the
Country
Park,
because
I
also
appreciate
we
love
to
see
infrastructure
first
in
this
Council
we've
always
wanted
to
say
it.
We
always
desperately
trying
to
achieve
it.
G
We
normally
don't
quite
make
it,
but
we
like
to
say
it
and
believe
in
it
and
I
get
you
can't
build
a
school
until
you've
got
houses
with
children
in
them,
because
there's
no
point
having
a
school,
but
the
country
Park's
slightly
different,
because
I
mean
I.
Remember
when
Kemp
shot
you
remember
rolled
down
when
it
was
a
field
with
Twigs
in
it,
and
then
I
did
the
other
side
of
basin.
So
you
go
there
sort
of
10
years
later
and
now
it's
quite
an
amazing
relaxing
kind
of
little
hiding
place.
G
You
can
go
to
and
enjoy
living
in
the
countryside,
even
though
actually
you're,
right
by
the
a30
and
I,
think
we
have
a
similar,
although
larger
vision
for
the
country
Park,
but
it's
a
risk
that
people
will
move
in
next
to
a
field
of
Twix
I
appreciate,
there's
some
trees
there.
There
is
no
reason
why
we
aren't
planting
trees
there
now
because
we
know
exactly
where
it's
going
to
be.
Even
if
there's
a
major
problem
with
the
meditown
company
and
we
decide,
we
can't
go
ahead
because
we
can't
get
the
land
at
a
viable
value.
G
We've
still
got
a
969
years
left
on
our
lease
for
that
piece
of
land.
It's
we
can
plan
what
we
like
there
and
use
it
for
what
we
like.
Where
are
we
with
that?
Why
isn't
that
progressing
at
the
fastest
possible
rate,
so
it
gets
established.
Nature
can
return.
We've
lost
some
head
roads.
We
want
to
get
the
replace
those
and
yeah
and
I
still
have
concerns
about
most
country.
Parks
super
the
County
Council
I'm,
still
not
clear
what
the
management
plan
is,
but
once
you
guys
have
done
your
stuff
made,
it
look.
G
Wonderful
and
beautiful
that
then
someone's
gonna
look
after
it
and
I
could
see
two
councils
fighting
over.
That's
not
our
responsibility
and
the
other
thing.
I
was
a
little
bit
concerned
and
perhaps
a
bit
of
clarity
on
the
the
working
Road
access,
because
the
a339
is
a
beautiful
piece
of
road
you
can
drive
base
instead
of
the
middle
base,
is
over
70
miles
an
hour
and
it's
lovely
and
lorries
can
cope
with
it.
G
G
If
you're
driving
through
there
they're
just
quite
precious
I'm
sure
Diane,
will
add
more
to
that,
but
I'm
just
a
bit
worried
about
where
that
fits
in
and
how
we're
going
to
control
that
as
a
sort
of
Last,
Resort
kind
of
that's
where
your
plumber
can
go
in
his
van.
But
we
don't
want
big
lorries
going
down
working
road.
So
those
a
couple
of
starting
points
for
you.
E
Well,
I'll,
let
you
vary
and
let
you
explain
the
routing
plan
and
how
it
works.
So,
coming
back
to
the
the
countryside,
Park
as
I
like
to
call
it
dealing
with
the
designation
point
and
trying
to
explain
that
it's
not
a
designated
Capital
C
capital,
P,
Country
Park.
In
that
sense,
we
can
agree
more
that
this
park
actually
is
all
the
principles
of
green
spaces
and
their
maturity
is
very
important.
I
think
what
we.
E
Is
a
massive
in
down
what
we
have
with
this
Countryside
Park,
it's
250,
Acres
of
which
almost
half
it
is
already
wooded
and
that
Woodland
isn't
new
planting
in
the
hole
it's
ancient
Woodland
already
it's
protecting
it
managing
it
will
be
the
key
and
when
it
comes
to
new
planting,
I
can't
claim
any
any
any
role
in
this
there's
been
Jubilee
Woodlands.
There
has
been
a
lot
of
new
planting
that
it's
part
about
creating
a
visual
break
from
the
area
of
outstanding
natural
beauty
and
the
scheme
itself.
E
So
there
is
a
very
established
planted
line
between
the
two.
So
our
our
vision
in
the
countryside,
part
development.
Brief-
is
less
about
adding
to
Woodlands,
because
in
many
ways
in
terms
of
that
sort
of
Pastiche
of
uses,
it's
about
developing
the
arable
elements
into
short
grasslands
in
terrible
flower
reserves,
Etc,
so
creating
a
balance,
serves
an
immunity
and
different
uses
and
experiences.
When.
E
F
Thank
you
to
now
picking
up
your
second
limb,
councilor
James
in
relation
to
the
construction,
routine,
you're
right
I
think
you
described
the
a339
as
a
beautiful
bit
of
infrastructure,
and
it
it
is
beautiful
Road
and
it's
and
it's
an
accessible
Road
for
for
for
construction
traffic,
and
that
is
the
route
that
the
construction
strategy
and
the
construction
routine
identifies.
Whether
you're
coming
along
the
Ring,
Road
or
you're
coming
from
Motorway
you,
you
would
use
that
route
to
get
to
the
surrounds
of
the
money
down
sides
now.
F
Now,
what
we
need
to
do
the
idea
of
separating
those
putting
two
of
those
construction
access
Junctions
in
is
that
we
can
separate
the
construction
axis
from
any
residential
movement
on
the
site
and
when
we
can
connect
the
Roman
way
Junction
through
the
sites
to
serve
the
development
in
the
west,
then
there'll
be
no
need
to
track
any
construction
vehicles
down
through
working
through
the
roundabout
through
working
Village
and
in
the
new
site
access
Junction.
Clearly
that
takes
a
bit
of
time.
We've
got
to
break
Green
Lane.
F
There's
there's
bits
on
site
that
we
need
to
manage.
So
in
the
in
the
short
term,
there
is,
and
it's
always
been
established-
that
we
can
use
that
construct
the
the
main
site,
access
on
working
roads
as
a
short-term
measure
to
feed
that
first,
that
key
phase
elements,
but
as
soon
as
the
AF,
assuming
that
the
construction
access,
Junction
applications
are
successful
and
the
reserve
matter,
the
follow-on
reserve
matters
for
the
whole
road
on
the
sides.
E
I'll
I'll
pick
that
up
if
I
may
so
again
as
it's
not
a
a
country
Park
in
the
designated
sense.
This
is
actually
another
part
of
many
down
development
which
the
partnership
is
to
manage.
So
in
first
instance,
and
there
we're
talking
about
a
time
frame
of
over
a
decade,
the
original
management
of
all
assets
would
be
the
countryside
park
or
the
or
the
open
space
on
the
development
or
the
community.
Buildings
is
actually
within
the
hands
of
the
partnership.
E
Our
thinking
is
that
this
will
therefore
be
developed
separately
to
the
rest
of
the
scheme,
so
a
separate
management
company
for
this
element
or
all
mechanism
for
this
element
recognizing
as
distinctness
from
the
housing
over
time,
I
think
once
this
is
bedded
in
in
a
decades
time
that
the
park
has
established
that
our
Hub
is
working
or
Revenue
opportunities
are
developed
and
we've.
And
this-
and
this
is-
is
a
state
as
we
like
to
think
of
it
is
operational.
We
will
look
at
longer
term
Solutions
as
I
in
perpetuity.
E
G
Oh
so
it
it
sort
of
answers
the
point
and
I
get.
You
know
if
you're
going
to
charge
for
parking
and
you've
got
one
or
two
buildings
in
that
you
can
there's
Conference
Centers
business
meetings
Etc
if
you've
got
a
good
management
company,
it
kind
of
makes
its
own.
It
covers
its
own
cost,
but
then
you
have
a
storm
and
it
takes
down
an
awful
lot
of
trees
and
they
all
fall
down.
Now.
G
What
I
don't
want
to
say
because
I
appreciate
for
the
next
10
years,
it's
safe
in
your
hands,
I'm,
really
hoping
and
my
electorate
may
have
a
different
view,
we'll
find
out
mate
that
I
will
still
be
around
Beyond
10
years
and
still-
and
people
might
hold
me
for
account
for
seeing
on
his
committee
and
not
looking
after
the
future
of
the
countryside,
Park
I,
just
who
is
ultimately
responsible.
If
there
is
a
storm,
the
trees
come
down,
the
paths
are
blocked,
takes
away,
cable
or
whatever
something
needs
to
be
done.
G
There's
a
wild
animal,
that's
moved
into
the
site
and
not
an
appropriate
wild
animal
and
someone
needs
to
sort
it
out
where,
where
who's,
who
does
that
sit
with
because
private
lands
you
go
to
the
landlord
Borough
land,
you
go
to
the
borough,
County
Land,
you
go
to
the
county
Countryside
park
because
everyone
on
every
piece
of
land
is
owned.
Isn't
it
by
somebody
somebody's
responsible
for
it
somewhere
who's
responsible
and
is
it
us.
E
In
terms
of
responsibility
in
the
from
henceforth
it's
the
partnership,
so
it
is
with
the
partnership
until
such
time
as
a
new
management
structure
has
decided
the
process
for
that
management
structure
in
the
future.
Changing
is
actually
a
process
under
the
agreements
around
the
LPA
approving
such
transfer,
and
in
that
moment
of
time,
if
it
is
a
long-term
land
stewardship
company
which
comes
in
and
takes
over
the
governance
role
as
I
say
the
operational
funding
Etc
there,
then
they
would
become
responsible,
but
for
the
foreseeable
future
it
remains
departure.
B
Okay,
okay
I
just
could
perhaps
add
that
it
is,
as
David
says,
all
about
the
governance
and
making
sure
we've
got
the
right
set
up
there.
The
right
funding,
the
right
sort
of
organization,
but
thinking
as
as
a
council,
we
we
it's
not
management
of
that
direct
management
of
the
countryside.
Park
is
not
something
that
we
look
to
be
doing
in
the
future,
and
I
can
also
I.
Think
I'm.
Writing
saying
that.
B
As
far
as
the
count
is
concerned,
they
have
no
desire
to
be
running.
The
countryside.
Park
in
counties
in
County
terms
is
relatively
small,
and
so
it
would
not
be
something
that
they
would.
They
would
and
and
I
think
they've
confirmed
as
much
haven't
they
that's
not
something
that
they
they
would
have
aspirations
or
feel
it's
their
responsibility
to
be
running
in
the
future.
A
I
I
E
I
I
cast
only,
we
can
assure
you
we're
talking
to
the
local
planning,
Authority
I
think
in
particular
on
the
point
of
projections
of
a
number
of
houses
sold
or
absorption.
As
we'd
say,
that
is
something
I
think
mobile
Council
officer
colleagues
deal
with
animal
cells,
so
the
idea
here
is
1200
years
might
be
in
a
planning
phase.
E
So
that's
a
level
of
detail
brought
forward
for
the
Practical
delivery
will
be
parcel
by
parcel
when
we
have
the
more
Parcels
we
have
delivering
the
more
the
sales
rate
usually
achieved
so
in
the
first
years,
say
you're
starting
two
places
with
two
Parcels
on
each
front.
The
absorption
might
be
quite
low
because
you
might
only
have
completed
X
units
sold
at
the
year.
E
So
I
think
the
projections
recognize
an
early
stepping
in
really
50
units
150
units
Etc
until
we
get
to
a
run
rate,
so
we've
got
a
projection
in
there
using
experiences
on
other
large
sites
and
how
long
we
think
it
will
take
it
isn't
day,
one
okay,
it's
300
units
a
year,
but
it
does
get
to
a
steady
state
induced,
of
course,
and
I.
Think
those
are
the
numbers
which
are
reflected
by
colleagues.
H
D
What
we've
undertaken
to
do
is
just
for
the
next
six
months,
enter
into
an
arrangement
with
many
of
them
coming
just
as
short-term
farm
the
land,
because
whilst
we
can
still
get
on
and
do
work,
there's
vast
areas
that
are
lying
fallow.
So
actually,
but
it's
some
use
at
the
moment.
Whilst
we're
still
in
this
process
of
a
negotiation,
it
doesn't
prevent
us
or
Urban.
D
Site
doing
works
so
that
that
is
provisioned
within
the
the
license
structure
so
that
at
least
we
are
producing
all
the
land
is
still
producing
and
it's
being
utilized
at
the
moment.
So
that's
the
the
same.
The
sort
of
more
medium
longer
term
I
think
is
yet
to
be
really
defined.
We've
had
conversations
between
the
parties
to
just
understand
what
could
be
possible,
but
as
yet,
we've
not
made
any
or
set
out
any
principles
to
what
we
would
do.
J
J
I
know
that
that
was
only
sort
of
temporary
works,
but
it
it
does
raise
the
question
around
when
we
do
break
in
at
that
point,
that
there
will
be
a
requirement
to
control
the
traffic
and
how
can
either
we
as
a
council,
you
as
a
development
partner,
mitigate
that
in
the
surrounding
areas,
some
examples
of
of
what
was
happening.
We
had
rat
running
through
Furs,
which
I've
mentioned
before
avoiding
kind
of
the
cue
Itself.
J
By
going
up
one
side
of
Kenilworth
Road
and
coming
out
the
other
side,
so
that
you
kind
of
essentially
hop
the
queue
a
little
bit,
but
worst
of
all,
we've
also
seen
three-point
turns
happening
into
oncoming
traffic.
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
try
and
prevent
something
happening
at
that
point,
when
we
do
break
into
winkleberry
way,
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
way
to
solve
it.
You
know
for
the
surrounding
areas,
but
it'd
be
be
good.
If
we
can
have
some
discussion
around
that.
F
F
Maybe
traffic
lights
went
up
at
9
30
and
they
were
down
by
1
30.
So
it
was
a
really
condensed
bit
of
work.
You
can
traffic
got
on
with
it
efficiently
that
they
weren't
there
for
a
minute
longer
than
it
needed
to
be
looking
forward.
I
I
would
welcome
meetings
with
you
and
and
any
of
the
representatives
from
winklebury
to
work
through
when
we
have
a
Contractor
on
board.
F
So
we
have
a
point
when
we
appoint
a
contractor-
and
we
know
their
program
and
intended
sequence
of
Works
to
then
sit
there
and
have
a
working
committee
effectively
and
say:
where
are
the
pinch
points?
Where
are
the
concerns
where's,
the
local
knowledge
that
you
know
that
they're
going
to
wrap
around
from
A
to
B?
How
can
we?
How
can
we
help
you
help
us
prevent
that
so
I?
Don't
have
all
the
answers
today
and
I
think
that
it's
it's
almost
a
kind
of,
as
I
said,
a
working
group
with
the
contractors
experience.
F
I
You
chair
Andrew,
really
it
was
the
question
and
obviously
in
the
report
about
starting
up
or
increasing
I,
think
I
was
reading
starting
up
farming
or
allowing
it
to
go
for
agriculture.
Use
can
I
just
make
a
request
that
a
lot
of
effort
is
spent
on
the
pr
side
of
that,
because
once
people
start
seeing
farming
on
the
medie
downfields,
we
are
going
to
be
inundated
with
things
that
we
need
to
deal
with.
I
D
Yeah,
so
just
in
terms
of
the
first
point-
yes,
we
are
producing
some
messaging
I've
already
spoken
with
comms
team,
so
Sarah
is
Sarah
and
I
are
just
reviewing
that
messaging,
because
I
appreciate
there
will
be
some
commentary.
People
thinking
well
what's
happening,
so
we
want
to
be
clear
that
this
is
temporary
and
actually
you
know
it's
important
to
make
use
of
land
that
isn't
being
used.
So
I
think
that
there's
some
positive
messages
in
there.
D
But,
as
you
say,
we
will
get
some
questions
being
raised
and
I
apprecially
saying
I
raised
the
same
question,
so
we
we
will
be
we'll
be
preparing
those
and
making
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
what
what
what
is
going
on
the
the
second
point
in
terms
of
the
the
the
way
the
option
works.
So,
yes,
we
have
a
999
year
lease
which
has
an
option
contained
in
it.
I
D
J
All
right,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
go
back
again
to
site
entrance.
You
know
opening
up
David.
We
met
a
few
weeks
ago
now,
with
councilor
Compton
Burnett.
There
was
talk
of
going
into
the
site
using
the
existing
Farm
entrance
initially,
because
there's
got
to
be
a
way
of
opening
up
the
site
without
those
any
site
entrances
happening.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Council
Lee,
of
course,
there's
a
number
of
public
rights
away
that
cross
the
site
and
there's
a
complicated
bit
of
legislation,
so
I'm
told
from
our
planning
advisors
where
we
can
divert
and
relocate
those
public
rights
away
in
the
short
term
to
protect
safety
and
fundamentally
it's
much
much
more
complicated.
F
If
you
want
to
stop
them
up
and
completely
prevent,
you
can
do
for
a
short
period
of
time
again
for
safety
reasons,
but
we
would
look
to
maintain
as
far
as
possible
all
of
the
public
rights
away
through
the
site.
We
will
need
to
divert.
There
may
be
some
temporary
stopping
up
for
days
or
weeks,
but
we
will
look
to
maintain
access
across
the
site
as
far
as
we
can
throughout
the
whole,
build.
C
Thank
You
Cher,
it's
my
first
meeting,
so
forgive
the
ignorance.
We
entered
into
an
agreement
in
February
1996
that
was
a
year
after
I
was
born
I'm.
Now
a
full
counselor,
I'm
old
I
have
a
I,
have
a
pension
and
everything
what
is
taking
so
long.
You,
you
said
it's
taking
longer
than
expected.
Was
this
expected
this
this
length
of
time
frame?
Where,
when
are
we
talking
when,
when
do
we
expect
it
to
finish?
Is
it
is
it
before
you
retire
or
before
I
retire
before
my
kids
retire,
like
I
I?
B
B
The
administration
had
changed
before
Gavin
tells
me
jumps
in
and
says
anything
about
that,
so
the
politics
got
involved
had
become
involved
in
this,
and
so
they
decided
that
it
was
necessary
to
go
to
to
to
the
high
court
in
order
to
get
a
determination
on
whether
the
land
had
to
be
properly
developed,
and
they
were
successful
in
in
the
high
court
and
I
think
was.
Was
it
2015?
Was
that
14
yeah
14
okay?
But
that
sort
of
time?
B
B
E
Take
the
bat
and
give
them
the
time
France
we're
talking
about
there.
I'd
say
that
obviously
now
we're
at
a
point
where
we're
starting
shortly
in
comparison
to
1996.,
but
we
still
have
to
recognize
that
this
is
a
larger
Urban
extension
with
three
and
a
half
hours
of
homes,
and
it
will
take
time
to
deliver
the
scheme
that
it
can't
all
be
built
at
once.
It's
not
economic
and
people
will
not
be
there
to
buy
them
in
the
market.
E
So
my
our
best
estimate
the
moment
will
be
that
the
process
I
say
is
up
to
15
years
from
the
moment.
We
start
in
earnest
front
end
with
a
year
or
two
or
two
years
at
least
of
infrastructure,
before
you're,
looking
at
your
first
occupations
of
people
moving
into
manidown
and
thereafter
about
12
years
13
years,
depending
on
the
absorption
rates
over
time
with
homes
and
delivery.
Now
that
recognizes
that
will
go
for
periods
of
economic,
Ebbs
and
flows,
which
is
what
we're
used
to
on
most
of
our
strategic
sites.
C
B
Would
not
be
wise
to
be
discussing
this
in
public?
No,
no,
no
I'm,
not
even
going
to
do
that.
Actually,
yeah
I'm
saying
thank
you
for
the
info.
Oh
no!
No!
No!
No!
This!
This
has
got
to
be
assorted
quite
soon
and
I'm.
I'm,
Keen
I
know
I'm
I'm
sure
that
all
parties
involved
in
this
want
to
to
to
reach
a
satisfactory
conclusion.
B
Why
wouldn't
they
The
Mindy
down
company
wants,
wants
to
achieve
its
objectives,
I'm
sure
and
and
and
obtain
a
a
suitable
sum,
and
we
we
want
we're
happy
to
pay
a
suitable
sum
alongside
the
county
and
and
our
partners,
but
it's
how
what
that
suitable
Psalm
is.
That
is
the
key
and
I
I.
Certainly
do
don't
want
to
do
anything
here
to
compromise
the
negotiations
that
are
going
on
at
the
moment,
and
you
can
understand
that
yeah.
A
J
Don't
worry,
sir
same
comment:
I
made,
in
fact,
I
was
just
starting
secondary
school
at
the
time
when
it
was
booked,
but
I
guess
it
really
took
to
to
follow
on
and
more
for
councilor
Howard's
roles
benefit
is.
How
are
we
going
to
look
to
many
down
south
because
that
that
just
covers
them
any
down
North
element
of
it
with
Urban
and
Civic
to
make
sure
that
in
50
60
odd
years,
we're
not
somebody's
not
having
the
same
sort
of
conversation
again.
B
Very
good
point,
and
it's
something
that
we:
how
we
could
we
ask:
we
have
spent
time
on
and
continue
to
spend
time
on.
We've
got
to
learn
lessons
from
this:
the
positives
and
the
negatives
and
and
but
but
the
objective
must
be
to
that.
We
we
do
it
in
a
way
that
make
sure
that
we
build
good,
a
good
good
communities,
good
homes
and-
and
we
do
it
in
a
viable
way
and
I'm
sure
we
can
do
that,
whether
I'm
sure
it
will
be
different.
J
G
I
think,
once
the
process
has
started
in
terms
of
the
land
drawdown,
you
kind
of
set
a
marker,
and
then
negotiations
become
a
little
bit
easier
because
you've
got
that
marker
down
there.
So
I
think
it
is
always
the
first
slice
that
that's
the
hardest,
because
you
overpaid
for
the
First
Slice,
then
you're
stuck
with
a
viability
issue,
which
is
obviously
our
biggest
concern.
So.
A
But
when
it
comes
to
the
overall
planning
of
money
down
south,
it's
it's
it's
quite
different,
it's
quite
complex
because
we've
got
three
big
bits
of
land.
All
in
that
area.
We've
got
the
oakdown
farm
now,
which
is
at
the
moment
not
allocated
smv
land,
our
lands
in
many
Town
land,
and
we
don't
have
to
build
on
all
of
it
and
I
think
we're
just
looking
at
you
know:
people
in
the
council.
A
A
I
A
A
A
Thank
you
so,
as
as
the
gentleman
leave,
I
will
just
pass.
Ask
the
following
motion
to
be
passed:
that,
pursuant
to
section
184
of
the
Local
Government
Act
1972,
the
public
be
excluded
from
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
on
the
grounds
of
the
public
interest
in
maintaining
the
exemption,
outweighs
the
public
interest
in
disclosing
it,
and
therefore
that
exempt
information
is
likely
to
be
disclosed,
as
defined
in
paragraph
one
of
schedule,
12a
of
the
ACT
councilor
James.
Do
you
want
to
Second
my
motion?
Thank
you.
Very
much
motion
is
passed.