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A
Foreign
members,
Happy
New,
Year,
okay,
thank
you
right,
I'd,
just
like
to
to
to
crack
on,
because
we've
got
a
very,
very
full
agenda.
Tonight:
okay
I,
before
we,
we
kind
of
start
where
I
just
like
to
to
go
through
the
plan
for
tonight
and
and
various
timings,
okay
and
then
we'll
start
the
agenda
proper.
Okay,
so
I
know
I,
always
say
that
we
have
an
extremely
full
agenda,
but
tonight
I
think
you'll
agree.
A
We
really
do
okay
and
so
to
give
all
members
an
opportunity
to
comment,
I'll
be
restricting
members
to
uncomment
or
question
perception.
Okay,
and
if
members
have
asked
their
question
and
we
should
have
a
supplementary,
then
if
they
ask
me
if
I
have
time,
okay
I
will
happily
Grant
it.
Otherwise
we
will
need
to
move
on
okay
to
the
next
question
or
questioner.
A
If
we
run
out
of
the
allocated
time
for
that
section,
I'll
stop
the
questions
and
move
on
to
the
next
section.
At
the
end
of
each
section,
I'll
ask
members
if
there
are
any
recommendations
or
comments
for
the
portfolio
holder,
so
I
just
want
to
share
my
plan
for
tonight's
timings
with
the
committee.
So,
first
of
all,
with
the
annual
infrastructure
funding
statement.
Okay
I
want
to
Arcade
about
50
minutes
for
that
I
intend
to
go
through
the
paper
very
quickly,
starting
with
a
an
ultra
quick
introduction
from
the
portfolio
holder.
A
Okay,
so
then,
moving
on
to
the
the
AMR
okay
again,
I'd,
like
a
very
brief
introduction
from
the
portfolio
holder,
okay
and
then
looking
at
the
report
itself,
I
want
to
spend
a
few
minutes
looking
at
section
three,
the
key
considerations:
okay
before
actually
then
moving
on
to
the
AMR
proper
in
the
appendices,
and
for
that
for
that
I'll
have
basically
allocating
Circa
two
hours.
Okay.
A
A
No,
okay,
that's
great!
Okay!
Moving
on
to
decorations
of
interest.
Does
anybody
have
a
decoration
of
Interest?
They
wish
to
declare
no
okay,
so
they
can.
We
can
move
on
from
there.
Okay,
urgent
matters.
There
is
one
urgent
matter.
That's
been
brought
to
my
attention,
Okay
by
by
Council
Laura
James,
so
I'd
like
to
hand
over
to
her
very
quickly,
so
she
can
explain
exactly
what
the
Urgent
matter
is:
Council
James.
B
And
one's
been
lots
of
time
talking
about
it,
I
sent
it
all
around
to
you,
I
think
I
I
missed
Nick
and
I
apologize
to
that
I
didn't
realize
he
was
on
the
committee,
but
you've
all
seen
the
motion
before
you
and
as
after
speaking
to
your
chair,
you
talked
about
having
a
member's
meeting
for
this
on
reflection.
I
think
this
should
be
out
in
the
open,
and
it
should
be
part
of
this
committee
and
we'd
like
it
to
come
to
to
a
special
committee.
B
A
Thank
you,
Council
James
just
be
before
we
we
go
into
any
sort
of
motions.
Obviously,
we've
had
quite
a
lot
of
discussions
around
the
raw
potentially
a
number
of
options
and
I
would
just
like
the
committee
to
be
made
aware
of
those
options.
First,
okay,
for
for
consideration
and
for
that
I'd
like
to
hand
over
to
Ruth.
Okay,
if
you
can
explain
what
the
options
are,
as
you
see
them.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
just
looking
at
what
we
had
before
us
at
the
moment,
the
government
has
a
consultation
now
in
relation
to
draft
changes,
draft
proposals
to
the
nppf
that
closes
on
the
2nd
of
March
as
officers
we're
preparing
a
normal
member
briefing.
That's
a
written
briefing
that
goes
through
the
implications
of
that
those
government
proposals,
and
that
is
to
be
provided
in
writing
to
all
members.
So
you
will
always
be
receiving
an
all-member
briefing
from
officers
in
or
around
the
20th
of
January.
C
You
know
professional
officer,
planning,
officer,
interpretation
of
those
government
proposals
before
you,
you're,
also
going
to
all
be
able
to
receive
a
copy
of
the
draft
officers
prepared
responses
to
the
consultation
document,
which
is
what
we
would
be
with
the
portfolio
holder,
completing
and
submitting
in
line
with
the
2nd
of
March
consultation.
Response.
C
But
we're
also
proposing
in
relation
to
the
consultation
document.
Because
of
the
significance
of
the
proposals.
Is
we're
going
to
be
providing
or
creating
a
web
page
in
our
local
plan.
Part
of
council's
web
page,
where
we'll
be
able
to
publish
our
actual
consultation
response,
potentially
also
the
all
member
briefing.
If
we
have
agreement
from
that,
the
members
on
relation
to
that,
and
also
any
of
the
other
group
responses.
If
the
various
groups
across
the
council
wish
to
do
individual
responses,
we
can
also
publish
those.
C
So
then
that
can
be
completely
transparent
and
anyone
can
access.
You
know
examples
of
that.
What
we
do
do
as
well
when
we
have
government
consultations
is
more
often
than
not.
We
are
preparing
letters
for
the
leader
in
the
portfolio
holder
to
relevant
ministers,
either
drawing
to
their
attention
points
of
support
or
points
of
concern
in
relation
to
those
proposals,
those
letters
that
we
prepare
on
behalf,
you
know
that
will
be
going
from
either
the
leader
portfolio
holders,
group
leaders
or
all
group
leaders.
C
If
you
have
a
desire
to
have
that
sort
of
collaborative
letter,
we're
also
able
to
publish
those
on
that
same
web
page,
so
that
on
that
web
page,
there
would
be
copies
of
the
letters
that
are
submitted
to
central
government.
Our
consultation
response,
our
all
member
briefing
or,
and
any
other
other
responses
that
you
all
may
provide
that
you
all
may
feel
you
would
like
to
have
published
on
that
page,
we're
not
able
to
like
publish
Parish,
Council
responses
or
other
responses
that
are
from
people
as
individuals.
C
D
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
Ruth.
Just
touching
on
that
that
all
sounds
excellent
and
it
sounds
like
it's
a
great
idea
to
have
a
page
where
the
public
can
see
what
everybody
said,
but
I
suppose
the
what
I
took
from
the
email
that
we
received
from
Council
James
is
that
the
members
collectively
the
collective
members
views
are
taken
on
board
in
the
letters
that
are
submitted
to
dluck.
D
So,
whilst
I
hear
you
and
it's
wonderful
that
the
web
page
is
going
to
have
everybody's
submissions,
do
I
also
have
affirmation
from
you
that
the
letters
that
the
leader
and
or
cabinet
portfolio,
holder
and
or
chief
executive
will
incorporate
those
comments
made
by
the
members.
Or
will
they
be
separate.
C
It's
open
for
members
to
actually
advise
us
of
that.
What
I
mean
is
it's
open
potentially
for
there
to
be
a
single
letter
which
is
signed
by
all
group
leaders
that
has
all
of
the
areas
that
the
group
leaders
as
a
collective
can
agree
on
or
disa
or
you
might
be
in
agreement
on
the
things
that
you
disagree
on
in
relation
to
the
proposals
as
well.
So
that's
absolutely
open
to
you
as
members
to
be
able
to
you
know,
bring
that
together.
C
B
You
I
welcome
everything,
that's
been
done
and
that's
absolutely
amazing.
I
mean
I.
Think
that
we're
in
a
situation
I
mean
we
have
a
conservative
Administration
and
we
have
a
conservative
cabinet
and
leader
we're
in
a
no
overall
control.
As
a
council,
the
administration
can
listen,
but
I
think
it
would
be.
What
would
be
really
great
is
if
we
can
work
together
and
all
of
those
leaders
can
work
together
on
a
response.
So
what
we
need
is
all
of
that
work.
B
So
it's
not
asking
for
a
task
and
finish
panel,
because
I
realize
now,
after
speaking,
to
Stuart
that
that
isn't
possible
in
the
time
frame.
But
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
to
have
a
an
eph
meeting
that
fits
into
the
calendar
and
works
around
the
offices
producing
this
piece
of
work
that
we
can
all
discuss.
I
mean
before
the
meeting
started.
A
You
know
with
the
the
short
time
frame:
that's
around
okay,
I'm,
I'm
I'm,
quite
reluctant
to
to
actually
bring
forward
okay,
an
extra
meeting
purely
simply
I,
think
I
I've
I've
tried
to
negotiate
openness
and
transparency
and
I
think
there
will
be
an
awful
lot,
potentially
an
awful
disagreement
between
the
various
political
parties,
which
is
why
you
know,
because
the
the
the
actual
consultation
is
open
to
everybody.
That
I
was
thinking.
Maybe
okay
groups
would
like
to
do
an
individual
submission.
A
A
Hold
on
please
thank
you,
okay,
but
I.
I,
just
think
that
a
motion
to
have
a
an
extra
meeting
of
eph-
okay,
where,
where
we
discuss
a
draft
consultation,
I
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sure
what
we
that
will
achieve
over
and
above
what
we
were
already.
You
know
we
we
have
now
before
we
go
any
further.
I
know
that
councilor
Ganesh
would
like
to
say
a
few
words.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think,
so
we
got
to
a
point
where
we
have
to
work
collectively,
as
groups
and
communities
to
come
up
with
a
way
forward.
For
this
I
completely
understand
that
we,
you
would
like
to
have
some
sort
of
an
input
towards
the
final
responses,
but
considering
the
time
strains
and
the
sort
of
a
deadline
for
with
d
luck
it.
F
Oh,
thank
you
in
response
to
that
I
think
I,
don't
understand
the
constraints
of
having
another
meeting.
We're
counselors
generally
can
be
found
available.
I,
don't
see
it's
a
big,
Challenge
and
I
think
the
most
important
thing
is
to
get
a
consensus
and
get
it
done
in
an
open
Forum,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
audience
that
borrow
borrow
wide,
who
are
picking
up
on
this
and
want
to
see
that
we
actually
don't
end
up
bickering
that
we
actually
for
once.
F
This
is
a
very,
very
important
matter
and
indeed
a
great
opportunity
from
what
I'm
reading
in
the
proposals
on
the
bill
that
we
mustn't
get
wrong
and
we
must
all
agree.
We
move
forward
and
I
have
to
say
that
would
make
life
of
everybody
a
lot
lot
easier
in
our
new
local
plan,
so
so
I'm
happy
to
Second
this
motion.
If,
if
we
get
to
that,
but
that's
my
reason,
I
don't
actually
see
there
are
great
obstacles.
Thank
you.
A
B
We
request
a
full
and
detailed
report
is
prepared,
providing
the
analysis
of
the
Department
of
for
leveling
up
housing
and
communities
recently
published
consultation
on
future
planning
policy
and
legislation
that
this
is
shared
with
all
members.
We
want
to
understand
the
implications
for
business
token
Dean,
so
that
the
best
decisions
can
be
made
in
the
interest
of
our
residents.
We
want
to
see
a
consultation
response
prepared
with
members
views
taken
on
board
and
we
recommend
that
a
special
eph
meeting
is
scheduled
to
assist
the
cabinet
member
in
drafting
a
consultation
response
to
d
e
d.
B
L.
U
h
c
on
behalf
of
business
token
D
and
speaking
to
the
motion.
If
I
can
just
say
chair,
you
said
that
there
would
be
there
would
be
very
many
differences
and-
and
there
would
be
no-
you
know
and
clearly
I
didn't
think
there
would
be,
and
so
I'm
a
bit
concerned
that
there
are
going
to
be
those
sort
of
differences,
political
differences
and
if
there
are
I
suppose
what
we
need
to
do
in
in
your
response
is
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
air
those
I.
Think
if
the.
B
If
what
you're
saying
is
they're
going
to
be
very
different,
we
need
to
come
together
to
hear
those
responses.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
long
meeting.
We're
going
to
have
to
if
what
was
being
proposed
by
Ruth
was
lots
of
meetings,
separate
meetings,
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
and
what
we
really
need
to
do
as
a
process
is
be
open
and
transparent,
and
we
need
to
see
that
and
we
need
to
show
members
of
the
public.
B
A
B
A
I
understand
that
councilor
James
well
I'm
before
we
actually
go
to
a
formal
vote,
I'm
just
trying
to
see
whether
we
can
actually
get
agreement.
Okay
to
the
the
meeting,
just
through
a
consensus.
That's
all
I'm
trying
to
do.
Okay,
I
appreciate
you've
got
your
motion.
I
appreciate
it's
been
formally
seconded,
but
I'm
just
wondering
whether
before
actually
going
to
a
vote,
we
actually
can
get
some
some
consensus.
A
So
just
a
quick
show
of
hands
who's
who's
for
the
the
meeting
at
eph,
one,
two,
three,
four:
five:
six:
seven,
eight,
nine!
Ten!
Okay,
that's
that's
unanimous!
So
we
don't
need
the
motion.
Okay.
So,
with
your
agreement,
councilor,
James,
okay,
we
will
just
go
for
the
unanimous
okay
moving
now.
What
we'll
need
to
do
is
Ruth.
Are
you
in
your
office
is
able
to
come
back
to
us
over
the
next
couple
of
days
with
with
some
dates?
Okay,
for
this,
this
meeting.
A
Yeah
I
I
I
I,
basically
I'm
I'm,
agreeing
with
you.
Okay,
we've
got
okay,
councilor
James;
okay,
we'll
do
a
formal
vote;
okay,
but
for
those
okay,
we've
had
the
motion.
We
know
what
the
motion
says
that
we
have
an
emergency
meeting
of
eph.
Okay,
it's
been
seconded
okay,
who's
in
agreement;
one
two,
three:
four:
five:
six:
seven,
eight
nine
ten
eleven
of
us
okay.
So
therefore
the
motion
is
carried
formally.
Okay.
A
So
therefore
Ruth,
if
you
can
just
come
back
to
us
and
and
come
back
to
the
committee,
okay
on
a
date
for
the
the
meeting
that
will
be
super.
Thank
you
right.
Okay,
so
that's!
Is
there
any
other
urgent
matter?
Okay,
no!
Okay!
Let's
move
on
so
then
we'll
have
a
look
at
the
meeting.
The
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
3rd
of
November
I
I
have
the
the
minutes
here.
Okay,
does
anybody?
A
Has
anybody
read
them
and
seen
any
inaccuracies?
Okay
within
the
minutes,
or
can
I
move
that
they're
signed?
Okay,
so
I'll
move
from
the
chair
that
they're
an
accurate
record?
Okay,
councilor
kinesco!
Thank
you
very
much
for
seconding
it
and
we'll
get
those
those
done.
Okay!
So
then,
moving
on
to
the
annual
infrastructure
funding
statement,
okay,
section
number:
five:
okay,
I'd
like
to
move
to
the
portfolio
holder
for
a
very
quick
introduction.
Please.
E
Thank
you
chair
good
evening
committee.
We've
got
the
annual
infrastructure
funding
statement
in
front
of
us,
which
is
a
statutory
document
that
council
is
required
to
submit
or
produce
annually,
and
it's
usually
published
every
December.
The
report
covers
the
section
106
agreements
and
the
community
infrastructure
Levy
that
sets
up
how
much
funding
we've
secured
and
how
it
was
spent
during
the
the
last
Financial
year.
The
report
goes
beyond
the
minimum
statutory
requirements
to
demonstrate
and
promote
the
ways
that
section
106
funding
has
been
used
with
the
use
of
case
studies.
E
This
shows
how
officers
have
worked
with
members
and
local
communities
to
deliver
a
new
and
improved
facilities
across
the
borough.
Rupert
also
highlight
that
the
amount
of
silk
Revenue
received
in
2021-22
was
significantly
higher
than
in
previous
years,
and
that
amount
of
strategy
still
that
come
to
the
council
has
spent
on
infrastructure
is
increasing.
The
council
has
not
yet
spent
any
of
the
Strategic
sale
and
officers
are
now
working
on
a
process
to
prioritize
the
spend.
E
A
F
Certainly
as
a
war
council
was
never
engaged
in
the
construction
of
this
section,
106
and
I
understood
that
we
had
a
flowchart
of
how
we
would
be
engaged.
I
I
noticed
councilor
Robinson,
obviously
is
now
on
the
team
I
throw
that
question
and
see
whether
he
was
also
engaged
but
I,
don't
believe,
we've
been
engaged
so
I
think
that's
quite
a
mission,
so
I'd,
like
some
understanding
as
to
why
thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
counciloratory
I,
think
we'll
just
say:
we
need
to
take
that
away
and
look
at
actually
what
process
we
followed
around
that
that
section
106,
because
you
know
like
you're
unaware
of
the
flowchart
and
the
stage
at
which
members
should
be
involved
in
that
process.
So
so
I
could
possibly,
ladies,
but
I
can
even
translate
with
colleagues
in
development
management
section
to
try
and
plan
a
bit
more
of
the
story
around
that.
For
you,
foreign.
H
G
We're
going
through
the
process
at
the
moment
of
working
out
a
strategy
for
how
sales
should
be
spent
and
where
it's
sort
of
and
I
appreciate.
There
was
some
some
initial
discussions.
Remember
members
about
this
in
in
2018
and
we're
taking
on
board
what
was
discussed
at
the
time,
but
also
working
looking
at
best
practice
with
a
planning
advisory
service.
G
G
Obviously,
that
section
doesn't
exist
because
we
haven't
spent
any
any
sale,
but
we,
the
next
next
year,
potentially
in
subsequent
years,
I'll,
expect
this
to
have
a
lot
more
detail
in
it
about
seal,
spend
in
terms
of
the
accounting
for
the
parishes
when
the
neighborhood
neighbor
portion
is
passed
to
the
parishes.
There's
a
requirements
upon
them
to
produce
their
information
about
how
that
still
Revenue
was
spent
foreign.
I
Paragraph
1.3
mentions
that
we've
got
over
1.6
million
in
the
still
account
now
and
we
haven't
spent
any
of
it.
Officers
have
mentioned
that
there's
a
strategy
has
been
developed
as
to
how
we
spend
that.
What
what
is
the?
What
are
the
time
scales
on
that?
Given
we've
obviously
got
quite
a
lot
of
money
in
the
bank
and
some
quite
urgent
infrastructure
needs
in
our
Borough.
G
I
think
it's
possibly
too
early
to
commit
to
a
time
scale.
So
certainly
I'm
aware
of
the
decisions
around
the
Capital
funding
strategy
are
made,
I
mean
in
Autumn
each
year,
and
that
would
be
an
opportunity
to
align
that
that
decision-making
process.
But
clearly
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
move
us
forward
as
quickly
as
we
can
and
put
missions
in
place
as
quickly
as
possible.
D
G
Well,
the
infrastructure
delivery
plan
is
reflection
of
the
local
plan
updates
growth
strategy.
So
it
needs
to
be
informed
by
understanding
of
what
the
growth
strategy
and
local
Planet
update
will
be
so
I'd
envisage
that
as
the
work
on
the
local
pen
update
moves
forward,
we'll
be
having
discussions
with
infrastructure
providers
about
what
needs
and
visitors
increase
in
population
would
require
and
and
use
that
to
populate
and
develop
further
infrastructure
delivery
plan
that
we
could.
We
could
share
share
with
you.
Success.
D
D
G
Yeah
I
mean
it's.
Certainly,
the
ivps
is
a
rolling
document
because,
as
new
pieces
of
evidence-based
identify
needs
come
forward
that
will
refine
what's
put
on
put
on
the
strategy,
but
certainly
you
wouldn't
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
Each
time
it
was
done,
you'd
be
looking
forward
to
take
it
Forward
and
update
it
to
affect
the
kinds
of
circumstances.
J
J
J
How
can
we
account
for
that
discrepancy
and
what's
been
done
to
collect
silk
payments,
because
it
would
appear
that
we've
got
developers
that
are
not
paying
on
demand
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
long
it
takes
between
the
Demand
Being
issued
and
people
being
paid,
and
whether
this
is
something
that
will
just
be
you
know,
eventually
it
will
come
through
in
the
fullest
of
time
or
whether
they're
just
not
paying
them.
When
we
ask
what
what
are
we
doing
about
such
cases,.
K
So
I
think
the
short
answer
is
that,
yes,
it
will
catch
up
as
as
time
goes
forward.
So,
given
that
this,
the
statement
actually
looks
at
an
artificial
cutoff
date
of
the
31st
of
March
last
year
for
those
demand
notices
that
were
given
in
the
latter
part
of
the
last
Financial
year,
it
would
be
expected
that
the
actual
payment
of
those
might
follow
in
the
following
Financial
year,
especially
for
the
larger
sites,
where
we've
got
the
sale,
installment
policy
that
allows
those
sums
to
become
forward
to
us
in
installments.
K
The
report
does
make
reference
to
the
income
was
received
in
the
first
six
months
of
this
year,
which
I
think
was
around
about
1.6
million
so
already
overtook
the
whole
of
the
last
Financial
year.
So
you
can
see
that
they
are
building
up.
So
to
my
knowledge,
I'm,
not
aware
of
instances
where
the
planning
Authority
or
the
charging
Authority
is
having
to
take
enforcement
action
to
receive
those
payments.
It
is
that
lag
in
payments
that
one
would
naturally
expect
with
the
likes
of
the
installments
policy.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
okay.
So
moving
on
to
the
the
appendix,
where
we
have
the
report
proper,
please,
okay,
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
section
two,
which
is
on
page
three
of
the
appendix
or
page
28
of
the
report,
depending
on
which
set
of
papers
that
you're
you're
following
okay.
So
how
is
infrastructure
providing
the
funded?
Does
anybody
have
any
questions.
L
A
K
So
I
think
it
will
be
the
colleagues
within
the
council
who
look
at
making
improvements
to
sports
infrastructure,
the
likes
of
as
a
Paul
Martin
and
his
colleagues.
They
will
obviously
be
aware
of
what
they
have
secured
or
available
to
them
via
various
section.
106
schemes
and
I
understand
that
they
will
make
a
sort
of
annual
bidding
process,
probably
similar
to
the
likes
of
the
sort
of
capital
building
program
to
work
out
how
that
can
be
best
utilized.
Where
there's
a
scheme
that
is
suitable
for
sexual
106
stuff
to
be
included.
K
D
We
know
that
Park
runs
very
successful,
but
there's
no
outdoor
toilets
and
we
know
that
other
auras
provide
toilets
for
Park
runs
either
temporary
toilets.
Or
would
that
be
something
that
that
team
would
then
consider?
And
how
would
we
get
them
to
consider
that,
because
we
know
through
a
number
of
correspondents
that
there
have
been
many
requests
for
toilets
to
be
provided
for
the
park
run,
for
example,
just
one
example?
How
would
that
get
through
to
the
right
pot
of
money
so
that
it
then
fulfills
what
our
residents
want.
K
So
obviously,
if
the
ifs
looks
back
at
the
last
Financial
year,
so
this
process
has
looked
to
report
on
what's
occurred.
So
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
not
directly
involved
in
how
colleagues
look
to
identify
and
consider
those
spending
opportunities.
But
those
colleagues
who
are
involved
in
that
area
of
work
would
be
best
place
to
answer
that
question
rather
than
myself.
With
this
ifs,
which
is
really
looking
back
and
Reporting
on
what
has
happened
in
the
last
Financial
year,
foreign.
B
Suppose
it
comes
back
to
the
point
that
Chris
raised
earlier
about
106.
In
a
sense,
it's
the
politics
of
those
decisions,
so
an
officer
may
feel
that
this
is
the
decision
that
they
want
to
spend
that
money
on.
Where
does
where
does
the
accountability
or
where
does
the
politics
come
into
the
political
aspect
of
that
so
as
members
so
like,
as
only
was
saying
that
if
the
public
toilets
in
the
park
may
be
the
political
wish,
but
the
officers
may
have
a
different
view?
How
do
we?
E
E
B
What
how
does
I'd
like
to
understand
more
of
how
that
would
work,
so
the
officers
obviously
will
have
a
view
on
what
they
think
do.
They
then
talk
to
the
cabinet
member
had
had
and
then
do
they?
How
are
they
accountable
to
the
rest
of
us
as
members,
and
you
know
in
relation
to
making
that
decision,
how
the
transparency
of
that.
A
So
excuse
me,
excuse
me:
would
it
be
better
to
actually
get
a
written
answer
to
to
councilor
James's
question
and
forward
that
to
the
whole
of
eph?
Okay,
so
at
least
that
way,
we've
got
something
in
writing.
Okay,
as
what
the
process
is
and
and
and
who,
who
we
need
to
speak
to
Etc,
and
then
we
can
get
back
with
respect
to
the
actual
report
itself.
A
This
is
yeah.
No,
no
you're
talking
about
the
about
future
spending.
Okay,
the
the
ifs
goes
on
about
in
in
the
report.
It's
all
about
what
has
happened
over
the
past
year,
okay,
so
so
so
what
your?
Oh!
Forgive
me
if
I,
if
I've
got
a
hold
of
the
wrong
end
of
the
state,
but
my
understanding
is
that
you're
asking
about
you
know
how
do
we
get?
Okay,
lose
okay
in
the
park,
for
the
park
run
and
and
really
that's
something
that
no.
B
E
I
may
quickly
add
I
would
love
to
support
anything
as
long
as
it's
it's
part
of
one
of
the
the
income.
It
falls
out
of
the
needs
assessment
and
the
local
councilors,
the
the
expectation
to
spend
that
money
on.
So
it
it'll
be
a
best
way
forward
to
sort
of
give
a
give
some
sort
of
a
process.
Mapping
or
just
explain
all
the
members
how
this
fund
can
be
spent
and
make
the
clear
so.
H
Thank
you.
It's
I've,
councilor
Cuba
mentioned
it
a
couple
of
minutes
ago
about
the
infrastructure
list.
I
think
it
was
the
one
two
three
list.
What
we
had
a
few
years
ago,
I
would
expect
the
106
Monies
to
be
feeding
into
that,
and
I
would
expect
that
document
that
one
two
three
document
to
come
back
to
us
we've
completed
projects
and
how
do
we
initiate
new
projects
onto
that
infrastructure
list?
So
so
how?
How
do
they?
These?
Are
they
tying
in
with
that
infrastructure
list?
We
have
that's.
That's
a
simple
question:
don't.
A
You
Council
Watson
again,
forgive
me
officers
for
for
kind
of
jumping
in,
but
I
think
that
would
need
a
written
reply:
okay
again
to
Council
Watson's
question
okay,
which
will
allow
us
to
actually
crack
on
with
the
report.
Okay,
the
section
one
two
three
is
a
completely
different
paper,
Okay
and
obviously
isn't
isn't
in
the
pack
tonight.
Okay,
so
if
obviously
officers
can
prepare
some
form
of
written
answer
to
that,
okay
that'll
be
much
appreciated.
Councilman
McCormack,
please.
J
J
If
we're
getting
arbitrary
allocation
of
funding
to
arbitrary
schemes,
with
no
transparency
and
no
public
accountability,
I
mean
I
would
be
very
concerned
to
think
that
there
was
some
kind
of
arbitrary
allocation
of
funds
to
arbitrary
schemes,
because
I
can
think
of
lots
of
wards
which
desperately
need
Community
infrastructure
upgrades
that
not
getting
them
and
then
I'm,
seeing
other
parts
of
the
borough
that
are
getting
up
to
225
Grand
spent
on
them.
So
you
know
entry
level
that
that's
cause
for
concern.
G
So
the
the
types
of
infrastructure
you
will
get
will
be
infrastructure.
That's
the
very
directly
relates
to
that
scheme.
When
we're
talking
about
the
infrastructure
list
or
what
was
formerly
the
regulation,
one
two
three
list:
those
are
bits
of
infrastructure,
of
a
more
more
strategic
infrastructure
that
can
be
funded
through
through
the
pooling
of
of
sale.
So
I
think
we're
talking
about
two
two
separate
elements
here.
J
Yeah,
a
bit
I'm
a
bit
more
confused
by
that.
Now
it
wasn't
my
intention
to
conflate
still
with
section
106,
but
in
the
report
it
does
say
that
seal
was
introduced
in
2018
and
that
narrative,
scope
of
section
106,
but
I
can't
see
the
criteria
that
have
been
applied
and,
for
instance,
225
Grand
spent
on
whitchurch
Town
Hall.
How
many
houses
are
built
in
whitchurch
to
justify
that?
What
was
the
scheme?
That
was
the
source
of
that?
What
were
the
terms
and
conditions
for
the
section
106
on
that?
J
Did
it
was
it
houses
built
immediately
around
whitchurch?
Did
it
have
to
be
applied
to
which
church
and
some
of
the
other
schemes
I
don't
know
how
many
houses
were
built
in
order
to
get
132
grand
for
the
Irish
sector
now
I'm,
not
necessarily
disagreeing
that
the
works
needed
to
be
done,
but
there
are
other
community
Assets
in
Borough
that
are
in
really
dire
need
of
investment
places
like
the
Sycamore,
Center
and
weekly
that
don't
feature
here.
So
communities
are
losing
out
and
I'd
like
to
understand.
Why.
G
Think
just
to
say
that
the
the
distribution
of
106
funding
relates
to
the
location
and
distribution
of
new
development,
so
I
I
couldn't
tell
you
precisely
which
schemes
are
contributed,
for
example,
towards
the
the
the
hall
in
whip
church,
but
I
would
strongly
expect
they
were
all
schemes
from
from
for
development.
Around
whipchurch,
where
I
suspected
the
new
occupants
of
those
dwellings
will
put
additional
pressure
upon
that
Community
facility
and
therefore
require,
and
it
works
to
increase
its
capacity.
A
A
J
J
J
I
mean
some
of
these
things
like
Primary
School.
You
know
addition
to
Primary
School
provision.
Well,
we're
not
the
statutory
education
provider,
the
the
statute
of
responsibility
is
the
county,
but
these
days
has
also
got
Academy
primary
schools
that
are
finally
direct
from
government.
So
I'm
I'd
like
to
understand
how
these
these
items
made
it
on
the
list,
foreign.
K
So,
strictly
speaking,
the
info,
what
is
now
called
the
infrastructure
list
in
terms
of
its
content
in
terms
of
the
screen
of
the
schemes
that
are
identified
there?
That
is
exactly
the
same
as
the
the
former
regulation.
One
two
three
list:
it's
just
that
there
was
a
change
in
legislation
that
changes
effectively
the
title
or
the
list
back
in
I,
think
2019.
K
So
essentially,
this
infrastructure
lists
the
former
regulation
123
list.
The
schemes
that
were
cited
or
continue
to
be
cited
on.
There
are
those
that
were
deemed
appropriate
at
the
time
the
council
chose
to
implement
sill
so
going
back
to
the
original
papers,
I
think
leading
things
around
about
the
March
time
for
Council
papers,
ahead
of
still
coming
into
effect
in
June
2018
this
that
formed
this
list.
K
A
A
D
Think
the
questions
raised
by
a
number
of
members
here
very
germane
to
our
plan
going
forward
and
it's
a
subject
has
been
brought
up
many
times
and
it's
the
peak
decision
making
which
actually
has
incredible
impact
on
our
residents
and
as
members,
we
should
absolutely
understand
how
those
decisions
are
made
and
how
the
infrastructure
delivery
plan
fits
in
with
the
infrastructure
statement.
Thank
you.
M
You
Chad
please
list
whether
it's
a
one,
two
three
list
or
an
infrastructure
list.
They
go
out
of
date
very
quickly
for
all
sorts
of
reasons.
Children
railway
station
is
a
perfect
example.
It's
never
going
to
happen.
Railway
people
have
said
you
can
build
a
station
there
if
you
want,
but
we're
not
going
to
stop
there,
because
we
can't
timetable
it
in
so
it
needs
to
come
off
the
list
and
there
are
loads
of
other
things
that
are
in
similar
position.
We
need
to
be
reviewing
these
lists
on
an
annual
basis.
M
A
A
I
Thank
you,
chair
I've
got
three
comments,
so
the
first
one
is
to
explain
the
decision
making
process
for
the
allocation
of
section,
106
and
sell
money
and
specifically
how
Ward
councilors
are
involved
in
that
process.
Second,
one
is
then,
to
explain
how
the
IDP
integrates,
with
the
ifs
related
to
that
first
point,
and
then.
Thirdly,
the
point
that
Council
Robinson's
just
made
about
the
need
to
ensure
that
the
infrastructure
plan
remains
constantly
up
to
date.
A
We
captured
those
great
okay.
So
then,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
move
on
to
agenda
item
six.
Okay,
which
is
the
thought
if
the
authority
and
monitoring
report-
okay-
and
we
have
a
public
speaker
and
I-
would
like
to
to
bring
forward
councilor
Harvey.
Who
will
have
four
minutes?
Okay,
so
I'll
hand
you
over
to
Council
canasco.
N
N
We
have
a
five-year
housing
land
Supply
if
those
extra
houses
actually
counted
of
all
the
homes
that
have
been
delivered
in
this
last
monitoring
year,
295
homes
or
some
38
percent
were
on
large
windfall
sites
and
not
planned
strategic
sites.
Also,
145
windfall
units
were
delivered
on
small
sites.
These
windfall
sites
make
up
a
significant
part
of
our
annual
delivery,
which
is
very
concerning
we
have
left
arbora
open
to
speculative
development,
because
strategic
sites,
like
many
down,
have
not
come
forward.
N
If
we
had
many
down,
we'd
have
a
five
year,
housing
land
Supply
and
we
could
more
easily
reject
these
speculative
developers.
The
fact
that
many
down
has
not
been
delivered
is
having
a
huge
impact.
The
report
tells
us
that
on
page
239
that
only
1
210
homes
are
predicted
to
be
built
on
many
down
up
to
2029.
N
We
had
given
permission
for
3250
so
far
what
a
shocking
failure.
This
report
shows
us
that
the
council
has
also
given
permission
for
1
641,
affordable
homes
in
the
last
monitoring
year,
but
1408
of
them
are
part
of
the
many
down
planning
permission.
We're
told
we're
only
going
to
see
1210
homes
built
between
now
and
2029
on
many
down,
so
the
claim
is
totally
disingenuous.
It
doesn't
add
up.
Only
233,
affordable
homes
have
been
given
permission
across
all
of
the
sites
in
this
monitoring
year.
N
Meanwhile,
the
actual
delivery
of
affordable
homes
has
dropped
by
over
40
percent.
We
only
delivered
283,
affordable
homes
and
59
of
them
were
Flats
we're
delivering
less
approving
even
fewer,
and
that's
when
you
consider
that
not
one
house
has
been
built
on
many
down.
In
16
years,
the
high
court
judge
told
us
the
council
to
develop
many
down
all
of
it.
When
we
held
the
transfer
of
council
housing
referendum
in
the
1990s,
people
were
promised
that
many
down
would
deliver
new
Council
housing.
N
If
some
conservative,
councilors
and
MPS
stop
playing
the
games
are
many
down
and
we
saw
it
delivered,
I
could
say
so
much
more
about
this
report
and
what
it
tells
us
about
planning
in
our
Borough
about
the
picture
that
it
paints
and
how
we
need
to
take
back
control
of
planning
in
arbora
to
deliver
the
affordable
homes.
We
know
we
need
meet
the
people's
expectations
across
our
communities.
The
devil
is
in
the
detail,
and
we
should
have
more
time
to
scrutinize
this
report.
N
E
Thank
you
chair
a
clearly
committee
again
in
front
of
us.
We've
got
this
AMR
the
Authority
monitoring
report
for
the
financial
is
finished.
This
is
a
statutory
document
that
Authority
produce
and
publish
every
December,
and
it's
been
discussing
the
eph
in
the
past
and
it
focuses
progress
with
the
production
of
the
planning
documents
and
considers
the
effectiveness
of
councils,
the
planning
policies
against
the
relevant
performing
indicators
and
targets.
E
Some
positive
elements
do
not
include
the
ongoing
strength
of
the
the
neighborhood
planning
in
the
borough,
with
currently
having
12
plants
now
made
and
granting
of
sufficient
permissions
to
meet
needs
for
self-built
and
custom-built
housing
and
overall
improvements
in
design
quality
and
housing
schemes.
So
the
number
of
important
targets
have
not
been
met,
however,
the
the
primer
relating
to
housing
delivery,
which
has
been
discussed
from
this,
the
visiting
speaker
as
well.
E
So
we
have
seen
a
fall
in
overall
delivery
to
below
standard
method
requirement
and
also
following
and
the
affordable
housing
delivery
for
the
last
Financial
year.
The
board
also
continues
to
be
unable
to
show
five-year
supply
of
deliverable
sites,
and
the
presumption
in
favor
of
sustainable
development
remains
in
place.
E
So
so
we
need
to
continue
to
work
with
Partners
to
improve
to
make
sure
we
are
in
place
to
deliver,
as
well
as
the
improved
water
quality
in
the
borough,
which
is
also
flagged
in
the
report,
and
the
EMR
will
be
used
to
inform
the
developing
of
the
local
Plan
update
and
also
the
review
of
neighborhood
plans
within
the
borough
and
happy
to
take
your
suggestions
and
recommendations
and
before
offices
are
happy
to
discuss.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
the
report.
A
You
very
much
Council
Ganesh,
okay,
so
so
moving
back
on
to
the
report
itself,
I
would
like
to
spend
a
few
minutes
on
just
seeing
if
there's
any
questions
on
the
key
considerations.
That's
Pages,
47,
okay,
old
Pages
62
to
65,
depending
on
which
set
of
numbers
that
you're
you're
following
okay,
just
for
for
ease
as
well.
Okay,
we
we
have
provided
hard
copies
of
the
the
table
in
the
executive
summary
which
can
be
used
in
conjunction
with
going
through
the
the
question.
Council
qubit.
D
Just
before
we
move
on
to
the
main
substance
of
the
document,
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
there
are
statements
in
the
Preamble
that
are
clearly
not
correct,
because
we
are
clearly
not
improving
the
river
and
the
landscape
quality
of
our
Borough.
And
yet
it
says
in
the
background
corporate
objectives
and
priorities
that
it's
that
the
AMR
demonstrates
that
our
plan
is
supporting
such
priorities.
D
And
then,
when
we
go
through
the
list
and
the
cabinet
members
alluded
to
the
fact
that
we're
failing
on
a
number
of
areas,
it
clearly
demonstrates
that
we're
not
supporting
local
communities,
the
the
Regeneration
of
Buckskin,
Etc
and
we'll
come
to
that
later
on
and
the
Regeneration
of
winklebury
hasn't
happened.
Despite
the
fact
that
there
were
very
strong
commitments
from
this
Administration,
they
were
going
to
do
it
back
in
2014..
D
So
I
don't
understand
how
we
can
say
from
the
very
get-go
that
our
plan
is
improving,
River
and
Landscape
quality.
When
it
clearly
is
not
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
say
that
we
are
shaping
high
quality,
sustainable
communities
when
we
do
not
seem
to
be
and
I,
don't
know
how.
We
can
say
that
we're
supporting
local
communities
when
we're
not.
D
D
We
seem
to
just
be
being
led
by
I,
can't
think
of
a
metaphor,
but
by
by
the
nose,
because
because
because
you
know
we're
supposed
to
be
building
houses,
we're
supposed
to
be
improving
landscape,
we're
supposed
to
be
improving,
River
quality
and
we're
not.
Even
though
we
we
we,
we,
we
made
a
commitment
to
do
so.
D
So,
of
course,
you
can
give
a
written
response,
but
I
I
do
think
it's
it's
very
worrying
and
and
and
I,
don't
know
how
d-luck
marks
our
homework,
because
there's
Illusions
in
this
document
that
oh,
we
haven't,
got
a
housing
smoke
because
we've
over
delivered,
for
example,
but
actually
that's
not
100
accurate.
We
have.
D
We
haven't,
got
a
housing
Supply,
because
the
Strategic
sites
that
we
identified
in
2014
were
going
to
be
billed
haven't,
been
built
on
and
in
fact,
the
over
delivery
that
we've
been
delivering
in
the
last
three
years
and
we'll
come
to
that
graph
in
a
minute
is
actually
from
windfall
sites
which
I
think
Council
Harvey
made
a
reference
to
before
which
we
have
no
control
over
at
all.
So
that
didn't
affect
our
five-year
housing
Supply.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
Council.
That
was
a
that
was
a
very
long
windy
way
of
saying.
Yes,
okay,
but
I
look
forward
to
a
detailed
response:
okay,
Council
Ganesh,
and
if
you
can
ensure
that
that's
forwarded
to
everybody
in
eph,
okay,
not
just
a
a
written
response
to
councilor
Cubit,
okay,
councilor
canesco,
please.
I
I
A
O
Thank
you,
chair
the
affordability,
Target
I
mean
that's
something
that
we're
looking
at
through
the
local
Plan
update
and
that's
sort
of
the
correct
way
to
do
that,
because
it
has
to
be
based
on
robust
evidence.
So
you
need
to
take
into
account
viability
as
well
as
your
needs
and
things.
So
that's
quite
a
big
piece
of
work
and
that's
how
you
have
to
do
that
and
you
would
need
to
update
the
policy
and
take
that
through
the
process.
H
Thank
you,
3.9
in
in
the
September
cabinet
decision
notice.
It's
said
the
council's
going
to
be
more
proactive
in
getting
our
five-year
land
Supply.
It's
been
three
months
since
that
cabinet
meeting
I
just
wanted
to
give
us
some
information,
the
portfolio
holder
of
what
proactive
measures
you've
done
to
get
a
five-year
land
Supply
working
with
our
developers.
E
Officers
are
working
with
some
of
the
sides,
part
of
the
Sheila
and
trying
to
bring
some
of
the
applications
forward
as
soon
as
they're
ready
to
apply
and
I'm
sure
there
are.
There
is
one
live
application
which
I
don't
want
to
comment
on
in
particular,
but
officers
are
working
on
that
to
work
on
the
list.
If
there's
any
particular
sites
that
are
willing
to
come
forward,
foreign.
A
O
So
that's
taking
a
sort
of
more
proactive
approach
on
the
more
suitable
site,
so
sites
that
are
in
line
with
our
spatial
strategy.
For
example,
it's
not
about
taking
a
positive
approach
on
all
sites,
because
obviously
some
sites
are
not
suitable
for
development,
but
on
the
ones
that
fit
in
that
strategy.
It's
a
more
proactive
approach,
so
they
can
provide
the
link
for
that.
If
you're
interested
in
looking
that
in
more
detail.
F
You
chair
we're
going
back
to
3.1,
actually
key
issues
for
consideration
3.1,
it
lists
all
our
policies
and
things,
and
it
says
the
third
bullet
point
providing
flexibility
to
allow
new
homes
in
the
countryside
where
appropriate,
but
further
in
the
report
we
see
that
we
this
year
stunningly
allowed
443
against
181
the
year
before
150
190.
I
would
say
that
our
flexibility
has
gone
beyond
flexible
I,
think
it's
gone,
limp
it's
burst,
or
whatever
words
you
want
to
do.
We've
got
to
step
up
to
this.
F
O
And
it's
quite
complicated
picture,
obviously
in
terms
of
why
these
different
sites
come
forward
and
I
think
the
sites
which
still
fit
in
with
the
policy
framework-
and
there
is
a
flexible
approach
for
that
and
that
has
been
applied
and
applications
have
been
considered
in
that
way.
Obviously,
this
is
more
complicated
now
by
the
land
Supply
position,
so
that
does
change
that
Dimension,
but
it
doesn't
undermine
that
particular
kind
of
policy
approach,
which
is
also
still
there.
You've
also
got
neighborhood
planning,
which
has
brought
forward
sites
through
allocations
and
things.
O
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
obviously,
I
think
we're
out
of
time
on
that
one.
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
bring
the
the
bar
down
okay
and
move
forward
to
the
authority
monitoring
report,
okay,
which
is
in
a
pen
or
attached
to
appendix
one
okay,
which
is
either
page
one
or
page
71
of
the
report,
depending
on
which,
which
set
of
numbers
that
you're
you're
using.
So
basically,
we
have
in
a
in
section
one.
A
We
have
this
report
here:
okay,
which
was
was
printed
out,
okay,
and
so
so,
therefore
I'm
going
to
use
that
in
conjunction
with
the
various
sections,
okay
and
so
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
section
three,
which
is
progress
with
planning
documents:
okay,
there's
anybody,
so
so.
Basically
that
starts
at
page
22
or
page
92,
depending
on
which
set
of
numbers
that
you're
looking
at.
D
A
H
A
A
So
all
right
members,
sorry
about
this
okay
I've,
just
had
to
explain
to
me
a
better
way
of
of
doing
this,
to
eliminate
all
confusions
so
start
off
on
the
rack
ratings.
Okay,
then,
what
we'll
do?
Okay
is
we'll
we'll
start
off
with
questions
on
housing
and
then
we'll
go
to
section
five
and
discuss
housing,
okay,
and
what
we'll
we'll
then
go
to
the
second
rag
rating?
Okay,
so
we
discussed
the
rag
ratings
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
report,
okay
to
to
support
that.
B
I
suppose
it
is
a
question
so
in
relation
to
windfall
I've
raised
it
before,
but
I
suppose
I
would
have
thought
for
me.
First
of
all
that
that
should
not
be
green,
it
should
be
red,
I
would
have
thought,
but
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
just
the
number
of
a
large
scale
windfall
sites
that
are
coming
forward,
and
why
is
that?
And
what
can
we
can
be
done
about
that?
Because
it
obviously
is
of
concern.
There
seems
to
be
some
worry
about
officers.
Have
we
done
something
wrong.
O
Thanks
yeah,
the
reason
why
it's
green
is
because
there's
a
specific
small
site,
windfall
Target
of
50
units
a
year,
so
that
makes
it
part
of
our
supply.
So
the
reason
it's
green
is
because
we've
met
that
Target
of
50
and,
as
it
says,
over
there,
we've
got
if
we
go
well
in
excess
of
that
and
the
average
is
more
like
that
80
a
year.
So
that's
why
that's
green
because
it
directly
relates
to
that
Target
in
terms
of
windfall
generally,
we
would
always
expect
a
certain
amount
of
windfall
to
come
forward.
O
We
expected
that
we
set
that
out
and
when,
when
the
plan
was
examined,
because
that
gives
us
some
flexibility,
some
authorities
could
allocate
additional
sites,
for
example,
to
give
that
flexibility.
They
add
percentages,
for
example
to
it.
We
didn't
do
that.
We
had
a
wind
form.
We
didn't
have
a
windfall
allowance
for
large
sites,
because
that
was
our
flexibility.
So
we
would
expect
this
to
come
forward.
It's
important
to
remember
that
windfall
sites
are
not
necessarily
a
negative
thing,
because
a
lot
of
windfall
sites
come
forward
they're
still
within
the
policy
framework.
O
So,
just
because
they're
not
specifically
allocated
which
would
be
Greenfield
sites
generally
outside
the
built-up
area.
Windfall
sites
are
often
sites
on
Brownfield
land
which
comes
forward
within
the
policy
framework,
and
we
wouldn't
allocate
those.
So
it's
not
always
a
negative
that
perhaps
members
think
that
it
is.
B
What
would
be
quite
nice
from
this
is
in
the
future
that
we
have
a
discussion
as
a
committee
on
windfall.
Maybe
after
you
know
in
the
future,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
it
as
an
issue
and
discuss
it.
I
just
think
it
would
be
good
to
explore.
Is
it
positive?
Is
it
negative
and
do
a
piece
of
work
on
that.
O
I
mentioned
to
the
allocations:
you'd
have
those
policies
there
so
that
sites
can
get
assessed
through
the
planning
application
process
and
that's
when
those
sites
are
looked
at
in
detail.
The
sheer
origin
is
a
very
high
level
document.
Anyway,
it's
really
more
a
register
of
sites,
so
sites
don't
really
get
assessed
properly
through
that
process.
It's
through
the
planning
application
process
using
the
framework
of
the
local
plan
for
those
sites,
so
that's
kind
of
how
that
process
works.
But
we
can
look
at
that.
A
F
Are
you
sure
yeah
come
back
Winfield
win
full
sites
so
before
we
had
to
adopt
the
standard
housing
method
because
we're
bad
boys,
apparently
or
girls,
we
were
still
averaging
called
those
figures.
288
windfall
sites
per
year?
Were
we
able
to
count
those
in
our
five-year
land
Supply
up
to
that
day,
if
we
weren't?
F
Why
couldn't
we
because
clearly,
that
has
a
massive
kind
of
loop
you
get
yourself
into
where
your
windfall
sites
aren't
counted
and
they're
being
the
ones
that
have
been
developed,
not
the
sites
you
want,
which
make
you
even
worse.
Can
we?
Why
could
we
not
call
a
foul
as
a
reasoned
argument,
or
did
we
miss
that
opportunity.
A
O
Yeah,
so
every
unit
that's
completed,
gets
counted
as
a
completion,
regardless
of
where
it
comes
from
whether
it's
an
allocation
windfall
anything,
so
they
always
get
included.
So
you
don't
lose
anything
from
that
perspective
in
terms
of
future,
so
the
five-year
land
Supply
position,
if
it's
if
the
site
meets
a
little
bit
deliverability
tests.
So,
for
example,
if
it's
got
planning
permission,
it
has
a
windfall
site,
it's
got
planning
permission.
It
will
still
be
included
in
the
five
year
land
Supply.
O
The
only
difference
is
the
allocations
can
be
included
earlier
on
because
they're
within
the
plan,
so
when
foresights
might
necessarily
be
known
about
at
an
earlier
stage.
Having
said
that,
the
allocations
can't
automatically
be
included
either.
You
need
to
show
that
there's
progress
on
them
and
there's
tests
as
well,
in
terms
of
which
ones
of
those
can
be
included.
F
O
H
O
No,
the
green
doesn't
relate
to
that.
The
green,
no,
the
good
yeah
exactly
it's
complaining,
two
different
things
there.
The
green
is
the
number
of
small
windfall
sites
that
have
been
completed
or
units
see
as
the
one
that
you're
talking
about
is
a
permitted
development
scheme
that
would
count
towards
our
overall
completions.
It's
not
why
that's
green.
D
It
was
table
5.7
and
it
it
shows
how
we've
ended
up
being
one
of
the
highest
develop
councils
in
the
country
for
a
long
time,
and
when
you
look
at
the
net
completion
to
the
large
windfall
sites
versus
the
total
net
completions
on
table
5.7.
And
then
you
see
the
percentages
that
those
windfalls
represent
in
relation
to
the
net
completions.
D
It's
truly
staggering
I
mean
it's
truly
staggering
and
and
then,
when
you
add
into
it
the
fact
that
we
fail
to
build
on
many
down
and
Easter
Beijing,
which
are
all
strategic
sites
that
were
supposed
to
be
built
on
which
belong
to
the
public
sector.
It
kind
of
further
contextualizes
it
and
then,
when
you
think
about
all
the
residents
who
are
really
really
upset
about
the
fact
that,
because
we
haven't
got
a
five-year
housing,
Supply
we've
got
a
free-for-all
and
it's
like
the
wild
west
out
there
and
every
planning
application
is
getting
approved.
D
It's
not
happening
by
accident.
It's
because
we
have
failed
to
build
the
houses
we
were
supposed
to
build
in
accordance
with
our
plan.
We've
been
stitched
up
and
not
only
have
you
been
stitched
up,
but
we've
also
having
to
put
up
with
777
windfall
site
completions
in
2019
2020,
for
example,
that
was
50
percent.
D
M
J
In
fact,
I
go
further
and
what
there's
there's
another
section
that
shows
house
prices
and
our
house
prices
in
Basingstoke
are
significantly
lower
than
neighboring
areas
and
perhaps
the
number
of
completions
it
has
materially
affected.
The
house
prices
in
Basingstoke
there's
actually
more
houses
for
people
to
choose
from
when
they're
trying
to
move
in
there
and
buy
houses.
O
That's
the
national
requirement
that
you
have
to
include
that
buffer.
That's
something!
Obviously,
that
they've
looked
at
in
The
Proposal
changes
that
have
come
out,
and
so
we
can
see
what
the
implication
is
of
that.
If
you
did
remove
the
five
percent
buffer,
we
still
wouldn't
have
a
land
Supply,
though
it's
probably
worth
connecting.
A
A
A
O
A
J
My
question
on
that
it
was
alleged
super
Council
Watts
earlier
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversions
under
permitted
development.
Have
we
got
a
figure
for
the
number
of
flats
that
have
been
completed
as
a
result
of
conversion
of
office
units,
as
opposed
to
new
homes
being
built
on
a
ground
floor
site
we've,
basically
leveled
the
site
and
built
houses
starting
from
scratch,
as
we
would
do
on
a
Greenfield
site.
A
O
A
B
O
The
gray
on
the
Regeneration:
it's
because
some
of
the
targets
are
over
the
whole
plan
period,
so
obviously
we've
not
got
to
the
end
of
the
plan
period.
Yet
so,
just
because
of
that
that
delivery
figure
of
200
has
not
been
reached
as
yet.
The
requirement
in
the
police
policy
is
that
that
happens
by
the
end.
So
2029,
that's
the
case
with
quite
few
of
the
Grays,
where
we've
got
that
because
they're
not
annual
targets
they're
over
plan
period,
Target.
H
Mentions
regeneration
of
Buckskin
and
south
ham
and
Northern
being
back
on
this
Council
over
10
years,
and
those
three
areas
have
been
mentioned
every
single
year.
When
are
we
actually
going
to
see
some
schemes
coming
forward
from
this
Council
for
those
particular
deprived
areas?
The
indices
that
came
out
just
before
Christmas
those
are
the
most
free
deprived
areas
in
the
Borough
and
the
urgent
need
of
regeneration,
and
this
Council
sitting
idly
on
its
hands.
A
O
D
D
So
my
question
is
to
the
cabinet
member:
what
are
you
doing
in
relation
to
all
those
consultancy
reports
and
what
have
not
you
personally,
but
the
cabinet
have
achieved,
and
where
are
we
in
terms
of
when?
Are
they
going
to
be
delivered?
In
view
of
the
fact
that
this
Administration
has
made
commitment
numerous
times
for
many
years?
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
councilor
Kirby
I
said
Joe
mentioned.
We've
got
someone
in
place
looking
into
that
and
I'm
happy
to
come
back
with
to
you
with
a
sort
of
the
work
carried
on
from
sort
of
2020
till
now,
which
I,
which
I'm
happy
to
look
into
in
detail
and
speak
to
the
cabinet
member
responsible
for
housing
and
see.
If
there's
any
progress
made
and
come
back
to
you
with
the
Russian
response
on
that.
D
I'd
be
very
appreciative,
and
specifically
with
regards
to
the
pump
priming,
because
I
mean
it's
not
I
mean
all
of
us
are
aware
we're
one
of
the
richest
councils
in
the
country,
and
you
know
we
could
make
a
political
decision.
Instead
of
buying
a
hotel,
we
could
make
a
decision
to
use
money
to
pump
Prime
regeneration
of
those
areas
that
are
a
dire
need
of
investment
to
improve.
D
A
J
A
Thank
you
councilor.
Excuse
me,
thank
you.
Council
McCormack
I
do
beg
your
pardon.
Okay,
I've
recorded
that
as
a
comment,
okay
for
for
later.
Okay.
So
if
we
then
move
over
onto
the
to
page
seven
of
the
rack
ratings,
okay
and
we've
covered
regeneration
and
I
want
to
go
on
density
of
residential
development,
which
is
on
page
56
of
the
report.
Has
anybody
got
any
questions
on
that.
A
A
A
The
only
comments
on
there
that
that
I
have
is,
with
the
new
homes
near
the
new
core
installations,
is
that
I
I
find
it
absurd
that
West
Berkshire
has
basically
a
moratorium
on
a
decision
whether
to
build
houses
or
not
okay,
made
by
this
Council.
We
should
be
in
charge
of
our
own
destiny
and
I
I,
find
it
abhorrent.
A
A
B
I
suppose
it's
I
raise
it
every
time,
so
I'll
just
raise
it
again
and
I
don't
want
to
sort
of
disappoint
you
all.
So
if
you
look
at
the
table
on
page
64
or
134,
it
talks
about
the
market
housing,
the
dwellings
which,
if
you
look
at
the
number
of
houses
that
were
built
which
were
sorry
47
and
then
the
number
of
flats
was
55.
B
B
Why
is
it
that,
in
relation
to
Market,
housing
and
social
housing
is
very
different
and
what
my
concern
is?
If
members
aren't
aware
that,
if,
in
relation
to
a
two-bedroom
unit
in
affordable
unit,
you
have
to
be
a
family
to
have
through
the
housing
allocation
to
to
have
that
accommodation,
so
a
two-bedroom
unit
wouldn't
go
to
a
single
person
and
I
know
we
have
a
choice
based
letting,
but
the
reality
is,
if
we're
not
building
the
ability
for
people
to
choose.
B
So,
if
you're
looking
at
affordable
housing,
the
number
of
flats
are
much
greater
than
the
number
of
houses
that
are
being
built.
So
the
choice
is:
isn't
there
and
once
they've
chosen
what
they've
chosen
to
live
in?
They
come
off
of
the
register,
so
those
people
that
move
into
that
flat
that
they
may
have
chosen
at
that
time
then
are
off
the
register
and
can't
go
back
onto
the
register
unless
it's
for
a
very
good
reason.
So
what
I'm?
O
In
terms
of
the
market,
housing
you've
got
the
policy
and
the
supplementary
planning
document
that
outlines
kind
of
having
a
mix
of
Market
housing.
We've
spoken
to
to
that
team
about
that
process
and
how
that
works.
I
can't
really
comment
further
in
terms
of
how
they
get
involved
in
that
in
terms
of
nominations.
Etc,
because
that's
kind
of
outside
of
what's.
B
O
B
Because,
before
I
was
told
that
the
policy
goes
to,
the
housing
allocation
policy
goes
to
scrutiny,
I
think
it's
broader
than
that,
because
I
think
it
has
to
be
looked
at
in
relation
to
appreciation
of
being
asked
to
build
this
or
or
not
to
build
it.
So
we're
seeing
100
flattened
development
being
built
in
a
Ward
and
quite
a
percentage
of
it
is
two-bedroom.
A
D
D
D
Housing
is
built
and
is
not
built
and
the
permitted
development
is
not
providing
any
so
so
so
we
have
to
as
a
counselor
look
at
Alternatives,
which
is
why
I
seconded
the
motion
on
the
15th
of
December.
We
have
to
look
at
Alternatives
so
that
we
can't
just
say
well,
I'm,
never
so
sorry,
but
there
isn't
a
viability
to
produce
X
number
of
affordable
homes,
because
that
clearly
not
resolving
a
problem
is
not
a
solution.
So
I,
just
wonder
whether
the
cabinet
is
already
considering
Solutions
over
and
above
the
40
requirement.
D
E
E
H
O
O
A
H
A
N
B
I
I,
think
I.
Think
if
you
asked
residents
in
the
borough
in
relation
to
a
site
is,
is
do
they
want
this
to
developed
and
it's
going
to
deliver
less
affordable
housing
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
they
would
want
that
developed
I
think
they
would
wait
and
then
say
no.
We
want
another
developer
to
come
along
and
look
at
this.
My
concern
is
I
think
that
we
have
to
be
so
much
stricter
in
policy
terms
about
the
40,
affordable
housing
and
what
we
want
on
that
site,
counting
in
relation
to
a
viability.
B
I
think
they
have
to
be
much
stricter
about
it
and
I.
Don't
and
I
think
our
viability
in
relation
to
its
policy
be
delivered
under
the
affordable
housing
and
it
may
be,
as
you
would
then
say,
we
would
deliver
less
and
that's
what
maybe
Kate
and
people
would
be
saying
that
less
houses
would
be
delivered.
We
want
to
see.
O
A
A
J
O
I
think
the
text
that
you
were
reading
there
was
from
last
year
because
this
was
flagged
up
as
red
last
year,
because
there
weren't
any
consents
and
we
didn't
have
a
five-year
Supply,
the
green
kind
of
box.
There
is
the
position
this
year,
so
we
had
five
consented
pitches
at
many
down.
So
because
of
that,
we
do
now
have
a
five-year
Supply.
J
B
O
D
O
A
M
It's
not
so
much
a
question
as
a
comment.
The
reality
is
that
developers
who
are
delivering
these
plots
will
put
the
Egyptian,
trout
and
traveler
pictures
in
at
the
very
very
last
moment
they
can.
It's
happened
on
Hanson
Fields,
already
they've
built
all
the
houses,
so
they
can
sell
all
the
houses
and
then
they'll
put
the
Gypsy
and
traveler
pitch
in
they
will
not
be
delivered
until
the
very
very
end
and
in
the
106
agreements
that
I've
seen
it
says.
Basically,
it's
a
sign.
It's
a
signing
off
exercise.
A
O
H
L
H
A
F
H
J
F
F
Something
like
that,
12
2014,
it's
about
quite
early
on
and
it,
but
it
was
for
200
homes
so
that
took
the
plan.
The
plan
hadn't
got
any
housing
allocation
sites
because
there
was
no
land
owned
by
that
and
the
rest
have
been
all
through
whim
course:
appeals
and
sites
that
just
have
come
through
67
here
and
50
there
all
on
sites
that
once.
A
Thank
you
come.
Can
we
please
address
the
chair
and
and
use
the
microphone
so
that
we
can.
We
can
have
openness
and
transparency,
okay
for
people
watching
on
YouTube.
Thank
you.
Okay,
so
has
anybody
got
any
more
questions
or
comments
on
design
of
housing
monitored
through
building
for
a
healthy
life
assessments
with
the
overall
picture
cancel
a
cubit.
Please.
D
Yes,
I'm
afraid
there's
a
development
on
here
that
is
very
close
to
my
heart,
my
I'm
kind
of
gobsmacked
that
it's
even
been
allocated
in
average
and
it's
the
land
at
Western,
Road
and
I.
Just
wondered
who
and
how
that's
been
evaluated
as
a
site
that
is
is
allowed
to
be
put
in
the
building
for
healthy
life
assessments.
O
So
we
assess
all
of
the
large
sites
which
have
been
completed.
All
a
large
phases
have
been
completed,
so
they
automatically
can
fall
within
the
site
list
that
we
would
assess.
So
that's
why
it's
in
that
list,
because
of
its
scale
and
the
fact
that
it's
completed
our
Urban
Design
officer
in
the
council
applies
the
assessment
objectively
based
on
the
12
criteria
and
comes
up
with
an
objective
assessment
and
that's
what
you've
got
here.
I
mean
others
may
have
differing
views,
but
that's
his
objective
assessment.
There.
D
Well,
all
I
know
is
that
they're,
in
breach
of
their
planning,
the
community
have
huge
issues.
The
council
has
been
involved
extensively,
Ruth
has
been
extensively
involved
and
this
development
has
been
plagued
with
problems
from
the
get-go.
So
I
can't
understand
for
the
life
of
me
how
anybody
could
have
possibly
given
it
a
healthy
like
life
rating
of
average
I,
just
I
just
can't
understand,
I
mean
there
were
massive
problems
with
sewage.
D
O
I,
don't
know
the
detail
of
the
assessment
I
mean
it
says
there
in
terms
of
scoring
well
in
terms
of
layouts
and
things
and
there's
12
different
criteria.
So
presumably
it
scored
well
on
some
and
obviously
from
what
you've
said,
not
so
well
on
others,
which
is
why
it's
got
what's
an
average
score.
But
I
can't
really
detail
the
kind
of
scores
that
sit
behind
it.
J
J
For
for
new,
build
I
appreciate,
we
might
not
be
able
to
implement
it
straight
away,
but
it
would
be
informative
to
have
it
retrospectively
applied
to
recent
cases
and
that
would
inform
future
plans
we're
about
to
review
our
local
plan,
and
you
know,
we've
reset
the
clock
a
bit
on
that.
So
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
build
some
better
quality
houses,
better
fitting
for
the
future
and,
in
my
view,
healthy
life.
J
O
As
a
12
set
criteria
which
cover
a
whole
range
of
things
from
character,
but
also
proximity
to
Services,
how
it
fits
into
the
natural
environment,
all
of
those
different
things-
and
so
it
doesn't
include
necessary
biodiversity.
Specifically
I
mean
we've
got
other
parts
of
this
AMR
which
looks
at
biodiversity.
But
that's
why
it's
got
that
limited
kind
of
set
criteria.
F
F
If
you
stand
in
the
field
and
look
at
it
looks
like
someone's
got
the
set
of
Monopoly
houses
and
just
gone
and
thrown
them,
and-
and
so
it's
a
really
subjective
thing,
but
it
becomes
very
good
and
then
down
at
the
bottom
here
land
at
minson's.
It
goes
on
about
how
it
scored
less
well
in
terms
of
how
the
street
scenes
are
dominated
by
carriageway
parking
and
buildings
which
lend
it
more
of
an
urban
or
Suburban
rather
than
a
village
character.
A
D
So
what
redress
do
we
have?
I
mean
it's
interesting,
Council
tomlin's,
raising
similar
issue
to
me.
I
can
tell
you
that
my
residents
have
massive
problems
with
this
development
and
it
it's
in
breach
of
the
neighborhood
plan.
The
landscape
capacity
study,
the
houses
are,
would
be
far
more
appropriate
in
chinum
and
they're
they're
plonked
at
the
edge
of
a
field
in
Upton
gray,
I
mean
it
is
so
subjective
and
it
it
is
it
it
that
anybody
could
come
up
with
this.
D
A
A
F
Very
quickly,
sorry
5.125,
it
actually
reflects
the
paragraph
reflects
on
the
last
four
years.
So
I
know
we're
not
talking
about
that,
but
there
are
sites
in
there
which
are
under
flooding
and
sewage
and
all
sorts
of
problems
and
we've
got
them
down
as
being
example,
sites
I
I
just
reinforces.
Please
get
that
in
front
of
us,
because
we
can't
let
this
carry
on
okay.
A
Certainly,
thank
you
very
much
councilor
Tomlin
okay,
so
if
we
can
get
the
criteria,
okay
and
and
the
assessment
sent
out
to
the
council,
qubit
and
the
rest
of
the
committee
okay,
so
we
can
understand
exactly
how
the
assessments
are
done
and
then
we'll
come
back
you
with
questions.
Okay,
so
that's
the
designs
for
housing
monitored
through
building
for
a
healthy
life.
Okay,
moving
over
the
page
onto
page
11
of
the
the
ratings
design
of
housing,
monitored
through
building
page
93.,
I
thought
we'd
done
that.
Oh
we've
done
that
one
okay.
O
Because
it's
not
a
specific
Target
as
such,
so
it's
it's
a
more
subjective
kind
of
one,
which
is
why
it's
gray
and
for
this,
even
though
10
planning
applications
were
allowed
when
the
streets
of
Gap
in
each
case
that
was
considered
through
the
report
of
the
case
officer
and
on
balance
until
they
came
to
the
conclusion
that
they
did.
So
it's
not
really
appropriate
to
give
it
a
color
or
not.
Just
because,
for
example,
an
application
was
in
a
strategic
Gap.
O
D
O
A
H
You
chair
the
development
at
the
golf
club
and
Hanson
Fields
has
had
a
disastrous
effect
on
the
environment,
amount
of
trees
that
have
been
pulled
down
and
those
particular
areas
and
bushes.
So
this
should
be
read:
we've
built
143
homes
on
handsome
fields
and
golf
club
I
think
we're
facing
at
80
a
year.
H
A
O
I,
don't
know
the
details
of
the
individual
applications,
but
they
would
have
for
the
case
officer
would
have
gone
through
that
process.
Yeah
and
considered
that
in
terms
of
monitoring,
I
mean
that's
something
for
you
to
raise
for
natural
environment
team
which
I
can
raise
with
them
because
they
do
go
out
and
monetize
what's
happening.
So.
J
And
how
can
we
demonstrate
consistent,
applicable
policies
when
we're
building
on
sites
of
special
scientific
interests
or
sites
of
importance
in
nature
conservation,
and
yet
we've
had
previous
cases
like
marnell
park,
for
instance,
where
a
great
deal
of
time
and
effort
was
made
producing
new
Bridges
to
conserve
a
very
strong
new
population
of
over
4
000
Newt.
So
it's
a
translocate
them
while
they
built
they
had
to
go
to
all
that
trouble,
and
that
was
a
site
of
importance
to
Nature
conservation.
O
I
don't
know,
I
can
say
with
that.
There
were
no
decisions
that
affected
triple
sis
in
this
year
in
terms
of
sinks,
as
it's
still
on
a
case-by-case
basis
really,
so
they
would
look
at
individual
application,
whether
certain
mitigation
measures
are
required
or
not
based
on
the
species
and
the
site
and
everything
else.
B
We
should
do
a
piece
of
scrutiny
and
we
should
look
at
some
of
the
applications
that
have
been
have
gone
through
and
you
know
what
do
we
think
about
that
and
if,
if
we're
not
happy
about
those
as
a
committee,
what
do
we
then
need
to
do
to
tighten
up
the
wording
before
we
go
forward?
The
the
new
local
plan
I
mean
I.
Think
it
really
is
important.
If
we
we
are
concerned
about
some
of
these
things,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
it.
I
have
a
piece
of
scripture
and
say:
was
it
okay?
B
Maybe
it
was
okay.
The
piece
of
the
the
development
that
happened
in
that
strategic
Gap
or
is
it
that
we,
when
we
mean
strategy
gaps,
we
don't
want
any
development,
you
know,
and
so
I
think
it's
worth
us
having
those
discussions
around
those
two
policy
areas
and
I
asked
the
committee
to
support
us
in
doing
that.
B
L
B
Not
doing
it
I'm
asking
the
committee
for
the
support
tonight
here
and
then
we
just
put
it
Forward
onto
the
agenda.
There's
lots
of
other
items
tonight
I've
been
suggested
that
we
should
bring
forward
as
well
and
I
think
it's
about.
When
we
have
a
discussion
in
relation
to
what
we
want
to
have
on
the
committee
as
an
agenda,
we
should
be
able
to
say
as
a
committee.
These
are
things
that
we
want.
I
personally,
do
not
want
to
fill
in
one
of
those
forms
and
go
through
that
process.
L
A
Q
Q
Q
This
has
caused
problems
because
actually
I've
had
a
number
of
applications
come
through
on
the
older
Marston
Road
in
the
last
year
or
so,
and
it's
been
quite
hard
hit
because
it's
just
outside
of
the
of
the
depths
with
with
up
with
awe
and
what
tends
to
happen
is
I
get
called
out
by
developers,
small
scale
developers
who
say
to
me.
Well,
you
know
we
know
these
got
through
so
we
want.
Why
can't
that
get
through,
and
this
is
we're
being
told
biodiversity,
but
actually
they
made
it
through.
R
R
O
All
I
would
say
is
that
the
aim
of
that
policy
is
to
protect
those
areas.
That's
the
aim
of
it.
There's
a
number
of
criteria
that
sit
below
that
policy
which
are
applied
to
those
applications
they've
been
considered
through
by
officers
by
committee
Etc
and
has
been
found
to
meet
that
policy,
so
that
the
demon
policy
is
to
protect.
A
J
Well,
I,
don't
think
this
should
be
given
a
red
rating.
I
think
you
should
be
given
a
brown
rating
for
obvious
reasons.
I
think
we've
had.
Secondly,
failed
and
I
think,
given
that
we've
got
three
chalk
streams
in
place
to
contain
area,
and
a
lot
has
been
said
about
things
like
nitrates
and
phosphates
and
the
Water
Company's
signal
failure
to
cope
with
problems
with
sewage
I
think
we
need
to
ask
some
serious
questions
about.
What
can
we
do
as
a
council?
And
what
can?
J
What
can
the
government
do
to
sort
this
mess
out
because
I'm
of
the
viewer
I'm
sure
others
share
this
view
that
the
water
companies
are
incapable
of
sorting
this
problem
out
for
themselves?
They
they
won't
put
in
the
necessary
investment
to
do
it
and
already
we're
seeing
problems
with
places
like
the
golf
course
development
where
they
can't
build
any
more
houses,
because
they
don't
have
the
capacity
to
dispose
of
the
sewage,
and
that
makes
a
mockery
of
our
local
plan
and
our
housing
targets.
Where
we've
already
granted
planning
permission
and
we
can't
complete.
D
So
I'm
not
going
to
go,
go
through
well,
first
narrative
on
this,
but
my
concern
is
that
we're
basing
this
report,
which
is
a
snapshot,
a
balance
sheet
at
a
certain
time
and
we're
using
2019
data
and
so
I,
just
I,
I
I
I
have
been
told
on
good
authority
that
last
year-
and
obviously
this
isn't
last
year
but
the
year
before,
but
the
year
before
was
shocking,
because
we
know
what
the
sewage
dumping
was
like
in
2020.
Why
are
we
still
working
off
2019
figures
and
why?
A
O
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
conversations
that
we've
had
previously
about
the
monitoring
that
happens
with
the
environment
agency,
so
they
have
ongoing
monitoring,
but
they
only
actually
publish
it
every
three
years
now
and
that's
the
system.
We
continue
to
talk
to
them
about
it
and
the
potential
to
get
annual
statements
and
things
I
know
some
people
do
receive
annual
statements.
So
that's
a
sort
of
ongoing
conversation.
D
I
appreciate
that
and
I
was
involved
in
a
number
of
meetings
and
I
do
recall
that
the
person
at
the
time
at
EA
said
that
they
would
gladly
give
us
the
annual
data.
So
I
I
would
like
very
much
for
officers
to
make
sure
that
they
push
that
button.
Make
sure
that
that
goes
into
the
deluxe
submission
and
then
we're
not
working
off
of
old
data.
But
thank
you
very
much.
A
F
It's
just
a
the
question
and
maybe
I
this
is
maybe
I
think
this
is
the
Forum
to
raise
it.
Is
that
clearly
we're
now
in
an
agreement
with
eastleigh,
so
nitrate
mitigation?
We
are,
we
is
it.
Was
it
too
late
to
be
mentioned
in
here,
because
this
is
so
well
out
of
date
in
the
sense
of
what's
Happening
so
and
also,
if
so,
the
logic
of
how
we
got
to
that
decision
would
need
to
be
explained,
or
is
that
going
to
appear
next
year?
Basically,.
O
P
Thanks
Joe,
so
the
the
the
title
of
the
section
is
nutrient
neutrality.
However,
it
then
goes
on
to
talk
about
the
proposed
European
designated
sites,
I
suppose
I'm,
almost
preempting,
the
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
responding
to
to
D
Lock
but
I'd
be
interested
in
what
we're
looking
to
do
for
local
nature
recovery
strategy,
because
that's
is
absolutely
focused
on
that
that
nutrient
imbalance
and
have
we
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
that
in
this
planning
cycle.
P
O
Mean
it's
slightly
too
early,
Hampshire,
County
Council
are
sort
of
responsible
body
and
they
have
started
having
meetings
and
things
with
us
and
others
about
that.
So
the
work
is
progressing
but
at
the
moment
we're
waiting
for
the
more
detailed
stuff
from
defra
which
is
due
out
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
They've
said
so
we'll
see.
A
A
J
J
I
I
can
only
assume
that
the
reason
why
we're
saying
this
is
because
we
haven't
done
more
air
quality
measurements.
What
measurements
have
we
done
recently,
for
instance
on
the
ringway
east
or
along
hatch,
Warren
Way
next
to
the
M3,
where
we've
got
busy
roads
they're
getting
busier
and
their
quality
is
deteriorating
and
we
know
we've
had
problems
in
the
past.
But
this
very
much
looks
to
me
like
it's,
it's
a
white
wash
or
maybe
it's
a
green
wash
and
we're
saying
we
don't
have
an
air
quality
problem.
J
D
A
M
M
Should
we
allow
it
to
conserve
energy,
or
should
we
not
allow
it
for
the
Conservation
Area?
It's
a
question
of
which
policy
trumps
trumps,
which
we
haven't
had
a
steer
of
any
description
from.
You
know
from
eph.
We
we
desperately
need
one,
because
the
situation
that
DC
has
been
put
in
is
we're
having
to
make
policy
decisions.
M
D
You're
paying
again
in
terms
of
whose
response
I
mean
that
there's
a
massive
problem
with
historic
properties
in
the
country
and
the
government
has
not
given
sufficient
regard
to
it.
So
it's
a
deluxe
question
in
this.
One
is
what
are
listed
buildings
supposed
to
do,
because
they
can't
do
what
everybody
else
can
do
and
they're
being
punished
because
of
their
ratings.
E
Thanks
yeah
can
I
just
quickly
get
back
to
the
previous
question
about
who
is
taking
responsibility
for
again
with
water,
with
EA
and
ramen,
help
for
the
air
quality
and
historic
England
for
the
so
I'm
happy
to
get
that
clarified
and
send
a
letter,
if
necessary,
through
the
offices
or
or
get
some
clarification
from
historical
and
on
what
can
be
done
from
the
borrow
level.
Thank
you
thank.
A
J
We've
had
to
we,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
long-running
conversation.
We
we've
been
trying
to
do
things
with
basic
View
and
we've
got
large
numbers
of
units
in
the
periphery
of
Basingstoke
places
like
viables,
where
we've
demolished
existing
facilities
like
Motorola,
for
instance,
and
put
warehousing
on
so
what
I'm
pleased
to
see
there
is
a
net
increase
in
jobs
I'm
a
bit
concerned.
We
should
be
congratulating
ourselves
that
easily,
because
you
know
what
is
the
nature
of
these
new
jobs
and
how
well
are
they
paying
warehouse?
J
Jobs
are
not,
you
know,
not
not
renowned
for
being
well
paid
jobs
and
some
of
the
terms
and
conditions
I'm
thinking
of
Amazon,
for
instance,
absolutely
appalling.
Some
of
the
agency
workers
that
work
there
gig
economy,
sweated
labor,
is
like
we
were
a
hundred
years
ago
in
terms
of
the
terms
and
conditions,
and
the
government
seems
to
be
rolling
that
back
even
further
with
its
announcements
the
other
day
so
well
today.
J
In
fact,
I'd
like
to
understand
the
nature
of
these
jobs
that
have
been
created
and
are
we
actually
seeing
us
descending
more
into
a
gig
economy,
because
a
lot
of
the
places
that
have
been
redeveloped,
the
the
original
sites
place,
like
Motorola,
for
instance,
had
a
lot
of
high-paid
jobs
and
I.
Don't
see
any
evidence
on
that
in
the
warehouses
that
replace
them.
A
S
Yeah,
thank
you.
The
information
comes
from
the
business
register
and
employment
survey,
so
we
can
provide
detail
on
the
sectors
that
those
additional
jobs
were
in
all
the
change
in
jobs
and
I
think
can
provide
a
bit
more
detail
on
the
geography
of
where
in
the
boat
they
were
so
I
can
provide
that
as
a
written
response.
A
B
O
So
there
remains
an
article
4
on
basing
view,
so
that
removes
permitted
development
rights
for
that,
so
you
can
automatically
change
from
employment
to
residential.
So
it's
not
saying
it
couldn't
happen,
but
you'd
have
to
go
to
the
planning
application
process
to
do
so
so
applications
can
still
come
in
and
we
would
have
to
assess
those
based
on
the
policy.
So,
yes,
a
policy
does
say
300
units,
so
that
would
need
to
be
taken
into
account
in
that
balance
or
when
those
applications
are
looked
at.
B
O
In
relationship
it's
taking
into
account
all
the
criteria
in
the
policy,
I
mean
you're
right
in
terms
of
what
you
say
about
the
overall
aim
of
the
policies
to
retain
it
as
employment
area.
But
there
is
that
flexibility
in
there
and
for
residential.
So
you
would
have
to
look
at
the
scheme
and
if
the
scheme
Works
in
terms
of
place
shaping
how
that
fits
with
the
rest
of
the
employment
uses,
Etc
go
through
that
process.
D
Yeah
I'm
I'm.
This
is
a
flash,
a
photograph
of
a
time
and
I'm
not
going
to
ask
today
where
I
don't
understand
is
we
all
know
what
the
policy
is
amazing
view?
What
I
can't
understand
is
how
a
satellite
University
unit
from
some
University
somewhere
could
be
clarified
or
qualified
as
a
high
quality
employment
site
and
I
I.
Don't
understand
why
this
University
satellite
has
come
from
because
we
heard
it
all
15
years
ago
from
councilor
Finney
when
he
was
a
leader
and
I
I.
O
I'm
unaware
of
look
at
the
details
of
the
scheme
or
anything
it
would
have
to
be
looked
at
in
terms
of
the
actual
policy.
There
is
flexibility
in
the
policy,
it
splits,
basing
you
into
different
areas
and
does
talk
about
flexibility
of
different
uses
in
different
areas.
Other
uses
like
health
and
education,
no,
it's
still
within
the
policy
still
in
the
adopted
local
plan.
So
that
would
be
your
starting
point
where
you
were
looking
at
that.
A
B
O
B
What
would
be
quite
good
in
relation
to
that
is
that
you
know
in
relation
to
this
report
and
I.
Does
it
actually
give
you
the
detail
of
that
and
what
has
been
lost
and
where
it's
been
lost?
Is
it
in
the
report
and
I
suppose
for
me,
it
highlights
I
suppose
what
we
need
to
do
as
part
of
targets
is,
we
need
to
tighten
them
up.
Don't
we
it
if
we're
going
to
have
a
Target
there's
several
that
we've
talked
about
tonight
and
I.
B
Think
again
as
a
piece
of
work
following
this
report,
we
need
to
look
at
some
of
this
and
say:
do
we
want
a
much
tighter
Target?
You
know,
because
members
have
been
a
bit
concerned
tonight
about
some
of
these
areas
of
work
and
I
would
think
that
we
need
to
sort
of
consider
those
and
in
relation
to
retail,
do
we
want.
J
Yeah
I
just
want
some
confirmation
as
to
the
period
that
we're
looking
at
it
appears
to
be
the
calendar
year,
2020
some
of
the
other
parts
of
the
amr's
2019.
It
all
gets
a
bit
confusing.
But
what
I
would
say
is
that
it's
really,
but
when
we
look
at
snapshots,
that's
one
thing,
but
with
retail
we
really
need
to
look
at
the
Delta,
because
we
know
that
the
decline
in
the
Town
Center
is
getting
worse.
And
if
we'll
look
at
2022
figures,
we've
had
the
loss
of
Brighton
Hill
retail
park.
J
That's
been
demolished
and
I
think
some
of
the
individual
units
in
there
were
approaching
2
000
square
meters
and
there's
half
a
dozen
of
them.
So
I
think
we've
got
a
real
urgent
job
of
work
on
our
hands.
What
does
the
loss
of
retail
mean
in
terms
of
the
vibrancy
of
the
borough
and
the
attraction
for
people
to
come
into
basing
state,
but
one
of
the
attractions
is
supposedly
shopping
if
we're
losing
thousands
of
square
meters
of
retail
Choice.
J
By
definition,
that
means
a
lot
of
a
loss
of
choice
for
consumers
and
less
of
an
attraction
to
come
in,
and
maybe
that's
there's
only
so
much.
We
can
do
given
the
accelerated
trend
for
internet
shopping
accelerated
by
the
pandemic,
but
I
would
be
surprised
if
this
is
not
a
red
this
year.
I
would
expect
you
to
go
red
in
subsequent
years,
because
there's
no
there's
no
denying
the
fact
that
retail
in
Basingstoke
is
in
a
bad
way.
J
At
the
moment
we've
held
out
longer
than
other
towns,
I
mean
all
the
shop
has
been
bad
for
a
lot
longer,
but
now
we're
on
the
other
end
of
the
scale
where
the
very
local
places
some
of
the
coastal
towns
seem
to
done
really
well.
Buddy
Sultan
was
mentioned
the
other
days
and
had
some
bit
of
a
Revival
and
some
of
the
other
skegness
and
places
like
that.
But
the
the
big
centers
now
seem
to
be
getting
a
double
whammy
because
of
lack
of
people
going
into
the
office.
J
So
when
you
look
at
loss
of
employment
jobs,
this
is
why
this
net
gain
employment.
Jobs
doesn't
sit
with
what
we're
seeing
with
the
Town
Center
we're
seeing
a
continued
loss
of
retail
and
occupied
premises
in
the
Town
Center,
that's
commensurate
with
fewer
people
going
into
the
Town
Center
fewer
people
with
fewer
money
and
fewer
people
with
well-paid
jobs.
That
would
have
the
money
to
go
into
the
Town
Center
foreign.
D
I
went
to
Winchester
for
Christmas,
I
went
to
basing
state
for
Christmas
and
I
went
to
reading
before
Christmas
and
I'm
telling
you
Winchester
was
buzzing
and
reading
was
teeming
with
people,
I,
I
I,
sadly,
I
think
there's,
there's
there's
too
many
empty
and
empty
retail
sites,
and
we
need.
We
really
need
to
fix
it
and
we
need
to
fix
it
fast.
A
F
I'm,
just
some
clarification,
perhaps
the
head
of
planning
might
be
to
clarify
this
on
page
138.
We've
just
got
this
thing
about
the
refusals
for
applications
in
the
rural
economy.
We've
got
the
one
up
there
about
the
battery
storage
facility
at
minson's,
Lane
Bramley.
My
understanding
was
what
it
was
refused.
It's
an
appeal,
but
is
there
an
update
that
it's
not
an
appeal,
because
we
have
seen
other
entries
where
the
word
appeal
has
been
mentioned
so
I'm
just
quite
interested
to
know
what's
happening.
Thank
you.
O
A
B
Into
relation
to
the
Target,
again,
it's
quite
a
strange
Target,
isn't
it
we
have
a
declining
Leisure
Park
and
it's
it
isn't
any
particular
color.
But
the
target
is
so
I.
Don't
know
what
the
target
is
really
what
it's
saying
when
yeah,
but
it
needs
to
do.
We
need
to
have
targets
there
or
I.
Don't
know
it
I
don't
know
just.
Does
it
work.
O
A
D
Let's
reaffirms
to
all
of
us
members
that
the
local
plan
policy
updates
are
so
pivotal,
because
statements
like
that
that
then
can't
be
evaluated
with
hard
data,
then
just
carry
on
always
being
Gray,
so
you're
making
a
very
good
point,
but
it
just
it
just
reaffirms
to
all
of
us.
How
unbelievably
important
these
local
plan
policy
updates
are
that
haven't
been
finalized
are
going
to
be
to
the
future
of
our
Borough.
A
D
D
and
and
and
and
and
and
I
know,
all
of
us.
My
parents
have
had
serious
problems
accessing
Healthcare
and
how
can
we
preside
over
continued
increases
of
population
of
another
11
every
10
years,
and
not
have
a
section
here,
maybe
specifically
dealing
with
health
and
I'd
like
to
hear
the
cabinet
members
comments
to
us
and
our
residents
in
terms
of
how
are
we
as
a
Borough,
ensuring
that
the
concerns
all
our
residents
are
suffering
from
at
the
moment
are?
Are
that
Solutions
are
being
found?
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
A
E
You
to
attend
one
of
the
Integrated
Health
board
meeting
recently,
where
we
have
raised
all
these
concerns
and
I
said
borrower.
We
are
willing
to
provide
any
sort
of
an
infrastructure
that
they're
facing
is
not
something
like
a
site
or
or
a
building
or
a
structure.
It's
actually
the
Personnel,
that's
exactly
what
they've
been
and
they're
struggling
to
certificate.
E
So
what
what
we
have
been
task
is
from
from
cabinet.
We
have
been
engaging
with
the
health
partners
in
terms
of
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
or
work
to
deliver
better
to
the
councilor
responsible
for
strategic
partnership
has
been
liacing
with
them
in
terms
of
delivering
any
any
health
facilities
within
the
borough.
So
that's
something
we
have
been
working
and
I'm
happy
to
get
some
update
from
Integrated
Health
Board
on
what's
happening
within
our
borrow
in
terms
of
the
health
provision.
A
A
B
Just
because
I
wanted
to
pick
it
up
because,
like
honestly
he's
saying
it
was
Miss,
but
I
I
would
like
to
just
comment
on
Health
in
that
in
2.11.
In
the
earlier
part
of
the
report,
it
said
yeah.
It
says
that
it
talks
about
the
health
of
the
borough
being
very
good,
and
it
relates
to
the
census,
the
2011
census.
We've
talked
tonight
about
the
data
that
we
use
to
measure
this
this
report,
and
this
is
crazy-
that
we're
using
data
that
is
12
years
out
of
date,
I
mean
I.
B
Just
did
some
work.
I
am
working
with
health
in
relation
to
my
own
world,
but
I've
got
data
that
is
available
and
that
relates
to
2019
17
2019,
and
it
talks
about
life
expectancy
of
the
borough.
It
talks
about
in
relation
to
24
year
old,
as
our
emissions
is
significantly
higher
into
Hospital
than
the
rest
of
England.
B
It
talks
about
child
obesity
in
2017-18
and
2019,
and
20
is
higher
than
Hampshire
there's
loads
of
data
out
there
and
for
us
to
put
a
statement
in
the
beginning
of
this
document
to
say
that
the
health
of
the
borough
is
very
good.
I
think
is,
is
not
correct.
In
fact,
it's
factually
incorrect
and
you
know
for
us
to
be
measuring
health
12
years
ago,
or
maybe
you
could
have
got
a
GP,
is
an
issue
in
itself.
F
You
chair
just
a
comment
really
that
infrastructure
is
extremely
close
to
us
behind
the
climate
change
and
and
the
Environmental
challenges
that
we
have,
but
we've
actually
had
all
this
infrastructure.
First
we've.
Actually
this
commitment,
we
will
be
delivering
infrastructure
first,
what
do
I?
It's
I,
know
you're
talking
about
the
Coliseum
this
year,
so
fine,
but
what
I'd
like
to
see
going
forward
some
says
better
or
actually
allow
our
places
to
actually
come
tuition,
for
instance
the
water,
the
sewage
that
type
of
thing,
but
how
are
we
doing
with
it?
R
Thank
you,
Jim.
It's
regarding
education,
basically
investing
stock,
we
haven't
got
much
in
terms
of
higher
education
and
even
we
haven't
got
a
good
college
and
even
we
haven't
got
a
grammar
school,
so
I
know
it
doesn't
come
comes
directly
under
a
council,
but
as
a
council,
what
we
can
do
about
it.
That's
my
question.
E
If
there's
a
provider,
we're
happy
to
work
with
definitely
happy,
but
that's
not
something
within
our
remit
is
something
New
Hampshire
County
Council.
He
will
be
dealing
with
that,
but
if
there
is
a
request
from
either
provider
or
a
Hampshire,
Council
I'm
sure
our
officers
are
happy
to
work
with
and
deliver.
A
A
L
J
So
that's
based
on
the
small
area
population
forecasts
from
Hampshire
County
Council.
How
come
we're
estimating
how
many
dwellings
we've
got
in
the
very
surely
we
should
know
we.
We
have
to
know
because
we're
going
to
be,
you
know
getting
council
tax
from
these
properties
and
the
projected
increase
of
just
over
six
thousand
to
85
170
by
2028..
You
know
how
do
we
arrive
at
that
prediction
that
seems
quite
low
to
me,
given
the
track
record
that
we've
had
with
all
these
windfall
numbers.
A
B
Thank
you.
2.6
talks
about
the
the
borough
is
relatively
more
affordable
than
some
parts
of
the
bar
of
Hampshire,
but
it
remains
a
mismatch
between
earnings
and
house
prices.
I.
Think!
That's
really.
You
know
it's
a
really
important
statement
there,
but
the
reality
is
in
2.7.
It
then
says
that
the
lower
value
private,
rented
housing
is
more
expensive
than
the
southeast
in
the
areas
in
the
Southeast
I
know
it's
only
by
a
smaller
amount,
it's
15
pounds,
but
that's
an
average
but
the
reality.
B
If
you
think
about
it
at
the
moment,
if
you
think
about
tonight's
report,
we're
not
delivering
the
affordable
housing,
we
need.
Therefore
more
and
more
people
who
are
on
low
incomes
are
being
forced
to
live
in
the
private
sector,
and
our
private
sector
within
the
borough
is,
is
predominantly
they're
living
in
Flats,
but
if
they're
not
living
in
Flats
as
well,
it's
dearer,
and
there
is
a
mismatch
between
earnings
and
house
prices
and
therefore
we
we
have
significant
people
that
are
having
to
access
food
banks
and
food
pantries
throughout
the
borough.
B
It's
a
real
problem,
including
people.
No
and
we're
talking
about
people
who
are
in
work
in
work,
poverty,
so
I
think
2.6
and
2.7
I
think
significant
I
think
2.7
sort
of
almost
dismisses
it
as
if
those
because
it's
a
medium
and
in
relation
to
the
lower
quartile
I,
think
it's
a
something
that
we
have
to
really
think
about
in
relation
to
the
earlier
tables
within
the
document.
A
Sorry,
Council
James
we're
just
trying
to
capture
your
point
here:
okay
and
if,
if
I
can
sort
of
paraphrase
effectively
what
you're
saying
is
that
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that
with
the
private
housing?
Okay,
it's
it's
seen
as
being
in
the
the
lower
quartile,
okay
or
the
lower
half
okay,
and
with
the
with
private
rent,
it's
seeing
as
being
above
the
median.
So
it's
expensive
to
to
move
into
the
the
private
rent.
Is
that
correct?
Is
that
a
good
pre-see.
B
So
it's
15
pounds
I
on
average,
and
we
know
that
that
850
is
much
more
than
that,
and
particularly
at
the
moment,
it's
greater
than
that,
so
the
the
red
that
has
been
flagged
earlier
because
we're
not
delivering
enough
affordable
housing
is
exceptionally
important
in
other
areas.
And
what
we're
saying
here
is
there's
a
mismatch
here
between
earnings
and
housing,
and
what
shelter
is
saying
is
people
are
the
reason
why
people
are
in
poverty
and
having
to
use
food
banks
is
because
of
the
cost
of
housing.
B
A
You
very
much
for
for
correcting
my
praise.
Okay,
we
have
got
that
we've
got
that
captured.
Okay.
So
therefore,
is
anybody
asked
any
questions
on
section
two,
even
even
though
section
2.11,
there
is
a
section
on
health,
okay,
right,
okay,
thank
you!
Council
Cupid,
okay,
we're
going
to
very
quickly
on
to
section
three
okay:
does
anybody
have
any
questions
that
are
on
section
three
quickly.
D
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
possible,
whether
it's
satin
stone
that
states
how
many
GPS
we
have
per
head
of
the
population
or
yeah,
how
many
people
yeah
how
many
GPS
we
have
heard
of
the
population,
because
we
know
what
the
norm
should
be
and
we
also
know
that
we've
been
building
thousands
more
houses
than
anybody
else
and
we
also
know
there
are
massive
problems.
So
that
is
a
that
is
a
data
piece
that
we
should
always
be
monitoring
amongst
many
others
that
we
should
be
monitoring.
Does
everybody
agree
with
that?.
A
A
A
D
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
chairman,
so
I
would
like
an
update
on
many
Dam
and
this
1210
in
total
and
whether
we
know
what
that
figure
is
now
for
the
AMR
going
forward
on
page
169,
because,
as
I
said
already,
it's
a
damning
indictment
on
this
Council
inability
and
failure
to
deliver
housing
on
a
site
that
they
bought
in
1996.
That's
the
first
question
and
my
second
question
relates
to
page
181
and
it's
extremely
important.
D
A
D
D
Now
what
what
is
new
here
and
what
I
want
to
know
is
who's
written
this.
It
said
it
says
here:
the
parties
are
in
regular
contact
and
working
collaboratively
for
the
benefit
of
The
Wider
land.
Holding.
Should
this
land
be
allocated
for
development
and
I
want
to
know
what
the
wider
land
holding
is
and
then
it
says
the
intention
is
to
submit
a
hybrid
planning
application
for
the
whole
site
following
the
publication
of
the
reg
18
pre-submission
draft
plan.
D
So
why?
Why
are
we
saying
in
a
document
here,
that's
relating
to
last
year
that
the
County
Council
is
working
together,
collaboratively
and
closely
and
is
in
regular
contact
with
Taylor
wimpy
and
that
they
are
planning
to
put
in
a
hybrid
planning
application
after
the
publication
of
reg,
18,
pre-submission
and
and
which
land
Holdings?
Are
we
talking
about.
O
O
D
There's
one
more
question:
why
would
Hampshire
County
Council
delay
an
outline
planning
permission
for
a
site
that
should
have
been
built
by
2022?
Why?
Why
would
they
wait
till
after
we've
published
our
reggae
team,
and
you
know
I
feel
that
my
residents
in
basing
and
Upton
gray
are
being
played
like
a
fiddle,
because
what
this
tells
me
is
the
planning
application
is
coming
in
after
we've
published
the
reggae
team.
D
Correct
me
if
I'm,
wrong
and
and
and
I
asked
the
head
of
planning
Ruth
earlier
in
the
year
in
the
event,
there's
a
significant
change
to
the
reg
18
after
it's
published.
Can
we
agree,
at
least
as
a
council
go
back
to
Reg
18
so
that
we
can
have
a
proper
consultation,
not
have
something
pounced
on
us
that
is
being
strategically
playing
the
system
by
specifically
stating
that
they
have
no
intention
of
putting
in
the
outline
application
until
after
we
published
our
break
18.?
O
As
I
said,
it
responded
to
a
particular
point
of
time,
so
it's
not
for
me
to
comment
on
County
and
how
they
take
that
site
forward
and
what
what
their
approach
is.
They
will
continue
to
keep
that
under
review.
Now
that
they
are
approach
to
regulating
has
changed.
They
may
well
change
their
approach.
I,
don't
know,
that's
that's
for
them
to
consider,
but
this
is
that
point
in
time.
That
reflects
the
point
time.
A
Okay,
no,
no,
we
do
need
to
move
on
Council
qubit
I
mean
I'm
I'm.
You
know
it's
now
quarter
to
ten
okay.
I
just
want
to
do
you
know,
do
the
work
program.
Maybe
that's
something
you
can
take
up
offline,
okay
to
get
answers
for
your
residents.
Okay,
as
as
to
you
know,
you
know
what
Hampshire
County
Council
are
are
doing
and
what
conversations
are
being
had
with
officers.
Okay,
so
I've
got
one
more
question,
one
final
question
and
that
goes
to
council
Robinson.
Okay,
you
can
be
brief.
M
You
chair
very
briefly,
I
agree
generally
with
councilor
Cuba
over
many
down,
but
comments
you
made
a
few
minutes
ago
is
that
we
bought
many
down
in
1996..
I
was
assured
by
our
chief
executive
a
few
months
ago.
We
did
not
buy
many
down
in
1996.
We
bought
an
option
on
many
down
in
1996.
that
has
a
hugely
different
Financial
impact
on
this
Council
and
I'd
like
it
to
be
clarified
by
one
of
the
officers
exactly
what
the
situation
is.
M
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
So
we
bought
an
option.
Okay.
There
we
go
right.
We
have
appendix
five
okay.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
appendix
five,
but
I'm
also
conscious
the
fact
that
we
are
over
time?
Okay,
if
we
have
a
quick
question
on
on
appendix
5,
then
great,
if
not,
then
going
going
gone,
all
right,
okay,
so
officers.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
tonight.
Okay,
we'll
very
quickly
go
through
the
work
program,
okay
and
and
move
forward.
A
I
Wait:
okay,
yeah,
okay,
so
in
terms
of
the
AMR,
so
we're
really
discussed
the
infrastructure
funding
statement.
The
AMR
in
terms
of
the
Housing
section
we
look
at.
We
need
to
explain
how
we
how
certain
headline
statements
were
made,
for
example,
around
water
quality
improvements,
when
the
detailed
data
show
otherwise
need
to
look
at
the
affordable
housing
Target
via
the
local
Plan
update
and
explain
how
we,
as
local
Authority,
can
ensure
that
sufficient,
affordable
homes
are
built,
particularly
at
a
time
when
developers
are
likely
to
be
citing
viability
as
an
issue.
I
You
need
to
have
a
detailed
discussion
as
a
committee
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
windfall
sites,
provide
an
explanation
on
progress
of
regeneration
in
Buckskin
and
Southampton,
and
Northern
noted
that
there's
a
high
number
of
permitted
development
Flats
in
certain
years,
and
we
expect
these
to
increase
in
the
future.
This
is
a
concern
because
there's
no
supporting
section
106
or
still
money
new
homes
near
nuclear
installations.
I
It's
frustrating
that
we're
not
able
to
build
due
to
restrictions
imposed
by
West
Berkshire,
suggesting
to
have
a
discussion
as
a
committee
about
the
optimal
mix
of
affordable
housing
allocation,
so
that
the
mix
is
more
in
line
with
market
demand
and
another
comment
that
developers
are
going
to
put
Gypsy
and
traveler
pitches
they're
going
to
build
them
right
at
the
very
end.
Based
on
previous
experience.
So
permissions
are
not
a
useful
indicator
for
us
and
also
spoke
about.
I
I
We
need
to
work
out
what
we
do
as
a
local
Authority
and
what
we
want
government
to
do
in
terms
of
improving
water
quality,
as
water
companies
are
not
doing
it
themselves.
We
need
to
think
about
how
we
make
sure
that
we're
using
the
latest
water
monitoring
data.
We
should
be
asking
the
environment
agency
to
provide
annual
data,
not
using
data.
That's
potentially
up
to
three
years
old.
We
should
be
tying
in
our
water
quality
assessments
with
our
nature
recovery
strategy.
How
do
we
do
that?
There
were
some
surprise.
I
Some
surprises
there's
no
new
Air
Quality
Management
areas.
Is
that
because
we're
not
accurately
measuring
air
quality
and
who's,
who
should
be
responsible
for
ensuring
that
that's
accurately
measured,
and
they
need
to
look
at?
How
excuse
me
how
we
Square
energy
conservation
in
in
historic
environments,
with
yet
Square
energy
conservation
with
the
protection
of
the
historic
environment?
And
that's
so.
I
We
need
to
look
at
what
impact
the
loss
of
significant
retail
space
is
having
in
the
borough,
for
example,
in
terms
of
loss
of
visitors
and
then,
finally,
in
terms
of
infrastructure,
the
document
makes
reference
to
2011
census
data,
which
is
now
more
than
10
years
after
date,
and
the
population
has
grown
at
double
digits.
Since
then,
we
need
to
look
at
within
infrastructure.
A
A
Right,
wow,
okay,
so
thank
you
very
much
officers.
Okay.
So
therefore,
just
moving
on
to
the
the
work
work
plan,
okay,
we've
only
got
We've
obviously
got
the
extra
meeting
coming
in
which
we'll
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
the
with
dates.
Okay
and
then
we
have
March
the
second
okay
of
which
we
have
the
Leisure
Park
public
realm
delivery.
Okay,
I
haven't
finished:
okay,
okay,
so
the
Leisure
Park
public
realm
delivery.
A
This
won't
be
ready
for
the
March
meeting,
so
that'll
be
pushed
into
next
year.
Okay,
and
then
we
have
so
what
we
will
have
on
March.
The
second
will
be
maintain
the
immunities
and
green
spaces,
okay
and
also
the
the
housing
and
homelessness
strategy,
which
is
something
that
I
think
is
close
to
everybody's
Hearts
here.
Okay,
so
just
just
hold
on
please
because
I
haven't
finished
and
then
what
we
have
to
be
scheduled
in
the
next
Municipal
year
is
the
infrastructure
delivery
plan
at
Niger
Park
public
realm
delivery?
D
A
Because
in
in
reality,
it's
it's
something
that
we
we
just
we're
not
going
to
have
ready
we're
not
going
to
have
the
report
ready,
okay,
the
infrastructure
delivery
plan,
as
I
understand,
it
is
also
dependent
on
on
housing,
numbers,
okay
and
and
sites,
and
what
what
we
need
is
we
need
to
understand
what
the
housing
number
is.
First
of
all,
okay
and
and
then
it's
it's
built
up
from
there.
So
at
the
moment,
okay,
it
will
be
in
the
next
Municipal
year,
Council
Tomlin.
F
Sorry,
chair,
I
thought,
we'd
had
debate
and
agree
that
that
would
be
the
other
way
around.
That
we
would
be
looking
at
the
infrastructure
would
give
us
the
idea
to
justify
which
sites
come
forward.
Not
let's
justify
the
site
and
then
say:
oh,
let's
fix
the
infrastructure,
that's
not
infrastructure.
First
and
I
thought
I
was
quite
clear.
It's
going
to
be
the
other
way
around
I.
A
I
understand
your
your
comment
but
and
where
you're
coming
from,
but
we
there's
no
point
developing
an
infrastructure
delivery
plan.
You
know
until
we
actually
know
the
number
of
houses
that
we
we
are
looking
to
to
bring
in
okay.
So
so,
therefore
it
will
be
built
upon
on
on
that.
Okay
that
isn't
going
to
be
in
in
this
Municipal
year.