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A
Oh
good
evening,
councilors
and
officers,
it's
half
past
six,
first
of
all
house
bit
of
housekeeping.
We
are
not
expecting
any
fire
alarms
or
anything,
but
if
it
does
go
off
it
will
mean
there
is
a
problem.
So
we
it's
going
out
the
back
and
out
and
me
into
the
park
on
that
one
and
obviously
mobile
phones,
I've,
switched
them
off
or
silence
other
than
that.
I.
Think
on
that
issue,
that's
the
one!
B
Harvey
sorry
chair
a
couple
of
bits:
if
I
could,
on
the
Circo
item
13
stroke,
22.
I
just
wanted
to
pick
up
the
point
about
where
it's
coming
back
to,
because
we
raised
that
at
the
end
as
to
it
wasn't
just
left.
As
the
item
finished
resolve,
the
committee
noted
the
presentation,
but
we
also
wanted
them
back
again.
Didn't
we
and
I'm
just
conscious
of
that
to
be
recorded.
If
we
could
capture
that.
A
A
B
The
final
bullet
points
says
opposed
to
1800
dwellings,
but
the
preceding
bullet
point
is
a
little
confusing
and
it's
the
point
that
I
was
making
at
the
time
the
strategy
needed
to
tie
in
with
the
local
plan,
in
particular
the
height
of
block
of
flats
at
the
density
of
the
area.
It
wasn't
so
much
that
it
tied
in
with
the
local
plan.
It
was
the
point
that
what
was
being
said
was
something
we
were
objecting
to.
There
was
real
concern
about
the
height
of
the
buildings
in
the
policies
and
the
way
the
policies
were
written.
B
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
couple
of
thoughts
really
to
to
embellish
this
I'm
conscious,
we've
not
got
the
proceeding
in
terms
of
reference
that
used
to
exist,
I'm,
not
sure
whether
these
are
simply
a
carbon
copy
of
what
was
so
I'm,
not
sure
on
that
point,
but
just
to
pick
up
a
couple
of
points
on
them.
Nonetheless,
the
chair
of
the
panel
will
make
a
report
to
the
scrutiny
committee
as
appropriate
on
recommended
actions.
B
There
should
be
a
record
of
the
meeting
anyway,
regardless
of
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not.
There
should
just
be
a
record
shouldn't
there
somewhere
that
it
met
and
that
the
meeting
did
take
place
rather
than
just
as
appropriate.
Coming
back,
it's
not
limited.
So
how
do
we
record
that
the
panel
met
and
the
panel
did
something
if
it's
not
appropriate?
B
I'm
just
intrigued
one
there's!
No,
no
minutes
really.
In
that
sense,
it
just
I've
never
come
across
that
we're
a
panel
with
me
and
there'd
be
I,
get
it
from
a
member's
advisory
panel
from
the
cabinet,
but
I've,
never
known
a
panel
me
or
a
committee
of
the
council
meet
without
any
minutes
being
taken.
B
A
A
C
F
So
I'm,
just
picking
up
on
the
terms
of
reference,
are
we
saying,
within
those
terms
of
reference
at
the
they're
going
to
meet?
How
often
are
is
the
committee
going
to
meet
or-
or
the
group
came
to
me?
Is
it
saying
every
six
months?
Is
that
what
it's
saying
I
didn't
think
that's
enough.
I
I
think
that
I
think
the
piece
of
work
that
this
committee
should
do
is
crucial
and
I
think
it
should
be
historically
it
used
to
meet
more
than
that
and
I
think
it
needs
to
meet
much
more
often
and
I.
F
F
G
So
I
suppose
I
I
agree
with
you
that
I
think
those
things
absolutely
need.
Looking
at
I.
Just
wonder
if
actually
that's
better,
as
a
committee
for
us
to
do,
and
almost
for
as
part
of
the
terms
of
reference,
perhaps
for
the
performance
panel
to
highlight
areas
that
are
worth
Professor
scrutiny
of
the
full
conscription
committee.
G
A
F
If
you
you
know
so,
I
would
want
I'm
not
on
this
committee,
so
I,
but
you
know
I
would
want
to
say,
look
at
housing
a
whole
whole
area
of
housing
against
the
homeless
strategy,
the
housing
strategy,
all
the
other
aspects
of
housing
and
against
what
we've
already
got
and
what
we
should
have
in
there.
You
know
and
I'll
raise
it
later,
but
you
know
we
used
to
have
kpis
on
empty
homes:
they're
not
there.
Now.
F
Why
aren't
they
there
now
and
I
would
want
those
to
be
included
in
in
future
kpis.
There
was
what
so
you
know,
there's
a
whole
area,
and
how
do
you
do
it's
quite
a
detailed
piece
of
work
and
do
you
do
that
in
this
committee?
Or
do
you
do
it
in
in
the
performance
panel
committee?
That
then,
does
that
and
then
reports
back
to
this
committee
as
to
what
it's
done,
foreign.
C
C
The
previous
committee
chair,
along
with
the
sorry
the
previous
panel
chair,
along
with
the
panel
at
the
time,
decided
that
actually
there
wasn't
enough
difference
between
the
kpis
each
quarter
and
therefore
they
were
the
ones
that
asked
for
it
to
move
to
a
twice
a
yearly
meeting,
because
they
felt
that
there
was
actually
more
information
to
discuss
during
those
sessions.
The
types
of
things
that
you're
just
discussing
now
are
things
that
would
be
key
items
on
the
normal,
the
full
scrutiny
agenda.
So
it's
not.
C
You
can't
bring
them
back,
but
they
would
be
heard
by
the
committee
rather
than
just
the
panel.
So
the
panel
really
is
about
looking
at
the
performance
monitoring
itself
and
as
councilor
Golding
is
noted.
Generally
then
identifying
where
they've
got
key
concerns,
bringing
that
back
to
committee
to
decide
on
whether
there
is
a
gender
item
you
want
to
bring
to
committee.
B
You
chair
I'm,
just
picking
that
up
then,
if
the
performance
panel
is
going
to
meet
to
do
effectively.
Retrospective
Performance
Management
I
understand
that.
But
if
this
committee
is
then
going
to
commit
to
having
an
agendaed
item
on
a
regular
basis
to
review,
for
example,
green
infrastructure
strategy
says
we
should,
if
the
kpis
well
do
we
and
if
we
don't,
why
don't
we
and
should
we,
the
housing
strategy,
says
we
should
have
these
kpis?
Why
don't
we
and
again
so
there's
a
review
mechanism
within
that?
C
So
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
understand
what
those
issues
are
and
ensure
that
they're
not
already
scheduled
in
for
cep
or
eph,
so
that
there's
obviously
as
long
as
they're
having
scrutiny
and
overview.
It's
obviously
picking
up
here
anything
that's
not
already
within
the
work
program
that
you
feel
that
you
need
to
have
a
look
at.
B
Forgiveness
I
mean
just
thinking
about
that
point.
Say:
cep
gets
the
agree,
infrastructure
strategy
to
review.
It
will
review
the
strategy
and
approve
it
in
that
strategy.
There'll
be
a
set
of
kpis
cep,
doesn't
decide
which
kpis
do
and
don't
get
into
the
documents
and
get
into
the
who
we,
as
members
somehow
have
got
to
capture.
Who
decides
that
point
and
then
understand
what
they
are
in
the
form
of
the
presentation
and
the
spreadsheet
we
get.
C
So
it
if
you
take
the
green
infrastructure
and
the
green
strategy
actually
as
part
of
the
regular
updates
that
go
back
to
the
other
overview
committees,
they
do
actually
look
at
how
they
are
actually
performing
so
but
I
think
it's
it's
a
case
of
actually.
What
is
it?
You
want
to
bring
back
once
you've
reviewed
the
kpis
and
then
understanding
where
they
might
may
best
fit
into
the
work
program.
B
I'm
totally
confused
and
I
apologize
cabinet
cannot
Mark
its
own
homework
cabinet
can't
be
the
Arbiter
of
what
kpr
is.
Scrutiny.
Has
the
responsibility
as
a
healthy,
critical
friend
to
say
these
are
the
kpis
we
wish
to
look
at
for
the
organizations?
Surely
there's
got
to
be
some
relationship
there
cabinet
itself
can't
set
the
kpis?
Surely
not
that's
not
an
executive
function?
Is
it
no?
Is
it
should
it
be?
Is
it
so
they
actually
get
to
set
their
own
homework
so.
F
F
What
is
a
complaint
as
against
when
somebody
writes
in
and
they're
not
happy
about
something,
so
we
need
to
look
at
the
whole
area
of
customer
satisfaction,
the
customer
service
and,
and
then
is
there
then
going
to
be
another
kpi
that
sits
underneath
that
that
relates
to
when
a
resident
writes
in
that
they're
not
happy
with
something
they're
raising
an
issue
and
whether
it
was
dealt
with
because
they
assume
that
that's
a
complaint.
But
looking
into
that
that
isn't
a
complaint,
so
I
I
think
there's
what
we
need.
F
There's
a
big
piece
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
as
to
what
kpis
are
going
to
be
within
this
full
document
and
I.
Think
it's!
You
know
that
that's
and
I'm
not
sure
that
this
can
be
done
within
this
committee.
I
think
it's
very
detailed
piece
of
work,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
done
outside
of
this
and
fed
back
into
that
and
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
right
that
Jackie
writes
the
report.
She
may
be
happy
to
do
that,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
for
her
to
do
that.
F
C
On
the
last
piece,
because
that's
obviously
just
the
Constitution
and
the
way
it
works
at
the
moment,
Jackie
doesn't
have
to
do
a
written
report.
She
can
just
do
a
verbal
update,
that's
what
she
wishes
to
do
in
terms
of
what
you're
talking
about
sitting
these.
This
is
the
corporate
scorecard.
So
these
are
the
things
I
I.
You
know
overall,
for
the
organization
sitting
below
that
there
are
service
plans
that
have
a
whole
raft
of
kpis
and
indicators
that
support
the
individual
service
areas.
C
So
obviously
you
will
have
missed
the
conversation
that
we've
previously
had
at
this
committee.
That
talked
about
the
fact
that
we
plan
to
publish
those
so
that
actually
there
is
information
that,
at
a
lower
level,
which
is
about
how
the
service
operationally
operates
as
opposed
to
how
that
meets
the
corporate
objectives
that
sit
in
the
corporate
scorecard,
so
those
that
those
kpis
do
currently
exist
and
I
wouldn't
expect,
for
example,
to
bring
the
entire.
C
You
know
customer
services
piece
back
so,
interestingly
in
or
will
now
be,
hopefully
January.
The
customer
strategy
is
coming
to
scrutiny.
The
the
new
draft
of
that
scrutiny,
which
obviously
gives
you
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
whole
customer
piece
in
terms
of
the
kpis
it
would
be
if
you
had
a
specific
concern,
because
obviously
the
customer
services
piece
ain't
process
practice
Etc
the
way
in
which
all
the
systems
work
are
all
audited
and
they
go
toward
An
accounts
committee.
C
H
A
I
do
accept
what
you're
saying
about
the
minute
and
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
that
at
some
stage.
Oh,
but
that's
a
side
on
that.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
look
at
things,
but
if
we
make
the,
if
we
make
it
too
big
we'll
end
up
looking
at
everything
and
getting
and
nothing
will
come
out
because
there'll
be
too
much,
we've
got
to
do
it
piecemeal,
I
suppose
you
would
say
so
we
would.
A
So
if
we're
looking
at
housing,
for
instance,
we
have
a
problem
with
I,
don't
know
if
I'll
do
a
safe
bed
and
breakfast
or
whatever,
or
what
is
happening
to
homeless
people.
That
is
a
piece
of
work
that
can
come
here.
We
can
look
at
and
we
say
well
we're
not
really
getting
deep
enough
into
it.
Can
we
put
it
on
to
another
working
party
or
Jack?
A
E
E
I
think
yeah
and
I
agree.
I,
think
I
mean
I've.
You
know
got
along
with
the
six
months,
as
that
was
sort
of
recommended,
I
think
which
was
based
on
officers,
workloads
and
things
and
how
things
work,
but
I
do
think.
Maybe
even
if
it
was
quarterly.
That
might
be
better
because
it
will
give
us
a
better
chance
to
have
an
opportunity
and
if
there
isn't
a
lot
to
be
looked
at
because
everything's
hunky-dory,
then
that
would
be
fine.
E
F
Cep
or
in
audit
all
those
things
are
concerns.
How
do
you
chair
pick
up
those?
So
if,
when
we're
looking
at
the
green
infrastructure
strategy
in
eph,
who,
in
relation
to
some
of
those
aspects
that
need
to
be
scrutinized-
or
you
know
that
need
a
kpi
or
not
have
a
kpi?
Who
is
doing
that
piece
of
work
across
the
board?
That
then
would
feed
back
into
the
performance
panel.
C
So
it'll
be
up
for
each
committee.
If
they
want
to
make
a
recommendation
to
scrutiny,
they
would
obviously
do
that
and
that
would
come
through
the
recommendations
of
that
particular
committee.
They
I
would
not
perceive
that
another
committee
would
recommend
something
goes
to
Performance
panel.
They
were
probably
recommended
to
go
to
another
formal
committee.
G
Thank
you
I.
So,
as
a
committee
chair
myself
for
me,
I
would
expect
that
to
come
through
on
a
work
program,
request
which
are
really
easy
to
fill
out,
but
that
would
be
really
helpful
in
terms
of
I
want
to
see
this
kpl.
You
know
I
want
to
look
at
the
kpis
for
this
area.
I
want
to
look
at
this
I
want
to
look
at
that.
If
you
can
be
that
specific
on
a
work
program
request
form,
then
we
can
know
that
we
can
get
a
really
good
report.
G
E
Question
is
this
an
indicator
that
perhaps
we're
not
working
our
systems
properly,
that
are
currently
in
place
and
the
processes
we've
got
in
place
and
maybe
that's
what
we
need
to
scrutinize,
maybe
we
don't
and
which
is
why
the
panel
was
disbanded
previously,
because
it
kind
of
all
wasn't
there.
It's.
C
Obviously,
scrutiny
and
overview
protocol
went
to
council
last
time
and
was
approved
so
we
have
just
approved
the
actual
scrutiny
view
protocol
and
obviously
it
is
part
of
the
conversations
that
are
going
through
the
Constitutional
working
group
and
we'll
form
part
of
the
Constitution
update.
So
that
is
actually
currently
being
scrutinized
and
discussed.
B
Just
on
that
point,
I
think
the
idea
of
using
task
and
finish
panels
has
been
an
important
conversation
far
more
than
we
currently
do,
because
not
everything
can
be
done
in
committee
and
that's
where
the
performance
panel
comes
in
really
important,
because
you
can
do
that
deep
dive
piece
of
work
that
the
committee
can't
necessarily
do
itself.
The
point
about
the
the
work
program
request
forms
are
sometimes
perhaps
an
eph
and
cep
when,
for
example,
the
green
infrastructure
strategy
or,
for
example,
other
things
come
forward,
because
that's
what
I
can
think
about
at
the
moment.
B
If
the
debate
of
the
committee
is
such
that
there
are
things
that
fall
out
of
that
as
recommendations,
the
team
supporting
with
the
chair
as
the
officer
team
support
need
to
be
able
to
reference
to
yourself
to
reference
to
the
chair
of
performance
that
there's
this
linkage
going
on
and
at
the
moment
that
linkage
isn't
there,
because
it
either
relies
on
us
as
members
to
make
that
work
request.
Or
if
the
recommendation
is
on
the
floor
of
the
committee,
because
you've
read
the
paper.
You've
discussed
the
point.
Nonetheless
part
of
that
recommendation.
B
That
comes
should
be.
We
need
somebody
else
to
look
at
this.
We
need
somebody
else
to
do
that
and
that
isn't
going
on
by
those
two
committees
that
they
can
do,
because
the
Constitution
now
allows
it
to
happen.
We've
just
got
to
physical,
and
that
puts
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
pressure
on
them
services
to
whether
they've
got
the
resources
to
do
that.
For
us,
which
raises
the
question
we've
been
asking
for
a
long
time.
C
C
A
On
a
do,
you
want
to
sum
this
up
a
little
bit
otherwise
we'll
be
talking
around
all
evening
as
to
share
I.
Don't
want
to
miss
anything.
I
want
this.
This
is
here
to
scrutinize,
so
I
need
to
put
that
down
as
a
starter,
but
what
we
need
to
do
as
as
counts.
The
custom
as
chair
will
come
back
and
feedback
into
us.
A
If
we
feel
we
need
to
look
deeper
into
these
things,
we
will
I
promise
you
that
I,
don't
we're
not
I,
don't
think
we're
anybody's
trying
to
sideline
anything
we're
trying
to
get
the
procedures
right
so
and
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
it's.
Maybe
something
I
need
to
talk
to
officers
about,
and
perhaps
yourselves,
but
we
need
to
get
this
off
the
ground
starting
and
see
how
far
we're
going
if
it's
not
doing
what
we
hope.
It's
it's
doing,
I
need
to
know
as
chair,
so
do
so
do
the
rest
of
the
councilors.
A
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
we
need
to
sum
up
where
we're
going
with
this
before
the
next
meeting,
or
are
you
a
share
happy
with
a
written
report?
You
can
do
at
the
moment
and
feed
us
back
and
say
that
you
need
more
helpful,
no
help
whatever
is
that
they're,
the
sort
of
things
I'm
not
and
I,
think
we
we
as
counselors
need
to
be
saying
that
if
we're
not
and
it's
not
the
officer's
fault,
it's
the
way.
It
is
it's
the
way
the
council
has
been
set
up.
A
We
need
to
know
if
we're
not
coping
with
what
what
doing
committee's
subcommitters.
If
it's
not
working,
we
need
to
know,
but
we
also
need
to
get
on
and
do
it.
But
if
we
put
too
much
work
in
the
beginning,
we'll
lose
the
emphasis
of
what
we're
doing,
but
I
do
accept.
We
need
to
get
it
right
in
it,
even
if
it
has
to
come
back
again
at
some
stage.
We'll
do
that.
Sorry.
C
So
so,
if
I
may
suggest
that
we
amend
these
terms
of
reference
to
quarterly
add
the
fourth
bullet
point,
which
is
to
review
of
service
areas
of
any
issues
of
concern,
and
then
I
would
suggest
that
we
perhaps
have
two
of
the
panels
and
then
needed
re-review.
The
terms
of
reference
at
the
beginning
of
the
new
Municipal
year.
A
A
C
C
And
so
I'm,
just
very
briefly
going
to
say
that,
obviously
this
is
the
third
time
that
has
come
back
to
scrutiny.
We've
obviously
taken
away
a
number
of
comments
from
members
and
looked
at
those
Nadine
will
take
you
through
the
the
feedback
to
those
queries
that
have
been
raised
and
how
they've
now
been
reflected
in
the
scorecard
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
E
You
can
just
call
me
Jackie
if
you
prefer
forgetting
I,
just
wanted
to
point
out,
because
on
the
comments
which
I've
been
very
kindly
put
into
these,
there
is
one
other
there's
only
the
Ten
of
them
and
the
one.
That's
more
of
a
general
comment,
isn't
on
the
list
so
just
to
make
everyone
be
aware
of
that
in
case
they
refer
just
to
this.
E
I
Yes,
sorry
I
was
going
to
cover
that
when
I
spoke,
but
that's
fine,
because
it
didn't
kind
of
fit
anywhere
else.
So
so
what,
as
Sue
has
just
said,
what
you've
got
in
front
of
you
is
a
copy
of
the
9.4
comments
from
the
report
which
basically
goes
through
in
order
in
line
with
the
scorecard.
So
it
makes
it
much
easier
for
us
to
discuss
and
agree
the
recommendations
that
go
forward
to
Cabinet
from
tonight.
I
So
if
it's
all
right
with
everyone,
I'll
just
start
with
the
fit
for
future
on
the
the
extra
sheet
you've
got
and
then
we'll
take
the
conversation
from
there.
So
is
everyone
happy
that
actually,
what
was
addressed
or
what
was
raised
in
the
ffao
one
is,
is
accurate
and
is
that
is
okay
now
and
that
we
can
agree
that
one.
C
A
E
I
did
I
just
was
it
is
under
the
fit
for
the
future.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
question
about
the
end
of
year
appraisal
completions,
because
we
had
a
target
of
100
and
it
was
only
down
here.
It
says
5.3
percent,
which
obviously
is
really
bad
in
that
kind
of
a
potential
detrimental
effect
on
staff
Etc.
Thank
you.
C
So
it's
previously
reported
to
committee.
The
appraisals
have
been
done.
It
was
the
fact
at
the
time
of
doing
the
actual
performance
indicators.
At
year
end
we
were
transferring
to
the
new
appraisal
system,
so
they've
now
been
put
onto
the
new
system,
but
at
the
time
of
actually
the
reporting
period
they
hadn't
never
on
the
system,
but
they
were
completed.
F
So,
just
on
that
point,
what
we
should
have
here
is
a
little
asterisk.
That
explains
that,
because
that's
sort
of
when
you
look
at
that
I,
it
really
stood
out
for
me
and
I
thought
gosh.
This
is
appalling.
It's
you
know
so
I
wasn't
raised
the
same
point.
So
I
think
it
in
the
report.
It
should
have
a
little
asterisk
underneath
that
table
bit
there
just
to
say
that
and
explain
that
to
members.
J
I
I
think
the
reduction
in
the
Target
reflects
that
we
don't
always
have
100
of
Staff
in
at
that
time,
so
it
allows
for
so.
If
there's
a
long-term
absence,
for
example,
then
that
appraisal
won't
be
carried
out
at
that
particular
time.
Obviously
it
would
be
picked
up
later,
but
it
just
gives
us
that
that
area,
foreign.
A
F
Relation
to
the
ffco6,
if
you
could
explain
that
because
when
I
asked,
who
the
equality
and
diversity
officer
was,
we
didn't
have
one
and
when
I
asked
Julia
I
asked
her
when
did
they
meet
and
they
hadn't
met
for
some
very
long
time.
Well,
I
think
it
was
years,
in
fact.
So
if
you
could
explain
to
me
who
the
equality
and
diversity
offers
is
when
do
they
meet
in
relation
to
the
members
on
that
group?
And
what
is
that
Target
there.
C
The
the
EDI
members
group
has
been
continuing
to
meet
so
I'm,
not
sure
why
you've
been
told
it
hasn't
met.
We've
also
had
the
replacement,
which
is
the
EDI
Forum,
which
again
is
now
being
wrapped
up
into
I.
Think
it's
going
into
cep,
I
think
I
remember
so
it
has
been
meeting
but
I'm
happy
to
provide
the
committee
afterwards
of
the
next
Suite
of
dates
in
terms
of
when
those
committee,
when
those
panels
meet.
B
C
So
there's
a
a
significant
action
plan
around
EDI,
of
which
we
obviously
Endeavor
to
do
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
each
year
on
that
EDI
action
plan.
So
there
was
no
Baseline
for
previous
years,
but
what
we're
saying
is
we
should
be
setting
an
aspirational
Target
of
at
least
95
of
the
actions
on
that
action
plan
are
progressed.
I
E
And
I'm
improving
safety,
yep
I've,
isd01
reduction
in
anti-social,
behavior.
There's
two
points
on
this
one
number
one.
Obviously
we
it's
very
difficult
for
the
council
to
know
exactly
how
much
anti-social
behavior
is
going
on
because
it's
dependent
on
what's
reported,
and
it
also
says
that
the
target
is
actually
to
make
sure
the
reduction
is
less
than
18
percent,
which
I'd
have
thought
that
should
either
be
greater
than
or
equal
to
18.
E
If
for
that
perspective,
although
what
I
think
would
be
a
nicer
way
to
read,
this
would
be
a
successful
resolution
in
the
sort
of
joint
agency
ASB
cases
to
show
that
we're
actually
achieving
things
with
joint
agency
work,
because,
obviously
you
don't
know
what's
going
on
out
there
because
things
don't
get
reported,
but
you
do
know
about
stuff
that
you're
trying
to
get
resolved
so
I
think
that
would
just
be
a
much
much
better
way
to
start
monitoring.
Asb.
H
I
I
just
wanted
to
just
double
check
that
actually
the
the
allowance
that
we've
made
further
two
previous
comments
before
in
relation
to
isd02,
which
is
about
local
residents
feeling
safe
I.
Think
previously
we
had
I'm
gonna
get
this
around
the
wrong
way.
I
know
we
had
that
they
felt
safe
during
the
day
we've
now
added
in
as
requested,
but
feeling
safe
at
night
time
or
after
one
o'clock.
I
E
Sorry
check
because
it's
kind
of
clarify,
because
I'm
just
a
bit
confused
because
I
read
this
to
say
it's
a
reduction
in
anti-social
behavior
and
we
want
that
reduction
to
be
less
than
18.
So
we
that
it
just
says
to
me
that
we
actually
want
to
limit
how
much
we
reduce
anti-social
Behavior
by
even
if
we
look
at
it
from
that
perspective,
that
from
that
perspective,
that
sounds
to
me
like
that's
the
wrong
way
round,
it
could
be
down
to
wording
so
I'm.
You
know
just
just
clarification
really.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
councilor
yeah
I
think
we've
probably
got
the
arrow
the
wrong
way
around,
but
as
I
say,
I
I
must
Echo
the
chairs
points
that
we,
if
this
is
about
our
performance,
rather
than
anything
that
we
do
with.
Because,
obviously,
as
you
know,
ASB
is
a
is
a
multi-faceted
beast
and
we
obviously
do
our
own
survey
work
and
measurement
with
with
members
of
the
public
through
the
cspo
team,
and
that
reflects
our
own
data
rather
than
the
data
that's
gathered
through
the
social
behavior
panels
or
the
county
work.
A
K
Yeah
and
I
think
that,
from
from
our
perspective,
as
as
an
authority,
we're
pretty
clear
about
that,
there's,
obviously
a
massive
crossover,
as
you
say,
and
that
alludes
obviously
to
the
point
that
councilor
tostain
is
making
between
what
is
dealt
with
by
the
police.
What
is
dealt
with
by
by
our
officers
and
the
crossover
between,
and
this
is
why
we
do
our
own
data
gathering
for
them,
foreign.
F
F
concern
around
that,
for
me,
is,
was
it
that
they
were
in
bed
and
breakfast
for
four
weeks
and
six
days.
I'd
want
something
a
bit
more
around
that
because
they
could
effectively
be
in
there
just
one
day
less
than
the
six
weeks,
and
the
other
thing.
That
historically,
is
that
our
out
of
area
or
is
that
amazing
Stoke
so
I'd
want
a
definition
as
to
whether
that's
in
Basin
steak
and
Dean,
or
are
those
people
being
placed
in
Manchester
or
wherever
Southampton
is
so
I?
Think
it's
important
that
we
def.
F
K
I
will
boldly
represent
Ms
Randall
here
in
her
absence.
The
certainly
isc01
is
an
absolute
figure
counselor,
so
it's
number
placed
in
whether
they're
in
for
a
day
or
whenever.
So
we
obviously
look
to
avoid
that,
so
it's
just
those
were
placed
in
in
the
quarter,
so
that
that's
a
measure
of
of
just
how
many
we
put
in
I
appreciate
your
concern,
but
there's
no
time
limit
there
other
than
the
fact
that
we
just
don't
want
to
put
them
in
it,
which
is
why
we
actually
count
that
we
certainly
are.
F
But
I
think
it's
important
and
as
part
of
this
I
would
want
to
know
that
I
mean
you're,
saying
you
think
that
and
but
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
definite
and
I.
Also
you're,
saying
that
the
target
says
that
it's
for
anything
up
to
six
weeks
but
I
would
want
to
know
you
know
as
I
think
it's
important.
We
have
an
understanding
of
that.
A
C
B
Thank
you
chair
just
a
couple
of
things.
Bearing
in
mind
this
is
the
the
other
corporate
priorities.
The
corporate
scorecard,
if
you
like
regeneration,
is
becoming
an
important
Target
or
an
important
priority.
There's
nothing
in
here
really
covering
regen
I
think
they
should
be.
So
that's
one
to
take
away
to
think
about
I.
Think
in
terms
of
how
you
capture,
where
we
capture
regeneration
and
what
you
would
capture
so
that
needs
some
thought.
B
H
C
B
So
what
are
the
conversations
we've
been
having-
and
this
is
to
be
discussed
in
other
places-
is
what
we
understand
to
mean
by
regeneration.
If
regeneration
is
only
going
to
be
the
physical
thing,
so
another
the
planning
areas,
all
the
rest
of
it.
It's
just
going
to
be
out
physical
yeah,
exactly
so
planning
for
the
future.
B
B
Yet,
just
simply
talking
bricks
and
mortar,
isn't
there
the
other
one
to
think
about
as
well
is
just
just
again
perhaps
under
the
planning
one
and
not
here,
but
it's
related
to
housing
is
how
many
people
have
been
through
the
system
as
applying
to
The
Authority
for
help
and
being
turned
down
for
help
with
that
capture
as
a
kpi
should
it
be
here
and
if
it
isn't,
is
it
captured
somewhere
else?
So
that's
important
how
many
people
are
applying
for
assistance
from
the
council
and
they're
not
getting
it?
Do
we
record
that
so?
G
B
So
again,
I
guess
the
question
is:
where
do
we
capture
that
information?
So
if
we're
saying
we're
meeting
our
static
responsibility
is
one
thing,
but
if
we're
actively
turning
people
away
for
whatever
reason
that
might
be,
surely
that
data
must
be
captured
somewhere
in
order
to
understand
the
circumstance
that
we
are
actually
turning
people
away
for
whatever
right
reasons
right
the
wrong
way,
I'm
not
suggesting,
but
surely
that
must
be
captured
somewhere
shouldn't
it.
It's
just
not
left.
C
F
In
relation
to
what
there's
two
here,
but
one
in
relation
to
iseo
four
new
placements
into
private
center
sector
accommodation
using
the
rent,
Bond
I,
was
wondering:
why
is
the
target
64
.
and
is
and
then
we
we
actually
place?
The
actual
placement
was
79.
So
is
there
more
budget
for
us
to
have
a
higher
Target?
F
F
A
F
C
F
I
can
I
ask
in
relation
to
I
think
it's
o.
I
s
e
08
ensure
minimum
levels
of
rough
sleeping
are
maintained.
What
does
that
actually
mean
minimum
levels?
I
think
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
very
clear.
What
do
we
want
to
achieve
there?
Minimum
levels
I
thought
that
when
we
had
the
Covenant
for
housing,
what's
his
name,
I
can't
remember
his
brother
Robinson.
He
said
there
was
no
rough
sleepers,
so
is
it
that
we
should
have
no
rough
sleepers?
K
H
C
What
we're
trying
to
say
is
we
are
trying
to
maintain
the
very
positive
performance
that
we
have
in
terms
of
rough
sleepers,
so
we'll
think
about
how
we
can
word
that
slightly
differently,
but
obviously
picking
up
the
point
that
Rob's
just
said:
there's
no
way
that
you
know
we
could
aim
to
have
zero,
but
actually
the
reality
is
that
we're
never
going
to
achieve
that
Target,
because
there
will
always
be
some
instances
where
that
you
know
the
situation
arises.
Where
they
are.
B
B
Policy
position
established
if
we're
saying
we
can't
achieve
that,
I
respect
that.
But
then
you
can't
have
the
statement
that
says
we
are
going
to
have
no
real
Sleeping.
You
can't
have
it
both
ways,
so
someone's
got
to
be
right
in
that
position.
So
if
this
office
says
that's
fine,
if
it's
the
cabinet
member,
then
with
all
due
respect
that
becomes
the
Target,
because
the
cabinet
member
political
lead
has
said
we
will
not
have
any
rough
sleeping.
C
A
I
understand,
no
one
wants
rough
sleepers,
no
one
wants
to
be
homeless,
so
the
target
should
be
there
and
if
it
fails
it's
it's
one
of
those.
You
can't
control
and
I
do
accept
what
the
officers
saying,
but
so
we
need
to
hang
on.
We
need
to
have
something
there.
That's
solid
and
I
believe.
Perhaps
we
should
be
recommending
that
we
have
no
rough
sleepers,
full
full
stop
when
we
got
them.
We
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
failed,
but
there's
the
answer
is:
there's
not
a
lot
we
can
do
about
it.
F
Because
if
if
the
target
then
shows
that
we
have
rough
sleep
as
if
we're
saying
we
want
no
rough
sleepers
and
then
you
show
this
15,
we
have
failed
as
a
council,
but
then
we
have
to
do
something
about
it
and
then
it's
about
a
political
decision
to
build
another
hostel
or
to
do
more
supported
housing.
Or
to
do
so,
we
would
have
to
look
at
it
and
do
something
about
it.
You
know,
that's,
then,
for
us
to
look
at,
isn't
it.
C
So
so
I
would
give
a
different
example.
For
example,
if
I
took
council
tax
in
an
Ideal
World,
we
would
want
to
collect
100
of
council
tax,
but
obviously
this
is
about
trying
to
set
a
suite
of
indicators
that
we
as
a
council
and
officers
can
actually
perform
to.
So
there
is
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
in
an
Ideal
World
the
council
plan
says
we
don't
want
any
rough
sleepers,
but
as
officers
operating
within
that
policy,
this
is
the
indicators
that
we're
working
to
so
yeah.
C
It's
not
the
intention
to
set
the
indicators
up
so
that
every
year
that
we
fail,
so
you
know
there
is
a
balance
between
what
is
actually
you
know
the
reality
in
terms
of
performance
where
we
think
that
should
be
and
is
in
is
that's
acceptable,
so
could
be
saying.
Well,
do
you
know
what
we'll
never
have
more
than
five
rough
sleepers
in
the
borough?
A
I
think
what
the
councils
are
trying
to
get
so
they.
What
we
want
is
the
information
really
is.
If
we've
got
rough
sleepers,
then
as
a
council,
we
should
be
either
putting
more
money
in
or
whatever
from
there,
but
if
we,
if
the
indicators
aren't,
are
showing
that
we're
hitting
a
Target
it
it's
like
say:
we've
hit
a
Target,
but
there's
still
rough
sleepers.
It's
Catch
22
all
the
time.
In
my
view,.
B
B
Therefore,
the
target
has
to
reflect
that,
because
that's
what
has
been
set,
we're
not
saying
out
there
to
the
residents,
we're
saying
to
you:
no
rough
sleepers,
but
actually
in
our
own
corporate
thing,
we'll
accept
to
because
two's
the
target
we
set
ourselves
privately.
You
can't
have
it
like
that
if
the
target
policy
is
zero,
then
in
those
circumstances,
because
it's
been
openly
problemated
as
such,
it's
been
out
there
and
said
as
such
I
think
it
has
to
be
zero,
and
if
we
fail
it,
we
fail
it,
but
that's
the
test
that
others
have
set.
G
A
What
we're
saying,
as
a
committee,
we
want
it
as
a
recommendation
that
there
will
be
no
rush
sleepers
in
business,
so
that
would
be
the
target.
Is
that
what
we
agree
and
then
from
then
on?
If
there
is,
we
can
then
actually
collect
the
cabinet.
There
is,
and
they
can
either
come
back
and
do
something
about
it
or
whatever.
J
Sorry
I
so
isb01
no
I'm
wrong
again
wait.
A
second
is
e01.
That's
the
one
I
was
looking
for
at
the
moment,
it's
less
than
or
equal
to
20..
This
is
Target,
and
also
next
year's
Target
we've
managed
to
hit
14..
So
why
should
we
revisit
the
Target
in
the
light
of
that,
because
I
know
that
when
we
last
looked
at
it,
we
didn't
have
this
data
that
was
all
updated.
So,
given
that
we've
got
14,
should
we
update
it
and
have
a
more
a
better
Target,
the
more
sensible
one
foreign.
A
J
G
I
would
just
be
curious
because
it's
a
quarterly
Target
whether
there
are
seasonal,
Trends
and
actually,
whether
20
is
a
challenging
Target
after
Christmas,
for
example,
but
not
so
much
a
challenging
Target
in
summer,
but
I
mean
that's,
but
that's
something
the
cabinet
member
can
consider.
There's
I
have
no
problem
with
us
asking
them
to
have
a
look
at
it.
D
A
Well,
I
I
would
actually
agree
if
the
target's
become
too
big
and
too
cumbersome
people
do
not
go
for
the
targets,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
that
that's
a
fact
of
life,
but
what
we
got
to
is
trying
to
achieve
the
best.
Now
whether
we
need
to
look
at
this
in
a
year's
time
and
say
these
targets
are
being
met,
should
we
have
a
better
Target
that
is,
as
a
committee
I,
think
that
is
a
reasonable
approach,
but
I
don't
know
it
was
an
officer
one.
No,
no
sorry.
Actually.
F
E
With
this,
actually
we've
got
there's
quite
a
few
factors
which
I
think
enticing
with
what
council
James
just
saying,
because
I
was
speaking
to
Vivid
cro
and
he
was
talking
about.
You
know:
they're
worried
about
people
becoming
homeless
because
of
the
cost
of
living
crisis.
So
we
could
see
a
surge.
So
there's
all
these
external
factors
that
may
well
impact
that
figure
and
that
figure
could
sadly,
the
20
might
be
actually
a
very
challenging
Target.
E
This
coming
winter,
so
I
think
we
need
to
understand
the
housing
figures
behind
it
and
where
it
goes,
nothing
that
also
ties
in
with
the
placements
into
the
private
rented
sector
Etc.
It's
all
of
that
housing
area,
I
think
there's
lots
of
factors
which
I
think
yes
would
be
a
good
one
to
look
at
in
in
a
bit
more
depth
to
get
a
whole
a
complete
picture.
C
E
C
Yeah
so
from
an
officer
point
of
view,
we
just
need
to
understand
what
it
is
you
want
to
scrutinize
if,
as
a
committee
you
want
to
let
us
know
what
that
is,
then
obviously
we
can
ensure
that
that's
what
we
bring.
If
you
want
that
to
come
to
the
January
panel,
then
obviously
outside
of
the
committee
meeting,
you
can
obviously
submit
the
information
that
you
want
us
to
look
at
yeah.
B
Just
constructively,
then,
in
terms
of
the
panel
I
mean
what
would
be
helpful
is
we're
not
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
the
question
about
the
20
figure.
We
don't
know
why
the
14
stands
out
on
the
20s,
as
everyone's
quite
rightly
said,
so
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
then,
if
it
comes
back
here
because
of
that
then
so
that's
the
right
thing
and
then
also
you've
raised
it.
B
Quite
rightly
the
point
about
the
issues
to
do
with
rent
and
private
sector
and
so
on,
so
that
that
block
just
is
worth
examining
to
is
the
panel
able
to
identify
why
the
things
are
the
way
they
are.
There
yeah
understand
that
and
then,
if
there
are
things
that
fall
out
of
that,
that
are
worthy
of
deeper
scrutiny
comes
back
here
or
if
the
questions
are
answered
and
the
report
comes
back.
Is
we've
answered
those
questions
at
least
that
piece
of
work's
been
done?
Then.
C
So
what
I
would
recommend,
then,
is
that
obviously
we
answer
the
specific
question
that
has
been
asked
around.
You
know
say:
councilor
James's
question
in
terms
of
how
many
you
know
days
weeks.
Whatever
does
that
make
makes
up
that
number?
What
you
know
is
it
seasonal?
How
is
that
actually
impacted?
Why
does
why
is
the
target
20
with
a
recommendation,
obviously
to
cover
that
into
the
portfolio
holder
for
that
to
be
reviewed?
C
Obviously,
we
can
take
away
a
question
back
to
the
appropriate
officer
to
see
what
other
information
they
hold
and
we
can
circulate
that
to
the
committee
and
then
obviously
that
will
help
inform
the
discussion
that
you
have
a
performance
panel
in
terms
of
anything
else
that
you
specifically
want
to
look
at.
So.
E
Sorry
chair,
that
was
me
saying:
we'd
go
home
early
and
I'm
one
of
the
worst
pea06
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
again.
It's
clarification.
We're
talking
about
reduction
in
Council
operational
emissions
and
we've
set
a
Target
to
make
sure
we
don't
exceed
15
percent
because
it's
less
than
or
equal
to
I'm
sure
that
should
be
greater
than
or
equal
to.
15
percent.
M
I
can
take
that
one
I
guess
that
was
reflective
of
and
noted
comments
about,
different
committees
and
the
fact
that
actually
there's
a
lot
more
detail.
It
goes
to
to
cep
annually
on.
This
sets
up
quite
a
more
detail
behind
it.
That
was
reflective
of
of
the
different
ways
we
can
report
on
operational
missions
and
I
kind
of
I.
Guess
the
lumpy
nature
sometimes
of
the
interventions
we
make
how
they
can
have
quite
significant
reductions
as
a
result
of
certain
projects,
unless
so
so
that
was
reflecting
it
based
on
some.
M
B
B
We've
we're
increasing
the
targets,
and
you
know
where
I'm
going
with
this
we're
increasing
the
target
to
nine
percent.
We
haven't
had
a
garden
Waste
Service
this
year
at
all
in
any
shape
or
formal
description.
That
residents
would
recognize.
But
the
the
comment
is
we
are
advertising
for
new
customers
to
join
the
service
which
will
increase
the
amount
recycled.
B
Somehow,
we've
got
to
capture
the
issue.
Have
we
not
and
I?
Don't
know
whether,
because
you're
setting
yourself
up
to
fail
without
even
your
start,
We
Want,
Nine
percent,
increase
on
the
amount
of
household
waste
recycled
by
Garden
waste,
and
we
actually
haven't
got
a
service
so
somehow,
somewhere
someone's
got
to
capture
that
point,
I,
think
and
and
separately
to
that
are
we
saying
that
that
is
a
percentage
of
what
increase
in
the
in
household
waste
recycle
dry?
Is
that
and
the
increasing
tonnage?
B
But
is
it
15
increase
of
because,
if
it's
an
increase
on
the
tonnage,
that's
ludicrous
because
it
should
be
the
target
to
decrease.
We
want
the
decrease
in
the
tonnage
of
waste,
we
create.
Don't
we
that's
the
thing
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
it
is
that
we're
driving
at
and
then
there
are
two
indicators
that
aren't
here
that
I
think
should
be
which
relate
to
fly
tipping.
There
is
no
kpi
in
the
corporate
on
the
volume
of
fire
tip
or
the
number
of
fly
tip
and
I.
A
A
N
F
Mine
wasn't
the
first
one
in
relation
to
the
dry
waste.
It
says
in
the
comment
it
says,
based
on
it's
as
a
reducing
contamination
of
bins.
I
I
would
like
to
see
as
a
kpi
how
many
connect
contaminated
bins.
Do
we
have
than
the
borough
so,
for
example,
within
Northern
there's,
quite
often
in
relation
to
all
the
flatted
accommodation,
a
contaminated
bin
I
know
there
are
also
households
as
well.
So
I
would
like
to
know
as
a
kpi.
F
What
we're
talking
about
you
know
what
does
that
actually
look
like,
so
in
a
lot
in
relation
to
your
town
center,
you
have
lots
of
flats
from
the
Town
Center
in
relation
to
their
waste.
How
many
of
those
bins
are
contaminated
and
then
they
don't
get
emptied
because
they're
contaminated,
so
we
do
need
to
have
a
understanding
of
the
Quantum
of
that
is.
N
N
So
em6
in
the
later
plan
will
tell
you
that
we're
going
to
the
status
of
the
water
environment
is
monitored
as
part
of
the
River
Basin
management
plans
and
the
EA's
annual
monitoring
process,
the
results
of
which
will
be
reported
through
the
council's
annual
monitoring.
So
I
do
think.
We've
got
a
sort
of
inconsistency
here
and
I
I
do
think.
It's
very
important.
We're
measuring
water
quality
annually.
O
So,
okay,
thank
you
Joe,
so
the
the
thing
that's
really
important
is
that
our
actual
kpis
that
are
in
the
scorecard
are
things
that
we
have
monitoring
and
management
of,
or
you
know,
statutory
role
in
relation
to,
and
the
issue
with
respect
to
water
quality.
Is
that
that's
the
environment
agency's
role?
It's
actually
not
the
planning
Authority's
role
or
the
local
Authority's
role
to
go
around
and
undertake
water
quality
monitoring
across
the
borough
and
what
we
do
in
our
Authority
monitoring
report
on
an
annual
basis.
O
O
The
local
plan
policy
that
you
refer
to
relate
was
was
a
requirement
or
was
in
there,
because
there
was
a
connection
between
the
environment
agency's
requirement.
You
know
at
that
time
and
they
have
stopped
doing
that
monitoring
in
the
way
in
which
you
know
it
was
thought
of
at
the
time
when
that
policy
was
you
know,
adopted
as
part
of
the
local
plan
and
we
as
an
authority.
Don't
have
any
control
or
ability
to
say
to
the
environment
agency.
O
Now
you
must
do
this
on
an
annual
basis
in
our
Borough,
so
I
can't
provide
you
know
the
the
you
know,
the
executive,
with
some
advice
that
there's
a
kpi
that
I
could
put
in
there
do
deliver
Monitor
and
provide
you
data
on
okay,
because
it's
out
of
our
control,
so
the
kpis
that
I've
got
in
here
are
things
that
we
can
give
you
factual
answers
on
and
monitor
and
actually
have
real
data
on.
So
that's
why
there's
nothing
on
water
quality?
O
N
Thank
you
for
that
response,
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
the
difficulty
of
your
predicament.
However,
our
local
plan
is
what's
been
through.
The
planning,
inspector
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
acceptable,
because
a
partner
has
decided
they
are
going
to
fail
on
their
collecting
the
refuse
in
a
timely
way,
I
mean
whichever
your
partner
is
either
you
you
hold
your
partner
to
the
line
or
you'd
have
to
fill
the
Gap
yourself.
N
I
mean
I,
don't
understand
how
we
can
select
news
and
as
a
Borough
with
many
chalk
streams
and
rivers.
I'd
have
thought
the
quality
and
health
of
our
water
environment
was
absolutely
critical,
and
even
even
if
I
move
from
our
enhances
in
the
environment,
which
is
where
these
little
Snippets
taken
from,
is
improving
River
and
Landscape
quality.
N
We
have
put
nothing
in
about
improving
River
and
Landscape
quality,
I
mean
what
is
it
up
and
we
could
do
some
fantastic
things
for
nature
and
biodiversity
and
we're
not
even
willing
to
measure
it
and
I
would
like
to
ask
from
the
environment
for
from
the
aspects
the
environment
agencies
triennial
been
turned
off.
The
Pirates
Hill
Bridge
one
was
moved
removed
and
as
far
as
I
know,
we
are
reliant
on
Thames,
Waters
Downstream,
the
search
stream
and
work
monitoring.
N
Now
I,
don't
know
about
you,
but
I
do
not
want
to
be
by
monitoring
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
You
know
we
are
going
to
look
unbelievably
foolish
and
I.
Just
can't
believe
that
we
would
set
ourselves
up
to
fail
like
that.
We
need
to
either
get
the
environment
agency
in
and
say.
Please
do
something
better
around
here.
This
is
a
highly
sensitive
chalk
stream.
All
of
our
children.
A
Oh,
is
there
a
recommendation?
You
want
to
put
forward
that
we
can
put
to
the
committee
because
we
are
recommending
whether
it's
picked
up
remains
to
be
seen
But,
at
least
if
we
recommend
something
we
can
take
the
fight
forward.
If
that's
what
you
feel
like.
So
if
you
would
like
to
recommend
I
think
you
most
probably
have
support
on
this
one
across
the
ball,
but
I'd.
L
L
L
F
M
F
I'd
like
to
see
there
isn't
anything
in
there
about
and
I
just
wanted
to
clear,
an
interest
here
in
that
I'm,
a
chair
of
a
community
center,
but
I'd
like
to
see
something
in
here
about
buildings
that
are
not
ones
that
we,
that
are
our
buildings
like
community,
centers,
Community
policies
or
other
buildings
that
we
own
and
I'd
like
to
see
something
in
there
about
as
solar
panels
and
what
we're
going
to
do
around
making
them
energy
efficient.
So
from
from
the
the
community
center
that
I
chair,
what
are
we
going
to
do?
F
A
Good
recommendation
but
I
think
we
also
from
my
perspective.
We
ought
to
make
it
clear
that
we
believe
our
community
for
buildings
should
come
first,
I
I
think
that's
a
big
issue.
That's
just
me
as
a
as
a
counselor
and
if
the
other
buildings-
yes,
we
all
want
it
all
done,
but
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
get
lost
in
the
in
the
Property
Services.
For
these
big
buildings,
we
do
own
I'm
more
concerned
with
the
Community
Builders
Hannah.
So.
G
I
am
a
little
bit
nervous
of
tying
down
to
solar
panels,
just
because,
like
some
of
them,
won't
see
that
much
sun
and,
for
example,
but
having
a
Target
that
was
focused
on
improving
I,
have
a
environmental
sustainability
of
community
buildings.
I
could
get
behind,
but
I
just
think
solar
panels.
We
might
actually
miss
out
on
some
opportunities,
potentially
if
we
limit
it
to
that.
E
C
So
I
think,
obviously
you
can
make
other
recommendations
from
committee
to
Cabinet
I'm
linked
to
these
conversations.
Obviously
they're
not
necessarily
going
to
be
kpis
within
the
corporate
scorecard.
They
will,
if
there's
something
that's
implemented,
they'd
monitor,
that's
part
of
the
service
or
part
of
the
climate
change
action
plan
Etc.
So
obviously
you
can
make
a
recommendation
to
Cabinet
to
make
sure
that
they
consider
that
issue.
A
A
If
we're
going
to
make
a
recommendation
of
other
things,
I,
don't
assume,
as
many
people
are
going
to
actually
oppose
it,
but
we've
I
will
accept
that.
That's
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
we've
got
to
get
through
these
kpis
we're.
Seeing
these
things
are
all
good
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
don't
want
to
lose
them,
but
if
we're
not
careful,
we're
losing
where
we're
going
on
this
paper
with
the
kpis,
because
it's
not
a
kpi
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
things.
Actually,
we've
talked
about
over
the
years
from
our
prospective
community
building.
A
E
Back
on
a
kpi
sorry
as
you're
right,
we
are
diverse,
going
for
a
bit
of
a
tangent
but
the
trees.
The
trees
is
talking
about
an
increase
in
number
of
trees,
but
I
know
so.
Anyone
I've
spoken
to
tree
officers.
They
work
on
a
canopy
cover
and
obviously
we
lose
trees.
So,
just
planting
more
trees
could
mean
we
just
we
could
be
making
a
net
gain
or
a
loss.
So
in
actual
fact
the
canopy
cover,
which
is
something
that
officers
work
with,
would
seem
to
me
to
be
a
much
more
sensible
measure.
E
F
Carbon
that
which
is
a
kpi,
so
it's
under
that
section
if
we
truly
want
to
become
zero
carbon
by
2025,
we're
going
to
have
to
expand
our
offer
and
we'll
have
to
look
at
further
and
stretch
kpis
we
have
in
relation
to
urban
community
centers.
We
have
several
that
have
solar
panels.
There
are
some
that
don't
so.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
that
is
a
target
that
we
have,
those
that
don't
have
it
do
have
solar
panels.
C
C
M
M
B
Could
I
make
a
recommendation,
so
you
can
I
make
a
recommendation
then
that
in
terms
of
community
buildings,
because
we
could
specify
we
can
go
beyond
that,
but
just
bring
that
envelope
at
the
moment
that
we
collect
the
comments
and
the
committee
have
shared
this
evening
on
a
variety
of
sources
of
energy.
So
that's
been
picked
up
the
sustainability
points
and
that
that's
fed
into
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
that
if
we've
declared
a
climate
change
emergency.
Yes,
it's
right
that
we're
looking
at
the
estate
operational
estate
of
the
authority.
B
Those
other
elements
such
as
community
centers,
should
also
be
considered,
and
we
would
make
a
recommendation
should
make
a
recognition
that
that
should
become
part
of
your
target.
It's
part
of
what
you're
doing
to
take
that
away
to
look
at.
Maybe
that's
the
cabinet
to
approve
of
that,
of
course,
but
I
thought
they
should
have
done
and
I'm
surprised,
they're,
not
I,
guess
they've
got
to
start
somewhere,
but
I'd
be
surprised.
We
would
forget
our
community
centers
in
that
regard,
because
they're
in
important
buildings
we
own
but
yeah
I
mean
I
get
it.
B
B
A
C
D
Yeah
just
a
reminder
that
we
also
have
a
Target
to
be
a
net
zero
Borough
by
2030.
yeah.
So
if
something
is
out
with
the
definition
for
2025
anything,
that's
written
up
or
any
definition
that's
given
to
what's
going
to
happen
after
2025
or
buildings
outside
of
the
definition
of
25
is
nevertheless
got
to
be
at
a
certain
point
by
2030.
A
F
The
Giants
canopy
one
I
support
what
Jackie
is
saying:
I
I
think
it's
in
relation
to
the
Target
you're
talking
about
400
trees.
If
you
look
at
the
canopy
Target
in
relation
to
the
green
infrastructure
strategy,
when
you
look
at
each
Ward,
there
are
wall,
it
has
to
be
20
in
relation
to
our
green
infrastructure
strategy
and
many
of
the
awards
fall
short
of
that
I.
F
Think
Northern
in
2018
I
think
it
was
I'm,
not
sure
a
lot
when
it's
been
measured
since
then
was
14.5,
so
some
Wards
are
well
below
what
it
should
be.
So
I
think
the
target
needs
to
reflect
the
canopy
definition
and
what
relates
to
our
green
infrastructure
strategy,
and
there
is
a
national
measurement
for
each
Ward,
and
so
you
need
to
look
at
your
ward.
I've
got
the
measurements
as
to
what
they
were
before.
F
So
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
it
is
World
related
as
a
canopy
cover.
Not
just
canopy
covers
in
so
some
Wards
you'll
be
surprised
to
have
a
lot
more
than
others.
So
you
know.
So
we
need
to
look
at
the
wards
so
when
you're
going
to
plant
those
400,
when
are
you
when
you're
going
to
plant
those
400
trees,
you
could
suddenly
just
decide.
Oh
we're
just
going
to
put
them
here
in
the
forest
or
something,
whereas
the
definition.
A
Is
a
recommendation
that
we
we
do
it
in
wards
that
we
reach
a
Target,
so
we
know
where
it
is
failing.
There
might
be
reasons
for
that,
but
we
know
what
we
want
to
know
as
a
scrutiny.
Why
it's
fairly
might
not
have
the
room
to
put
little
things
in,
but
at
least
if
we
know
we
can
take
it
Forward.
Is
that
what
we're
saying
sorry.
J
K
K
K
Everybody
likes
a
tree
until
it's
at
the
end
of
their
Garden
shading,
their
patch,
their
Garden,
threatening
to
blow
over
onto
their
house
or
their
wall
and
yeah
I'm.
Just
saying
I'm,
just
stressing
to
you
that
if
you
want
a
target
of
net
400,
which
seems
to
where
you're
going
yeah,
that
has
significant
cost
implications
and
significant
logistical
ones.
Yeah,
which.
A
I
I
do
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
because
in
one
of
my
Wards
I
had
the
same
problem.
The
wrong
trees
were
planted.
That
sounds
silly,
but
it
was.
We
have
forest
trees
in
which
we
I
used
to
represent
was
Buckskin.
We
wanted
them
out
because
they're
no
good
book
people
wanted
decent
trees,
which
should
be
in
there.
But,
as
you
say,
there's
a
recommendation
out
there.
The
officers
would
come
back
and
give
their
Viewpoint
and
we
as
a
commitment.
A
F
Already
got
if
you
look
at
the
green
infrastructure
priority
13.,
it's
very
clear,
and
it
also
has
a
national
requirement
in
relation
to
30..
It's
another
document
in
relation
to
20
Urban
cover
of
trees.
So
it's
there
we've
already.
It's
that's
what
I'm
saying
about
other
kpis
in
other
policies
and
we're
we're
missing
some
of
these,
so
it's
there.
But
what
I'm
saying
is,
for
example,
if
we
then
look
at
Wards
wrinkleberry,
oh
well,
look
at
your
own
Ward!
F
South
ham
is
15.1,
so
you're
very
low
down,
but
it
doesn't
mean
they
have
to
be
an
urban.
So
in
Northern
we
could
have
it
in
business
estate
areas
or
we
just
managed
to
get
200
trees
from
County
planted
in
Northern,
and
we
worked
with
County
to
do
that.
So
it
is
possible
to
do
it
and
I'd
in
relation
to
climate
change.
If
it's
going
to
cost
this
Borough
more
so
be
it
I
think
that
the
target
should
be
next.
A
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
disagreement
in
that
in
real
terms.
There's
it's
not
as
simple
as
we
make
out.
I
do
accept
that,
but
there
is
ways
forward
and
as
we've
always
done
in
this
Borough,
we
look
at
things.
Some
things
go
through
some
things
don't,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we're
recommending
that
we
can
say
that
when
it
does,
the
cabinet
looks
at
it.
They
may
say
we'll
be
looking
at
it
and
then
we
can
take
it
further.
That
I
think
we've
sort
of
gone
over
that
enough.
A
J
The
number
of
community
events
supported
I,
don't
really
understand
what
it's
talk
or
how
you
measure
it
or
because
what
are
we
supporting
them,
we're
giving
them
Finance
or
office.
The
support
or
publicity
I'd
like
to
see
that
defined
more
carefully,
because
I
think
it's
a
really
important
function
of
the
council.
B
J
C
E
J
N
Thank
you,
I'm.
Sorry,
thank
you.
Pfco1
a
total
number
of
new
homes
delivered
I,
mean
of
anything
I
would
say,
that's
totally
out
of
the
control
of
officers.
So
I,
don't
know
why
we're
monitoring
that
here.
If,
when
we're
happy
with
not
monitoring
water,
it
would
be
great
also
to
understand
the
breakdown
of
the
rating.
N
What
I
I
was
really
Keen
to
see
less
than
number
of
the
homes,
because
we
know
that's
in
the
local
plan
and
we
know
what
that
is,
and
the
developers
will
develop
when
they
want
to
develop,
but
in
terms
of
quality,
I
I'm,
a
total
novice.
Don't
know
if
anything
about
this,
but
a
quick
search
was
looking
at
EPC
on
construction
or
new
builds,
is
a
building
reg
stat
and
they
have
to
provide
that
EPC
rating.
It's
done
from
plans,
so
I,
don't
know
how
accurate
it
is.
N
But
surely
we
should
at
least
know
to
what
spec
developers
are
building
new
properties,
and
that
should
certainly
be
measured
as
some
sort
of
kpi,
and
the
second
question
related
is
the
government's
future
homes
standard
is
coming
in
2025,
and
this
is
a
set
of
standards
that
will
complement
the
building
regs
to
ensure
new
homes
are
subject
to
higher
energy
standards.
How
can
we
track
straight?
Monitor
straight
put
that
in
so
that
we
really
are
looking
at
what
the
title
says,
which
is
well
designed
and
well
built
good
quality
homes.
Please.
O
So
we
listened
to
your
scrutin,
your
previous
scrutiny
meeting
and
before
coming
here
tonight,
and
always
aware
that
this
is
a
real
concern
for
you
all
and
we've
been
thinking
it
through
as
a
team
as
to
how
we
could
even
give
you
data
like,
because
this
is
the
point:
isn't
it
around.
It
has
to
be
something
I.
Can
money
monitor
to
report
on.
It
has
to
be
a
kpi
that
we
have
got
an
ability
to
find
information
for
you
on
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
know
is.
O
But
what
I
can't
give
you
certainty
on
is
that
new
home,
the
time
frame
in
which
they
have
to
register
the
EPC
certificate
for
its
creation
and
how
long
that
takes
to
go
on
to
the
system
to
be
able
to
say
to
you
in
the
previous
quarter
or
or
year,
how
many
of
those
new
homes,
EPC
certificates,
indicate
they're
a
b
or
a
c,
or
maybe
even
an
a
let's,
be
ambitious.
We
can't
actually
give
you
the
certainty
that
of
the
new
homes
delivered
so
in
the
last
year,
1400.
O
How
many
of
those
have
got
their
EPC
have
I
got
1400
EPC
certificates
to
report
on
just
understand
what
I'm
saying
so
it's
a
skewed
set
of
data,
so
that
makes
it
a
really
hard
EPC
for
us
I'd,
say
in
the
next
12
months
or
even
24
months
to
be
reporting
on.
But
it
is
something
we'd
like
to
get
a
handle
on
and
understand
and
I'm
sure.
There's
lots
of
authorities
across
the
country
that
would
like
to
as
well
but
I
haven't,
got
any
control
on
the
speed
of
registration
of
EPC.
F
Sorry
pfco3
in
relation
to
total
number
of
new,
affordable
homes,
ill
or
completed
I
know
that's
the
overall
figure.
Do
you
not?
As
a
committee
I
know,
this
is
in
the
annual
monitoring
report
that
goes
to
eph,
but
do
you
not
want
to
see
some
breakdown
of
what
they
are
so
in
relation?
Are
they
Flats
I
mean
I?
Think
there's
an
assumption
here.
We're
talking
about
a
house.
F
A
home
is
many
things
and
there's
a
scrutiny
committee.
Don't
you
want
to
have
an
understanding
of
what
that
looks
like
I
personally
would
because
I
have
concerns
about
the
number
of
flats
that
are
being
built
for
people
that
are
living
in
affordable
housing
like
housing,
families
in
Flats,
so
I
personally
would
like
to
see
that
have
some
more
substance
and
detail
to
it.
B
B
B
B
J
Can
I
just
check
with
Laura's
suggestion
about
break
breakdown
for
the
new,
affordable
homes?
It's
important
that
we
get
the
breakdown
right.
So
we
bring
out
the
point
which
I
think
is
really
important,
that
we
shouldn't
be
building
lots
of
flats
for
families
and
so
I
think
the
breakdown
needs
to
be
that
the
size
of
the
flat
you
know
or
yes,
the
size
of
the
flat.
So
you've
got
summer,
two
bed,
four
person:
some
are
one
bed,
one
person
I,
think
we
we
do
ten.
C
A
C
I
would
imagine
that
a
lot
of
the
supporting
information,
particularly
around
housing,
which
obviously
the
annual
reports
coming
back
anyway,
scrutiny
in
January,
possibly
now
but
like
the
climate
change,
Stuff
Etc
is
all
included
in
the
strategy,
information
so
and
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
information.
I've
previously
said
that
sit
in
the
service
plans
that
sit
below
this.
So
it's
a
case
of
you
know
we're
not
duplicating
at
the
corporate
level,
because
they're
actually
being
captured
at
a
lower
level.
C
F
I
was
just
saying
it's
in
the
annual
monitoring
report
that
goes
to
eph.
You
get
the
housing
strategy
that
comes
here.
I'm,
just
reminding
you
I
suppose,
is
my
opportunity,
because
I
each
time
I
I
raise
this.
It
doesn't
go
anywhere,
but
I'm,
just
reminding
you
that
of
those
units
we're
building
a
large
percentage
of
them
are
flat
and
when
you
had
the
housing
strategy
come
last
time,
you
didn't
say
that
you
weren't
happy
happy
when
you
were
asked.
F
Were
you
happy
with
this,
and
did
you
want
to
it's
a
housing
allocation
policy
that
you
came
here?
You
can
change
that
housing
allocation
policy
as
a
scrutiny
committee,
but
you
didn't
so
I'm
asking
you
again.
Please
look
at
your
housing
allocation
policy
because
we
don't
need
to
be
housing.
Families
in
Flats
and
I'm
asking
you
again
when
it
comes
again,
which
it
will
be
coming
soon
because
it
comes
annually.
That's
your
opportunity
to
please
look
at
it
again.
I
I
raise
it
in
every
committee
that
I'm
in
I'm
raising
it
again,
for
you
sure.
A
A
O
N
Yeah,
this
is
possibly
a
bit
random,
but
I
do
think
this
is
really
important
for
our
residents
and
I,
don't
know
where
it
best
sits,
but
it's
it's
just
on
the
bin
collections
shouldn't
there
be
a
kpi
that
says
percentage
bins,
collected
on
time,
black
bin
green
bin,
because
that's
taking
up
75
of
our
call
center
time.
If
we
could
cut,
we
could
get
that
right.
They'd
have
loads
of
time
to
do
other
stuff
and
I
just
feel
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
it's!
A
A
B
Oh
I
just
want
to
pick
up
the
point
about
on
the
sheet
protecting
and
enhancing
our
environments.
The
one
we
didn't
talk
about.
It's
the
easy
charging
points,
because
when
I
asked
the
question
the
response
that
came
back
is
we
will
be
able
to
report
on
the
number
of
EB
charging
points
installed
in
the
borough.
B
Fine,
that's
great,
but
I'd
like
a
record
if
it's
possible,
because
if
there
are
charging
points
of
the
ones
that
work
and
the
ones
that
don't
work
because
we
will
know
if
they
work
or
they
don't
work
because
surely
we
should
know
if
they're
on
our
land
they're
our
charging
points
like
they're
in
the
Parklands
car
park
or
in
the
feathers
yard?
And
it's
just
great
we've
got
them
and
we've
got
the
number
of
them.
But
surely
we
should
know
across
the
year
if
they're,
working
or
not
working?
A
I
would
I
would
agree.
I
would
like
to
see
them
on
our
Estates
as
well,
but
if
we
can
put
that
forward
as
a
recommendation
to
find
out
what
are
actually
working
and
what
isn't
that
would
be
a
good
way
forward
and
might
be
good
reasons
why
they're
not
working
I
don't
know.
But
if
we
don't
ask,
we
won't
get
so.
A
C
We've
had
an
action
to
circulate
some
information
on
the
dates
around
the
EDI
working
groups
and
the
Steering
group
that
we
are
looking
to
amend
the
reduction
percentage
in
antisocial
Behavior.
The
arrow
is
around
the
wrong
way
and
note
in
the
in
the
end
of
year,
appraisals
add
in
the
completions
and
a
note
to
explain
why
that
one
looks
so
low,
so
I'm.
C
There's
a
request
to
understand
how
many
of
those
are
in
and
out
of
the
borough
as
a
request
to
understand
the
total
number
of
days
that
that
equates
to,
in
terms
of,
rather
than
just
the
actual
number
of
instances,
a
request
to
understand
the
budget
information
around
private
sector,
rented
rent
bonds
and
as
to
whether
how
many
rent
bonds
the
budget
could
potentially
support.
And
is
there
any
possibility
of
increase
in
the
indicator?
C
A
recommendation
to
to
reduce
the
new
the
raw
sleeping
indicator
to
zero
and
understanding
if
there
is
a
seasonal
reason
for
why
there
is
20
numbers
of
homeless
households
and
it
hasn't
been
reduced
to
look
at
the
work
planning
request
around.
What
might
the
the
housing
request
be
in
terms
of
further
information
to
be
looked
at
through
the
performance
panel
and
you
from
Julio
and
the
dean
that
I've
missed.
G
C
So
we
will
note
that
point
that
the
climate
change
strategy,
the
operational
missions-
should
be
greater
than
or
equal
to
not
less
than
or
equal
to.
15
Nadine.
I
also
note
that
in
the
comments
we
actually
refer
to
an
officer's
name.
If
we
can
take
that
out,
please
under
the
energy
audits,
further
information
required
I've
got
a
whole
rafting
notes
here,
so
I'm
not
going
to
try
and
read
them
all
out,
but
around
the
actual
Community
buildings,
understanding
the
sustainability,
the
sustainable
energy
direction
of
travel.
F
C
C
C
So,
apologies
a
recommendation
that,
rather
than
having
the
if
we
do
have,
we
do
keep
the
number
of
trees.
It
should
be
Nets
increase.
And
how
do
we
monitor
that,
but
potentially
an
additional
kpi
around
canopy
and
how
that
links
across
to
the
green
infrastructure
strategy
by
Ward?
Sorry,
yes,
I
have
written
by
Ward
yeah.
C
Sorry
strengthening
communities,
what
does
a
regeneration,
kpi
look
like
so
follow-up
rejected
applications
Etc.
So
with
a
note
on
how
we
can
follow
that
up.
Some
definitions
to
be
circulated,
particularly
in
relation
to
community
events,
supported
some
explanations
to
be
added
in
around
the
rag
status,
in
particular
around
the
many
downtown
Center
and
Leisure
Park
program
overviews
in
terms
of
total
number
of
new
affordable
homes,
a
recommendation,
obviously
that
this
is
actually
broken
down
into
the
type
with
further
information
around.
C
F
C
A
A
C
C
A
I've
lost
me?
What
we
got
next
I
think
that's
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Is
it
oh?
That
is
the
end
of
the
meeting.
I
thought
it
was
a
lot
of.
Thank
you
for
your
contributions.
I
know
it's
been
a
long,
maybe
tedious,
meeting
in
a
funny
sort
of
way,
but
I
think
it's
been
an
important
I
thought
and
also
I'd
like
to
thank
so
and
yourself
for
sitting
there
and
and
doing
for
actually
going
through
it,
because.
B
A
Not
we've,
we've
looked
at
this
a
number
of
times.
It's
not
been
an
easy
process
and
it's
going
to
take
I
believe
a
few
more
of
these
over
the
years.
To
get
it
exactly
the
way
we
the
councilors
like
to
see
it,
it's
work,
we're
doing
and
I
think
that's
a
progress
thing.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I
hope.
I
haven't
bored.
You
too
much
keep
on
cutting
in
and
out
and
trying
to
shut
you
up
and
move
your.