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A
Good
evening
members
it
is
now
6
30
and
welcome
to
tonight's
Community,
environment
and
Partnerships
committee.
My
name
is
Ellie
Cohen
I'm,
the
Democratic
Services
officer
at
the
council,
both
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
sent
their
apologies
for
this
meeting.
So
I
will
open
the
meeting
until
the
committee
Alexa,
chair,
I'll,
just
read
out
the
housekeeping
first.
A
A
D
D
For
the
records
I
need
to
declare
my
own
personal
interest.
I
have
I'm
a
member
of
safer
North,
Hampshire
team
on
behalf
of
Hampshire
County
Council,
so
urgent
matters,
I,
don't
have
any
urgent
matters
and
the
next
one
in
the
agendas
minutes
of
the
meeting
on
18th
of
January
2023
or
the
committee
agreed
that
the
Committees
in
the
meeting
held
on
18th,
January
2023
or
an
accurate
record.
E
What
I
would
like
to
just
emphasize
is
that
for
us,
as
Ward
counselors
I,
think
it's
really
important
that
our
experience
on
the
ground,
if
you
like,
working
with
our
communities
and
our
residence
groups
and
all
the
other
lovely
structures
that
create
why
we
love
to
live
where
we
live,
it's
important
that
people
feel
safe
to
be
able
to
do
the
things
that
they
want
to
do
and
that
they
know
how
to
help
sort
out
and
solve
issues
when
they
come
up,
so
that
this
evening
is
one
of
the
big
reasons
for
me.
E
That
I
encourage
this
particular
cep
agenda
item,
because
I
think
it
gives
a
unique
opportunity
for
us
to
talk
to
our
community
safety
team
and
our
cspo
team,
who
are
eyes
and
ears
in
our
communities
and
also
our
colleagues
in
the
police
and
how
they
all
work
together
with
us
and
other
agencies
to
manage
all
the
things
that
are
going
on
in
our
in
our
community
and
Society.
F
E
Are
doing,
does
that
make
sense
to
our
Ward
counselors
on
the
ground
does?
That
is
what
they
think
are
the
issues
that
are
arising.
Is
that
what
you
see
in
your
inbox
and
when
you
are
working
in
your
community
groups
yourselves?
Does
it
all
resonate
with
you?
Are
there
things
that
we
should
be
think
thinking
about
in
the
community
safety
team
that
actually,
you
are
experiencing
and
we're
missing,
and
it's
really
helpful
to
put
the
Police
Inspector
Ian
Gowdy
this
evening?
E
We
welcome
you
to
this
committee
because
it
really
adds
an
extra
Dimension
to
be
able
to
hear
from
the
police
what
it's
like
for
you
as
well,
because
you
know
seeing
it
written
in
type,
is
very
different
to
what
it's
actually
like
doing
is,
so
it
gives
members
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
get
that
reality,
which
I
think
is
really
really
helpful
and
again
I'm,
hoping
that
you
will
find
it
helpful
to
hear
from
Ward
counselors
how
it
is
for
them,
and
you
know
that
good
interaction
so
I
will
hand
over
to
who
am
I
handing
over
to
Dan
lovely.
G
Thank
you,
Council
of
Oaks.
Thank
you,
for
you
know
having
us
to
present
the
report
at
CP
this
evening.
I
just
thought
would
be
quite
useful.
Just
to
summarize
the
report
first
of
all
and
just
go
over
some
of
the
key
bits
and
pieces
which
are
included
in
there
and
just
provide
a
bit
more
context
in
there
and
then,
if
it's
okay,
hopefully
go
into
some
questions.
Chad
thank.
D
G
Okay,
so
I
know
when
we
attended
last
time,
members
were
really
Keen
of
an
annual
update
in
relation
to
community
safety
activity
across
the
borough
and
I
think
how
that
could
be
useful
to
understand
some
of
the
work
which
is
happening
locally,
some
of
the
things
which
we're
prioritizing
and
how
members
as
councilor
walks
mentioned.
How
members
can
then
be
involved
further
in
in
in
in
setting
some
of
them
priorities
as
well.
G
G
It
hopefully
provides
a
bit
of
an
update
on
recent
Community
safety,
Trends
and
some
of
the
activity
and
outlines
how
the
safe
communities
team
are
contributing
to
both
the
council
priorities
and
also
the
safe
North
Hampshire
Community
safety
partnership
priorities,
what's
what's
really
important
with
that
is
that
we
have
a
strong
partnership,
work
ethic
in
Basingstoke
and
with
Community
safety.
Whilst
we
have
a
statutory
duty
to
work
in
Partnership
relating
to
Crime
disorder
and
that's
social
behavior,
we
also
really
understand
and
value
that.
So
it's
not
just
for
us.
G
A
tick
box
exercise
is
actually
something
which
we
need
to
do
and
something
which
we
put
a
lot
of
attention
and
effort
into
that
partnership.
Work
which
exists
and
I
think
that's
really
important,
that
being
able
to
work
together
to
reducing
levels
of
crime
and
social
behavior.
G
As
I
mentioned,
we
do
have
a
duty
to
work
in
partnership
in
relation
to
crime
and
social
behavior,
and
we
have
a
well-established
Community
safety
partnership
within
the
local
area.
Another
Community
safety
partnership
covers
the
north
Hampshire
area,
so
that's
based
in
soaking,
Dean,
heart
and
Rushmore
and
Arab
districts.
G
That's
currently
chaired
by
councilor
morishian,
the
deputy
leader
at
Rushmore,
Borough
Council,
one
of
the
requirements
as
part
of
the
community
safety
partnership
is
produce
an
annual
strategic
assessment
and
the
Strategic
assessment
provides
detailed
analysis
of
crime
disorder
Trends,
which
are
happening
across
the
across
the
the
community
safety
partnership
area,
and
that
is
then
broken
down
into
reports
in
relation
to
our
local
area
in
Beijing.
So
can
Dean
as
well.
G
Some
of
the
priorities
which
we
work
towards
and
which
have
been
identified
as
part
of
the
Strategic
assessment,
are
improving
feelings
of
safety
and
health
outcomes,
serious
violence,
domestic
abuse
and
and
social
behavior,
and
there's
an
annual
overview
and
scrutiny
process
which
exists,
which
is
able
to
hold
Partners
to
account
for
the
work
which
we
all
do
contributing
towards
them
priorities.
And
so
our
next,
our
next
Soviet
Union
to
take
place
in
June.
G
G
So
the
in
terms
of
how
the
process
works
in
relation
to
when
that
data
is
is
reported.
We
have
that
annual
strategic
assessment,
which
is
produced
by
our
community
safety
analyst
that
takes
into
account
the
most
recent
crime
year,
so
unfortunately
we're
right
at
the
end
of
our
current
prime
year
of
2223.
So
the
most
recent
full
set
of
dates
we
have
is
for
the
21-22
year.
G
So
yeah
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
in
there
as
well.
You
will
notice
in
there
as
well
I,
think
section
3.4
outlines,
there's
a
21
increase
in
total
crime
when
compared
to
the
previous
year.
G
G
So
that's
where
the
the
reflection
is
and
why
it
looks,
looks
higher
and
it's
in
line
with
what
we'd
be
expecting
for
yeah
for
that
for
that
to
have
that
increase
after
a
pandemic,
when
things
were
closed
down
the
contributions
which
we
make
directly
as
a
council
to
community
safety
activity,
Council
walks
mentioned,
we
have
our
cspos.
We
have
our
community
safety
team
and
various
other
activities,
such
as
our
public
spaces
surveillance
in
our
public
realm
areas
of
the
borough.
G
Some
of
the
coordination
of
the
partnership
activity
which
takes
place
and
the
real
important
one,
is
that
enabling
and
encouraging
local
communities
to
take
an
active
role
in
community
safety
issues
and
some
of
that
work
I
won't
go
into
any
detail
at
the
moment.
We're
happy
to
take
any
questions
is
outlined
a
bit
further
in
sections
five
to
seven
of
the
report.
G
It's
really
important
for
us
to
address
those
issues
which
are
most
reflective
of
the
community
safety
partnership
priorities,
but
also
having
the
understanding
that
some
of
the
work
of
community
safety,
and
particularly
in
the
policing
world
is,
can
be
quite
reactive
as
well,
and
we
have
to
be
able
to
respond
to
issues
as
they
come
up,
and
there
are
things
which
we
we
look
to,
and
we
obviously
have
a
planning
process
and
part
of
coming
to
CP
today
is
hopefully
to
get
a
bit
a
better,
a
better
understanding
of
what's
coming
to
council's
attention
in
the
local
community
and
then
how
and
ensuring
our
priorities
are
aligned
with
what
you're
seeing
come
to
you
as
from
residents,
and
so
it's
really
important
that
we're
able
to
then
be
able
to
be
reactive
as
well
to
some
of
the
issues
which
come
up
and
I
think
we're
in
a
strong
position
with
the
partnership
work
which
exists
to
be
able
to
tackle
some
of
them
issues.
G
I
think
one
of
the
most
recent
examples
is
probably
around
car
meets
I.
Think
it's
around
as
well
so
being
Mindful
and
thinking
ahead
and
at
the
moment
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
kind
of
opportunity
at
this
point
in
the
year
to
come
to
cep
as
we're
kind
of
looking
at
a
starting
the
Strategic
assessment
process
for
next
year
and
also
considering
our
own
local
level
priorities
as
well
about
what
they
are
and
getting
feedback
from.
G
G
Local
level
priorities
related
social
behavior
and
and
as
well
as
that
is,
is
how
can
elected
members
be
further
involved
in
the
promotion
of
local
campaigns
which
the
team
do
regarding
on
social
behavior
affecting
people
and
places
as
well,
and
what
topics
would
like
to
be
covered
or
what
would
members
find
useful
to
cover
if
we
were
to
to
consider
any
kind
of
future
briefing
to
enable
yeah
your
role
as
Community
leaders
and
role
in
tactic
and
social
behavior?
What
would
be
helpful
to
help
you
do
that
I
think?
G
Hopefully
that
provides
a
bit
of
a
short
overview
of
the
report.
I
know
it's
quite
lengthy,
but
that
just
reflects
I
think
some
of
the
work
which
happens
locally
as
well.
So
hopefully
that
gives
a
a
bit
of
a
reflection
here.
H
I
Thank
you,
I
haven't
been
set
any
kind
of
agenda,
so
please
just
ask
any
questions
that
you've
got
and
I'll
attempt
to
answer
them.
For
you.
D
C
All
right
good
to
meet
you.
Thank
you.
I
I've
just
got
a
question
about
how
the
police
are
supporting
Pub
watch
locally,
both
councilman
Miami
and
myself
are
our
councilors
for
the
the
Town
Center.
It
would
be
good
to
know
what
the
police
are
doing,
to
engage
with,
with
Pub
watch
and
and
to
support
the
local
pubs
at
the
top
of
town.
I
So
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware,
but
we
do
have
licensing
offices
that
work
over
in
the
office
at
Parkland,
so
two
dedicated
licensing
officers
that
work
throughout
the
district
so
they're
in
regular
contacts
with
all
of
the
licensees
within
the
town,
whether
that's
everything
from
small
clubs
to
the
old
Beijing
Legion
through
to
to
other
venues
that
have
maybe
more
contentious
issues
with
the
police
in
terms
of
crime,
drugs,
sex
workers.
Other
things
like
that
that
we
are
having
to
investigate.
I
So
they
are
constantly
involved
with
them
and
involved
with
Pub
watch,
but
I
think
Pub
watch
did
for
a
while
become
more
disengaged
with
the
police
and
I
think
there
was
maybe
some
disconnect
between
the
two.
It's
not
an
area
that
I
personally
look
after,
but
I
do
know
that
rich
speeling
and
Phil
Dennett,
who
the
two
licensing
officers
are
permanently
based
at
Basingstoke
and
if
you
ever
need
to
speak
to
them,
they'll
quite
happily
liaise
with
you
and
set
up
any
meetings
that
you
need
to
answer.
Any
questions
that
you
have.
J
Yeah,
thank
you.
Probably
a
question
for
Daniel
there's
quite
a
lot
of
mention
of
eavesdropping
here,
which
there
always
was
historically
that
will
kind
of
switch
to
Brookdale,
because
the
Town
Center
has
moved
now
years
ago.
We
got
the
crime
figures,
three
stop
and
they
were
horrendous.
It
won't
be
dug
deeper.
J
Clearly,
most
of
the
shoplifting
that
happens
was
any
slot,
because
that's
where
personal
place
was
now
in
Brooklyn
at
the
moment,
I
shouldn't
mind,
because
when
you
redo
the
snaps
next
year,
under
the
new
Ward
boundaries,
I
assume
I
will
look
like
a
crime.
Fighting
genius
that
I've
solved
by
Lee
stroll
and
Sam
and
Aaron
will
look
pretty
poor,
but
obviously
they've
done
nothing
wrong.
It's
just
that's.
The
boundaries
have
moved
when
we
dug
even
deeper
to
those
East
Rock
crime
stats.
J
We
there's
lots
of
miscellaneous
offending
and
we
realized
that
at
that
point
the
police
station
was
an
East
drop
and
some
of
the
naughty
people
that
the
police
pick
up
don't
get
any
less
naughty
when
they
get
in
the
police
station
when
they're
under
the
influence.
So
it
seemed
like
the
most
unsafe
place
to
be
in
the
country
for
police
officer
with
East
Rock,
because
lots
of
resorts
and
police
officers
lots
of
criminal
damage
as
people
wreck
in
theirselves.
Nothing
to
do
withdrop
at
all
just
happens
to
me.
J
That's
a
bail
ax
offense
so
because
they
didn't
send
Basin
soap,
magistrates
Court,
which
is
still
in
East
Rock
That
was
another
crime
against
Easter,
so
I,
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
do
the
transition
when
we
look
at
the
stats
and
make
that
comparison,
so
we
don't
make
it
look
like
crime
has
moved
when
actually
the
lines
have
moved,
but
also
can
we
just
sort
of
pick
out
the
Town
Center
I
mean
I
used
to
laugh
at
them
councils
and
Grove,
because
when
the
police
station
moves
a
lot
of
the
criminal
damage
moved
with
it,
which
obviously
made
me
look
good
and
then
bad,
but
so
I
wasn't
how
you're
going
to
do
that.
J
But
it
would
be
good
because
what
I
don't
want
is
people
have
talk
about
or
feeling
like
they're
now
living
in
a
very,
very
dangerous
place,
because
that's
where
all
the
crime
happens
when
actually
a
lot
of
it
in
the
Town
Center
as
it
is
in
all
the
you
know.
Obviously,
in
the
same
in
order
Fleet,
the
town
centers
are
where
it
goes.
How
are
you
going
to
fix
that?
So
we
can
see
proper
data
next
time.
G
Foreign
actually
to
point
out
that,
sometimes
with
the
data
which
comes
around
it's
it
can
there
can
be
a
narrative
to
it
and
you
can
put
a
lot
of
explanations.
Fortunately,
we're
yeah
very
fortunate
to
have
a
very
experienced
and
and
talented
Community
safety
analyst
within
the
team.
So
we
we
share
that
resource
across
the
the
community
safety
partnership
area
and
our
analyst
is
able
to
break
down
some
of
the
figures
as
much
as
possible
and
I
think
sometimes
with
the
the
figures
which
get
presented.
G
Sometimes
there
are
them
things
they
can
feel
disproportionate
to
maybe
some
of
the
other
areas,
but
then
there's
usually
an
explanation
to
that
and
you're
right
and
saying
that.
Actually,
if
the
the
police
station
at
that
particular
point
when
that
was
in
in
the
East
Rock
Ward
area,
you're
likely
to
see
a
rise,
much
the
same
as
as
Town
centers,
we
would
generally
see
an
increase
in
in
crime
figures
in
higher
for
areas
where
there's
a
nighttime
economy
me
where
there's
lots
of
things
happening
within
that
local
community
I.
G
Think
the
and
I
have
to
get
back
and
confirm
to
you
in
relation
to
the
where
the
war
boundaries,
change,
I,
think
police
beat
data
has
stayed
the
same.
I
will
need
to
confirm
that
getting
back
in
terms
of
where
that
is
so.
G
It
might
not
necessarily
reflect
to
the
new
Ward
areas,
however,
because
they've
recorded
in
police
beat
areas,
so
it
might
be
a
slight
slight
divide
there,
but
I
will
have
to
I'll
have
to
have
to
check
on
that,
but
certainly,
if
there's
any
data
which
we
need,
which
is
more
specific
to
a
locality,
our
anus
is
able
to
produce
reports
specific,
but
we
just
have
to
be
mindful
in
terms
of
as
a
shared
resource
and
that
the
time
which
we
have
of
the
analysts
to
make
sure
we're
using
that
for
the
purposes
which.
F
F
Thank
you,
chair
just
to
say
to
the
team.
Thank
you
obviously
work
closely
with
the
team
in
Northern
and
he
tells
and
I
appreciate
what
you
do
appreciate
what
you
did
when
you
were
Community
wardens,
let
alone
what
you
want
now,
as
the
cspo's
you've
carried
that
through
so
just
upon
the
recorder.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
think
it's
interesting
walking
around
the
ward
with
the
team
in
the
sense
of
your
uniformed
presence
and
reflecting
on
the
way
that
the
police
do
their
policing
these
days
and
that's
an
interesting
reflection.
F
I
get
back
from
the
community
and
that's
not
a
negative
thing.
You're
simply
saying
is
a
reflection
of
the
way
the
community
respond
to
that,
and
that's
important
for
us
to
recognize
that
you
do
have
an
influence
directly
out
there
on
the
streets,
which
is
very
important
in
that
vein.
What
I've
been
really
in
track
of
five
areas
of
concern?
F
Really
Buffalo
raised
two
immediately
I'd,
really
like
to
understand
where
you
think
we
are
at
in
dealing
with
the
issues
of
drugs
and
drugs
on
the
street,
let
alone
drugs
in
terms
of
selling
context
around
that
and
it
isn't
linked,
but
it
is
in
a
way
knife
carrying
or
rather
knife
crime,
where
you
feel
we're
at
in
terms
of
tackling
that
as
two
areas
of
immediate
concern,
perhaps
most
concern
from
residents.
I
really
would
appreciate
understanding
where
you
think
we're
at
on
that.
At
the
moment.
I
Drugs
I
mean
where
to
start
with
drugs.
In
all
honesty,
it
is
everywhere
and
there's
no,
no
denying
that
it
will
be
in
every
one
of
your
constituents
areas,
whether
you're
out
in
the
rural,
whether
you're
in
the
town,
people
will
find
a
way
to
provide
it
to
sell
it
and
dealing
with
it
and
enforcing.
It
is
incredibly
difficult
because,
as
soon
as
you
make
inroads
into
one
drug
Network,
they
see
a
vacuum
and
another
one
will
come
and
another
one
will
come.
For
example,
in
the
town.
I
At
the
moment
we
have
issues
with
Albanian
organized
crime
gangs,
and
we
will
continually
arrest
them.
We
will
seize
their
vehicles,
we
will
seize
their
drugs,
they
will
get
arrested,
they
will
get
deported
and
within
two
or
three
days
that
organized
crime
game
will
send
another
Albanian
from
London
to
replace
them.
So
it
is
an
ongoing
site
and
that's
just
one
example
of
that
you're,
probably
aware
of
the
bathing
suit
street
gang,
three
of
which
been
sentenced
recently,
that's
still
an
ongoing
issue.
I
Despite
the
gang
injunction
that
we've
managed
to
put
in
place,
you
now
have
the
issue
of
things
called
Fast.
Parcels,
so
they
are
Parcels
that
are
delivered
from
places
like
America
now,
where
it's
legal
to
grow
cannabis,
so
cannabis
per
se,
wouldn't
necessarily
be
a
police
priority
as
much
as
class
A
drugs
would
be
or
burglaries.
For
example,
however,
in
October
November
I
saw
a
trend
of
fast
passes,
being
intercepted
at
border
force.
I
That
Within
I
would
say,
probably
four
to
six
weeks
came
to
over
a
hundred
kilograms
of
cannabis,
and
that's
the
stuff
that
we
know
about
you.
Imagine
the
money,
that's
going
into
purchasing
cannabis,
that
you're
able
to
afford
to
lose
100
kilograms,
and
it
gives
you
some
sort
of
idea
of
the
scale
of
the
problem
so
as
much
as
we
have
a
high
home
team
that
is
dedicated
towards,
but
it's
not
solely
dedicated
towards
drugs,
but
drugs
are
high
harm.
I
So
it
comes
part
of
the
team's
remare,
but
with
eight
PCS
on
a
neighborhood
team
that
are
focused
on
drugs,
you
can
imagine
that
we
do
our
best,
but
there
is
continuing,
there's
still
going
to
be
a
problem
until
people
either
don't
use
drugs.
The
government
legalizes
it
taxes
it
and
provides
drugs
to
people
that
want
it
that
aren't
necessarily
going
to
kill
them
and
doesn't
need
crime
gains
to
sell
it
to
them
or
and
for
a
long
time.
I
I
was
never
an
advocate
of
that
I'm
not
saying
I
am
now,
but
it
is
an
option
but
hand
in
hand
with
drug
crime
goes
knife
crime,
because
if
you
carry
a
knife,
the
sentence
you're
going
to
get
is
far
less.
If
you
carry
a
gun,
for
example,
and
guns
in
this
country
are
very,
very
hard
to
get
a
hold
of.
I
So,
as
we've
seen
a
number
of
times,
you
end
up
with
predominantly
drug
dealers,
injuring
other
drug
dealers,
as
opposed
to
drug
dealers,
injuring
members
of
the
public-
that
what
I
can
say
is
that
is
very
rare
in
terms
of
knife
crime,
it's
Criminal
on
criminal,
not
necessarily
criminal
in
the
public
and
the
public.
I.
Don't
think
you
know
being
a
resident
here.
Public
I,
don't
think,
should
necessarily
worry
overly
about
that
personally.
G
We
work
very
closely
with
the
violence
reduction
unit,
which
are
Hampshire
wide
and
relatively
new
in
terms
of
the
team
which
have
come
in
and
they've
recently
had
some
changes
to
the
kind
of
management
structure
about
what
that
looks
like
as
well
and
there's
lots
of
work,
which
is
happening
locally,
a
kind
of
partnership
level
to
look
at
what
some
of
them
issues.
G
And
how
can
we
go
about
as
partners
to
work
together
to
tackle
some
of
them
for
us
locally
and
as
a
as
a
council
in
terms
of
what
we
can
provide
in
relation
to
this
I?
G
Think
some
of
it's
that
early
intervention
opportunity
and
we
know
that
there
can
be
a
link-
and
we
have
seen
it
before
where
people
which
are
involved
in
lower
level
and
social
behavior,
their
behavior
Can,
escalate
further
and
being
able
to
look
at
them
early
intervention
opportunities
and
be
able
to
gather
intelligence
and
work
with
with
predominantly
young
people
in
relation
to
antisocial,
behavior
and
help
and
support
them
in
terms
of
maybe
taking
a
different
path.
We
can
use
informal
interventions
to
do
that,
so
we've
got
things
one
of
our
acceptable.
G
Behavior
contracts
are
quite
successful
in
terms
of
working
directly
with
with
young
people.
It's
not
gonna.
It's
not
gonna
their
voluntary
agreements
and
they're
not
going
to
apply
to
everyone,
but
actually
they
can
be
a
really
useful
tool
in
terms
of
being
able
to
understand
and
then
look
at
the
bigger
picture,
and
quite
often
what
we
find
is
with
some
of
the
issues
which
we're
dealing
with
that.
G
Actually,
there's
a
lot
more
involved,
rather
than
just
an
search,
behavior
and
there's
a
there's
other
issues
which
we
have
to
consider
as
well,
and
that
again
comes
back
to
that
partnership.
Work
with
our
health
colleagues,
for
instance,
or
Children's
Services
other
partners
which
may
need
to
be
involved,
youth,
offending
team
and
so
where
we
can
work
together
to
look
at
a
kind
of
multi-disciplinary
approach
to
working
together
to
resolve
some
of
them
issues.
G
So,
yes,
part
of
it.
Our
part
can
be
the
unsocial
behavior
issues,
but
it's
being
aware
and
taking
that
trauma-informed
approach
in
relation
to
some
of
the
other
issues
which
exist
as
well
but
there's
some
there's,
some
good
projects
coming
about
the
advanced
reduction
unit
are
are
leading
on
and
also
you'll
notice.
I
mentioned
it
in
terms
of
our
community
safety
partnership
plan.
G
C
response
is
one
of
the
priorities
within
the
plan,
and
that
is
now
I
mean
that
was
a
priority
for
us
before
the
serious
Finance
Duty
came
in
in
January,
so
I
think
we're
in
some
ways
ahead
of
the
curve,
a
little
bit
with
that
and
I'm
working
towards
that
and
there'll
be
a
specific
strategic
needs
assessment
which
comes
out
specific
to
Serious
violence
as
well.
Over
the
next
year.
I
I
Stuff
going
on,
as
Dan
has
said,
that
we're
all
working
on
together
through,
for
example,
the
basing
staff
event
that
we
had
in
Festival
Place
in
the
middle
of
February
and
that's
to
engage
young
children.
Young
adults
that
we
know
are
involved
on
the
peripheries
of
that
criminality
to
divert
them
away
from
that.
And
that
was
a
really
really
successful
event
and
upcoming.
I
We've
got
events
planned
with
B
Corp,
the
Ashford
Academy
and
other
places
like
that
to
go
in
and
speak
to
both
parents
who
might
be
experiencing
certain
traits
that
their
children
are
going
through,
maybe
they're,
either
using
drugs
or
the
periphery
of
being
groomed
into
gangs,
etc,
etc,
and
equipping
those
parents
to
identify
those
signs
and
then
signpost
them
to
people
who
can
help
them
with
that
and
help
divert
their
kids
away,
but
also
to
give
the
kids
lived.
I
Experiences
from
people
who
perhaps
have
been
involved
in
drugs
gangs,
knife
crime
and
who've
then
come
out
the
other
end
to
share
their
story
to
give
them
the
reality.
Show
that
isn't
just
a
police
officer
saying
you
shouldn't
do
that
a
because
it's
wrong
because
you're
going
to
hurt
yourself
or
someone
else,
and
you
know
it's
going
to
impact
on
your
entire
life.
I
L
M
Thank
you,
I
guess
some
questions.
N
M
You
as
the
police,
so
you
were
mentioning
that
when
you
arrest
one
Albanian
gang
member
down
here,
they
are
replaced
with
another.
M
I
Yeah
we
do.
We
regularly
work
with
whether
it's
border
force
in
the
Metropol,
a
metropolitan
police.
I
It's
not
a
secret,
so
I
can
say
operation
Orochi,
which
is
a
dedicated
county
lines
team
in
London
that
if
we
have
anything
that
is
County
Line
suspected
within
any
of
the
Southeast
region,
we
can
go
to
them.
They
will
do
phone
work
and
get
evidence
for
us
probably
100
times
quicker
than
Hampshire
police
can
do
it
because
they
get
dedicated
resources
and
money
from
the
government
to
do
that,
because
we
have
massive
backlogs
of
phones
to
be
examined
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
But
unfortunately
it
is
a
steady
supply
of
people
who
are
trafficked.
I
So
we
work
with
the
missing
exploiting
traffic
team
within
Hampshire
to
identify
those
people,
but
they
are
a
commodity
to
those
gangs
and
you
you
get
them
deported
two
weeks,
they'll
be
back
in
another
part
of
the
country,
but
they'll
have
a
different
ID
and
the
only
way
you'll
ever
know
who
they
are
again
is
when
they
get
their
fingerprints
taken
in
custody,
and
you
find
that
they've
got
seven
different
identities
already
they're,
not
they're,
not
your
local
burglar
they're,
not
your
local
drug
dealer
or
drug
user.
I
That
you
know
by
sight
that
you
know
you
can
go
after
they
are.
You
know
almost
invisible
they'll
drive
around
in
a
car,
that's
10
years
old,
that's
normally
taxed
and
insured,
so
that
if
you're
driving
around
and
you
do
a
check
on
it,
nothing
seems
to
be
out
of
the
ordinary
generally,
but
they'll.
I
There's
things
you
can
pick
up
on,
for
example,
they'll
insure
a
car.
This
is
some
old
chap
who
lives
in
Ipswich.
Who
will
never
know
that
he's
had
his
details
used
to
insure
a
car,
they'll
pay
for
the
insurance
and
it
will
be
insured
just
not
to
to
that
chat,
but
when
it
pings
an
ampr
camera,
we
do
a
check
on
it.
The
car
seems
legitimate,
so
it's
just
it's
been
on
the
ground
and
knowing
where
to
look
and
where
to
to
find
them.
Unfortunately,
okay.
M
On
I,
guess
you
know,
are
you
getting
enough
support
from
from
other
of
areas?
You
know?
Is
there
more
that
can
be
done,
but
also
you
know.
We
mentioned
that
there
are
a
number
of
different
gangs.
Is
there
a
competing
space
going
on
within
bezier
Stoke?
You
know
gang
on
gang
violence,
I
wouldn't
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
Warfare
we're
not.
You
know.
I
No
I
wouldn't
call
it
Warfare,
but
the
the
way
gangs,
Operate
Now,
is
very
different
to
how
it
was
maybe
10
or
15
years
ago,
when
people
would
be
out
on
the
streets
dealing
now
the
model
generally
is
they
will
find
a
vulnerable
drug
user
and
they
will
cook
you
their
house,
so
they
will
use
their
house
to
do
drugs
for
them.
So
it
takes
the
problem
of
drug
dealing
that
you
used
to
see
on
the
streets
which
can
be
quite
intimidating
away
into
somebody's
property.
I
That
then
leads
you
to
other
issues
around
how
they
treat
those
vulnerable
people,
other
things
that
go
on
in
those
properties,
the
weapons
that
they
can
hide
there.
You
do
have
the
issue
that
one
gang
will
decide
that
they'll
go
and
Rob
the
other
gang,
so
they'll
break
into
the
house
with
weapons,
steal
their
drugs
and
their
money,
and
then
they'll,
maybe
they'll
be
a
fight.
Someone
will
get
injured.
Ultimately,
if
you're
a
drug
dealer
and
you
get
stabs
and
the
police
turn
up.
I
You're
normally
very
uncooperative,
and
it's
a
it's
another
knife
crime
incident
that
we
are
unable
to
solve
because
they
will
not
in
any
way
they'll
tell
you.
They
fell
over
in
the
kitchen
and
you
know
onto
a
fork
while
they
were
cooking
their
pasta
surrounded
by
you
know
all
the
stuff
they
have
there.
So
that's
that's
tricky
to
deal
with
in
itself.
I
I
But
me
saying
this
all
to
you
like
I,
say:
I
live
in
basing
soap
I.
Let
my
kids
go
out.
I
I!
Don't
want
people
to
feel
that
we're
in
some
massive
drugs
cartel
adult
town.
I
I
N
You
this
one
relates
really
to
how
drugs
are
dropped
off
and
move
to
Maryland.
We
are
well
aware
and
study
residents
are
reporting
to
us
that
packages
and
people
are
still
being
dropped
off
in
various
places.
You've
got
example
is
downrange
late
at
night,
and
this
important
they've
been
out
there
walking
the
dogs
or
walking
in
themselves
and
they've
seen
packages
being
dropped
off,
Vehicles
come
and
the
package
dropped
off
to
another
vehicle,
and
then
both
vehicles
disappear
very
quickly.
N
That's
just
one
example
that
is
continuing,
so
I'm,
assuming
that's
something
you
keep
an
eye
on
and
you
either
can't
stop,
or
it's
probably
possibly
not
a
good
idea
to
stop,
because
you're
getting
Intel
from
that,
but
the
other
one
we're
all
so
well
with
the
use
of
electric
scooters
to
do
fast,
fast,
movement,
movement
of
small
amounts
of
drugs,
we've
seen
that
happen,
Country
Village
Hall
was
one
good
example
where
we've
seen
stuff
dropped
off
Stratton
Park
the
Scout
huts,
and
it
goes
back
also
to
how
how
we
are
now
as
about
how
we're
managing
electric
scooters,
because
they're
becoming
a
real
nuisance
and
there's
been
no
end
of
accident
to
them.
I
Sure
so
yeah
there's
there's
any
way
you
can
think
of
for
people
to
move
drugs,
they'll
they'll.
Do
it
whether
it's
an
e-scooter,
a
car,
a
bike,
whatever
it
might
be,
the
people
will
use
it.
So
I
can't
say:
there's
one
definitive
way.
I
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
again,
compared
with
2010
levels
before
we
start
having
the
cuts.
Basin
Stokes
footprint
on
the
ground
in
terms
of
police
out
on
the
beat
is
probably
50
of
what
it
was,
which
makes
a
massive
difference
in
terms
of
e-scooters.
That's
that's
a
that's.
A
separate
problem
and
part
of
that
problem
comes
with.
How
do
you
stop
them
who's,
trying
to
stop
them?
I
How
do
you
stop
them
without
killing
people,
because
it
it
happened
a
few
years
ago
with
mopeds,
particularly
in
the
Met,
where
they
gave
authority
for
officers
to
basically
just
not
knock
people
off
their
mopeds?
If
they
failed
to
stop
and
kids
would
take
the
helmet
off,
they
would
know
that
the
police
generally
wouldn't
knock
them
off,
because
there's
a
high
chance,
you'll
kill
someone,
but
they
started
doing
it
until
we
killed
a
few
people
and
got
heavily
criticized,
and
so
they
stopped
doing
it.
I
What
we
have
done
in
Basingstoke
is
the
pcc's
office.
We
had
to
bid
for
some
money,
but
we
bid
for
some
electric
bikes,
so
we've
got
some
electric
bikes
that
can
actually
keep
up
with
these
scooters
that
my
team
just
got
and
are
just
being
trained
on
and
we're
putting
together
a
training
package
so
that
you
can
safely,
as
you
can
do
basically
drag
these
people
off
their
e-scooters
and
arrest
and
arrest
them.
M
I
Deal
with
them,
but
again
that
comes
with
a
risk
both
to
the
officer
and
to
the
person
that
you're
that
you're
looking
to
to
take
off
the
scooter,
but
I
think
the
risks
are
worth
it
if
they're
proportionate
at
the
time
and
depending
on
where
you're
doing
it.
I
As
for
the
wider
issue
of
these
scooters,
it's
offenses
under
the
road
traffic
act,
but
it's
really
tricky
because
you've
got
14
year.
Old,
kids,
who
don't
realize
are
actually
doing
anything
wrong,
but
when,
if
you
stop
them
and
deal
with
them
in
the
letter
of
the
law,
that's
like
a
600
pound.
Fine,
it's
six
points
on
your
driving
license,
which
means
when
they
come
to
get
provisional
driving
license.
I
I
And
then,
if
we
do
season,
we
can
use
them
for
some
of
our
trading,
particularly
with
the
BSG.
We
did
that
we
took
quite
a
few
off
off
of
them,
which
we
then
used
for
for
training
in
the
taking
subjects
off
of
them.
But
it's
not
it's
not
something
that
I
can
tell
you.
We
can
fix
quickly
because
the
training
just
isn't
there
and
the
legislation
isn't
there
for
us
to
deal
with
it.
D
G
In
as
well
just
on
some
of
the
points
around
yeah,
not
not
specifically
downgrange,
but
in
relation
to
the
intelligence
as
well
and
Community,
intelligence
is
something
which
is
is
very
valuable
in
terms
of
the
police
being
able
to
use
in
Basingstoke.
We
get
the
a
monthly
report
sent
through
for
the
whole
County,
which
details
the
amount
of
intelligence
which
has
gone
in
and
Basingstoke
is,
is
always
one
of
the
the
top
areas
in
terms
of
the
number
of
intelligence
and
I.
G
Think
that's
really
important,
because
that's
able
to
then
be
used
and
processed
and
considered
in
relation
to
tackling
things,
and
that's
something
where
elected
members
can
are
able
to
use.
That
and
CPI
form
as
well
is
a
form
which
is
designed
specifically
for
professionals
rather
than
members
of
public,
and
we
would
always
encourage
members
of
the
public
to
report
crime
yeah
via
one
of
one
of
the
reporting
routes,
whether
that's
999,
emergency
or
101..
G
The
community
intelligence
can
be
used
and
that's
something
which
can
be
used
by
members
to
actually
put
through
to
the
police
about
things
which
are
coming
up
in
in
your
local
communities
as
well.
I've
been
in
conversation
with
the
inspector
which
deals
with
intelligence
recently
about
training
sort
of
package
and
I.
Wonder
if
that,
if
that's
something
which
members
would
find
useful,
potentially
whether
that's
something
which
we
could
consider
expanding
out
to,
if
that's
something
which
would
be
useful.
I
If
I
could
just
say
just
very
quickly
on
that
intelligence
is
what
drives
the
police
without
intelligence,
we're
just
driving
around
until
someone
rings
in
and
says
the
crimes
happened.
We
need
to
know
from
all
your
communities
what
they
see
what
they
hear,
how
they
feel
and
report
it
to
us.
I
So
we
can
put
resources
where
they
need
to
be
when
they
need
to
be
because
we
we
can't
just
Patrol
everywhere
all
the
time
and
hope
that
we're
there
when
something
happens,
so
I
would
encourage
anyone
to
report
anything
if
they
see
a
blue
van
that
they
think
is
suspicious
in
a
place
that
isn't
normally
there
and
they
get
the
number
plate
reported
to
us,
because
that
could
be
the
one
missing
bit
of
information.
We
need
to
solve
a
burglary
to
solve
the
kidnapping
to
so
whatever
it
might
be.
I
Just
encourage
people
to
report
stuff
as
much
as
you
can
and
as
much
as
the
reporting
systems
are
not
great
I
would
still
ask
them
to
do
it.
F
Yeah
I
mean
the
reporting
systems
are
incredibly
frustrating
for
many
residents
and
that's
a
big
break
that
I
get
in
particular.
What's
the
point
ring
in
101
if
I
sit
on
it
for
half
an
hour
and
nobody
pays
a
blind
but
attention
to
what
I'm
giving
so
that
sense
of
it
is
really
frustrating
it's
frustrating
for
you,
let
alone
for
us.
I
do
understand
that
just
on
the
drugs
issue,
just
coming
back
on
my
original
question,
I
think
again,
this
is
just
feedback
in
terms
of
experience.
F
You
walk
around
the
town
and
shall
we
say
it
is
far
more
prevalent
to
smell
cannabis
on
the
streets
than
I
have
ever
known
it.
Let
me
put
it
like
that,
and
it's
quite
shocking,
and
that
is
a
feedback,
a
lot
from
residents,
just
the
prevalence
of
its
that
they
notice
and
see,
and
also
the
visibility
of
drugs
on
the
streets
in
that
way
is
something.
That's
very
senior.
You've
already
said
it
in
terms
of
your
street
patrolling
and
you
know
the
lack
of
police
officers
in
the
first
place.
F
I
get
that
that
doesn't
take
away
for
the
fact.
I
think
what
residents
are
genuinely
experiencing
in
some
of
them
communities?
That's
very
difficult.
It's
interesting
that
you
mentioned
partnership
working
because
I'd
highlight
Environmental
Health
in
that
role,
and
my
recent
experience
of
trying
to
deal
with
hmos
has
been
really
complicated
because
sometimes
the
landlords
are
less
than
attentive
to
what's
going
on
inside
their
properties,
and
it
is
extremely
difficult
to
deal
with.
What's
going
on
inside.
F
Their
properties
and
I
would
like
us
to
be
far
more
vociferous
as
a
council
shutting
down
hmos
that
have
had
any
relationship
to
drugs
because
I
don't
think
that
really
is
being
tackled
as
strongly
as
perhaps
it
should
be.
But
that's
my
reaction
to
a
frustration
I
have
with
that
particular
issue
and
that's
a
conversation
perhaps
for
another
place
in
terms
of
just
three
other
bits
to
raise
with
you.
I
thought
is
important.
Sense
of
safety
at
night
is
back
as
a
major
issue.
F
F
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
A
few
points
there
and
yeah
can
discuss
that
in
terms
of
I'll.
Go
with
the
last
point
in
relation
to
our
Cohen's
on
the
streets,
and
it's
interesting
that
you
say:
there's
been
the
yeah
displacement,
perhaps
from
the
public
space
protection
order,
which
we've
got
in
place
for
the
Town
Center
small
parts
of
Northern
and
parts
of
eastrop
as
well,
and
and
Brook
banking's
fellow
Awards.
G
So
there's
a
public
space
protection
order
in
place
which
which
allows
officers
the
opportunity
to
seize
alcohol
if
it's
connected
without
social
behavior,
and
so
it
doesn't
completely.
It's
not
blanket
ban
on
Street
drinking,
but
where
on
social
behavior
is
concerned,
then
there's
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
have
a
conversation
nine
times
out
of
ten.
Actually,
when
you're.
Having
that
conversation,
ask
someone
to
stop
drinking
or
move
on
or
comply
with
the
requests
they
will
do.
G
But
then
there
is
that
power
which
can
be
used
in
relation
to
progressing
that
further,
if
needed.
One
of
the
things
which
obviously
is
a
consideration,
is
that
displacement
and
are
there
issues
which
have
been
reported
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
part
of
you
know
that
intelligence,
picture
and
understanding
and
knowing
where
that
is
for
us
to
then
to
be
able
to
use
the
powers
which
you've
got
available
to
us,
and
if
that
means
that
there
is
enough
evidence
to
say
this
is
having
a
detrimental
impact
on
this
community.
G
It's
persistent
it's
continuing,
then.
That's
that's,
of
course,
something
which
we
can.
We
can
consider
as
a
district
council
and
working
closely
with
the
police
and
and
other
partners
to
whether
we
consult
on
whether
that
order
needs
to
be
extended
at
all,
but
obviously
that
would
need
to
be
something
which
we
look
at
and
we
always
rely
on
our
our
data
to
provide
our
evidence
to
to
get
to
our
stage
I'll.
Let
Debbie
talk
about
domestic
abuse.
H
Thanks
so
just
to
finish
on
the
point
that
Dan
was
making
about
the
potential
displacement
of
the
alcohol
as
well
in
regards
to
that,
what
we
need
in
the
intelligence
would
be
useful
to
know
where
those
areas
are
and
things
that
you're.
Seeing.
So
are
you
getting
reports
from
the
members
of
Public
Health?
H
I,
don't
know
whether
any
of
you've
noticed.
That's
the
sort
of
stuff
that's
happening
at
the
moment
because
of
those
sorts
of
issues
we're
taking
away
party
holes
things
like
that,
and
that's
a
really
easy
way
of
improving
people's
feelings
of
safety
as
well,
because
when
you
walk
around
the
corner,
it's
nice
and
clear,
and
that's
a
similar
sort
of
thing
that
we're
looking
at
in
relation
to
downgrange,
because
that
was
brought
to
our
attention
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
about
around
the
drug
dealing.
H
But
we
know
that
there
are
other
issues
up
there
with
regards
to
motorbike
things
like
that
as
well.
So
that's
something
that
we'll
look
at
in
the
time
to
come
in
regards
to
the
domestic
abuse
side
of
things,
I
think
most
of
you
will
be
aware
of
the
white
ribbon
accreditation
that
we
have
within
the
council
and
the
work
that
goes
on
around
that,
as
well
as
the
housing
teams,
domestic
abuse,
housing,
accreditation,
they're
working
I
think
they
came
to
cep
last
month
without
dealing
with
Kate.
H
With
her
reports
on
the
work
there,
we
have
and
I
coordinate
the
domestic
abuse
forum
for
Basics
taking
Dean,
which
is
a
really
successful
group.
H
Where
we
have
all
of
the
partners
involved
in
that
and
there's
lots
of
information
sharing
lots
of
ideas
and
moving
things
forward
in
the
Bible,
so
where
we've
got
concerns
around
people
that
aren't
able
to
report
those
sorts
of
things,
then
that's
where
we
can
raise
those
sorts
of
issues
and
what
we
can
do
about
those
things.
So,
if
you've
got
things
like
that
that
you
want
to
bring
to,
would
you
like
me
to
bring
to
the
Forum
on
your
behalf?
And
there
are
concerns
particular
areas?
O
O
So
we're
just
going
to
come
back
on
the
point
you
made
about
hmos
and
some
of
the
problems
that
you've
associated
with
those.
So
obviously
we
do
have
some
power
to
strengthen
Powers
through
HMO
licensing,
where,
if
a
landlord's
got
to
meet
within
proper
person
test-
and
therefore
you
know,
if
they're
convicted
of
any
offenses
involving
drugs,
they
would
clearly
not
be
deemed
to
be
fed
proper
and
would
lose
their
license.
You
know
we
do
have
some
work
with
the
police.
O
We'll
say
police
lead
on
these
sorts
of
issues,
usually
to
look
at
certain
powers.
They've
got
to
close
premises,
which
we
have
done
on
occasions
in
the
past.
It's
very
rare,
but
again
it
will
be
based
on
the
sort
of
evidence
that
comes
forward
and
in
a
persistent,
ongoing
problems
associated
with
particular
properties.
But
you
know,
there's
a
variety
of
different
powers
that
do
exist.
So
I
think
goes
back
to
the
point
that
was
made
earlier.
F
Picking
that
up,
I
guess
my
experience
on
that
is
interesting.
Because
and
again
please
correct
me:
if
any
of
this
is
wrong
and
there
should
have
been
another
process
to
follow
in
clearly
it's.
This
is
anecdotal
a
particular
case
where
drugs
were
involved
by
multiple
occupants
of
a
HMO.
They
were
violent
in
the
street.
The
police
will
call
them
multiple
occasions.
The
landlord
was
not
involved
in
it,
but
nonetheless
sympathized
with
helping
support
to
those
poor
people
who
are
taking
the
drugs
and
in
the
context
of
it
the
community
was
suffering
terribly
because
of
it.
F
Now
the
police
obviously
did
whatever
they
did.
The
landlord
is
still
continuing
to
harm
on
those
people
and
nothing's
happened
since
and
I'm
left
thinking.
Well,
okay,
I
never
got
a
report
back
I
never
got
any
information
back
as
somebody
sharing
something
and
sometimes
I.
Perhaps
I
don't
expect
that
because
you
give
the
information
and
of
course
the
police
take
it
seriously
and
act
on
it,
they'll
always
have
to
come
back
to
you
and
Lord.
Should
they
come
back
to
you,
but
there's
just
that
sense
of
saying
it's
still.
F
There
I've
seen
no
difference
and
that's
just
one
example:
I've
got
of
hmos
and
I
could
give
you
probably
a
couple
more,
but
it
was
just
that
sense
of
sometimes
it's
frustrating
when
you
don't
see
anything
happening
and
you
don't
understand
well,
have
these
people
been
dealt
with,
perhaps
they
have
been
I,
don't
know,
but
the
drugs
issues
are
continuing.
It's
nice.
If
it's
gone
away
or
stopped.
O
B
J
Yes,
thank
you
chat,
going
back
onto
the
the
drugs
issue,
I
think
as
well.
I
think
the
police
officers
are
exactly
right,
we're
just
getting
this
into
a
reality
check
on
the
knife
crime
business
because,
yes,
there
are
some
people
that
are
using
IF
protection
and
involved
in
drugs,
plus
a
very,
very
tiny
percentage
of
the
people
and
most
of
them
from
basing
so
they're
traveling
to
stoke
numbers
here.
163
crimes,
21
22,
possession
of
offensive
weapons
and
a
lot
of
those
will
not
have
been
people
involved
in
gangs.
J
It
would
have
been
people
that
are
perhaps
homeless
and
use
it
for
survival.
Police
have
no
choice
these
days
with
knife
priming.
What
it
is
they
have
to
charge.
They
have
to
take
them
to
court,
so
they
can't
some
might
have
been
disposed
of
in
other
ways
previously.
So
it's
getting
into
the
context,
it's
a
very
safe
place
to
live
amazing.
We
should
not
be
scared.
J
Don't
have
nightmares
I
appreciate
totally
that,
because
that
will
pick
up
on
the
stabbing,
because
there's
big
news
they're
not
going
to
pick
up
on
the
fact
that
it's
a
very
rare
thing.
What
concerned
me
most
and
probably
the
officer
a
question
for
the
officer,
but
it's
probably
when
I
have
to
say
to
the
County
Council
on
page
87,
it's
about
drug
crime
and
again
you
can
look
at
the
drug
crime
figures
and
the
possession
of
drugs
is
or
it
was
293
crimes.
J
But
we
know
that
you
know
if
you're
a
heroin
addict
very
quickly.
Your
tolerance
grows.
You
very
quickly
need
to
get
50
60
pounds
a
day
to
fund
your
habit,
you're,
probably
on
Universal
Credit,
isn't
60
pounds
a
day,
so
you
can
probably
put
most
of
the
shoplifting
a
lot
of
the
bicycle
theft.
A
lot
of
the
vehicle
interference,
business,
burglaries,
residential
burglaries,
robberies
all
down
to
drugs.
J
It's
a
massive,
the
the
drug,
the
effect
drug
offenses
are
fairly
victimless
directly,
but
the
indirect
victims,
because
of
drugs
is
huge
and
most
of
the
victims
that
are
affected
by
drugs
are
not
perfected
by
the
drugs
themselves
by
the
person
actually
trying
to
fund
their
addiction.
What
frightened
me
is
when
I
look
at
page
87,
it
is
estimated
approximately
44
of
opiate
users
are
not
accessing
substance
misuse
services.
So
it's
44
of
the
current
heroin
addicts
in
Hampshire
are
not
getting
any
better
and
you
as
a
drug
user.
J
Why
have
we
only
got
what
I
mean?
Is
it
I
know
a
lot
of
people
don't
want
to
play.
So
the
thing
is
working
for
the
probation
service,
but
44
are
not
in
treatment.
Is
that
the
availability,
because
I
can't
believe
that
many
just
aren't
interested
yeah.
I
Having
Works
in
custody,
I
would
say
the
majority
of
the
reason,
for
that
is
people
not
engaging,
because
anyone
who
comes
into
custody,
who
has
some
kind
of
drug
issue
that
we
know
about,
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
liaise
with
the
drug
worker
there
and
then
in
custody
and
the
opportunity
once
they
leave.
I
What
we
have
done
in
the
last
six
months
is
introduced
a
drugs
trigger,
so
there's
certain
offenses
in
law
that
allow
us.
If
a
person
commits
a
certain
type
of
offense
when
they
come
into
custody,
we
can
test
them
for
drugs
to
say
that
there's
a
correlation
between
potentially
you're
offending
and
your
drug
use.
I
They
then
have
to
attend
two
meetings
with
drug
workers.
If
they
don't,
they
commit
further
offenses
and
potential
can
be
sent
to
prison.
That
is
a
scheme
that
has
only
just
starting
to
be
rolled
out.
In
my
experience
that
44
of
people
will
be
people
that
don't
want
to
engage
they
like
being
on
drugs.
They
would
rather
have
their
kids
in
care
to
give
up
drugs
and
that's
the
reality
of
their
lives.
I
They
don't
necessarily
see
any
other
way
out
and
no
matter
what
you
offer
them
and
what
you
can
show
them
is
on
the
horizon
when
they
get
out
of
custody
or
they
walk
down
the
street
and
they
get
that
urge
to
go
and
do
it.
That's
what
they'll
go
and
do
and
that's
the
unfortunate
reality
of
their
their
existence.
G
G
Council
have
been
yeah
responsive
to
that
in
relation
to
some
additional
funding,
which
has
come
in
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
in
terms
of
the
strategy
which
they've
developed
around
that
is
public
at
the
moment,
I
was
in
a
meeting
recently
and
it
was
it
was
at
the
stage
of
still
in
the
final
stage
of
development.
I
know,
there's
been
some
funding
which
has
come
forward
in
relation
to
treatment
for
drug
and
alcohol
and
and
engaging
more
people
into
that
and
I
think
that's
something
which
is
being
developed
as
well.
P
And
right
I'm
I'm
interested
in
what
you
said
about
people's
houses
being
vulnerable
people
and
their
houses
being
cocoed
I
mean
is
used
as
a
drug,
then
would
that
be
fair
to
say
what's
the
prevalence
of
raw
drug
use
and
you
find
that
this
practice
happens
in
rural
areas
and
also
because
it
does
remind
me
of
something
local
to
me,
as
in
the
community
and
as
Ward
members?
Is
this
something
that
we
can
I?
P
I
So
yeah
the
the
same
model
is
used
in
rural
areas
as
well
as
in
the
town,
obviously
not
as
widely,
because
the
density
of
the
population
in
towns
is
more
so
that
you
could.
It
lends
itself
to
multiple
people
being
cooked
at
any
one
time
in
terms
of
reporting.
I
It
all
all
the
same
avenues
that
you
have
at
the
moment,
whether
it's
101,
whether
it's
online
people
can
report
it
through
Crime
Stoppers,
that's
completely
anonymous,
and
if,
even
if
it
comes
to
Crime
Stoppers,
we
can
then
still
go
and
action
that
we
don't
have
to
go
around
and
do
a
drug
trade
on
the
house.
We
can
go
around
and
do
a
safe
and
well
check
on
a
person
and
just
use
our
eyes
and
ears
and
see
what
we
see.
I
We
can
then
go
back
and
make
a
better
plan
to
to
go
back
and
deal
with
that
problem,
so
it
all
of
all
of
it,
comes
down
to
reporting
and
how
you,
how
your
you
know,
your
constituents,
what
they
see
and
what
they
tell
you
and
what
you
encourage
them
to
do
with
that.
D
H
I
can
add
a
little
bit
further
on
that
as
well
in
terms
of
reporting
as
councilors.
You
are
able
to
use
what
they
call
the
community
partnership
information
sharing
form
as
well,
because
you
are
seen
as
kind
of
professionals.
H
That's
the
form
that's
available
online
and
something
that
we
can
add
to
part
of
the
training
package
for
you,
I'm
sure
you'll
be
happy
to
go
through
that
with
you
at
a
later
Point
as
well.
It's
another
way
of
getting
information
in
from
the
community
doesn't
take
away
the
101
calls
or
anything
else,
but
it's
just
another
way
of
getting
information
through.
P
There's
a
quick
question
as
well
with
how
the
network
do
you
feel
like
the
base
and
Stoke
sort
of
drug
network
has
sort
of
inspired
his
web
effect
into
rural
areas,
or
is
it
separate.
I
They're
I
would
say
they're
all
interlinked
people
will
employ
other
people
to
take
their
drugs
out
to
rural
areas
and
sell
them
for
them.
So
yeah
there's
no
easy
answer
to
it,
but
it's
it's
generally
the
same
people
that
are
involved
in
selling
in
the
town
and
selling
in
the
rural.
The
further
you
go
in
the
world,
whether
it's
south
or
north
of
Basingstoke
means
that
you
then
get
into
some
of
those
people
might
be
actually
from
Reading
Newbury
or
they
might
be
from
Autumn
or
Winchester
or
somewhere
else.
But
yeah.
Q
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
for
coming
on
tonight.
It's
an
interesting
subject
with
this
report.
Q
I
just
have
two
questions
really
the
first
one
is
I'd
like
to
try
and
understand
what
is
being
done
to
make
my
residents,
who
are
in
rural
towns
and
Villages
feel
safer
when
they're
being
subjected
to
anti-social
Behavior,
both
through
Youth
and
also
graffiti,
is
the
first
part,
and
secondly,
I'd
also
like
to
try
and
understand
what
is
being
done
about
the
the
unauthorized
vehicle
get-togethers
that
we
are
hearing
so
much
about.
Through
the
you
know,
the
northern
part
of
of
the
town.
Thank
you.
G
Probably
yeah
start
with
in
relation
to
some
of
the
the
rural
locations,
and
you
know
feeling
of
safety
for
residents
in
rural
areas
and
how
we
respond
to
and
search
behavior
and
graffiti
instance
there
as
well
I.
Think
again,
with
the
starting
point.
Is
it's
it's
important
to
have
that
intelligence
of
what's
Happening
locally,
so
the
cspo
team
and
that's
one
of
their
main
roles?
Is
that
engagement
with
with
the
local
community
to
actually
establish?
What's
going
on
a
key?
G
You
know
whether
that's
with
local
businesses,
whether
that's
with
schools,
whether
that's
with
counselors,
whether
that's
with
other
parts
of
the
community
or
Community
groups
such
as
neighborhood
watch
schemes
as
well,
and
actually
being
able
to
find
out
and
understand
where
the
issues
are
taking
place
as
the
first
step
in
terms
of
the
cspos
and
how
they
respond
to
incidents,
and
they
have
a
once
they're,
not
a
response
service.
G
They
have
a
a
priority
Patrol
list
which
they'll
work
to
for
the
main
priorities
which
they're
having
at
the
time,
and
that
really
comes
down
to
the
the
things
which
have
been
reported
and
where
stuff's
going
in
going
on
and
we're
LinkedIn
locally.
G
We'll
attend
the
police's
daily
management
meeting
in
the
morning
and
and
The
Wider
partnership
meetings
as
well
to
understand
where
that
intelligence
is
coming
from
what
the
picture
is
in
terms
of
what's
happening
with
that
social
behavior
and
then
response
plans
can
be
looked
at
in
terms
of
problem-solving
elements
to
see
what
needs
to
happen
with
that
I
think
just
to
point
out
as
well.
G
In
terms
of
specifically
for
the
rural
areas,
we've
recently
increased
the
the
csbo
vehicles
that
they've
they've
had
another
vehicle,
so
I'm
free,
so
that
will
enable
further
patrols
within
some
of
the
rural
areas
as
well
and
and
coverage
of
some
of
the
rural
communities,
which
is
important
in
terms
of
the
graffiti
again
and
I.
Think
that's
been
something
which
has
cropped
up
locally
and
is
something
which
I
think
certainly
I.
I've
noticed
more
of
within
the
town
area
and
I.
G
Think
again,
it
comes
down
to
that
being
able
to
understand
and
and
what
the
local
picture
is
who's
potentially
involved
and
how
we
can
go
about
doing
that.
Now.
The
chances
of
actually
someone
with
someone
here
who
may
be
out
on
duty,
whether
that's
police
officer,
whether
that's
a
csbo
when
they're
on
patrols,
they've,
obviously
got
a
chance
of
seeing
that.
However,
we'll
rely
on
intelligence
to
the
public,
about
where
that's
happening,
the
type
of
locations
who
may
be
involved,
the
types
of
tags
which
are
happening,
all
them
sorts
of
things
and
I.
G
Think
actually
that
we
have
to
look
at
the
sort
of
wider
picture
of
the
community
and
really
seeking
the
support
from
the
community
to
say,
because
people
must
be
seeing
these
things
happen
and
actually
being
able
to
report
it
and
provide
that
intelligent
which
enables
action
to
then
be
taken
in
terms
of
the
wide
relevance.
And
we
will
look
at
that.
Is
that
then
work
with
with
local
shops.
Looking
at
the
the
kind
of
other
avenues
of
where
people
may
be
accessing
spray
paint
and
them
types
of
things.
G
G
H
Yes,
so
you've
I,
don't
know
whether
you've
all
seen
in
the
basil,
Stoke
and
Dean's
day.
Edition,
that's
just
come
out
that
has
more
of
the
article
about
the
car
meets.
We
are
working
in
partnership
with
police
and
with
others
in
relation
to
the
unauthorized
car
meets.
So
we've
done
a
number
of
things.
I,
don't
know
it
started
off
with
work
that
happened
in
Sainsbury's
and
now
they've
got
various
motions
in
place.
There
we've
then
been
working
with
Asda
and
other
areas.
H
So,
as
our
areas
are
identified,
we
are
looking
at
various
things.
So
we've
got
things
like
signage
up
that
says
you
may
have
seen
it
around.
The
borough
that
just
says
car
meets
are
not
acceptable
and
that
we'll
be
pleased
to
be
looking
at
section,
59
warnings
and
things
like
that,
and
then
we've
been
looking
at.
H
What's
on
our
own
land
and
things
that
we
can
do
there,
we've
been
looking
at
social
media
and
media
releases
that
the
police
are
doing
so
after
there's
been
a
car
meet
and
there's
been
some
results,
then
we're
publicizing
that
we're
working
also
wider
and
are
asking
to
talk
about
the
wider
County
work
around
that
as
well
with
our
partners
across
the
county,
because
it's
something
that
happens
everywhere
and
the
thing
is
because
the
better
we
get
at
it
we're
displacing
it
to
other
areas,
so
we're
looking
at
ways
to
make
sure
that
we
are
dealing
with
it
properly
and
across
the
whole
County
as
well.
H
We
are
quite
fortunate
that
we,
we
don't
get
that
many
now,
but
when
they
do
happen,
we
have
a
really
good
response
to
that.
The
police
are
aware
of
it.
The
cspa
is
aware
of
it
and
they're
quite
quickly
able
to
go
and
shut
those
thing
down.
The
issue
is,
and
I
think
we've
discussed
this
before-
is
that
we
don't
know
when
they're
coming
and
Basingstoke
is
quite
a
good
area
in
terms
of
the
road
Network.
H
I
Yes,
a
car
meets
or
a
false
priority
across
the
county,
so
basic
circuit
isn't
the
only
place
to
suffer
with
them
by
any
means
they
are
discussed
if
they're
happening
every
day
at
nine
o'clock,
four
o'clock
and
nine
o'clock
again
at
Night
by
whoever
is
in
charge
of
the
force.
So
if
there's
one
going
on,
they
will
prioritize
that
as
one
of
their
one
of
their
issues
to
deal
with.
I
So
as
Debbie
said,
the
difficulties
are
that
they
happen
spontaneously
from
the
point
of
view
that
they
are
organized
by
them,
but
we're
not
in
with
them
we're
not
on
their
Instagram
Pages,
because
they're
closed
private
groups
that
we
don't
have
access
to.
So
they
might
plan
them
when
we
do
get
intelligence
quite
often
that
intelligence
will
be
deliberately
given
to
us
so
that
we
put
lots
of
resources
in
one
place
and
they
go
to
another
which
makes
it
really
difficult.
I
So
if
you
don't
plan
for
them,
they
come
and
you
have
resources
which
are
there
just
able
to
deal
with
your
normal
909
calls,
and
you
don't
have
to
make
the
decision.
Do
I
go
to
someone's
burglary
or
do
I
go
to
a
car,
meet
and
I'm
sure
if
you're
being
burgled
you'd
say
come
to
my
house
and
not
go
to
the
car
meet.
So
that's
why
there's
sometimes
a
frustration
or
it's
perceived
that
the
police
don't
either
take
it
seriously
or
we
don't
respond
to
it.
It's
just.
I
I
So
your
your
discussion
around
graffiti
when
someone
reports
that
yes,
it's
really
important
to
your
community
but
to
Hampshire
police
at
the
moment
with
the
resources
they
have
they'll,
look
at
the
threat,
the
harm
and
the
risk
that
graffiti
poses
compared
with
a
burglary
compared
with
someone's
car
being
stolen,
whatever
it
might
be,
and
they
will
prioritize
those
things
over
the
graffiti
and
be
perfectly
honest,
and
it's
not
the
thing
I
like
to
say
they
will
probably
say.
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
caller,
that's
now
being
filed
and
they.
I
Down
and
that
will
be
the
last
the
community
team,
so
my
rural
team
who
are
based
in
tadley
will
see
that
and
they
will
off
their
own
back,
go
and
do
work
with
it,
but
what
they
won't
do
is
they
won't
get
a
task
with
a
Job
saying:
graffitis
happened
go
and
it
they
will
have
to
deal
with
that
on
top
of
their
own
workload,
as
it
is
at
the
moment
which
I
know
isn't
what
people
want
to
hear
and
if
you
had
a
different
inspector
here
they
might
flower
it
up
to
tell
you
something
different,
but.
G
K
G
I
Reality
is
that
it's
all
down
to
threat,
harm
and
risk
and
how
we
divide
our
resources
to
deal
with
it.
There's
just
it's
been
really
honest,
but
having
said
that
with
car
meets,
for
example,
we've
got
a
really
good
response
plan
in
place.
We've
got
really
good
evidence
Gathering
now
in
place
and
a
procedure
so
that,
as
and
when
the
car
meet
is
over
any
number
plate
that
we
can,
we
can
get
recorded
who's
committed.
I
We
also
identified
cars
that
are
on
false
plates,
but
no
insurance,
and
we
can
then
put
that
on
the
police
system
so
that
when
they
hit
cameras
and
they're
traveling
around
Hampshire
Thames
Valley,
wherever
they
might
be
going
that
can
get
flagged
up
and
whichever
local
force
it
is
or
local
areas
they're
in
can
stop
them
and
deal
with
them
and
seize
their
cars.
I
K
I
It
comes
down
to
what
can
you
actually
do
with
50
or
60
cars
and
six
offices
on
a
night?
It's
really
difficult
to
to
manage
that,
and
it
not
be
dangerous
as
well,
because
it's
been
quite
a
few
times
where
officers
have
been
taxed,
been
pushed
in
front
of
cars
and
various
other
things.
So
it's
just
weighing
all
of
that
up
all
right.
Hopefully,
I'll
answer
that
yeah.
H
Just
to
say
as
well
on
that
locally,
where
it's
been
with
our
land
and
we've
got
we've
identified
areas
and
hospitals
where
car
meets
have
either
have
been
or
likely
to
have
been.
Then
we've
been
working
with
our
environmental
health
and
our
Property
Services
team,
who
have
gone
out
to
those,
maybe
industrial
units,
and
things
like
that
into
those
businesses
that
have
got
those
nice
open
car
parks
and
just
had
to
chat
with
them
as
long
as
well
as
the
police
say,
these
are
the
sort
of
things
that
happen.
H
This
is
the
sort
of
thing
that
you
are
potentially
at
risk
of.
Have
you
got
a
gate?
Can
you
close
it
that
sort
of
thing,
because
what
they
need
is
space?
If
we
can
do
simple
things
like
that,
then
that
stops
people
getting
in
there
in
the
first
place,
so
it
just
makes
bathing
suit
a
little
bit
less
of
an
attractive
space
for.
H
D
K
Thank
you,
chair
I,
certainly,
unfortunately,
do
recognize
many
of
the
things
you
mentioned:
the
antisocial,
Behavior,
the
drugs,
the
rural
crime
and
I'm.
Hearing
that
the
single
most
useful
thing
we
can
do
is
make
sure
we
report
it
or
anything
that
we
see
that
we
think
is
suspicious
and
encourage
our
residents
to
do
so,
but
I'm
also
all
about
catching
them.
H
So
we
are
there's
lots
of
things
that
go
on
across
Hampshire
in
the
borough
in
terms
of
early
intervention,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
part
of
involta,
which
is
run
by
Children's
Services,
is
the
Eddie
help
Hub,
so
families
can
be
referred
to
the
early
help
Hub
and
they
meet
weekly
and
those
are
for
the
families
where
maybe
their
staff
struggle
with
the
behavior
of
their
children.
H
Things
like
that,
so
it
could
be
because
if
I
had
social
paper
and
a
number
of
other
issues
for
those
families
are
discussed
and
what
support
can
be
offered.
Sometimes
it's
intensive
support
and
they
might
talk
about
things
like
non-school
attendance
and
things
like
that,
so
that
sits
with
Children
Services,
but
we're
all
part
of
that.
We
have
engagement
with
schools
as
well.
So
we
know
some
of
the
young
people
who
are
not
attending
school
and
that's
part
of
the
work
that
comes
to
us.
H
A
H
If
they're
not
we'll,
look
at
that
as
well
and
we're
involved
in
children
need
planning
and
those
sorts
of
things
we
kind
of
cover
all
of
those
fits
we're,
also
working
with
our
youth
training
team
in
relation
to
some
of
the
things
that
they
do
so
they
have
a
a
Young
Person's
Intervention
Program.
So
we
can
refer
to
that
as
well
and
they
will
do
some
early
intervention
work
around
those
things
as
well.
H
So
we
in
the
warning
letters
that
we
send
out
often
the
cspa,
will
go
to
the
home
address
with
that
letter
to
say,
knock
on
the
door
and
say
we've
just
caught
your
child,
doing
whatever
it
might
be,
and
it
might
be
something
very
minor,
but
it's
just
to
let
you
know
on
this
occasion
we've
seen
them
they
may
have
been
in
agree
with
probably
building
whatever
they're
not
doing
just
to
let
you
know
this
is
what
we've
seen
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
about
it
this
time,
but
just
to
make
you
aware,
and
while
we're
here
is
there
anything
else
we
need
to
know.
H
Is
there
any
support
that
we
can
give
you
and
then
we
can
look
to
see
what
other
things
we
can
refer
into
as
well.
So
we
are
very
linked
up
in
terms
of
schools,
education
and
all
the
other
things
and,
as
Ian
mentioned
earlier,
the
basing
safe
event
is
just
one
of
those
kind
of
examples
of
what
we
do,
but
we're
Linked
In
with
afterwards
and
all
of
the
other
places
as
well.
E
Thank
you
if
I
could
just
intervene
briefly.
E
I
was
an
observer
to
the
ASB
panel
recently,
which
I
think
is
in
your
papers
and
talks
about
multi-agency
panel,
which
I
think
is
relevant
to
what
you're
talking
about
and
do
a
lot
of
the
things
that
tonight
actually,
which
is
artificial,
behavior
from
everything
from
young
people
causing
difficulties
and
evenings
through
to
quite
serious
things
that
are
on
their
way
to
more
serious
panels.
E
And
what
impressed
me
about
it
was
that
real
multi-agency
approach.
You
know:
Mental
Health,
Services,
social
care
services,
the
police,
our
community
safety
teams,
housing,
Housing,
Association,
Representatives
Health.
You
know
they
were
all
there
and
my
feeling
is
that
you
own
your
Professionals
in
in
those
walks
of
life,
only
attend
these
meetings.
E
If
they
get
something
out
of
it,
and
it
was
very
clear
that
all
those
agencies
felt
that
by
working
together,
they're
more
likely
to
get
a
better
outcome
for
those
young
pupils,
those
families
who
are
in
difficulties,
those
households,
they're
struggling
so
I-
think
there
are
multiple
things
that
go
on
it's
quite
hard
to
draw
out
one
or
two
areas,
but
I.
That's
what
I
I
like
about
these
meetings
is
that
it
just
makes
us
all
think.
Is
there
something
else
that
we
could
be
doing?
Is
it?
E
Are
there
other
things,
but
I
do
quite
a
lot
of
comfort
from
from
that
not
comfort's
wrong
word,
but
I
was
impressed
by
it
because
I
thought
actually
sometimes
as
well
counselors.
We
see
these
things
happening
and
we
might
report
them
and
we
might
not
know
what
happens
to
them,
because
these
things
are
naturally
cloaked
in
confidentiality,
because
these
are
all
vulnerable
people.
You
know,
and
you
can't
really
communicate
back
what's
going
on
to
perfectly
understand.
E
Secondly,
I
just
wanted
to
also
say
that
we
have
cspos
the
you
know.
The
council
employed
cspos
across
they're
allocated
different
patches
as
I'm
sure
you
know,
and
having
spent
some
time
with
a
couple
of
them
today
they
were
saying
actually,
if
counselors
do
want
to
go
out
with
them
and
are
in
their
patch
and
spend
some
time
with
them.
Do
ask
them.
E
C
Thank
you,
chair
and,
as
many
of
you
know,
I've
worked
quite
hard
to
raise
awareness
of
the
laws
around
e-scooters.
Just
coming
back
to
my
colleagues
comments
earlier
and
you
know,
I
mean
we.
We
still
get
major
problems
with
e-scooters
mopeds.
Even
yesterday,
I
had
a
report
forever
a
Scrambler
going
across
the
Victory
Park
pretty
quickly.
C
So
we
know
the
laws
around
vehicles
in
pedestrianized
areas,
but
have
we
actually
charged
anybody
locally
because
I
I
know
the
law
says
that,
yes,
we
can
charge
these
children
and
we
can
put
points
on
their
driving
license
before
they've
even
got
it,
and
but
have
we
actually
charged
anybody.
Thank
you.
I
All
the
time
and
I've
been
doing
it
since
I
was
a
PC
and
2004.,
so
I
can
confidently
say.
Yes,
we
do
it
all
the
time,
but
it's
not
it's
not
news
that
makes
around
public
domain
as
it
as
it
wouldn't
be.
So
that's
all
I
can
say
really
on
that.
C
Can
I
ask
that
perhaps
we
could
write
something
together
to
talk
about
what
has
been
done
and
the
impact
on
these
children
from
let's
call
it
flouting
the
law,
because
I
think
that
is
a
deterrent
I
mean
I
live
on
Winchester
Road,
which
is
the
main
route
into
the
Town
Center
through
all
of
the
Town
Center
through
I,
mean
East
drop
where
councilor
James
is
it's
a
huge
huge
issue
and
it
is
a
danger
and
so
I
think,
let's,
let's
go
for
prevention
rather
than
cure
here,
with
some
harsh
words
and
a
huge
thanks
to
Debbie
and
her
team
who've
been
really
supportive
with
with
trying
to
get
the
message
out
there
as
well.
B
Thank
you
I'm
from
this
really
interesting
discussion.
I've
heard
it's
absolutely
clear
that
for
me
it's
what
particularly
as
counselors,
we
do
need
to
be
educated
in
how
to
advise
people.
You
know
I
mean
with
the
various
things
that
come
my
way.
B
Somebody
in
my
rural
area
can
give
me
the
name
and
address
of
somebody
dealing
drugs.
What
do
I
do
without
what
do
I
advise
them?
Somebody's
seen
a
van
that's
behaving
suspiciously.
Is
it
cspo
pcso?
Is
it
101?
B
What
do
I
tell
them
to
do,
and
one
of
the
big
things
that
there
is
definitely
an
increase
in
anti-social
Behavior,
certainly
in
the
largest
Village
in
my
area,
which
is
Oakley,
may
not
be
reflected
in
the
figures,
because
once
again,
people
don't
know
what
to
do
with
it
and
I'd
be
really
interested
to
know
what
I
can
tell
them
and
they
say
to
me
I'm
experiencing
anti-social
Behavior,
but
what
do
I
do
on
the
spot?
For
instance,
there's
there's
one
particular
case
where
there's
someone
who's
clearly
got
serious
mental
issues.
B
Who
will
terrorize
people
in
our
local
shop?
He
will
shout
obscenities,
he'll
he'll
steal
nobody
dares
touching
whatever
they
do.
You
know
you
can't
touch
these
people,
you
can't
do
anything
or
there's
several
cases.
I've
heard
of
people
being
really
upset
by
young
teenagers
in
gangs
I
believe
they
come
across
from
Camp
shorts.
Richard.
Thank
you,
but
thank
you.
But
what
do
you
do?
They'll
shove,
a
child
off
a
slide
they'll
once
again,
they'll
swear
at
parents
and-
and
they
know
I
mean,
can
they
be
photographed
Ken?
What
do
we
do?
B
They
know
that
they're
Untouchable
as
well
and
I,
think
that
encourages
them,
because
that's
part
part
of
the
fun
I
can
say
what
I
like
to
you.
You
can't
do
anything
to
me
and
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
advise
people
which
is
obviously
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
partly
is
is
to
educate
us
and
give
us
some
Forum
where
you
know
we
can
actually
be
of
help
to
the
people
who
come
to
us.
Yes,
you're
itching
to
say
something.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
and
that's
a
really
good
point
and
I
think
actually,
the
link
between
yeah,
the
the
us
as
the
council
and
the
community
safety
team
and
the
police
and
and
your
role
as
Community
leaders
as
well
is
vitally
important
and
I
think.
Actually
we
do
see
some
of
them
good
partnership
activities
which
do
take
place
already,
and
some
of
the
work
which
the
team
particularly
out
and
about
on
the
ground,
have
in
relation
to
responding
and
resolving
some
of
them
issues
and
I.
G
Talk
if
you
like,
be
of
use
in
terms
of
helping
you,
you
in
your
roles
as
elected
members
and
Community
leaders
in
being
able
to
know
what
to
say
and
I
think
actually
that's
that's
something
which
we're
prepared
to
look
at
and
consider
the
best
way
of
doing
that
and
and
some
kind
of
training
session,
and
maybe
get
a
few
Partners
around
the
table
as
well.
G
So
a
few
ideas
is
which
which
could
come
out
of
it,
but
certainly
I
would
be
yeah
keen
on
where
we
can
help
and
support
you
as
elected
members
in
in
providing
that
advice,
because
people
are
going
to
be
coming
to
you
so
yeah
we're
happy
to
look
at.
Take
that
away
and
look
at
that
as
well.
I
think.
H
And
I
think
the
other
thing
to
mention
as
well.
We
have,
as
it's
mentioned,
I
thought
the
problem-solving
focus
group
that
we
have
we've
done
three
of
them
now,
so
they
meet
quite
monthly
so
again
where
those
things
are
being
reported.
As
you
see,
the
Strategic
assessment
is
picking
up
possible
areas
of
priorities.
The
problem
solving
focus
group
will
pick
up
where
reports
have
been
so
if
it
is
picking
up
things
like
the
parking
Oakley,
that's
somewhere
that'll
be
a
hotspot
that
will
then
be
put
on
the
ppas,
and
things
like
that.
H
So
again,
it's
important
to
to
be
reporting
those
things
and
we're
equally
we're
quite
happy
to
discuss
kind
of
individual
concerns
and
areas
with
you
as
well.
Outside
of
this.
O
So
the
VA
routine,
meeting
at
least
once
a
year,
particularly
for
new
members
of
all
members,
but
especially
capturing
new
members
as
well,
just
that
they're
fully
aware
of
what
the
reporting
mechanisms
are,
what
the
roles
and
responsibilities
are
of
the
different
agencies
sounds
like
that's.
That's
supported,
yeah.
D
L
Thanks
just
on
the
back
of
that,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I'd
written
down
that
I
wanted
to
ask
in
the
context
of
the
feedback
box
that
you
kindly
supplied
as
a
new
account.
Well
as
a
relative
new
councilman,
one
of
the
things
I'm
finding
not
so
much
difficult,
well,
I'm,
fine
I'm
up
against
is
that
I
have
absolutely
no
idea
what's
going
on
in
my
world
in
terms
of
this
crime
and
social
behavior.
So
it
would
be
really
useful
as
a
new
member
to
be
given
like
a
quick
cheat
sheet.
L
D
M
Thank
you
very
much.
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
actually
chair.
I'll
start,
though,
by
saying
that
I'm
slightly
disappointed
that
Oakley's
importing
its
anti-social
pay
having
grown
up
in
Oakley,
we
all
knew
PC
Oliver,
quite
well
as
as
children.
I.
Think
part
of
that,
though,
is
that
we
have
cspos
that
cover
like
large
areas
when
in
relation
to
like
the
previous
I
guess,
community
policing
model,
you
know,
as
I
said,
I
knew
PC
Oliver.
He
knew
all
the
kids
on
the
on
the
street.
M
He
knew
your
parents,
you
know
he
knew
where
you'd
be
on
a
Friday
night,
whereas
the
cspo
now
cannot
cover
his
beat
and
be
in
Oakley
winklebury.
You
know,
that's
that's
the
beat
that
our
cspo
covers
yeah.
How
can
we
address
that
and
linked
with
it?
M
Toby
I'm
still
trying
to
to
sort
out
a
beat
walk
with
him,
trying
to
link
it
in
with
the
police,
but
he's
noticed
issues.
We've
asked
residents
of
winkleberry
and
many
down
to
report
those
issues,
but
because
they
see
a
lack
of
direct
action
and
I
guess
it's
links
with
the
whole
prioritization
of
of
crime.
M
Are
we
seeing
a
drop
in
crimes
being
reported
at
such
a
low
level?
Things
like
the
motorbikes
going
through
the
Alleyways
and
across
the
park?
You
know
the
kids
that
are
playing
ball
games
where
it
says
no
ball
games.
You
know
those
sorts
of
things
like
how.
How
can
we
bump
these
incidents
up
the
priority
list,
so
that
residents
can
feel
that
action
is
being
taken
to
justify
them,
calling
in
every
time.
G
I'll
I'll
just
start
with
in
terms
of
how
we
resource
the
cspo,
Team
and
I
think
yes,
you're
right
it.
It
needs
to
be
quite
carefully
considered
in
relation
to
what's
going
on
and
where,
in
relation
to
the
geographical
points
of
contacts
areas
which
they
have,
and
that
is
primarily
for
that
contact
with
businesses
with
like
Ward
members,
with
with
schools
with
the
local
community
in
general
and
having
them
links
and
contact
to
understand
the
sort
of,
and
have
a
more
detailed
knowledge
about.
G
What's
going
on
in
particular
areas
that
brings
itself
and
that
just
having
them
communication,
some
of
that
contact
does
bring
a
level
of
actually
well.
We
know
that's
going
on
there.
We
know
that's
going
on
there.
We
know
that's
going
on
there
and
they're
able
to
respond
and
focus
their
Patrols
in
their
particular
areas,
some
of
the
key
ones
which
are
coming
up
regularly
and
some
of
the
things
which
we
discuss
in
Partnership.
That
will
then
be
looked
at
and
go
okay.
G
G
And
that's
where
the
team
has
that
priority
Patrol
list
and
their
work
off
them
particular
areas
as
well,
so
you're
right,
the
team
can't
be
everywhere
at
once,
and
they
can't
you
know,
cover
all
the
areas
but
I
think
using
the
intelligence
available
and
focusing
on
on
times
and
locations
which
are
causing
a
problem
hopefully
gets
a
a
level
of
coverage
which
is
yeah
which
which
helps
with
some
dealing
with
some
of
the
issues
within
that
locality.
G
I
think
in
terms
of
yeah,
some
of
the
promotion
of
some
of
the
things
and
some
of
the
things
which
do
happen
locally.
That
can
be
quite
difficult
and
that
can
be
a
challenge
and
and
you're
right
in
terms
of
getting
people
to
report
things
as
well.
I
think
that's.
That
is
a
challenge
and
I
think
it
perhaps
does
reflect
sometimes
on.
There
is
barriers
to
reporting
and
it's
looking
at
breaking
down
what
they
are
and
how
we
can
go
about
empowering
residents
to
be
involved
and
I.
G
Think
one
of
the
areas
I'm
on
the
ways
which
we
do.
That
is
really
encourage
that
Community
participation
and
things
so
neighborhood
watch
really
active
within
the
borough
and
I've
got
really
good
network
of
schemes
locally,
and
actually
that
provides
that
flow
of
information
between
partners
with
the
police,
with
the
council
with
other
partners
as
well
directly
to
the
community
and
it's
how
then
that
information
can
spread
out
within
the
local
area.
G
I
know
of
yeah
local
neighborhood
watch
schemes,
which
aren't
that
they
run
quite
dynamically,
depending
on
the
nature
of
that
community,
on
the
schemes
in
Bryson
Hill,
for
instance,
covers
a
much
wider
area
rather
than
just
a
particular
street,
but
the
information
is
able
to
be
shared
via
social
media
pages
and
things
like
that,
and
hopefully
some
of
using
some
of
them
routes
and
I
think
being
able
to
utilize
the
community
and
that
power
of
the
community
to
spread.
G
M
Yes,
I
guess:
is
there
anywhere
that
I
can
see
the
areas
the
PCO
pcso
has
cover
like?
Is
there
a
map
that
assigns
that
that
area,
because
I
was
just
reading,
Toby's
areas
are
like
winklebury,
Oakley,
North,
Waltham
and
the
canovers,
but
I
mean
they're
very
distinctly
different
areas
and
separated
by
quite
a
big
patch
of
Countryside.
You
know
three
or
four
miles
between
the
two
it
just
like.
M
G
Certainly
so
there
is
a
map
with
all
the
officers
details
on
them
happy
to
provide
that
to
I.
G
Haven't
got
it
on
me
now,
but
to
provide
that
after
so
that's
accessible
and
can
be
sent
around
to
members
and
I'm
I'm
sure,
with
policing
contacts
as
well
wean's
able
to
do
the
the
same,
maybe
not
with
a
direct
map,
but
there
is
points
of
contact
for
specific
Ward
areas
as
well
and
then
happy
to
take
away
and
have
a
look
at
and
and
see
if
there's
any
way
which
things
can
be
much
better.
O
G
Looked
at
in
terms
of
the
you
know,
populations
and
in
relation
to
crime
and
and
social
behavior,
which
was
taking
place
as
well
so
but
happy
to,
and
we
do
keep
that
under
constant
review
as
well
in
terms
of
where
works
best.
But
actually
it's
probably
one
which
we
can
take
away
as
having
a
look
at
as
well.
Fancier.
D
F
Harvey
and
then
counselors
thank
you
chair.
It's
only
to
raise
something
completely
different,
really
and
just
pick
up
the
character.
Joe's
right
challenge,
actually
in
terms
of
being
positive,
conscious,
would
raise
an
awful
lot
of
really
serious
issues,
but
there's
an
awful
lot
of
good
work
that
is
going
on
out.
F
There
can
I
just
say
thank
you
to
the
work
that
the
police
has
been
doing
with
my
own
community
in
regard
to
the
response
to
the
murder
that
took
place,
and
then
the
Community
Action,
that's
been
working
with
the
community
groups
locally
to
build
community
resilience
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing
in
the
area
to
improve
that
sense
of
feeling
of
community
and
safety,
and
that's
actually
made
quite
a
bit
of
difference.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
know,
they've
matched
that
funding
that
was
on
the
table,
and
that
was
welcome
as
well.
F
So
thank
you
to
them.
It's
both
of
you
that
have
stepped
up,
but
it
was
interesting
because
I
think
we
spoke
about
and
the
cabinet
member
talked
about.
You
know
all
the
good
work.
That's
going
on.
It's
all
at
different
levels.
I
know
the
work
was
going
on
out
of
the
hall
for
all
all
the
various
agencies
that
are
being
pulled
together,
working
in
different
levels,
from
mental
health,
support
to
support
for
families
to
support
across
the
range
of
different
services.
F
That
kind
of
provide
the
glue
that's
holding
things
together
at
the
moment
and
in
relation
to
your
work,
feeding
into
that
the
intelligence
but,
more
importantly,
the
community
support
work
that
is
really
showing
dividends.
It's
really
showing
results.
So
in
the
example
of
how
we
use
our
community
centers
yeah
a
lot
of
it's
voluntary
I,
don't
know
a
lot
of
it's
plugging
the
holes
of
all
the
things
that
we've
lost
over
recent
years
is
those
voluntary
groups
that
are
stepping
up
to
fill
those
holes,
but
it's
there
and
it's
working.
F
For
example,
the
neighborhood
watch
recently
got
funding
it's
going
to
expand,
that's
going
to
make
a
massive
difference.
Some
of
the
local
community
work
to
involve
young
people
directly
in
what's
going
on
at
the
halls
and
they
feel
ownership
of
it.
There's
always
that
time
for
some
of
the
youth
groups
that
I
felt
actually
what's
the
point
to
coming
into
a
hall.
J
People
will
always
perceive
that
everybody
they
see
is
is
a
criminal,
is
bad,
is
out
to
get
them,
and
it's
just
not
the
case
and
I
think
it's
his
perception
that
the
police
don't
do
anything
which,
again,
if
you
look
at
the
resources,
they've
got
and
the
amount
of
issues
they
have
and
the
amount
of
calls
they
get.
I
mean
I
had
a
call
from
Resident
moaning
that
there
were
large
gangs
of
children
blocking
the
footpath
or
walking
along
together
a
20
past
three
outside
Costello
school.
You.
J
Going
to
happen,
if
you
don't
like
it
and
you
feel
intimidated,
go
to
town
a
little
bit
earlier
or
a
little
bit
later,
because
they're
going
to
be
there
Monday
to
Friday
I
guarantee
it
and
they're
the
good
kids,
the
bad
kids
staying
for
another
half
out
so
I
think
we've
got
to
somehow
get
the
message
out
there.
Now
one
of
the
things
I
think
Ian
mentioned
was.
Was
the
you
know?
We've
pounded
out
fines.
J
Now,
of
course,
unlike
the
adult
crimes
that
Gazette
do
that
in
the
courts
thing
you
can't
do
without
a
Unity
not
allowed
to
report
use
in
court.
Absolutely
right
as
well,
but
I
do
think,
and
you
and
Ira
are
meeting
with
your
defending
team
last
week
on
week,
four
a
lot
of
great
work
being
done
under
diversion
where
people
are
not
getting
a
criminal
conviction
and
that
they're
not
getting
further
and
deeper
into
crime.
They're,
not
mixing
with
other
people.
J
It
reassures
the
public
things
are
being
done.
We
can't
always
tell
you,
report
you
or
go
into
individual
details
data
protection
Etc,
but
things
are
being
done.
It
also
tells
perpetrators
that
you're
going
to
lose
your
electric
scooter.
If
you
drive
it
like
an
idiot
drive
it
sensibly.
To
be
honest,
the
police
officer's
probably
got
bigger
fish
to
fry
or
anything
to
worry,
but
if
you're
driving
like
an
idiot,
you're
going
to
lose
it
and
it
also
tells
parents,
you
know
things
like
turning
around
saying,
because
I
know
it's
that
important
you've
been
there.
J
It's
the
parents
who
get
the
fine.
The
parents
could
face
the
consequences
of
their
child's
actions
and
say
that
parents
have
to
pay
out.
In
the
last
12
months
in
Basingstoke,
Court
parents
have
been
forced
to
pay
fines
of
whatever,
on
the
basis
of
their
children's
actions.
A
lot
of
parents
might
think
you
know
what
gonna
take
away
the
PlayStation
I'll
take
away
the
garage
key.
We
might
actually
ground
them,
I.
Think
it's
getting
that
message
out
there.
J
There
are
consequences,
because
I
think
at
the
moment
you've
got
two
things:
young
people
thinking
they're,
not
just
young
people
thinking
there
are
no
consequences,
because
the
police
do
nothing,
and
it's
also
that
think
view
that
people
don't
report
it,
because
the
police
do
nothing.
Both
things
are
happening,
but
we've
somehow
maybe
the
police
and
crime
commissioner,
can
give
money
to
have
a
glossy
police
magazine
that
comes
around
once
a
month,
be
more
useful
in
the
basing
stuff
today
thing
that
we
don't
read.
It
always
arrives
three
days
before
the
advanced
copy.
J
Thank
you,
but
getting
that
stuff
out
there.
It's
really
important
just
so.
People
get
a
bit
more
confidence
that
the
streets
are
being
kept
safe.
The
things
are
happening,
there
are
consequences
to
bad
behavior
and
that
would
really
really
help
and
I
should
just
thank
that
Debbie
as
well.
For
my
nine
steel
bollards
and
my
two
speed
ramps
in
basing
view
car
park,
I
have
slept
ever
since
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
summer
sleeping
with
my
windows
open
and
not
hearing
screeching
for
hours,
I'll
be
much
less
grumpy
at
meetings
next
year.
M
Right
sorry,
I'm
gonna
go
I,
didn't
realize
you
were
running
out
of
questions
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
for
one
one.
Last
one
and
I
guess
you
know
in
the
context
of
everything
that's
been
happening
nationally
with
regards
to
the
police.
Do
you
feel
that
there
is
trust
in
the
police
within
Basingstoke
itself?
M
I
know
that
we've
had
some
high
profile
cases
from
I,
guess:
New
Hampshire
police,
but
specifically
from
Basingstoke
itself.
So
do
you
feel
that
police
are
trust,
are
trusted
here
in
the
town.
I
Let
me
ask
a
good
question:
that's
for
your
constituents
to
tell
you
really
I
would
say.
Yes,
they
are
the
fact
that
if
you
identify
someone
who
behaves
in
a
certain
way
and
not
is
not
in
line
with
the
code
of
ethics
of
how
the
police
have
behaved,
that
they're
dealt
with
robustly
and
removed
should
hopefully
give
people.
I
You
know
that
genuine
feeling
that
the
police
won't
just
cover
it
up
and
they
won't
just
hide
them
away
somewhere
and
just
ignore
it
or
let
them
slip
off
quietly,
as
maybe
happened
in
the
past,
and
quite
rightly
they
should
anybody
behaves
that
way
should
be
held
to
account.
So
personally,
I
think
so,
but
that
would
be
down
for
you
to
feedback
to
us.
I
think
nationally,
probably
not
there's
been
too
many
things
in
the
press
and
I
think
will
be
a
real
agenda,
maybe
against
the
police.
Q
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
I'd
just
like
to
feedback
that
in
in
my
ward
of
kingsclair,
okay,
a
little
while
back,
we
had
an
instance
of
race,
hate
crime
and
also
sex
hate
crime.
They
were
both
reported
to
your
officers
and
I'd
just
like
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
the
support
that
was
given.
Okay,
it
was
great
to
see
both
the
community
safety
patrol
officers,
okay
on
the
beat
and
keep
chasing
these
youths
away.
Q
Okay-
and
it
was
also
fantastic
to
get
the
police
response
as
well,
and
my
understanding
from
from
feedback
that
I've
been
given
Vikings
clear
residents
is,
it
was
most
welcome
and
you
know
I've
not
heard
anything
at
all.
That's
happened
to
these
these
people,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
sorting
that
out.
Okay,
it's
great
to
hear.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
yes,
I
I
would
say
that
residents
tell
me
that
they
have
a
great
deal
of
confidence
in
the
police.
The
issue
is,
as
you
put
it,
about
threat,
harm
and
risk.
They
know
what
they
would
like
the
police
to
get
involved
in
that
that
don't
meet
those
criteria
for
you,
even
though
they're
important
to
them
as
residents.
So
whilst
on
you
know,
because
it's
things
like
a
crime
to
their
house,
you
know
either
because
people
are
stealing
from
their
house
or
their
cars
being
broken
into
or
there's
anti-social
Behavior
whatever.
E
So
it's
low
level
for
you,
but
of
course
it's
important
to
them
so
whilst
on
one
hand
objectively,
they
understand
why
you
can't
look
at
it
emotionally
they'd
like
you
to
be
there
but
yeah,
but
there
is
I,
think
high
levels
of
confidence
in
the
police,
I
think
locally
in
the
borough.
I
think
it's
it's
areas
like
the
Met,
which
has
a
totally
different
reputation
that
really
unfortunately
tarnishes
it,
but
I
think
people
see
it's
the
Met
and
I
think
like
for
a
local,
Force,
I.
Think,
generally
speaking,
I
can't
speak
for
everybody.
E
I
can
only
speak
for
what
I
hear
is.
There's
high
levels
of
confidence
and
and
I
would
like
to
think
that
in
part,
that
is
also
helped
by
our
own
Borough
team,
because
they
are
able
to
respond
to
a
lot
of
things
locally.
I,
think
that
makes
a
big
difference,
because
you
know
I
think
for
a
lot
of
people.
They
don't
see
the
difference.
Frankly,
they
just
know
that
somebody's
come
with
a
uniform
of
thoughts
on
I.
Think
you
talked
about
that
too,
and
that
provides
confidence
in
itself
and
I.
E
I
just
wanted
to
say,
chair
that
I
think
for
that
bit
in
the
agenda
when
we
were
talking
about
if
we
were
going
to
have
an
all
members
briefing
session
or
whatever
I
think
it
might
be
just
interesting
to
reflect
on
the
difference
in
the
conversation
that
we
had
last
year
at
cep
to
the
conversation
we're
having
this
year
and
because
I
think
you,
you
attempted
both
I'm,
not
sure
who
else
Brad
table
did,
but
I
find
it
quite
interesting
and
a
reflection
probably
of
what
how
it's
been
changing
within
our
Borough.
E
So
last
year
we
we
had
a
big
thing
about
e-scooters
and
yeah.
It
hasn't
come
up
today
until
quite
towards
the
end.
It
was
periphery
to
other
conversations,
but
it,
but
it
wasn't
the
absolute
starter
last
year
it
was
the
starter.
Wasn't
it
you
know,
e-scooters
were
was
the
thing
that
we
were
all
terribly
upset
about
and
it
was
getting
a
lot
of
press.
So
at
this
time
I
think
it.
The
the
conversation
has
shifted
onto
the
the
Basingstoke
youth
gang.
E
E
For
me,
personally,
I've
learned
a
lot
from
what
you've
been
able
to
tell
us
about
how
that
all
works
and
the
challenges
that
you
have
as
a
police
force
and
the
the
challenges
we
have
as
a
society
in
in
managing
that
and
I
suppose,
from
a
governance
point
of
view.
It's
up
to
us
in
our
political
hats
on
as
well,
is
about
influencing
about
changes
in
legislation
and
other
things
to
say:
okay,
we're
seeing
knife
crimes
being
a
particular
issue.
Do
we?
E
You
know
you
talked
about
knife
crime,
regulatory
in
relation
to
gun
crime
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
I
think
you
know
we
can
take
away
stuff
that
we
might
think
okay,
we
need
to
try
and
do
what
we
can
to
influence
legislation
to
reflect
what
we're
seeing
in
in
our
society.
So
I
think
we've
learned
what
we
could
put
into
a
council
of
briefing
session,
because
what
we're
hearing
is
actually
important
to
our
residents.
E
I
think
we
could
reflect
that
in
in
Council
briefings
and
I'm,
particularly
appreciative
that
you've
all
come
this
evening
to
be
able
to
put
flesh
on
the
bones
of
what
we're
seeing
and
hearing
locally
and
help
us
understand
and
appreciate.
What's
going
on
to
to
help
residents
feel
safe.
Thank
you
very
much
next
year.
Thank.
I
To
make
one
comment
in
that,
whilst
we
are
discussing
it-
and
that
is
what
you
find
prevalent
at
the
moment-
the
drugs
issue
and
the
knife
issue
is
far
better
now
than
it
was
10
or
15
years
ago,
and
whilst
it
has
highlighted
because
of
the
incidents
have
taken
place,
maybe
if
they
hadn't
you
wouldn't
have
had
those
discussions
and
people
wouldn't
talk
about
it,
because
we
are
far
more
on
top
of
it
than
we
ever
were
before,
because
we
are
now
tackling
those
models
and
those
gangs
in
a
in
an
organized
way
ourselves,
instead
of
it
being
more
sporadic
of
how
it
used
to
be,
and
in
terms
of
legislation
that
you
talked
about
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
I
The
law
has
changed,
so
it
used
to
be
that
you
couldn't
own
a
you.
Could
own
rather
offensive
weapons
in
your
property
and
if
we
turned
up
couldn't
do
anything
about
it.
Now,
if
we
turn
up
and
you,
for
example,
have
a
Rambo
knife
in
your
house
yeah,
you
might
have
bought
that
legitimately
online,
where
you've
got
it
from,
but
you
can't
own
that
anymore.
So
that
is
another
stat
that
is
recorded
as
an
offensive
weapon
crime.
I
D
Thank
you
any
other
comments,
members,
if
men
so
I'll
make
a
final
comment
in
you
know:
I
work
for
a
defense
industry
and
in
my
office
there
are
big
slogans
written
everywhere,
saying
safety
is
everyone's
security
is
everyone's
responsibility
say.
My
comment
here
is
policing
is
also
a
responsibility
of
every
common
citizen.
D
So
if
we
happen
to
see
any
of
those
incidents,
we
need
to
report
it
and
we
need
to
make
our
community
to
report
it.
That
is
the
only
mantra
for
a
safer
communities.
Once
again
on
behalf
of
the
committee
I
thank
Debbie
Mason
and
the
team
and
officer
Ian
right,
Anthony
works.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
one.
So,
with
your
permission,
I
I
take
the
result.
This
committee
to
Resolute
this
recommendations.
As
for
the
order
paper,
do
you
all
agree?
D
Okay
agenda
item
six
members
to
you
know:
I
had
to
read
out
the
yesterday.
We
have
received
an
email
about
the
update
on
this
item
so
hope
you
have
seen
it
as
for
this
one.
D
D
D
The
group
have
finished
their
work
and
reports
has
been
issued,
and
the
third
item
is
also
finished,
and
the
cabinet
member
for
Partnerships
wrote
to
the
chain
of
the
transport
and
environmental
Committee
of
at
HCC
on
24th
of
seventh
month.
For
that
in
relation
to
the
issue,
the
only
one
is
the
pending
one
is
a
hippage
company
which
is
in
progress.
The
last
item
it
is
the
action
will
be
undertaken
in
the
eph
committee.
D
F
The
20
mile
an
hour
Point
do
we
know,
because
obviously
it
was
the
basically
committee
accounting
colleagues
at
County
may
know
more
and
I
appreciate
their
advice
on
what
they
heard
and
what
they
took
part
in
or
not.
There
was
quite
a
debate,
I
understand
the
committee
itself
and
a
pushback
in
some
of
the
report.
Do
we
know
where
we
can
members
be
informed
of
where
County
are
at
on
this
particular
issue?
Any
any
update
would
be
most
greatly
received,
believe
that
were
to
be
taken
away
for
another
time.
K
D
O
D
O
Outcome
of
next
week's
council
meeting
but
I
think
you're
going
to
debate
some
of
the
potential
options
in
terms
of
committee
structures,
but
again
once
that's
all
sort
of
agreed.
We
know
which
committees
will
stand
from
the
next
Municipal
year.
We
can
firm
up
the
agenda,
but,
yes,
we
are
working
towards
June
as
the
date
for
the
GI
update.