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From YouTube: Basingstoke Gov - Cabinet - 07/03/2023 Part 1
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A
Right
good
evening,
everybody
and
welcome
to
this
evening's
cabinet
meeting
at
Basingstoke
and
Dean
Borough
Council.
First
of
all,
some
housekeeping
there
are
no
fire
alarms
scheduled
for
this
evening's
meeting.
Therefore,
if
the
fire
alarm
sounds,
please
evacuate
the
building
immediately.
The
fire
exit
is
located
at
the
side
of
this
room
exit
through
reception
and
meet
in
the
War
Memorial
Park.
A
The
meeting
meetings
here
at
Pleasant
second
Dean.
We
webcast
I
just
need
to
check
that
it's
working.
It
is
so.
This
meeting
is
webcast,
live
on
the
internet
and
will
be
available
to
view
on
YouTube
after
the
meeting.
If
I
could
ask
everybody
to
ensure
that
their
mobile
phone
is
either
turned
off
or
switched
to
silent,
that
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
also
just
to
be
aware
for
this
evening's
meeting
and
no
members
are
very
aware
of
the
drill,
but
we
do
have
quite
a
lot
of
pink
papers
as
well.
So
if
anybody
is
anticipating
venturing
into
the
pink
papers,
then
please
do
make
me
aware,
because
there
are
some
things
that
we'll
need
to
do
as
far
as
some
announcements
and
agreeing
a
motion
to
go
into
private
session.
A
So
first
of
all,
apologies
for
absence,
I
think
we're
all
here,
Declarations
of
Interest
no
urgent
matters,
anybody
any
urgent
matters,
I
don't
have
any.
No.
Thank
you
very
much
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
7th
of
February
2023
is
item
four
councilman
McCormick
I.
Believe
you
wanted
to
raise
something
on
the
minutes.
B
Well,
we
had
a
I'm
just
looking
through
the
minutes.
Yep
we
had
a
number
of
items
that
night
and
I
made
a
number
of
requests
on
the
town
center.
B
B
A
So
again,
I
understand
your
issues
regarding
wanting
to
know
what
the
actions
are,
but
actually
I'm
quite
happy
to
support
that
the
minutes
are
accurate
in
relating
what
the
conversation
actually
was.
Did
you
have
another
point.
B
Thank
you,
I
think
it's
just
a
case
of
interpretation
of
what
went
on
in
the
night.
I've
got
some
bedtime
reading
for
you,
Seven
Habits
of
Highly
Effective
People
by
Stephen
covey's,
a
well-known
management
book,
and
one
of
the
key
habits
is
proactivity
and
I.
Think
it's
incumbent
on
everyone
in
this
Administration
to
be
more
proactive
in
looking
at
what's
happening
in
the
town
center
and
not
doing
things
like
saying
it's,
not
our
responsibility,
there's
nothing!
We
can
do
about
it.
B
The
residents
expect
the
council
to
fight
to
keep
the
Town
Center
going
and
revive
it
and
nothing
in
these
minutes,
however
accurate
they
may
be
of
somebody's
in
record
of
what
was
going
on.
None
of
that
reflects
what
we
really
should
be
doing
to
try
and
save
this
town
center,
because
it's
not
getting
better
and
you've
had
long
enough.
You've
had
several
years
to
come
up
with
a
effective
action
plan
and
come
up
with
some
action
to
turn
around
the
town
center
Andy.
A
I
I
take
your
point
that
the
minutes
are
an
accurate
reflection
and
I'll
put
that
to
the
cabinet
in
a
moment,
I
think
it's
really
important
that
your
questions
were
very
specific
about
empty
units
and
reasonable
rents
and,
of
course,
this
Council
has
put
into
place
lots
of
actions
regarding
Master
planning
regarding
activity
in
the
Town
Center,
whether
that
be
you
know,
the
festival
activities,
whether
that
be
the
Friday
activities
during
school
holidays,
there's
been
a
whole
program
of
activities.
A
That's
been
going
on
with
our
partners
to
make
sure
that
football
is
up,
and
even
if
I
thought
about
my
own
personal
observations,
I
think
it
was
on
Saturday
when
I
was
in
town.
Well,
I
actually
haven't
seen
a
town
that
busy
for
some
time,
and
it
wasn't
even
Christmas
this
weekend.
So
I
think
we
could
all
demonstrate
some
concern
about
making
sure
that
our
town
center
is
healthy
and
vibrant.
A
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
really
clear
that
there
was
a
specific
question
about
specific
issue
and,
let's
not
conflate,
that
with
actions
regarding
supporting
the
Town
Center
in
a
wider
angle
and
also
perhaps
some
reflection
on
whose
responsibility
it
is
for
some
very
specific
actions
and
some
actions
that
we're
doing,
which
perhaps
aren't
as
direct
as
far
as
supporting
the
town.
So
things
like
animation
and
activities
but
do
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
regional
draw
of
Our
Town
Center.
A
A
So
we'll
move
and
I'm
just
going
to
change
the
eye
quarters
of
the
rest
of
the
items.
If
I
may
I'm
conscious
that
we've
got
some
public
speakers
with
us,
so
I'm
going
to
take
item
10
next,
which
is
24
Swan
Street
and
the
potential
disposal
of
it
I
wondered
if
I
could
ask
Council
Isaac
to
introduce
it
first
and
then
I'll
ask
our
visitors.
Both
visitors
from
members
of
public,
then
councilors
to
join
us.
Councilorize,
it.
C
Thank
you,
leader,
I
I
need
to
make
the
cabinet
aware
of
a
minor
legal
amendment
that
took
to
the
papers
and
that
that's
in
paragraph
7.8
of
the
legal
implications.
An
amendment
needs
to
be
made
which
removes
reference
to
state
aid
and
which
states
that
section
two
of
the
subsidy
Control
Act
2022,
is
now
in
force.
C
So
it
now
reads
any
disposal
less
than
the
open
market
value
may
also
have
a
subsidy
control
implications
under
section
two
of
the
subsidy
Control
Act
2022.
This
matter
will
be
investigated
further
if
a
successful
bid
is
made,
but
is
likely
to
be
seen
as
marginal
at
the
level
of
discount
and
Quantum
of
the
transaction.
C
Also
I've
been
contacted
by
councilor
Ian
Bowes
of
the
king's
clear
performing
arts
and
youth
center
Community
interest
group
to
to
say
that
the
the
the
most
recent
submission
by
his
organization
is
not
the
one
that
was
originally
included
in
the
in
the
cabinet
papers.
That's
now
been
amended
and
and
and
published
so
that
we've
got
paper
that
was
issued
on
the
25th
of
October
2022
by
the
by
the
group
and
which
was
discussed
with
officers.
C
So,
if
I
can
now
turn
to
the
to
the
matter
at
hand,
this
is
a
a
report
recommending
the
disposal
of
24
Swan
Street
in
Kings,
clear,
24,
Swan
Street
is,
is
a
long-held
listed
building
in
the
center
of
the
village,
and
it's
one
that
we
we
have
struggled
to
let
for
many
years
fully.
C
We
we
have
got
tenants
in
there
and
it
was
decided,
as
is
appropriate,
that
we
that
we
need
to
investigate
the
potential
for
better
use
of
the
of
the
site,
and
that
was
one
where
we
would
be
declaring
its
Surplus
and
and
selling
the
selling
property.
C
But
we
do
as
a
council
have
broad
responsibilities
that
extend
beyond
the
financial
to
the
social,
economic
and
well-being
of
of
our
communities
and
therefore
it's
it's
right
tonight
that
we
are
responding
positively
to
the
local
Kings
Care
Community,
who
have
successfully
applied
for
the
property
to
be
registered
as
an
asset
of
community
value.
C
So
we,
this
is
something
that
that
has
and
it's
important
it
has,
that
it
has.
The
full
support
of
King's,
clear,
Parish,
Council
and
also
the
ward
councilors,
are
particularly
councilors.
Stuart
Frost,
councilor,
Kerry,
Morrow
and
councilor
ratican
and
I've
also
visited
the
building,
met
the
dance
studio
and
and
have
met
the
parish
council
and
also
the
Kingsford
performing
arts
and
youth
center.
C
Cic
and
I
recognize
cabinet
that
there
is
a
strong
attachment
to
this
building
in
in
the
heart
of
the
village
and
that
there's
some
very
encouraging
imaginative
plans
for
making
even
more
Fuller
use
of
the
building
for
the
community
as
as
well
as
continuing
I
hope.
The
dance
studios
which
which
do
a
a
fantastic
job
with
them,
helping
young
people
to
learn
how
to
dance
over
and
attract
quite
a
have.
Quite
a
catchment
of
of
of
pupils.
C
I'm
also
aware,
because
I
shop
in
kingsclair
was
there
today.
In
fact,
that
car
parking
is
an
issue
in
in
in
the
center
of
the
village,
and
this
car
park
has
been
used
by
people
in
in
Kingsley
and
visiting
the
shops
and
there's
an
opportunity
to
eat.
Now.
C
If,
if
the
community
interest
group
can
acquire
the
the
building
to
regularize
that
and
and
assist
residents
and
local
businesses,
so
I
I'm
recommending
to
cabinet
that
we
support
the
the
report
prepared
by
officers
and
that
we
make
we
give
the
community
interest
group
an
opportunity
to
purchase
a
long
leasehold
of
the
of
the
property
and
that
that
to
reflect
the
I
think
significant
benefits
economically
and
socially.
C
That
would
would
would
occur
to
do
so
at
a
at
a
discounted
price
to
be
agreed
with
officers
and
I
think
that
this
is
entirely
consistent
with
our
approach
as
a
council
to
to
to
see
a
long-term
management
of
properties.
C
Facilities
such
as
this
in
in
the
hands
of
local
people,
and
not
necessarily
this
Council
and
I'm
and
I'm
content
that
the
the
that
the
use
of
this
building
for
Community
purposes
would
not
be
in
conflict
with
the
other
Community
buildings
that
we
have
in
in
the
village,
particularly
in
the
field.
C
Gates
Center,
so
I'm
I'm
content
to
recommend
this
to
to
cabinet
I
just
make
one
one
point:
I've
had
I've
had
an
email
in
the
last
24
hours
from
councilor
Bose,
asking
that
the
period
of
time
to
to
negotiate
terms
and
obtain
funding
should
be
extended
beyond
the
six
month
period,
which
is
provided
for
statutory
and
I.
C
I
would
say
that
I
I
think
we
should
stick
to
what
the
legislation
says,
but
of
course,
if
they
were
very
close
with
the
to
to
agreeing
something
and
we
needed
a
week
or
two
more
than
Beyond
six
months
and
then
I
would
I
I,
don't
I
would
listen
to
what
officer's
recommendation
at
that
point
is.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
councilorize
it.
We
have
a
couple
of
public
speakers
and
a
couple
of
visiting
counselors
if
I
could
ask
first
of
all
Hannah
Horton
to
join
us
at
the
front
desk
good
evening,
Hannah
welcome.
A
So
how
it
goes
is,
there's
a
button
on
your
mic
and
that
the
light
will
light
up
to
red,
and
you
have
two
minutes
I'll.
As
soon
as
you
start
speaking,
I'll
start
the
timer
and
you'll
see
the
time
countdown
and
and
the
colors
will
change.
I
will
give
you
a
30
second
warning
when
you're
coming
to
the
end
is.
D
That
all
right,
so
when
you're
ready
great
thanks,
okay,
so
for
three
years,
my
purpose
has
been
to
remove
the
threat.
That's
been
hanging
over
the
further
the
further
education
and
dance
school
based
at
24
Swan
Street,
along
with
saving
a
facility
that
supports
the
day-to-day
operation
of
a
rural
Village.
Providing
you
agree
to
Arrangements
that
would
enable
the
transfer
of
this
Community
Asset
to
Kingsley
Performing
Arts,
News,
Center
cic,
we'll
be
able
to
create
an
enhanced
facility
where
more
of
our
young
people
can
develop
and
Thrive.
D
The
positive
action
is
very
much
aligned
with
delivering
the
council
strategy
of
strengthening
communities
and
failure
would
significantly
significantly
diminish
the
community,
so
24
Swan
Street
houses
more
than
a
dance
school.
It's
a
base
for
a
performing
arts
college.
It's
in
fact
the
off-site
performing
arts
department
of
Newbury
college
students,
age,
16,
19,
study,
a
range
of
subjects,
acting
musical
theater
dance,
there's
a
one-year
Foundation
course,
and
students
can
also
add
one
or
more
a-level
subjects
to
their
course
of
studies.
D
D
The
aim
of
this
cic
is
to
develop
the
24
Swan
Street
as
a
Performing
Arts
facility,
a
base
for
the
Youth
Club
permanent
base,
a
cafe
that
supports
a
facility
but
also
accommodates
kingsley's
Food
Bank
parking
is
an
important
issue
supporting
the
quality
of
life
for
residents
in
a
conservation
area,
so
that
we
will
continue
to
provide
parking
for
residents.
Our
local
councilors
have
made
public
comments
about
supporting.
D
For
which
we're
grateful
as
a
public
body,
we
suggest
that
this
is
a
Community
Asset
transfer
and
we
ask
the
council
works
with
us
to
ensure
that
the
transfer
allows
the
continuation
of
as
a
Community
Asset.
We
would
clearly
like
the
maximum
discount
possible
and
what
we
do.
Our
request
is
that
the
arrangements
that
you
agree
reflect
how
the
community
company
will
be
able
to
raise
the
funds
for
transfer
by
means
of
Grants
and
Grant
applications.
So
we
propose
a
six-month
limit
is
not
appropriate
for
this
form
of
grant
funding.
A
E
E
My
thing
is
that,
due
to
all
this
business,
that's
been
going
on
with
the
council
and
selling
it.
Our
business
has
actually
gone
downhill
because
we
had
to
put
it
out
looking
for
a
new
premise
to
go
to
and
since
then
our
business
is
actually
declined.
Quite
a
lot
now
my
husband
got
made
medically
retired.
He
runs
his
late
Charlton.
E
He
business
from
there
he's
worked
very
hard,
he's
been
in
a
lot
of
pain
in
building
up
his
business
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I'm
really
disappointed
in
base
District
Council
basis,
Council
a
because
of
the
school.
That's
been
there
for
so
long,
and
it's
a
asset
to
the
community
and
B
that
you're
always
saying
that
you
support
little
businesses.
E
A
A
F
Foreign
good
evening,
Leader
I
speak
tonight
as
the
ward
member
for
tadley
North
broadcast
in
kingsclair,
I'm
speaking,
and
what
I
consider
to
be
the
shameful
handling
of
the
disposal
of
24
Swan
Street
I
speak
of
the
failure
to
consult
with
the
tenants,
the
complete
lack
of
understanding
of
the
facilities
and
activities
at
24,
Swan,
Street
and
the
years
of
stress
and
uncertainty
that
you
have
subjected
the
tenants
of
24
Swan
Street
2..
Two
years
ago,
I
was
passed,
an
email
from
Ian
Bose
asking
for
support
to
stop
the
sale
of
24
Swan
Street.
F
The
liberal
Democrats
advised
the
tenants
to
apply
for
asset
of
the
community
value
status,
which
24
Sun
streets
of
subsequently
achieved.
Ian
is
here
tonight
and
I
hope
you
have
had
the
time
to
read
his
submissions.
I
would
like
to
publish
publicly
commend
in
on
his
incredible
service
to
his
community.
He
has
written
papers,
attended
meetings
and
filled
out
applications
all
whilst
being
a
parish
counselor
and
a
trustee
of
Kings
Kings
clears
fieldgate
Center
after
Ian
I
met
Hannah
and
Haley
on
a
zoom
call.
F
Hannah
is
here
tonight
and
is
the
principal
of
kingsgear
performing
arts
college
Haley's
principal
of
jld
school
of
dancing,
two
companies
that
do
amazing
work,
teaching
the
Arts
on
the
zoom
call
I
found
out
that
they
had
heard
about
the
plans
to
sell
24
Swan
Street
second
hand
from
King
Square
Parish
Council.
During
our
conversation,
the
stress
in
their
faces
was
plain
to
see.
I
met
Dave
in
his
shop,
broadcast,
blades
and
and
I
was
a
questioned
extras.
F
He
told
me
about
Irish
fiery
response
to
the
news
they
had
received
the
news
third
hand:
Ian
Hannah,
Hayley,
Dave
Ira.
These
are
all
people's
lives
that
have
been
disrupted
for
over
two
years.
Now
they
run
success.
They've
run
successful
local
businesses
that
made
it
through
the
pandemic
only
to
have
their
place
of
work
potentially
sold
without
the
courtesy
of
consultation,
a
loyal
tenants
of
over
20
years.
These
people
have
lost
some
significant
amounts
of
sleep
family
time
and
in
some
cases,
suffered
from
extreme
stress
tonight.
F
The
cabinet
can
choose
to
take
the
risk
and
uncertainty
of
the
disposal
and
make
a
promise
that
24,
Swan
Street
will
not
be
put
back
on
the
market
approaching
the
May
2020
elections.
Promises
of
support
were
made
by
fellow
world
councilors.
That
steps
would
be
taken
to
consider
a
Community
Asset
transfer
policy.
Unfortunately,
these
steps
have
not
been
taken,
and
the
decision
in
front
of
us
today
is
the
minimum
that
could
be
offered
a
moratorium
period
in
six
months.
F
To
put
a
bid
together
is
the
standard
process
when
disposing
of
an
ACV
I'm
asking
for
a
strong
political
statement
or
better
still
a
Community
Asset
transfer.
We
have
waited
long
enough
for
a
decision.
We
can
wait
a
little
longer
to
get
it
right
after
leaving
the
tenants
living
in
limbo
for
over
two
years.
You
are
now
asking
for
sale
in
six
months
with
the
threat
of
losing
their
place
of
business
still
a
reality.
One.
A
F
F
1432
people
signed
the
safe
Swan
Street
petition,
choosing
dances
over
developed
developers.
The
people
of
Kingsley
and
the
surrounding
areas
spoke
out
loud
and
clear
with
their
support.
The
proposal
put
forward
by
the
community
interest
company
keeps
the
current
Community
benefits
and
significantly
Builds
on
them.
The
socio-economic
value
that
24
Swan
Street,
provides
to
the
aerial
will
soon
surpass
the
initial
Financial
loss
to
the
borough.
I
hope
you
all
have
visited
the
kpayc
website
and
taken
the
time
to
read,
through
the
thorough
business
case
for
the
kpayc
community
interest
company.
A
G
Thank
you
leader
and
thank
you
cabinet
for
bringing
this
paper
forward.
I
am
delighted,
obviously,
to
see
the
potential
disposal
happening
at
a
discount
and
I'm
delighted
to
to
acknowledge
that.
Obviously,
I
was
leader
when
we
decided
to
dispose
of
this
asset.
The
responsibility
of
cabinet
and
you
as
leader,
is
to
ensure
that
the
180
000
people
of
this
get
value
for
money,
and
it
is
sometimes
difficult
to
make
those
choices.
G
But
what
we
have
here
is
an
acknowledgment
that,
with
community
support
and
no
politics,
just
the
reality
that
lots
of
people
have
done
lots
of
things,
sometimes
in
the
background,
sometimes
quietly
in
people's
ears,
but,
more
importantly,
having
an
understanding
of
what
kingsclair
requires.
There
is
no
doubt
that
the
dance
school
and
the
tenants,
and
and
rightly
they're
here
tonight,
to
to
to
voice
their
opinion
on
what
we've
done
and
why
we've
done
it
are
rightly
worried
about
their
situation,
and
nobody
can
take
that
cloud
of
uncertainty
away
from
them
from
the
past.
G
But
what
we
can
deliver
is
a
future
that
is
brighter
and
gives
them
some
certainties
going
forward.
Me
myself,
I've
been
to
the
Anvil
and
watched
the
dance
school
in
its
many
faculties
from
from
those
that
have
had
further
education
through
Newbury
college
and
many
others
to
see
how
amazing
it
is,
and
we
are.
We
are
fortunate
in
a
small
village
like
kinkler
to
have
such
a
world-renowned
because
that's
what
they
are
and
people
go
the
whole
world
over
to
see
some
of
the
people
who
have
graduated
from
that
dance
school.
G
So
we
are
fortunate
I
think
rightly,
we
are
giving
the
right
amount
of
time.
This
has
been
known
for,
as
as
people
have
said
for
a
couple
of
years,
we
do
need
to
do
more,
and
once
we
get
the
sale
agreement
and
your
agreement
tonight
to
move
this
disposal
forward,
I
think
all
councilors,
liberal,
Democrat
and
Tory
will
will
make
the
effort
to
ensure
that
the
grants
are
there
to
fund
it.
We
will
ask
every
everybody.
G
We
know
we'll
knock
on
any
door
possible
that
might
have
money
to
to
fund
this,
to
make
sure
that
this
Community
Asset
is
really
something
that
we
can
all
be
proud
of
in
the
25
years
to
come.
We've
had
25
years
of
of
renting
it
out
I
think
25
more
years
of
running
as
a
Community
Asset
would
be
a
perfectly
good
Target.
Thank
you
and
I
hope
that
you
can
concur
with
the
decision.
That's
in
front
of
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
ratigan,
councilorizer,
I'm,
not
sure.
If
there's
anything
he
wanted
to
just
say
to
respond
to
any
of
those
points.
C
Yes,
thank
you
leader,
so
so
it
was
interesting
to
hear
from
Hannah
Horton
who
I've
met
and
I
yeah.
It's
useful
for
this
meeting
too
hear
I'm
just
how
impressive
the
Performing
Arts
colleges
in
Kings,
clear
and
and
therefore
that
it's
this
recommendation
allows
that
allows
for
the
potential
security
for
that
for
that
activity
in
in
the
Village
Ira
Tompkins.
C
I'm,
sorry
that
you've
you've
obviously
had
a
difficult
time:
I
I,
I
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I
understand
which
business
your
yours
is
and
if
it
is
in
24,
Swan,
Street,
I.
Imagine
I,
I.
Think
I!
Think
that
it
is,
you
said,
I
think
you
said:
34
King,
Street,
Swan
Street,
but
clearly
as
a
council,
we
have
a
responsibility
to
manage
our
properties
and
our
assets
as
as
as
well
as
possible,
and
that
does
give
that.
C
That
requires
us
to
look
at
every
so
often
and
the
the
possibility
that
we
may
need
to
sell
the
the
the
asset.
C
But
in
this
case
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
the
existing
tenants
to
continue
to
occupy
the
building.
So
it
may
well
be
that
there's
there's
some
great
security
that
will
be
available
to
you
as
a
result
of
firm.
What
what
is
being
proposed
tonight,
I
hope
I,
certainly
hope
so.
C
C
Perhaps
there's
an
election
around
the
corner,
but
I
I
I
can
assure
you
that
that
the
the
the
the
possibility
of
a
disposal
of
Swan
Street
has
been
something
that's
been
long
known
about
by
all
the
occupiers
in
in
the
in
the
building
but
I
I
again,
we
have
listened
as
an
Administration
we've
taken
account
of
your
representations,
Council
Amora
and
other
Council
award
councilors,
and
that's
why
we
are
putting
forward
these
proposals,
which
I
think
are
a
a
rather
unique
actually
in
my
experience
in
cabinet.
C
So
we
we
are
going
the
extra
mile
here
and
and
looking
to
come
forward
with
a
solution
that
will
enable
these
valuable
Community
facilities
to
continue
into
into
the
future.
That's
certainly
be
my
my
my
hope
that
that
will
be
the
outcome
in
the
end.
H
I
I've
talked
to
colleagues
officers
and
counselors
about
it
for
over
the
last
few
months,
and
it's
it's
clearly
got
a
an
interesting
history
and
a
great
future
so
and
I
would
like
to
commend
Kingsley
residents
and
kingsclair
Parish
Council
and
councilor
Stuart
Frost
for
championing
the
interests
of
the
king's
clear
local
community,
developing
a
strategy
to
achieve
their
Community
aims
and
sustaining
their
campaign
over
an
extended
period.
H
The
kick
plans
are
laudable,
particularly
hosting
the
food
bank,
the
Community
Cafe
and
a
much
needed
used.
Club
I'm
sure
the
kick
will
work
in
partnership
with
the
church,
the
fieldgate
center
and
the
many
other
community
venues
locally
to
ensure
all
of
these
Community
facilities
remain
viable
over
the
long
term.
I
think
that's
really
important.
H
C
C
But
if
it
is,
if
it
is
a
long
lease
and
that's
what
is
envisaged,
then
then
the
repairing
responsibilities
would
normally
rest
with
the
community
in
interest
group,
because
effectively
999
year,
lease
is
is
is
is,
is
is
pretty
close
to
being
a
freehold
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
I
think
so
so
there's
also,
there
are
sort
of
other
specs
of
a
long
leasehold,
but
I
don't
think
it's
probably
appropriate
to
go
into
all
that
tonight,
but
so
so,
but
they
would
have
very
much
a
mortgageable
interest.
A
In
that
case,
we
have
the
recommendations
in
front
of
us
on
our
page
82,
and
we
have
three
recommendations
and
two
delegations
see
if
we've
got
agreement
for
those
cabinets,
yes
any
dissenters.
A
No,
in
that
case
the
recommendations
are
approved.
I
just
like
to
thank
all
of
our
visiting
speakers,
both
members
of
the
public
and
visiting
councils.
Thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
this
evening.
We
will
move
forwards
then
to
item
five,
which
is
the
notice
of
motion
for
school,
uniform
and
free
School
meals.
A
As
it's
was
a
motion
at
full
Council
I
wondered
if
I
could
invite
counselor
Lee
to
address
us.
Please.
A
I
Thank
you
very
much
leader
I'm,
not
going
to
take
too
long,
obviously
very
pleased
that
full
Council,
you
know
unanimously
backed
this
motion
and
I
hope
that
today,
you
as
a
Cabinet
will
commit
to
fulfilling
the
requests
as
listed
in
the
cabinet
papers
and,
besides
the
obvious
benefit
of
reducing
hunger
among
children.
There
are
several
economic
benefits
of
providing
free,
School
meals
to
all
school-aged
children.
Obviously,
Studies
have
shown
that
study
students
who
receive
free,
School
meals
have
better
academic
performance
which
can
lead
to
a
higher
earning
potential
in
the
future.
I
This
in
turn
will
help
local
economies
log
into
the
future.
It's
also
been
identified
that
students
who
receive
School
meals
are
more
likely
to
attend
school
regularly,
which
can
lead
to
increased
exam
results
and
lower
Dropout
rates.
Like
I
said,
I
won't
go
on
too
much.
I
guess,
as
beta
state
currently
has
an
estimated
over
5000
children
in
poverty,
which
works
out
as
around
seven
in
every
30
in
every
classroom.
I
Providing
free,
School
meals
can
help
alleviate
that
poverty
amongst
families
with
low
incomes,
as
they
do
not
have
to
bear
the
additional
cost
of
providing
meals
for
their
children
and
I'd,
also
like
to
just
remind
cabinet
members
of
the
numbers
that
PWC
stated
in
their
findings
of
providing
free,
School
meals
to
children
in
two
separate
groups.
Those
groups
were
those
in
receipt
of
Universal
Credit
and
for
the
cost
of
6.5
billion
pounds.
I
The
core
benefits
that
would
be
returned
equate
to
nearly
nine
billion
pounds
or
for
every
or
one
pound,
38
return
for
every
one
pound
spent.
However,
if
you
rolled
out
to
every
child
at
state
school,
with
the
cost
being
at
24
billion
pounds,
the
core
benefits
alone
returned
would
equate
to
roughly
43
billion
pounds
or
one
pound.
71
return
for
every
pound
spend
with
wider
benefits
of
over
58
billion
pounds.
I.
Don't
think
anyone
would
argue
that
this
would
be
good
value
for
money
and
good
for
our
children.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much,
councilor
Lee.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
evening.
Thank
you
for
bringing
your
motion
to
full
Council
I.
Think
I
can
say
that,
on
behalf
of
all
councilors
across
the
chamber
cabinet,
we
we
have
and
I
think
we
were.
We
were
fully
aware
of
it
and
supportive
of
it
when
it
came
to
full
Council
I'm.
Just
looking
for
your
agreement
that
we
commit
and
move
forward
to
the
actions
that
were
raised
during
the
motion
for
council
meeting
are
we
agreed
brilliant?
A
C
You
leader,
yes,
this
report
proposes
technical
governance,
change
changes
relating
to
two
principal
many
down:
corporate
vehicles,
the
mgc
LLP
and
the
mdv
LLP
as
a
result
of
staff
changes
and
aligning
the
governance
between
those
two
companies.
In
addition,
changes
for
reasons
of
efficiency
are
proposed
to
the
authorized
signing
documents
on
behalf
of
mgc
LLP
and
and
mgclp
as
a
member
of
mdvllp
and
to
the
requirements
in
relation
to
members
meetings.
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
as
expectant
to
go
on
for
a
little
bit
longer
any
other
comments
or
questions
on
the
paper.
No.
A
But
yeah
that
was
good,
I'm
gonna
do
the
recommendations.
There
I
wasn't
going
to
read
out
the
recommendations,
because
there's
too
many
letters
and
lots
of
similar
organization,
but
sometimes
in
different
ones,
so
the
recommendations
are
on
page
15.
I
will
support
you
for
the
recommendations
cabinet.
We
are
brilliant.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
No,
as
you
say,
this
is
the
quarter
three
capital
monitoring
report
as
at
31st
December
2022.
It
is
a
report.
That's
gone
to
council
already
in
February.
The
capital
monitoring
report
reflects
the
significant
impact
to
the
external
impacters
on
our
budgeting
forecasts
across
a
number
of
project
the
capital
spends
for
this
financial
year.
It
reflects
the
effects
of
the
pandemic
on
higher
costs,
Supply
and
labor
shortages,
including
contractors
and
Consultants.
C
As
members
of
the
many
of
our
overview
committee
know,
following
the
meeting
we
had
recently,
the
negotiations
with
the
Freehold,
the
many
many
down
company
are
taking
longer
than
expected,
which
is
disappointing,
and
that
has
impacted
upon
the
the
the
this
that
our
Capital
budgeting.
C
But
it's
very
important
for
that.
The
any
agreement
reached
with
the
many
down
company
is
the
right
one.
What
is
one
that
supports
a
viable
good
quality,
deliverable
scheme
of
three
and
a
half
thousand
new
homes
to
be
built
by
the
two
councils,
and
so
I
hope
that
the
negotiations
will
conclude
shortly,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we've
got
to
get
the
right.
We've
got
to
get
the
right
deal.
A
B
I
shouldn't
need
four
minutes.
It's
a
very
simple
question
really
on
that
very
subject
of
the
slippage:
the
18
million
pound
many
down
land
draw
down
slippage,
which
was
you
know,
a
forecast.
B
I'd
say
probably
that
doesn't
come
as
a
huge
surprise,
but
why
was
it
that
we
agreed
to
Budget
on
year
end
21st,
December
22
still
expecting
to
come
in
in
this
quarter
and
now
we're
having
to
amend
the
budget
and
the
final
quarter
of
the
year.
You
know
when
was
this
anticipated?
C
Yeah,
well,
it
is
the
third
quarter
and
the
budget
work
was
was
would
have
been
done
over
nine
months
ago
and
at
that
time
we
needed
to
make
to
put
into
the
budget
the
capital
that
would
be
that
could
be
drawn
down
appropriately
and
properly
and
had
been
approved
in
the
event
that
we
were
able
to
achieve.
The
the
drawdown
is
taken
longer
than
that
and
and
what
we
do.
C
What
we've
done
is
we've
recognized
that
at
quarter
three,
rather
than
waiting
till
the
end
of
the
Capital
program
year,
and
that's
why
this
amendment
has
been
made
now
and
that's
why
it
was
brought
it.
It
was.
That
was
what
that's
why
it
was
included
in
the
Capital
program,
mtfs
statement
that
was
taken
to
council
last
month.
A
C
C
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
this
report
demonstrates
A
continuing
strong
budgetary
management
at
the
time
of
considerable
inflationary
pressures.
The
unspend
is
to
the
tune
of
fifty
thousand
pounds.
It
has
been
possible
to
absorb.
In
this
financial
year,
increased
staff
costs
resulting
from
the
local
government
pay
award
agreed
across
England.
C
On
the
other
hand,
Hadley,
because
interest
rates
have
gone
up.
There
has
been
some
positive
aspects
to
that
in
that
the
the
income
that
we've
been
generating
through
treasury
management
has
has
increased
by
1.46
million
pounds
which
we
will
put
to
good
use
for
our
residents.
I
have
no
doubt
it's
also
worth
highlighting
that
the
the
progress
that's
been
made
with
the
cost
of
living
assistance
fund.
C
C
I'm
pleased
to
to
to
say
that
at
this
point
we
have
had
1433
applications
and
that
we
have
been
able
to
allocate
80
881
025
pounds
which,
when
added
to
the
55
000
pounds
which
was
distributed
to
the
citizen,
advice
Bureau.
It
means
that
we
are
now
very
close
to
using
up
the
entire
million
of
900.
And
so
we
we've
allocated
936
625
pounds
and
also,
of
course,
We've
approved
that
for
Council.
C
Recently,
the
launch
of
a
second
colab
fund
again
to
help
our
residents
with
a
further
million
pounds
from
this
Council
I'm
pleased
that
the
the
the
there's
been
some
stabilization
in
the
property
rental
income
we
collect
and
that's
returning
to
pre-pandemic
levels
and
also
the
increasing
credits
as
a
result
of
bigger
recycling
tonnages.
C
I'm
also
delighted
that
and
support
the
payments
of
300
pounds
to
a
one-off
payment
to
officers
that
that
that
took
place,
I
think
of
just
before
Christmas
at
this
offices
up
to
a
certain
grade
in
in
the
organization.
So
on
that,
on
that
note,
I
I
would
recommend
this
report
to
cabinet.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Isaac.
We've
got
the
recommendations
in
front
of
us
on
page
50,
I,
don't
know
the
cabinet.
Colleagues
and
you've
got
any
comments
or
questions
no
I
don't
see
any.
In
that
case.
Are
we
happy
to
support
the
recommendations?
We
are
brilliant.
Thank
you
very
much.
Then.
We
move
on
to
item
nine
strategic,
Asset
Management
plan
and
your
property
plan.
C
As
you
say,
strategic
Asset,
Management
plan
annual
property
plan,
2223
23
24
right
this
report,
I'm
pleased
to
say,
demonstrates
that
further
progress
has
been
made
in
the
in
the
implementation
of
the
council's
property
investment
strategy.
C
In
particular,
I'm
happy
to
note
the
success
being
achieved
on
key
aspects
of
the
management
of
our
portfolio,
in
particular
overcoming
a
a
backlogger
that
had
built
up
on
the
reviews
in
least
three
years,
so
we're
now
in
good
shape
for
23,
24.,
Technologies
important
in
terms
of
efficiency
and
again
we're
making
better
use
of
the
tech
Forge
database
that
we've
invested
in
also
we're
and
I
think
this
is
a
reflection
of
the
attractiveness
of
the
borough
as
a
place
to
work.
C
We
are
we're
we're
making
much
more
Headway
in
recruiting
good
permanent
staff
into
the
property
team.
It's
been
a
problem
in
the
past,
but
we
are
we're
getting
there
and
we've
got
very
few
vacancies
now
in
the
in
in
terms
of
permanent
staff
in
terms
of
the
performance
of
the
portfolio
which
is,
as
we
all
know,
very
important
in
terms
of
funding
good
Services,
the
portfolio
has
held
up
very
well
despite
Market
turbulence.
C
We've
we've
in
fact
got
one
empty
unit
in
in
the
models,
but
what's
encouraging
is
that
document
I
hope
I've
pronounced
that
right,
but
the
fashionistas
once
amongst
us
will
be
able
to
tell
me
if
I
brought
that
wrong.
But
Dyckman
shoes
are
fitting
out
at
units
at
the
moment
and
I'm
told
that
football
is
is
up
in
in
the
in
the
mouths.
C
Obviously,
there
is
an
imperative
to
to
to
to
to
get
on
with
with
our
town
center
regeneration
strategy
and
that's
something
that
the
administration
will
will
be
pursuing
with
the
Vigor
after
May
I'm,
also
pleased
to
that
we've
been
able
to
deliver
a
handsome
Capital
premium
of
five
million
pounds
as
a
result
of
the
disposal
of
the
mountbatten
house
on
basing
View
and,
most
importantly,
this
is
going
to
produce
excellent
grade
A
office
accommodation
because
there's
going
to
be
a
an
over
30
million
pound
investment
in
in
the
building
by
the
new
long
leaseholders.
C
A
A
So
we
have
the
recommendation
in
front
of
us
on
page
66,
which
is
clear
and
simple:
to
approve
the
annual
property
plan
for
2023
2024.
Unless
there
any
comments
or
questions,
are
we
happy
to
approve
that
we
are
agreed
brilliant?
Thank
you
very
much
and
then
moving
on
to
item
11,
which
is
an
in
principle
decision
to
sell
the
basal
Stoke
Golf
Center.
We
have
one
public
visiting
speaker
and
I
have
four
visiting
councilors
before
we
do
that,
I'd
like
to
ask
councilweiser
to
introduce
a
paper.
C
C
So
yes,
I,
I,
I'm
delighted
to
bring
this
paper
to
cabinet
tonight,
because
I
think
it
it
represents
potentially
a
huge
win
for
Basingstoke
transformative
win
for
for
for
the
borough
and
the
town.
C
C
We
we
have
been
approached
by
Great
Wolf
Resorts,
who
are
I,
think
the
leading
indoor
water
park
Resort
company,
they
have
19
resorts
in
North,
America
and
they've
expressed
interest
in
developing
one
of
their
Indoor
Water
Resorts
on
the
land
that
this
Council
owns
at
the
Golf
Center
adjoining
the
Leisure
Park
because
of
the
very
significant
potential
economic
and
social
benefits
that
developing
a
major
regional
Leisure
attraction
in
basing
state
would
deliver,
which
is
fully
consider
fully
consistent
with
our
council
plan
priorities.
C
I
support
the
recommendation
by
officers
to
agree
tonight
in
principle
to
to
the
sale
of
a
long
leasehold
of
the
land
at
the
price
that
has
been
offered,
which
is
equal
to
or
in
excess
of
the
open
market
value.
C
Obviously,
there
are
some
important
conditions
that
need
to
be
attached
to
any
any
agreement
and
those
are
outlined
in
the
report,
including
we
need
to
examine
alternative
provision
or
reprovision
of
the
Golf
Center
amenities,
which
I
know
will
be
well
loved
by
those
residents
who
use
those
who
use
the
golf
driving
range
and
the
mini
golf
and
the
pigeon
part.
C
Yeah
I
recognize
that
it
has
not
been
possible
to
do
the
advanced
communication
with
residents
and
on
this
occasion,
because
of
the
commercial
sensitivities
that
surround
this
this
offer,
but
we
will
be
engaging
with
residents
and
other
count
and
counselors
with
a
with
a
to
to
listen
to
their
views
and,
of
course,
as
and
when
a
planning
application
is
made,
residents
will
be,
will
have
a
full
opportunity
to
understand
what
is
being
proposed
right,
Great,
Wolf
Resorts,
and
to
express
their
views.
C
Great
Wolf
resorts
are
we've
met
them
this
week
and
I
think
I'm
very
impressed
with
them
they're,
originally
a
family
company.
Obviously,
they've
they've
got
some
big
Financial
backers,
but
I
I
I
I
get
the
impression
of
listening
to
their
Senior
Management
that
they
are
really
committed
to
Bringing
forward
a
great
one
of
their
results
in
Basingstoke.
C
They
can
see
the
huge
potential
here
and
they
see
in
our
Council
as
a
good
partner
to
work
with
and
clearly
the
arrival
of
a
Great
Wolf
Resort
would
bring
huge
benefits
to
our
Borough
275
million
pound
investment,
which
includes
a
500
room.
Hotel.
C
Many
really
good
quality
jobs,
lots
of
training
entry
into
the
into
Hospitality
as
a
career
for
particularly
for
young
people
and
Conference
facilities.
There'll
be
a
standalone
conference
facility
and
important
thing
is
that
there
would
be
the
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
our
residents
and
their
families.
C
The
dry
areas
so
for
our
residents,
so
this
is
not
that
this
is
not
a
resort.
That's
behind
fencing,
so
there'll
be
access
to
arcade
games,
mini
golf
bowling,
rope
courses,
climbing
walls
so
I
think
I've
been
our
residents
would
will
be
hugely
attracted
by
what
this
is
going
to
offer
them
and
their
families
in
the
future.
C
I
think
the
other.
It's
also
a
potentially
a
double
win
for
for
this
Borough,
because
it's
going
to
make
the
arrival
of
Great
Wolf
on
the
on
the
Golf
Center
would
make
our
Leisure
Park
even
more
attractive.
We've
got
a
lot
of
interest
in
it,
but
I
think
that
this
will
reinforce
that
and
so
I'm
excited
about
the
the
the
the
possibilities
that
that
will
will
flow
from
this.
C
Clearly,
this
is
an
imprintable
decision.
We
are
at
an
early
Point
planning.
Permission
would
need
to
be
obtained,
but
I'm
wholeheartedly
behind
this
and
I
hope
and
I,
and
judging
from
what
I
hear
from
our
comms
team
about
the
level
of
interest
that
this
has
provoked
from
our
residents
and
and
their
highly
supportive,
the
highly
supportive
nature
of
their
of
their
comments
on
on
social
media
I
think
we've
got
the
backing
of
our
residents
to
this
very
exciting
decision.
A
Thank
you
councilorize
it
now,
let's
go
to
our
visitors
first,
if
I
could
call
up
our
public
speaker,
Jack
Miller
to
the
front
table
good
evening.
Jack
you'll
have
two
minutes
to
address.
Us
speaking
to
the
agenda
item
in
front
of
us
tonight,
and
I
will
start
the
time
as
soon
as
you
start
speaking,
and
if
you
start
using
the
whole
two
minutes,
I'll
remind
you,
we've
got
30
seconds
up
so
when
you're
ready,
Jack.
K
In
relation
to
the
in
principle,
decision
to
sell
Basin
soap,
Golf
Center
as
part
of
extended
plans
alongside
Basingstoke
Leisure
Park,
it
came
to
my
attention
that
a
last
week's
cabinet
meeting,
councilor
minis
bound
said
and
I
quote.
The
chair
of
the
town's
football
club,
made
it
very
clear
to
you
that
the
club's
ambition
was
to
take
over
winklebury
football
complex
and
not
a
new
stadium
anywhere.
For
the
avoidance
of
doubt,
I
am
the
chair
of
basingstop
town
football
club
and
in
no
stage
was
this
said,
hinted
at
or
insinuated.
K
Whilst
it
is
true
that
we've
held
primary
and
informal
discussions
with
several
parties
around
the
borough
about
replacement
facilities,
I
at
no
stage
have
publicly
nor
privately
pinpointed
any
individual
site
other
than
basingstop
Leisure
Park.
As
our
long-term
solution,
I
have
documented
evidence
from
the
meeting
you
referenced
in
September
also
present
what
Hampshire
fa
and
Maria
Miller
MP.
We
discussed
numerous
potential
venues
for
the
football
club.
K
We
as
a
club
identified
North
many
down
and
base
Leisure
Park
as
possible
replacement
sites,
whereas
Council
minutes
bound
appear
to
be
the
one
steering
us
towards
a
long-term
stay
at
winklebury
football.
Complex
with
winkleberry
football,
complex
upgrades
that
are
taking
place
over
the
summer
to
enable
us
a
single
promotion,
it
is
unlikely
the
stadium
will
be
able
to
reach
the
minimum
3
000
capacity
Target
needed
for
levels
above
this
would
leave
the
club
League
locked
this
time
next
year.
Should
promotion
be
achieved
this
season.
K
The
club
has
since
met
with
the
chief
executive
of
the
council
in
a
meeting
that
you're
invited
to
to
reiterate
our
plans
for
a
replacement
home
for
the
football
club
and
made
it
to
use
your
phrase
abundantly
clear
that
we
had
identified
basal
State
Leisure
Park
as
a
single
Target
of
our
business
plan
and
is
a
replacement
Home
of
Our
Own.
This
business
plan
is
forthcoming.
K
Let
me
be
clear.
Let
me
be
abundantly
clear.
The
cameras
has
not
been
replaced
and
we
stand
by
our
single
stance
that
will
continue
to
fight
for
a
light
for
Life
replacement,
Home
of
Our
Own
that
the
town,
Borough
and
Community
deserves
the
comments
made
in
last
week's
cabinet
meeting
in
relation
to
the
football
club,
and
you
said
that
I
made
were
untrue
and
I
present
you
this
opportunity
to
retract
them.
Please.
A
For
your
comments,
we'll
take
the
other
public
speakers
first
and
that
will
respond.
Thank
you
Jack.
If
I
could
bring
the
counselors
who
are
visitors
and
first
up
I've
got
councilor
Harvey.
A
J
J
Seven
years
ago,
seven
years
later,
we're
left
picking
up
the
pieces
with
the
scrutiny
reports
that
uncovered
major
criticisms
of
the
administration
and
the
deal
that
was
done,
wish
that
their
new
leader
of
the
council
was
gracious
enough
to
accept
and
I
respect
him
for
that
I
remember.
Over
a
decade
ago,
a
major
investor
pitched
up
in
Basingstoke
promising
the
Earth
for
basing
View
I.
J
Ten
years
later,
we've
partied
company
from
that
strategic
partner
who
didn't
deliver
on
their
promises
for
our
Premier
Business
Park
a
lost
decade
where
the
likes
of
Green
Park
in
Reading
have
overtaken
us
it's
over
seven
years
since
Urban
and
Civic
pitched
up
for
the
many
down
project,
joint
venture
and
still
not
one
house
has
been
built
on
the
land,
and
yet
this
Administration
created
one
of
the
most
convoluted
deals.
I
think
anyone
has
ever
seen
or
imagined.
No
one
would
repeat
that
again
for
sure.
J
Basically,
Stoke
is
on
its
10th
Town
Center
strategy.
Since
the
current
Administration
came
to
power,
not
one
regeneration
scheme
has
been
delivered
by
this
Administration.
In
17
years,
the
Anvil
has
been
crying
out
for
capital
investment
that
has
been
starved
off
for
over
a
decade
and
I
could
go
on
because
the
list
is
pretty
long.
So
it
all
begs
the
question:
can
the
administration
be
really
trusted
with
another
major
project
like
this?
J
This
is
yet
again
the
only
show
in
town,
another
single
investor,
in
respect
of
the
due
diligence.
We
really
need
to
look
into
this
and
make
sure
that
we
understand
the
details.
It's
a
very
long
lease
that
we're
giving
here
we
need
to
thoroughly
scrutinize
the
scope
of
the
deal.
Will
the
resource
facilities
be
open
to
the
low
to
local
people
and,
if
so,
what
costs
to
them?
How
many
local
people
will
be
able
to
access
the
resort
at
any
one
time?
It's
no
good.
J
If
the
new
resort
is
close
to
the
people
of
basic
token
they
can't
afford
to
enjoy
it,
will
the
design
of
the
buildings
be
of
good
quality?
My
advice
is
not
to
look
at
the
american-based
images
of
their
Resorts.
What
does
this
mean
for
our
wider
Leisure
Park?
Has
that
been
thought
through
and
factored
in?
We
need
to
see
a
lot
more
information
to
really
understand
the
proposal
of
what
is
actually
on
offer.
J
A
L
L
L
If
you
wanted
to
play
golf
it
in
week
on
any
course,
you're
talking
30
pounds
and
and
up
to
40
and
50
elsewhere,
whereas
if
a
fam,
if
anybody
wants
to
play
in
basingstop,
Pigeon,
Park,
different
setup,
seven
pound
eighty
and
it's
reduced
for
pensioners
and
children
so
and
it's
well
used
and
for
the
driving
range,
the
same
I
think
you've
got
your
figures
wrong.
There
we'll
go
into
that,
obviously,
at
a
later
date,
so
it's
in
the
pink
papers.
It
wasn't
six
driving
ranges
in
this
town
as
I
say:
they've.
L
The
clamps
Council
has
downgraded
the
roads,
I
understand
which
passed
the
Leisure
Center
we're
still
waiting
for
many
down.
You
know
that
thing
in
the
sky
we've
had
for
27
years
waiting
to
be
built
on.
It
always
amazes
me
that
things
that
have
been
outstanding
in
this
Council,
as
in
many
down,
seems
to
be
on
the
back
burner
all
the
time.
But
something
like
this
when
it
comes
to
money
selling
our
souls
for
the
sake
of
a
few
bulb,
not
what
the
people
want,
not
proper
consultation.
L
We
let
go
and
I
I
do
get
really
annoyed.
So
the
actual
scheme
itself,
if
you
found
the
right
place
where
I'd
support
it,
we
could
do
with
it
in
Basingstoke,
but
not
at
the
cost
of
the
residents
who
live
there
in
my
wall,
winkleberry
buckskin,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
because
it's
going
to
come
back
and
I
should
be
speaking
on
it
again,
but
I'll
oppose.
B
B
Why
the
rush?
Why
is
it
once
again
we're
looking
at
a
single
bidder,
Great
Wolf
Resort
water
park?
Next
to
the
aquadrome,
you
know.
Why
are
we
putting
competing
well
entertaining
the
thought
of
competing
facilities
next
to
each
other
and
then
trying
to
say
that
the
sum
is
greater
than
constituent
Parts
you'll
be
fighting
over
the
same
customers?
B
What
is
the
open
market
value
for
the
land
and
when
I
look
at
the
usage
figures
on
page
186
and
it's
a
very
popular
Golf
Center
and
then
I
look
at
section
3.13
on
page
187
there's
it
has
been
identified.
Some
private
golf
clubs
in
the
area
of
proposing
to
provide
indoor
driving
range
bands
that
use
modern
technology
to
track
the
ball
flight,
which
clubs,
how
far
away
how
much
they're
going
to
cost
Council
Jones
mentioned
that
you
might
be
paying
30
pounds
approximately
four
times.
B
That's
going
to
go
head-to-head
with
the
aqua
drone
which
you're
wanting
to
rebuild
anyway.
So
I,
don't
know
what
that
means
for
the
aqua
drone.
Perhaps
you
could
tell
me
you're
going
to
be
spending
a
lot
of
money
and
then
taking
money
from
someone
else
for
a
competing
facility
that
doesn't
sit
well
and
what's
going
to
happen
to
taddy
Poole.
A
A
For
the
public
question
first,
because
things
like
this:
okay,
okay,
Nana,
thanks
for
the
warning,
that's
very
helpful.
So
let's
may
I
suggest
then
that
we
we
hear
from
Council
Israel's
response
from
the
questions
that
we've
got.
That's
on
white
papers,
then
I'll
deal
with
the
comments
by
Jack
Miller
and
then
we'll
we'll,
take
your
questions
and
and
if
you're
telling
us
that
we'll
definitely
go
into
pink,
then
we'll
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
go
into
private
session.
If
that's
all
right,
Alex,
so
cancerize,
it.
C
What
I've
heard
tonight
reinforces
my
view
that
that
we
should
proceed
with
this?
All
you've
had
is
the
usual
depressing
negativity
coming
from
opposition
counselors.
Do
they
do
they
want
Great
Wolf
resorts
to
come
to
Basingstoke?
Would
they
prefer
that
they
went
to
reading
or
Southampton
is
councilor
Harvey
for
it
or
or
is
he
against
it?
They're
not
quite
clear,
he's
very
strong
on
peeking
coals
in
things,
but
we're
never
quite
knows
what
his
final
position
is
on
on
something
and.
C
He
sort
of
puts
forward
statements
as
though
they're
factual,
like
the
failure
on
Bayesian
view
that
isn't
correct.
There's
been
huge
progress
being
made
on
Basin
for
you
go
and
look
at
it.
You'll
see
how
it's
transformed
over
the
years
and
actually
in
terms
of
minidown.
One
of
the
problems
we've
got
is
We
inherited
the
legal
agreement
that
his
his
administration
lumbered
US
with
back
in
the
1990s.
C
So
I'm
quite
content
that
we
have
a
very
well-financed
well-intentioned
investor
in
Great,
Wolf,
Resorts
and
I.
Think
I
speak
for
the
residents
of
this
Borough
in
saying
that
we
would
Well
we'd
welcome
their
interest,
there's
a
long
way
to
go
on
it,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
our
local
people.
C
We
will
be
very
excited
about
what
it
has
to
offer
and,
of
course,
there's
work
that
can
be
done
in
relation
to
the
lease
that'll
all
have
to
be
gone
through
the
scope
of
the
deal,
how
local
people
will
access
it?
Yes,
we'll
look
at
we'll
look
out
for
that,
but
we've,
but
we've
had
good
reassurance
from
Great
Wolf
in
that
respect
and
I'm
actually
convinced
listening
to
them.
They're
going
to
want
to
build
very
good
quality,
environmentally
friendly
buildings.
C
So
can
we
do
away
with
all
this
sort
of
this
depressing
negativity,
councilor
Jones,
it's
a
good
idea,
but
we
need
to
put
it
somewhere
else.
Well,
wouldn't
wouldn't
that
be
easy
in
life,
if
that
was
possible,
that
and
and
that
we
will
look
very
closely
at
what
needs
to
be
done
to
ensure
that
the
golf
facilities
are
are
available
too.
C
Our
residents
we're
certainly
not
selling
our
souls
here.
That's
are
just
so
frustrating
to
hear
that
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
potential
of
275
million
pounds
worth
of
investment
in
the
borough,
600
good
quality
jobs,
600
new
600,
000
visitors
to
the
borough,
who
wouldn't
otherwise
have
come
here.
What
are
you
talking
about
and
then
counts
them?
A
call
Mac
why
the
rush?
C
Well,
sometimes
you
have
to
get
on
with
things,
and
that
and
this
Administration
is
one
that
is
prepared
to
move
in
the
interests
of
our
residents
and
and
get
and
and
and
talk
to
people
who
are
expressing
interest,
particularly
when
it's
such
enormously
valuable
potential
interest
in
in
our
Borough.
So
I
rest,
my
case,
actually
I'm
even
more
determined
a
cabinet
that
we
should
go
ahead
with
this
and
with
all
the
safeguards
that
will
be
built
into
it.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
rise,
I,
understandable
comment
briefly
on
the
the
great
wolf
and
the
Golf
Center,
just
to
put
on
record
really
the
experience
and
I
I
sort
of
share
concerns.
Sometimes
when
we
get
people
who
are
offering
big
checkbooks
to
our
borrowers
where
I
say
well,
actually
what
what
is
it
they
promise
and
what
is
it
they
want
to
deliver?
A
And
that
was
very
much
in
my
mind
when
we
met
Great
Wolf
only
yesterday
and
I
think
there's
something
to
be
said,
which
you
know
there
is
a
question
to
be
asked.
You
is
what
is
different
about
this
versus
New
River.
This
is
an
owner
operator
who
will
build
and
run
the
facility
so
that
we
can
look
them
in
the
eyes
and
turn
around
and
say
tell
us
it's
the
real
deal.
K
A
A
Fistful
of
letters
from
Mayors
in
North
America,
who
are
prepared
to
turn
around
and
say
everything
that
this
outfit
promised
they
delivered
and
more.
They
they
delivered
for
families
in
their
communities,
they're
delivered
for
communities,
whether
it's
the
socioeconomic
value,
whether
it
was
opening
up
their
resorts
so
that
actually
their
pack
as
they
would
call
it
was
at
the
heart
of
the
broader
community.
A
So
I
can't
wait
for
others
to
meet
them
actually
because
I
think
when
our
residents
and
when
counselors
meet
them
they'll
understand
what
we
mean
when
we
say
that,
because
they
really
are
focused,
as
we
are
on
being
part
of
the
community
and
bringing
all
those
benefits
and
participating
in
a
very
joint
partnering,
strong
relationship
basis
with
both
us
as
a
local
Authority,
but
also
neighboring
communities
as
well.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
conversations
that
we
and
they
have
with
our
communities.
A
So
I
would
also
just
move
on
to
Jack's
comments
from
the
football
club.
Because
for
me
there's
something
about.
A
A
As
far
as
football's
concerned
that
says,
you
know,
would
the
council
be
interested
in
a
picture
where
actually,
the
Basingstoke
Town
Football
Club
took
over
the
running
of
Winkle
Bree
football
complex
and
would
it
have
our
support
rather
than
the
narrative
that
seems
to
be
suggested,
which
is
Council
immunos
bound
somehow
has
this
as
a
priority,
along
with
some
other
myths
by
the
football
club?
A
As
far
as
perhaps
negotiating
the
250
000
mitigation
of
the
cameras,
which
was
done
by
the
football
club
and
the
current
chair,
then
as
far
as
Steve
Williams,
so
I
think
we
just
seem
to
be
really
clear
about
some
of
those
myths
and
the
narratives
which
fundamentally
aren't
true
and
I
do
have
to
say.
I
was
shocked
and
surprised
by
the
announcement
of
the
football
club
on
I
think
it
was
the
17th
of
February,
where
it
didn't
actually
in
in
any
way.
A
So
there
is
something
for
me
about,
and
we've
said
it
before
about
being
able
to
commit
to
the
football
club
and
actually
get
behind
an
ambition
and
a
plan
and
I
was
away
for
the
meeting
up
that
you
invited
me
to,
as
you
said,
on,
the
chief
exec
went
that
actually
there
is
something
about
expecting
a
business
plan
and
a
case
for
running,
and
you
know
what
whatever
it
is
and
I
think
there's
something
about
that
that
we've
seen
with
Swan
Street
in
Kings
clear,
but
actually,
when
we're
talking
about
assets
and
resources
of
of
the
council.
A
There
is
something
about
having
something
that
we
are
able
to
invest
in
and
I
know.
That's
a
phrase
that
we've
discussed
with
Hans
fa
before
that
there's
something
about
being
able
to
support
the
football
club
which,
frankly,
we
are
very
keen
to
do.
But
let's
make
sure
that
we
answer
the
question.
That's
often
asked
which
is:
what's
the
difference
between
base
and
soaptown
football
club
and
and
places
like
Berry?
A
Well,
let's
have,
let's
have
a
really
clear,
well-articulated,
consistent
ambition
with
a
plan
that
we
can
all
get
behind
both
in
our
heads
and
in
our
hearts
and
I.
Look
forward
to
to
having
that
conversation
so
that
we
can
all
get
behind
it,
because
I
I
and
to
be
fair
I
am
quite
cynical
about
the
messages
that
come
out
the
football
club,
because
in
my
dealings
with
the
football
club
since
2016,
they
have
been
quite
inconsistent.
A
They
have
been
very
different
and
actually
they
seem
to
generate
all
sorts
of
narrative
and
all
sorts
of
sort
of
opposition
or
support.
So
let's
be
open
and
transparent
and
let's
work
out
what
the
plan
is
and
let's
make
sure
that
we
can
get
those
those
plans
out
in
the
public
and
and
talk
about
how
we
all
work
together
to
achieve
them.
A
We
need
to
agree
with
the
members
that
we
pass
the
following
motion,
so
I
would
put
forwards
that
the
motion
that,
pursuant
to
section
100
Open
brackets
a
close
brackets
Open
brackets
for
close
brackets
of
the
Local
Government
Act
1972,
the
public,
be
excluded
from
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
on
the
grounds
that
the
public
interest
in
maintaining
the
exemption
outweighs
the
public
interest
in
disclosing
it
and
therefore
that
exempt
information
is
likely
to
be
disclosed,
as
defined
in
the
appropriate
paragraph
of
the
schedule
12a
of
the
ACT.