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A
A
Just
a
reminder
that
our
meetings
here
at
Basingstoke
and
Dean
are
webcast,
please
for
members
and
guests.
If
we
could
ask
you
to
put
sorry
to
remind
you
that
if
you
do
stay,
that
you're
giving
permission
for
your
contribution
to
be
webcast
and
then,
as
far
as
the
first
item
of
the
agenda
Declarations
of
interest
from
anybody
and
it's
entitled
to
the
paper
that
we've
had
is
many
down
development,
vehicle,
LLP,
2022-23
budgets,
the
budget
for
22.20
23
of
1.453
million
notes.
A
I
will
ask
us
to
note
the
capital
provision
that
will
be
required
visiting
Council,
so
we've
got
counselor
Lee
and
councilor
McCormick.
You
both
know
what
the
drill
is.
As
far
as
four
minutes
councilor
Lee
I
can
see
you
sitting
on
the
microphone.
So
we'll
take
you
first.
If
that's
all
right
and
I'll
give
you
your
one
minute
warning.
B
I
just
thought:
I'd
come
along
today
on
this
one.
It
was
certainly
a
surprise
to
to
see
this
pop
up
on
the
agenda
for
discussion,
considering
that
we've
only
just
recently
had
the
many
down
overview
committee
last
week,
where
there
was
no
apparent
awareness
that
funding
was
going
to
be
needed
to
support
any
additional
activities.
So
my
my
I've
got
a
real
question.
First,
is
that
when
did
officers
know
that
funding
was
required?
B
It
wasn't
discussed.
There
was
no
indication.
It
was
needed
and
I'm
concerned
that
there
are
items
in
this
document
that
are
substantially
different
from
The
View
that
we
had
only
recently
at
the
many
overview
committee.
One
of
those
was
that
the
position
of
the
overarching
business
plan
was
at
draft
format
only
as
of
the
5th
of
October
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
it
seems
to
have
moved
status
very
quickly,
I'm
also
a
little
bit
confused
as
to
the
amount
of
funding
that
is
being
requested
for
approval.
B
B
What
worries
me
as
a
new
counselor-
and
you
know,
I'll
use
that
shield
for
a
few
more
months
anyway,
is
that
the
Democratic
process
for
which
I
was
elected
to
uphold,
seems
to
be
a
front
for
smoke
and
mirrors
I'm
confused
as
to
why
this
has
come
here
and
not
via
any
information
via
lock.
Why
a
timelines
seem
to
be
different
in
mock
compared
to
the
cabinet
and
I'd,
just
like
some
clarity
to
to
be
honest,
I,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
Mark,
when
I
was
13,
the
land
for
many
down
was
bought.
B
A
Thank
you,
Council
Lee.
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
I'll,
take
councilor
McCormick's
question,
so
it
gives
the
section
one
five
one
officer
time
to
respond,
just
a
quick
suggestion,
maybe
because
I
don't
know
whether
you've
sent
the
questions
to
the
section
151
officer
before
the
meeting,
so
that
she
can
have
some
time
to
prepare
it's
about
just
a
note
for
the
future,
because
you
are
a
new
counselor.
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilman
McCormick.
C
Thank
you
leader,
well,
I
definitely
won't
need
the
four
minutes,
frankly,
I'm,
appalled
that
this
decision
has
come
out
this
late
and
I've
spoken
to
other
councilors,
not
just
in
my
party
who
agree
with
me.
So
my
questions
are:
when
did
the
council
leader
first
know
about
this?
Why
is
this
so
late?
A
Thank
you,
councilor
McCormick.
So
let's,
let's
go
to
the
section
151
officer
to
answer
councilor
Lee's
questions.
If
we
may.
D
Around
when
did
officers
know,
this
was
needed
that
this
has
been
ongoing
discussions
in
terms
of
as
you're
aware,
the
subject
that
we
discussed
at
Mock
and
obviously
some
ins.
You
know
some
uncertainty
around
when
that
would
be
resolved
the
as
noted
in
the
report.
D
D
Early
this
week,
we
actually
received
a
an
offer
from
our
joint
venture
partner,
taking
a
proportion
of
the
risk
in
relation
to
this
expenditure
and
therefore
gave
us
an
opportunity
and
and
plus
gave
us
a
further
breakdown
of
what
this
spending
would
be
for
and
in
reality,
the
decision
was
then
made
between
the
two
councils,
both
Basingstoke
and
Hampshire,
in
an
emergency
meeting
to
say
that
actually,
in
terms
of
the
expenditure
that
we
need
to
incur,
if
we
don't
incur
this
at
this
time,
we
will
at
some
point
need
to
incur
the
expenditure,
probably
at
a
greater
cost,
and
it
will
further
delay
the
implementation
of
the
project
and
there
are
some
time
critical
spend,
which
is
why
it's
not
waiting
to
the
next
cabinet
meeting.
D
So
that
kind
of
explains
why?
So,
when
we
had
mock,
we
weren't
aware
of
this
information.
So
that's
why
it's
been
an
urgent
item
in
terms
of
the
overarching
sort
of
business
plan.
I
think
that's
just
terminology:
it's
still
draft.
It's
not
approved,
it's
not
been
finalized
and
it
won't
be
finalized
until
the
subject
matter
of
mock
has
been
resolved
and
in
terms
of
the
actual
sum
of
money
requested.
So
the
1.453
million
is
the
total
cost
to
the
whole
partnership.
D
A
Foreign,
thank
you
very
much
Sue
and
just
to
come
back
on
the.
When
did
I
know,
I
knew
24
hours
before
the
paper
was
shared
with
group
leaders
and
discussed
with
the
chair
of
scrutiny
and
I.
Think
it's
really
important.
A
Isn't
it
with
the
items
that
have
been
discussed
at
mark
that
I
think
Mark
is
completely
aware
of
some
of
the
the
known
unknowns
if
I
can
say
that
phrase,
so
actually
what
this
paper
does
is
to
be
really
specific
about
agreeing
things
that
we
now
know
as
quickly
as
possible
so
that
there
isn't
any
slippage
just
due
to
our
process.
As
far
as
waiting
for
the
next
cabinet
meeting
and
I
know,
the
papers
went
out
as
quickly
as
possible
to
everybody
so
that
we
could
make
this
decision
councilor,
McCormick
or
counselor
I.
C
A
A
Well,
I
think
you
there's
there's
more
statements
than
questions
that
you've
made
just
in
there.
That
says
actually
I
think
all
of
the
time
scales
and
when
things
are
expected
have
been
discussed
in
mock.
C
Yep,
but
the
whole
point
is:
we've
had
a
slippage
here
and
you
haven't
said
how
much
it
slipped.
Why
is
it
that
we
need
to
have
this
extra
money?
Why
do
we
need
to
prolong
this
process
and
what's
the
impact
on
the
overall
time
scales,
if
I
can't
have
an
answer
tonight,
I
would
like
a
written
answer.
Please
I.
A
Will
get
a
written
answer
to
you
from
the
portfolio
holder,
I
I
do
believe
that
quite
a
lot
of
that
has
been
discussed
by
this
Council.
So
the
recommendation
in
front
of
us
is
that
we
note
the
progress
and
production
of
the
many
down
development,
vehicle,
LLP,
overarching
business
plan
and
the
draft
annual
and
the
draft
annual
business
plan.
We
approve
that
mdv
LLP
budget
for
2022.23
of
1.453
million
pounds
and
that
we
note
the
additional
Capital
provision
of
0.36
million
pounds
which
be
actioned
under
the
delegated
powers
by
the
section
151
officer.
A
E
Thank
you,
leader
forward,
Administration,
there's
a
cabinet.
We
absolutely
recognize
the
consequences
of
climate
change
locally,
but
also
globally,
and
we
continue
to
drive
hard
to
make
changes
to
reduce
our
admissions
achieve
the
climate
goals
that
we've
set
in
our
climate
emergency.
But
we
should
also
explore
all
opportunities,
but
it
is
making
clear
that
we
are
not
going
to
just
you
know,
relax
now
and
think
we're
not
going
to
2019.
E
E
Obviously,
for
the
ball
of
wide
Target
of
2030,
we
need
people
to
tivities
to
reduce
carbon
Admissions
and
we'll
continue
to
support
others
across
the
boa
to
do
the
same.
The
report
sets
out
the
different
things
that
we
are
doing,
but
as
by
way
of
examples,
it's
buying
renewable
energy
to
supply
our
own
properties
in
improvements
in
our
properties
included,
which
include
new
electric
vehicles
for
our
parking
and
Community
safety,
patrol
offices
and
we're
trial
in
waste
food
oil.
E
F
If
we're
serious
about
attacking
climate
crisis,
we
have
to
stop
emitting
CO2
and
the
sooner
the
better.
It's
laudable
that
Council
want
to
spend
200
000
on
planting
trees
to
eventually
remove
CO2.
But
the
word
eventually
is
the
problem,
so
maybe,
if
I
can
put
in
a
very
simple
and
simplistic
example,
this
year
the
council
wants
to
emit
a
ton
of
CO2
on
this
hand.
In
fact,
it
wants
to
remember
that
a
thousand
times,
but
that's
another
matter,
so
it
plants
an
acorn.
F
It
does
the
same
next
year
and
the
year
after
and
the
year
after
each
year,
planting
an
acorn.
There
is
a
question
here
for
you:
how
long
does
it
take
for
that
Acorn
to
grow
into
a
tree?
Big
enough
to
absorb
a
ton
of
CO2
one
year,
two
years-
maybe
three:
no.
It
takes
10
to
15
years
for
a
tree
planted
today
to
recover
the
carbon
emissions
created
in
its
planting
and
to
become
carbon
negative.
So,
yes,
you'll
plan
to
reform
it
to
reforest
is
to
be
absolutely
supported.
But,
let's
be
clear.
F
Reforesting
does
not
offset
this
year's
admissions
or
even
next
years.
What
you're
planning
to
do
is
offset
your
emissions
of
the
day
and
the
next
three
years
in
15
years.
Time
does
not
make
the
council
carbon
neutral
by
2025.
It
just
sets
the
Council
on
a
path
to
be
carbon
neutral.
By
about
2037.,
the
Oxford
principles
are
sound,
but
they
must
they
make
it
clear.
Offsetting
is
the
very
last
resort.
The
very
last
result:
emissions
reduction
come
first
second
and
third,
and
it
is
only
the
most
entrenched
emissions.
F
Intense
I'm
sorry
I've
got
the
last
paragraph
and
I
will
finish
sorry.
Yet
offsetting
is
a
sign
of
success
if
all
possible
steps
have
already
been
taken
to
reduce
emissions.
This
is
a
sign
of
failure.
If
not
so
my
worry
today
is
offsetting
is
being
used
as
an
excuse
to
avoid
that
the
real
issue
until
we
continue
to
reduce
emissions
so
offsetting,
and
what
not
very
last
sentence
and
I
promise
Mike.
Thank
you
for
your
forbearance.
Offsetting
will
not
make
this
kind
of
carbon
neutral
by
25.
F
C
This
is
green
washing.
We
need
real
reductions
in
emissions
and
I'm,
not
sure
if,
even
if
we
declare
that
we've
met
the
2025
Target
that
we've
actually
met
it.
In
addition
to
the
offsetting
a
great
many
Council
owned,
Community
Halls
have
been
excluded
from
any
analysis,
as
they're
quote:
operated
by
Third
parties
unquote,
and
the
measures
to
improve
the
ones
that
we
do
have
are
pushed
back
as
close
to
2025
as
possible.
C
Some
of
the
assessments
haven't
even
started
yet
three
years
after
we
declared
a
climate
emergency
with
only
three
years
left
to
go,
the
paper
itself
lacks
substance
in
detail.
I
have
a
number
of
questions
question
one:
where
are
we
with
our
efforts
to
further
remove
emissions
that
wasn't
clear
in
the
paper
question
two?
What
obstacles
stand
in
our
way?
C
Question
three:
what
is
happening
with
our
vehicles
and
those
contracted
to
perform
our
statutory
duties,
such
as
waste
collection,
question
four,
what
is
happening
with
our
buildings
question?
Five.
If
the
council
was
prepared
to
fudge
its
2025
objective,
what
confidence
can
any
member
of
the
public
have
that
this
Council
will
meet
it's
much
harder,
2030
objective
of
carbon
neutrality
for
the
entire
Borough
and
I
reserve?
My
right
to
a
supplemental
thank.
E
Thank
you
to
both
of
you
who
your
input
so
Martin
I,
think
my
introduction
answered
your
point,
that
I
and
and
to
Andy
as
well.
This
it
isn't
a
fudge.
It
is
an
an
excuse
to
do
nothing
more.
It's
just
an
addition
and
I
have
been
the
minute
off
setting
was
discussed
as
a
Cabinet.
We
were
clear
from
that
from
the
outset,
and
I
would
hope.
E
The
paper
comes
across
like
that,
but
I
do
want
to
absolutely
reassure
everybody
that
we
don't
see
this
as
an
excuse
to
do
nothing
and
we
take
the
climate
change
in
the
climate
emergency
and
our
admissions
very
seriously
and
are
doing
a
lot
of
work
moving
forward
to
continue
to
reduce
our
admissions
and
I.
Don't
see
this
an
excuse
to
now
sit
back
and
say:
oh
we've
done
nothing
so
and
then,
in
relation
to
the
issues
that
Andy
is
raised,
around
waste
collection
what's
happening
to
our
buildings
Etc.
All
of
that
is
coming.
E
We've
got
a
climate
change
update
coming
to
cep
cep
in
November
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
so
the
report
covers
off
most
of
those
issues,
so
that
will
deal
with
that
and
if
you've
got
questions
you
can
always
email
me
or
with,
but
they're
literally.
The
report
will
be
out
what
two
weeks
time
for
cep,
so
that
deals
with
most
of
those
issues.
A
C
And
well,
while
I
accept
that
it's
it's
it's
an
option.
I
think
the
the
points
raised
by
green
and
blazingstoke
very
safe
into
this,
that
if
we
do
end
up
using
this,
we've
basically
missed
our
Target,
because
if
you
plant
trees,
it
takes
years
for
them
to
get
to
the
point
where
they're
taking
more
carbon
dioxide
out
than
has
been
generated
in
the
first
few
years
of
their
lives,
because
trees
breathe
oxygen
as
they're
growing,
but
I
did
have
some
supplementals
in
terms
of
I
mean
we
are
on
track.
C
I
I
would
like
a
Frank
admission
that
when
we're
not
on
track
to
meet
our
2030
Target,
because
I
think
that
the
sooner
we're
upfront
and
honest
about
that
with
electorate
the
better
and
what
conversations
are
being
had
with
the
government
on
this
and
what
confidence
can
we
have
that
they'll
deliver?
C
A
You
councilman
McCormick
I'm
not
going
to
ask
Council
reaches
because
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
fundamental
element
of
the
discussion
at
cep
about
where
we
are
delivering
on
our
2025-2030.
I
do
want
to
make
something
abundantly
clear.
I,
absolutely
agree
with
the
words
of
the
wonderful
Jane
Austen
that
it
isn't
what
we
say
or
think
that
defines
us
it's
what
we
do.
A
This
isn't
the
answer.
I
think
everybody
in
the
room
knows
this.
Is
this
isn't
the
answer,
but
it
is
the
responsible
thing
to
do
this,
isn't
about
what
we
emit
in
the
future.
This
is
about
what
we've
omitted
since
our
climate
declaration,
which
is
three
years
ago
in
it,
is
my
strongly
held
belief
that
it
to
do
nothing
for
the
carbon
that
has
been
emitted
would
be
negligent
and
I'm
not
about
to
sit
here
and
do
that.
As
the
leader
of
the
council,
Council
and
Nora
my
cabinet,
we
fundamentally
believe
we
should
be
taking
action.
A
As
Council
reaches
has
said,
it
is
not
the
answer
and
we
do
not
see
it
as
the
answer
to
achieving
our
2020
30
or
2025
targets,
but
it
is
a
reality
that
we
sit
here
in
2022,
nearly
2023,
and
if
we
thought
about
our
biggest
Service
delivery,
which
is
the
bin
trucks,
there
is
currently
No
non-urban
Authority
that
has
an
100
Fleet
of
electric
bin
trucks.
So
there
is
a
reality
about
that.
That
says
we
have
to
do
our
best
in
the
absence
of
the
ability
to
do
that.
A
So
it
is
the
right
thing
to
do
offsetting
and
it's
a
phrase
I,
don't
actually
like,
has
had
a
really
bad
reputation
and
I
think
it
is
truly
shocking
that
it
is
so
difficult
to
buy
credits
from
schemes
that
meet
the
new
best
practice
targets.
It
is
also
therefore
important
that
we
use
our
leadership
role
to
stimulate,
encourage
and
develop
the
ways
in
which
ourselves
and
other
large
employers,
people
who
are
running
business
premises,
and
we
know
within
the
carbon
emissions.
A
The
industry
hasn't
got
solutions
for
all
sorts
of
things
for
2030
that
we
do
our
best
to
stimulate
those
initiatives
that
achieve
the
highest
of
standards
and
also-
although
we
perhaps
don't
have
much
peat
bog
in
business,
open
Dean,
let's
visit
at
Martin,
take
me
on
a
visit.
I'll
come
and
see
it.
It's
really
important.
A
We
find
all
the
things
that
we
can
do
locally
for
all
of
those
people
and
organizations
who
want
to
join
us
on
this
journey,
and
then
we
can
encourage
all
those
people
who
are
perhaps
more
reluctant,
because
it's
difficult
I
can't
believe
how
difficult
it
is
to
mitigate
the
carbon.
That's
happened
in
the
last
three
years
in
a
way
that
is
acting
responsibly,
so
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
completely
support
the
recommendations.
A
The
recommendations
are
set
out
very
clearly
about
what
we
want
to
do
and
and
not
how
we
perceive
it
because,
I'm
sure
all
sorts
of
people
will
want
to
throw
stones
at
us
as
a
local
authority
to
say
we
are
green
washing.
This
is
absolutely
not
greenwashing.
This
is
taking
responsibility
for
our
activities
in
a
way
that
not
many
organizations
are
and
I
want
us
to
be
100
clear
about
that.
The
recommendations
make
that
very
clear.
The
recommendations
are
long,
so
I,
don't
intend
to
read
them
out.
A
Cabinet
can
I
have
your
support
in
implementing
the
recommendations.
Brilliant.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
Thank
you,
leader,
draft
parking
strategy
paper
in
front
of
us
today
supports
council's
priorities
through
promoting
more
sustainable
and
better
transport
options
and
connections,
responding
to
climate
emergency
and
improving
health
and
mental
well-being.
So
the
emerging
Crown
Center
master
plan
visualizes
a
future
town
with
a
development
and
exciting
potential
changes
to
ensure
that
it
is
an
attractive
place
for
people
to
live,
work
and
visit,
recognizing
its
importance
in
the
borrow
and
in
The
Wider
context.
G
So
the
accessibility
is
key
for
the
town
center
and
it
is
recognized
there
is
a
need
for
a
renewed
parking
strategy.
So
this
needs
to
be
provide
a
robust
framework
to
ensure
that
the
objectives
of
the
master
plan
can
be
achieved,
that
visitors
have
convenient
locations
to
park
and
that
the
viability
of
the
Town
Center
is
preserved
and
enhanced
for
its
Investments.
G
So
to
me,
this
requirement
a
draft
strategy
on
how
we
manage
our
parking
stock
and
provide
for
parking
in
the
future,
enable
more
sustainable,
active
travel
and
support.
Town
Center
activities
has
been
developed,
so
this
builds
upon
the
aims
and
objectives
in
the
key
documents,
such
as
the
well-being
strategy
that
associated
with
transport
and
climate
change,
to
established
an
approach
to
guiding
parking
provision
in
the
future
I'm
Keen
to
seek
views
on
the
approach
to
Future
parking
provision
and
to
ensure
we
continue
to
meet
needs
in
the
most
effective
and
appropriate
way.
G
Recognizing
changes
in
Behavior,
especially
in
this
post
code,
World,
both
travel
and
Retail,
and
recognizing
that
some
car
parks
are
under
utilized.
Accordingly,
the
strategy
provides
a
framework
for
future
decision
taking,
as
well
as
the
actions
to
undertake
to
ensure
the
approach
to
parking
is
most
effective.
So
tonight
this
reports
to
Cabinet
seeks
endorsement
of
the
draft
parking
strategy
ahead
of
public
consultation,
with
adoption
of
the
strategy
proposed
alongside
the
master
plan.
In
later
this.
A
B
Thank
you
very
much
later
so
again
with
my
my
new
counselor
hat
on
very
good
that
we
are
thinking
of
such
these
sorts
of
strategies.
It's
you
know
unbeknownst
to
me
that
this
sort
of
thing
goes
on
and
I'm
learning
something
new
every
day.
B
It's
right
that
vehicle
movement
has
shifted
since
the
pandemic,
and
we
can
only
look
around
some
of
the
Estates
that
we
represent
to
see
that
parking
has
increased
and
become
more
of
a
problem
within
the
Estates
car
parks
are
becoming
emptier
throughout
the
town
center,
but
this
will
only
this
strategy
will
only
work
around
all
your
other
strategies
that
are
in
place.
B
We've
got
a
drop
in
funding
for
public
transport.
We
are
thinking
about
the
top
of
town
and
how
we
can
bring
footfall
back
to
the
top
of
town,
and
what
I
worry
is
that
we
make
some
drastic
changes
to
car
parking
within
the
Town
Center.
That
affects
those
wider
issues.
For
us
also
points
to
consider
is
that
we've
got
an
aging
population,
as
the
census
has
recently
highlighted,
without
a
doubt,
they're
going
to
rely
a
lot
heavier
on
transport
on
the
car.
B
Sorry
to
get
around
the
town,
you
know
it's
inevitable,
with
a
poor,
Public
Service
provision,
I
pick
up
from
my
residence
in
winkleberry
and
many
down
that
the
the
buses
are
inevitably
late.
B
They
crammed
full
at
times
which
concerns
me
school
children
in
the
morning
and
around
the
evening
time
and
also
I'm
concerned
how
this
will
work
in
conjunction
with
the
fact
that
HCC
are
taking
some
of
the
parking
elements
in-house
and
how
that
might
affect
our
strategy
going
forward.
B
B
I
know
that
it
was
wreath
of
the
draft
report
was
made
in
September,
so
I
can
only
assume
that
it's
going
to
come
to
one
of
the
committee
meetings
before
it
goes
to
a
public
consultation,
and
that
is
it.
Thank
you.
A
Very
much
thank
you.
Councilor
Lee,
Council,
Ganesh.
G
Thank
you
Council
for
your
contribution.
There's
some
valuable
comments
around
the
local
transport
and
public
bus
Network
and
the
hcc's
intention
of
taking
some
of
the
parking
in-house
I
might
be
able
to
get
back
to
you.
The
original
answer
on
some
of
those
this
paper
will
be
going
to
eph
next
month.
G
C
G
C
Leader
so
I've
read
through
this
paper,
and
it
is
a
really
weak
paper
at
70
Pages,
it's
full
of
tables,
but
actually
real
substance.
There's
indications
that
car
park
use
is
down.
It's
not
really
stating
why
I
think
we
ought
to
know
why
this
could
be
for
a
number
of
reasons
it
could
be.
The
pandemic
could
be.
The
cost
of
living
crisis
could
be
Shops
going
out
of
business,
reducing
the
retail
offer
and
attraction
the
Town
Center.
C
It
doesn't
appear
to
be
any
firm
proposals
to
achieve
the
aims
objectives
set
out
in
section
2.1,
but
what
I
do
know
is
that
we
are
way
behind
where
we
should
be
in
installing
electric
charge
points
and
a
glance
at
the
tables.
On
page
4849
shows
a
woeful
lack
of
charging
points
most
of
our
car
Parks.
C
Don't
have
any
nothing
in
this
paper
gives
me
any
confidence
that
we
will
tackle
this
issue
with
substantial
numbers
of
extra
charge
points
being
installed,
either
in
our
car
Parks
or
on
the
road
in
time
for
a
projected
50
of
cars
being
Electric
in
the
next
seven
years.
Electric
car
sales
already
outstrip
loads
of
diesel
cars.
In
this
country,
our
parking
charges,
especially
late
at
night,
do
little
to
stimulate
our
daytime
or
nighttime
economy
in
the
Town.
C
G
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
it's
for
me
before
we
go
to
the
recommendation.
There
is
something
that
says
we
need
to
be
really
clear.
This
is
draft
is
going
to
public
consultation.
There's
also,
something
isn't
that
says:
I
think
it's
for
me.
It's
really
interesting
because
we
often
talk
about
parking
and
I'll,
actually
the
future
of
the
car.
A
Well,
actually,
we
should
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
future
of
the
internal
combustion
engine
and
what
that
means,
and
also
space
for
transport,
rather
than
necessarily
space
for
car,
because
once
you
take
any
sort
of
drastic
measures
about
car
Parks,
actually
you
are
taking
some
space
out,
which
is
really
difficult
to
put
back
I'm
pleased
to
say
about
some
comparisons
about
local
towns
and
cities,
which
I'm
all
I
always
find
very
interesting.
A
As
far
as
there
is
much
said
in
this
chamber,
but
actually
it's
really
useful
to
have
some
evidence-based
comparison
about
other
places
and
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
it
says
we
are
well
supplied
as
a
town
as
far
as
car
parking
spaces,
it
does
present
lots
of
difficulties,
which
is
why
I
think
it's
really
really
important
that
we
get
feedback
from
residents,
because
we
don't
yet
know
what
recovery
from
lockdowns
and
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
means
for
the
use
of
our
car
Parks.
A
We
don't
necessarily
know
where
habits
will
settle,
I
think
we.
It
also
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
think
about
the
car
parks
that
we
provide
versus
the
car
parks
that
other
people
provide.
We
know
that
perhaps
the
car
Parks
provided
by
the
rail
companies
perhaps
a
better
place
to
deal
with
those
that
are
potentially
commuting
by
rail
in
the
future,
because
they
are
well
catered
For
by
the
station
car
park
and
also
there
is
extra
capacity
and
flexibility
built
into
the
way
that
that
car
park
has
been
structured.
A
I
am
also
pleased
to
see
that
the
Hampshire
County
council's
Executive
recent
executive
decision
day
supported
what
we're
talking
about
as
far
as
the
transport
and
potential
parking
strategy
in
the
report
that
he
supported
and
also
perhaps
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
mentioned
are
slightly
different
in
our
town
because
having
a
an
outer
Ring
Road
and
what
feels
a
little
bit
like
an
inner
Ring
Road
deals
with
some
of
those
structural
issues
that
other
towns
struggle
to
deal
with
in
a
more
linear
nature
for
how
they're
strategic
Road
network
works.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
welcome
this
report.
I
found
it
very
interesting
and
well
structured
and
I
thought
it
put
its
case
really
well.
H
I,
think
that
we
hear
from
residents
well,
I,
don't
think
I
know
that
we
hear
from
residents
that
there
are
times
in
the
week
when
they
struggle
to
access
taxes
in
the
town
and
for
me,
that's
a
safety
issue,
particularly
at
the
Times
they're
talking
about
it's
important
that
we
get
that
right.
So
if
we're
going
to
change
our
parking
availability
and
we're
thinking
about
Park
and
stride,
and
all
these
other
things
I
would
like
to
bring
in
the
provision
of
taxis
in
the
town
into
that
whole
equation.
Please,
okay,.
A
I
get
that
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
feel
so
passionate
about
our
proposed
introduction
of
a
car
club
as
well
so
providing
more
options
where
either
you
you
can't
or
choose
not
to
have
your
own
personal
vehicle
that
you
do.
Have
those
options
available
to
you
so
I
think
that's
a
case
well
made
I,
don't
know
whether
anybody
else
so
I,
don't
if
anybody
else
wants
to
make
a
comment.
A
A
It
has
been
backwards
and
forwards
as
far
as
the
scrutiny
committee,
so
I
don't
intend
to
do
an
introduction
to
it,
but
we
do
have
another
visiting
speaker
from
councilor
tuck
councilor
tuck
welcome.
You
have
four
minutes
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
when
you
all
got
one
minute
remaining.
I
Thank
you,
chair
scrutiny
committee
proposed
a
new
indicator
for
corporate
kpis
on
the
basis
that
the
EA
are
not
monitoring
our
water
quality
on
an
annual
basis.
Then
we
must
do
that
ourselves,
I'm
not
sufficiently
familiar
with
the
test
or
itching,
but
know
that
the
London
has
now
only
two
monitoring
points.
These
are
Lodge
Farm
and
keeps
cottage
for
which
I
fund
monthly
stats
I
do
not
know
if
this
measures
water
flow
as
well,
but
it
needs
to.
I
In
addition,
I
propose
that
a
further
monitoring
site
is
at
the
source
of
the
river
at
Crabtree,
black
Dam,
say
30
meters
or
so
Downstream
from
the
Beloved
gabians.
This
would
give
us
Baseline
data
from
The
Source
Springs.
Recent
canceled
documents
have
stated
that
the
EA
will
go
to
three-year
reporting
Cycles.
This
is
wholly
unacceptable.
The
EA
provides
quarterly
reporting
on
the
river
y
catchments
they're.
Continuing
our
annual
reporting
is
entirely
reasonable.
I
Basingstoke's
location
on
the
source
of
the
river
lot
and
chalk
stream
means
that
water
flow
volume
and
water
quality
are
extremely
vulnerable.
In
addition,
the
aquifer
is
over
abstracted.
This
means
there
simply
isn't
the
volume
of
water
to
dilute
the
output
from
the
STW
or
from
other
sources
such
as
runoff.
I
I
The
current
local
plan
States,
given
the
need
to
a
6.47,
given
the
need
to
ensure
that
proposed
growth
does
not
cause
harm
to
the
ecology
or
the
biological
quality
of
the
riverlodden
catchment
or
any
other
water
body.
In
the
borough,
the
EA's
monitoring
outcomes
will
be
reported
through
the
AMR
process,
and
development
will
be
managed.
F
I
The
final
paragraph
of
policy
em6
sets
a
framework
to
prevent
the
deterioration
of
water
quality
which
could
arise
through
contamination
and
this
Accords
with
a
requirement
in
paragraph
109
of
the
framework
section
291
the
report.
This
is
planning
inspector.
The
report
also
Advocates
annual
monitoring
of
river
quality,
which
is.
I
Included
in
the
plan,
both
in
relation
to
policy
ss4
and
em6,
they
were
challenged
on
the
fact
that
monitoring
being
insufficiently
frequent
to
be
effective
at
monitoring
once
a
year.
In
addition,
the
inspection
says
policy
to
operate
in
a
precautionary
manner,
in
the
interests
of
conserving
and
enhancing
the
natural
environment
and
reducing
pollution,
as
required
in
paragraph
17
of
the
framework
which
enables
the
necessary
goes
on
the
necessary
action
to
be
taken
in
advance
of
potential
damage
to
water
quality,
as
opposed
to
reacting
once
damage
has
already
been
caused.
I
I
Taken
a
year
after
my
own
extensive
trolling,
the
extensive
number
of
sites
is
down
to
two
due
to
the
environmental
sanity
of
the
river
Loden
and
the
caveats
on
the
modeling
results.
Annual
monitoring
will
be
undertaken
to
ensure
no
deterioration.
In
summary,
annual
monitoring
and
Reporting
is
essential,
especially
given
the
expected
impacts
of
climate
change.
Kpi
on
water
quality
will
ensure
the
borough's
Ambitions
are
environmentally
sustainable.
Thank
you.
A
Councilor
tuck
I
think
it's
really
important
to
put
on
record
that
I
truly
appreciate
your
focus
on
water
quality
and
I
share
your
concerns
around
the
some
of
our
statutory
environmental
bodies,
not
perhaps
doing
the
standard
of
work
that
we
would
like
to
see,
and
that
potentially
gives
us
some
cause
to
have
confidence
on
whether
we
are
protecting
our
environment
collectively
in
the
way
that
you
state
and
that
we
have
stated
several
times
in
our
policies
and
in
a
practical
way
that
we're
doing
everything
to
Monitor
and
protect
with
some
of
the
activity
that
happens,
particularly
in
our
River
catchments.
A
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
go
through
all
the
recommendations
in
order.
Otherwise,
it'll
get
very
confusing
because
we
know
the
document
with
all
of
the
kpis
in
it
is
quite
long,
and
you
will
pick
up
a
response
to
your
point
when
I
come
to
that
element.
If
that's
okay
is
that
right,
brilliant?
Thank
you
very
much.
A
I
would
like
to
thank
our
scrutiny
committee
for
the
clarity
of
their
final
recommendations
on
the
third
visit
to
their
committee,
just
to
go
through
individually.
A
response
to
the
recommendations,
and
again
this
is
where
I
unfold.
The
large
document,
as
far
as
the
whole
table
of
all
of
the
kpis
I,
have
a
suspicion
that
we
may
have
one
of
the
largest
tables
of
kpis.
A
So
we're
quite
happy
to
agree
that
with
ISE
01,
which
is
the
number
of
homeless
households
with
dependent
children
placed
into
bed
and
breakfast
during
the
quarter
again,
there
was
just
about
amending
the
Target
in
line
with
the
previous
years
of
of
it
being
described
as
actual
of
14,
which
I'm
more
than
happy
to
agree,
then
for
I-s-e-08
to
ensure
the
minimum
levels
of
rough
sleeping
are
maintained
and
reduce
the
target
to
zero.
I
suspect
we're
talking
about
semantics.
A
Here
we
have
an
absolute
targeted
focus
with
Incredible
support
from
national
government
and
our
partners
to
make
sure
it
goes
to
zero
and
stays
at
zero.
It
would
be
our
view
that
we
would
want
to
be
realistic
and
have
the
talk
and
keep
the
target
as
at
two
so
that
we
know
you
know
instead
of
sort
of
I'm
thinking
about
the
smokes
and
mirrors
comment
that
was
made
earlier.
A
A
Which
was
increase
percentage
in
household
waste,
recycled,
Garden
waste
and
the
recommendation
we
got
was
there
was
a
comment
about
the
achievability
of
the
target,
considering
the
level
of
service
during
2122,
the
level
of
service
that
our
residents
have
received
on
the
golden
Waste
Service
has
been
completely
unacceptable
and
we
should
put
our
focus
on
achieving
our
targets,
not
reducing
them
downwards.
A
So
we've
we
will
look
at
sticking
with
our
Target
and
I
agree
on
the
achievability,
but
we
will
strive
to
do
it
and
the
issues
have
been
recognized
by
serco
on
p-e-a06.
This
is
the
same
comment
and
recommendation
regarding
how
the
target
is
actually
articulated.
A
As
far
as
symbols,
signs
and
numbers
so
quite
happy
to
change
that,
in
line
with
the
recommendation,
there
was
a
proposal
for
a
new
indicator
about
the
percentage
of
contaminated
bins
and
what
that
meant
as
far
as
the
amount
of
waste
which
is
lost,
but
due
to
contamination
I.
Think
at
this
point
in
time,
because
the
suggested
kpis
have
been
to
scrutiny.
What
I
would
propose
to
do
is
look
at
how
we
can
get
a
kpi.
A
That
does
something
that's
covers
what
the
recommendation
is
trying
to
suggest
in
next
year's
kpis
and
going
forwards.
We
do
have
quite
a
lot
of
of
information.
That's
available
from
the
contractor
in
Circo
and
contamination
levels
are
recorded
at
the
materials
recovery
facility,
that's
run
by
Hampshire,
County,
Council,
so
I'm
sure
we
can
come
up
with
something
which
is
Meaningful
that
deals
with
that,
then
for
peb08,
ensuring
that
any
energy
audits
of
all
operational
property
are
carried
out
by
July
2022
and
to
develop
a
program
to
make
changes
to
reduce
carbon
usage.
A
The
recommendation
was
about
including
Community
buildings.
There
are
key
targets
to
measure
reductions
already
in
in
places
far
as
the
framework,
whether
it
be
Council
offices
and
for
other
Council
owned
properties.
For
me,
there
is
something
with
the
new
council
plan
that
we're
working
on
that
we
should
deal
specifically
with
Community
Building
separately.
So
that
is
something
that
we
will
look
at.
Introducing
there
was
a
proposal
for
a
new
indicator
about
water
quality
which
councilor
tuck
so
eloquently
spoke
to
I.
A
Think
it's
really
important
that
instead
of
agreeing
to
it
what
I'd
quite
like
to
do,
because
it
sort
of
suggests
that
perhaps
we
can
do
it
for
ourselves-
I'd
quite
like
to
explore
how
we
get
the
environment
agency
to
do
what
we
would
like.
First
so
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
look
at
that
and
see
what's
achievable,
Council
type,
just
one
thing,
because
I
I
am
of
as
I'm
sure
you're
aware,
given
quite
a
lot
of
notes
from
officers.
A
I
think
there
may
be
some
misunderstanding
and
miscommunication,
because
I'm
told
that
quite
a
lot
of
monitoring
happens
potentially
on
a
monthly
basis.
What
we
may
be
discussing-
and
it
may
be
language
in
some
of
the
reports
that
we
have-
is
that
the
classification
happens
more
infrequently,
so
the
monitoring
happens,
but
actually
public
classification
is
not
dealt
with
to
deal
with
variability
of
weather
and
rainfall
et
cetera,
Etc.
A
So
again,
we
I
think
we
need
to
explore
what
what
are
the
facts
what's
out
there
what's
really
happening
and
how
we
can
influence
it,
and
if
we
can't
influence
it,
how
do
we
try
and
influence
it?
Some
more
I
think
is
is
what
I
would
suggest
that
we
do
then,
for
there
was
a
proposal
for
missed
bins
and
the
number
of
bins
we
know.
A
Don't
we
that
actually
waste
collection
is
our
number
one
service
we
have
had
issues
I
have
put
on
record
of
our
Collective
dissatisfaction
with
where
the
service
is
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
demonstrate
to
our
residents
the
activity
that
is
already
going
on
as
far
as
the
the
kpi
measurement,
the
articulation
of
that,
what
that
means
for
our
assessment
of
the
quality
of
the
service.
So
absolutely
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
look
at
that.
A
I
think
we
fundamentally
agree
with
it.
We
just
need
to
find
a
way
of
measuring
it
and
whether
anybody
already
has
some
data
that
can
help
at
a
recent
conference.
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
woodlands,
Trust
and
another
conversation
with
them
over
the
weekend
and
I
think
they
have
some
really
useful
information
at
a
ward
level.
That
may
help
us
to
understand
what
information
is
available,
that
we
can
use
without
spending
a
lot
of
time
doing
the
work
before
we
can
actually
do
the
activity
that
makes
a
difference.
A
So
that
would
be
my
suggestion
on
that
one.
So
again
we
hopefully
we
can
introduce
that
from
the
new
council
plan.
There's
a
proposal
for
a
new
kpi
that
measures
tree
canopy
I,
hope
the
Woodland
trust
can
help
us
with
that
with
the
data
that
they
have
I
think
there
is
a
reality
that
says
it's
potentially
really
difficult,
some
additional
information,
because
again
it's
always
really
useful.
When
questions
are
asked
well
over
your
own
scrutiny
committees
and
we
go
and
find
out
what
information
is
available.
A
I
think
it's
worth
putting
on
record
that
there
was
a
suggestion
that
we
should
have
a
target
for
tree
canopy
as
a
percentage
when
we've
had
a
look
as
an
authority
as
far
as
what
do
those
people
who
specialize
on
it
suggest
as
a
potential
Target
that
the
level
should
be
at
least
20
percent
I.
Think
for
me,
the
really
interesting
information
for
that
is
with
the
data
that's
already
available
from
the
same
source
that
we've
we're
sort
of
either
slightly
above
or
slightly
below
literally
21
above
in
raw
rewards.
A
Sorry
in
base
nicotine
as
a
whole,
with
us
being
slightly
under
as
far
as
19.8
within
the
the
Basingstoke
town
area.
So
again,
I
think
there
is
some
interesting
data
out.
There
will
help
us
and
to
understand
what
we
can
do
that
will
make
a
difference.
I
do
think.
We
also
need
to
be
really
clear
about.
What's
within
our
gift,
we
may
own
quite
a
lot
of
property,
but
we
it's
with
the
size
of
the
borough
that
we
have.
A
There's
a
another
suggestion
for
a
new
indicator,
which
was
about
regeneration
regeneration
for
me,
is
one
of
those
words
that
it
means
lots
of
things
to
lots
of
people.
So
for
me,
there's
something
about
I.
Think
I
think
we
should
look
at
what
regeneration
means
by
definition,
how
that
fits
into
our
priorities,
as
they
are
articulated
in
the
new
council
plan
for
next
year
going
forwards
so
that
we
can
absolutely
identify
what
we
mean
by
regeneration.
A
What
we
identify
as
success
again
thinking
about
some
of
the
partners
that
we
need
to
to
work
with,
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
with
that,
then
moving
to
planning
for
the
future.
A
If
I
move
to
PFC
zero,
three,
which
is
the
total
number
of
new,
affordable
homes
being
completed,
absolutely
I,
believe
that
information
is
around.
So
we
can
agree
a
breakdown
for
further
information
as
far
as
whether
it's
one
bed,
two
bed,
two
bed
house,
etc,
etc.
So
we
should
have
information
should
be
relatively
easy
to
provide,
there's
a
proposal
for
considering
a
kpi
measuring
the
quality
of
homes
builts.
A
Sadly,
although
I
absolutely
love
it,
as
somebody
who
has
with
my
ward
colleagues
award,
which
has
a
significant
amount
of
new
build
in
it,
I
do
think
it's
particularly
difficult
to
measure
with
the
measurements
that
are
currently
available.
So
I
don't
think
we
can
agree
it's,
but
it's
something
absolutely
I'd
quite
like
to
explore.
What
do
we
mean
by
what
information
is
out
there
and
what
can
we
do
to
get
the
people
who
build
new
homes
in
our
Borough
to
fundamentally
pick
up
their
game
with
the
quality
of
properties
that
they
deliver
to
our
residents?
A
A
Our
priorities
and
what
it
is
measuring
and
whether
it
gives
us
enough
so
I
think
the
future
homestander
can
really
help
and,
lastly,
I
think
there's
another
proposal
for
empty
homes,
so
whether
we
can
look
at
the
number
of
empty
homes,
the
length
of
time
that
they've
been
empty,
the
number
of
long-term
empty
so
two
years
plus
absolutely
I,
fully
accept
that
I.
Think
historically,
we've
been
a
Borough
with
a
relatively
low
number
of
empty
homes.
A
It
shouldn't
mean
that
we
don't
focus
on
it,
because
it's
an
area
that
it
we
can
really
make
a
difference
as
far
as
turning
empty
homes
into
something
that
can
be
occupied
and
help
those
people
who
need
somewhere
to
live
I
think
it'll
take
a
while.
So
my
suggestion
is
that
we
put
it
forward
to
the
New
Year's
council
plan,
so
just
taking
that
all
into
accounts.
A
A
So
the
recommendation
they
have
is
to
review
the
recommendations
which
we've
done
from
the
security
committee
on
the
29th
of
September
2022,
consider
and
agree
the
recommendations
for
2022-23
corporate
performance
monitoring
score
card.
A
So
hopefully
you
can
you're
happy
to
agree
what
I've
said
we
can
agree
and
put
forward,
because
we've
got
enough
work
in
front
of
us
that
the
officers
have
said
that
they
can
do
quite
quickly
and
to
note
that
the
agreed
corporate
performance
monitoring
scorecard
will
present
it
to
the
Council
on
the
11th
of
October
2022
for
information,
or
we
will
agree.
Oh
sorry,
Fiona.
A
It's
so
pretty
well,
I
was
ready,
I
was
thinking
out
street,
absolutely
so
the
20th
of
October
brilliant.
Thank
you
very
much.
Oh,
we
all
agreed
agreed.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
always
have
to
check
just
in
case
something's
stuck
in.
So
no
that's
the
end
of
our
meeting
this
evening.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time,
I'd
like
to
thank
our
speakers.
Both
members
of
the
public
and
visiting
councils
who
came
to
join
us.
Thank
you
very
much
and
have
a
good
evening.