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From YouTube: BasingstokeGov Scrutiny Committee - 22/11/2022
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A
All
right
good
evening,
councilors
we're
a
minute
light,
I'm
afraid,
there's
a
hitch
with
the
chairman
again,
but
anyway,
let's
get
on
with
the
let's
go
through
the
we're
not
expecting
any
fire
alarms
or
anything
of
that
salt.
So
if
it
does
go
off,
it
means
that
we
will
be
having
a
fire
and
we
go
out
that
door
and
into
the
park
and
Assemble.
A
A
Have
we
got
any
apologies
from
anybody?
You
know
other
than
councilor
Golding
who's
on
maternity
leave,
so
we
will
register
that,
but
it
seems
a
bit
yeah
we'll
registered
that.
Thank
you.
Declaration
of
interests.
Has
anybody
got
any
Declarations
of
interests?
No,
there's!
No
urgent
matters!
I'm,
aware
of.
A
B
A
D
You
very
much
councilor
Jones,
just
really
to
repeat
what
I
said
at
a
full
council
meeting.
I
know
you
did
get
this
document
just
before
full
council
meeting,
but
just
to
go
through
welcoming
your
comments
at
the
last
scrutiny
meeting
the
document
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
really
talks
through
the
response,
as
well
as
the
recommendations.
Some,
of
course
we
can
absolutely
amend
their
kpis
immediately.
D
Other
things,
I
suspect
that
investigation
will
need
looking
at
through
the
new
council
plan,
which
is
out
for
consultation,
because
it's
draft,
and
also
perhaps
some
more
advice
on
others,
because,
although
I
welcome
the
spirit
of
some
of
the
recommendations,
I
respect,
there
are
others
outside
of
this
Council.
Who
may
have
a
better
expertise
to
inform
the
kpi.
So
we
certainly
had
a
conversation
about
trees
and
canopy
and
by
Ward,
where
I
believe
the
Woodland
trust
have
some
really
useful
information.
D
E
E
If
that
is
the
spirits
in
which
we
could
go
forward
with
cabinets
so
that
we're
exploring
what
a
new
set
of
kpis
will
look
like
with
the
new
council
plan,
what
the
old
kpis
could
transform
into
in
relation
to
the
comments,
they've
been
passed
by
others
to
help
guiders
and
advise
us
and
then
also
all
the
questions
we
were
asking
that
I
think
would
be
really
constructive.
So
if
that's
on
the
table
between
the
chair
and
yourself
to
discuss
how
we
as
a
committee
could
get
involved
in
that
would
be
really
really
useful.
I
think.
D
More
than
happy
to
do
that,
chair,
I,
think.
Obviously,
we've
got
the
draft
plan
out
for
consultation.
I've
spent
quite
a
lot
of
time
with
the
chief
exec
going
out
and
talking
to
some
of
our
partners,
because
we
know
don't
we
that
some
of
his
partners
are
much
better
at
some
of
those
topic
areas
than
we
are
so
I
I'm.
Quite
hopeful
that,
through
that
work
collaboratively
with
both
our
partners
and
with
fellow
members
in
the
in
the
authority
that
we
can
come
up
with
some
really
meaningful
kpis.
D
That
really
demonstrate,
particularly
in
the
structure
of
the
the
new
draft
council
plan,
that
we
can
be
really
clear
about
those
kpis
that
directly
relate
to
what
we're
responsible
for
and
directly
deliver
and
those
that
our
partners
will
sign
up
to
that.
They
are
responsible
for
delivering
and
we
can
have
a
little
influence
in
what
they
commit
to
as
their
targets.
In
addition
to
what
their
statutory
responsibilities
are
as
well.
F
Only
from
talking
to
the
tree
officers
that
I
became
aware
of
the
whole
canopy
cover
thing,
which
is
why
it
was
raised.
So
the
outcome
is
obviously
we're
looking
to
make
sure
that
we
are
improving
our
tree
cover
and
so
there's
it's
a
suggestion.
I
think
that's
come
through
in
a
performance
indicator
which
might
be
jumping
the
gun
in
the
fact
that
really
it's
about
the
outcome.
What
is
it
we
want
to
achieve
and
May?
D
I'm
really
happy
to
have
that
conversation
I,
think
that's
what
I
I
absolutely
mean
at
the
core.
Really
that
says
we
can
talk
about
the
output,
but
in
different
landscapes
in
different
Wards.
There
may
be
a
different
answer
if
we
thought
about
the
Landscapes
and
the
ecology
around
places
like
whitchurch
and
Overton.
It
might
well
be
that
it's
it's
about
Wetlands.
It
may
be
about
blue
carbon.
G
G
A
H
H
This
parking
strategy
will
contribute
towards
the
sort
of
making
of
the
master
plan,
Town
Center
master
plan,
and
there
are
a
few
issues
around
certain
accessibility
of
the
Town
Center,
which
was
addressed
and
we've
been
reconstructing,
and
your
comments
today
will
be
the
useful
to
add
towards
the
consultation
feedback
that
we've
been
receiving.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
By
way
of
background
I'm
sure
members
will
appreciate
there
have
been
changes
in
the
way
that
we
travel
and
the
way
that
we
work
and
Shop.
Typically,
people
are
now
working
in
a
hybrid
fashion.
They're,
perhaps
shopping
in
in
different
manners
as
well,
and
that's
had
an
impact
upon
the
demand
for
parking
spaces
in
the
town,
I
suppose
what
we
said.
I
What
we've
seen
is
that
the
demand
for
parking
space
has
changed
and
whilst
some
car
Parks
remain
popular,
there
are
certainly
some
car
parks
in
the
Town
Center
that
are
less
popular
than
pre-covered
pre-lockdown.
We've
undertaken
some
analysis
of
ticket
sales
before
lockdown
and
ticket
sales
post.
You
know
the
release
and
resume
resumption
of
normal
life
as
it
were,
and
we've
seen
that
demand
has
in
fact
changed.
I
I've
confirmed
this
myself
just
by
an
unscientific
walk
around
the
town
center
on
a
few
Saturdays,
just
to
see
how
car
parks
are
being
used,
and
indeed
some
of
the
ones
in
the
in
the
town.
Central
Area
are
still
popular
they're,
not
quite
as
popular
as
you
may
have
seen
before.
I
think
you
would
have
previously
seen
people
circling
for
a
sport
in
central
car
park
and
that's
not
been
the
case
I've
observed
recently
and
there's
some
other
car
parks
that
are
less
well.
I
That's
the
less
well
used
I
think
what
the
the
stress
you
really
recognizes
that
it
it's
a
framework
within
which
we
can
take
huge
future
decisions.
It's
not
actually
taking
decisions
at
this
time,
but
it's
enabling
us
to
kind
of
set
the
scene
for
any
decisions
we
may
we
should
take
in
the
future.
It
also
highlights
things
around
the
rollout
of
EV
charging
points
which
which
we're
keen
to
support,
as
well
as
highlighting
some
opportunities
to
improve,
drop
off
and
set
down
points.
I
For
example,
that's
what
it's
recognizing
that
some
car
Parks
perform
specific
roles,
for
example
in
supporting
the
church
or
the
mosque,
or
supporting
Fairfield
school,
for
example.
So
we're
we're
aware
that
there
are
some
specific
roles
there
for
the
car
parks
as
councilor
Ganesh
highlighted.
We,
we
are
looking
for
members
views
this
evening
to
inform
the
portfolio
holder
prior
to
a
cabinet
decision
on
adoption
of
the
strategy
in
December.
So
we're
keen
to
hear
your
your
views
on
what
you
think
about
it,
Peter's
going
to
Peter
Smith.
I
J
J
So
we
undertook
a
public
engagement
exercise
between
the
17th
of
October,
the
14th
of
November,
which
was
advertised
on
social
media
through
email
contact
via
press
releases
in
the
Discovery
Center
and
as
well
as
in
car
parks,
in
an
effort
to
get
responses
from
as
many
people
as
as
possible.
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
very
high
level
cancer
through
the
results
of
what
we've
found
so
far.
J
The
questions
we
put
to
them
were
aligned
to
the
nine
strategy
themes
which
you'll
see
in
the
draft
document,
and
they
range
from
purpose
of
driving
to
Basingstoke,
where
a
particular
car
park
was
favored,
awareness
of
other
car
parks
and
also
to
what
extent
respondents
would
be
prepared
to
use
alternative
travel
modes.
If
improvements
were
made.
A
J
I
should
project
my
voice,
so
77
of
respondents
stated
they
were
came
from
outside
the
ringway
and
21
from
inside
and
two
percent
categorize
themselves
as
other,
which
is
quite
significant
response,
because
one
of
them
was
for
a
spokesman
for
the
top
of
town
businesses.
So
we've
gathered
their
thoughts
as
well,
a
commuter
which
came
actually
from
Wandsworth
and
a
resident
with
very
little
transport
connection,
so
that
accounts
for
all
the
people
that
responded.
J
Five
percent
of
those
respondents
stated
that
they
or
a
passenger
they
regularly
traveled
with
was
the
hold
of
a
blue
badge.
So
we
tried
to
to
look
at
this
as
well,
so
analysis
identified
the
following
key
messages
that
the
majority
of
respondents
that
was
about
54
said
that
they
generally
traveled
to
Basingstoke
for
shopping,
followed
by
20
for
leisure
purposes,
with
work
being
the
third
most
popular
reason,
and
that
was
at
14
percent
and,
interestingly,
this
ranking
was
replicated
in
response
to
the
free
text.
J
J
So
moving
on
to
the
car
parks
that
people
use
the
top
five
favored
car
Parks
were
identified
as
being
those
closest
to
the
Town
Center
shopping
area.
Unsurprisingly,
with
the
most
popular
being
Festival
place,
followed
by
Joyce's
yard,
a
lonesome
link
which
some
may
know
as
the
males
and
castan's
yard
and
finally
Central.
J
When
asked
the
reason
for
this
choice,
we
received
160
individual
free
text
answers,
but
the
overwhelming
message
from
which
came
out
of
that
was
they
used
these
car
parks
for
convenience
of
accessing
Town
Center
facilities
in
general
terms,
cost
and
convenience
relating
to
accessibility
from
Journey
origin
and
the
location
of
the
car
park.
In
terms
of
destination
months,
they
had
parked
ranked
as
being
the
most
important
to
respondents
when
parking.
J
J
Point
indicated
that
82
percent
of
responders
did
not
own
an
electric
car
and
therefore
the
availability
of
an
EV
child
Port
charge
point
was
the
least
important
73
of
respondents
stated
they
would
not
be
interested
in
using
an
electric
car
club.
If
one
were
available,
however,
those
that
stated
they
would
be
prepared
to
use
one
said
they
would
probably
do
so
at
least
on
a
weekly
basis
and
in
more
General
Car
Club
provision
26
supported
our
investigating
any
options
so
moving
on
to
the
terms
of
alternative
travel,
which
people
may
consider.
J
48
40
excuse
me,
48
said
they
would
support
the
introduction
of
Park
and
stride
car
parks,
but
those
who
stated
they
did
not
support
this
option.
They
were
asked
whether
a
lower
charge
for
parking
would
change
their
mind
and
72
said
that
it
wouldn't
if
a
car
chess
chair
scheme
was
introduced
in
Basingstoke,
only
seven
percent
said
that
they
would
be
likely
or
very
likely
to
use
this
method.
J
At
the
end
of
the
online
survey,
respondents
were
asked
if
they
had
any
additional
comments
they
wished
to
make
and
105
comments
were
received,
of
which
the
top
five
related
to
the
following
themes:
the
availability
of
free
parking,
the
convenience
factor,
the
opposition
to
any
reduction
of
parking
spaces.
Fourth,
equal
was
the
requirement
for
a
better
public
transport
system
and
there
was
greater
support
for
improved
cycle
and
pedestrian
facilities,
and
the
fifth
was
support
for
Town
Center
businesses.
J
So,
in
conclusion,
this
confirms
those
requirements
that
residents
business
users
of
our
car
parks
and
Town
Center
regard
as
being
important
and
reinforces
the
importance
of
ensuring
that
the
tests
contained
in
draft
strategy
theme
one
are
thoroughly
undertaken
when
we
consider
any
development
opportunities
on
our
car
parks.
That
was
a
really
quick
Canter
through
quite
a
few
responses
and
I
hope.
J
F
Tony
yeah
I
think
having
read
through
this
I
must
say
it
was.
It
did
seem
to
repeat
itself
a
little
bit
which
it's
a
little
bit
a
bit
difficult
to
get
through.
However,
this
is
this
is
very
welcome.
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
are
hearing
the
results
from
the
consultation
actually
is
really
interesting,
because
that
kind
of
covers
a
lot
of
the
things
you
would
expect
to
hear.
F
I
think
the
thing
that
I
sort
of
gleaned
from
this
was
this
idea
of
potentially
closing
off
some
of
the
more
Central
ones
and
encouraging
this
park
and
stride,
which
I
think
is
a
possibly
very
dangerous
approach,
because,
inherently
as
human
beings
we're
all
just
very
lazy
creatures,
and
we
want
convenience
and
people
want
to
be
able
to
park
and
I
think
there
is
a
huge
Risk
by
trying
to
make
people
to
force
people
to
take
the
exercise.
You'll
actually
just
drive
them
away.
B
C
C
B
C
Going
to
reading
or
Newbury
is
actually
the
parking,
often
enough,
because
it
is
so
much
more
accessible
and
there
is
more
parking
here.
So
I
worry
a
little
bit
and
I
I
know
that
in
in
the
report,
it
does
say
that
any
change
would
be
done
gradually
and
and
monitored
and
I
think
that
is
really
important,
particularly
with
the
view
too.
C
G
G
Yes,
we've
come
out
of
lockdown,
but
I
don't
think
we
finished
I,
don't
think
society's
finished,
changing
whether
or
not
we
go
back
to
as
we
were
I,
don't
know
and
I
think.
Maybe
this
is
a
little
bit
too
soon.
The
strategy
is
good,
but
we
just
don't
know
what's
happening
in
the
world.
We're
also
just
gone
into
a
recession
as
well,
so
I
I'm
just
nervous
about
it.
G
G
G
I
Joined
towards
all
of
those
I'll
try
to
answer
all
those
points
chair,
there's
quite
a
few,
but
particularly
in
respect
to
that
last
point.
The
the
next
steps
from
here
is
the
cabinet
will
consider
this
matter
at
their
meeting
in
early
December,
because
considering
the
strategy
for
adoption,
I
need
to
emphasize
the
point.
The
strategy
isn't
actually
making
decisions
they're
setting
the
framework
for
decisions,
so
what
the
strategy
does
it
sets
out
various
tests.
So
if
we,
if
there
was
a
view,
that's
like
should
be
redeveloped
for
something
else
for
alternative
use.
I
It's
not
intended
to
make
the
Town
Center
less
attractive
to
users,
and
particularly
those
coming
in
from
the
more
rural
parts
of
the
borough,
because
we
recognize
you
know,
lots
of
people
are
dependent
upon
the
Town
Center
for
for
day-to-day
needs.
So
that
that
really
isn't
the
intention
of
it,
but
it's
really
a
piece
of
the
jigsaw:
When
You
See
It
alongside
the
LC
whip,
the
walking
plan
proposals
for
an
MRT
strategy
that
County
looking
to
publish
next
year.
We
see
it
as
part
of
the
solution,
really
I
think
we
need
to
recognize
we.
I
E
Thank
you,
chair,
just
picking
up
where
colleagues
have
left
off
really
and
not
disagreeing
with
any
of
the
points
that
have
been
made.
I
think
the
initial
report
left
us
asking
an
awful
lot
of
questions.
I
think
I
was
reading
it
with
more
questions
at
the
end
of
it
than
I
had
and
I
get
the
point
now
markings
of
it
being
a
framework
rather
than
the
answers,
but
then
again
I
guess.
E
The
question
then
becomes
one
of
what
are
the
outcomes
that
you're
searching
for
and
if
we're
reacting
to
the
current
situation,
if
it's
a
reactionary
thing,
then
I
think
that's
the
wrong
approach
to
take.
If
you
are
talking
about
planning
for
what
you
want
the
Town
Center
to
be,
then
that's
a
very
different
question.
It
demands
a
very
different
set
of
responses
and
I.
Think
that's
something
I
think
you
should
carefully
think
through.
How
do
you
want
this
strategy
to
go
forward
because,
if
you're
talking,
just,
for
example,
about
EV
points?
E
Well,
the
EV
points
we
have
in
the
Town
Center
are
poor
to
begin
with,
none
of
them
are
fast
charges,
they're
all
slow
charges.
So
it's
irrelevant
to
somebody
could
be
shopping
because
they
plug
it
in
and
they've
got
no
more
charge
on
their
car
by
the
time
they
come
back
when
they're
shopping,
they
don't
work
nine
times
out
of
ten
they're
out
of
commission,
so
the
actual
quality
of
EV
charging
in
the
Town
Center
is
poor.
E
The
quality
of
EV
charging
on
the
outside
of
the
Town
Center
is
good
and
that's
usually
provided
by
private
providers,
so
not
with
the
council
setting
that
up
or
achieving
that.
So
that's
a
fundamental
difference
in
how
people
are
using
their
electric
vehicles,
I
think
in
and
out
of
basing
Stoke
and
that's
a
useful
conversation
to
have
actually
talk
to
the
people
who
are
electric
vehicles
in
the
first
place,
to
find
out
their
usage
patterns
because
I
think
that
would
tell
you
something
about
what
we
have.
E
We
then
perhaps
need
in
the
Town
Center
I
do
agree
with
the
point
as
well.
It's
really
important
about
changing
cultures.
The
Town
Center
has
gone
through
hell
and
back
it
hasn't
recovered
in
the
same
way
other
Town
centers
have.
We
have
a
massive
issue
on
our
hands
and
when
we
sat
in
that
debate
with
allies
in
Morrison
with
their
wonderful
response
to
Hemingway's
strategy,
their
idea
was
well.
We
don't
want
the
cards
in
the
Town
Center.
Do
we
we
want
to
get
the
cars
out
of
the
Town
Center?
E
That
was
a
bloke
who
lived
in
London.
It
wasn't
a
bloke
who
lived
in
Basingstoke
or
lived
in
a
North
Hampshire
rural
relationship
to
a
market
town.
It's
a
fundamentally
different
perspective
that
we
need
to
take.
We
want
to
get
people
out
of
their
cars.
Well,
let's
have
a
decent
bus
service.
We
haven't
got
a
decent
bus
service,
so
we
can't
get
people
or
expect
them
to
get
out
of
their
cars.
E
You
can't
expect
this
strategy
to
fit
with
a
mass
rapid
transit
system
with
the
mass
rapid
transit
system
is
supposed
to
be
a
bus
on
the
existing
Network
that
isn't
a
mass
rapid
transit
system.
So
the
county
are
failing
as
miserably
on
this
in
terms
of
a
strategy.
That
is
any
coherence
to
what
we
want
our
town
center
to
be
for
the
future,
and
it's
not
your
fault
and
it's
not
your
bag
and
your
love.
E
Picking
up
the
pieces
and
I
respect
that
this
strategy
is
called
the
parking
strategy,
it
should
be
the
Town
Center
Parking
strategy,
because
it
leaves
the
rest
of
the
borough
out
and
the
rest
of
the
borough
have
got
a
saying
this.
That's
one
constituency,
those
who
live
in
the
town
center
and
those
of
us
who
have
Wards
who
orbit
the
town
said,
are
another
constituency.
E
My
residents,
for
example,
in
Wheel,
Court,
take
the
bus
to
get
into
town
to
do
their
shopping
because
they
can't
walk
up
the
hill
with
the
shopping
because
of
their
age.
Coming
back
the
other
way
you
shouldn't
cut
out
vehicles
from
the
Town
Center,
just
thinking
and
assuming
that
people
in
the
immediate
vicinity
will
just
walk
because
they
live
closer
to
the
town
center,
as
the
bloke
from
allies
and
Morrison's
thought
doesn't
work
like
that.
E
The
vine
Meadow
is
a
fundamentally
different
car
park
and
its
usage
and
its
relationship
and
for
the
Town
Center,
as
opposed
to
Central,
so
that
differentiation
needs
very
carefully
dealing
with,
and
the
vine
Meadow
has
filled
up
more
in
recent
weeks
than
I've
seen
in
a
very
long
time
that
pattern
of
travel
is
beginning
to
change
back
again
now.
Why
is
that?
Because
perhaps
most
people
are
now
in
the
office,
keeping
warm
rather
than
at
home
with
the
bills
all
of
that's
going
on,
but
that
pattern's
changed.
E
The
trains
now
are
getting
much
Fuller
than
they
were
in
recent
memory.
So
all
of
that
needs
to
be
factored
into
this.
So
I'm
just
wondering
lots
of
really
good
ideas
and
you'll
survey
responses
actually
I
think
give
you
the
picture
and
those
survey
responses
paint
a
very
different
picture
to
the
report.
That's
written
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
you're
going
to
jump
in
with
this
decision
in
December
I
get
that.
E
We're
happy
to
talk
to
you
talk
to
colleagues
with
rural
rewards,
who
have
equally
got
issues
talk
to
us
outside
of
this
meeting
Beyond
just
a
consultation,
maybe
organize
some
workshops
that
we
could
take
part
in
with
you
and
we'd
be
very
happy
to
help
them
share
our
ideas.
I'm
sure
of
that
from
colleagues
across
the
chamber
would
really
appreciate
that.
Thank.
K
Hey
thank
you
I'd,
like
to
say,
I,
agree
with
everything
the
previous
speakers
have
said.
It's
just
a
couple
of
practical
points,
really
the
introduction
of
EV
points.
We've
just
had
six
put
in
Bramley
in
in
a
small
car
park.
We
have
it,
it's
not
enforceable
and
I.E
anybody
can
park
in
those
spaces
until
the
tro
is
in
place.
However,
I
they've
been
there
I
think
best
part
of
two
weeks.
K
I've
walked
past
the
more
driven
Parts
on
most
days
and
those
spaces
are
empty
all
day,
which
is
basically
put
six
cars
somewhere
else
within
our
community.
So
the
way
in
which
you
introduce
EV
points
really
needs
to
be
tightened
up
and
and
tidy
and
set
out
from
day
one,
because
it's
caused
all
sorts
of
confusion
for
Bramley
residents,
but
if
you
could
just
make
the
tros
need
to
be
in
place
as
you
put
them
in
in
my
opinion,
because
we've
just
got
more
traffic
parked
on
the
roads
now.
K
Because
there
are
a
lot
more
bigger
cars,
I
mean
I
drive
a
big
car
because
I
don't
fit
in
small
ones,
but
you
know
so
many
times
you
see
doors,
bang
and
that
costs
somebody
to
fix.
So
it's
a
real
problem
that
would
help
people
in
this
in
this
donate,
protect
their
property
and
themselves
because
they
can't
squeeze
in
to
get
in
I,
certainly
can't
anyway.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
doing
this
work.
It's
really
interesting
and
lots
of
really
useful
information.
There
I
wanted
to
Echo
the
points
that
have
already
been
made,
and
particularly
to
build
on
the
point
that
councilor
Harvey
made
because
sorry
I
think
it's
very
much
about
looking
ahead.
L
I
think
that's
absolutely
critical
that
we
need
to
start
with
making
the
Town
Center
as
good
as
it
possibly
can
be
from
the
point
of
view
of
businesses
and
residents,
and
then
once
we
know
what
that
actually
looks
like
work
out
where
people
should
park.
I
think
at
the
moment
we're
working
out
whether
they
should
Park
and
then
working
out
what
the
Town
Center
should
look
like
and
and
it
won't
that
won't
provide
well
for
the
future
and
I.
L
Think
it's
really
important
that
we
I
know
that
you've
done
some
work
already
with
local
businesses
in
retail,
but
walking
around
the
town
center
Festival
place
the
moles.
There
is
so
much
work
that
we
need
to
do
to
work
out.
What
can
we,
how
can
we
help
those
businesses,
those
retail
places,
to
thrive
for
a
long
time
to
come
and
I
think
it's
only
when
we've
done
a
really
good
piece
of
work
with
them
that
we'll
be
able
to
think
about
the
parking.
A
M
I
Chair
the
letter
arrived
about
a
week
ago
and
it's
it's
a
supported
letter.
It
says
effectively
that
the
strategy,
the
strategy
aligns
with
the
emerging
local
transport
plan,
they've
prepared
and
aligns
with
kind
of
General
good
principles
around
supporting
access
to
the
town
center
for
alternative
modes
and
recognizing
the
rule
Hinterland.
Okay,.
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification.
I
have
one
doubt
about
this
appendix
data
which
is
compared
with
2019-2022,
while
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
on
on
the
data,
and
it
is
getting
better
here
on
year,
and
there
is
one
more
important
factor
that
we
need
to
take
into
the
consideration.
In
2019,
there
was
no
Saint
Michael's
Park,
which
is
close
proximity
to
the
town
center
and
good
amount
of
people,
which
is
this
part
of
the
town
and
Winchester
side
of
the
part
of
the
card.
M
M
So
it
has
taken
the
significant
amount
of
profits
which
is
coming
into
the
town,
otherwise
has
gone
into
Saint
Michael's
fall.
So
during
your
calculations,
have
you
taken
into
the
consideration
how
much
of
traffic
we
lost
as
a
town
center
because
of
the
Saint
Michael's
Park,
which
has
introduced
in
2009
between
2019
and
2022.
A
Understand
that,
but
we're
going
to
discuss
that
amongst
ourselves,
and
we
can
put
that
as
a
recommendation.
Otherwise
we'll
be
talking
around.
That's
the
idea
to
move
it
on
just
to
ask
the
questions
and
then
we're
going
to
debate
amongst
yourself
what
we're
putting
recommendations
to
the
cabinet
to
look
at.
If,
if
you
understand
where
I
come
from,
yes,.
N
Thank
you,
chair
well,
I
agree
with
pretty
much
everything.
That's
been
said
by
colleagues.
So
far
with
the
the
data
that's
been
gathered,
it
says
it's
mostly
from
the
first
seven
months
of
2022
I'm,
assuming
that's
Pro
rata
with
2019,
rather
than
the
whole
of
2019,
but
again
agreeing
with
colleagues.
The
the
start
of
2022
was
definitely
not
normal.
N
The
first
three
of
months
or
so
people
were
still
very
very
concerned
about
going
into
crowded
places
because
Omicron
was
raging
at
the
time
and
we
were
all
being
told
to
avoid
going
into
crowded
places.
So
it
may
be
better
looking
at
the
last
six
months
of
2022
and
alongside
the
last
six
months
of
2019.
N
and
compare
those
might
be
a
little
more
accurate,
particularly
as
we're
saying
about
hype
working
having
an
effect
and
yet
we're
all
being
encouraged
to
stop
hybrid
working
I,
mean
I,
think
our
former
prime
minister,
a
couple
of
them
back
Mr
Johnson,
said
that
he
was
distracted
by
cheese
when
he
was
working
from
home.
Mr
Morgan
was
leaving.
Rhys-Mogg
was
leaving
sarcastic
comments
for
members
of
Staff
about
how
they
he
was
sorry.
N
I
would
class
myself
as
one
of
those
and
I
I
seem
to
remember
the
Hemingway
rep.
One
of
them
claims
that
15
minutes
was
a
nice
easy
walk
when
every
step
is
painful.
15
minutes
is
torture.
It
is
not
a
nice
easy
walk
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination.
Five
steps
is
barely
an
easy
walk
at
that
point.
So
I
I
am
pleased
to
note
that
that
is
being
considered,
or
at
least
I
hope.
N
It
is
as
one
of
the
responses,
Park
and
stride,
isn't
that
just
using
one
of
the
car
Parks
that's
slightly
further
out
of
town,
we're
saying
58
support,
Park
and
stride,
and
yet
we're
also
told
that
people
don't
want
to
use
the
car
parks
that
are
only
just
outside
the
Town
Center
I'm,
slightly
sort
of
curious
as
to
how
those
two
things
marry
up
anyway.
I'll
shut
up
now
anyway.
Sorry
about
that.
Thank
you.
I
Just
picking
up
on
the
point
around
supporting
business
and
I.
Suppose
it
is
the
point
around.
This
parking
strategy
is
supposed
to
align
with
the
with
the
allies
and
Morrisons
master
plan
that
we've
we've
debated
and
consulted
upon
it
for
the
past
couple
of
years.
So
I
think
it's
recognizing.
The
town
needs
to
thrive
and
recognizing
the
car
parking
plays
an
important
part
of
supporting
the
town
center
and
that
car
Parks.
I
We
need
to
have
a
range
of
different
types
of
car
park,
different
locations,
different
multi-story,
surface
level,
car
parking
payment
options
to
support
those
people
that
want
to
access
the
town
and
do
so
in
the
most
convenient
Manner,
and
that
includes
electric
vehicle
points.
So
I
recognize
the
point.
You've
made
councilor
Harvey
around
the
provision
there
and
I
think
we're
looking
to
roll
those
out
in
more
locations.
We've
got
a
rapid
charger.
We've
got
some
fast
charges,
but
I
think
there's
a
need
for
more
of
those
in
the
future
foreign.
A
Have
we
got
a
date
or
any
inkling
I
know
some
of
about
when
they're
going
to
change
the
one-way
system
around
the
actual
Town
Center,
because
it
will
be
relevant
to
car
parking,
especially
at
the
top
of
the
town.
It's
an
area.
Obviously
we
want
to
develop,
we've
been
trying
to
develop
it
for
God
knows
how
many
years
and
it
hasn't
worked.
But
my
concern
is
that
if
we,
if
we
go
too
deep
into
it
without
any
of
these,
when
we
know
the
changes
and
how
they're
going
to
affect
us,
we
could
miss
the
boat.
I
There's
no
specific
date
for
that
at
all
chair.
It's
it's
an
issue!
That's
been
talked
about
and
debated
with
Hampshire
we've
carried
out
some
modeling
work
to
see
what
the
implications
are
of
how
traffic
flows
around
the
town
center,
but
there's
no
firm
detail
on
all
proposals
to
bring
that
forward.
At
present
time.
A
E
Amongst
all
of
us,
that's
worthy
of
a
bit
deeper
examination
with
you.
If
that
was
possible
and
to
support
you
in
making
a
good
decision
that
we
all
want
to
be
part
of
and
support
you
in
that
I
also
think.
Just
in
terms
of
the
business
point,
you
can't
escape
the
basing
view
you
can't
escape
the
Town
Center,
there's
so
many
elements
to
what
you're
talking
about
that
have
different
pieces
of
the
puzzle.
E
If
you
like
and
I'm
just
conscious,
the
one-size-fits
all
isn't
going
to
work
and
I
know,
that's
not
what
you're
proposing,
but
the
methodology
needs
to
be
cute
enough
to
pick
up
on
all
of
that
so
yeah
as
a
first
recommendation.
If
the
cabinet
member
would
be
willing
that
might
be
a
constructive
way
forward
and
I'm,
not
meaning
a
member's
advisory
panel,
I
mean
a
task
and
finish
panel
in
support
of
the
cabinet
member.
F
Following
on
from
Council
half
is
pretty
similar,
I
think
really.
This
needs
to
be
looked
at
in
a
much
more
over
arching
strategic
perspective,
with
all
the
transport
and
planning
stuff
and
really
needs
to
be
fit
into
a
place,
so
whether
that
means
creating
a
sort
of
a
timeline
that
shows
how
we
put
all
this
together
and
where
parking
comes
out
in
it.
F
Sorry,
it's
always
it's
hard.
It's
right,
I'm
sure
just
saying
so.
I
think
this
needs
to
be
looked
at
so
that
we've
got
actually.
This
is
fits
into
a
timeline
of
how
it
fits
in
with
all
the
other
stuff,
which
is
kind
of
pretty
much.
What
council
Harvey
said
so
that
we
don't
try
and
take
this
I
appreciate.
F
You've
tried
to
do
the
framework
I
think
that
might
be
why
it's
come
across
as
a
little
bit
confusing,
perhaps
and
a
little
bit
difficult,
raising
more
questions,
because
it's
trying
to
come
up
with
a
framework
of
the
potential
outcomes
before
we're
ready
for
it.
So
it's
trying
to
the
Tails
trying
to
Wag
the
Dog
a
bit.
If
anything,
and
maybe
we
need
to
just
take
it
back
a
bit
from
there.
G
Chair
I
think
the
work
that's
been
done
is
really
really
good.
A
lot
of
thought
has
gone
into
it
and
I
think
when
Mark
presented
it
how
it
fitted
in
with
the
other
strategies,
pull
it
into
context
for
me,
but
my
biggest
concern
is
talking
about
the
buses
and
the
improved
public
transport
that
is
Hampshire,
County,
Council
and
I'm,
and
the
thought
of
the
match
you
provide
in
it
I.
Just
don't
think
it's
realistic.
G
M
M
You
so
here
what
I?
What
I
understand
here
is.
Some
of
the
references
here
made
in
this
strategy
are
categorically
promoting
the
more
number
of
houses
which
is
drafted
in
the
Master
Temple
master
master
plan
strategy,
so
the
sparking
strategy
to
me.
It
appears
that
oh,
we
are
accommodating
some
spaces
or
more
houses
which,
when
it
came
to
this
committee,
we
rejected
to
build
1800
houses
in
the
Town
Center,
and
this
parting
strategy
is
mentioning
a
special
I'll.
Tell
some
of
the
points.
This
is
done
to
create
some
space
for
homes.
M
That
is
what
included
in
this
wording
was
giving
me
some
caution
whether
the
strategy
is
developed
for
purely
on
the
parking
purpose,
or
it
is
developed
just
for
creating
some
space
to
build
houses
and
jobs.
That
wording
is
really
disturbing
chair
here,
so
on
this
purpose,
I
urge
the
portfolio
holder
to
categorically
consider
this
parking
strategy
should
be
considering
the
parking
for
the
entire
District
not
to
accommodate
few
more
houses
in
the
Town
Center.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair
just
to
clear
about
the
objective
of
this
parking
strategy
is
not
to
take
the
park
parking
spaces
away
from
the
use,
but
the
the
strategy
is
to
sort
of
set.
Some
tests
set
some
framework
on
the
use
of
it
and
if
there
is
a
parking
space,
that's
not
utilized
to
find
an
alternative
use
if
there
is
any
that
could
help
towards
town
center,
but
that
is
not
the
object
you
actually
suggested
to
make
space
for
the
housing.
So
I
just
want
to
clear
that
chair.
E
I'm
just
told
him:
I'd
have
a
hand
thinking
it's
a
chicken
in
the
egg
thing,
because
if
you're
saying
and
I
get
it
we're
going
to
do
the
study
on
the
car
parking,
the
car
parking
results
in
the
spaces
being
available
right
now.
What
do
we
use
the
spaces
for
we're
going
to
build
houses
in
the
Town
Center
you've
already
said
in
other
strategies
that
there's
2
000
units
coming
to
the
town
center.
E
Therefore,
if
all
of
these
pieces
of
the
puzzle
fall
into
place,
what
you're
now
doing
with
the
parking
strategies
providing
the
spaces
to
build
some
of
those
houses?
So
it's
it's
a
self-fulfilling
prophecy.
Now
we've
said
we
don't
want
that.
Clearly,
we
don't
want
that
the
local
plan
isn't
finalized.
Yet
it's
unpause
and
I
respect.
There's
no
plan
B
at
the
moment,
I
get
that
that's
an
issue
of
through
the
debate
in
another
time,
but
I'm
just
conscious,
I,
don't
I
wouldn't
want
this
to
be
the
green
light
for
that.
E
A
Cancel
I
think
what
you're
saying
we
can
put
that
forward
as
a
recommendation.
This
is
what
we're
here
for,
if
we're
not
happy
with
the
what
was
being
proposed
or
what
may
be
proposed,
that's
we
put
out
as
a
recommendation.
We
do
not
want
to
lose
car
parking
where
we
may
need
it.
We
want
to
make
sure
we've
got
the
the
sufficient
car
parking
for
business
for
the
business
of
base
and
stuff
to
keep
it
prosperous
and
then,
after
that,
we,
after
a
period
of
time,
we
can
actually
look
to
see
what
we've
got
left.
O
A
Sorry
I'll
keep
on
Switching
this
thing
off
there
yeah
so
we'll
we'll
leave
this
north
thank
Council
Nash
and
the
two
officers
for
their
time
and
I.
Don't
think
it
was
that
painful,
but
it
was
very
interesting
actually
and
I
and
I
think
you
hope
to
see
you
back
here
again
at
some
stage,
because
I
think
it's
such
a
big
issue
that
hey.
B
P
So
one
is
obviously
to
consider
I'm
sure
Julia's
got
better
wording
than
this.
One
is
to
consider
not
necessarily
taking
spaces
away
to
build
homes
and
units
in
the
Town
Center.
Until
we
understand
what
a
local
plan
is
saying,
what
then
it
that
new
love
of
our
homes
is
going
to
be
and
actually
what
the
requirement
for
parking
is
and
that
the
two
are
they
are
interlinked,
but
one
becomes
for
the
other.
P
Excuse
me
a
recommendation
around
actually
having
more
of
a
conversation
around
a
form
of
task
and
Finnish
group
to
actually
consider
all
of
the
activities
before
taking
the
decision
on
this
strategy
and
would
welcome
a
further
conversation
with
cabinet
and
portfolio
holder
in
order
to
do
that
really
important
to
consider
the
overall
transport
requirements
within
the
borough,
particularly
around.
What
does
public
transport
look
like
and
link
to
that?
P
A
request
to
understand
what
Hampshire
is
intentions
are
in
terms
of
their
strategy
and
whether
they,
whether
it's
an
intention
to
invest
whether
they
can
invest,
having
a
further
understanding
of
that
and
a
general
sort
of
recommendation
around
what
what's
the
plan
rather
than
being
reactive
in
terms
of
about
the
strategy
itself?
Is
there
anything
else,
Julia.
A
D
D
It
looks
at
where
we
are
at
the
moment
and
where
residents
tell
us
that
we
are
as
far
as
their
feedback,
it
sets
out
really
or
what
actions
are
our
responsibility
and
what
key
partners
and
services
are
involved,
what
the
time
scales
are
and
the
some
ideas
about
the
measures
to
test
how
we're
doing
should
that
area
or
action
be
adopted
and
we're
really
clear
in
this
plan
about
what's
our
responsibility?
What's
the
responsibility
of
of
others.
D
So
we
need
to
keep
that
in
our
minds
when
we
think
about
time,
scales,
Who's
involved
and
the
the
measures
that
we
Implement.
Clearly
it's
a
draft
plan.
It's
going
out
for
consultation,
myself
and
chief
exec
have
already
started
some
of
those
conversations
with
our
public
sector
partners
with
our
voluntary
sector
partners
and
some
meetings
with
both
smes
and
large
businesses
across
the
borough.
So
we
can
get
their
views
on
it.
D
The
great
thing
about
going
out
and
speaking
to
people
that
we
work
with
is
sometimes
they
tell
us
what
isn't
a
surprise.
Sometimes
they
tell
us
things
that
are
a
clear
surprise
to
us
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
they're
experiencing.
For
me,
the
real
Focus
needs
to
be
on
how
we
can
help
our
residents
how
we
can
help
and
support
our
businesses
and
all
of
those
people,
I
suspect,
will
need
more
help
from
us
than
they've
needed
for
us
quite
some
time.
I
am
only
acutely
aware
of
that.
D
I
would
appreciate
the
the
views
and
recommendations
of
this
committee.
Clearly
myself
and
the
chief
executor
here
to
respond
to
some
of
those
that
may
be
that
you've
got
questions
about
what
that
what
some
of
the
items
mean.
It
may
be
that
you
have
some
recommendations
that
you'd
like
us
to
change
very
specific
things
on
wording
or
it
may
be
some.
D
There
may
be
some
comments
that
you
have,
that
we'll
have
to
take
away
and
add
some
thoughts
to
it
or
even
and
some
thoughts
from
this
committee
and
from
those
people
who
respond
to
the
consultation
as
well.
So
I'll
leave
that
there
I
don't
know
whether
Russell
wants
anything
before
you
go
into
your
questions.
Q
Q
It
obviously
doesn't
say
out
everything
we
do,
because
we
provide
hundreds
of
different
services
and
the
documents
would
be
about
10
000
pages
long.
If
it
did
attempt
to
do
that,
but
it
sets
out
the
key
things
we
we
would
focus
on
over
the
next
four
years
and
the
draft
budget
that
you'll
see
later
has
very
much
been
formed
or
informed
by
the
draft
council
plan.
A
C
F
You
chair
it's.
This
is
a
good
report
and
I
quite
liked
it.
It's
slightly.
The
leveling
up
measures
are
a
wee
bit
challenging
for
those
of
us
with
a
with
slightly
challenged
Vision,
but
something
up
having
come
from
doing
the
hook
about
the
parking
strategy.
It's
quite
interesting
because
again,
public
transport
is
one
thing
that
comes
out
and
the
cycle
to
employment.
Centers
again,
these
are
below
average
and
drive
to
employment
centers.
So
again
we
are
seeing
a
common
theme
coming
out.
F
I
also
noticed
that
we
have
an
issue
with
overweight
children,
we're
just
on
average
on
that
and
overweight
adults.
We
are
below
you
know
from
that
one.
So
that's
that's
not
as
not
as
good.
So
when
I've
gone
through
looking
at
the
actions
that
when
you
actually
look
at
the
local
Services,
then
on
page
98
and
the
things
that
make
an
area
good
place
to
live,
we've
got
the
health
services,
that's
picked
up
on
crime
and
anti-social
Behavior.
F
So
Road
and
pavement
repairs,
which
I
know
comes
under
Hampshire,
but
we
don't
seem
to
have
any
mention
of
of
joined
up
working
on
that
one
parking
in
my
street
again
that
comes
back
to
public
transport
again
and
all
that
sort
of
issues
and
I
know
some
of
it
is
incredibly
challenging.
So
those
of
us
within
all
our
Wards
will
know
how
we
have
to
deal
with
that
one.
So
those
bits
don't
seem
to
be
represented.
F
So
what
what
it
I
think
the
things
the
main
theme
that
comes
out
I
think
that's
an
important
one
is
around
the
health
services.
We
talk
about
the
hospital
and
improve
local
Primary
Health
Services,
there's
nothing
directly
on
well-being,
which
I
think
is
very
important
and
I
know,
certainly
through
the
ICB
work.
That's
going
on!
F
There's
the
sort
of
the
community
well-being
reaching
out
to
try
and
do
stuff
we're
working
locally
across
here
about
trying
to
get
better
well-being,
awareness
within
through
the
PCN
networks
and
things
so
I
think
that
really
could
do
with
being
pulled
out
a
bit
more
in
here
and
also
public
transport
stuff.
Thank
you.
F
D
Of
probably
a
couple
of
specifics,
one
which
is
my
favorite
topic
ever
and
key,
which
is
the
the
ons
data,
the
chief
exec,
is
very
bored
of
me,
keep
looking
at
and
I.
Absolutely
it
was
something
I
would
recommend
everybody,
because
leveling
up
is
one
of
those
phrases
that
sort
of
pillar
read.
Isn't
it
because
it's
got
a
political
connotation,
but
there's
a
there's
a
reality
of
it.
D
Aren't
there
there's
a
headline
and
I
think
it
was
the
Hampshire
Chronicle
this
week
that
sort
of
talked
about
happy
places
and
what's
place
is
happy
and
of
course,
having
been
a
client
of
a
PR
agency.
I
sometimes
have
some
great
beliefs
that
PR
agencies
you
know
set
up
a
survey.
Get
you
to
ask
some
people
come
out
with
something
outrageous
and
it
creates
a
news
story.
The
LNS
doesn't
do
that.
D
The
ons
uses
much
more
reliable
data
that
gives
us
some
real,
credible,
publicly
owned
data
that
helps
us
with
some
of
that
comparison.
So
I
get
that
it's
and
we
had
a
long
discussions.
The
chief
execuli
about
whether
we
include
it
or
not,
but
I
would
absolutely
encourage
people
to
go
to
that
website
and
do
the
research
there's
something
about
the
ons
data,
just
picking
up
on
other
people's
responsibilities.
D
With
that
in
mind,
probably
the
one
thing
that
I
would
specifically
respond
to
which
I
do
think
is
is
really
interesting
for
us.
Isn't
it
that
says
actually
I
I
wonder
why
it
is
that
we
it's
probably
easy
for
us,
because
we
have
some
strategies
like
the
well-being
strategy
that
we
do
with
Partners,
which
is
very
sort
of
statutorily
set
up
versus
if
it's
potholes
and
Hampshire
County
Council
have
a
website
to
report
them.
D
Whether
we
believe
we've
got
a
role
in
that
and
it's
something
that
I'll
take
away
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
think
about
that
and
say
well,
what
is
it
we
can
do
that
helps
doing
that
I'm
sure
I'm,
not
alone.
As
you
know,
one
of
the
greatest
things
I
love
doing
at
weekend
is
going
on
what
we
would
call
pothole
Patrol
in
our
Wards
reporting
potholes
and
it's
a
it's
amazing.
Isn't
it?
D
I
I
can
see
some
counselors
pulling
faces.
I
absolutely
recommend
it
because
nine
times
out
of
ten
it
gets
fixed.
It
may
take
a
little
while,
as
far
as
their
assessment
you're
like
well
I,
say
nine
times
out
of
ten
The
Nine's
out
of
ten
is
those
little
ones
that
don't
meet
the
criteria
and
it's
difficult
as
far
as
as
far
as
the
measurement.
D
So
there's
there's
something
in
in
here
for
me,
which
is
also,
it
presents
a
bit
of
a
challenge
because
we
often
talk
about
council
plan
in
terms
of
what
the
officers
do.
I
think
there's
also
something
in
here
that
talks
about
perhaps
what
we
do
as
counselors
and
there's
something
isn't
there
about
that
for
our
sort
of
what
the
LGA
would
call
as
21st
century
council's
role
and
talk
about
well,
actually,
how
do
we
enable
community?
So
actually
there
is
also
something
in
there
about
that
says.
Well,
actually,
this
is
what
we
directly
do.
D
This
is
what
we
do
with
our
partners,
but
actually,
how
do
we
also
enable
people
to
do
things
that
really
make
a
difference
and
get
stuff
done
and
I
think
from?
For
me,
potholes
is
one
of
those
things.
Isn't
it
that
says.
Actually
you
get
lots
of
reports
for
a
pothole.
It
increases
its
likelihood
and
its
speed
to
get
it
fixed
so
again,
I'll
take
away
some
of
that
and
say
well
actually,
what
does
that
mean
for
who
can
do
what
that
makes
difference.
L
Thank
you.
Yes,
this
is
great.
Thank
you
really
interesting
loads
of
really
good
things
to
get
excited
about,
but
one
thing
I
want
to
be
more
excited
about
is
business
because
looking
at
page
101,
we
talk
about
marketing
business
opportunities
and
supporting
our
existing
and
incoming
businesses,
but
it's
not
very
exciting
and
I
think
it
could
be
a
lot
more
exciting.
Why
do
people
want
to
come
and
build
a
business
in
Basingstoke?
L
Why
is
it
the
best
place
to
build
a
business
and
I
think
we
should
try
much
harder
to
work
with
the
businesses
are
here
that
are
here
and
the
ones
that
might
want
to
come
to
find
out.
What
can
we
do
to
make
this
the
best
place
for
you
and
I
think
we
should
try
to
convey
that
a
bit
more
strongly
in
our
council
plan,
foreign.
D
Lots
of
people
will
have
already
articulated.
Perhaps
some
dissatisfaction
about
me
being
really
public
about
Asylum
seekers
in
hotels
that
comes
as
a
direct
response
from
feedback
from
businesses
saying
they
are
struggling
to
get
their
visitors
and
their
business
beds
booked
in
this
town.
That
has
a
fundamental
impact
on
the
amount
of
investment
that
businesses
can
do
right
here
right
now,
and
we
need
to
listen
to
that
and
do
whatever
we
can
to
enact
on
that.
D
There
are
interesting
things
that
then
become
really
specific,
because
I
can
I
can
be
really
cross
with
a
home
office
about
that
that
they
don't
work
with
us
as
well
as
I
would
like,
but
there
are
other
things
that
are
directly
in
our
control
and
I
know
it's
something
that
will
be
very
familiar
to
members
in
at
this
chamber
that
it
is
a
criticism
that
I
have
heard
over
and
over
again,
which
I
question.
What's
in
our
Direct
Control?
It's
certainly
something
that
we
have
a
direct
influence
in.
D
Where
do
you
know
what
there's
a
real
issue
about
the
availability
of
taxis
in
this
Borough?
So
that's
a
real
that's
a
real
impact,
whether
you
want
to
go
out
and
enjoy
the
nighttime
economy
in
the
town
and
you're,
looking
for
a
safe
way
home
or
whether
you're
somebody
who
wants
to
get
your
business
guess
from
a
hotel
to
your
office
in
Basin
view.
So
there
are
some
real
issues
around
that.
D
If
anybody
talks
this
town
down
the
impact
it
has
on
people
trying
who've
got
businesses
here
to
bring
extra
Investments.
So
it's
really
interesting.
What
does
that
mean?
Because
for
me,
there's
something
about
listening
to
those
businesses
when
they
tell
us
really
clearly
what
they
want,
which
is
different
and
some
of
those
things
I
think
will
be
challenging
for
us,
because
saying
here
is
a
happy
and
prosperous
place
residents
and
businesses
love
being
here
come
and
join.
D
M
M
Yes,
leader
kindly
asked
us
to
look
into
the
awareness
data
I,
exactly
that's
what
I
did
it
I
looked
at
the
ons
data
chair
and
there
are
four
areas
of
investing
stock
identified
as
the
most
depression
deprivation
areas.
One
of
them
is
the
brookwell
and
Kings
for
long
the
deprivation
index
of
the
Brooks
well
and
thinks
for
long
in
2000,
2015
to
2020,
and
it
has
degree
degraded
from
the
the
worst
50
percentage
to
the
worst
30
percenters.
This
is
the
awareness
data
chair.
So
yes,
the
theme
is
very
good.
M
The
council
priority
theme
of
you
know
where
people
can
live
very
well
and
the
action
points
in
one
not
four
kindly
identified
the
two
areas
Buckskin
and
south
ham,
but
Brook
Village
couldn't
make
it
there.
So
what
I
request
is.
Please
include
a
special
plan
to
increase
to
eradicate
the
deprivation
in
brookwell
and
Kings
for
long
war.
That
is
the
number
one
point
the
second
one
that
I
would
like
to
bring
is
our
attention
is
to
the
page
number
97,
where
there
is
an
interesting
question
here
chair.
M
Given
the
2011
ethnic
minority
stats,
we
didn't
get
the
2022
ethnic
minority
status,
our
stats
in
Awareness,
yet
we
have
11
percentage
of
the
ethnic
minority
population
and
Beijing
stock
and
Dean
District,
and
only
79
percentage
people
said
yes.
That
means
21
percentage.
People
didn't
even
agree
that
right,
so
I
would
like
officers
to
carefully
observe
that
21
percentage
of
people
are
they
really
are
they
all
from
the
minority
ethnic
communities
or
they
should
be
having
some
majority
Community,
also
agreeing
that
they're
not
getting
on
very
well.
M
A
D
Happy
to
respond
to
both
of
those
main
points
if
I
may
share
deprivation,
I,
absolutely
agree
and
I
suspect
what
may
have
got
lost
in
some
of
the
detail
is
actually
what
sort
of
activity
happens
within
those
Wards
with
the
a
great
deprivation.
So
for
me
there
may
be
something
that,
because
we'd
think
about
some
of
our
our
primary
roles
that
we
have
as
an
authority
that
may
be
about
regeneration.
D
But
of
course,
if
we
look
to
other
predeterminants
of
of
the
impact
of
and
and
reality
of
deprivation,
we're
talking
about
health,
we're
talking
about
housing,
we're
talking
about
safety.
So
there
is
something
for
me,
particularly
with
my
role
within
the
ICB
that
I
take
that
as
full
support
for
health
money
to
follow
where
the
need
is,
and
that
is
a
reality
I
think
across
our
our
patch,
so
I
I
absolutely
take
that
forward
and
for
me,
there's
also
something
about
understanding
what
that
means.
D
As
far
as
access
to
health
care,
I
suspect.
Some
of
that
goes
together
with
your
second
Point
regarding
whether
people
get
on
or
feel
that
they
get
on
well
together
from
different
ethnic
backgrounds.
For
me,
there
is
something
about
the
amount
of
work
that
there
is
still
yet
to
do.
There's
something
for
me
about
how
much
work
is
being
done
by
this
local
Authority,
but
also
with
its
partners
again
in
the
health
and
the
community
safety
sphere.
D
I
also-
and
it's
the
bit
that
we
didn't
include,
but
we
certainly
I
know
the
chief
exec
has
offered
it
to
all
political
groups
that
actually
the
comparators
not
there
for
that
recording
so
actually
for
other
stats,
you'll
see
it
talks
about
Southeast
and
National.
That
score
is
still
relatively
High.
I
agree
that
21
is
still.
You
know,
an
area
that
we
need
to
focus
on.
So
for
me,
there
is
something
about
understanding.
What
that
what
that
is.
D
I
do
love
data,
and
probably
the
most
frustrating
bit
about
that
is
it
won't
tell
us,
are
they
specific
ethnic
groups
in
specific
geographical
areas,
which
I
think
would
be
really
helpful
to
understand
what
it
is
you
can
do
and
where
you
need
to
do
it,
but
I?
It's
certainly
something
that
we
can
look
at
taking
away.
R
Unfortunately,
there
are
rather
fewer
of
those
now
but
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
understand
in
in
all
of
this
council
plan,
that
access
to
Green
Space
is
vitally
important
for
both
businesses
and
residents.
But
the
particular
point
that
I
want
you
to
be
encouraged
with
is
on
page
12
of
16..
We
talk
about,
create
and
deliver
a
new
biodiversity
strategy.
R
I'd
really
like
you
to
add
in
in
the
including
a
program
of
establishing
nature
recovery,
Network
areas,
I,
don't
want
us
to
lose
the
lnrn
concept
in
this
framework.
I
know
I
totally
understand.
You
are
telling
me
that
there
are
many
strategies
hanged
below
this,
and
everything
is
not
included,
but
that
is
a
key
thing
that
will
be
going
forward
and
it
must
tie
in
with
our
local
plan,
as
well
as
our
council
plan
and
then
specifically
on
watery
things.
I
would
really
like
that.
R
D
Thank
you
very
much
chair
very
happy
to
take
the
River
Point
away.
I
I,
don't
think
it
will
have
missed
anybody
by
that
councilor
tuck
is
particularly
focused
on
Rivers
and
I.
Think
we
just
ensure
that
we
look
at
the
water
quality
and
the
importance
of
all
of
our
wonderful
Rivers
across
the
borough,
so
I
absolutely
take
that
one
away.
I
take
the
L
and
R
Point.
D
What
I'll
probably
need
to
consider
with
the
cabinet
and
the
chief
exec,
is
what
that
means
for
areas
of
all
designations,
because
I
know
we
sometimes
in
this
chamber,
have
a
debate
about
the
hierarchy
of
designations.
What
that
means,
what
it
protects
and
how
that
works
across
the
different
areas
and
how
they
interact.
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
thank
you,
chief
executive,
interesting
reading,
to
say
the
least,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
it
to
scrutiny
just
on
the
ons
data,
which
is
interesting.
Isn't
it
looking
at
the
the
deprivation
indices
being
evidence-led
and
I?
Think
that's
my
starting
point
really
I
think
any
council
plan
and
any
budget
they're
derived
of
should
be
evidence-led
and
I.
Think
that
presents
us
with
an
interesting
perspective
on
how
we
might
both
agree,
that
we
have
ambition
and
aspiration
for
our
Borough
and
I.
E
Don't
think
that's
in
question
from
any
of
the
54
councilors
that
sit
on
this
Authority.
The
difference
is
that
we
may
well
have
choices
that
we
might
choose
to
make
that
are
slightly
different
and
we
may
have
priorities
that
are
given
different
emphasis
because
of
how
we
choose
to
put
that
I.
Think
that's
an
important
reflection,
I
think
what
we
could
agree
on.
E
What
I'm
interested
in
is
the
joined
up
thinking
between
both
private
and
public
sector,
with
us
being
the
glue
that
holds
it
all
together.
That
has
been
this
Authority
strength
over
many
many
years.
How
that's
then,
reflected
in
the
outcomes
that
our
residents
get
on
the
ground
is
then
The
Challenge
from
all
parties
really
and
I?
Think
that's
a
really
important
point.
E
The
previous
debate
we
had
gave
us
an
interesting
perspective
on
the
County
Council,
and
you
know
it's
not
all,
let's
all
partly
normally
County
council
tonight,
because
that's
not
fair,
but
there
is
a
point
to
be
said
whereby
the
County
Council
many
times
they're
not
is
the
missing
link
on
a
number
of
our
policy
areas
of
concern
to
members,
and
so
you
know
we
can
bring
others
to
water,
but
we
want
them
to.
There
are
some
that
are
very
hard
to
bring
in
the
first
place
and
I
think
from
a
County
Council
perspective.
E
That
is
quite
a
challenge.
We've
always
punched
above
our
weight
as
a
local,
Authority
and
I
want
to
see
us
continue
to
do
that.
So
I
think
very
first
point
you
said
was
listening
to
Residents
you've
produced
a
council
plan.
You've
produced
a
budget
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
very
interesting
to
reflect
on
what
our
residents
now
say
in
reply
to
that,
and
while
by
all
means,
we
can
pass
comments
this
evening,
I
think
having
that
feedback
to
inform
us
in
our
debate
going
forward
is
principally
important.
E
If
there
was
one
such
strategy
that
I
would
love
to
jettison
because
of
the
consequences
and
the
outcomes,
despite
all
the
warm
words
of
your
predecessors,
it
is
Horizon
2050.
and
when
someone
walks
out
the
door
saying
my
job
is
done,
I've
done
it
now,
and
growth
is
on
his
way.
You
know
that
sometimes
those
strategies
could
be
the
albatross
around
our
neck
and
I.
Just
think
we've
got
to
be
careful
here.
A
strategy
is
one
thing.
E
The
words
are
one
thing:
the
meaning
behind
them
is
everything
the
action
plans
that
sit
behind
them
at
everything.
The
meaning
of
them
is
everything
the
words
on
paper
get
us
to
begin
to
go
down
that
road,
and
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
take
away
from
the
fact
that
this
is
the
start
of
a
process,
just
as
an
example
of
areas,
I
need
to
call
out
Sport
and
Leisure
is
a
major
area.
It's
highlighted
in
the
document
and
obviously
in
the
feedback.
E
So
that's
one
to
look
to
I
think
as
to
what
the
Authority's
plans
would
be
going
forward
to
particularly
address
those
concerns
around
Sports
and
Leisure,
around
Services
I
really
welcome
the
investment
it's
the
second
year
of
seeing
significant
investment
in
our
staff
to
then
deliver
the
services
that
many
of
our
residents
look
to
and
I.
Welcome
that
and
just
four
areas
to
briefly
pick
out
and
perhaps
a
different
perspective,
everything's
that
we
might
do
differently.
E
Regeneration
is
one
of
them.
It
isn't
just
down
to
our
partners
to
do
regeneration.
I
think
we
have
a
responsibility
to
lead
that
agenda,
which
is
not
to
say
that
we
do
it
all,
but
that
we
are
the
enablers
that
perhaps
achieve
an
end
that
otherwise
may
not
be,
and
where
we've
done
that
in
the
past,
we
have
achieved
significant
benefit
to
those
communities
that
have
seen
regeneration
and
that's
from
Oak
Ridge
through
properly
through
Bishop's
green,
through
lots
of
communities
that
have
benefited
over
the
years.
E
From
this
council's
direct
involvement
and
perhaps
there's
a
debate
to
be
had
about
what
we
mean
by
regeneration,
I,
think,
there's
a
big
debate
over
climate
change
and
obviously
you're
out
here
last
night
at
The,
Greener,
Basics,
dope,
Town
Hall
lots
of
different
views
and
lots
of
challenge
for
their
for
you
there,
as
well
as
an
Administration,
as
would
be
any
Administration
and
I.
Think
climate
change
is
an
area
that
we
could
debate
about,
focus
and
output
and
actions
that
we
would
like
to
see.
Health
and
well-being
has
got
to
be
a
priority.
E
I
appreciate
the
meetings
that
have
taken
place
recently,
that
not
all
councilors
were
aware
of.
There
was
a
town
hall
meeting
or
a
round
table
meeting
that
Maria
Miller
had
that
was
arranged
by.
Is
it
the
ICB
thinking
me
the
acronyms?
They
didn't
bother
to
tell
all
councilors
that
they
were
having
that
meeting
and
I
think
that's
to
their
disadvantage
and
shame
really
if
they
want
to
include
us.
They
should
include
us
that
aside.
The
point
about
health
and
well-being
is
something
that's
Authority.
E
I
think
needs
to
take
very
seriously
to
what
we
can
achieve.
Gps
issues
are
huge
at
the
moment
in
our
communities
and
they
continue
to
be
I
know
it's
not
a
direct
responsibility,
but
it
is
a
massive
issue
for
our
residents.
It
affects
everything
else
and
then,
as
a
debate
to
be
had
I.
Think,
finally,
to
the
fourth
area
I'd
highlight
of
what
do
we
mean
by
growth,
we've
debated
negatively
and
we've
thrown
around
the
debate
and
I
appreciate.
The
local
plan
is
on
pause.
E
We
may
have
a
different
perspective
on
what
a
plan
B
might
be
if
there
is
one,
but
from
the
point
of
view
of
what
we
mean
by
growth.
I
think
this
should
be
a
healthy
debate.
In
redefining
what
we
mean
by
that
word,
because
for
our
communities,
environmentally
and
socially,
that
word
should
have
meaning
and
it
isn't
just
about
house
building
and
so
on.
I
think
there's
a
whole
debate
to
be
had
about
what
that
word
means
to
base
in
Stoke
and
Dean
I
would
say
at
the
moment.
D
I'm,
more
than
happy
to
comment
on
that
I
think,
there's
a
it's
a
really
important
conversations
to
be
had,
not
least
with
the
County
Council.
It
won't
have
passed
anybody
by
with
the
public
statements
and
declarations
about
some
of
their
financial
challenges
in
the
next
couple
of
years,
which
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
shy
away
from
that
as
a
leader
of
this
Council.
D
Their
financial
challenges
are
my
number
one
concern
above
and
beyond
anything
in
this
Council
right
now,
because
of
the
impacts
that
they
have
on
our
residents
because
of
the
services
that
they
deliver,
that
are
so
vital
to
people's
safety
and
safeguarding
and
and
our
demand
LED,
and
that
demand
is
only
on
the
increase.
It's
important
to
say
that
myself,
I'm,
the
chief
executive
had
a
meeting
only
last
week
with
the
leader
of
the
County
Council
and
the
chief
exec
to
pick
up
a
conversation
that
we've
had
for
a
couple
of
months.
D
Now
about
that
closer
working
and
understanding
the
importance
of
we
have
a
high
tier,
I'm,
sorry,
a
dual
tier
Authority
system
in
Hampshire
and
Basingstoke
and
Dean.
There
are
lots
of
things
where
there
are
handoffs
between
Services.
There
are
lots
of
times
when
our
resources
have
allowed
us
to
pick
up
some
of
their
financial
gaps
and
I
would
say,
perhaps
over
the
last
few
years.
Some
of
that
isn't
perhaps
done
as
effectively
as
it
could
do
because
they
dropped
something
and
we
run
around
to
see.
D
Actually
what
can
we
pick
up,
and
that
loses
knowledge?
It
loses
members
of
Staff,
it
loses.
We
have
gaps
in
Services,
etc,
etc.
Those
things
and
all
of
those
things
we
have
discussed
as
two
local
authorities
to
make
sure
that
we
better
understand
their
challenges
and
work
together
so
that
we
can
do
all
those
things
for
our
residents.
D
It's
often
been
called
all
sorts
of
things
in
this
chamber,
but
it
doesn't
pass
me
by
how
many
members
voted
for
it
when
it
came
to
this
chamber,
and
do
you
know,
I
I
have
mixed
views
about
Horizon,
2050.
I,
don't
think,
there's
ever
been
such
a
powerful
piece
of
conversation
with
our
residents
I
reflect
on
things
that
perhaps
were
in
there
that
for
all
members,
perhaps
hadn't
thought
through
that
we
were
hearing
from
our
residents.
D
I
absolutely
get
the
point
that
we
have
this
toxic
work
word
in
basenstock
and
Dean,
which
is
the
word
growth.
It's
why
I
choose
the
word
prosperity,
because
that
could
mean
a
myriad
of
things.
Horizon
2050
sets
out
some
interesting
tensions
for
me
because
it
sends
us
messages
about
our
residents
wanting
Prosperity,
whatever
that
is
whatever
makes.
However,
they
experience
that,
but
actually
my
observation
would
be
that
Horizon
2050
was
one
of
the
first
times
that
our
residents
told
us
how
seriously
they
wanted
us
to
take
the
climate
and
ecology.
D
So
there
it's
a
mixed
bag,
and
we-
and
we
shouldn't
forget
that
it
is
not
all
bad.
There
are
some
very
powerful
messages
in
there
from
all
parts
of
sections
of
our
community,
but
I
absolutely
agree.
We
need
to
understand
what
does
that
word:
Prosperity
growth,
whatever,
however,
we
want
to
term
it
again.
It's
worth
sharing
that
in
some
of
those
conversations
we've
had
about
the
draft
council
plan
with
our
partners.
D
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
that
sort
of
80
20
role
that
lots
of
the
housing
growth
over
the
last
50
to
60
years
has
done
many
positive
things
for
this
Borough.
It
has
also
done
some
things
that
we've
had
to
try
and
mitigate
and
and
has
some
consequences,
but
there
is
that
reality
isn't
that
we
all
need
to
have
a
conversation
across
the
borough
about
what
that
20
percent
is
because
saying
we've
done
80
the
easy
stuff
is
say
to
work
out.
D
So
I
take
all
of
those
comments
on
board
and
we
can
work
through
that
process.
Whilst
developing
and
hearing
that
feedback,
because
as
Council
Harvey
says
absolutely
hearing,
that
feedback
is
very
powerful
and,
of
course,
will
only
present
us
with
challenges,
because
we
will
have
lots
of
different
views
even
more
than
the
difference
views
that
we
have
in
this
chamber.
K
A
B
K
Fully
concur
with
councilor
Harvey
on
the
use
of
the
word
expansion
for
those
unfortunates
on
DC
for
the
last
12
years.
They've
heard
me:
bang
on
about
expansion
rather
than
growth
in
Bramley
growth
is
something
positive.
Expansion
brings
with
it
sustainability
issues,
no
many
other
problems
with
maybe
Community
by
community,
so
I
I.
Certainly
there
is
a
a
difference,
in
definition
and
use
of
the
word.
Secondly,
and
I
may
have
missed
it.
K
I
apologize
I'm,
not
too
good
with
some
of
the
font
colors
and
the
background
colors,
because
I'm
having
problems
with
my
eyes
at
the
moment,
but
I
didn't
really
see
anything
there
in
here
about
homelessness,
homeless
people,
rough
sleepers,
because
a
step
or
a
step
on
from
deprivation
can
be,
unfortunately,
can
be
homelessness.
We
we
have
homeless
a
couple
of
rough
sleepers
in
Bramley
now,
so
we're
not
talking
about
a
town
center
problem.
K
Q
Thank
you
chair
and
just
to
our
direct
councilor
Governors,
it's
on
page
8
of
16,
so
it
sets
out
to
deliver
the
priorities
within
the
council's
housing
and
homelessness
strategy,
including
addressing
of
sleeping
preventing
homelessness
and
working
from
through
the
standards
of
local
homelessness
and
support
housing
facilities.
As
you
know,
it's
something
we
put
a
lot
of
focus
and
a
lot
of
investment
into
it
and
one
of
the
things
we
do
very
well.
N
You
chair,
Fred
I'm,
going
back
to
the
deprivation
again
notice
that,
as
the
the
south
ham
and
Buckskin
are
both
included
on
this
Sovereign
regeneration
service,
which
is
great
I,
saw
apparently
there's
the
households
with
one
or
more
of
the
criteria
of
deprivation.
South
Ham's
got
59.7
percent
Buckskin
54.9
percent
Brighton
Hill
has
52.9
percent
and
Hounds
Mill
and
Oakridge
51.3
percent.
N
A
I
have
a
question:
it's
been
touched
on
regeneration
and
things
like
that,
and
it
actually
covers
the
last
topic.
That's
what
I
do
also
this
last
topic
it
in
such
a
growth
Channel.
We
all
know
that
we
want
the
best
from
ways
and
so,
but
we
seem
to
have
forgotten
the
areas
that
were
built
first
for
regeneration.
It's
not
just
buildings,
it's
actually
where
people
live
and
I'd
like
to
see
more
emphasis
on
saying,
well,
yeah
we're
going
to
regenerate
we're
going
to
help
people
the
areas
build
back
up
to
what
they
were.
A
I
represent.
South
Amish
United
represent
boxkin
before
it's,
not
all
bad
people
are.
We
have
poor
people
but
to
make
make
the
areas
lift
up.
We
need
to
be
talking
to
them
saying
what
do
you
want?
You
know
we've
PL
over
the
years,
just
as
an
example,
we
planted
out
flower
beds
and
whatever,
and
you
talk
to
Gordon
I,
can't
think
of
his
name,
not
Gordon,
Wade,
and
here
tell
you
is
very
good.
It's
like
well
who
put
implants
in
they're
the
wrong
sort
of
plants.
A
About
roads
and
which
is
Hampshire,
County
Council,
but
it's
not
only
Hampshire
County
Council
we've
got
a
problem
with
housing
associations
recognizing
what
they
own
and
I
don't
mean
the
housing.
They
obviously
didn't
know
that
it's
parts
that,
when
it
was
sold,
especially
the
ex-council
houses,
were
sold
off.
A
It
was
a
bit
of
a
mess
if,
if
I'm
perfectly
honest,
what
some
bits
were
sold
off
some
bits
weren't
and
we
did
get
an
agreement
at
one
time
off
the
council
and
off
while
I
dealt
with
Sovereign
at
the
time
when
residents
complained
about
something
they
weren't
saying.
Well,
it's
not
ours.
You'll
have
to
contract
and
I
think
we
should
be
doing
something
along
those
lines.
I
don't
know
how
you
can
build
it
in
your
plan,
but
it's
working
with
Partners.
It's
not
just
highbrow.
It's
at
that
level.
A
We
need
to
be
working
with
for
the
simple
stuff
in
life.
People
lived
there
and
my
little
pet
thing
is
and
I'm
not
saying
I
don't
want
flowers
in
the
Town
Center.
We
spend
money
on
the
Town
Center,
looking
very
nice
and
everything
else,
but
most
of
the
people
live
outside
the
Town
Center.
We
need
to
be
doing
a
little
bit
more
for
those.
Q
Q
You
know
a
lot
of
those
areas
of
public
realm,
particularly
out
in
the
Estates
I
mean
some
of
them
are
the
level
where
you
would
need
a
regime
of
Grounds
Maintenance
Way
Beyond,
the
council,
which
would
ever
be
able
to
maintain
and
I
I.
Think
chair,
you're,
aware
of
specific
areas,
probably
in
your
ward,
where
you'd
literally
need
someone
gardening
it
not
not
someone
going
a
number
of
times
a
year.
Q
So
there's
a
program
of
work
already
underway
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we've
put
extra
Staffing
in
to
Grounds
Maintenance,
but
it
will
take
some
time
being
realistic
and
then
on.
Just
on
your
second
point,
one
of
the
challenges,
absolutely
all
stop
transfer
councils
have
is
a
challenge
around
multiple
ownerships,
so
certainly
out
in
our
states.
You
have
scenarios
where
one
bit
of
the
path
is
one
of
the
housing
associations.
A
D
Actually,
of
course,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
we're
talking
about
is
in
increasing
the
the
size
of
the
Ranger
team
of
being
much
clearer
about
how
we
work
with
volunteer
groups
and
on
specific
areas
in
Wards
around
biodiversity
Improvement,
so
people
can
see
what's
being
done
and
what
they
can
do
to
play
their
role
in
that,
and,
of
course,
that
that's
works
for
some
residents.
It
doesn't
work
for
all,
but
also
the
reality
about
the
green
team.
Isn't
that
says:
do
you
know
what?
D
How
often
do
you
get
a
council
employee
knocking
on
your
door?
Well
actually
with
purpose
around
climate
aspirations
and
insulation
and
and
helping
people
with
energy,
inflation
and
cost
of
living?
We
can
do
that,
but
actually
we
will
also
be
out
and
fundamentally
we'll
be
having
Council
employees
knocking
on
people's
doors
and
talking
to
them
and
I
suspect.
Some
of
the
areas
that
you
are
talking
about
are
those
areas
that
we
will
focus
on,
because
I
suspect
some
of
those
residents
and
some
of
their
accommodation.
D
D
Some
of
that
will
will
bring
those
added
benefits,
and-
and
hopefully
we
can
also
have
that
conversation
as
members
to
say
what
role
we
can
play
in
that,
because
I
also
understand
as
I
think
we
all
do,
as
some
of
us
have
been
cancers
for
longer
than
others
where
actually
it
can
be
a
bit
of
a
surprise.
Sometimes
when
you
get
elected
about
well.
Actually,
what
Russell
was
talking
about
the
council
plan
not
covering
everything
that
we
do
when
you
think
about
everything
that
we
do?
D
We've
probably
got
we
were
trying
to
add
it
up:
300
350
service
lines.
If
you
were
a
commercial
organization,
you'd
have
20.
and
and
actually,
if
you're,
an
employee
in
a
commercial
organization,
you'd
probably
focus
on
five.
So
as
a
counselor,
it's
a
really
tough
job.
For
for
us
to
ask
if
each
other
isn't
that
says,
do
you
know
what,
as
a
war
counselor,
you
need
to
understand
everything
we
do?
Who
is
responsible
for
it,
who's
the
portfolio
holder,
who's,
the
chief
officer
that
focuses
on
that?
D
A
E
Regeneration
because
to
Bang
the
Drum
on
this
a
bit
actually
the
partner
element
to
this
I
think
is
critical.
Now
my
recent
experience
of
some
of
our
housing
associations
is
abysmal,
so,
for
example,
London
and
quadrant,
who
I
have
been
at
war
with
for
the
past
week
and
a
half
with
offices
in
London
and
offices
up
in
Manchester,
because
they're
not
based
down
here,
responding
to
our
residents.
E
E
Some
of
the
experiences
are
equal
to
the
experiences
residents
are
having
with
London
and
quadrant
and
with
Clarion
and
I
know
our
own
housing
offices
bang
their
head,
just
as
one
particular
example
of
partnership
working
that
is
so
critical
to
Regeneration
and
our
understanding
of
regeneration,
because
when
that
relationship
with
Sentinel
was
good
was
when
we
got
the
Oak
Ridge
regen
done.
That
was
when
we
were
unable
to
reinvest
our
Capital
receipts
directly
into
that
to
enable
it
to
happen
when
the
partnership
working
was
strong
enough.
E
That
we
were
talking
about
with
Sovereign
about
book
skin,
and
we
were
talking
about
fabric
regeneration,
social
Regeneration.
All
of
the
to
have
that
leadership
role
is
something
I
think
this
Authority
should
do
now,
you're
nodding
and
I'm,
hoping
that
we
are
on
the
same
page.
Yes,
I
would
because
your
predecessors
haven't
been
when
we've
had
this
debate.
So
if
there
is
now
a
coalescence
that
regeneration
can
mean
something
more
than
just
us,
giving
money
to
something.
E
But
there
is
a
bigger
understanding
of
what
regeneration
could
be
for
those
communities
when
I'm
looking
at
the
deprivation
of
indices,
Matt
I'm,
seeing
properly
and
Oakridge
and
Brighton
Hill
and
Brookvale,
and
south
ham
and
Buckskin
I'm,
seeing
the
old
as
it
were,
Estates
that
are
reaching
the
end
of
their
lifespan.
With
somebody
saying
now
on
insulation
on
climate
and
all
of
it,
somebody
somewhere
has
to
take
the
lead.
If
we're
going
to
do
something
so
I
just
see
that
as
being
a
significant
priority
and
I
hope
you
do
too.
D
It's
it's!
Why
it's
it's
a
very
easy
thing
to
say
and
I
won't
say
which
elected
member
they
work
from
this
Authority,
but
elected
member
I
was
banging
on
only
last
week
about
partnership,
working
partnership,
working
partnership
working
and
when
people
say
that
I'm
not
sure
I
always
know
what
they
mean
or
if
they
know
what
they
mean.
D
Well,
they
tell
us
how
wonderful
we
are
that
we
have
truly
open
communication
about
what's
working,
what
isn't
working,
what
could
be
different?
What
can
be
better
and
not
naively,
but
I
am
heartened
by
some
of
the
conversations
that
even
having
a
conversation
about
a
draft
council
plan
has
had
with
some
key
Partners,
including
housing
associations,
to
say
what
could
be
different.
D
So
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
coalesce
around
certain
areas
where
we
can
all
agree.
We
need
to
work
collaboratively.
We
need
to
demonstrate
leadership
and
I'm
heartened
to
your
point.
Councilor
Harvey
that
I
think
all
of
those
Partners
have
seen
us
as
the
leader
of
place.
So
we
can
do
that
convening
and
be
really
clear
about-
let's,
let's
add
some
Focus
to
delivery
from
those
partners.
F
Okay,
I
was
gonna,
say,
I.
Think
personally,
I
think
the
recommend
a
recommendation
coming
from
myself
would
be
that
we
need
to
definitely
make
this.
Make
this
plan
be
a
little
bit
more
robust
in
focusing
on
pulling
out
how
we
do
have
deprivation
reduction.
I
think
is
excellent
on
all
the
green
stuff,
the
climate
Focus,
the
biodiversity
which
I
think
is
fantastic,
but
also
this
and
the
collaboration
that
we
are
talking
about.
This
is
absolutely
critical.
F
It
is
mentioned
it
is
it
is,
it
does
sort
of
run
through
the
veins
of
it,
but
it
needs
to
be
pulled
out
to
make
it
really
strong
and
it's
interesting
I
mean
I.
Think
if
I
took
my
son,
you
know
I'm
just
on
my
own
with
him
and
said
right.
We're
going
to
spend
Sunday
going
around
looking
for
potholes
I
think
I
might
be
given
a
pretty
dirty
look
at
minimum.
So
what
would
be
nice
I
mean
just
to
give
a
sort
of
an
example.
I
was
just
thinking.
This
is
a
typical
thing.
F
You
have
talked
about
it.
A
lot
as
well,
but
I
do
think
that
it's.
What
doesn't
come
out
to
me
strongly
in
this
is
that
well-being,
which
also
ties
in
with
the
deprivation
I,
would
really
like
to
see
a
stronger
emphasis
in
the
plan.
Around
well-being,
initiatives,
Community
working
I,
know
I'm
working
at
the
moment,
trying
to
get
Vivid
plus
and
with
mencap
and
all
sorts
of
things
and
basing
slope
to
try
and
do
some
sort
of
green
area
regeneration
locally,
which
goes
into
Tony
and
his
flower,
flowers
and
stuff.
F
D
D
So
we
can
get
those
kids
out
the
pointing
potholes,
because
actually
there
is
an
I'm,
bizarrely
being
serious,
because
there's
something
isn't
that
says:
there's
something
about
supporting
our
young
people
to
be
really
good,
strong
citizens
of
our
place
and
actually
taking
responsibility.
So
so
our
teams
will
be
able
to
do
it,
but
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
everybody
accepts
their
responsibility
for
their
place.
E
Andrew
sat
in
that
suit,
as
leader
of
accounts
Andrew
City
a
good
year
years
ago,
commenting
about
a
piece
of
kit
that
the
council
was
buying,
that
people
could
walk
around
the
streets
with
that
would
identify
and
do
the
kit.
So
it's
that
point
about
Council
plans
becoming
reality
and
people
taking
them
forward
that
was
20
years
ago.
So
it's
brilliant
that
it's
now
been
delivered,
but
it's
just
a
reflection.
Shall.
A
Q
In
general,
ciao
I've
got
numerous
comments
which
I
would
suggest
I
don't
read
exactly
because
there's
a
lot
of
them,
so
that'll
add
quote,
but
the
two
recommendations,
certainly
I
just
heard-
was
a
greater
focus
on
deprivation
reduction
and
greater
emphasis
on
well-being
as
actual
formal
recommendations.
But
obviously
the
committee
may
wish
to
afford
other
ones.
A
A
B
A
O
Yes,
Joe
we're
delighted
to
thank
you
good
evening,
everyone
and,
as
you
as
you
say,
this
is
these-
are
draft
proposals
for
the
20
23
24
budget
and
the
revised
medium
term
Financial
strategy
through
to
2026
27..
As
you
say,
this
is
out
for
consultation.
Public
consultation
at
the
moment
and
coming
here
this
evening
is
also
part,
an
important
part
of
that
consultation.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
your
views.
O
I
think
the
headlines
are
we're
in
a
strong
financial
position
as
a
council
and
we
have
a
residual
mtfs
budget
gap
which
will
need
to
be
addressed
in
the
years
ahead.
But
it's
a
balanced
budget
for
for
this
coming
year,
but
I'm,
confident
that
that
Gap
will
be
will
be
closed
and
you've
heard
this
evening
about
the
and
you've
discussed
the
new
council
plan
proposals.
The
this
this
budget
and
MTF
s
are
very
much
informed
by
those
proposed
Council
priorities.
O
We
have
a
a
stable,
sustainable
fiscal
position,
which
I
think
is
well
placed
to
meet
many
of
the
risks
that
beset
us
generally
as
a
country
at
this
time,
not
least
much
higher
inflation,
and
if
in
the
and
the
serious
impacts
that
that
has
on
our
residents,
ability
to
meet
these
high
costs
and
therefore
the
even
more
important
role
that
we
have
as
a
council
to
provide
good
services
meeting
our
responsibilities
and
obviously
there
is
the
threat
of
unemployment
around
the
corner.
I
hope
they
won't.
They
won't
that
won't
be.
O
Freezing
of
car
parking
charges,
which
I
think
will
help
not
only
shoppers
but
also
businesses,
attract
people
into
basing
State,
I
hope
and
freezing
of
the
charges
on
the
popular
garden.
Waste
Service
and
the
general
point
to
make
is
that
we
are
proposing
a
below
inflation
average
increase
of
three
percent
on
fees
and
charges
and
for
the
second
year
running
we're
looking
to
invest
in
our
key
services,
as
you've
heard
earlier.
O
O
O
O
One
of
the
benefits
of
increased
interest
rates
and
I
realize
there's
not.
This
benefits
material
disbenefits,
but
but
one
of
the
benefits
is,
is
that
our
income
from
our
treasury
management
is
projected
to
rise
quite
significantly
as
a
result
of
the
base
rate
Rising
very
rapidly
from
0.75
to
3.
Currently
so
that
that's
really
sort
of
is
a
whiz
through
a
a
a
a
document.
O
O
It's
very
interesting
to
hear
some
of
the
the
the
the
reflections
of
the
peer
group
that
visited
us
recently
and
have
drawn
from
councilors
and
officers
across
the
country
and
the
extent
to
which
they
was
very,
very
envious.
With
about
the
strong
financial
position,
we
we
are
in
as
a
council
and
I
think
it's
important
as
a
council.
We,
we
don't
lose
the
sight
of
the
of
the
need
to
maintain
that
position
and
be
very
careful
where
we
make
commitments
in
terms
of
expenditure.
A
L
L
I,
see
that
we
do
have
money
set
aside
for
one
of
the
festivals,
I
think
it's
the
Kite
Festival,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
other
ones.
There's
the
Festival
of
sports
and
the
transport
festival
and
the
various
other
festivals
that
we've
supported
in
the
past
and
I
know.
Certainly
we
supported
them
last
year
and
will
we
be
supporting
all
those
festivals
again
this
year
right
now,.
P
So,
just
to
clarify
one
of
the
budget
proposals
put
forward
in
February
this
year
was
obviously
to
reduce
the
funding
for
some
of
those
other
festivals
that
was
postponed
for
a
year,
whilst
officers
could
work
with
those
providers
to
try
and
find
other
ways
of
actually
funding
those
services.
So
that's
a
piece
of
work,
that's
underway,
so
that
proposal
should
come
into
effect
next
financial
year,
so
that
would
be
a
reduction
in
the
in
the
financial
support
to
those
organizations.
C
F
You
chair,
I,
think
with
the
grounds
maintenance
and
the
planning
and
development
they're
they're
temporary
to
permanent
position,
so
they're
not
technically
an
increase.
Is
that
so
that's
that's
good
because
it
means
obviously
it
means
we've
got
that
regular
work,
but
is
that
enough
for
what
we
need
to
get
done
around
the
place?
That's
one
thing,
and
also
the
environmental
health
I
think
we've
got
two
extra
people.
Will
that
help
with
things
around
sort
of
ASB
issues
and
things
like
that
or
is
it
more
sort
of
internals?
O
Foreign
well
I,
think
I
think
it's
it's
fundamental
that
that
we
have
decided
that
having
taken
emergency
measures
and
recruited
six
ground
staff
to
overcome
problems
of
last
year,
that
we've
actually
decided
that
actually
that
that
that
that
we
need
to
maintain
that
level
of
service,
so
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
fundamental
shift
in
in
the
whole
approach
to
to
resourcing
on
that
so
I
I,
so
I
I,
think
I.
Think
it's
a
very
positive
move
on
our
side
against
Sue
on
the
environmental
health.
P
L
P
A
O
Yeah,
we
can
look
at
it,
but
I
I
think
that
what
people
pay
pays
for
the
for
the
annual
service
and
and
what
we're
doing
here
is
holding
down
the
cost
of
that
service
for
freezing
that
cost
down
for
this
year.
So
I
think
that
it's
that's!
How
that's
that?
That's
how
it
could
that's,
how
it
can
work.
A
O
But
I
think
the
point
is
cancer,
change
that
it's
popular
service,
there's,
there's
good
demand
for
it,
and
so
I
I
think
that
we
are.
We've
had
problems
with
it
in
terms
of
being
able
to
deliver
the
service
over
the
last
12
months
and
therefore
I
think
we're
taking
the
right
step
at
this
point
in
in
actually
holding
the
cost
of
it
down.
A
E
E
Another
Fallout
from
the
bin
collection
bit
was
the
policy
of
people
having
to
pay
for
black
bins
when
they
need
replacement,
and
one
of
the
interesting
aspects
that
we
found
this
year
in
casework
has
been
the
insurance
requiring
because
of
course,
we
now
say
it's
your
bin
you've
bought
it.
It's
your
responsibility.
Your
insurance
covers
it.
The
ability
of
insurance
to
actually
cover
it
on
the
basis
of
proving
what
has
happened
to
it
now
because
of
the
cruise.
E
E
That's
fine,
but
you've
got
every
right
as
the
administration
to
bring
it
in
I,
get
that
this
year
is
quite
exceptional
because
of
the
circle
issues
that
people
have
had
and
they
haven't
gone
away,
so,
whether
it's
waste
team
that
need
to
pick
it
up
to
look
at
it
in
relation
to
the
application
of
the
criteria
because
of
the
circumstances
or
whether
the
policy
needs
to
change
or
whether
we
look
at
the
finance
of
the
budget,
part
of
it
just
that
area,
perhaps
is
worth
looking
at
because
of
the
casework
response.
We've
had.
E
As
in
the
bins
not
being
brought
back
to
where
they
were
bids,
going
missing
as
following
collections,
lots
of
issues
to
do
with
Circo,
damaging
bins
and
residents
being
unable
to
replace
the
bid
on
it
or
deal
with
it
on
Assurance.
If
they've
had
to
go
down
that
route
or
the
issue
that
because
of
our
criteria,
they
can't
get
a
bin
for
free
or
they
can't
get
a
replacement
bin.
They've
got
to
pay
for
it
and
being
in
the
circumstance
they
can't
afford
to
pay
for
the
bin
in
the
first
place.
O
Yeah
well,
while
I'm
just
on
that
subject,
though,
that
we
have
we
have.
We
are
aware
of
the
sort
of
impact
of
that
change,
which,
which
will
which
will
be
a
beneficial
change,
I'm
sure.
But
there
will
be
certain
residents
who,
who
might
find
that
quite
difficult,
and
initially
at
least
or
maybe
at
all
times,
to
move
from
from
plastic
bags
to
door
to
bags
to
bins,
and
we
will
have
to
we'd
have
to
make
provision
for
those
residents
and
that
that's
something
that
we
discussed
and
understand
needs
to
be
taken
into
account.
A
But
when
we
came
to
the
black
bins
years
ago,
we
had
those
Provisions
in
place
and
they
have
disappeared.
Although
I
know
we're
talking
history
here,
but
it
does
annoy
me
when
we
left
these
things
in
place,
we
suddenly
change.
Oh
that's
that'd
be
fine
in
two
years
time:
there's
a
reason
to
get
rid
of
them.
I'll
give
you
an
example:
it's
not
my
world
anymore,
but
we'll
give
you
an
example.
A
In
pentland
classes
of
houses
at
the
top
Circa
refuses
to
pick
him
up
where
they've
been
picking
them
up
for
years,
because
it's
dangerous
blah
blah
blah,
but
it's
all
right
for
the
residents
to
wheel
them
down
and
that's
the
concern.
I
have
I
I,
don't
think.
Perhaps
the
budget
is
the
right
place
to
raise
it,
but
I
will
raise
it
if,
if
you
see
where
I'm
coming
from
I
think
the
idea
you've
got
safeguards
in
there
is
good,
but
we
should
be
looking
at
safeguards
for
everybody
for
all
these
bins.
If
you
know.
F
C
Thanks
yeah,
just
still
on
Garden
waste,
just
really
to
ask
the
question:
you
know:
we've
got
we're
going
to
start,
insisting
that
everybody
has
the
bins,
and
we
say
here.
This
is
expected
to
generate
additional
income
of
0.30
million
now
and
a
recent
meeting
when
we
talked
about
Recycling
and
there
was
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
how
we
were
reliant
on
increasing
the
use
of
this
service
in
order
to
increase
our
recycling
rates,
and
it
seemed
to
be
that
this
was
going
to
play
an
important
role.
C
Is
it
therefore
right
that
we're
looking
to
make
that
income?
Would
it
not
be
better
to
consider
reducing
that
a
little
bit
and
making
the
service
more
accessible
by
reducing
the
cost
of
those
bins,
so
that
we've
got
more
chance
of
increasing
those
recycling
rates?
Obviously
it's
part
of
our
climate
commitment.
N
L
E
E
Obviously,
that
enables
us
to
make
those
policy
choices
that
we
would
want
welcome
to
staff
increases.
That's
really
good.
Also
welcome
the
option
in
here
to
read
the
budget
provision
for
a
review
of
waste
so
that
budget
permission
to
review
the
Waste
Services
that's
going
forward
is
also
really
good
and
welcome
and
that's
important.
The
one
thing
I
did
draw.
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My
attention
was
on
page
154
and
again
it
comes
down
to
the
investment
choices
and
it
comes
down
to
just
the
I'm
not
going
to
use
the
word
threat
because
that's
inappropriate
I
think
the
word
risk
is
is
well
chosen,
but
the
potential
changes
that
impact
the
budget
of
that
one
percent.
When
you
look
down
the
list,
it
is
significant
and
I
think
you
know
as
members.
It's
just
worth
noting
the
points
about
employees.
E
I
do
know
the
point
about
interest
rates
and
how
that
affects
us
potentially
positively
in
the
sense
of
what
this
Authority
would
then
have
as
income
spend
on
Services
the
sadnesses
of
the
way.
It's
basically
screwing
our
residents
left
right
and
sensor
in
terms
of
mortgages
and
rents,
and
the
God
knows
what
else,
but
this
Authority
benefits,
but
that
list
is
quite
important.
I
think
the
rental,
income
and
I
did
also
know.
O
I
think
the
the
the
the
the
guiding
theme,
though
for
us
as
a
council
is,
is
that
is
that
we
live
within
our
means
and
we
do
not
borrow
and
and
and
and
we
do
not
get.
Therefore,
we
don't
do
have
not
got
ourselves
into
some
of
the
difficulties
that
other
councils
have
got
themselves
into
and
so
long
may
that
continue,
foreign.
A
G
I,
don't
have
a
recommendation
chair,
but
I
just
got
a
general
comment:
if
that's
okay,
yeah
so
I
just
like
to
thank
the
officers
and
councilor
Isaac
for
this
budget,
I
think
now
we
are
in
tough
times
and
I
think
that's
been
very
thoughtful
to
all
the
residents
and
I
think
you
know.
I
certainly
welcome
the
council
tax.
Well,
our
section
of
it.
The
freeze
of
it
and
I'll
say
the
freeze
and
parking
charges
and
I
just
won't
say
his
account.
G
So
I
am
proud
of
this
council's
financial
position
and
the
services
that
we
offer,
because
because
of
our,
you
know
achievement
with
our
finances,
because
you
could
say
we
you
know
we're
in
a
position
where
we
can
offer
residents
a
lot
of
extra
services
and
a
lot
of
benefits
and
reach
out
to
those
who
need
it.
Unlike
other
councils,
so
I'd
just
like
to
say
thank
you.
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A
A
A
G
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A
A
F
F
We
have
corresponded
about
whether
or
not
we
could
get
the
stagecoach
in
sooner
rather
than
later,
because
residents
and
businesses
are
being
severely
impacted
with
canceled
buses
and
their
driver
shortage,
and
we
really
would
like
to
the
same
way
we
heard
from
Circo
I
think
to
get
an
idea
about
what
their
plans
are
and
their
strategy
is
to
try
and
resolve
some
of
the
issues
they've
got.
So
that
might
be
something
if
we
could
get
them
in,
even
as
early
as
January.
That
would
be
fantastic.
Obviously,
that's
going
to
be
down
to
them.
A
I
will
say,
prove
me
if
I'm
wrong,
when
we
had
Circle
in
I,
think
there
has
been
a
difference
in
their
attitude
to
the
service,
so
it
has
made
a
difference.
I
thought
we've
done
quite
well
on
that
and
the
there
we
go
and
the
digital
I.T
that'll
be
moved
to
January
to
March
I'm.
Sorry,
thank
you
for
that
people
march
and
that's
it
so
and
then
at
the
next
at
the
next
meeting,
which
will
be
in
January
it'll
be
quite
a
hefty
one,
but
hopefully
we
can
get
through
it.
E
A
Well,
hopefully,
the
microphones
or
my
hearing,
my
Improvement,
but
the
only
thing
I
would
say
and
I
I
I
will
speak
to
other
chairs
I'd
like
to
see
the
layout
slightly
different
personally,
but
but
that's
that's
the
side,
you
know
what
I'll
do
is.
Thank
you
very
much
for
tonight
been
a
bit
all
over
the
place.
I
do
apologize,
but
it
was
a
big
agenda
and
I
think.
Was
it
ten
past
nine
nearly
I
think
we've
done
well.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I
want
to
thank
the
officers.