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A
A
B
Amendment
in
relation
to
the
potential
future
Aquadome
facility
mix,
I
felt
one
of
the
strong
comments
that
came
through
was
the
feeling
that
the
proposals
for
the
aqua
drone
weren't
ambitious
enough
and
that's
not
really
reflected
in
in
talks
about
future
proofing
of
the
Leisure
Park
overall,
was
very
important,
but
I
think
could
be
added
there.
There
was
a
concern
that
the
proposals
for
the
Aquadome
weren't
ambitious
enough.
There
was
some
discussion
about
the
size
of
the
pool,
etc,
etc.
B
C
A
D
Thank
you
chair,
so
yeah,
just
a
brief
introduction.
For
me,
this
report
represents
the
second
full
annual
update
on
the
climate
change
and
air
quality
strategy
that
was
adopted
18
months
ago.
The
strategy
sets
out
our
approach
to
tackling
the
climate
emergency,
which
was
declared
back
in
2019
and
hasn't
it
our
ambition,
ambitious
objectives
to
become
carbon
neutral
as
a
council
by
2025
and
working
towards
a
net
zero
Borough
overall
by
2030.
D
So
the
purpose
of
this
evening
in
the
paper
is
to
set
out
how
we
are
progressing
against
both
those
targets.
You'll
see
in
the
paper.
It
goes
on
to
outline
some
of
the
key
achievements
that
we've
had
this
year.
Current
areas
are
focused
with
work
underway
and
what
future
work
we're
looking
and
areas
are
highlighted
in
there
and
there's
also
the
action
plan
within
the
report
as
well.
So
it's
just
making
clear
that
continuing
to
reduce
Council
operational
admissions
is
a
priority
for
this
Council
and
achieving
carbon
neutrality
by
2025
is
well
within
reach.
D
This
ensures
that,
as
well
as
continuing
to
invest
in
action
to
reduce
our
emissions,
we
are
taking
proactive
ownership
of
these
historic
emissions
and
ensuring
they
observe
sorry
absorbed
by
the
natural
environment.
I
did
make
absolutely
clear
at
the
cabinet
meeting
when
the
offset
and
paper
was
taken,
that
I
personally
and
I
know
the
cabinet
and
counselors
and
the
officers
we
don't
see
offsetting
as
the
answer.
We
really
don't
see
it
as
a
cop-out.
D
In
fact,
we
we
can
do
so
much,
but
it's
actually
action
by
lots
of
key
organizations,
not
just
the
council
to
include
the
County
Council
or
national
government,
but
also
we
need
to
be
able
to
enable
and
Inspire
our
residents
to
do
things
local
businesses,
because
if
everybody
did
something
even
if
it's
just
a
little
bit,
it
does
literally
all
help.
So
it's
it's
bearing
all
that
in
mind,
as
well
so
I'll
hand
over
to
Marco
officer,
and
so
he
can
just
go
through
the
paper
in
a
bit
more
detail.
C
Great
thanks,
Council
HS
yeah,
just
to
add
a
little
bit
of
further
detail
to
what
cancer
which
is
as
outlined.
We
are
making
good
progress
in
in
reducing
our
operational
emissions
table.
One
in
the
reports
highlights
the
emissions
back
in
2018,
19
and
neon
year,
since
we
declared
the
emergency
so
at
the
time
that
the
emergency
was
declared
back
in
2018-19,
our
missions
totaled
around
2
200
tons,
and
since
that
time,
we've
we've
reduced
it
to
around
730.
So,
as
capital
leaders
have
said,
we've
reduced
it
by
around
two-thirds.
C
C
Council
H
has
mentioned
that
the
the
borough
council's
emissions
only
account
for
a
small
proportion
of
those
in
the
in
the
wider
Borough,
and
that
really
reinforces
the
the
need
to
to
work
with
our
partners
and
to
enable
residents
to
make
a
change
and
some
of
the
measures
I'll
touch
on.
In
a
moment
outline
how
we,
how
we
seek
to
do
that
in
terms
of
achievements.
C
C
As
per
the
the
draft
cabinet
papers
and
the
budget
proposals.
We
are
proposing,
subject
to
endorsement
of
the
budget
next
year,
to
establish
a
new
Green
Team
to
provide
in-person
and
remote
support
for
residents
and
business.
We
need
to
focus
on
the
energy
use,
saving
money
linking
into
transport
and
travel
and
also
wasting
recycling.
So
we
see
this
team
as
being
really
Hands-On
in
supporting
residents.
C
We're
also
looking
to
develop
an
EV
electric
vehicle
car
club
in
the
town
for
residents
who
don't
own
a
car
or
don't
wish
to
own
a
car,
so
they
can
perhaps
hire
a
car
by
the
hour
or
for
for
slightly
longer
periods
of
time,
they're
quite
commonplace
in
more
urban
areas
and
I.
Think
there's
there's
an
appetite
for
these
locally
again.
This
is
subject
to
budget
approval
and
we're
continuing
to
look
at
Energy
Efficiency
opportunities
locally
as
well,
and
securing
funding
for
from
elsewhere.
C
Just
a
couple
of
further
points
to
highlight
appendix
2
sets
out
much
more
detail
in
terms
of
the
actions
there's
an
actual
plan
and
that
sets
out
where
we
progressed
actions.
What
what
actions
have
been
added
more
recently
and
then
in
Independence
3
to
the
paper
we've
set
out
a
summary
of
two
motions
that
were
presented
to
council
last
year.
C
We
brought
those
two
issues
together
in
a
recent
members
advisory
panel
that
met
at
the
end
of
October
and
had
put
received
presentations
from
Vivid
and
Sovereign,
as
well
as
somebody
from
zero
energy
who
was
involved
in
those
Park
hearing
schemes,
so
you'll
see
in
appendix
3
there's
just
a
summary
of
the
points
made
and
the
next
steps.
Moving
on
from
those
motions,
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
chair.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
Mr
Lambert,
we'll
move
to
the
public
speakers.
First
then
we'll
come
back
and
we'll
take
some
questions.
So
I
I'd
like
to
ask
Mr
Sheila
peacock
to
come
up.
First,
you
have
two
minutes,
my
fantastic
colleague
at
the
end
there
will
be
clock
watching
and
we'll
give
you
a
what
heads
up.
E
E
So
I'm
wanting
to
ask
what
the
council
is
doing.
First
of
all,
to
encourage
the
growth
of
wetlands
and
areas
of
healthy
soil
to
offset
this
effect,
and
particularly
to
replace
the
soil,
that's
going
to
be
lost
to
the
development
of
many
down
and,
secondly,
to
account
for
the
drought
effect
in
any
plan
to
give
offset
to
get
offset
credits
from
other
areas
of
the
UK,
so
you
might
buy.
Credits
are
actually
worthless
because
the
ground
that
they're
based
on
has
dried
out.
E
A
C
Yeah,
just
just
picking
up
the
point
to
other
natural
environment,
I
suppose
we're
not
so
much
reliant
on
wetlands
in
basil,
Stoke
Indiana.
Some
other
areas
are
in
terms
of
carbon
sequestration,
so
I
think
we
we're
very
much
focused
on
on
the
area
that
we
manage
and
much
of
that
is
green
space
rather
than
kind
of
wetland
environment.
So
I
don't
believe.
That's
a
particular
concern.
C
Although
a
note
that
we
have
had
periods
throughout
this
this
year
and
then
I
suppose
picking
up
the
net
the
issue
around
building
on
Countryside
areas,
we
have
been
securing
net
by
diversity
gain
in
areas
where
houses
have
been
built
in
the
in
you
know
the
past
couple
of
years,
or
so
so
I
don't
believe.
That's
too
much
of
an
issue
to
be
concerned
about,
because
that's
an
active
policy
that
we
we
apply
and
we'll
be
exploring
further
through
the
local
plan
updates.
G
G
Arrangements
for
staff
so
yeah
very,
very
much
like
a
lot
of
employers.
You
know
the
borough
councils
adopted
the
sort
of
hybrid
working
arrangements
for
staff
whereby
they
spend
roughly
three
days
a
week
in
the
office
and
two
days
working
from
home
on
average,
not
in
all
roles,
but
that's
the
general
sort
of
pattern
you
know
clearly
part
of
that
is
making
sure
that
staff
have
the
right
set
up
at
home.
So
you
know
we
have.
G
We
do
carry
out
assessments
and
the
staff
who
have
had
to
get
their
own
assessment
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
necessary
sort
of
workspace
and
environment
at
home
to
work
from
home
smoothly
and
efficiently
and
I've
got
to
say.
The
feedback
we've
had
from
staff
has
been
really
really
positive,
both
in
terms
of
the
way
the
office
is
now
set
out
to
you
know
to
facilitate
hot
desking,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
the
balance
in
terms
of
the
home
versus
office.
G
In
a
working
week.
If
you
like
again,
there's
been
lots
of
Praise
from
staff
that
have
really
embraced
that
that
way
of
working
and
clearly
it
has
a
beneficial
impact
in
terms
of
reducing
emissions
in
terms
of
Staff
traveling
in
every
day,
so
yeah.
It
is
something
we're
monitoring.
It's
not
that
we're
forcing
staff
to
work
from
home
against
their
will.
You
know
we
clearly
have
adopted
it
in
a
very
sensible
approach
and
make
sure
that
we
are
looking
after
our
staff.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Tom
yeah
I,
just
want
to
to
thank
you
for,
for
that.
I
think
it's
it's
very
easy
for
for
residents,
perhaps
to
see
the
counselors
as
the
front
face
of
the
council,
but
it's
actually
the
the
officers
who
are
the
the
engine
room
of
how
this
Council
operates
and,
quite
frankly,
Who
services
are
provided
to
our
residents,
so
absolutely
you're
at
the
Forefront
of
our
thoughts,
and-
and
thank
you
for
that
comment
next
speaker,
then,
is
Miranda
chop.
H
H
Basingstoke,
as
you
know,
we
generate
a
million
tons
of
CO2
equivalent
per
year
and
the
largest
sources
of
greenhouse
gases
in
our
housing,
our
transport
and
the
goods
and
services
we
buy.
We
still
rely
on
gas
and
oil
to
heat
our
homes,
our
public
transport
still
Burns
fossil
fuels
and
our
grid
electricity
is
also
still
mostly
generated
by
fossil
fuels.
H
So
we
do
have
a
long
way
to
go
to
get
to
Net
Zero
and
to
do
this
by
2030
in
Basingstoke
requires
a
reduction
of
an
emissions
of
around
160
000
tons
of
each
year
for
the
next
eight
years.
The
strategy
update
does
not
currently
include
clear,
comprehensive
and
accurate
data
on
borrow
wide
progress
to
date,
and
there
is
no
clear
trajectory
on
how
this
strategy
will
deliver
the
required
reductions
to
get
to
near
Net
Zero
by
2030..
H
As
you
know,
renewable
energy
is
needed
to
power
local
demand
and
it's
also
a
good
source
of
financial
return,
wind
and
solar
being
the
cheapest
sources
of
power
in
the
UK.
It's
an
aim
in
the
basing
Stoke
Horizon
2050
vision
for
the
borough
to
generate
the
energy
it
uses.
However,
this
strategy
doesn't
appear
to
have
a
plan
for
delivering
the
required
renewable
energy
generation
and
the
local
improved
electric
grid
infrastructure
that
it
will
need.
There
also
doesn't
appear
to
be
a
plan
to
decarbonize
the
chinum
incinerator.
H
H
H
I'm,
sorry
thanks:
we
continue
to
lose
Green
Space
to
housing
and
Commercial
developments.
Rather
than
securing
nature
recovery
networks
and
improving
and
increasing
Green
Space
is
to
maximize
biodiversity.
It
doesn't
include
a
plan
to
reverse
a
decline
in
species
abundance,
clear
Pathways,
delivering
these
key
elements
need
to
be
included
within
the
strategy.
Most
importantly,
it
also
needs
to
demonstrate
that
it
will
deliver
the
DraStic
reduction
in
carbon
emissions
that
were
needed
to
get
it
to
Net
Zero.
H
H
H
D
Thank
you
for
that.
Miranda
really
helpful
just
going
through
your
list
and
I
won't
pick
up
everything
but
I.
All
those
things
that
you
have
listed
I
can
assure
you
are
things
that
we
are
dealing
with,
that
we
have
policies
for
and
if
it
doesn't
come
across
clearly
enough
in
the
strategy,
then
you
know.
A
J
Thanks
yeah:
well,
this
is
a
good
plan.
It's
a
plan
that
would
deliver
hundreds,
maybe
thousands
of
tons
of
carbon
savings.
We
see
an
example
of
the
lad
scheme:
40
ton,
saving,
hydrogated
vegetable
oil,
10
ton,
saving
tool,
kits.
Maybe
another
100
tons,
the
council
itself,
so
saving
1400
tons
over
four
years,
all
very
Audible.
But
this
is
not
a
strategy.
J
It's
not
a
strategy
that
would
deliver
carbon
Zero
by
2030.
and
just
to
remind
ourselves
that
would
require
a
cut
of
one
million
tons,
not
a
thousand
tons,
not
ten
thousand
tons,
but
a
million
tons.
What
we
have
before
is
today
really
is
it's
a
plan.
You
know
it's
a
series
of
tactical
interventions:
it's
an
unconnected
series
of
small
scale
actions
that
will
reduce
our
emissions
by
a
few
thousand
tons
and
even
that
over
quite
a
few
number
of
years
and
again
to
put
that
into
con
into
context.
J
We
need
to
cut
a
million
tons
and
those
sort
of
mathematically
minded
people
would
realize
that
a
thousand
tons
is
just
one
thousandth
of
a
million
tons,
so
we're
only
getting
to
about
a
thousandth
of
what
we
really
need
to
do
and
I
think
to
sort
of
misquote
that
famous
quote
in
Jaws
we're
going
to
need
a
bigger
boat.
This
one
is
not
big
enough.
J
We
need
overarching
strategy
that
cuts
across
all
what
the
council
does
where
in
the
current
plans.
Does
it
talk
about
stopping
building
inefficient
homes
and
offices?
Where
does
it
talk
about
retrofitting?
The
hundreds
of
the
80
000
homes
already
have
half
a
minute
where's
the
investment
in
Walking
rewilding,
stopping
spurious
claims
about
offsetting.
It
doesn't
work.
J
Where
does
it
say,
we're
going
to
invest
in
public
transport
and
there's
no
strategic
thinking
really
going
on
now
on
one
hand,
we're
building
17,
000
new
homes,
we're
building
a
battery
on
on
Beijing
Fen,
one
of
the
most
biggest
carbon
sinks
in
the
hotel.
We've
got
a
planning
committee
that
will
build
new
houses
on
golf
courses.
I
J
A
C
You,
chair
I,
think
it's
probably
worth
saying
from
the
outset
that
that
our
Target
is
to
be
next
to
it
by
2030,
and
we
recognize
that
there
are
other
also
authorities
such
as
Hampshire
and
the
government's
own
targets
of
2050,
so
we're
working
in
a
context
where
we're
being
much
more
ambitious
than
others,
but
we
have
to
recognize
that
our
influence
in
that
sense
is,
is
relatively
limited.
That's
why
the
plans
is
focused
on
enabling
and
inspiring
residents
to
to
take
action
themselves.
C
We
do
recognize
that
we
have
a
number
of
other
strategies
that
sit
underneath
the
climate
change
work.
We've
got
an
emerging
local
Plan
update
that
will
be
published
next
year
that
will
set
the
scene
for
new
development
and
the
standards
to
be
achieved.
That's
based
upon
detailed
evidence
base
that
seeks
to
to
achieve
the
the
Targets
in
the
climate
declaration
emergency
declaration.
We've
got
a
transport
strategy,
that's
been
adopted
with
Hampshire
County
Council
that
sets
the
scene
for
more
detailed
work,
around
improvements
to
public
transport,
walking
and
cycling.
C
So
I
can
offer
some
assurance
that
there
are
strategies
in
place
to
work
towards
this
target,
but
as
I
say
we
are
in
it,
we
are
inevitably
influenced
by
what
the
government
priorities
are
and
what
their
their
investment
plans
are.
So
I
think
we
have
to
kind
of
consider
our
our
targeted
within
that
context.
A
K
You
thank
you
very
much,
so
I've
just
got
some
probably
key
questions
that
relate
to
Nature,
which
is
an
area
I'm,
very
passionate
about.
So
in
terms
of
the
borough.
This
is
very
specific
maintenance.
Why
are
the
teams
who
do
the
maintenance
not
trained
in
making
sure
that
they're
enhancing,
developing
and
creating
areas
of
biodiversity
in
the
borough?
It
seems
to
be
very,
very
slow,
and
yet
that
could
be
a
really
quick
win?
K
K
Why
are
we
waiting
for
central
government
to
provide
legislation
in
terms
of
what
should
be
done
around
biodiversity
in
the
borough?
We
need
to
actually
be
leading
the
way
and
pushing
ahead
and
doing
more.
Why
do
why?
Do
we
not
have
some
form
of
impact
officer
within
the
borough,
so
that
decisions
are
not
just
done
based
on
financials?
They
are
actually
done
based
on
impact,
and
why
are
we
not
making
more
of
the
Ranger?
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Rowan
I've
tried
to
take
more
of
all
those
questions
if
I'll
pass
over
to
games,
literatures
and
Mark
to
answer
them,
if
you
don't
feel
any
of
them
have
been
answered
if
you've
missed
any
of
them
by
all
means,
please
do
feel
free
to
email
them
and
I
can
pass
them
on
and
make
sure
they
get
answered.
D
Thank
you,
chair
again,
I
think
it's
we
it's
the
climate
emergency
declaration
and
this
strategy
is
just
the
top
document
we
have
as
a
council,
so
many
other
strategies
Etc
like
the
local
plan
and
everything
I
was
saying
to
Miranda
that
we've
got
other
things
going
on
this.
Isn't
we
can't
give
everything
here?
This
is
just
saying
that
we're
doing
all
this
work
with
biodiversity,
we've
got
a
whole
biodiversity
team.
D
We've
got
a
plan
to
have
a
business
in
every
Ward
and
in
fact
we
have
lots
of
biodiversity
and
many
Wards
we've
been
working
to
with
officers
looking
at
that
and
what
we
do
and
we've
got
the
green
infrastructure
strategy.
We've
got
the
ecological
emergency,
which
deals
and
there's
a
paper
on
that
that
deals
with
everything,
and
it's
also,
we
absolutely
don't
just
make
decisions
on
the
financials
when
it
comes
to
biodiversity.
D
That's
absolutely
not
the
case
and
officers
take
into
account
the
the
impact
of
green
Etc
and
the
ranger
team
are
working
extremely
hard,
especially
with
all
the
volunteer
groups,
and
have
lots
of
different
areas
of
open
space
where
there's
management
plans
on
where
they
work
themselves.
With
our
operations
team,
but
also
with
volunteer
groups,
so
all
that
work
is
ongoing
and
there
is
all
those
strategies
in
place
and
we
have
a
whole.
D
G
Process
and
all
the
reports
that
now
come
through
for,
for
you
know
for
cabinet
members
to
make
decisions
on
or
or
cabinet,
you
know
they
take
into
account
the
climate
and
the
ecological
implications.
So
a
key
part
of
those
decisions
decision
making
process
has
got
to
reflect
on
what
the
actual
implications
are
and
how
that
can
be,
how
that
would
be
mitigated
so
just
just
align
to
that
again.
I
sort
of
look
after
the
Rangers
team,
indirectly
and
again
as
as
accounts
reaches,
has
already
mentioned.
G
G
A
M
Yeah
I
could
I
could
pick
that
up
and
I
guess.
The
decision
has
been
very
recent,
so
so
the
kind
of
schemes
we're
looking
at
are
we'll
still
investigate
a
number.
Yes,
the
simple
answer
they
are
UK
based
is
the
priority
in
terms
of
the
standards
that
exist,
the
kind
of
verify
standards,
the
predominant
one
in
the
in
the
UK
is
called
the
Woodland
carbon
code.
M
Okay,
every
five
to
ten
years
people
go
verify
and
make
sure
the
Woodland
is
as
expected,
its
growth
has
been
as
expected.
So
so,
if
it
was
affected
by
something
like
drought,
less
credits
would
be
available
is
the
way
it
works.
So
so
any
offset
thing
is
done
with
a
kind
of
verified,
proven
carbon
sequestration,
carbon
absorption
that
was
graphite.
I
N
M
M
I
guess
we
haven't
historically
recorded
and
therefore
haven't
also
recorded.
The
production
in
is
the
commuting
emissions.
So
again,
there'll
be
as
part
of
the
travel
plan.
We
now
have
a
bit
more
data
that
we
could
could
again
kind
of
compare
the
increase
in
working
from
home
emissions
compared
to
that
reduction
in
in
commuting
emissions.
M
B
You
councilor
Williams,
okay,
could
I
go
back
to
offsetting,
welcome
councilor,
regis's
statement
about
offsetting
and
in
relation
to
the
2025
position
shouldn't
we
ensure
in
the
documentation,
if
it's
not
covered
already,
that
that
is
the
clear
approach
to
offsetting
that
the
council
is
adopting.
So
we
have
a
clear
statement
in
there
that
this
is
a
temporary
coverage.
It's
not
the
permanent
solution.
That's
the
approach
that
we're
going
to
adopt.
O
Thank
you,
chair.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
all
our
speakers.
I
think
I
want
to
take
them
home
with
me
this
evening,
and
I've
got
a
couple
of
follow-ups
from
from
what
they've
been
asking,
which
is
Pete
land
and
Fenn
and
Bob.
We
do
have
those
in
our
Borough.
We
have
amazing
friend,
we
have
blacklands
calcareous
people.
O
O
The
map
Miss
Chubb,
mentioned
the
map
to
achieve
Net,
Zero
and
I.
Think
I
do
feel
for
me,
and
it's
probably
just
me
that,
although
you've
put
in
your
chart
at
the
back,
the
reduction
in
carbon
that
you
think
will
come
from
these
things,
I'd
like
to
see
that
as
a
as
a
map
of
a
Target
like
I,
want
to
see
the
plan
in
view
of
here
we
are,
this
is
what
we've
done,
and
this
is
how
we're
getting
to
Net,
Zero
and
I.
O
Get
that
there
will
be
different
things
in
your
project
plan,
but
actually
at
the
minute
I've.
It's
not
easy
for
me
to
see
actually
how
we're
achieving
that
I
was
also
concerned.
That
Martin
was
mentioning
very
different
figures
to
the
ones
I
was
reading
here
unless
I've
misunderstood
something
and
I,
don't
know
whether
he
was
talking
about
the
emissions
from
absolutely
everywhere
and
everything
or
or
what
but
I
I
had.
O
The
impression
I
was
I
was
talking
about
two
different
worlds
and
I
would
like
to
just
understand
why
his
Figures
were
seemingly
so
different
to
the
ones
that
we're
looking
at
and
then
Ms
Harding's
comments
about
the
biodiversity
areas
and
stuff
I
I
completely
agree.
I
I
think
we've
got
some
really
quick
wins
in
the
way
that
we
manage
our
environment
and
even
just
Council
and
land.
That
I
was
looking
at
the
map
today.
O
O
Alongside
many
other
negative
impacts,
the
destruction
and
degradation
of
natural
habitats
has
resulted
in
a
direct
loss
of
carbon
stored
within
them.
Restoring
natural
systems
can
start
to
reverse
this
damage
at
the
same
time
as
supporting
and
enhancing
biodiversity
alongside
delivering
co-benefits
for
climate
change,
adaptation,
soil,
Health,
water
management
and
Society.
O
This
Natural
England
research
report
is
designed
to
clearly
set
out
the
evidence
of
how
restoration
and
good
management
of
habitats
can
contribute
to
climate
change
mitigation,
and
it's
my
feeling.
I
am
a
fresher
I'm.
A
novice
I
do
not
know
all
the
papers
and
everything
going
on
within
this
Borough,
but
I
really
feel
it's
disjointed
still.
I
accept.
O
This
paper
also
says
we
have
to
be
realistic,
I
think
it
was
councilman
McCormick
in
another
meeting
that
mentioned,
you
know,
we'd
have
to
plant
millions
of
trees
to
affect
me
putting
the
kettle
on
in
the
morning,
and
it
is
that
you
know
we
have
to
be
realistic.
It's
not
possible
to
offset
anything
close
to
current
UK
emissions
across
the
different
sectors
through
better
environment,
Environmental,
Management
alone.
You
know
the
difference
is
huge,
but
it's
a
quick
win,
it's
an
easy
win
and
it's
something.
O
Frankly,
we
can
all
do
whether
it's
planting
that
Hedgerow
instead
of
your
fence
or
whatever
it
is.
There,
are
lots
of
things
we
as
individuals
can
do,
which
I
know
you
cover
in
your
action
by
all.
But
there
are
things
that
we
need
to
lead
at
the
borough
as
well,
and
now
I've
totally
lost
the
thread
as
to
what
my
question
was,
but
thank
you.
A
C
If
that's
okay,
just
in
terms
of
that
pathway
to
reaching
Net
Zero
I,
think
that
that
reflects
some
of
the
conversations
we've
been
having
in
the
office
and
being
more
transparent
about
that,
and
that's
something
that
we
have
on
our
kind
of
to-do
list,
we'd
like
to
clearly
set
out
what
we've
achieved
by
project
and
where
we
aim
to
get
to
so
that
there
was
that
that
kind
of
transparency
for
for
residents
to
understand
what
we're
doing
and
what
the
progress
we're
making.
So
that's
something
that's
in
hand.
C
Just
picking
up
on
some
of
the
points
you
made.
Finally,
there
I
think
it's
worth
reflecting
on
The
View
that
we
are
proposing
a
new
Green
Team
and
the
idea
was
is
that
they
would
work
with
residents
to
not
only
look
at
energy
use,
carbon
saving,
but
also
improvements
they
can
make
that
residents
could
make
in
terms
of
their
own
kind
of
Gardens
and
natural
environments
locally.
C
M
Yeah
I
think
part
of
the
answer
is
to
to
agree
on
some
of
your
points
that
actually
that
there
are
so
many
co-benefits
and
tackling
you
know:
Carbon
emissions
in
isolation
versus
tackling
biodiversity,
Improvement
isolation,
and
all
these
things,
that's
not
what
we're
seeking
to
do
at
all
and
I
hope
that
you
feel
reassured
that
as
teams,
we
are
increasingly
collaborating
on
all
these
things.
As
Mark
said,
it
kind
of
we
have
an
officer
delivery
group
that
brings
all
these
things
together.
M
We
all
sit
under
Council
each
as
a
portfolio
holder
to
have
that
joint
of
approach
and
and
ticking
off.
All
those
things
at
once
actually
is
is
much
easier
yeah.
A
particular
example
is
a
study
that
we've
commissioned
with
the
natural
environment
team
on
carbon
sequestration
and
again
it
it's
because
I
think.
If
you
look
at
things
from
a
carbon
point
of
view
narrowly,
then
that
actually
might
not
have
very
good
biodiversity
impacts.
Tree
planting
is
an
off-cited
way
to
improve.
You
know
absorb
carbon,
and
it's
it's
good
at
that.
M
M
There
are
lots
of
quick
wins.
There
are
lots
of
challenges.
It's
not
always
a
quick
win.
You
know.
Actually
some
of
these
nature
projects
from
a
kind
of
climate
change
point
of
view
actually
take
a
long
time
for
their
benefits
to
be
realized
again
without
without
going
overall
ground.
Sometimes
we're
off
sitting
has
a
role
to
play.
M
M
That
obviously
has
health
benefits
all
these
kind
of
things,
and
we're
really
seeking
to
draw
that
out
more
in
what
we
do
moving
forward
as
well
and
I
think
you
talked
about
numbers
as
well
and
and
I
guess
we're
kind
of
jumping
ahead
to
section
four,
but
that
table
there
just
set
up
like
I.
Guess
it's
the
fact
that
they
are
in
kilotons
so
that
that
value
in
in
the
the
kind
of
four
below
4.5
it
talks
about
the
table
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions?
That's
just
just
under
a
million.
M
A
L
C
C
L
M
Yeah
I
mean
I,
guess
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
in
a
way
it's
a
kind
of
yeah
investment
in
in
the
oval
grid
is
the
carbonizing
anyway,
we're
almost
going
to
proactively
buying
real
version
ahead
of
that
wider
good
decarbonization,
and
that's
also
financial
reasons.
Why
we're
looking
to
reduce
energy
consumption
as
well
as
the
carbon
carbon
Outback,
but
yeah?
It
was
a
kind
of
proactive
step.
We
could.
We
could
take
to
make
a
significant
impact.
A
Thank
you
just
my
comment
to
that
I
mean
I'll
I'll.
Take
any
quick
win
that
we
can
get
to
reduce
our
numbers,
but
yeah.
That's
anybody
else,
section
three:
can
we
move
on
to
section
four
going
once
going
twice?
Okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
section
four
of
the
paper
Borough
wide
emissions
from
residence,
business
Etc
have
I
got
any
questions
on
section
four.
P
When
are
we
going
to
have
a
clear
plan
because
that
that's
a
heck
of
a
job
to
to
bring
all
of
their
their
properties
up
to
good
standards
in
terms
of
insulation
and
also
to
to
make
the
most
of
opportunities
for
and
no
solar
panels,
whatever
else
we
could
use?
So
what
have
we
got
that
we
can
sort
of
hold
on
to
and
hold
them
to
account
on
foreign.
C
I
think,
in
terms
of
both
of
the
large
associations,
they
are
developing
their
plans,
they're
carrying
out
I,
suppose,
background
work
and
research
to
understand
which
properties
need
the
most
attention,
so
they
can
start
to
develop
their
Capital
program
to
to
deliver
the
change
that
we
need.
So
we
could
happily
send
to
you
the
these
slides
that
they
presented
at
the
map
back
in
October.
A
I
Yeah
I
was
thinking
about
public
transport
on
the
borough,
which
is
you
know,
bus
buses
in
particular
have
been
under
pressure
for
for
a
number
of
years
and
the
rather
alarming
news
this
year
this
week
from
Hampshire
County
Council
regarding
their
finances.
I,
just
wonder
if
the
council
is
going
to
make
any
contingency
plans
to
protect
public
transport
in
the
borough
because
of
the
the
contribution
it
can
make
to
to
the
green
agenda.
I
C
Worth
bearing
in
mind
that
we
don't
fully
understand
how
County
will
aim
to
make
Savings
in
the
future.
So
until
we
have
that
understanding,
which
it's
probably
a
little
early
to
be
making
decisions
and
formulating
Views
around
how
we
might
support
that.
But
clearly
we
do
contribute
significant,
some
already
to
supporting
public
transports
in
in
the
borrowed
to
benefit
residents.
I
A
G
A
C
I
suppose
we
are
having
some
conversations
around
developing
an
EV
part
EV
strategy
to
guide
how
we
roll
now
evening,
charges
more
generally
in
the
borough.
Obviously,
we're
focused
on
our
car
parks
and
the
assets
that
we
control,
because
we're
not
the
highway
Authority
and
we're
like
we
are
reliant
on
Hampshire
in
that
respect.
C
A
line
to
that.
We're
also
developing
a
parking
strategy
to
outline
how
our
Park,
how
our
town
center
car
Parks
will
be
used
in
the
future,
and
that
was
recently
subject
to
consultation
and
within
that
we
outline
an
approach
that
seeks
to
roll
out
charges
more
proactively
in
our
assets,
so
that
milled
that
that
that
approach
we
haven't
outlined
a
particular
number
of
proportional
spaces.
That
should
be
EV
kind
of
focused.
But
that's
something
we
could.
We
could
potentially
put
our
minds
to.
A
C
Certainly,
certainly,
we've
looked
at.
Other
authorities
have
they've
done
that
to
see
what
the
the
costs
and
benefits
are.
We
haven't
explored
it
in
too
much
details
yet,
but
I
think
it's
something
we
could
explore
in
the
future.
Potentially
once
we
understand
how
our
car
Parks
will
kind
of
evolve
every
time.
P
M
I
mean
I
think
at
the
moment
there
are
a
few
options
where
an
opportunity
that
we're
providing
to
community
centers
the
we
touched
later,
the
the
low
carbon
across
the
south
east
scheme
or
low
case
is
it
abbreviated
that
provides
some
match,
funded,
grant
opportunities
that
we
have
shared
by
our
connected
Community
teams
to
Community
Center
operators.
There's
a
wider
Community
Building
strategy
going
going
kind
of
work
going
on
in
the
background,
as
well
and
kind
of
I.
Guess
other
internal
discussions
again
how
we
can
support
them.
M
B
Williams
could
I
ask
in
that
con
context
that
you
copied
the
paperwork
to
the
chip,
Sports
charity
Overton,
Recreation
Center
that
runs
three
Community
Halls
within
Overton
and
wouldn't
necessarily
qualify.
Perhaps
you
can
also
clarify
for
me.
I
saw
before
I
became
a
counselor,
a
paper
that
was
about
strengthening
the
resilience
of
communities.
I
saw
its
draft
from
bva
I
commented,
then
I've
not
seen
it
come
up
within
Council
business,
so
I'd
like
to
know
where
that
paper
sits.
C
G
G
It
was
more
an
enabling
approach
that,
where
communities
sought
that
opportunity
that
we
weren't
deaf
to
it,
that
we
had
in
a
policy
position
on
it
and
we
could
consider
those
sorts
of
requests
if
that
came
about
so
very
much
reflected
on
the
comments
that
came
from
CP
at
the
time.
Hopefully,
the
new
strategy
obviously
reflects
positively
on
those
comments
that
were
made,
but
I'll
get
more
than
happy
to
circulate
it.
After
today's
meeting.
A
A
A
O
O
What
did
you
ask
section?
6.5
external
partnership
working
is
of
Paramount
importance
and
I
was
just
asking
about.
Obviously,
there
are
a
number
of
Community
groups.
I
think
we've
probably
had
some
speaking
this
evening
and
to
get
involved
on
environmental
issues
and
the
like
and
I
was
wondering
how
that
engagement
is
working
and
and
how
we,
how
we're
succeeding
there
I.
C
Guess,
from
our
point
of
view,
we
focus
mainly
on
the
kind
of
climate
change
focused
and
there
are.
There
was
a
separate
team,
natural
environment
team
that
is
more
engaged
with
the
nature
conservation
groups.
I
have
got
some
stats
around
the
kind
of
hours
of
voluntary
hours
of
that
have
been
donated
effectively
by
Volunteers
in
the
borough
in
terms
of
age
conservation,
so
we've
got
that
kind
of
information,
but
from
from
our
perspective,
we
tend
to
work
with
colleagues
from
Greener
Basin
Stoke.
We
have
the
low
carbon
energy
Forum
and
we.
C
With
the
neighbor
plan
groups
and
the
parish
councils
within
the
borough
in
respect
of
climate
change,
so
we
we
kind
of
tap
into
the
community
groups
that
are
coming
together
to
tackle
climate
change.
We
bring
them
together
to
share
best
practice
and
we've
recently
been
undertaking
some
kind
of
kind
of
questionnaire
to
understand
what
kind
of
support
they
need
going
forward.
So
that's
probably
up
where,
where
we
focus
our
efforts,
but
let's
say
that
the
natural
environment
team
are
a
bit
more
engaged
with
the
conservation
type
groups.
C
I
think
that's
an
area
where
well
from
the
climate
change
point
of
view,
we've
tried
to
engage
with
the
natural
National
Farmers
Union
to
to
to
secure
some
further
conversations
around
how
we
can
assist
but
I
think
there's
also
some
conversations
in
terms
of
the
the
natural
environment
team
and
working
in
that
respect.
So
I
think
it's
it's
Uncharted,
Territory
I
think
there's
more.
We
could
potentially
do,
but
so
far
we're
just
perhaps
testing
the
water.
In
that
respect.
P
Sorry
can
I
just
come
back
on
that.
It
would
be
great
if
you
could
really
push
that,
because,
certainly
looking
around
where
we
live,
the
there
used
to
be
an
awful
lot
more
conservation
work
done
on
Farmland
than
there
is
now,
and
it's
definitely
getting
worse,
so
the
more
you
could
do.
That
would
be
fantastic.
Thank
you.
A
L
G
Yeah
I
mean
it
should
that
should
be
already
set
out
in
our
green
infrastructure
strategy,
in
terms
of
particularly
on
the
nature,
recovery
networks.
Again,
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
currently
around
how
that
would
be
rolled
out
nationally,
and
we
are
in
discussions
with
Hampshire
County
Council
to
to
to
to
work
with
them
in
terms
of
how
that
will
be
delivered
locally,
so
yeah.
It
is
certainly
on
our
on
our
radar.
A
A
R
C
We're
really
clean
that
this
happens.
It's
something
that
we're
pushing
Hampshire
County
Council
on
because
they
as
Highway
Authority
just
for
other
members
benefits.
This
is
the
rollout
of
charges
for
on-street
locations
for
those
residents
that
benefit
from
private
driveways,
so
the
likes
of
Victorian
Terraces
in
in
the
town
center
and
the
like
we're
pushing
hard
for
Hampshire
County
Council
to
submit
the
funding
bid
to
the
government
to
make
that
happen.
We've
undertaken
surveys
of
the
locations
where
they
could
potentially
be
installed
and
I.
C
C
O
How
successful
have
we
have?
We
really
been
because
I'm
I'm
really
concerned
that
we've
got
some
aging
housing
stock,
that's
not
of
the
best
construction
and
that
at
least
some
decent
Loft
insulation
would
help
everybody
this
winter.
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
to
sort
of
Fast
Track
that
or
engage
people
I
realize
it's
their
home
and
their
choice,
foreign.
M
People
don't
always
want
free
money,
so
I
guess
the
one
challenge
with
the
ground
skis
at
the
moment
is
they're.
They
are
only
accessible
for
a
certain
portion
of
people,
so
they're
on
kind
of
low-income
households,
so
an
income
threshold
and
inefficient
household.
So
those
are
the
least
efficient
at
the
moment,
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
Target
those
first.
That
obviously
does
leave
a
huge
sway
to
people
who
aren't
aren't
able
to
access
that
grant
funding.
We
have
a
small
kind
of
loans
and
grants
available
as
a
council
directly
as
well.
M
But
again
the
criteria
is
similar.
I
mean
the
schemes
have
been
relatively
successful
relatively
so
when
we
we're
part
of
a
wider
Consortium
and
there's
been
a
really
good
uptake
relative
in
the
area
of
beta
second
Dean
compared
to
some
of
our
peers.
This
was
the
first
iteration
of
the
scheme
we're
now
in
in
the
next
wave
that
has
slightly
a
slightly
wider
kind
of
pool,
it's
slightly
larger
funding
pots
for
certain
people,
and
we
really
continue
to
push
that.
M
A
bunch
of
letters
have
just
gone
out
in
the
last
week
with
another
way
of
going
out
again
in
the
next
week
or
so
to
potentially
eligible
homes.
So
we're
really
trying
to
push
it
I
guess
the
the
kind
of
counter
is
Yeah,
the
more
you
guys
can
push
as
cancers
as
well.
If
there
are
people
you
know,
we've
been
attending
events
as
well
as
a
team.
M
M
We
can
be
at
the
moment
and
strike
up
those
links
with
Community
organizations,
community
centers
directly
with
residents,
and
we're
going
to
scooping
out
really
how
that
team
could
work
effectively
with
you
know,
with
the
existing
support,
like
like
bva,
like
assistance
of
advice
and
others
to
really
to
really
make
sure
yeah.
So
we're
having
conversations
with
with
those
organizations
at
the
moment
around
how
do
we?
How
do
we
complement
each
other
rather
than
duplicate?
M
You
know,
let's
not
reinvent
the
wheel
and
let's,
let's
support
you
what
you're
doing,
rather
than
duplicate
what
we're
doing
so.
We
really
hope
that
that
team
will
will
boost
the
next
round
of
this
funding,
which,
which
has
been
announced,
there's
gonna,
be
a
future
iteration
launching
in
in
April
next
year.
A
N
N
M
M
Do
you
need
to
take
a
proportion
of
so
that
that
value
is,
is
all
our
emissions
all
our
measured
emissions
as
a
council
since
since
our
Baseline
year,
so
since
the
Declaration?
So
this
is
the
decision
cabinet
made
to
offset
our
historic
missions
up
till
you
know
the
latest
round
being
21-22,
so
that's
three
years
worth
it
was
1819,
1920
and
2021
I
think
well
yeah.
What
do
you
think.
N
M
So
I
guess
we
you
know
so
the
actions
we've
outlined
are
what
we've
been
doing
to
reduce
emissions,
but
those
emissions
have
already
happened.
So
decision
was
to
account
for
that
to
take
responsibility.
I
guess
it
was
the
the
terminology,
so
those
yeah
those
historic
emissions,
since
the
Declaration
have
been
offset
as
opposed
to
that
being
anything
forward.
Looking
at
this
stage.
N
Okay,
thank
you.
It
says
that
the
best
practice
principles
are
being
followed.
What
do
we
know
what
those
are
as
in?
What?
What
have
we
actually
done
in
terms
of
offsetting?
Have
we
paid
money
to
credit
somewhere?
Have
we
planted
trees
somewhere
else
of
you
know
what
what
was
it
that
we've
done
to
actually
offset
that.
M
Sure
and
it
might
be
used
to
be
wrapped
up
I-
think
someone
asked
for
the
the
cabinet
report
to
be
circulated,
so
maybe
that's
useful
for
the
for
the
committee
to
see
as
well.
Essentially,
the
emerging
best
practice
is
that
to
be
from
Net
Zero
aligned
in
offsetting.
So
so
is
that
scheme
should
actively
remove
carbon
from
the
atmosphere
rather
than
reducing
future
emissions
and
and
nature
based,
bringing
the
most
technical
technological
solutions
might
exist
in
the
future,
but
but
there's
nothing
at
the
moment.
M
D
A
C
Yeah,
so
the
money
down
planning
application
was
determined
under
the
existing
adopted
local
plan,
which
has
got
one
set
of
kind
of
policies,
obviously
working
on
a
new
local
Plan
update
that
we
visited
being
published
next
next
Autumn
time.
Obviously,
when
when
homes
are
built,
they'll
need
to
be
in
accordance
with
the
latest
building
regulation,
standards
and
they're
ramping
up
over
time
in
line
with
the
government's
proposals
to
be
Net
Zero
as
well,
so
there'll
be
kind
of
judged
against
those
building
control
standards.
C
At
that
point
in
time,
the
local
Plan
update
will
give
us
the
opportunity
to
explore
whether
we
can
move
faster
than
those
I
suppose
within
the
within
the
confines
of
national
planning
framework.
So
we
aspire
to
to
be
Net
Zero
in
terms
of
our
local
plan
policies,
but
they'll
be
explored
with
members
next
year,
as
we
progress
towards
publication
for
the
local
plan
in
the
Autumn
2023.
A
Thank
you,
I
I
I've
got
a
question
on
Section
seven,
which
is
about
the
the
LC
whips
or
the
cycling
and
walking
plan.
I
I
got
very
supportive
of
of
the
plan
that
came
out,
and
a
lot
of
my
residents
were
very
supportive
for
that
as
well.
Living
in
part
of
the
rural
area
of
my
ward
and
I'm
sure
other
rewards
are
are
similar.
You
take
your
life
in
your
hands
really
when
you
try
and
navigate
some
of
our
roads.
A
So
anything
I
think
that
can
separate
that
pedestrian
cycle
road
traffic
will
be
will
be
fantastic.
However,
I've
just
seen
the
leader
of
Hampshire
County
Council
go
in
and
and
raise
concerns
about
the
the
finances
at
Hampshire,
County
Council.
So
I
guess.
My
question
is:
how
achievable
do
we
think
everything
is
in
that
LC
Whip
and
is
there
a
chance
that
there
must
probably
be
some
financial
decisions
taking
on
some
of
those
recommendations?.
C
I
I
suppose,
in
terms
of
implementing
any
transport
scheme,
it's
often
necessary
to
rely
on
section
106
contributions
from
development
and
or
government
funding
directly.
So
when,
when
Hampshire
make
make
a
funding
bid
to
the
government
for
a
particular
scheme,
that'll
be
judged
on
its
own
Merit.
So
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
in
terms
of
the
LC
whip
routes,
Hampshire
will
be
looking
for
development
contributions
from
sites
coming
forward
in
and
around
business
token.
C
The
other
settlements
to
to
fund
some
of
those
routes
and
I
suspect
we'll
also
be
looking
towards
the
government
to
to
top
those
up.
By
way
of
example,
proposals
have
been
developed
for
a
high
quality
link
between
many
down
and
the
Town
Center
going
through
Winkle
brain
past,
the
Leisure
Park
there's
there's
a
pot
of
money.
That's
been
secured
for
many
down
North
to
fund
that,
but
it's
not
sufficient.
C
So
Hampshire
will
be
looking
to
the
government
to
top
that
up
through
the
actual
travel
fund
bid,
so
that
they
will
be
be
submitting.
We
put
in
a
bid
ourselves
through
the
leveling
up
Fund
in
the
summer
to
to
secure
that
funding.
We're
still
awaiting
the
outcome
of
that
so
I
think
that
that's
the
way
that
those
kind
of
routes
are
progressed
at
the
present
time
and
I
suppose
it's
not
to
reliant
on
County
and
the
bigger
picture
conversation
that
you
mentioned
earlier.
A
N
Sorry
cheers
what
I
want
to
do
is
really
follow
up
on
on
that
strategy,
because
I
think
it's
great
and
actually
the
proposal
for
many
down
to
basal
State
cycle
route.
That
goes
through
my
ward.
It
is
good,
however,
Hampshire
County,
Council
and
basically
Dean
Council
aren't
aligned
on
what
the
provision
should
be,
so
how
much
I
want
to
aren't
willing
to
invest
in
the
the
bridge
upgrades
that
will
get
people
across
the
Dual
carriageway.
N
However,
I
know
that,
speaking
to
officers,
that
is
absolutely
the
best
place
to
go
and
the
safest
route
and
the
you
know
the
the
most
logical
route.
How
can
we
work
make
sure
that
we're
actually
aligned
on
all
of
this?
Because,
again
going
back
to
the
media
standpoint,
you
know
we've
got
people
going
off
in
different
directions
and
I'm
not
getting
a
good
strategy
at
the
end.
C
The
leveling
up
funding
bid
that
was
submitted
was
an
agreed
position
between
us
and
Hampshire,
and
that
was
to
replace
the
bridge
the
existing
Footbridge,
which
is
for
those
of
you
that
know
it
is
quite
narrow
and
it's
quite
high,
and
perhaps
a
little
bit
intimidating
if
you're,
if
you're,
on
a
bike.
So
the
proposal
was
to
provide
a
wider
deck
so
that
you
had
space
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians.
So
we
did
come
together
in
the
end
on
that
particular
proposal
and
came
to
a
shared
view.
A
N
A
A
L
Had
a
question
for
my
Warden:
if
they
were
asking
it
does
cover
in
here
mainly,
but
just
just
to
put
it
there.
Entadly
we've
got
two
charge
pools
it's
electric
and
charge
points
at
the
moment,
but
we
are
a
town
in
our
own
right
and
we
would
obviously
like
to
have
more
and
they'll
say
the
sharing,
because
it's
probably
quite
a
good
journey
from
tadley
to
Basingstoke
to
share
an
electric
vehicle.
L
C
Noted
I
think
I
think
part
of
the
rollout
that
councilman
Lily
referred
to
has
some
sights
I.
Think
there
were.
There
were
40
sites
in
total
I
believe
there
were
one
or
two
in
tadley
from
memory.
Apologies
I
didn't
have
the
list
in
front
of
me,
but
that
certainly
noted
and
we're
keen
to
support
I
think
it
was
a
couple
of
sides.
But
let
me
get
back
to
you
once
I've
have
the
certainty.
Again,
it's
subject
to
Hampshire
supporting
that
funding
bid
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
So
there's
a
bit
of
uncertainty.
A
Just
as
an
aside,
so
it's
what
we're
doing
in
our
world
we're
actually
looking
to
claim
some
of
our
section
106
contribution
and
and
build
out
some
EV
charger
points
in
there
as
well.
Now
I
appreciate
that
tadley
doesn't
get
to
build
many
houses,
but
I'm
I'm
sure
it's
something
we
can
look
at.
If
there's
no
more
on
Section,
seven
or
section
eight,
then
it
comes
on
the
camera.
No!
No!
Okay!
Is
everybody
happy
that
I
move
on
to
section
nine?
Then?
Yes,
section
9,
councilor,
Lee
yeah,
so.
N
N
Over
the
recent
years
we
have
seen
a
a
drop
in
kind
of
Motorola's
gone
tallies,
quite
sort
of
high
skilled
high-wage
employers,
so
the
engagement
between
National
employers
to
bring
them
to
Basingstoke
so
that
we
can
use
some
of
their
knowledge
they're,
not
our
local
people
to
grow
our
economy,
but
also
to
put
some
jobs
into
renewable
energy
building,
wind
turbines
or
the
technology
that
goes
behind.
Any
of
that
is
that
something
that
you'll
be
Keen
to
do
or
looking
into
foreign.
M
I
guess
a
big
thing
that
we're
doing
as
a
team
is
working
with
our
colleagues
in
Economic
Development
to
kind
of
start
to
facilitate
those
those
questions
we
can
ask
them.
I
I,
don't
know
if
they're
having
those
kind
of
conversations
with
with
those
National
companies.
It's
a
really
good
idea.
We
can
take
it
away.
I.
Think.
M
A
lot
of
our
conversations
at
the
moment
are
really
trying
to
understand
speaking
to
the
kind
of
existing
installers
and
and
the
supply
chain
in
in
those
areas
and
trying
to
convene
those
with
with
demand
and
colleges
and
training
providers
and
start
that
kind
of
that
conversation.
You
know
there's
a
little
bit
chicken
and
egg.
M
You
know
there
needs
to
be
the
demand
for
the
installers,
the
best
direct
people
to
get
trained
up,
I
I'm
working
with
Hampshire
County
Council
and
their
their
Economic
Development
and
skills
team
to
understand
the
broader
picture,
because
obviously
lots
of
employees
can
know
about
that,
but
yeah
to
the
National
big
National
provider-
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
but
we
can.
We
can
have
that
question
with
my
colleagues.
A
R
N
N
We
know
how
much
of
an
effect
that
has
had
on
reducing
Borough
wide
emissions,
because
I
I
drive
in
a
a
hybrid
car
that
has
an
automatic
switch
off
when
I
get
to
traffic
lights,
but
I
can
sit
in
traffic
lights
and
see
every
single
other
car
around
me
with
their
engine
idling
it.
How
much
of
an
impact
has
that
that
campaign
had
and
were
any
fixed
penalty
notices
issued.
D
D
I've
got
an
electric
car,
so
so
it's
good,
but
the
idling
campaign
can't
stop
that.
So
you
can't
you
couldn't
enforce
somebody
to
switch
their
engine
off
at
a
traffic
lights.
It's
more
around
like
up
at
the
train
station
trying
to
encourage
taxi
drivers
and
when
we
did
launch
the
campaign.
I'd
spoke
with
quite
a
lot
of
the
cpsas
and
things
who
do
encode
and
they
are
you
know
they.
D
They
do
see
the
benefits
of
it
and
they
know
it's
still
important
and
I
know
the
local
MP
was
pushing
it
quite
a
bit,
and
you
know
it's
just
trying
to
encourage
people,
especially
taxi
drivers
at
the
station
and
things
to
not
idle,
and
then
we
were
doing
at
one
point:
Tom
I
think
weren't.
We
with
Hampshire
campaigns
outside
of
schools,
to
sort
of
parents
idling
when
they're
dropping
theirs,
kids,
but
yeah.
It's
a
good
point.
D
M
So
just
chip
in
and
say
I
think
there's
been
some
some
recent
successful
campaigns,
I
guess
outside
Queen
Mary's
and
at
downgrange
I
think
they're.
Often
it's
reacting
to
particular
complaints
and
alcohols
have
been
there.
I
think
your
question
around
fixed
penalty
notices,
so
I
guess
in
a
way
that's
a
kind
of
Last
Resort,
so
there
have
been
none
mostly
because
actually
the
campaign
has
been
successful
in
all
offices
have
been
successful
in
requesting
people
to
turn
off
engines.
M
I
Yeah,
just
a
quick
comment
on
the
on
the
idling
thing:
it's
well
known
in
health
and
safety
management,
the
poster
campaigns
have
limited
effect,
but
if
they're,
if
you
get
the
best
from
them,
forces
have
to
change
regularly
and
be
refreshed.
So
if
we
are
thinking
about
imposters
being
part
of
the
campaign
going
forward
for
anti-idling,
we
should
rethink
about
the
fact
that
you
need
to
you
need
to
change
posters.
People
stop
seeing
posters
they're
just
there
all
the
time.
Thank.
D
You
yeah
no
I,
take
that
on
board
and
I
think
as
part
of
because,
obviously
like
Marx
at
the
beginning,
this
new
website
is
going
to
be
quite
a
big
thing.
So,
instead
of
just
having
all
our
climate
change
stuff
buried
in
the
back
of
our
current
website,
just
the
basis
they
can
deem
one
is
going
to
be
separate
and
that's
all
got
new
branding
new
graphics
and
it's
going
and
I.
Think
if
we
like,
you,
said
if
we
can
start
putting
those
new
branding
and
Graphics
onto
an
anti-idling
campaign,
probably
be
quite
helpful.
N
I,
just
just
I
guess
just
to
carry
it
on
a
little
bit
is
that
I
I
get
that
you've
had
an
effect
by
asking
people
to
to
switch
off.
But
that's
like
I'll
switch
off
here
and
I'll
drive
down
to
the
next
one
and
I'll
leave
it
running
I!
Guess
how
can
we
encourage
people
to
change
their
behaviors
more
than
than
actually
just
going
on
I'll
switch
off
here
because
he
told
me
to
and
then
yeah
I've
dived
down
to
the
next
traffic
light
and
I'll
leave
it
running
then
kind
of.
D
Two
things:
yeah
I'm
not
and
I,
get
that
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
want
you.
It
is
just
carrying
on,
isn't
it
and
if
somebody
it
was
that
one
person
might
be,
it
might
then
make
them
think.
Oh
actually,
why
are
they
doing
now?
Is
because
of
climate
change
and
then
each
time,
and
then
it's
in
their
mind
that
they'll
do
it.
D
There
will
always
be
people
that,
whatever
you
do,
even
if
you
give
them
a
fixed
penalty
notice,
they
probably
won't
listen
but
no
I,
get
where
you're
coming
from,
but
I
think
it's
just
carrying
that
on
and
keeping
on
top
of
it
and
just
making
people
realize
that.
Actually,
you
know
if
it
is
up
in
places
like
train
stations,
where
taxi
drivers
are
on
a
regular
basis,
and
the
officers
know
that
it's
the
same
person
all
the
time
but
yeah
it's
just
keeping
on
at
them.
Isn't
it.
A
I
think
education
through
primary
schools
most
probably
help
with
that
as
well,
because
it's
amazing
what
sticks
and
children
said
my
my
daughter
picked
out
that
my
speedometer
wasn't
working
when
I
says
I
was
doing
35
and
a
30..
That's
a
joke
by
the
way
before
anybody
thinks
I
was
doing
an
Emily
Thornbury
but
I
think
a
serious
note
to
that
absolutely
I.
Think
if
a
child
sat
in
the
back
and
saying
why
is
your
engine
still
running
daddy
or
money.
D
Yeah
when
we
launched
the
campaign,
we
did
it
at
a
few
schools
and
you're
right,
because
the
kids
then
get
home
it's
like
with
recycling.
When
I
go
to
these
brownies
and
rainbows
and
things
then
I
get
parents
messaging
me
again.
My
kids
come
home
and
it's
emptied
our
recycling
bin
because
they're
taking
out
what
she's,
but
it's
great,
that's
what
children
should
do
so.
M
It's
very
self
over
the
last
couple
of
years
you
know
covert,
has
meant
things
like
green
week,
and
some
of
that
in
person
or
or
just
engagement
generally
with
some
of
these
shops
has
been
really
hard.
We
had
really
good,
update
and
I.
Think
two
of
two
of
the
owners
of
some
of
these
refill
shops
were
members
of
the
Steering
group
for
green
week
this
year,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
conversations
have
already
happened
now
about
how
do
we?
How
do
we
grow?
That
would
welcome
ideas.
M
I
think
that
I
guess
with
lots
of
these
things
would
welcome
ideas
and
how
you
think
we
could
I
guess
we're
starting
to
have
conversations
with
with
some
of
those
operators
yeah
whether
going
into
schools
and
colleges
is
a
could
be
a
really
interesting
way.
I
guess
it's
also,
as
we've
talked
about
with
all
of
this
kind
of
stuff.
M
It's
you
know
the
education
piece,
giving
people
information
about
the
benefits
why
it
could
be
good
where
they
are
yes,
I'm
posting
to
them
and
again,
as
we
talked
about
this
new,
this
new
identity
and
the
new
website
there
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
do
that
in
another
way
and
another
voice
stick
to
that
corporate
Council
Channel
but
yeah.
We
welcome
any
other
thoughts
on
how
we
could.
Q
A
O
O
C
I
suppose,
in
terms
of
the
Town
Center,
the
master
fans
is
fairly
high
level.
I
think,
as
we
begin
to
deliver
projects
on
the
ground,
that's
when
I
think
we'll
begin
to
build
these
kind
of
elements
into
those
particular
schemes.
I
think
there's
a
recognition
in
the
in
the
high
level
strategic
document
that
you
know.
For
example,
more
green
infrastructure
is
needed
in
the
Town
Center,
more
natural
shading,
those
kind
of
things,
so
they
recognize
at
the
higher
level
and
then
we'll
start
to
drill
down
with
that
resilience.
A
C
A
It's
maybe
one
for
the
committee
I
know
that
the
town
strategy
is
going
going
to
Cabinet
anyway,
but
we
may
want
to
ask
for
it
to
come
to
committee
anyway,
so
we
can
at
least
get
an
update
and
and
get
that
alignment
from
some
of
these
key
targets
that
we're
trying
to
do
and
ask
those
questions,
I,
think
of
of
those
officers
and
and
not
put
not
put
our
officers
on
the
spot
for
something
they're,
not
responsible
for.
So
no
absolutely
thank
you
for
that.
Q
Yes,
thank
you
chair
just
an
observation.
Really.
It
refers
to
working
with
partners
for
clean
energy
sort
of
uses
and
things
I
I
was
just
thinking
about
the
solar
farm.
You
talked
about
all
the
car
Parks
I
came
across
one
this
week
where
water
companies
are
using
waste
and
waste
from
sewage
and
making
heat
for
homes,
local
homes.
We
have
an
incinerator
here.
Violia
produce
a
lot
of
heat,
we're
building
next
door
to
it.
Do
we
do
we
talk
to
these
people?
Q
C
I
think
in
the
past
there
have
been
conversations
with
Hampshire
County
Council
as
landowner
of
the
site
adjacent
to
the
to
the
incinerator,
and
the
technical
study
was
undertaken
many
years
ago
on
that
I.
Don't
think
we
should
have
a
copy
of
that,
but
that
did
explore
the
potential
to
tap
into
that
that
heats
arising
from
the
incinerator.
There
are
certain
requirements
that
are
needed
to
ensure
they
work
residential
schemes,
I'm
led
to
believe
don't
tend
to
lend
themselves
terribly
well
to
that
kind
of
heat.
C
I
think
there's
quite
a
technical
study
behind
it,
but
I
understand
you
need
a
good
mix
of
uses.
You
need
kind
of
uses
that
demand
that
heat
throughout
the
day
homes
typically
require
that
heat
weekend
and
evenings
when
we're
home
and
using
that
energy.
So
you
know
you
need
the
right
type
of
development
to
really
tap
into
that
most
effectively
understand,
but
we
we
do
kind
of
explore
those
opportunities
as
they
rise.
Q
A
N
No,
no
I
think
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward
to
to
the
committee
that
there's
clearly
a
lot
that
we've
got
to
do
going
forward,
and
hopefully
you
can
take
on
board
some
of
the
comments
and
questions
tonight
so
that
we
can
amend
it
so
that
it
does
become
more
of
a
strategy
rather
than
just
a
plan
of
actions
going
forward
and
and
maybe
a
an
update
come
back
here.
Just
if
there
is
any
revisions
to
it
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
chance
to
debate
it
again.
N
C
Do
with
the
committee
is
to
come
back.
We
come
to
the
committee
three
times
per
year
once
with
the
annual
update
and
then
twice
later,
every
every
four
months
effectively
to
give
you
an
update
on
how
we're
progressing
with
with
the
action.
So
that's
something
we
can
pick
up
at
the
spring
update
I
guess
it
would
be.
A
Fantastic
anybody
else
who
else
like
to
to
add
anything
before
I
I
sum
up:
okay,
I'll
sum
up,
then
I
and
I
want
to
repeat
cancel
these
thanks
for
coming
there
and
and
sitting
and
and
listening
to
these
questions.
You've
got
an
easy
time
of
it.
I
mean,
as
I
said.
This
is
my
first
time
actually
cheering
cep
and
I've
only
been
here
once
before.
I
I've
come
from
the
heady
hell
of
the
committee
that
zph
and
I
tell
you
what
you
have
an
easy
time.
Sat
there
this.
A
This
is
a
fantastic
bunch
of
counselors,
so
so
they
definitely
have
put
you
through
a
good
treatment.
So
I
I
think
the
the
comments
I've
got
from
this.
That
I
need
to
sum
up,
and-
and
my
fantastic
companion
early
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
Here
we
have
our
strategy
paper
on
carbon,
offset
that
councilor
Williams
had
asked
for,
but
is
going
to
be
circulated
to
all
councilors.
A
A
There
are
councilor
lead
thanked
you
for
your
hard
work
would
would
hope
that
it
could
be
shaped
to
be
more
of
a
strategy
than
a
plan
and
look
to
bring
it
back
and
I
think
the
intention
is
is
to
bring
it
back
to
cep
anyway.
So
we
will
discuss
that,
have
I
misquoted.
Anybody
have
I
missed
anybody
out.
Are
we
happy
to
move
on
to
the
next
section.
D
I
just
appreciate
things
like
natural
environment,
biodiversity
come
up
a
lot
and
I
discussed
that
with
officers
this
morning,
I
think
Tom
am
I
right,
we're
bringing
green
infrastructure
strategy
early
next
year.
Aren't
we
back
to
this
committee,
so
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
have
some
more
detailed
information
and
debate
around
biodiversity
at
that
stage,.
O
A
A
A
A
You
can't
blame
me,
boss,
I,
wasn't
here
when
this
was
previously
done.
So,
if
I'm
going
over
any
old
ground
I'm
going
to
apologize
now,
but
I
just
need
to
get
up
to
scratch
with
what
the
work
program
is.
Please
don't
be
offended
if
I'm
asking
anybody
to
revalidate
why
we're
bringing
something
forward.
A
I
I
was
sat
with
early
yesterday,
where
we
sat
and
looked
at
our
schedule
so
because
councilor
Goulding
is
often
maternity
leave
I'm
going
to
plan
out
until
July
I
think,
which
is
most
probably
fair
to
do
so.
We
have
four
meetings
coming
up:
18th
of
January
23,
15th
of
March
14th
of
June
and
19th
of
July.
So
so
we've
got
four
meetings
coming
up.
A
A
Now
this
is
coming
to
CP
on
the
18th
of
January
2023,
and
the
rationale
for
that
is
that
it's
it's
going
to
Cabinet
in
December.
It
needs
to
go
to
cabinet
because
we
need
to
get
the
the
budget
in
place.
Now.
The
the
the
statement
that's
come
out
from
that
is.
We
are
not
reducing
the
budget,
so
there
isn't
any
concern
there.
A
So
so
the
work
that
cep
can
still
do
with
that
paper
that
comes
forward
is
help
to
actually
shape
and
refine
the
criteria
for
organizations
that
need
to
apply
that
need
to
that.
Need
that
that
want
to
apply
to
this
funding.
So
hopefully,
that's
acceptable
for
everybody,
and
hopefully
the
18th
of
January
is
acceptable
for
bringing
that
forward.
Does
anybody
have
any
comments
on
that?
One.
A
P
You
so
the
the
issue
I
have
with
with
lots
of
these
is
that
they're
linked.
So,
for
example,
when
you're
looking
at
the
community
and
voluntary
sector
grants,
you
have
to
refer
to
the
culture
strategy
and
the
strengthening
Community
strategy,
whoops
and
various
other
things
and
Tom
probably
knows
way
better
than
me.
What's
linked
to
what
which
probably
then
dictates
what
we
need
to
talk
about.
G
You're
absolutely
right
to
say
that
what
we
are
funding
has
to
link
directly
to
what
is
the
new
emerging
council
plan,
but
also
in
terms
of
those
approved
strategies,
whether
that's
a
strengthening
Community
strategy
or
the
cultural
framework.
So
what
was
set
out
in
the
cabinet
paper
recently
was
the
sort
of
revised
approach
to
how
that
funding
the
Strategic
funding
would
be
administered.
G
If
you
like,
moving
forward
in
a
much
more
simplified
method
of
making
sure
that
we
can
direct
that
funding
to
the
organizations
that
we
think
will
best
are
best
placed
to
deliver
against
those
priorities.
So
I
think
the
intention
of
the
paper
in
January
is
to
bring
back
the
detail
around
those
particular
schemes
that
that
will
continue
to
get
your
your
thoughts
and
input
in
terms
of
you
know,
because
you'll
know
from
the
experience
this
year.
G
I'm
sure
you
know
what's
worked
well,
where
we
need
to
improve
and
simplify
some
of
the
grant
funding
Arrangements
against
the
grants.
You'll
have
direct
experience
on
in
terms
of
how
that's
administered
and
thoughts
and
suggestions
on
how
that
can
be
improved.
So
the
intention
is
to
come
back
with
that
sort
of
you
know,
get
your
views
on
how
we
can
sort
of
shape
and
direct
that
funding.
A
A
But
the
other
thing
is
as
well
is:
is
it
becomes
a
little
bit
the
chicken
and
egg,
so
so
I
think
I
think
I
absolutely
take
on
board
what
you're
saying
but
I
think,
because
the
community
and
voluntary
sector
Grant
is
looking
to
go
live
before
we
could
most
probably
bring
the
cultural
strategy
back
in
to
review
it.
It's
most
probably
more
beneficial
to
have
it
in
that
that
order
that
we've
proposed
of
bringing
in
in
January
but
I
absolutely
get
everything,
and
it
is
a
valid
point.
A
N
I
I
was
just
going
to
refer
to
your
your
kind
of
your
initial
question
around
how
we
want
to
approach
these
and
I.
I
certainly
believe
that
we
should
be
here
to
not
just
to
kind
of
scrutinize
the
end
document
and
say
yay
or
nay,
I
think
we
certainly
should
be
here
to
influence,
shape
and
and
help
construct
the
policies
and
strategies
that
go
with
it.
So
if
we
can
get
them
site
of
them
earlier
so
that
we
can
then
influence
the
direction
and
then
get
them
returned
at
some
point.
A
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Could
I
make
the
same
point
as
councilor
Burnett
about
the
links
between
the
various
items.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
local
recreational
needs
assessment
and
the
built
sports
facility
and
plan
strategy
are
very
much
linked,
they're
very
much
out
of
date.
The
last
playing
pitch
strategy
was
done
in
2015
I,
believe
the
work
is
quite
Advanced
on
that
using
external
Consultants
I,
don't
know
how
much
scope
there
is
then
to
shape
it,
but
it
does
seem
to
me
that
that
would
be
something
that's
worth
taking
early.
A
A
So
to
finish
off
that
one,
so
so
so
so
super
happy
community
and
voluntary
sector
grant
funding
review
is
going
to
come
forward
in
January.
Okay,
that's
that's
something
that
I'll
work
with
with
with
Ellie
to
bring
that
forward
the
the
Town
Center
strategy.
So
we're
going
to
go
on
to
the
next
one
you're
here,
because
again-
and
this
is
where
I've
I've
tried
to
look
back
into
the
history
of
of
what's
been
brought.
What
was
brought
forward.
A
So
my
understanding
for
this
is
that
the
Town
Center
strategy
actually
went
to
eph
on
the
17th
of
March,
an
update
report
and
the
the
strategy
itself
is
actually
going
to
cabinet
for
adoption
in
December
2022.
in
this
year.
So
I
I
think
the
the
first
question
is:
do
we
want
it
to
come
to
cep?
And
the
second
question
is:
what
do
we
hope
to
achieve
if
we
do
bring
it
and
then
the
third
one
really
is
more
a
point.
A
So
this
is
where
again
as
part
of
my
learning,
how
to
be
a
chair.
I
have
a
quarterly
scrutiny
meeting
on
Thursday,
where
I
sit
down
with
all
the
other
chairs
and
with
the
head
of
scrutiny
and
I,
take
forward
to
my
my
proposals
for
our
work
program
and
it's
effectively
that
chair
of
scrutiny
that
can
turn
around
and
say
yes
or
no
and
can
divert
it
to
something
else.
A
So
it
may
be
that
the
the
reason
why
the
the
attention
strategy
didn't
come
to
cep
was
because
it
went
to
eph,
but
I.
I
will
ask
that
question
anyway
for
that
one
but
I
guess
over
to
over
to
members.
Do
you
want
to
see
the
Town
Center
strategy
come
forward
again
and
if
so,
what
do
we
want
to
achieve
from
it?.
N
I
guess
I
want
to
make
a
comment,
but
I,
don't
I
think
we're
kind
of
too
late,
because
I've
noticed
that
in
I've
come
to
cabinet
and
documents
were
said
to
be
going
to
CP
and
actually
it
turns
out
they
were
going
to
eph
or
somewhere
else.
I
was
starting
to
wonder
like.
Why
is
it
going
to
one
place
and
not
like
communities,
environment
and
Partnerships
right?
This?
That's
that's.
N
Surely
our
piece
is
it
because
scrutiny
is
diverting
it
off
to
eph
because
and
I
know,
eph
I'm,
sure
you'll
be
able
to
say
even
more
than
I.
Can
their
workload
is
horrendous
compared
to
this,
and
we
had
a
meeting
canceled
previously
because
there
was
just
nothing
on
the
agenda,
so
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
the
documents
that
are
being
lined
up
yeah
come
to
the
relevant
committee
rather
than
eph,
be
overloaded
and
I
sat
here
twiddling
our
thumbs
going.
You
know
so
nobody's
using
us
we're
here
to
help.
G
Yeah
so
yeah
I
mean
the
intention
of
the
sort
of
chairs
meetings
you
know
with
the
cabinet.
Members
is
to
agree.
You
know
where
these
particular
reports
are
best
best
and
to
try
and
balance
out
the
workloads
between
committees,
which
I
appreciate
eph
is
not
always
that
easy,
but
with
with
the
Town
Center
strategy,
it
was
certainly
felt
that
it
was
so
integral
to
those
discussions
about
housing
numbers
that
they.
You
know.
That
was
really
the
request
as
to
why
it
should
go
to
eph.
G
A
Yeah,
so
I
I
mean
I
I
I
would
want
to
back
up
what
Tom
says
as
well
is.
Is
we
don't
want
to
recreate
work
and-
and
we
don't
want
I-
think
personally
committees
to
be
conflicting
against
each
other,
so
I
think
and
to
me
I
think:
that's
why
the
chair
of
scrutiny
is
in
opposition
counselor
right,
because
that
that
gives
you
that
that
that
non-political
ability
to
be
able
to
root
things
so
that
it's
not
a
political
game
of
passing
things
through
committees.
A
But
what
I
plan
to
do
is
that
when
we
come
up
when
we
agree
with
something
from
this
and
I
go
to
the
meeting
tomorrow,
I'll
I
will
pass
that
feedback
back
to
everybody,
so
that
you're
all
involved
so
that
we
have
a
program
of
work
scheduled
quite
frankly
and
again,
I'll
I'll
be
challenging
the
fact
that
we've
had
a
meeting
canceled
and
exactly
what
you
said.
There
came
to
Lily
as
well.
I
mean
I.
A
F
I
think
also
as
well.
There
is
a
piece
around
you
know:
it's
a
new,
it's
a
new
process,
overviewing
scrutiny,
so
we
just
need
to
be
clear
on
when
things
are
suggested
for
CP
that
they
are
and
they
decide
to
go
to
me
page
instead,
that
we
feed
back
and
just
confirm,
what's
happened,
which
gives
obviously
the
committee
an
opportunity
to
attend
that
meeting
or
read
those
papers.
A
So
so
everybody,
if
everybody's
happy
I'm,
actually
going
to
propose
that
we
don't
bring
the
Town
Center
strategy
forward
because
I
don't
think,
there's
any
value
to
this
committee
and
we
will
have
the
opportunity
to
debate
it
at
fuel
Council
anyway.
I
think
so,
if
everybody's
happy
with
that,
that's
an
action
that
will
take
okay,
so
the
next
one,
then,
is
the
cultural
strategy
which
was
back
to
councilor.
Oh
cancel.
A
It's
it's
it's
on
my
list.
Don't
worry
that
there
was
one
omitted
and
I'll
I'll
look
to
whoever
it
was
to
to
remind
me
of
that
as
well.
But
don't
worry.
Green
infrastructure
strategy
is
on
my
list
with
a
plan,
a
cultural
strategy,
so
this
was
presented
to
cep
back
in
March,
as
we
said
before,
the
the
officers
recommend
bringing
it
back
in
late
spring
early
summer
and
because
that
way,
we'll
have
some
some
good
sound
evidence
of
how
the
compact
is
actually
running
and
I.
A
Think
that
will
be
a
a
scrutiny
action
really
because
it,
the
the
process
is
in
place
and
the
the
cultural
compact
will
be
delivering
to
the
cultural
strategy,
and
that
is
where
we
can
do
that.
Students
to
make
sure
that
that
that's
actually
working
is
everybody
happy
with
that
suggestion
that
it
comes
late
spring
early
summer.
A
Okay,
fantastic
strengthening,
Community
strategy,
so
this
is
the
one
the
report
I've
had
the
draft
strengthening
Community
strategy.
It
was
updated
to
take
on
board
the
comments
from
cep
on
16th
of
March
this
year
and
the
final
strategy
was
approved
by
cabinet
on
the
5th
of
July
2022..
Now
my
question
is:
do
we
want
to
bring
it
back
to
provide
us
an
update
for
it
and
if
so,
what
do
we
want
to
achieve
from
that.
P
Thank
you
so,
yes,
I
would
love
to
see
it
again.
But
my
understanding
is
that
there's
a
massive
piece
of
work
going
on
with
the
council
officers
to
look
at
all
the
different
strategies
and
how
they
look
like
play
shaping,
for
example,
is
probably
in
the
strengthened
communities,
because
some
of
the
strategies
now
are
sort
of
redundant
because
they've
been
replaced
by
something
completely
different.
P
So
it
would
be
really
helpful
with
things
like
strength
and
communities
if
we
made
sure
that
it
had
all
its
bits
that
fed
into
it,
so
that
we
could
look
at
it
as
a
whole
picture.
Once
you've
done
that
piece
of
work
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
piece
of
work
is
called
or
how
far
you've
got
with
it.
But
it
would
be
lovely
to
hear
about
that
and
and
then
we
can
use
it
to
inform
our
work
program
as
well.
A
A
It
allows
them
to
bring
forward
the
correct
information
and
from
that
and
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
need
to
be
War
and
Peace
I've
seen
some
really
good
examples
of
of
ones
that
have
come
in
and
and
I'm
sure
we
can
share
them
out.
If
anybody
wants
a
template
to
see
what
they
need
to
fill
in
and
the
detail,
that's
required
Council
Williams,
yes,.
B
A
If
you
wanted
to
come
back
forward
again,
we
will
complete
that
work
program
hopefully,
and
the
report
we've
had
is
currently.
We
are
working
with
the
new
portfolio
holder
for
communities
to
review
the
approach
to
to
the
community
assets
and
its
assessment
officers
would
suggest
that
an
update
is
brought
to
cep
in
the
summer
of
2023.
Regarding
the
report,
the
proposed
approach
to
to
that
Community
assets
and
needs
assessment.
A
A
Or
are
we
happy
taking
the
the
officer's
recommendation
and
bring
it
in
summer
23
which
will
be
learned
about
the
June
of
the
July
1,
where
I
think
we've
most
probably
got
a
little
bit
more
opportunity
to
to
to
to
to
to
to
get
some
valuable
answers
out
from
the
portfolio
holder
at
the
time?
Any
comments.
O
G
So
it's
a
holistic
look
at
what
exists
in
those
local
areas
and
and
to
support
communities.
Yeah
there
was
a.
There
was
a
paper
that
did
come
to
cep,
wasn't
involved
directly
in
myself
at
that
point,
which
sort
of
set
out
the
sort
of
intention
in
the
framework
and
a
pilot
approach
that
was
going
to
be
followed,
and
you
know
clearly
we
are
working
with
our
new
Cabinet
member
on
on
revising
that
and
and
bringing
that
forward.
So
yeah.
P
It
sounds
like
the
perfect
opportunity
for
us
to
do
some
shaping,
so
perhaps
we
could
find
out.
I
mean
it
might
be
that
earlier,
rather
than
later
is
good,
because
then
we
can
work
with
the
portfolio
holder
and
what
they're
doing
and
bring
some
ideas
together
so
that
it
doesn't
arrive
as
a
Vader
complete.
Please
comment
on
this.
We
can
actually
be
part
of
the
process.
G
Obviously,
I
will
keep
it
on
the
work
program
and
I
think
that's
a
conversation
that
we
can
have
about
the
timing
and
when
to
bring
that
back
so
you're,
absolutely
right,
we'll
it's
on
the
work
program
and
we
can
bring
back
a
paper
to
get
to.
You
know,
get
the
views
of
CP
on
on
what
they
look
like
moving
forwards.
G
A
N
Slowly,
sorry
did
you
say:
there's
already
something
out
there
that
we
can
read
on
this
because,
to
be
honest,
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
as
to
that
explanation
as
like
Community
assets,
because
to
as
Council
taxes
like
Park,
Green,
Space,
Community
groups,
that's
a
wide-ranging
topic
of
discussion.
That
sounds
like
it's
wrapped
up
in
every
other
strategy
as
well.
What.
G
I'll,
do
is
I'll
I'll
reel
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
date
when
it
was
brought
to
see
people
previously,
but
I'll
find
out
when
that
report
came
back
and
obviously
that
sets
out
the
context
in
terms
of
what
they,
what
that
piece
of
work
entails.
So
I
make
sure
that's
circulated
just
to
show
this
clarity
about
what
the
intention
was.
A
And
I
I
tell
you
what
then,
how
about
if
we
get
the
paper
recirculated
to
all
councilors,
and
we
put
it
on
an
item
to
discuss
for
the
work
program
in
January's
meeting
to
see
if
we
want
to
bring
It
Forward
based
on
the
based
on
the
report
that
we've
read
and
perhaps
even
get
a
quick
update
from
an
officer
on
on
the
current
progress
from
the
paper
that
we
have
and
then
we
can
schedule
it
in
to
to
the
program.
I.
Think
councilor
Morrow.
L
This
is
actually
quite
close
to
my
heart
in
my
ward,
because
we
have
a
basin
steak
owned,
building
that
they're
going
to
sell,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it
was
put
on
the
market,
which
we
managed
to
make
an
ACV
asset,
a
community
value
and-
and
so
it's
quite
important,
I
think
what
what
the
council
do
after
it's
on
that
ACV.
You
know,
because
this
building
is
still
going
to
be
dispaged
of
by
base
and
Stoke
and
Dean,
and
there's
no
process
there's
no
policy
to
do
it.
L
L
A
Is
you
want
to
shape
what
the
portfolio
holder
is
doing
and
you
don't
want
it
to
be
a
theater
complete,
so
I
will
put
that
in
the
web
program
request
and
I'll
give
it
to
the
officers
so
that
we
know
that
winning
people
that
is
in
a
state
to
come
to
us.
It
cannot
be
that
fear
completely,
and
it
needs
to
be
absolutely
for
for
us
to
give
feedback
into
the
shape
and
the
direction
of
where
it
wants
to
go.
Is
everybody
happy
with
that
proposal?
A
A
R
G
So
we
will
just
take
that
one
away
and
as
an
officer
group,
we
need
to
come
back
to
you
from
the
January
meeting
to
say
when
that
will
be
scheduled
and
so
yeah.
Unfortunately,
I've
got
an
update
for
this
meeting,
but
clearly
that
that
one
needs
to
stay
on
the
work
program
and
we'll
come
back
to
you
to
confirm
when
it
will
be
scheduled.
A
Okay,
councilman
Milani.
Are
you
happy,
then,
that
I
move
this
on
to
January
as
an
agenda
item
for
a
work
program
for
us
to
discuss
there
to
to
so
that
we
can
schedule
this
in
for
work?
Is
everybody
else
happy
that
recommendation
yeah?
Okay,
fantastic,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
one
green
infrastructure
strategy?
No,
that's
not
important!
We'll
move
on!
Won't
we
so
the
green
infrastructure
strategy,
so
officers
would
suggest
bringing
this
to
cep
in
the
summer
of
2023.
A
N
I
would
say
that,
obviously
summer
2023
is
a
new
election
year
and
making
sure
that
these
up
do
stay
on
the
list
for
then
more
than
anything,
yeah,
obviously
I'm
here
for
four
years
anyway,
but
it's
just
just
in
case
the
next.
You
know
you
might
have
a
replacement
after
today's
showing
just
just
to
make
sure
that
they
do
stay
on
the
list
for
those
for
those
sessions.
A
A
I
I
think
we
need
to
take
the
scheduling
offline,
because
I
I
think
the
other
thing
I'm
conscious
as
well
is,
is
the
the
commitment
on
officers
to
get
something
substantive,
To
Us
by
then
and
I.
Think
we
also
have
to
be
aware
as
well,
that
we're
not
the
only
committee
putting
demands
on
portfolio
holders
and
officers
sorts
of
what
I
I
I
absolutely
get.
What
the
committee
is
saying
they
want
it
to
be
brought
forward
as
soon
as
we
can
and
I
will
pass
that
back
and
we'll
do
a
scheduling
session
offline.
O
A
So
that's
what
we'll
aim
for,
if
everybody's
happy
with
that
I
mean
I
appreciate
you
know
we
do
have
to
work
to
to
the
demands
on
our
officers
and
absolutely
we
do
want
to
bring
it
forward
so
that
we
can
scrutinize
this
as
well.
So
I'll
aim
for
14th
of
June,
if
everybody's
happy
for
that,
and
it
is
coming
forward.
A
Yeah.
Okay,
thanks!
Let's
talk
I
know,
you're
happy,
so
so
the
next
one,
then
is
going
on
to
addressing
councilor
Williams
very
valid
points.
So
we've
got
three
here:
we've
got
the
local
recreational
needs
assessment
and
built
sports
facility,
and
we've
got
the
playing
pitch
strategy
and
then
we've
got
the
Leisure
and
community
centers
review.
So
we've
got
three
items
that
are
actually
pretty
fairly
well
linked
and
the
report
that
I've
had
back
from
from
officers
because
I
have
been
working
before
this.
A
B
This
is
my
concern
about
my
experience
of
this
committee
is
that
we
make
comments,
but
we're
not
always
clear
about
what
happens
to
those
comments.
It
may
be
that
as
a
new
member
I'm,
not
following
that
up
enough,
it's
gone
forward
to
an
to
cabinet
and
decisions
have
been
taken,
but
really
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
picking
up
things
that
are
said
here.
The
request
for
a
workshop,
another
Workshop
comes
up.
Is
that
linked?
Is
that
separate?
Are
we
going
to
have
two
workshops,
foreign.
F
So
Democratic
services
are
in
the
middle
at
the
moment
of
producing
a
recommendation
tracker
so
across
all
the
Committees
recommendations
and
comments
will
be
tracked,
so
there
will
be
an
audit
trail
of
what
the
response
was
or
what
the
outcome
was
and
that
will
go
to
Every
meeting
of
those
committees.
So
you
can
see
quite
clearly
what's
happened.
G
With
the
lnra
is,
you
know,
is
an
evidence-based
study,
so
we
have
to
adhere
to
some
lots
of
national
governing
bodies.
You
know
standard
approach
as
to
how
we
assess
the
need,
so
it's
a
consistent
model,
that's
applied
across
the
country
in
terms
of
how
that's
done
so
yeah.
That
would
be
just
an
opportunity
to
understand
how
that
gets
conducted.
G
G
I
fully
expect
that
we'd
probably
bring
aboard
the
Consultants
that
supported
and
and
delivered
that
piece
of
work
and
then
moving
on
from
that.
It's
to
understand
how
how
that
has
influenced
the
existing
strategy.
So
that
moment,
you've
got
the
play
Pitch
and
the
built
sport
facility
strategies
which
run
up
to
2025,
and
obviously
this
is
just
it's
a
five
yearly
review
the
lnra
just
to
check
whether
or
not
that
is
still
meeting
the
needs
you
know
of
of
of
those.
G
B
Council
Williams
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
not
happy
with
that
approach.
The
lnras
based
on
quite
old
information
I
think
there
should
be
an
opportunity
to
shape
it.
It
doesn't
automatically
flow
from
an
evidence-based
approach
that
the
conclusion
that's
actually
reached
in
relation
to
any
evidence.
That's
been
connect
collected
that
that
conclusion
is
the
right
conclusion
and
I
think
there
should
be
an
opportunity
for
this
committee
to
shape
it
not
merely
hear
about
how
it
was
done,
etc,
etc.
G
Well,
I
I
again
my
my
understanding
of
it's,
not
my
area
forever,
just
to
just
to
clarify,
but
my
understanding
is.
It
is
a
a
set
approach,
a
standard
approach
that
applies
consistently
across
the
country
as
to
how
we
should
conduct
that
evidence-based
assessment
of
the
need
and
again
it's
recent
I
mean
it
was
only
done
last
year.
Wasn't
it
so
you
know
that
has
been
updated.
G
A
The
outcome
of
that
is
used
to
measure
whether
or
not
our
existing
strategies
are
actually
fulfilling
their
need
and
I'm,
assuming
that,
if,
if
that
lrna
attended
and
said
you're
failing
your
strategies,
that
would
have
kicked
off
a
piece
of
work
to
refresh
our
strategies.
So
I
I
appreciate
councilor
Williams
that
you,
you
have
a
differing
Viewpoint.
Perhaps
what
I
suggest
shall
we
shall
we
look
to
do
the
workshop?
Shall
we
look
to
hear
out
the
officers?
A
Shall
we
keep
this
on
the
work
program,
which
means
that
if
the
committee
aren't
satisfied
after
the
work
after
after
the
after
the
the
the
the
the
the
outer
committee
meeting,
we
can
then
look
as
a
committed
to
ask
for
it
to
be
brought
back
again,
but
at
that
point
we
will
shape
what
we're
hoping
to
achieve
is.
Is
that
is
that
acceptable
foreign.
B
Why
I
say,
even
though
it's
an
evidence-based
approach,
that
some
of
the
conclusions
reached
may
not
remain
relevant?
So,
for
example,
the
lnra
bases
itself
on
earlier
work
done
by
the
football
foundation
and
Hampshire
fa
and
the
council?
The
conclusion
was
that
basal,
Stoke
and
Dean
needs
five
new
fault
size,
artificial
grass.
A
No
I
I,
I
I
was
just
going
to
add
I
I
think
it's
a
perfectly
valid
point
that
you've
raised
I
and
I.
Think
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
the
report
in
front
of
us
in
an
out
of
committee
meeting
so
that
so
we've
got
all
counselors
can
digest
it
and
then
I
think
we'll
look
to
see
whether
or
not
we
want
to
bring
it
back
in
jail,
because
I
think
I
think
you've
raised
that
a
perfectly
valid
point.
A
If
document
sends
you
need
five
of
this
well,
where
do
the?
Where
did
the
five
go
and
and
what
committee
helps
to
ship
that?
How
does
that
feed
into
and
I
think
that
I
mean
that
that,
to
me
almost
feeds
back
into
the
the
the
the
the
role
of
scrutiny
of
this
committee?
If
we,
if
we
have
a
report
that
says
you
need
to
deliver
five
football
pitches
and
are
playing
pitch
strategy
only
has
accommodation
for
for
as
an
example,
and
that
that
is
something
that
that
we
can
challenge.
Why?
A
Why
are
we
not
meeting
to
that
or
if
we
actually
think
that
our
playing
pitch
strategy
is
is,
is
out
of
date
after
the
the
updated
evidence,
then
I
think
at
that
point
we
can.
We
can
ask
the
portfolio
holder
to
come
back
in
and
ask
them
what
their
plans
are
with
the
strategies
and
help
to
look
to
shape
them.
If
necessary.
A
P
A
Yes,
yes,
because
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
as
well,
so
we
get
a
well
it's
a
big
document,
yeah
and
so
I
I
think
that
would
help
we
get
all
invite
all
counselors
to
the
to
the
the
presentation.
I
think,
because
that
that
was
probably
helped
to
shape
some
of
the
conversation
around
it
and
then
at
cep.
We
can
then
decide
what
we
want
to
do.
Is
it
the
next
step
from
that?
A
And
so,
if
everybody's
happy
with
that
proposal,
I'll
move
forward
on
that
one
then
and
then
the
last
one
is
the
well
the
last,
but
one
because
there's
one
that's
missing
and
councilor
tuck
is
going
to
pick
me
up
on
it.
Hopefully,
so
the
the
last
one
I
have
is
the
Leisure
and
community
center's
review,
and
the
comment
that
came
back
from
officers
was
that
there
was
no
work
program
form
for
this
item,
so
so
so
this
is
an
example
of
whether
they
actually
need
to
understand
the
nature
of
this
request.
A
I
Well,
I
won't
be
wrong,
but
I
recollect
discussion
where
cancer
is
that
possibly
at
this
committee
expressed
concern
that
the
council
might
want
to
sell
off
some
community
centers
I'm,
looking
for
Assurance
as
to
whether
that
was
the
case
or
not.
I'll
stand
to
be
corrected
by
anybody
else
who
recollects
something
along
those
lines.
G
That
was
never
the
intention,
but
we
absolutely
picked
up
on
on
all
the
comments
that
were
made
that
it
appeared
that
way
in
the
way
it
was
set
out.
As
I
say
it
was,
it
was
very
much
just
an
enabling
approach.
I
mean
it's
not
without
you
know
some
some
Community
organizations
May
desperately
want
to
run
the
building
themselves,
and
it
was
just
it
just
really
setting
out
that
we
wouldn't
be.
G
We
needed
to
set
out
an
approach
where
what
how
we
would
consider
such
requests.
You
know,
because
clearly
we
want
to
make
protect
the
the
facility
and
its
future
operation
to
the
benefit
of
the
residents
locally,
but
you
know
we.
Conversely,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
any
organization
that
did
seek
to
take
on
a
building
that
we
currently
own
and
manage
directly
you
know
is,
is
one
that's
going
to
stand
that
the
test
of
time
is,
as
it
were,
in
terms
of
being
financially
resilient
and
so
on.
G
A
A
P
A
That
is
an
idea
that
we
can
sit
and
think
about
and
see
whether
or
not
we
want
to
bring
anything
forward
and
again,
I
think
if
anybody
has
any
other
thoughts
on
what
they'd
like
to
bring
forward,
then
I
would
suggest
bringing
it
forward
for
January's
meeting
where
we'll
still
have
a
work
program
item
on
the
agenda
anyway,
and
so
we
can.
We
can
discuss
that
and
look
to
see
if
we
can
shape
anything
in,
but
oh
councilor,
McKay
yeah.
I
I
just
recall
the
local
police
officers
come
into
the
committee
before
and
making
a
presentation
just
around
where
their
priorities
were
and
so
on,
and
not
be
another
committee
long
enough
to
know,
but
I
understood
that
that
was
a
regular
feature
of
the
committee.
So
it
would
be
useful
to
just
to
make
sure
that
keeps
its
place.
Yeah.
A
If
nobody
has
any
more
to
add
to
that
one,
then
then
I'm
happy
to
suggest
we
move
on
to
that
one
and
I
think
that
is
cause
of
business.
Isn't
it
and
I
I
mean
I
I
just
want
to
say
you've
been
an
absolutely
fantastic
committee.
I
mean
thank
you
very
much
for
such
an
easy,
easy
ride
of
it
coming
through
here
and
so
yeah
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
and
Mr
Vice
chair.