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C
Almighty
God
judge
of
all
people
you
have
placed
in
our
hands
Lord
the
wealth.
We
call
our
own,
give
us
wisdom
by
your
Holy
Spirit
Lord
said
our
prosperity
may
not
be
a
curse
in
our
lives,
but
an
instrument
for
blessing.
We
ask
that
you
will
guide
and
give
leadership
to
every
memory
at
this
Board
of
Commissioners,
and
we
ask
that
you
will
give
them
knowledge
and
understanding
so
that
decisions
made
today
and
always
will
benefit.
Every
citizen
of
this
community
amen.
A
E
E
You
beep,
okay,
Leslie
twice
the
point
of
me
to
the
library
board
and
I'm
here
to
address
the
appointment
you
have
on
today,
just
briefly
I
hope,
you'll,
reappoint
dhan,
Kaur
Lyon
to
a
five-year
term
he's
been
the
senior
member
of
the
library
board
right
now,
as
I'm
sure
you
know
served
as
chairman
through
some
very
tough
times
and
is
not
only
his
background
as
president
adopted
colony,
but
is
a
finance
officer
out
there,
which
was
very
helpful
to
us.
He's
the
wise
old
man
on
the
board
and
we'd
really
miss
him.
E
Her
and
other
than
being.
My
lawyer,
which
means
you'd,
have
two
lawyers
on
the
board.
I
think
very
highly
of
her
I
think
she's
very
well
prepared
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
around
town.
Tell
me
how
capable
she
is
and
that
she
would
be
a
welcome
addition
of
the
board,
so
I'm
just
here
to
hope
that
you
will
appoint
her
to
the
one
year
remaining
on
Bob
with
chances
term
and
Don
carline
to
be
appointment
to
the
five-year
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
G
B
G
H
You
know
unbelievable
price
and
then
I
was
working
at
legal
aid
and
defender
and
then
I
eventually
moved
up
here
because
I,
like
my
husband,
like
Bay
City,
it's
a
much
easier,
much
nicer
place
to
live.
People
are
very
welcoming
in
you
know,
courteous
and
everybody
has
just
really
been
great
to
us.
I'm
very
concerned
about
libraries
in
their
future,
because
people
think
that
a
nobody
reads
be
Oh
everybody,
just
downloads
books
and
so
there's
no
point
to
having
libraries.
H
But
you
know
that's
not
true,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
have
computers
that
use
libraries
to
get
jobs
to
find
out
things
to
read
the
paper
and
I.
Don't
think
that
a
lot
of
people
are
aware
of
how
much
use
the
library
gets
and
how
important
it
is
and
how
important
it
is
not
to
have
two
different
groups
of
people.
You
know
one
that
have
access
to
everything
and
the
other
group
that
really
doesn't
have
access
to
very
much,
and
those
are
probably
the
people
that
need
the
library
services.
A
A
I
A
I
J
K
L
C
J
A
J
G
C
L
M
A
A
C
engagement
in
the
Korean
War.
And
whereas
with
an
eighth
grade
education
and
limited
employment
options,
alfred
Birdo
joined
the
u.s.
army
to
defend
and
serve
his
country,
and
whereas
private
first
class,
alfred
Budo
assigned
a
task
force.
Smith
a
small
detachment
of
GIS
outnumbered
and
outgunned
sent
to
delay
the
North
Korean
advance
was
BAE
County's,
first
powa
and
casualty
in
the
Korean
War
into
her
s.
Private
first
class,
alfred
widow,
was
part
of
a
forced.
Nearly
was
part
of
a
forced.
C
Corn
private
first
class,
alfred
widow,
died
in
a
North
Korean
POWs
camp
of
malnutrition,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
Bay
County
Board
of
Commissioners
and
the
Bay
County
Executive
take
this
opportunity
to
recognize
and
honor
private
first
class,
alfred
brodo
for
his
selfless
bravery
as
a
soldier
of
the
US
Army.
One
of
the
many
brave
men
and
women
who
have
made
the
ultimate
sacrifice
to
preserve
Liberty
for
all
Americans
signed
early
career
chair
and
born.
O
P
P
O
You
know:
there's
been
a
lot
of
films
on
world
war
ii
and
on
the
war,
but
I
was
thinking
I
like
to
watch
film
and
I
can't
think
of
a
a
good
film
on
what
the
Korean
War
was
all
about.
But
all
I
know
is
that
a
whole
lot
of
people
did
a
whole
lot
of
good
things
on
behalf
of
this
country
and
we
should
be
you're
very
fortunate
for
their
valor,
as
well
as
their
courage
and
their
commitment
to
this
country,
and
so
on.
O
Behalf
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
and
the
people
of
Bay
County
Duff
I'd
like
to
present
this
cousin,
and
perhaps
you
could
elaborate
on
how
you
got
started
on
this
I
got
started
on
this.
We
had
a
conversation
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
he
was
relating
that
he's
going
to
be
on
his
way
to
Korea
this
month
and
it
sounded
like
a
story
that
needed
to
be
told,
and
fortunately
AM
life
jumped
on
it
right
away.
He
was
on
the
front
page
and
there's
a
lot
with
no
further
ado.
N
Well,
the
interest
came
from
my
grandma
uncle
his
mother,
losing
him
so
young
several
years
went
by
and
I
just
got
started
in
genealogy
and
I
thought
I'd
do
a
little
bit
more
research
on
uncle
Alfred
and
unfortunately,
most
of
his
siblings
based
stuff.
Around
Vicky's
father
are
deceased,
so
I
just
started
reading
some
books
and
interviewing
some
of
the
other
fuel
w's
that
survived
the
that
peel
w
camp
that
he
was
in
and
in
fact,
I
was
fortunate
to
visit
one
and
down
in
Texas
and
then
talk
to
one
of
them.
N
C
Education,
leadership
and
community
service,
whereas
nominated
by
this
high
honor
by
Joel,
straws,
Bay,
County,
Health,
Director
and
Molly
stay
fish,
MSN
RN,
a
nursing
instructor
at
SVSU,
Kathy
Jana
has
been
the
public
health,
nursing
services
manager
for
Bay
County,
since
2012
responsible
for
clinical
oversight
of
two
of
the
three
major
divisions
of
the
health
department,
the
maternal
child,
health
care
services
and
public
health
services,
and
whereas,
as
the
public
health
nursing
manager,
Kathy
Jana
has
provided
steady
leadership
to
a
number
of
programs,
including
the
maternal
infant
Health.
Program.
A
K
Q
Mr.
chair,
what
my
lease
a
fish
that
we
both
nominate,
Kathy
for
this
prestigious
award
I
readily
got
the
chance.
I
will
tell
you
this
Kathy
she's
got
about
20
plus
years
of
experience
at
the
Bay
County
Health
Department.
She
was
there.
I
won't
say
when
she
started
a
long
time
ago,
but
she's
held
just
about
every
nursing
position
at
the
Bay
County
Health
Department.
Q
She
worked
from
7:30
in
the
morning
till
3
o'clock,
without
a
break
or
without
a
lunch,
because
that
that
was
the
need,
so
she's
brought
that
energy
to
the
Health
Department
and
has
done
some
very
significant
things
here,
so
I'm
very,
very
proud
to
give
her
this
award
and,
as
I
told
her
when
she
would
once
you've
won,
we
called
her
up
made
this
special
made
it
a
surprise.
This
is
a
big
deal.
No
other
public
health
nurse
has
ever
won
this
award
at
Saginaw,
Valley,
State
University.
So
we're
very
proud
of
her
efforts.
R
S
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm,
truly
honored,
especially
being
at
the
same
time
that
there
was
a
Korean
War
veteran
just
honored.
Today,
I
just
felt
very
honored
to
have
received
this
award
to
have
been
nominated
by
Joel
to
being
chosen
by
SVSU's
committee,
the
two
SVSU
and
the
Moore
family
for
even
offering
this
opportunity
for
nurses
in
our
community
to
be
recognized
and
most
of
all,
for
the
Board
of
Commissioners
to
take
the
time
out
of
their
meeting
to
recognize
me.
Thank
you
very,
very
much
I'm
very
honored.
Thank
you.
D
No
I
I
work
out
of
the
Bay
City
office
as
well
as
Cadillac
and
Gaylord
I
also
have
with
me
today,
Dwayne
Rostenkowski,
who
originally
reviewed
the
analytical
results
for
the
dredge
material
before
the
placement
and
Laurie
Babcock
who's,
our
new
district
geologist
who
might
need
to
work
on
this.
If
there's
additional
follow-up
necessary.
Okay.
D
You
know
it's
been:
it's
been
some
15
years
or
more,
since
the
department
did
the
review
on
this
material.
So
there
has
been
renewed
interest
in
the
last
couple
years.
I
can
say
that
I've
had
some
discussions
with
a
number
of
people,
as
has
our
former
district
geologist,
Lauren
Curtis
I
know,
there's
been
some
inquiries
I.
A
A
That
live
around
the
the
site,
and
one
of
the
questions
that
we'll
start
off
with
is
did
the
Saginaw
Bay
division
of
MDEQ
on
its
own?
Have
the
authority
to
negotiate
the
terms
of
the
foot
confin'd
disposal
facility
or
were
there
other
terms
that
could
have
been
approved
by
Lansing?
Was
the
decisions
for
that
site
done
here
or
was
it
done
in
Lansing?
Is
what
I'm
getting
at.
D
D
Standard
restrictive
covenant
that
we
use
in
cases
where
dredge
material
exceeds
certain
criteria
for
contaminants.
In
this
case,
arsenic
was
a
little
bit
over
the
direct
contact
criteria
and
so,
in
those
cases,
typically
a
standard
restrictive
covenant
gets
applied,
which
is
designed
to
make
sure
that
the
material
is
not
disturbed
and
used
in
some
way
that
that's
inconsistent
with
the
potential
hazard.
D
A
K
One
of
the
questions
was
a
morbidity
and
mortality
rage.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
any
studies
recently
of
people
living
in
the
area
having
a
higher
morbidity
mortality
rate,
but
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
questions
that
was
brought
up
at
one
of
the
meetings
that
won't
spent
15
years-
or
maybe
we
haven't
looked
at
that,
but
yeah.
D
I
don't
know
if
I
can
answer
that
I
mean
I.
I
I
will
say
that
the
arsenic
level
in
this
case
was
not
too
high
above
background
concentrations
that
we
find
in
soils
across
the
state
and
it's
quite
possible
this.
This
arsenic
level
was
was
just
representative
of
background
conditions
and
the
Colin
River
arsenic
happens
to
have
a
fairly
low
direct
contact
number
and
you'd
only
notice
health
effects.
D
A
According
to
the
paper
that
I
saw
it,
there
was
a
permit
issued
which
was
97
zero,
eight,
zero,
zero,
six,
zero
and
the
question
on
it
was.
Was
there
a
follow
up
to
the
requirements
of
that
permit?
Did
anybody
oversee
what
the
rules
and
regulations
were
within
that
permit
and
where
they
follow
and
I
guess
what
it
comes
down
to?
D
Our
Water
Resources
Division
covers
the
dredging
itself
in
the
river
and
covers
that
through
a
permit
that
they
issue
our
division,
which
happens
to
be
the
office
of
waste
management
and
radiological
protection.
We
cover
the
controls
on
the
ultimate
disposal
area.
The
route
between
you
know.
If
there,
if
there's
trucking,
involved
between
the
two
locations,
that's
really
covered
by
standard
transportation
laws.
D
F
D
I
can
only
say
that
you
know
we've
had
some
follow-up
emails
and
so
forth.
That
transpired
between
the
township
and
the
department.
But
as
I
indicated
these
these
dredge
disposal
cases
are
typically
a
low
level
of
regulatory
oversight
on
our
part
unless
we
receive
a
complaint
or
something
at
the
time.
I
don't
think
from
the
file
record
that
we
got
any
complaints
at
that
time,
but
there
may
have
in
fact
been
problems
raised
by
residents,
but
I,
don't
recall
in
the
file
record
that,
having
seen
any.
O
R
I've
been
reviewing
dredge
projects
for
over
26
years,
I'm,
the
only
one
so
I've
looked
at
every
dredge
project
done
in
the
state
where
we
look
at
contaminants
and
though
we
have
not
had
any
questions
or
issues
of
this
as
far
as
I
can
tell
so.
Typically,
the
land
of
water
guys
are
the
ones
that
issue
the
permits
so
I
assist
in
and
looking
at
the
contaminants.
So
in
the
past
they
would
go
out
verify
projects
but
with
the
legislative
constraints
being
put
on
them
for
shorter
or
shorter
timeframes.
A
Well
well,
you're
up
there.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
was
an
unusual
or
is
it
normal
for
disposal
sites
to
be
located
in
residential
area?
I
know
that
back
in
the
50s,
with
the
maps
being
the
way
they
were,
it
was
actually
a
wetland,
and
you
know,
as
time
has
gone
on,
that
term.
Wetland
has
become
so
sacred
that
you
know
if
a
bird
happens
to
fly
over
and
leaves
a
little
puddle
according
to
the
DEQ.
That's
a
wetland
now,
but
back
back
then.
T
R
All
right,
so
our
dredge
procedure
for
the
last
25
years
we
would
allow
anyone
to
put
on
their
property,
will
upland
on
their
property
anything
up
to
like
a
hazardous
waste
with
a
clean
cover
and
deed
restriction.
We
thought
it
would
be
best
to
get
it
out
of
the
water
way
rather
than
leaving
it
in
there
and
impacting
the
water
and
the
fish
and
stuff.
R
So
typically,
when
people
put
these
things
on
their
property,
they're
sort
of
putting
out
a
black
mark
on
a
property
that
you
know,
something's,
you
know
buried
their
sleeve
I
think
they
think
long
and
hard
before
they
do
that.
So
over
the
last
26
years,
maybe
200
times,
we've
done
this,
allow
them
to
put
contaminated
materials
on
their
property
to
clean,
covering
a
deed
restrictions.
So
it
is
the
standard
procedure.
It.
A
A
R
L
You,
mr.
chairman
Duane,
you
said
you've
overseen
for
26
years.
All
the
dredging-
and
you
know,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
stories
what's
true
or
what's
not
true,
I'm
going
to
the
island,
probably
primarily
from
the
Saginaw
River
when
they
dredged
that
and
that
material
goes
to
the
idol.
What
types
of
hard.
R
L
R
I
can
only
imagine,
but
I
don't
have
that
specific
information.
Typically,
what
we
get
is
the
in
place
testing
of
the
material.
Then
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
consistent
with
what
originally
went
in
there
when
they
design
that
thing.
So
they've
done
the
studies
to
show
that
the
PCBs
and
dioxins
are
not
leaving
that
disposal
area
and
getting
into
Saginaw
Bay.
Okay,.
L
R
A
A
A
Have
the
DEQ
done
any
kind
of
soil
samples
to
say
to
the
people
that
live
there
Jason
to
the
Bayside
Park
that
there's
nothing
leaching,
because
I
know
that
in
one
particular
home
that
has
a
sump
there,
there
is
some
type
of
foreign
material.
That's
coming
in
to
a
sump
pump.
That's
raise
some
concerns
and
my
guess
my
question
is
that
if
that
individual
wanted
to
have
that
tested,
would
that
be
something
that
the
DEQ
would
step
in?
A
R
A
R
About
background
arsenic
levels,
so,
like
phil,
was
saying,
depending
on
where
you
are
in
the
state.
So
if
you're
over
on
the
west
coast,
you're
gonna
see
levels
like
one
to
two
parts
per
million
when
you
get
over
in
this
part
of
the
stage
you're
going
to
see
around
12
to
15
parts
per
million.
And
if
you
get
over
my
port
here.
S
R
A
R
A
A
You
got
a
lot
of
clays
you're
gonna
have
higher
arsenic.
Well,
we
just
tore
a
park
apart
a
children's
park
at
that's
part
because
of
levels
of
arsenic
that
we're
above
standards
and
anger,
townships.
Looking
at
taking
this
Bayside
Park
and
possibly
putting
it
into
a
disc
golf
course,
so
any
disturbance
of
that
soil
obviously
could
cause
some
concerns
and
I
guess
what
it
comes
down
to
is.
R
Long
as
you
maintain
that
six
inch
cap
that
was
required,
there's
not
going
to
be
an
issue,
so
if
they
need
to
dig
it
up
to
do
something
they
need
to
put
the
cap
back
over
at
that,
that's
all
they
need
to
do.
They
need
to
remove
materials,
then,
at
that
point,
we'll
have
to
determine
whether
that
stuff
needs
to
go
to
a
landfill
if
they
don't
have
room
on
site
to
place
it.
R
So
we've
done
this
with
a
number
of
parks
around
the
state
and
other
locations
where
they've
had
large
mountains
of
dredge
material
and
they
want
to
come
in
and
do
something
in
the
future.
Well,
the
whole
thing
is:
they
need
to
put
a
plan
to
us
for
what
they're
going
to
do,
how
they're
gonna
do
it
all
they're
gonna,
maintain
that
you'll
safety
and
then
put
the
cap
back
on
it
when
once
they're
done.
Okay,.
K
A
R
R
R
J
R
Actually,
it
looked
pretty
good,
so
we've
had
some
changes
in
our
criteria
over
the
years
and
here's
a
number
of
things
going
on
with
our
part
201
or
cleanup
criteria.
So
in
solid
waste
we
used
to
look
at
a
one
in
a
million
protection.
Now
we've
changed
to
the
cleanup
standard
of
one
in
a
hundred
thousand,
so
we're
actually
allowing
more
contaminants
to
go
out,
which
is
the
same
as
you
require
to
clean
up
to
then.
Actually,
we've
done
a
study
here
in
the
last
two
years
concerning
certain
parts
of
the
state.
R
So
in
the
past
our
statewide
background
number
for
arsenic
was
5.8.
Now
we
consider
Bay
County
to
have
a
concentration
of
12
as
normal,
so
we've
doubled
the
amount
of
arsenic
we
think
is
naturally
occurring.
You
know
over
here
in
the
thumb
based
on
a
bunch,
the
sampling
that
we've
done
in
the
last
10
or
15
years.
So
the
numbers
we
were
looking
at
in
a
dredged
material
I
think
came
out
to
be
like
15
parts
per
million,
so
we
say
anywhere
in
Bay,
County
you're
gonna
expect
to
find
12.
G
R
J
R
Know
so
what
those
risk
numbers
talk
about
is
an
increased
incidence
of
cancer
of
one
person
in
a
hundred
thousand
people
that
spend
seventy
years
in
contact
with
that
material,
so
that's
kind
of
how
they
develop
the
risk
number
so
many
hours
a
day
drinking
so
much
water
ingesting
as
much
soil
for
70
years.
So
if
a
hundred.
R
J
A
Well,
one
of
the
concerns
is
there
is
a
family
of
a
husband
and
wife
that
basically
came
down
with
the
same
cancer
and
he
has
since
passed,
and
so
there's
some
concern
on
her
part.
How
unusual
is
that
to
happen
in
the
same
household,
but
does
anyone
else
have
questions
for
these
gentlemen?
Because
what
I'd
like
to
do,
if
you
would,
if
you
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
Michigan
DEQ
cards
right,
if
you
could
leave
them
with
mr.
Lutz
I'm,
hoping
that
if
we
were
to
put.
A
You'd
be
willing
to
come
in
and
possibly
have
kind
of
what
we're
doing
here,
question
and
answers
with
some
of
the
bank
accounts
of
residents
at
the
township
hall,
I'd
like
to
get
with
Dennis
in
Kula
and
some
of
the
trustees
to
see
what
we
could
put
together
so
those
that
weren't
able
to
make
this
meeting
might
be
able
to
come
in.
You
know
early
evening
and
have
an
open
conversation
to
kind
of
put
their
minds
at
ease.
If
that's
possible.
Well,.
R
A
The
perimeter
this
well
for
some
reason
that
berm
was
removed
and
because
of
some
of
the
the
movement
of
the
land,
there
I
mean
that
that
sites
dumpin
all
kinds
of
water
which
shouldn't
on
to
other
areas,
causing
a
lots,
changed
to
the
environment
of
that
property.
So
I,
don't
know
who
who
was
involved
in
and
taking
those
burns
down
and
not
putting
the
proper
slopes
on
it
to
keep
that
water
contained
because.
A
Has
a
right
to
dump
water
from
their
property
onto
somebody
else's
right,
and
if
this
is,
what
indeed
is
going
on,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
reviewed
and
somebody's
gonna
have
to
step
up
to
the
plate
and
take
whatever
was
made
wrong
and
make
it
whole
again,
but
that
that
may
be
a
different
person
to
talk
to
and
I'm
glad
that
you
guys
took
the
time
to
come
in
to
address
the
board
and
I
look
forward
to
talking
with
you
to
see
if
we
can
get
something
together
and
Bangor
Township.
Alright.
Thank
you.
A
L
B
A
M
M
F
And
children
injured
and
killed
firefighters
and
police
officers,
and
they
have
monies
that
they
grin
out
to
police
departments
and
fire
departments
for
equipment
yeah.
But
it's
made
up
of
local
citizens
and
business
people
from
the
community
that
donate
monies
for
this
and
that
money
is
kept
in
the
event
that
we
have
an
event
where
somebody
gets
injured
or
killed.
I
know.
M
That
it's
really
stuck
the
gein
gein
Stephen,
Bay,
County
I,
know
the
one
inside
Knott
County
has
couples
of
a
million
dollars
and
thankfully
they've
never
had
to
give
in
yellow
or
a
doubt,
and
so
all
they
and
so
they've
been
granted
money
to
a
nice
to
the
base
city.
One
there's
granting
money,
you
know
as
a
former
firefighter
and
you
as
a
as
a
member
of
law
enforcement
I.
Think
it's
a
great
thing.
These
people
are
doing.
You
know
for
the
community
and
a
lot
of
people
that
they're
always
looking
for
new
members.
M
I
know,
that's
girl,
you
know
they're,
ours,
they'll
take
anything
member
they
can
get.
Anybody
can
join
the
100
club
with
a
county
and
average
people
into
self.
Is
they
they're
doing
a
lot
of
good
and
I?
Get
a
lot
of
email,
stolen,
I
know
they
don't
have
their
one
meeting
a
year,
I
think
that's
for
a
meal
and
they
get
together
and
you
know,
break
these
blogs
and
and
never
make
some
dealing
contribution
and
where
they
go
and
they
do
things
like.
M
A
L
L
B
L
B
L
U
A
L
J
L
B
B
A
L
L
L
L
L
L
K
P
Michigan,
indigent
defense
counsel
did
some
supply
it
there.
Those
guidelines
to
the
Supreme
Court,
the
Supreme
Court,
did
issue
an
order
that
gave
conditional
approval
of
those
guidelines
with
a
caveat,
and
that
was
the
way
the
legislature
had
written
the
statute
setting
up
initially
setting
up
the
indigent
defense
counsel.
V
V
I
think
we're
jumping
that
gun
setting
up
this
program.
We
don't
know
for
sure.
What's
coming
down
from
the
state
dealing
with
the
MIDC
and
only
thing
I
can
see,
it
is
costing
us
anywhere
from
seventy
five
thousand
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
more
than
what
we're
currently
paying
the
judges
over
there.
They
and
they
don't
seem
that.
There's
nobody
languishing
in
jails
and
stuff.
Everybody
seems
to
be
taken
care
of
all
rights
of
what
I
understand.
So
that's
my
viola.
That's
where
I'm
sticking
Thank
You
amber
I
just.
P
Is
what
that
is
not
what
you're
voting
on
today
the
issue
to
bring
the
two
attorneys
back
in-house
to
provide
those
services
was
voted
on
as
a
legal
for
a
month
ago.
The
issue
that
is
before
the
board
today
are
for
the
various
budget
adjustments
for
Durning
reworking
of
office
space
number
one
because
they
do
need
to
build
some
walls
and
existing
office
space.
Two
different
offices
would
also
be
dealing
with
providing
more
support
staff
to
the
existing
attorneys
that
are
in
the
office
as
well.
After
the
probate
attorney
was
moved
from
part-time
to
full-time.
P
There
was
no
adjustment
to
support
staff
that
was
made.
This
also
deals
with
setting
a
public
hearing
for
your
next
meeting,
which
is
personnel
and
Human
Services.
You
would
have
a
special
board
meeting
following
that
to
take
the
attorneys
that
we,
because
we've
already
interviewed
the
new
attorneys
for
those
new
positions.
Basically,
what
we're
saying
is
right
now,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
we
have
one
public
defender's
office
with
one
department
director
and
you
have
five
attorneys
underneath
them.
P
So
if
you
have
a
case
that
comes
in
that
has
multiple
defendants,
the
county
will
assign
one
of
those
defendants
to
our
current
office,
and
then
they
will
assign
the
other
defendant
to
an
outside
attorney
that
the
county
has
to
pay
for,
even
though
we
have
other
attorneys
in-house.
That's
because
there's
an
inherent
conflict
of
interest,
you
can't
have
two
attorneys
from
the
same
office
representing
two
co-defendants
who
may
have
interests
that
are
adverse
to
each
other.
P
P
Clarify
the
fact
that
this
change
was
not
necessarily
made
in
response
to
the
new
guidelines
that
were
set
forth
by
any
Michigan
indigent
defense
counsel.
There
was
a
concern
regarding
the
control
that
was
had
over
the
attorneys
that
were
representing
the
current
misdemeanor
defendants,
whether
or
not
they
we're
being
met
with
before
pretrial
hearings.
I
understand
that
the
judges
have
weighed
in
on
this
issue.
Certainly
they
have
every
rights
to
weigh
in
on
this
issue.
P
So
the
the
interest
at
this
point
in
time
is
just
ensuring
that
those
attorneys
that
are
in-house
are
employees
at
the
county.
There's
better
oversight
of
those
attorneys
in
the
county.
They
will
have
more
time
to
dedicate
to
these
defendants.
The
Michigan
indigent
defense
counsel
guidelines
have
in
fact,
been
conditionally
approved
by
the
Supreme
Court.
So
we
do.
S
P
If
we
wait
to
do
it
all
until
the
last
minute,
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge,
and
at
least
this
way,
if
we
have
the
attorneys
in-house
and
working
in
house
and
able
to
gauge
what
their
abilities
are
and
and
where
they
best
fit
in
the
office
will
be
much
sooner.
Transition
to
come
together
put
together
the
plan
that
we
need
to
put
together
for
the
state.
Of
course,
it
with
the
courts,
input
and
then
submit
those
written
guidelines
to
the
state.
P
K
P
If
the
actual
intent,
when
we
first
brought
this
this
before
the
board
was
not
necessarily
that
the
state
was
going
to
reimburse
us
for
this,
there
was
it
was.
It
was
a
positive
side
effect,
hey
and
there's
a
possibility.
The
state
may
reimburse
us
isn't
that
great.
The
thought
was
independent
of
the
Michigan
indigent
defense
counsel,
that
this
was
the
better
way
to
proceed
and
go
back
from
this
pilot
project
that
we
did
have
for
a
number
of
years
and
go
back
to
the
original
formulation
that
we
had
originally
had.
P
L
:,
thank
you
and
I.
Don't
think
anybody
could
set
it
any
better
than
amber
just
kind
of
refresh
our
memory
we
already
approved
to
go
back
and
bring
those
attorneys
in-house
and
I.
Think
personally,
we
have
better
control
of
our
own
employees
in
contracting
I've,
never
been
a
big
proponent
contract
anything
else
and
we're
paying
for
the
cost
of
a
sign
counsel
for
the
indigent
folks
right
now,
and
we
will
continue
to
pay
so
I
think
that
what
we're
going
to
do
is
set
a
public
hearing.
L
P
P
Do
you
want
to
put
in
the
cost-saving
measure
of
splitting
the
office
into
so
we
can
avoid
those
conflicts,
otherwise
we're
going
to
be
paying
more
money
to
outside
attorneys
that
we
have
to
assign
the
matters
out
to
and
the
reason
that
we
need
that
public
hearing
is
just
because
under
act
139
whenever
you
have
a
reorganization
of
a
department,
you
have
to
have
a
public
hearing.
In
order
to
do
that
sounds.
J
That's
just
the
way
business
is
done.
So,
if
we're
having
find
another
subcontractor,
maybe
we
need
to
look
for
a
different
one,
but
with
that
we
are
saving
weight
around
80
to
$1,000
a
year
with
the
person
system.
Now,
if
we
burn
things
back
into
the
house,
if
we
have
a
conflict
of
interest
within
our
newly
formed
Department
and
we
have
to
hire
outside
counsel
which
cost
more
money
correct,
we're.
P
J
P
Public
hearing
again
is
only
required
by
law
to
determine
the
reorganization
of
the
office.
Even
if
you
don't
realize
the
office,
the
issues
that
are
in
front
of
you
today
will
still
need
to
eat,
decided
on
the
decision
to
bring
the
attorneys
back
in-house
and
phase
out
of
the
contract
has
already
been
voted
on.
It's
not
an
issue,
that's
before
the
board.
Next
week.
P
P
P
And
I
do
want
I
do
want
to
clarify.
Something
else
is
that
you
brought
up
with
the
subcontract
and
that
it's
true
in
many
businesses
you
can
say
if
you
have
a
problem
with
the
subcontractor
you
go
and
talk
to
the
subcontractor.
The
difficulty
that
we
have
in
this
particular
situation
is
there
is
no
oversight
of
the
subcontractor,
because
you
have
indigent
criminal
defendants
who
don't
know
whether
or
not
they're
receiving
the
service
that
they
are
supposed
to
receive
or
not.
I
am
not
disparaging
any
of
the
contract.
Attorneys
I
think
that
they're
fine
attorneys.
P
That's
not
the
issue
here,
I'm.
What
what
I
am
saying
is
that
if
you
have
a
separate
contract
that
is
not
being
overseen
by
anyone
other
than
the
attorneys
that
have
the
contract,
the
only
way
that
you
know
it's
not
working
is,
if
you
receive
complaints
from
the
indigent
defendants
who
don't
know
whether
they're
getting
the
service
that
they're
supposed
to
get
or
not.
P
You
have
no
department
director
to
oversee
the
employee
to
know
if
there
is
a
complaint,
because
again
it's
a
contracted
service
and
the
attorneys
that
we
have
on
staff
are
supervising
felonies
and
they're
dealing
with
the
felonies.
They
don't
deal
with
the
indigent
defendants
who
are
being
represented
on
the
misdemeanors
I.
Understand
you
paying
more
money
to
defend
potential
criminal
defendants
is
not
a
popular
position.
People
want
their
tax
dollars
suspended
in
the
most.
You
know
useful
way
possible.
In
fact,
I
agree.
However,
it
is
a
constitutional
right
of
those
particular
criminal
defendants.
P
Think
we'll
better
adequately
address
that
need
that's
constitutionally
mandated,
especially
when
you
consider
the
fact
that
the
additional
guidelines
that
are
going
to
come
down
from
the
Michigan
contingent.
Defense
counsel
are
at
some
point
in
time
in
this
town,
where
you're
going
to
need
to
be
implemented,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
easier
to
implement
them.
If
we
have
attorneys
in-house,
as
opposed
to
attorneys
on
contract.
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M
Q
M
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Q
Q
A
You
had
mentioned
activity
I'm
very,
very,
very
happy
to
report
that
the
activity
at
the
Bay
City
State
Recreation
Area
with
young
adults-
it's
just
been
awesome
so
far,
even
though
Mother
Nature
hasn't
been
the
best
with
northeastern
winds.
The
kids
seem
to
like
the
wave
action,
so
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
disturbance
of
soil
and
it's
good
to
hear
that
the
beach
has
been
in
great
shape
and
there
hasn't
been
into
closures.
Well,.
Q
A
A
Q
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The
reason
we're
both
public
agencies,
the
Health
Department
and
Saginaw
Valley
State
University
and
we're
Monday
through
Friday,
but,
like
I,
said,
if
we
have
to
go
out
on
a
weekend,
we
will
go
out
on
a
weekend
to
test
the
beach,
but
generally,
what
we've
seen
so
far
is
that
there
are
crowds
just
about
every
day
there.
So
that's
a.
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Q
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A
A
Good
recommendation
for
appointments
to
the
Great
Lakes
Bay,
Michigan,
Works,
Workforce,
Development
Board
of
Directors
for
Prosperity
region,
5,
Jeff,
Amanda
I,
believe,
is
whether
this
and
Chris
Taylor
the
resolution
2016
162.
What
is
your
pleasure
come
support?
Any
discussions
with
done,
although
the
paper
said
no
by
saying
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
thank
you,
Mr
curry,
let's
move
into
unfinished
businesses
or
anything
else
that
needs
to
be
discussed.
That's
on
somebody's
mind
if
not
how
about
new
business
miscellaneous
mr.
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Is
it
today
the
sick,
14
14,
11
days
from
today
a
week
from
Saturday's
dent
Daniel
Beach
Wallace
coming
very
good.
We've
had
a
meeting
with
the
nd
asked
about
an
Ernie
and
myself
and,
as
everybody
has
said,
the
beach
is
phenomenal.
I
think
mother,
nature
helped
us
out,
but
the
last
14
years
of
a
lot
of
hard
work
is
enhanced
that
as
well
and
one
thing,
an
attorney,
you're
gonna
you're,
going
to
be
grooming,
that
and
every
year
that
Beach
looks
great
fabulous
and
the
water
quality
is
is
so
much
nicer.
L
A
Not
only
does
he
donate
his
time,
but
up
until
lately,
when
he
finally
got
some
donations,
his
own
equipment
and
gas
came
out
of
his
own
pocket,
so
he's
he's
truly
an
asset
to
Bay,
County
and
I'm.
Glad
that
you
brought
his
name
up
because
he
does
a
lot
of
stuff
behind
the
scenes
and
it's
time
for
us.
The
two
does
want
a
little
bit
this
Pineridge
right,
yes,
newly
known
as
the
soldiers
image.
Is
it
okay,
very
good,
any
other
miscellaneous
Commissioner
de
Rancho.
V
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M
Commissioner
Herrick
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I,
just
won
all
the
folks
ought
to
know
that
at
Discovery
preserve
on
Euclid
Avenue,
but
next
to
division
aging.
They
just
added
a
new
playground
and
it's
all,
but
it's
it's
no
metal
that
you
know
it's
like
logs
and
stuff
like
that,
the
way
it
should
be
and
they
will
be
opening
that
to
the
public
on
the
17th
which
is
brighter
so
I'll
brand-new
would
be
just
something
they
put
in
there.
Those
guys
have
worked
really
hard
the
last
month.
Getting
this
thing
ready.
M
Grandparents
to
take
their
grandkids,
to
which
I
do
and
kids
love
it
up
there
you
see
how
Earth's
all
kinds
of
wildlife
so
I
said
dear
run
through
the
tubes
and
I'm
the
old
golf
course,
and
one
of
the
thing
the
big
Community
Foundation,
you
know
they
still
meet
and
and
I
there's
a
community
that
meets
steering
three.
That
means
that
I,
myself
and
Laura
are
and
the
county
executive
mr.
Hickman
resign,
and
you
know
we're
really.
They
people
think
that
you
know
that
they
just
let
things
happen
and
they
don't.
M
They
don't
happen
without
involvement
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
a
lot
of
community
members
and
businessmen
that
are
involved
with
steering
committee
and
they're
really
working
hard
to
make.
You
know
Bay
County
a
place
to
go.
Much
like
you
guys
do
on
the
beach.
You
know
I
mean
that's,
that's
that
they
would.
We
know
the
waters,
our
biggest
our
biggest
resource
and
it's
bringing
people
back.
You
know
it's
people
are
going
to
discover
it.
They're
gonna
be
up
there,
they're
gonna
be
camping
and
they
all
right.
M
A
M
Something
I
do
every
day
in
the
summertime.
We
want
something
to
do,
there's
something
going
on
every
day:
Komets,
it's
and
there's
illness
everywhere.
I
mean
it's
a
great
place.
You
know
you
can
start
at
7:00
in
the
morning
and
then
go
all
the
way.
Till
night
you
can
watch
my
someplace
to
go
someplace
different
to
see
you
know
it's
it's!
You
know,
I've
been
here
my
whole
life,
as
many
of
you
have,
and
it's
I
love
it
here.
You
know
it's
just
this
home
and
that's
I'm
sure
it's
always
gonna
be
on.
A
Any
other
announcements.
That
being
said,
we
have
a
couple
appointments
coming
up
in
October
or
land
bank
Authority,
one
local
unit
of
government
representative.
It's
a
three-year
term.
Currently
Richard
Bern
dick
Bernie's
is
on
there
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services
Board
of
Directors
get
a
one
three-year
term.
Thomas
start
father
is
serving
that
position
and
then
in
December
division
on
Aging,
Advisory
Committee
for
two-year
terms
and
districts.
Two
four
six
and
one
at
large,
miss
amber
is
there
need
for
a
closed
session.
There.