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A
My
name
is
Brandon
Schroeder
I
work
with
Michigan
State,
University
Extension
and
in
the
Michigan
Sea
Grant
Program.
Our
program
is
all
about
exactly
what
we're
doing
tonight.
Our
program
is
about
connecting
Great
Lakes
research,
supporting
Great,
Lakes
research
and
science
and
connecting
that
with
communities
and
making
that
research
and
science
useful
and
communities
like
our
Saginaw
Bay
communities
here
so
I'm
excited.
A
This
is
our
first
of
four
regional
Lake
Huron
Fisheries
workshops,
we're
kicking
off
right
here
and
Standish
on
the
topic
of
Saginaw
Bay,
largely
we'll
be
heading
to
the
thumb-2
bad
acts
next
week
and
then
up
to
Rogers
City
the
week
after
and
why
endure
our
Series
in
Cedarville
and
should
have
four
great
conversations
about
connecting
science
and
research
with
our
communities
on
the
topic
of
you
know,
valuing
and
protecting
and
enjoying
our
Great
Lakes
fisheries.
So
I
want
to
welcome
everybody
to
tonight.
A
Thank
you
guys
for
taking
time
out
of
your
busy
evenings
to
join
us
for
an
evening
of
talking
fish.
It's
a
beautiful
evening,
there's
probably
lots
of
other
things
we
could
be
doing,
but
this
is
a
great
excuse
to
be
inside
and
chat
about
our
wonderful
fisheries.
So
the
way
I
look
at
this
workshop
is
this
is
a
broad
spectrum.
This
is
a
pulse
check.
A
It's
also
a
great
opportunity
to
ask
questions,
and
it's
also
a
great
opportunity
to
share
input
and
observations
that
you
guys
have
seen
as
anglers
in
the
field.
So
it's
not
just
a
pulse
check
and
learning
and
listening,
but
it's
also
a
chance
to
interact
directly
it's
a
unique
opportunity
to
interact
directly
with
a
variety
of
researchers
and
managers,
and
it's
a
networking
opportunity
right,
a
chance
to
have
a
nice
conversation
as
we
move
through
the
evening.
So
I'll
try
to
moderate
us.
A
We
have
lots
of
presentations,
I'll
try
to
keep
us
on
track,
but
we'll
also
try
to
leave
some
space
first.
Some
conversation
in
the
cracks
so
I
want
to
thank
in
advance
as
the
evening
gets
long.
It's
hard
to
say
thank
yous
all
at
the
end,
so
I
want
to
I
want
to
do
my
thank-yous
at
the
front.
This
is
this
effort.
This
were
these
workshops
are
truly
a
collaborative
effort.
A
Could
not
do
this
workshop
without
the
content
that
they
prepared
to
share
a
lot
of
information
summarized
and
just
too
into
just
a
few
hours
in
terms
of
our
community
partners.
The
Saginaw
Bay
walleye
Club
has
been
amazing
and
helping
us
get
this
workshop
in
the
Saginaw
Bay
area
off
the
ground
and
making
sure
that
people
show
up
getting
the
word
out.
So
folks
can
take
advantage
of
a
great
educational
evening,
the
tribes
in
this
facility.
This
is
an
amazing
facility.
I'm
excited
to
be
here
and
appreciate
them.
A
Having
us
they've
opened
the
space
to
us
at
no
cost
me
allowing
us
to
have
this
workshop
free
and
open
to
the
public
and
in
other
organizations
like
the
Michigan
charter
boat,
Association,
the
Michigan
steel
headers,
a
lot
of
other
sport
fishing
groups
that
have
contributed
along
the
way
and
in
particular,
I
want
to
do
introduce
Frank
Crist.
The
DNR
has
Lake
Huron
citizen
fishery,
Advisory,
Committee
and
I
look
at
their
advisory
committee
as
my
advisory
committee.
That
advisory
committee
meets
several
times
throughout
the
year
and
I.
A
B
Thank
you,
Thank
You
Brandon,
the
Lake
Huron
citizen
by
Zuri
committee.
I,
know
some
of
you
know
this
because
I
tend
all
these
meetings
each
year,
but
we're
a
group
of
concerned
citizens
that
are
interested
in
the
lake
here
on
fishery.
We
have
port
representatives
representatives
from
organizational
all
across
the
state.
B
What's
really
interesting
as
we
meet
at
least
four
times
a
year
with
the
DNR
biologists
managers,
others
on
the
staff,
but
we
also
meet
just
like
Brandon
said
regularly,
with
representatives
from
the
United
States
Geological
Great
Lakes,
Science,
Center
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service,
the
United
States
Department
of
Agriculture
wildlife
services.
We
have
representatives
from
the
Michigan
State
University,
Lake,
State,
University,
on
and
on
and
on,
and
it's
really
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
see
the
best
information
that's
being
done
on
the
lakes,
and
then
we
recommend
to
the
DNR
various
management
options.
B
What
I
really
like
to
do
because
of
Theresa
and
I?
My
wife
we
go
to
all
the
workshops
is
to
hear
your
input
after
the
presentations
were
always
interested
and
what
the
people
at
the
very
locations
along
the
lake
are
interested
were
especially
work
closely
with
brand
and
Sea
Grant.
He
helps
us
to
bring
this
information
out
to
you.
The
public,
Thank
You
Brandon.
A
So
thanks
Frank
and
again,
this
is
a
conversation,
so
we're
taking
notes
from
information
you
share
in
our
direction
and
we'll
show
that
back
with
those
advisors,
as
Frank
said,
and
then
of
course
you
you
guys
are
all
partners
you
show
up
took
an
evening
out
of
your
night.
We
don't
have
this
workshop
if
you
guys
don't
show
up
right.
So
we
appreciate
you
finding
value
in
this
and
coming
to
participate
as
a
part
of
the
conversation
and
for
folks
that
haven't
made
it
this
evening.
A
I
wanted
to
thank
some
of
our
media
partners,
in
particular
Bay
TV
who's
recording
this
evening
and
going
to
rebroadcast
rebroadcast
and
share
the
information
tonight
with
folks
that
weren't
able
to
make
the
conversation
at
night.
So
with
that
I'm
gonna
get
us
started
again.
You
don't
listen
to
me.
Talk
all
night,
there's
a
couple
logistical
housekeeping
things:
bathrooms
are
most
important
or
just
outside
of
the
door.
A
We
will
have
a
brief
break,
but
make
yourself
at
home
if
you
need
to
use
the
restrooms,
get
a
drink
of
water
step,
feel
free
to
step
out
to
the
back.
There
is
a
sign
she
that
I
will
pass
along
the
tables
as
the
evening
progresses.
Please
sign
in
the
only
time,
I'm
using
that
information
is
to
send
you
a
workshop
reminder,
either
by
email
or
US
mail
next
year.
Hopefully
some
of
you
got
that
this
year
there
were
a
couple
handouts
in
the
back.
A
One
is
a
civil
rights
forum
and
the
other
is
an
evaluation
that
I'll
reference
a
couple
times
throughout
the
evening.
I
hope
you
picked
them
up.
If
you
need
a
pencil
there's
some
extra
golf
pencils
in
the
back,
you
can
use
for
a
golf
game
after
you're
done,
but
the
civil
rights
compliance
that
is
really
just
us
saying
because
we're
a
taxpayer
funded.
A
We
want
to
make
sure
that
everything
we
do
through
MSU
Extension
is
open
to
everybody
and
anybody
for
any
reason
whatsoever,
and
we
make
an
honest
effort
to
make
sure
our
educational
materials
are
out
there
as
publicly
as
possible,
and
so
that's
just
the
government's
way
of
making
sure
we're
doing
our
honest,
honest
best
to
get
that
done.
So
if
you
would
fill
in
some
of
that,
demographic
information
totally
voluntary,
but
we
would
certainly
appreciate
it
the
evaluation.
A
We
would
certainly
appreciate
that's
kind
of
a
reflection
of
how
we'll
think
about
improving
these
workshops
next
year,
there's
a
front
page
to
the
back
page
that
you'll
get
to
do
the
front
page
before
the
break
and
the
back
page
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
I'll
explain
as
we
go
through
so
with
that
I'm
gonna.
Kick
us
off
and
I'd
like
to
start
so.
A
C
D
C
Right,
thank
you.
Everybody
hear
me
all
right
cool,
so
my
name
is
Andrew
Briggs
I'm,
a
relatively
new
fish
biologist
with
Michigan
DNR,
started
this
last
August
today,
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
what
we've
been
seeing
in
our
Saginaw
Bay
trawl
surveys.
So
I'm
going
to
summarize
what
we
saw
in
2017
and
then
compare
that
to
what
we've
seen
historically,
since
our
surveys
began
back
in
1970.
C
Special
interest
is
to
monitor
the
response
of
the
fish
community
to
management
actions
and
management
species
are
a
non-native
species.
So,
besides
our
charles
survey
there's
also
a
gill
net
survey
which
are
Alpina's
office.
They
leave
that
and
also
we
get
a
lot
of
assistance
from
our
certain
like
here
on
management
unit
to
complete
our
survey.
C
So,
as
mentioned,
we
use
trawling
gear
and
this
gear,
as
you
can
see
here,
surveys
the
bottom
zone
of
the
water
column,
so
we're
targeting
these
benthic
species.
However,
we
do
catch
some
pelagic
species
when
we
deploy
and
retrieve
the
gear.
So
even
though
it's
not
targeting
those
species,
we
do
have
an
opportunity
to
see
kind
of
what's
going
on
with
those
species
as
well.
One
issue
with
using
these
trials
is
that
debris
can
be
an
issue
like
lot
rocks
and
large
logs.
C
C
So
what
I
got
here
is
our
2015
Falls
for
all
locations
and
I'm,
showing
you
2015
just
because
in
2016
our
distribution
of
our
sites
changed.
So
you
can
see.
Overall,
we
have
Saginaw
Bay
divided
into
four
quadrants
and
we'd,
say
I'm
pulled
at
two
sites
per
quadrant,
so
you
see.
Can
we
get
you
can
see?
We
have
two
sites
and
the
102
of
the
202
and
the
300s
and
two
and
the
400s.
Now
each
one
of
these
sites,
we
did
three
trials,
but
we
decided
we
wanted
better
spatial
coverage
in
the
bay.
C
So
in
2016
we
increase
the
amount
of
site
so
now
we're
sampling
at
six
locations
with
these
when
it
within
each
quadrant
we're
only
doing
one
toe
so
we're
doing
the
same.
Mod
total
toe
is
24,
but
we're
getting
better
spatial
coverage
getting
into
our
data.
Here's
our
water
temperature
trends
we've
seen
over
time.
C
You
can
see
if
in
2017
we
were
above
our
average
water
temperature
that
we've
been
seeing
since
1987
and
in
14
in
the
last
16
years,
which
is
this
this
red
box
here
we've
had
seen
water
temperatures
over
the
average
and
we
have
a
similar
trend
with
our
water
clarity.
We
use
a
second
disc
to
measure
water
clarity
out
in
Saginaw
Bay.
C
What
this
is,
if
you
haven't
seen
one
it's
a
black
and
white
disc,
we
lower
that
into
the
water
until
we
can
no
longer
see
it
and
then
record
at
which
step
that
occurred
and
it's
a
similar
trend.
You
can
see
again
2017
we're
above
our
long-term
average
and
in
10
of
the
last
11
years.
We've
been
up
over
this
this
average
and
a
lot
of
this
may
have
to
do
with
the
quagga
and
zebra
mussels
which
have
invaded
all
the
Great
Lakes.
C
Getting
to
our
species,
composition,
2017,
you
can
see
mimic
shiners,
trout,
perch
and
yellow
perch
made
up
the
majority
of
our
trout
catch.
This
is
a
little
different
from
2016.
Last
year
we
had
trout
per
to
mimic
shiner.
They
just
switched
place
from
2016
to
17,
but
in
2016
white
perch
are
one
of
the
major
species
that
we
caught
and
you
can
see
this
year,
white
perch
were
only
3
percent
of
our
total
catch.
C
C
So
you
can
get
a
better
idea
of
what's
what's
going
on
with
these
species,
I'm
gonna
start
with
our
soft
great
benthic
forage
species.
We
get
our
spot
tail,
shiners,
trout,
perch
round
goby
and
mimic
shiner,
starting
with
spot
tail
shiner.
You
can
see
that
historically,
this
was
a
pretty
common
species
that
we'd
encounter.
However,
in
recent
years
it's
really
dropped
off,
particularly
in
the
last
four
years.
C
This
last
year
we
did
see
a
slight
increase
or
2016,
but
it's
still
well
below
our
long-term
average
of
over
500
over
400
fish
per
trawl
and
we're
at
about
27
fish
per
trawl.
Currently
looking
at
trout,
perch,
you
can
see,
especially
in
recent
years,
we've
been
catching
these
pretty
commonly.
We
did
see
a
decently
sized
decrease
this
last
field
season.
However,
it's
still
above
the
long-term
average
round
goby.
These
were
first
encountered
in
our
trawls
back
in
1999
right
here
and
they've
been
pretty
pretty
high.
C
Ever
since
then
this
year
we
saw
a
slight
decrease,
but
this
is
us,
the
slight
decrease
and
it's
a
long-term
average
still.
But
if
you
only
look
at
the
years
since
they've
appeared
in
our
trawls,
so
from
1999
on
that's
below
the
average
by
quite
a
bit,
so
the
long-term
average
sensitive
appeared
is
about
212
fish.
This
year
we
caught
108
moving
on
to
mimic
shiner.
This
is
another
species
that
we're
seeing
more
commonly.
Now
this
year
we
had
a
slight
decrease
from
2016,
but
overall
its
above
the
long-term
average.
C
So
now
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
our
the
pelagic
species
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
these
are
species
that
we
don't
that
our
trial
gear
isn't
the
best
set
of
a
measuring
abundance.
However,
we
can
get
an
idea
of
what's
going
on
at
these
species,
so
I'm
gonna
talk
about
gizzard,
shad,
alewife,
rainbow
smelt
and
emerald
shiner,
starting
with
rainbow
smelt.
C
This
is
a
species
that
really
collapsed
in
2003
and
ever
since
then
they've
been
virtually
absent
and
start
from
our
trawls.
This
year
we
did
see
an
increase
in
our
trial
catch
of
Elway.
We
captured
one
to
zero,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
call
it
a
comeback,
but
there's
there
was
one
fish
they're
moving
on
to
gizzard
shad,
we
catch
these
fairly
regularly
and
at
a
pretty
consistent
catch
rate.
These
are
a
very
important
species
for
walleye
there,
while
I
tend
to
prey
on
gizzard
shad.
C
This
year
we
saw
a
nice
increase
in
our
gizzard
shad
catch
more
than
doubled,
and
it
was
above
the
long-term
average
emerald
shiner.
This
is
an
important
species
for
the
baitfish
industry.
We
saw
an
increase
in
those
as
well.
This
year,
increased
from
3
per
trawl
and
2016
16.
This
last
yield
season,
which
is
just
above
our
long-term
average.
C
Lastly,
my
talk
about
our
spiny
red
forage
species,
so
we
got
a
white
perch
and
yellow
perch,
starting
with
yellow
perch
on
2017.
We
saw
a
slight
increase
from
about
115
per
toe
to
158.
However,
this
is
below
our
long-term
average,
but
one
thing
you'll
notice
is
we
have
this
this
huge
peak
here
in
2003,
and
if
you
were
to
remove
that,
that
year
is
an
outlier
we're
actually
above
the
long-term
average.
So
without
that
you're
the
long-term
average
would
be
125,
and
this
year
we
captured
158
white
perch.
C
This
is
one
that
we've
seen
since
the
mid
to
late
1980s,
and
really
this
year
we
saw
a
big
decline
in
our
yellow
earning
our
white
perch
catch,
and
this
is
a
big
reason
why
we
saw
a
decrease
in
our
forage
index
that
we
saw
this
year.
So
last
year
we
caught
about
350
per
toe
and
this
year
only
35,
and
this
is
well
below
the
long-term
average.
C
So
just
to
give
you
guys
a
summary
and
go
through
all
the
species
and
look
at
their
change
from
2016
and
then
compared
to
the
long-term
average,
so
a
spot
tail
shiner
they
increase
from
last
year,
but
it's
overall
well
below
the
long-term
average.
That's
why
we've
got
double
arrows
here
for
well
below
trout,
perch
declined
quite
a
bit
in
2016,
but
still
above
that
long-term
average
round
goby
went
down
from
2016
and
is
well
below
what
we've
seen
since
we
they
invaded
in
1999
mimic
shiner.
C
They
went
down
this
year
but
went
up
compared
to
the
long-term
average
or
above
the
long-term
average,
both
rainbow
smell
and
alewife.
They
were
about
the
same
as
last
year,
but
are
well
below
their
long-term
averages.
Gizzard
shad,
an
emerald
shiner
both
went
up
from
2016
and
are
both
above
the
long-term
average
young
of
your
yellow
perch.
They
went
up
from
2016,
but
we're
below
the
long-term
average
and
then
white
perch
weren't
down
quite
a
bit
in
2016
and
we're
well
below
the
long-term
average.
E
F
C
The
spiny
water
flea,
so
there
are
so
we're
not
I'm,
not
really
sure
what
the
prey
for
the
forage
is
like
out
there,
but
I
mean
it's:
it's
possible.
I
know,
dry,
scented,
mussels
have
really
filtered
the
water
out
and
that's
impacting
what's
available
to
to
the
fish,
but
as
far
as
specifically
the
spiny
waterflea
I'm,
not
sure
how
they're
affecting
it.
C
D
A
G
Alright,
so
the
objectives
of
this
study
are,
first
and
foremost,
to
investigate
the
changes
in
the
predator-prey
relationships
since
the
last
study
that
was
done
between
2009
and
2011.
So
some
of
the
specific
things
we
want
to
look
at
our
lake
wide
have
chinook
salmon
change
their
diet
from
a
wife
and
rainbow
smelt
which
they
have
historically
kept.
Have
how
have
round
goby
been
incorporated
into
the
food
webs.
We
want
to
see
if
they're
in
more
of
the
stomach's
than
they
were
in
the
past.
G
One
of
the
things
we're
gonna
be
doing
with
this
data
is
provide
it
or
provide
proportions
of
diets
for
biotin
of
the
DNR's
bioenergetics
model.
So
they
can
estimate
consumption
and
we'd
also
like
to
compare
angler
caught
lake
trout
diets
to
some
of
the
lake
trout
diets
from
some
of
the
DNR's
and
USGS
surveys.
G
So
when
we
collect
stomachs,
we're
using
a
lot
of
citizen
science,
so
volunteer
anglers
have
been
helping
us
bring
in
a
lot
of
stomachs.
So
we
get
the
network
set
up
at
last
year's
Sea
Grant
workshops
and
we're
hoping
to
continue
expanding
that
Network
this
year.
So
we'll
actually
have
some
collection
kits
to
provide
you
with
at
the
break.
But
I
can
tell
you
more
about
those
later.
G
The
DNR
creel
clerks
and
the
Fish
and
Wildlife
hide
hunters
will
be
collecting
stomachs,
and
we
will
also
be
going
to
a
couple
of
the
high-traffic
cleaning
stations
such
as
the
one
in
Lynwood
to
grab
more
stomachs,
so
we're
trying
to
collect
as
many
as
we
can
and
when
we
get
them
and
we
bring
them
back
into
the
lab.
We
start
off
by
identifying
the
fish
or
the
prey
fish,
so
we
identified
them
the
species.
G
It's
not
always
easy,
as
you
can
see,
they
get
pretty
decomposed
and
you
can't
identify
I'm
just
on
site
a
lot
at
the
time.
So
we
use
the
clay
thorough,
which
is
a
bone
that
connects
the
pectoral
fin
to
the
rest
of
the
body
and
we'll
use
odourless,
which
are
the
fish
ear
bones,
and
so
that's
what
we
use
a
lot
of
the
time
to
identify
them
in
terms
of
invertebrates.
We
identify
them
to
order
so
like
just
as
far
as
mayfly.
G
So
I've
got
some
of
the
preliminary
results.
From
last
summer,
we've
looked
at
almost
$700
that
we
collected
out
of
those
forty
percent
have
been
empty,
but
we
were
able
to
get
stomachs
from
all
the
way
up
and
detour
and
although,
as
far
south
as
Harbor
Beach
are
the
ones
we've
looked
at
so
far,
and
so
for
some
of
the
results,
I'm
gonna
be
calling
these
ones
up.
G
Here
are
gonna,
be
the
northern
Lake
Huron
from
lighthouse
park
and
Harbor
Beach
are
gonna,
be
southern
later
on,
and
then
the
ones
we've
collected
from
Lynnwood
I'm
gonna
label,
as
Saginaw
Bay,
so
for
northern
Lake
Erie
on
we've
had
43
chinook,
157
lake
trout
and
22
walleye
for
a
total
of
222
fish.
Since
that
we've
looked
at
so
far
from
southern
Lake
Huron
we've
had
22
lake
trout
and
seven
walleye,
so
only
a
total
of
29
and
from
Saginaw
Bay
we've
had
390
walleye
all
from
Lynnwood.
G
G
We
found
seven
different
items
in
Chinook,
18
in
lake
trout
and
23
in
walleye,
so
total
27
different
prey
items
that
we
have
identified
overall
so
far,
so
here
are
some
of
the
prey
proportions
by
what
mass
so
in
Northern
Lakes
here
on
Lake
Chinook
have
had
over
60
percent
of
alewife
in
their
guts
and
they've
had
right.
Around
20
percent
of
rainbow
smelt,
lake
trout
had
been
primarily
round
goby.
We
have
seen
a
lot
of
round
goby
in
those
leaked
out
as
well
as
quite
a
few
rainbow
smelt.
G
Think
we
found
one
round
goby
in
the
Saginaw
Bay
walleye,
and
we
found
quite
a
few
mayflies
and
other
invertebrates
as
well
since
we're
here
questions
at
the
end,
please.
So,
since
we're
here,
I
hit
the
Saginaw
Bay
workshop
I
figured
I'd
split
these
up
a
little
bit
for
you
guys
to
see.
So.
We've
got
four
months
that
we
have
data
for
for
the
Saginaw
Bay
walleye
in
June.
You
can
see,
they
primarily
a
excuse
me
and
June.
G
They
were
primarily
eating
invertebrates,
so
those
were
mainly
mayflies,
hexa
genea,
but
the
primary
fish
they
were
eating
was
yellow.
Perch
you
get
to
July
and
they're
died,
is
over
70%,
yellow
perch
and
that
kind
of
stays
throughout
August
and
then
at
September.
It
decreases
a
little
bit
on
the
yellow,
perch
and
increases
with
the
gizzard
shad.
G
So
we're
seeing
a
little
bit
of
a
seasonal
pattern
here
with
the
fish
and
since
there's
so
many
invertebrates
that
we've
seen,
especially
in
June
and
July,
we
broke
those
up
as
well
and
you
can
see
in
June
there
were
a
lot
of
mayflies
July,
that
kind
of
switched
to
the
spiny
water
flea
in
August.
That
was
also
the
spiny
waterflea,
with
an
increase
in
dicta,
so
a
lot
of
midges
and
then
in
September
there
weren't
very
many
invertebrates,
so
there's
a
lot
of
just
kind
of
terrestrial
bugs
that
we
saw.
G
So
we
also
compared
the
data
from
2017
to
the
data
from
the
previous
study
for
Saginaw
Bay.
So
you
can
see
that
we've
got
pretty
close
to
the
same
amount
of
perch
as
we
found
in
the
previous
in
2009
and
2010.
2011
was
a
little
bit
of
an
anomaly,
but
it's
pretty
similar
to
the
two
years
before
that
two
of
the
big
differences
between
2017
and
2009
through
2011,
or
we
didn't
find
any
round
goby
where
we
found
the
one
where
you
see
in
2009.
They
still
had
about
20%
round
goby
in
2010.
G
G
So
some
of
our
preliminary
conclusions,
chinook,
are
still
eating
a
wife
and
rainbow
smelt.
So
that's
kind
of
what
we
expected
lake
trout
are
eating
a
lot
of
round
goby,
it's
quite
a
few
more
than
there
were
in
the
previous
study
in
Saginaw.
Bay
walleye
are
eating
a
lot
of
yellow
perch.
There
are
some
seasonal
patterns
that
we
want
to
look
more
into
and
there
are
more
invertebrates
present
in
the
Saginaw
Bay
walleye.
G
G
So
when
you
catch
a
fish
and
you're
helping
to
donate
the
stomach,
we
would
appreciate
it
if
you
could
cut
just
behind
the
gills
and
make
sure
you
get
the
stomach
and
then
cut
it
after
the
intestine
or
in
the
middle
of
the
intestine
there,
and
then
we've
got
bags.
So
we
put
the
stomach
in
the
bag,
and
then
we
have
these
tags
that
go
with
it.
So
we
would
like
you
to
put
the
date
cot,
the
port.
G
You
fished,
the
species,
the
length
to
a
quarter
through
the
nearest
quarter
inch
and
when
we're
doing
the
length
we'd
like
you
to
get
from
the
nose
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
pinch
to
tail
mark
down.
If
the
adipose
fin
was
clipped
or
not,
if
you
have
a
trout
or
a
salmon
and
then
the
depth
of
the
water
would
be
useful
as
well.
G
The
tags
we
have
this
year
do
have
some
information
on
the
back
about,
if
you
forget
any
of
this
or
if
you
want
to
see
more
information,
we've
got
some
instructions
on
the
back
and
there's
more
data
tags
and
an
instructional
video
on
how
to
take
the
stomach
out
on
the
website.
That's
there
at
the
bottom.
G
We
do
have
a
Facebook
page.
So
if
you're
interested
in
seeing
pictures
of
what
we're
seeing
or
a
few
updates
feel
free
to
follow
that
and
with
that,
we've
got
bags
at
the
back
of
the
room
that
we'll
hand
out
at
the
break.
They're
gonna
have
some
tags
and
then
we'll
have
additional
bags,
for
you
make
sure
you
put
your
stomachs
in
the
bag,
not
your
fillets,
but
with
that
I
mean
I
would
like
them.
G
Yes,
but
through
the
study,
you
need
the
stomachs,
but
with
that
we'd
like
to
thank
everybody,
the
anglers
for
help
and
provide
the
stomachs
and
the
sport,
fishing
clubs,
the
Creole,
clerk's
tournament,
organizers
and
boat
ramp,
fish
cleaning
stations
for
access
to
the
fish,
USGS
GLC
or
GL
SC
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service.
The
many
lab
techs
we've
got.
The
DNR
and
then
USGS
Sisu
for
funding,
as
well
as
the
Saginaw
Bay
walleye
Club,
with
that
I'll,
take
any
questions.
H
I
J
G
H
G
G
H
G
D
A
A
And
I'll
say
you
know,
this
is
one
of
the
things
we
always
try
to
bring
to.
These
workshops
is
opportunity.
Citizen
science
opportunities
where
we
as
anglers
can
contribute
to
the
research
and
data
collection.
That's
out
there,
so
Katie
did
mention
she
has
some
collection
kits
that
are
in
the
back,
that
she'll
be
handing
out
at
the
break,
and
this
is
where
I'm
gonna
steal
your
sheet
here.
This
is
where
I'm
gonna
reference
the
two-page
evaluation.
Sorry
about
that
I
typed
them
in
big
fonts.
A
So
it's
not
like
there's
a
lot
of
questions,
but
the
front
page
is
the
evaluation
for
the
entire
workshop.
So
as
you
get
to
the
end
of
the
workshop
or
the
time
when
you
have
to
leave,
if
you
would
fill
that
front
page
out
at
the
very
least
I'd
very
much
appreciate
it
on
the
back
page,
there's
a
few
questions
about
the
Lakeshore
and
predator
diet
study
and
it
actually
says
later
I'm
pretty
dire
study,
a
few
questions,
and
it's
just
basically
asking
did
you
know
about
the
study
before
today.
A
Have
you
participated
in
the
past
and
some
reasons
why
you
may
or
may
not
have
participated
and
really
that's
just
help
Katie
and
the
research
team
better
think
about
how
do
we
connect
with
anglers?
One
of
the
exciting
things
for
me
is
they've
made.
The
research
team
has
made
a
commitment
to
bring
those
findings
back
to
us
right.
So
if
I'm
I'm
an
angler,
you
all
look
in
the
stomach's
right.
I
want
to
know
what
my
fish
are
eating.
A
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
see
a
bigger
picture
of
what
a
lot
more
fish
are
eating
beyond
the
creel
and
catch
that
we
bring
home
in
our
own
home
boat.
So
with
that,
we
appreciate
the
research
team,
then
I'm
sharing
the
research
tonight
and
making
opportunity
available
to
us
so
moving
us
along
we're
gonna
still
think
about
little
fish,
but
these
little
fish
have
the
potential
to
get
a
little
bit
bigger
Cisco
and
some
of
you
would
recognize
Cisco
they
going
by
the
name
of
Lake
hearing,
so
that
used
to
be
called
Lake
herring.
A
Now
we
just
call
them
Cisco
and
for
a
long
time
in
Lake
Huron,
when
a
old
wife
collapsed.
The
conversation
has
been
around
this
native
species
Cisco,
and
how
can
we
restore
potentially
restore
Cisco
populations
in
Lake
Huron?
We
think
they
have
a
lot
of
value
as
forage
fish.
We
also
think
they
have
a
lot
of
recreational
and
even
potential
commercial
value.
A
There's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
we
would
like
to
have
this
Navy
native
species
make
a
comeback
and
Lake
Huron,
so
many
agencies
have
been
talking
about
this
through
the
umbrella
of
the
Great
Lakes
Fisheries
Commission
by
Steve
Leonard
is
with
the
US
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service
made
the
trek
down
from
Alpena.
We
appreciate
that
and
he's
here
to
share
an
update
and
summary
of
the
Cisco
restoration
work
in
Lake
Huron,
but
in
the
context
of
Saginaw
Bay,
which
will
be
a
major
factor
in
that
Lake
wide
conversation.
M
Really
it's
it's
providing
some
additional
information
that
relates
to
an
initiative
that,
as
Brandon
indicated,
agencies
and
management
agencies
on
Lake
Huron
who
work
under
this
umbrella.
The
Great
Lakes
fishery
Commission
are
barking
and
that's
reintroduction
of
Cisco
and
also
Brandon
helped
out
by
giving
their
former
common
name,
which
is
Lake
herring,
so
I'm
actually
going
to
start
with
a
question
of
you.
So
how
many
of
you
have
ever
fished
for
Lake
herring?
M
Well,
excellent,
that's
more
hands
than
I
would
have
expected
so
excellent
cool.
So
some
of
you
have
some
good
familiarity
with
this,
with
this
animal
I'll
be
talking
about
so
as
a
mime
to
Steve
Leonard
with
the
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service
I'm
here
as
really
representing
this
group
of
technical
folks
who
have
been
working
on
this
issue
actually
for
some
time,
and
so
this
isn't
a
technical
presentation,
more
of
an
update
and
kind
of
what
we
are
embarking
on
and
why
Saginaw
Bay
is
is
a
big
part
of
that.
M
Okay,
so
a
bit
by
way
of
outline
so
I'll
start
by
talking
about
Cisco
what
they
are
and
why
we
should
give
a
rip
about
them,
a
little
bit
about
goals
and
objectives.
So
this
this
is
a
study.
So,
as
as
being
a
study,
we
are
laying
out
specific
objectives
that
we
want
to
evaluate
so
we'll
get
a
little
bit
into
that
and
then
provide
an
update
on
how
it's
going
on
the
culture
side.
M
So
this
is
kind
of
a
new
endeavor
for
the
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service,
certainly
and
bringing
these
animals
into
our
hatchery
system.
So
I'll
provide
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
that
in
what
that
initial
stocking
plan
should
look
like
and
then
a
little
bit
about
the
monitoring
and
evaluation
and
I
think
some
of
the
previous,
the
previous
two
presentations
provided
some
nice
backdrop
for
that.
M
Okay.
So
what
are
Cisco
there's,
also
known
as
or
formerly
known
as
Lake
herring,
so
they're
there
in
a
related
group
of
fishes.
Most
of
you
are
familiar
with
some
of
their
close
cousins.
They
include
lake
whitefish
and
as
well
as
bloater
and
as
well
as
a
group
of
what
we
think
of
as
a
deepwater
chubs,
the
most
of
which
are
at
least
as
a
group,
are
no
longer
present
and
Lake
Huron,
but
we
still
have
kind
of
remnant
stocks
of
those
in
Lake
Superior.
M
So
it's
a
group
of
fishes
that
that
all
are
in
this
same
genus
core
gona's,
so
they
were
once
the
dominant
prey
species
throughout
the
Great
Lakes,
and
so
those
populations
pretty
much
across
the
Great.
Lakes
crashed
around
the
middle,
the
20th
century
in
Lakes
Sharon
in
Michigan
little
earlier,
and
the
lower
lakes,
and
they
certainly
Cisco
populations
decline
in
Lake
Superior
as
well,
but
but
they
didn't
they've,
seen
some
rehabilitation
of
those
stocks
and
they
remain
self-sustaining
and
Lake
Huron.
M
So
this
is
one
box
we
kind
of
put
them
in
as
these
feeding
in
the
in
the
water
column
in
the
open
waters,
but
they
have
a
pretty
diverse
feeding,
ecology
across
the
lakes.
If
you
look
at
different
Cisco
populations,
but
I
think
that's
an
important
concept
from
in
terms
of
the
niches
that
are
potentially
available
to
them.
So
what
else
about
Cisco
they
spawn
in
at
least
in
in
many
areas
in
near
shore
waters
and
in
the
fall,
so
there
are
fall
spawning
species.
M
Ok,
so
a
little
bit
about
the
reasons
why
we
should
consider
restoration
program
francisco.
So
that's
most
of
these
are
about
resiliency
building
some
resiliency
in
in
the
pre
prey
base.
You
know
it's
a
pretty
diverse
prey
base
in
Saginaw
Bay
a
lot
of
different
bars
on
the
graph
there.
If
you
looked
out
in
expanded
that
to
the
to
the
broader
lake,
it's
a
much
less
diverse
system.
M
We
have
some
alewife
left
here
and
they're
rainbow
smelt,
loader
and
really
by
and
large,
that's
about
it
supporting
most
of
the
most
of
the
lakes
predators
outside
of
out
of
the
place
like
Saginaw
bass.
So
we
think
that
Cisco
really
can
provide.
You
know
hopefully
provide
you
know
additional
resiliency.
They
they
achieve
a
larger
body.
Size
I,
think
that
was
mentioned
as
well
per
and
might
have
even
mentioned
it.
M
So
they
can
outgrow
some
of
the
the
predator
predation
windows
and
at
least
the
smaller
predators
and
that's
important
concept,
because
that
means
you
can,
you
know,
potentially
have
a
brood
stock
that
that's
maintained.
We
think,
as
a
native
species,
Cisco
are
going
to
be
better
adapted
to
the
local
climate
in
environment.
They
have
less
interference
with
the
reproductive
reproduction
of
native
native
species
and
there's
also
the
aspect
potential
for
fishery.
M
So
those
of
you
who
have
fished
a
little
bit
for
Cisco
it's
a
bit
of
a
niche
fishery,
perhaps
but
certainly
that's
a
that's
an
added
benefit
and-
and
you
know
from
a
long-term
perspective
that
would
be
a
fan,
I
think
a
pretty
fantastic
outcome.
So
that's
a
little
bit
about
the
whys
that
we
think
that
embarking
and
Cisco
restoration
is
important
and
the
other
aspect
is
why
Saginaw
Bay,
so
Saginaw
Bay
was
probably
the
support.
M
The
largest
population
of
Cisco
back
historically
so
I
know
some
most
of
you
cannot
read
this
graph,
actually
I'm,
not
even
sure
that
I
can
so
I
know
you
can't,
let's
see
if
I
can
find
a
pointer
here
alright.
So
this
is
just
a
graph
that
shows
the
estimated
commercial
yield.
That's
historical
data,
that's
oftentimes!
What
we
have
available
to
us,
but
it's
a
good
indication
really
of
the
of
the
of
the
the
trends
in
in
populations
of
some
of
these
species
that
were
fished
commercially.
M
So
this
is
kind
of
the
overall
bars
represent
Cisco
commercial
Cisco
yield
from
Lake
Huron
and
then
the
white
part
of
the
bars
represents
that
proportion
that
is
estimated
to
have
come
from
Saginaw
Bay.
So
a
big
part
of
the
total
Lake,
oh
I'd
yield,
came
from
Saginaw
Bay,
so
large
spawning
populations.
You
see
in
that
I
mentioned
in
most
of
the
lakes.
Those
population
is
really
collapsed
by
the
by
the
mid,
mid
50s
and
it
have
remained
low.
So
what
else?
What
is
it
about?
Saginaw
Bay?
M
Probably
the
second
bullet
is,
is
one
of
the
key
considerations
and
that's
the
habitat
characteristics
we
think
there's
good
juvenile
habitat.
If,
if
that
remains,
then
we
think
there's
a
good
opportunity
for
for
fish
to
survive
and
find
resources.
The
other
good
part
about
Saginaw
Bay
and
in
a
little
bit
of
Andrew,
went
into
there.
We
do
have
routine
monitoring
surveys
that
we
can
use
for
evaluation.
So
that's
that's
a
bonus
as
well.
M
Okay,
so
I
mentioned
this
is
a
study
and
as
a
guiding
principle.
Essentially
what
what?
What
we're
saying
is
that
we
need
stocking
evaluation
in
order
to
a
guide
us
future
actions,
as
it
relates
to
Cisco
restoration
from
from
a
broader
perspective,
so
we're
starting
a
little
bit
small
kind
of
keeping
our
horizon
a
little
bit
smaller
now,
so
we
can
learn.
So
we
have
an
opportunity
to
learn
about
what
strategies
we
might
employ
and
and
monitoring
which
which
are
successful.
M
So
the
goal
is
to
see
if
whether
we
can
really
you
know,
establish
a
local
sac
of
Cisco
via
stocking.
You
know
in
terms
of
doing
this
on
a
large
scale
not
been
done,
certainly
recently,
with
at
least
with
modern
rearing
techniques.
So
the
focus
is
going
to
be
on
on
Saginaw
Bay,
for
the
reasons
I
indicated,
but
a
little
bit
of
what
we
do
know
about
Cisco
and
where
they
are,
we
certainly
have
Cisco
and
Lake
Huron,
and
the
circled
area
is
here
show
really
those
areas
where
we
have
the
most
information.
M
Probably-
and
this
includes
the
st.
Marys
River
system
into
the
North-
Channel
lay
snow
Islands
and
that's
probably
where
our
best
information
is
on
Cisco,
probably
one
of
the
areas
where
they're
they're
found
in
highest
numbers
and
then
place
like
Georgian
Bay,
we're
beginning
to
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
Cisco
populations
there
that
doesn't
mean
Cisco
are
completely
absent
from
the
rest
of
the
lake,
but
as
a
meaningful
part
of
the
fish
community.
M
Okay,
so
in
terms
of
objectives,
these
are
kind
of
the
primary
study
objectives
that
we
want
to
really
evaluate,
and
so
we
want
to
see
if,
first
and
foremost,
can
we
raise
them,
can
we
wear
them?
Can
we
stock
them?
Do
we
have
evidence
else
that
they'll
survive
right
so,
and
so
we
want
to
evaluate
their
survival
all
the
way
to
see.
M
If
we,
they
can
survive
to
maturity
so
to
a
reproductive
age,
and
so
what
the
other
part
of
that
is
is
we
want
to
evaluate
if
they
survive
to
maturity,
can
we
detect
them
returning
actually
to
the
areas
where
we
stocked
them?
Is
there?
Is
there
a
homing
mechanism
that
we
can
take
advantage
of
to
evaluate
that
part?
M
And,
of
course
you
know
from
a
longer-term
perspective
we
want
to
know
is
if
they
survive
maturity,
if
they,
if
they
mate,
do
they
produce
progeny,
and
so
that's
that's
another
element
of
the
objectives
and
and
then,
of
course,
taking
it
a
step
further,
do
we
have
wild
progeny
that
actually
will
then
mate
produce
Cisco,
so
those
are
kind
of
those
are
probably
stepwise.
The
evaluation
components
that
that
we're
looking
to
evaluate.
M
So
how
are
we
going
to
do
this?
Well,
first
and
foremost,
we
need
to
stock
fish
in
order
to
evaluate
that.
So
it's
currently
designed
as
a
10-year
evaluation,
we
had
an
initial
target
of
about
750,000
healings
and
that
was
partly
based
on
the.
What
we
thought
would
be
the
the
capacity
of
the
hatchery
system
and
so
we're
going
to
look
at
opportunities
of
whether
those
whether
higher
numbers
would
be
there
available
or
or
actually
something
that
would
eat
an
event
in
the
evaluation
component.
M
We're
also
looking
at
the
potential
to
look
at
early
in
late
late
stage,
life
stages,
so
kind
of
a
spring
fingerling
versus
a
fall
finger,
length
and
and
I
circled
kind
of
an
area
here
that
we
think
in
terms
of
stocking
locations.
So
we
have
an
interest
in
really
kind
of
integrating
a
variety
of
things
as
it
relates
to
where
we
stock
them
and
that's,
of
course,
preferred
juvenile
habitat.
The
proximity
to
potential
spawning
habitat,
I,
say
potential,
because
we
have
some
information
on
the
stocks
in
North
in
northern
Lake
Huron.
M
We
know
a
little
bit
about
their
spawning
behavior.
We
know
we
know
a
little
bit
about
their
the
historical
spawning
sites
in
Saginaw
Bay
from
published
reports,
and
so
we're
going
to
utilize
that
information
to
choose
hopefully
wisely
a
appropriate
stocking
location
and
to
the
extent
that
we
can
somehow
integrate
what
we
know
about
predator
densities.
To
give
them
some
opportunity
to
survive
as
well.
Of
course
we
want
them
to
become
forage.
That's
an
important
component.
We
just
like
them
to
survive
a
little
bit
before
they
become
forage
so
I
in
the
in
the
inset.
M
Here
is
the
Spencer
up
there.
That's
a
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service
stocking
vessel,
so
we
anticipate
using
the
Spencer
Baird
to
do
these
stockings.
So
we
anticipate
this
to
be
kind
of
what
you
would
think
of
as
an
offshore
or
pelagic
type
stocking,
and
so
all
the
Cisco
will
be
chemically
marked
to
allow
identification
as
hatchery
fish,
so
we're
going
to
evaluate
other
marking
techniques,
but
the
it
initially
we
don't
anticipate
having
visible
marks.
M
I
did
hear
recently
that
our
folks
in
our
mass
marking
program
are
going
to
try
to
use
run
Cisco
through
the
through
they're
tagging
machines
not
to
tag
them,
but
at
least
to
do
an
adipose
clip.
So
for
those
of
you
know,
you're
most
of
you're
familiar
than
from
fishing
charter
salmon,
sometimes
in
the
hatchery
system.
That's
the
thin!
That's
that
fleshy
fin
it
on
the
dorsal
surface
toward
the
tail
to
see.
M
If
we
can
actually
do
some
sort
of
physical
mark
as
well
but
much
too
much
to
learn
as
it
relates
to
to
marking
a
Cisco,
but
some
techniques
are
well-established
OTC
marking.
This
is
an
example,
of
course,
and
you're
likely
familiar
with
that.
So
this
is
the
the
broad
approach
and
then
just
a
little
bit
about.
Where
do
we
get
gametes
so
the
gametes
that
had
served
now
in
the
federal
Hatch
hatchery
system
or
from
two
locations,
poder
gana,
Singh,
Bay
and
relational
islands?
M
So
we
were
able
to
find
fish
at
both
locations
and
a
little
bit
about
the
spawning
that
these
animals
tend
to
start
aggregating
in
mid-october
and
then
peak
spawning
is
somewhere
usually
between
mid
to
late
November.
On
most
years,
it's
going
to
fall
in
a
10-day
window.
That
starts
right
around
deer
season,
so
it's
a
popular
guy
in
my
office,
as
you
might
guess
so,
and
oftentimes
in
that
10
day
window.
That's
that's!
That's
what
the
conditions
look
on
the
on
the
boat!
So
it's
it's
fun!
M
It's
interesting
work,
but
it
can
certainly
be
a
challenge,
but
we
had
good
success
this
year
and
just
these
are
just
a
series
of
maps.
It
just
shows
us
some
of
the
locations
where
we
were
able
to
find
spawning
animals
and
collect
them.
Top
map
is
the
Latian
islands,
and
then
this
would
be
pota
gana,
Seng
Bay.
So
so,
let's
talk
about
the
culture
update,
then.
So
what
we've
done
thus
far
is
we
have
two
years
where
we
collected
wild
gametes
to
use
as
as
in
developing
captive,
brood
stocks.
M
So
that's
another
evaluation
on
kind
of
the
hatchery
end.
We
don't
know
how
that
will
go
and
whether
these
animals
can
be
spawning
in
in
captivity
whether
they'll
survive
that
spawning
so
a
lot
still
to
learn.
What
do
we
think
you
know
looking
at
development
of
a
captive
brood
is
something
that
we
certainly
are
considering.
M
Certainly
at
least
as
a
hedge,
it
is
a
fallback
but
we've
also
in
2017,
collected
the
first
gametes
that
are
well
actually
used
in
production,
so
these
are
animals,
that'll
be
stocked
out.
So
that's
the
we
have
over
a
million
fry
now
at
growing
at
our
Jordan
River
National
Fish
Hatchery.
So
that's
located
up
here
in
Elmira,
Michigan
and
they've
done
some
infrastructure
development.
So
these
are
these.
Animals
are
not
lake
trout
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
we
have.
We've
been
pretty
good
at
in
the
federal
hatchery
system.
M
So
this
is
this
is
new
stuff,
but
so
far
so
good
we
got
about
it
over
a
million
fry,
so
these
would
represent
a
2018
stocking
cohort.
So
this
year,
only
at
least
we're
only
going
to
be
able
to
do
a
fall,
fingerling
type
animal.
So
that
would
be
sometime
in
late
September
early
October
for
release,
but
we
expect
to
have
fish
available
this
this
year
for
stocking
and
just
some
some
pictures
there.
This
is
actually
from
our
hatchery
system.
M
So
the
evaluation
and
how
we
look
at
whether
we're
meeting
any
of
those
objectives
that
we
laid
out
is
really
going
to
involve
a
lot
of
partnerships,
agencies
that
have
long-term
surveys,
some
one
of
which
Andrew
described
today.
That's
the
second
I'll
bait,
fish,
Community
Survey,
we
you
know,
of
course
the
management
agencies
are
monitoring
fisheries
and
both
Creole
and
commercial
reporting.
There
are
other
fish
community
surveys
in
the
main
base
and
some
early
life
history
monitoring
their
lake
wide
trawl
surveys
looking
at
predator
diets.
So
not
all
not.
M
These
are
not
necessarily
designed
to
really
index
Sisco
very
well,
but
they
are
long-standing
and
we
think
if
we
have
reasonable
survival,
that's
somewhere
we're
going
to
be
able
to
see
Cisco
show
up
in
these
surveys.
Nonetheless,
a
couple
of
things
that
were
being
developed
as
part
of
the
evaluation
are
some
more
targeted
type
surveys,
post
docking
survival
surveys
to
get
an
earlier
understanding
of
whether
we're
getting
survival
and
then,
of
course,
fall
spawning
survey.
M
So
these
are
things
that
we
will
be
working
on
in
implementing
over
the
course
of
this
study
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
other
type
of
projects
that
could
result
from
this
as
well
as
includes
things
like
doing
movement
and
predation,
perhaps
doing
some
telemetry
work,
I
mean
most
of
you
have
seen
some
presentation
on
telemetry
we
with
walleye
Saginaw
Bay.
Certainly
it's
that's
been
an
important
study
for
understanding
while
I
dynamics,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
other
elements
of
the
evaluation
that
will
what
we'll
do
and
then
so
just
wanted
to
say.
M
Special
thanks
to
Dave,
fielder
Dave's
been
Dave
and
I
have
worked
on
a
lot
of
this
together
and
just
and
it's
it's
been
a
good
partnership
between
you
know
our
offices,
but
the
other
agencies
from
the
lake
here
on
technical
committee,
so
I
guess
that
was
all
I
had
and
Brandon.
If
we
have
time
for
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
J
M
M
However,
we
do
also
know
from
places
you
know:
there's
Cisco
populations
in
Lake
Michigan,
of
course,
and
they've
been
expanding
there,
and
so
we
think
there
are
opportunities
based
on
the
ecology
of
the
lake
for
for
Cisco
to
thrive,
because
they
do
have
a
different
kind
of
feeding
in
ecology.
From
many
of
the
kind
of
established
parts
of
the
system.
Lake
Superior
has
a
lower
nutrient
status
and
Cisco
do
well
there.
So
you
know
we
think,
there's
opportunity,
we
we
we
don't
know,
but
they
also
have
they
have
a
pretty
diverse
feeding.
M
Ecology
I
mean
if
any
of
you
have
fish
for
them.
They
makes
these
migratory
feeding
migrations
near
shore,
feeding
on
mayflies
and
whatnot.
So
we
think
they,
you
know,
there's
a
potential
for
them
to
kind
of
carve
out
their
spot.
So
but
they're
not
going
to
be
immune
to
that
that
really
that
lower
productivity
overall
in
the
system-
yes,
sir.
D
M
M
They
are
represented
on
that
on
this
body
of
technical
folks,
and
it's
been
interesting
because
I
think
as
we've
embarked
on
this,
it's
really
as
an
agency
they've
begun
to
look
a
little
more
closely
about
understanding
data
aid
have
well-established
Sisco
populations
which
they
probably
didn't
know
a
heck
of
a
lot
about,
and
that's
been
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
has
occurred
over
the
last
couple
of
years
is
really
a
greater
trying
to
understand
our
our
existing
stocks
and
we've
been
able
to
do
to
do
that.
So
that's
it.
M
N
N
Potentially,
in
that,
they
could
provide
food
for
our
pelagic
predators
like
those
also
lake
trout,
wise
will
eat
them,
but
they
also
provide
a
fisherman.
They
can
be
on
the
catch
and
consume
for
recreational
fisheries
and
they
have
a
potential
to
the
commercial
species.
There's
a
lot
of
good
reasons
for
one
of
the
sea
sisqó
restored,
none
of
the
prey
fish
you
diversify
the
prey
base,
but
also
to
create
fisheries
and
then
also
to
create
a
predation
buffer
that
might
benefit
you'll
pursue
out
of
it
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
There
I.
M
So,
if
we're
fortunate
enough
to
get
these
animals
to
a
mature
stage
to
survival
and
I
would
say
we're
gonna
look
at
the
commercial
fishery
as
just
another
opportunity
for
evaluation.
So
if
we
get
to
that
stage
where
we're
actually
concerned
about
adults
and
we're
looking
at
I
mean
that's
a
that's,
a
issue
that
you
know
is
would
be
much
farther
down.
M
The
road
I
think
we'll
want
to
know
if
we
have
if
these
animals
are
surviving
and
where,
where
we
might
be
able
to
find
them,
so
we're
going
to
need
the
cooperation
of
that
community
I.
Think
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
evaluate
it
so
yeah
it
doesn't
it's
not
a
concern
of
mine.
Now
it's
were
we're
at
the
very
early
stages
of
an
evaluation.
M
So
the
more
information
we
have
on
that
evaluation,
I
think
the
better
so
I
think
there
was
a
gentleman
and
yes,
yes,
sir
well
I,
think
there's
a
variety
of
reasons
have
been
cited.
The
two
most
common
would
be.
You
know,
kind
of
the
same
thing
we
often
hear,
which
is
over-exploitation,
but
also
a
competition
with
with
invasive
species.
So
right
around
that
time,
you
had
course
rainbows
felt
were
actually
in
the
system
earlier.
M
You
know
and
they're
they
may
have
a
stronger
interaction,
negative
interaction
with
Cisco
than
but
Dale
wife,
and
so
those
are
the
primary
thoughts
there.
Of
course,
in
certain
areas
you
might
think
of
things
like
water
quality
as
well,
but
those
are
usually
cited
as
some
of
the
primary
the
two
primary
reasons.
Why
I'll
come
back
to
you
I'm,
not
sure
who
had
their
hand
up
next
I
apologize
if
I'm
skipping
over
you,
let's,
let's
go
with
the
gentleman
I
think
he
had.
M
There
is
actually
small
commercial
fisheries
in
in
actually
in
1836
waters
there
there
are
Cisco,
are
a
permissible
species,
there's
not
much
of
a
fishery
for
them
and
then
I'm
guessing
that
in
the
in
the
Ontario
waters,
there's
also
some
opportunity,
but
again
they're,
not
a
target
species.
It's
in
Lake
Huron,
primarily
certainly
in
Western
Lake
Superior.
They
are
well,
they
get
fairly.
They
can
get
fairly
large,
I.
Think
on
average
you
know,
14-inch
fish
is
is
probably
a
good
sized
adult.
You
certainly
can
find
fish
up
to.
M
M
Yeah,
that's
a
that's!
That's
the
ball!
That's
the
million
dollar
question,
actually
I!
Think
somebody
in
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it
was
Dave
or
otherwise
it
or
the
term
like
coastal,
migrant,
right
and
I.
Think
that's
our
best
information
that
we
kind
of
know
about
them
and
if
you
talk
to
the
folks
who
fish
them
up
on
the
North
Shore
that
they
talk
about
these
feeding
migrations
that
move
along
the
shoreline
Bay
to
Bay,
and
so
that's,
maybe
one
element
of
their
ecology,
the
other
element
of
their
ecology.
M
What
we'd
like
to
see
is
expansion
into
that
pelagic
zone
right.
So
that's
there's
a
niche
out
there
that
we
would
love
to
see
Cisco
be
able
to
fill.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
we
certainly
want
to
understand
is
what
is
their
behavior
in
in
in
the
system.
We
know
we
know
some
something
about
their
behavior
based
on
the
endemic
stocks,
but
that's
a
going
to
be
an
important
element.
Dave
has
a
common
I.
N
N
L
M
M
So
things
like
mid-water
trawl,
suspended
type
gear
are
the
types
of
gears
that
work
pretty
well
in
a
shallower
system
like
look
like
Saginaw,
Bay,
I,
think
you'd
have
because
some
of
the
gears,
even
though
the
benthic
gears
are
gonna,
cover
a
fair
amount
of
the
water
column,
so
I
think
you'd
have
some
ability
to
detect
them
with
some
of
the
traditional
gears.
But
it
is
an
issue
because
our
surveys
aren't
necessarily
designed
for
these
animals
that
spend
the
majority
of
their
time
in
the
pelagic
zone.
So
it's
a
good
question.
E
M
Question
so
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have,
if
we
have
time
we
can
get
into
this
later
so
I
mean
they're
they're,
a
silvery
fish.
If
you're
familiar
with
white
fish,
it's
in
the
in
the
same
family,
so
you're
gonna
see
an
adipose
fin
that
they
have,
but
they're
not
likely
to
be
mistaken
for
most
other
species,
except
at
a
small
size,
they're
gonna,
look
like
white
fish
load
or
any
of
the
correct
names
in
that
family
can
be
hard
to
distinguish
at
small
size.
M
Unlike
unlike
white
fish,
though
they
have
a
different
shape
to
their
body,
so
the
deepest
part
of
their
body
tends
to
be
just
in
front
of
the
dorsal
fin,
but
one
of
the
best
characteristics
is
its
mouth
right.
So
the
mouth
I
kind
of
I
know
you
can't
see
this
but
I.
Think
a
white
fish
have
a
bit
of
an
overbite
right.
Sisqó
have
their
mouths
are
about
even
and
then,
if
you
look
at
bloater,
they
almost
have
a
little
bit
of
an
underbite.
A
So
I
want
to
thank
Steve,
definitely
a
lot
of
interests
and
a
lot
of
great
information.
A
lot
of
great
conversations.
Well,
thanks
to
you
so
so
three
hours
goes
fast.
So
a
short
evening
gets
a
very
short
break,
but
I
would
like
to
offer
an
opportunity
to
stretch
your
legs
again.
There
is
the
diet
study
kits
in
the
back
with
Katie.
If
you
didn't
get
your
question
answered
with
Steve,
we
can
grab
him
before
he
heads
off
at
the
break
and
and
just
otherwise
get
up
stretch.
Your
legs
use
a
restroom
ten
minutes.
A
O
So
thank
you
all
for
allowing
me
to
serve
for
you
as
a
sea,
grant
extension
educator
today,
specifically
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
Saginaw
Bay
4h
fish
camp.
This
is
a
fish
camp
that
has
been
on
for
many
years
and
has
many
partners
that
are
even
here
in
this
room
like
the
Saginaw
Bay
walleye
club
and
the
Saginaw
Bay
win.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
for
eight
to
twelve
year
olds
to
learn
about
fishing.
O
So
in
this
year
with
the
camp,
we're
expanding
to
also
include
some
stewardship
efforts,
so
we're
hoping
to
have
the
students
or
4-h
members
complete
a
monofilament
recycling
center
at
the
bass,
City
State
Recreation
Area,
to
ensure
better
stewardship
for
fishing
in
the
future
and
then
also
do
a
litter
cleanup
at
the
site
which
will
help
the
fishery
as
well.
So
this
these
are
the
dates
for
the
camp
for
this
year.
It
is
open
to
youth
in
Bay
and
Saginaw
County.
O
You
do
not
have
to
be
a
4-h
member
to
sign
up,
but
in
exchange
for
signing
up,
you
do
get
to
become
a
4-h
member.
So
what
a
better
gateway
to
joining
4-h
and
learning
more
about
msu
extension.
I
have
a
sign
up
in
the
back
of
the
room.
If
you
would
like
to
get
information
about
registering
once
the
event
registration
page
is
open,
I
will
send
you
an
email
with
the
link
and
then
more
information
about
the
fishing
camp.
O
A
So
what
I
want
to
thank
Megan-
and
you
know,
as
you
know,
Michigan
Sea
Grant.
We
cover
a
variety
of
issues
that
are
related
to
the
Great
Lakes
and
so
I
feel
like
our
work
and
role
takes
us
all
over
the
map,
but
it
in
short,
if
you
have
a
Great
Lakes
issue
or
a
really
exciting
or
a
Great
Lakes
potential
project.
A
Opportunity
we'd
like
to
serve
and
a
lot
of
times
we're
hoping
to
collaborate
with
a
lot
of
the
partners
such
as
those
in
the
room
here
today,
and
so
thank
you,
Megan
and
in
terms
of
the
getting
youth
involved,
I
mean
I.
Think
you
guys
would
all
think
that's
a
no-brainer
right
thinking
about
getting
youth
involved.
The
next
generation
of
anglers
and
I
think
I
would
share.
From
my
perspective,
my
graduate
work.
A
I
did
I
worked
with
a
professor
at
Michigan
State,
and
we
did
some
angular
recruitment
and
retention
studies
working
with
the
dnr
fishing
license,
sales
data
and
I
think
we
took
the
approach
of
looking
at
that
anglers
as
a
stock
of
fish
right
and
so
I.
Think
if
I
showed
you
some
of
those
graphs
that
we
developed
in
that
project
and
change
the
word
angler
to
fish
like
walleye
and
put
that
graph
up,
you
guys
would
say:
oh
holy
cow.
Our
walleye
population
is
not
looking
very
good
in
the
future.
A
F
A
I
think
that
the
effort
that
Meghan
is
is
is
doing
in
collaboration
with
the
community
to
engage
and
recruit
new
anglers
and
connect
them
with
the
Great
Lakes
fishery
is
an
important
opportunity.
I
hope
you'll
support
and
participate
with
her.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
move
us
on,
so
we
talked
a
lot
about
little
fish
in
little
people,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
move
us
on
to
the
perch
and
walleye
conversation
and
Dave
fielder
is
from
the
research
station
in
Alpena.
A
The
DNR
fisheries
research
station
he's
done
a
lot
of
the
work
in
in
terms
of
the
Saginaw
Bay,
perch
and
walleye
populations.
You've
heard
from
him
in
the
past
several
years
if
you've
attended
these
workshops
in
the
past
in
terms
of
looking
at
not
just
the
research
behind
those
fish
but
engaging
in
a
conversation
about
management
of
those
fisheries.
So
with
that
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Dave
and
let
him
take
it
away.
Thank.
N
You
Brandon
and
feel
bring
up
my
presentation,
I'm,
going
to
be
talking
about
a
variety
of
different
information
sources
to
try
to
put
together
or
kind
of
a
holistic
picture
of.
What's
that's
it
of
what's
going
on
with
the
latest,
with
walleye
and
yellow
perch
in
the
bay
and
a
number
of
different
contributors
to
this
work,
even
more
than
just
what
we
see
here.
N
Let
me
remind
you,
first
of
all
that
we
departed
from
the
statewide
recreational
fishery
regulations
of
five
fish
per
day
and
15
inch
minimum
length
limit
to
something
more
liberal
and
that
was
actually
implemented
back
in
October
of
2015.
But
2016
was
our
first
full
year,
and
this
past
year
was
our
second
full
year
of
these
liberalized
regulations
where
we
went
to
eight
fish.
N
What
for
walleyes
and
a
13
inch
minimum
length
limit
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
and
then
for
yellow
perch,
we're
looking
to
improve
survival
and
increase
abundance
of
yellow,
perch
and
part
of
the
strategy
to
achieve
that
was
in
fact,
these
same
liberalisation
zuv.
Why?
But
also
there
was
a
relocation
of
one
commercial
fishing
license
out
of
Saginaw
Bay,
which
would
reduce,
we
hope,
commercial
harvests
of
Avila
perch
and
then,
of
course,
the
recreational
daily
bagel
and
what
was
videos
from
50
to
25
for
the
bay.
N
So
those
were
the
regulation
changes
and
a
lot
of
what
I'm
going
to
show.
You
is
partly
our
attempt
to
see
if
we
can
measure
the
effects
of
these.
What
benefits
have
there
been,
and
naturally
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
going
too
far,
potentially
over
harvesting
with
wall-eyed.
So
that's
a
lot
of
what
these
slides
are,
that
I'm
going
to
be
showing
you,
so
the
goals
were
for
the
brides
in
the
walleye.
Recreational
fishery
regulations
was
to
more
fully
utilize
the
wide
populations,
of
course,
within
the
limits
of
sustainability.
N
Because
of
why
population,
of
course,
which
is
our
recovery
targets
and
was
much
more
abundant
and
they
were
previously
and
then
also
to
restore
the
yellow
perch
fishery
to
the
levels
that
were
more
consistent
with
the
past
performance
and
I'll.
Show
you
a
number
of
slides
towards
end
about
where
the
status
of
perch
are
today.
Relative
to
where
they
were,
you
know
back
in
the
80s
or
the
90s,
and
the
strategy
is
to
annually
tailor
the
recreational
fishing
regulations
to
best
achieve
these
goals
and
adapt
into
the
newest
information
and
a
changing
fish
community.
N
Now,
oh
and
the
ability
to
do
that
to
have
customized
fisheries
management
like
this
and
say
it's
really
a
result
of
information,
rich
monitoring,
a
lot
of
different
kinds
of
surveys,
then,
and
that
investment
is
a
reflector
of
the
importance
of
Saginaw
Bay
in
the
state
of
Michigan.
So
sort
of
the
model
for
this
is
like
what's
been
going
on
in
Lake
Erie
for
a
long
time.
They
have
for
a
long
time
been
tailoring,
at
least
in
the
Michigan
waters
of
Lake
Erie.
N
These
different
harvest
regulation,
combinations
of
length
limits
and
liberalized
bag
limits,
and
sometimes
open
all
years
and
then
closed
seasons
and
that's
all
being
tailored
to
what
the
Lake
Erie
walleye
population
is
doing.
And
so
this
is
sort
of
a
model
that
we
have
designed
to
Saginaw
Bay,
while
I
am
perch
management
around.
N
Do
we
need
to
make
them
more,
even
more
liberal
or
maybe
make
them
more
conservative,
or
maybe
just
leave
them
alone,
and
then
we'll
conclude
with
that
discussion,
so
where's
the
information
sources
that
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
so-
and
you
talked
earlier
about
the
the
trawling
survey
that
looks
at
the
what's
going
on
with
the
prey
fish
and
also
not
just
pre
fish,
but
the
juveniles
of
the
game.
Fish
like
young,
walleyes
and
young
perch
are
better
represented
in
that
trawling.
N
No
doubt
many
of
you
have
been
interviewed
by
a
quill
clerk
at
one
time
or
another
where
they
interview
you
at
the
at
the
end
of
your
fishing
trip
to
find
out
how
long
you've
been
fishing
for
what
you're
fishing
targeting
what
you
actually
caught.
We
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
and
cooperating
with
those
interviews.
N
I'm
going
to
be
showing
you
a
lot
of
those
slides,
then
we
have
a
walleye
job
tagging
program
and
no
doubt
a
lot
of
you
have
encountered
a
tag
fish
at
one
time
or
another
by
returning
those
and
reporting
them.
We
are
able
to
get
measurements
of
mortality
rates.
How
fast
the
fish
population
is
declining
in
virtue
of
like
harvest,
that's
exploitation
rate
a
lot
of
important
metrics
that
we
use
to
gauge
the
how
intensely
the
fishery
is
operating,
and
we
also
learn
a
little
bit
about
movement.
N
That
way,
then
there's
a
commercial
reporting,
that's
required
and
we
can
see.
That's
another
look
at
members
of
the
fish
community.
There
is
a
commercial
fishery
for
yellow
perch.
So
it's
another
look
at
you'll
purchase
what's
going
on
there
and
then
not
in
Saginaw
Bay,
but
the
Great
Lakes
Science
Center,
which
is
part
of
the
USGS,
does
main
base
some
crayfish
surveys
and
that
helps
us
to
understand.
What's
going
on
out
in
the
main
basin
and
there's
connections
to
that
to
say,
go
nabe
in
terms
of
the
presence
or
absence
of
ale
lives.
N
What's
going
on
with
rainbow
smelt
other,
whether
it's
Cisco's
there
or
not,
and
so
this
is
another
source
that
we
of
information
that
we
look
at
so
I'm,
going
to
be
kind
of
jumping
back
and
forth
between
some
of
these
different
information
sources.
But
I'll
try
to
remind
you
as
to
what
they
are
I
should
also
mention
that
one
of
our
staff
it's
time
Gagne,
is
the
one
that
compiles
his
commercial
reporting
information,
so
he's
another
contributor
to
this
information.
N
So
this
is
the
harvest
of
walleyes
in
Saginaw
Bay,
as
estimated
by
our
krill
survey
year-round.
So
this
is
both
the
open
water
fishery
and
the
ice
fishery
combined,
and
you
can
see
how
it
fluctuated
right
around
a
hundred
thousand,
maybe
150
thousand
for
a
long
time,
and
then,
when
reproductive
success
explored
in
2003
as
part
of
that
big
food
web
changed,
it
took
off,
our
numbers,
went
way
up
and
and
then
naturally
the
harvest
reflected
that
and
then
it
came
down
to
a
more
higher
but
more
intermediate
level
and
the
newest
value
is
2017.
N
So
what
is
that
about?
Two
hundred
thousand
walleyes
roughly
were
harvested
in,
say
gonna
Bay,
and
this
includes
the
Seguin,
our
River
and
titta
velocity
River
yields
as
well
and
and
so
as
we
we
think
about
the
liberalized
harvest
regulations.
You
might
expect
that
that
value
is
going
to
go
up
and
it
did
in
2017
the
first
year
of
the
liberalized
regulations.
It
actually
kind
of
stayed
the
same
and
went
down
a
little
bit,
but
I'll
show
you
some
information
shortly.
N
That
suggests
that,
had
those
liberal
Heiser
regulations
not
been
in
place,
these
values
probably
would
have
been
much
lower.
So,
although
it's
not
like
creating
a
skyrocketing,
the
fact
it
is
shoring
up
the
fishery
harvest,
at
least
that's
harvest
and
harvest
is
a
function
partly
not
only
of
how
many
fish
were
available,
but
also
how
much
fishing
activity
is
going
on
fishing
pressure
or
effort.
N
We
can
factor
that
out
by
calculating
the
angler
catch
rate,
so
we
take
the
harvest
of
law,
isn't
divide
it
by
the
number
of
hours
of
fishing
that's
going
on,
and
that
gives
us.
This
is
like
point
for
walleyes
per
hour,
or
something
like
that,
and
now
this
may
or
may
not
reflect
your
personal
experience
and
fishery
but
fishing
the
bay.
N
But
when
we
plant
this
across
all
anglers
out
there,
it
gives
us
a
pretty
good
indication
of
what's
really
going
on
in
the
fishery
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
the
fishing,
so
the
higher
the
number
the
faster
your
character
wants.
Basically,
and
here
you
can
really
see
the
profound
effect,
some
harvest
masked
a
little
bit
by
trends
and
fishing
participation
that
can
be
governed
by
the
economy
and
weather
patterns
and
things.
N
This
factors
that
out-
and
you
can
really
see
how
the
fishery
has
expanded
and
really
improved
in
the
bay
since
recovery
of
law
and
in
2017.
You
can
see
that
we
experience
just
about
the
highest
angler
catch
rate
that
we've
measured
so
far
in
this
time
series.
Interestingly,
this
survey
series
started
back
in
83,
which
was
really
captured
and
reflected
the
period
before
even
fingerling
stocking
was
beginning
to
have
an
effect,
so
we
almost
captured
and
reflected
the
pre
management
era.
N
If
you
will
so
it's
really
neat
that
we
can
see
that
we've
gone
from
almost
zero,
those
very
high
angler
country,
we
don't
have
a
specific
target,
worked
out
for
angler
catch
rate
in
Lake
Huron,
but
they
do
for
Lake
Erie
and
it's
a
different,
slightly
different
metric,
because
now
we're
only
looking
at
those
anglers
that
say:
I'm
specifically
fishing
for
walleye,
because
previously
that
angler
catch
rate
was
also
reflecting
somebody
that
maybe
it
was
only
in
fishing
for
bass
or
something.
So
it's
a
little
bit
diluted.
N
This
is
a
little
bit
more
specific
metric
in
the
Lake
Erie.
They
have
a
management
target
of
point
for
walleyes
per
hour.
They
want
us
to
try
to
stay
at
or
above
that,
so
it's
a
useful
benchmark
for
us
to
look
at
as
well.
This
is
just
like
it
was
a
Saginaw
Bay
data,
adult
relative
to
that
benchmark
and
you're
gonna
see
we've
been
right
around
well
above
it
in
many
years
and
in
2017
the
last
data
point
in
the
far
right.
N
N
You
think
there
would
be
the
opposite
trend
instead
of
going
down.
So
this
is
a
bit
of
a
puzzle
as
to
why
fishing
effort
and
participation
isn't
great.
Now,
if
you
were
to
plot
fishing
effort
across
all
the
United
States,
it
would
actually
probably
look
something
like
this
because
generally
there's
fewer
and
fewer
people
recreative
outdoors,
your
kids
getting
recruited
as
a
sport,
it
can
be
a
reflection
of
all
kinds
of
demographics,
like
single-parent
households
and
and
the
economy.
N
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
here,
but
we
can
maybe
look
for
some
clues
as
to
some
individuals
with
explanations
here
with
our
data,
so
one
of
them
is
availability
of
yellow
perch.
So
this
is
the
Yelper.
This
is
a
scatter
plot
here,
ok
and
on
the
bottom
axis
is:
yellow
perch
angler
catch
rate
as
a
schematic
grew
up
by
the
krill.
Sorry,
how
many
perks
per
hour,
and
so
the
over
here
is
a
better
purchase.
Fishery,
here's
a
lesser
purchase
fishery.
N
It's
really,
first
and
foremost,
almost
a
perch
fishery.
In
fact,
all
statewide
often
nil,
purchase
a
single
most
sought-after
species
by
recreational
anglers,
so
perks
are
really
important.
In
fact,
the
quality
of
the
perch
fishery
explains
almost
half
that's
one
point:
five
half
of
the
variability
in
fishing
effort,
so
perch
is
one
reason
why
that's
gone
down
another.
Is
that
it's
actually,
while
I
fishing
is
so
good.
N
It
takes
less
time
for
it,
while
fishing
parties
to
catch
their
limit,
or
at
least
to
reach
some
level
of
satisfaction
to
where
they
call
it
a
day.
So
this
is
a
walleye
anglers,
catch
rate
that
better
walleye
fishing
here.
Mister
walleye
fishing.
Here
this
is
Sagan
a
bad
data
scattered,
and
this
is
mean
trip
link.
So
how
long
a
chip?
A
fishing
trip,
lasts
four
hours,
four
and
a
half
hours
five
hours
so
on,
and
we
see
this
kind
of
sheep
to
the
curve
such
that
as
fishing
gets
better.
N
N
That's
part
of
the
the
interview
questions
so
by
looking
at
the
interview
data,
we
can
create
this
plot
and
we
can
see
that
in
2017
is.
This
is
pretty
typical
of
most
years
that
almost
half
the
anglers
are
reporting
that
they're
fishing
they're
targeting
wall-eyed
about
1/3
or
reporting
you'll
perch.
This
slice
here
just
say
anything
I'm,
just
fishing
for
anything
and
then
there's
a
breakdown
of
other
species.
N
This
is
a
seasonality
of
the
walleye
harvest,
and
so
you
can
see
that
most
of
them
are
harvested
in
June
July,
maybe
May
they're
a
little
bit
of
a
bump
in
the
winter.
If
we
look
at
Yule
perch,
it's
kind
of
the
opposite
more
of
a
winter
fishery
unless
in
the
summer
that
a
little
bit
of
a
bump
in
the
fall
and
if
we
look
at
fishing
effort
well
it
just
kind
of
mirrors
that
the
ice
fishery
here
and
then
the
open
water
fishery.
N
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
asked
in
the
interviews
is,
if
you're
released
any
walleyes
and
not
just
any,
but
whether
you
released
any
fish
that
were
legal,
that
you
could
have
kept
and
then,
of
course,
how
many
sub
legals
that
you
did
you
let
go
in
that
case,
I'd
be
like
12,
11,
10
inches!
That's
what
these
two
lines
are
here,
and
this
is
just
the
weight
really
straight
across
anywhere
ours,
and
you
saw
you
can
see
that
there's
always
some
people
that
are
releasing
legal
fit
legal
size
fish.
N
You
could
have
kept
not
many
of
its
rough,
more
interest
as
the
sub
illegals
that
are
being
released
and
here's
where
we
implemented
the
13
inch
length
limit
and
it
went
down
which
is
exactly
as
you'd
predict,
because
now
you
can
keep
those
13
inches
on
14
inches.
A
lot
of
people
sit.
You
know,
I'm
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
keeping
those
small
walls,
but
that
data
suggested.
In
fact
they
did.
There
was
no
problem
but
interesting.
Look!
What
happened
in
2017
that
rate
shot
way
up.
N
N
Some
right,
I
asked
a
question:
how
much
of
the
harvest
is
a
result
of
the
liberalized
back
limit?
So
remember,
we
went
from
5
to
8
fish.
So
by
looking
at
the
interview
data
in
the
krill
survey,
I
asked
the
question:
well
how
many
like
for
a
single-party
angler
with
a
limit
of
eight
fish?
How
many
of
those
fish
they
caught
were
a
six
fish,
a
seventh
fish
on
eight
fish,
in
other
words,
beyond
five
and
the
same
thing
for
each
party
size.
N
So
two
anglers
in
theory
could
keep
up
to
16
how
many
were
the
10th
or
the
11th
fist,
the
Tulsa's,
the
13
fish,
and
so
on.
You
plan
all
this
out.
You
don't
see,
there's
a
lot
of
fish
being
harvested
beyond
what
our
old
statewide
default
regulation
was.
In
fact,
if
you
look
at
all
these
together,
it's
about
a
49%
increase.
So
although
the
wall
right
harvest
hadn't
gone
up
a
whole
lot
in
2016
or
2017,
this
data
suggests
it.
In
fact,
we
are
seeing
an
increase
in
harvest
by
virtue
of
these
regulations.
N
Now,
I'm,
switching
from
the
krill
survey,
information
to
the
gill
net
survey
that
I
talked
about
in
this
case
I
plotted
out
all
the
different
fish
will
be
encountered
by
age
group.
We
age
the
fish
by
looking
at
their
spines,
as
rings
on
them
kind
of
like
a
like
a
tree,
and
you
can
count
those
and
then
I
looked
at
how
many
were
just
thirteen
inches
in
larger.
N
The
difference
we
see
starts
at
h2,
where
most
of
the
h2
is
of
13
inches
in
larger,
but
there's
some
that
are
being
protected.
All
the
age
ones
are
less
than
13
inches,
so
they're
being
protected,
and
certainly
all
the
eight
zeros
or
young
of
year
are
the
reason
there's
no
bar.
There
is
because
that
they
don't
get
caught
in
our
gill
nets,
they're
just
too
small,
but
there's
lots
of
them
out
there.
We
see
those
instead
in
the
Troma.
N
So
this
is
the
catch
rate
in
our
gill
nets,
not
unlike
angler
catch
rate.
This
is
now
the
number
of
walleyes
per
net,
lift
on
average
over
the
time
series,
and
we
can
see
where
things
really
start
to
increase
by
virtue
of
the
increasing
natural
reproduction.
That
really
happened
in
2003,
and
then
we
saw
them
really
show
up
is
bigger
fish
in
our
time
series.
So
that's
kind
of
what
things
look
like
here
and
my
initial
prediction
was
with
the
liberalized
harvest
regulations,
reducing
the
harvest
that
these
bars
would
start
going
down
right.
N
Look
what
happened
in
2016
2017,
there's
some
of
the
highest
levels,
yet
that
we've
measured
2017
is
the
newest
value
that
we're
reporting
on
here.
So
that's
not
really
what
I
would
have
expected,
although
sometimes
this
can
be
influenced
by
fish
timing
moving
in
and
out
of
the
bay.
So
it
may
not
always
be
exactly
reflective
of
the
true
abundance,
but
one
of
the
things
we
can
do
is
take
an
angler
can
treat
and
layover
this
to
see
how
much
they
might
agree.
I.
Think
it's
always
interesting
to
do.
We
can
see
that
yeah.
N
So
this
is
now
we're
just
taking
the
yearling
law
and
calculating
that
same
gill,
net
catch
rate,
and
the
reason
this
is
interesting
is
because
this
is
a
good
measure
of
your
class
strength,
in
other
words,
how
many
walleyes
were
produced
that
year.
It's
always
a
variable
type
of
thing,
because
it
depends
on
weather
and
different
things,
and
back
here
when
we
were
still
doing
some
stocking
the
dependent,
sometimes
on
the
stocking.
N
We
haven't
been
stocking
for
some
time,
so
these
were
all
wild
fish
out
here
we
have
really
strong
your
classes
and
weaker
your
classes
and
hearing
I've
been
predicting
that
we
were
due
for
a
bigger
your
class
and
sure
enough
in
2017.
We
seem
to
have
that
now.
That's
not
that's!
Actually,
because
these
are
yearlings,
that's
actually
the
2016
year
class
and
I
think
that's
the
reason
that
that
glute
release
rate
of
sublegal
fish
shot
up,
because
those
are
probably
9,
10
11
inch,
fish
and
people
are
actually
having
to
release
those.
N
N
Now
this
is
the
trawl
catch
rate
of
young
of
year,
or
sometimes
we
call
them
age,
zero
walleye.
These
are
the
fingerlings
in
the
fall
that
would
have
been
hatched
that
spring,
so
they
haven't
even
turned
one.
Yet
this
is
from
the
same
trawl
data
series
that
Andrew
talked
about
earlier
and
for
a
lot
of
time
this
well.
This
is
still
our
first
look
at
your
class
strength
and
for
a
long
time
this
is
a
good
predictor,
but
it
has
become
somewhat
decoupled.
Now
at
this,
higher
density
of
law
lies
now
that
we've
recovered.
N
N
This
line
that
I
just
popped
in
here
is
the
catch
rate
from
the
main
basin
survey
series.
That's
done
by
the
Great
Lakes
science
and
remember:
I
talked
about
that
as
one
of
the
information
sources,
and
you
can
see
here
how
our
lives
have
become
scarce
in
Lake
here
on
Katy
talked
about
still
seeing
some
alewives
and
chinook.
N
If
you
have
a
sooner
they're,
very
good
at
finding
a
but
few
alewives
remain,
but
on
the
whole,
our
lives
are
very
scarce,
almost
non-existent
in
Lake
Huron,
and
what
few
we
have
seem
to
be
in
the
northernmost
reach
kind
of
closer
to
a
commission.
So
we
believe
that
this
is
the
the
big
food
web
change
that
principally
allowed
for
a
resurgence
of
walleye,
natural
reproduction
or
reproductive
success,
because
L
vibes
are
a
formidable
predator
and
competitor,
a
newly
hatched
pircuit
fry
like
walleye
and
yellow
perch.
N
N
So
I
already
told
you
we
quit
stocking
in
2006,
but
I
wanted
to
show
you
what
was
going
on
in
terms
of
numbers.
These
are
in
thousands,
so
this
would
be
actually
2
million,
which
is
where
things
peak,
and
we
had
a
management
strategy
before
L
wives
took
themselves
out
of
the
game,
was
to
create
a
predation
barrier
by
trying
to
stock
up
the
walleyes
so
that
they
would
eat
their
lives
before
they
came
into
the
bay
and
trying
to
promote
better
while
I
reproductive
success.
N
N
This
is
a
trend
and
growth
rate
for
walleye
using
just
age
three.
This
is
sexist,
combined,
males
and
females
and
age.
Three
is
being
used
just
because
it's
a
convenient
indicator
and
there's
all
kinds
of
reasons
why
women
want
attract
us.
But
it's
not
just
in
terms
of
how
big
the
walleyes
get,
but
rather
this
is
an
indicator
of
how
many
walleyes
are
out
there.
So
we're
using
growth
rate
as
a
surrogate
for
telling
us
where
that
walleye
population
is
relative
to
the
capacity
of
the
bay
to
sustain.
N
Why,
when
I
say
capacity
to
Bay
and
the
prey
base
habitats-
and
this
is
the
state
average
for
an
h3
walleye
when
you
collect
it
in
August
or
September,
and
we're
doing
our
survey
work
in
September.
It's
at
this
level,
which
is
about
fifteen
and
a
half
inches
on
that
axis
there
and
you
can
see
where
we
used
to
be
before
we
had
while
I
recovered,
where
there
are
growing
way
faster,
less
nice.
N
You
want
to
help
faster,
growing
walleye,
but
that
tells
us
that
they
were
subsisting
at
a
density,
much
lower
than
what
the
bay
could
sustain
or
support,
because
growth
rate
of
fish
is
usually
density,
dependent
that
the
more
you
have
the
slower
they're
going
to
grow,
the
fewer
you
have
the
faster
they're
going
to
grow.
So
this
might
look
nice
in
terms
of
fast
growing
walleye
that
really
told
us.
We
didn't
have
very
many
while
we
established
a
recovery
target
at
one
hundred
and
ten
percent
of
the
state
average
growth
rate.
N
So
this
is
a
target
level
that
once
we
had
three
out
of
five
year
classes
in
a
row
that
were
at
or
below
that
level,
we
would
reach
over
tougher
recovery
targets,
not
that
we
really
wanted
snore
growing
laws,
but
rather
that
we
one
of
the
density
increase
that
we
were
willing
to
forfeit
some
growth.
They
have
them
come
down
to
this
range
and
that's
when
we
knew
that
we
would
be
at
the
capacity
of
the
habitat
and
the
prey
baby.
N
N
Well,
that's
consistent
with
some
of
our
indicators
that
suggest
it.
On
the
whole,
the
walleye
population
is
getting
somewhat
smaller
than
it
was
its
peak
here.
Remember
the
harvest,
for
example
that
shot
up
and
it
came
down
to
have
a
intermediate
level
and
I'll-
show
you
some
other
graphics
in
support
of
that
and
here's
the
2017
value
we're
still
in
that
range.
But
it's
it's
been
coming
up
some
and
this
can
also
be
affected,
not
just
by
density,
but
also
by
trends
in
the
prey
base.
What's
going
on,
there.
N
This
is
the
number
of
Master
Angler
Awards
over
time,
and
you
can
see
once
we
achieved
our
recovery
targets
on
average
it
was
fewer
being
given
out,
they
were
always
there
once
was.
This
is
just
another
way
of
looking
at
it.
Another
indicator
that
we
don't
have
as
many
dick
tool
to
size
fish
as
we
once
did
as
part.
N
That
seemed
to
be
a
part
of
the
consequence
of
recovery,
so
we
have
a
computer
model
that
allows
us
to
estimate
how
many
Y's
are
actually,
in
the
sake
of
a
population
and
in
this
case
we're
looking
at
age
two
and
older.
So
if
you
were
to
include
age
ones
and
zeros,
it
would
be
an
even
bigger
number,
but
this
is
what
was
going
on
it's
a
peak.
N
There
was
about
four
million
and
in
most
recent
values
it's
come
down
to
whatever
there's
about
two
and
a
half
or
two
and
a
quarter
million,
and
this
it
says
2016,
but
that's
for
the
fishing,
your
so
that
actually
reflects
data
through
the
spring
of
2017
and
then
the
dashed
line.
It's
just
a
confidence
interval
so
we're
we're
confident
that
the
true
value
is
somewhere
between
those
dashed
lines
and
that's
that's
what
the
the
main
colored
line
is
indicating.
N
So
right
now
we're
it's
coming
down,
it's
suggesting,
but
it's
still
a
abundant
walleye
population
and,
of
course,
it's
all
wild.
Now,
that's
natural
reproduction
that
hatchery
sustained
so
now
we'll
switch
from
walleye
to
yellow
perch
we're
going
back
to
the
creel
survey
information,
and
this
is
trends
in
your
perch
harvest,
and
this
is
your
round.
So
this
includes
the
ice
fishery.
This
green
bar
or
line
rather
is
a
harvest
on
this
axis,
and
this
is
an
angle
or
catch
rate.
N
N
So
this
is
part
of
what
concerns
us
and
I
have
a
slide
here
summary.
That
explains
why
we
can
have
good
reproduction
of
perch,
but
yet
where
we
seem
to
be
having
a
declining
fishery.
Now
I'll
show
you
that,
but
this
is
it's
it's
a
fraction
of
where
it
was
so
that's
the
recreational
fishery.
This
is
a
car
reporting.
Remember
the
state
license,
trap
net
fisheries,
allowed
the
harvest,
yellow,
perch,
eight
and
a
half
inches
in
larger,
and
they
do
have
been
going
down
just
like
the
recreational
fishery
ISM.
N
These
are
averages
over
these
different
range
of
years
until
well,
in
2017
is
fifty
one
thousand
pounds
which
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
that's
a
small
fraction
of
what
it
used
to
be
so
the
commercial
fishery
was
turning
in
the
same
way
as
the
recreational
fishing.
In
fact,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
commercial
operations
are
now
even
targeting
purchasing
more.
These
are
just
the
incidental
caught
in
with
their
white
fish.
Fishermen
typically.
N
So
getting
back
to
the
question
of
the
effectiveness
of
the
regulation
changes
how
many
fishing
parties
of
different
sizes
reach
their
25
fish
limit,
there's
no
way
that
we
can
ask
how
many
would
have
reached
a
50
limit
or
something
beyond
25,
because
obviously
they
were
stopping
at
25,
but
we're
gonna
see
what
proportion
are
reaching
their
limit
in
2017
that
was
11%
of
all
fishing
parties,
we're
reaching
their
yellow
perch
limit.
That's
a
pretty
big
number
and
really,
interestingly,
when
we
calculated
that
for
2016
it
was
also
exactly
11
percent.
N
So
that's
always
neat
when
you
get
that
kind
of
consistency
over
time.
This
suggests
to
me
that
yeah,
in
spite
of
the
decline
in
perch
that
at
times
in
places,
people
are
still
getting
some
good
perch
fishing
and
that
this
regulation
of
the
25
instead
of
50,
is
actually
having
some
biological
effect.
It's
benefiting
the
person
by
conserving
them
in
Saginaw
Bay.
N
Now
this
is
back
to
summer
Angeles
trawling
datum.
This
is
the
catch
rate,
pretend
nets
of
those
trawl,
tows
of
yellow,
perch
and
there's
two
different
sizes.
Here
now
the
yellow
bars
were
the
young
of
year.
Well,
why
that's
age,
zero,
so
newly
hatched
ones
in
this
time
of
year
they
be
small
fingerlings
like
that,
we're
doing
the
survey
this
purple
bar
is
all
the
yearling
and
older
yield
person.
That's
the
ones,
we're
interested
in
right
that
we
would
like
to
catch
or
the
commercial
fishermen
like
to
catch.
N
We
can
see
since
1974
how
we
have
a
lot
of
big,
older
perch
and
we
had
some
strong
ear
classes.
Young
perch-
and
it's
just
want
you
to
expect
and
all
that
kind
of
changed
in
the
nineties-
cut
coincident
with
the
invasion
of
zebra
mussels
and
some
other
things
were
going
on.
But
what's
really
interesting
is
what
happened
in
2003
mm
reasonably
ly
has
disappeared.
It's
a
senior
that
walleye
reproduction
exploded.
Well,
so
did
yellow
perch.
N
Look
at
all
the
end
of
year
that
we
had
in
the
trawl,
in
fact
that
the
height
of
this
bar
is
actually
2401.
That'd,
be
like
way
up
in
this
on
the
wall
that
we
had
truncated,
cuz,
there's
only
a
thousand
there
and
it's
been
strong
ever
since.
There's
no
problem
with
y'all
perch
reproducing
the
problem
is
that
they
don't
survive
to
age
one
and
older.
So
we
have
a
mortality
problem.
N
In
fact,
in
some
years
what
we've
calculated
the
the
number
of
young,
yellow
perch
and
then
that
senior
class
the
next
year
we
have
as
much
as
99
percent
mortality.
Well,
obviously,
you're
not
gonna
have
any
very
many
older
perch
with
that
kind
of
mortality
rate.
So
we
have
lots
of
little
small
young
perch,
but
not
the
big
older
ones.
So
why
is
it
what's
going
on?
Where
are
they
all
going?
N
Well,
Katie
can
I
already
has
it
hit
for
us
there
in
walleye
stomachs,
and
that's
just
why
they're
in
big
stomachs
queue
somebody
said:
I'm,
I,
love
them
got
a
bike
and
I
had
100,
you
know,
or
a
whole
bunch
of
young
perch.
All
the
Predators
are
eating.
These
abundant
young
perch.
Cormorants
are
eating
young
purchased
certain
times
of
the
year
now.
N
This
is
our
diet,
data
kind
of
like
what
Katie
showed
you,
but
this
is
from
our
gill
net
fish
and
you
can
see
for
years
it
went
back
and
forth
between
alewives
and
gizzard
shed
both
of
them
clue.
Kids,
so
you
go
back
and
forth
between
whichever
one
was
kind
of
abundant
and
then
2003
that
changed.
This
color
here
is
yellow
perch
and
now
you'll
approach
or
a
major
feature
of
walleye
diet,
at
least
is
the
time
of
year
that
we're
doing
our
survey
work
and
the
fall.
N
Instead
of
the
old
perk,
now,
historically,
Saginaw
Bay
have
lots
of
law
and
you'll
purchase.
No
reason
you
can't
have
healthy
populations
of
both
at
the
same
time,
but
I
think
that
in
the
case
of
Saginaw
Bay,
it
really
depended
on
the
ill
wives
to
be
a
prey
buffer
on
them
and
he's
of
the
a
lives
these
weren't
adult
their
lives.
These
were
the
young
of
year
that
we're
using
the
bay
as
a
nursery
ground
for
about
the
first
summer
before
they
out
like
rated
to
the
main
basin.
Now
L
wives
are
an
invasive
species.
N
They
came
into.
The
Lake
Huron
became
abundant
in
the
early
1950s.
Something
probably
played
that
same
role
beforehand,
and
our
hypothesis
is
that
that
was
Cisco.
So
there's
all
kinds
of
reasons
why
Cisco
restoration
is
important
and
useful
to
say
gonna
base.
That's
what
Steve
worked
at
Lake
Huron,
that's
what
Steve
talks
about,
but
one
of
them
is
that
if
they
take
off
in
the
bay
and
they
survive
and
they
reproduce
there,
they
may
play
the
role
that
L
wives
took
over
and
then
create
a
forage
buffer.
That
will
protect
your
perch.
N
So
actually,
the
Cisco
work
in
some
respects
is
a
strategy
to
benefit
yellow
perch
in
a
way
and
other
species
too.
That's
our
hope,
single,
that's
one
of
the
hypotheses
or
hoped,
but
there's
a
link,
but
this
is
premise
on
linkage
that
Saginaw,
Bay
and
Lake
Huron
itself
are
linked
in
that
the
production
of
pelagic
fishes
in
the
Lake
Huron
that
you
say,
gonna,
be
as
a
nursery
ground
has
consequences
for
the
dynamics
and
the
interaction
between
predators
and
prey
with,
in
this
case,
with
with
some
undesirable
outcomes
for
your
perch.
N
So
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
piece
together
in
terms
of
how
this
fish
community
and
the
ecology
works.
So
speaking
about
yellow
perch
I'll
finish
up
here
by
talking
about
their
growth
rates
and
this
kind
of
confirms
just
like
what
we
realized
with
wall-eyed,
that
at
low
densities
are
going
to
grow,
really
fast,
looking
at
their
age
3s
again.
N
N
So
that's
a
it's,
not
a
high
mortality
rate
for
y'all
perch,
if
it's
a
healthy
population,
but
if
you
don't
have
young
fish
coming
up
and
replacing
those
that
are
disappearing,
you
can
imagine
how
that
Purple
Line
remember
the
big,
yellow,
perch
or
they're
gonna
disappear.
Real,
quick
and
you're.
Not
gonna
have
much
left
for
your
perch,
so
the
mortality
rate
is
high,
given
that
we
don't
have
very
much
survival
of
our
young
fish
well-
and
you
already
showed
you
this.
N
This
is
just
sort
of
the
forged
fish
index
representing
all
these
different
species
over
time.
This
big
year
here
was
when
white
perch
first
invaded,
remember:
white
perch
on
Atlantic
species
are
an
invasive
species,
and
this
time
series
goes
back
far
enough
to
win.
The
bay
was
still
really
polluted
and
I
think
that's
why
these
numbers
are
so
low.
N
But
what
we're
most
interested
in
here
is
what's
been
going
on
recently,
and
you
can
see
that
the
prey
fish
density
has
been
declining
about
the
same
time
that
while
I
recovered-
and
so
this
is
a
little
bit
predictable,
but
the
fishery
managers
really
grew
concerned
about
this.
By
the
time
we
started
to
getting
around
2014-2015
and
this
one
of
the
emphases
for
changing
those
wallet.
Harvest
regulations
was
to
try
to
reverse
this
trend,
and
we
saw
some
reversal
up
into
2016,
but
the
most
recent
2017
value
is
kind
of
lower.
N
N
I
showed
you
that
for
a
minute
ago,
for
yellow
purchases
for
wise-
and
these
are
just
different
ages,
because
sometimes
different
ages
of
wars
will
have
different
mortality
rates,
but
you
can
kind
of
see
in
the
most
recent
value
here,
and
this
is
actually
data
through
March
of
2017
called
the
2016
fish
in
your
range
between
these
two
values
here,
Ohio
and
all
so
that's
about
28%
up
to
about
35%
and
that's
weak,
that's
very
sustainable
for
a
healthy
walleye
population.
So
this
is
good
because
remember
we
liberalize
things.
We
don't
want
to
overdo
it.
N
We
don't
want
to
risk
over
harvest.
This
is
suggesting
to
us
that
there's
no
indication
and
that
we're
pushing
it
too
hard,
at
least
with
that
metric.
This
is
the
percent
of
our
spawning
stock
biomass,
which
is
basically
the
biomass
or
the
poundage.
If
you
will
female
walleyes
in
the
bay
relative
to
the
unfished
value
and
there's
a
whole
explanation
is
how
we
calculate
that
we
don't
have
time
to
get
into
that.
Suffice
it
to
say
that
we've
set
a
benchmark
that
we
don't
ever
want
to
be
below
at
20%.
N
N
That
includes
sources
from
outside
Saginaw
Bay,
because
some
of
our
walls
remember
out
migrate
into
Lake
Huron,
so
they're
exposed
to
commercial
fisheries
in
Ontario,
tribal
fisheries
and
northern
Lake
Huron,
now
a
lotta
laws,
but
enough
it
makes
a
difference.
So
we
can
see
that
the
exploitation
rate
is
ranging
between
about
12
and
maybe
18
or
20
percent,
and
again
for
a
healthy
white
population.
That's
entirely
sustainable.
N
So
summary,
it
appears
that
the
walleye
harvest
and
mortality
rates
are
increased
as
a
result
of
the
liberalized
regulations,
even
though
it
didn't
like
go
up
to
record
levels,
it's
higher
than
it
would
have
been
had
they
not
been
in
place.
The
low
fishing
effort
prevents
us
from
having
a
more
profound
effect
of
these
regulations.
N
Maybe
that's
actually
good
and
it
kind
of
helps
us
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
or
we're
doing
something,
but
something
else
is
limiting
in
the
fishery
and
in
terms
of
either
access
or
angler
population,
size,
economy,
reputation,
availability
of
your
perch.
We
talked
about
that
some
walleye
metrics
might
be
governed
by
trends
of
forage
fish
production
as
much
as
or
more
than
by
predation
approaches
seem
to
be
holding
their
own,
but
the
data
doesn't
really
support
the
idea
that
they
have
improved
significantly
in
abundance.
N
N
So
the
question
was:
where
are
these
wild
walleyes
being
produced
from
and
is
it?
This
is
a
to
the
policy
of
the
main
producer,
and
that's
consistent
with
our
understanding
in
general.
Is
that
the
titta
velocity
is
probably
the
largest
of
the
the
different
spawning
runs,
but
there
are
certainly
walleye
spawning
up
the
Shiawassee,
the
castile
going
all
the
way
up
to
the
Flint,
the
Colin
River.
N
There
are
gray
River,
there
are
other
sources
and
historically
they
were
responding,
an
off
sort
of
reefs
and
we
believe,
there's
still
trace
levels
of
that,
although
not
not
nearly
his
abundance.
So
probably
the
ten
applause
he's
a
good
bet.
There
was
some
work
done,
our
Central
Michigan
University
a
while
back.
N
Maybe
we
don't
fully
know
where
they're
all
coming
from
and
that's
an
important
consideration,
because
we
want
to
think
about
how
and
where
we
want
to
protect
those
habitats
and
those
kinds
of
things
or
where
there
might
be
benefits
in
terms
of
fish
passage.
Improvable
dam
removals,
those
kinds
of
things,
so
we
don't
fully
know
that.
But
you
know
the
policy
probably
in
fact
is
at
least
a
very
big
producer.
Other
questions
yes,
I
hear.
L
N
The
question
was
a
targeted
catch
rate
of
point
for
walleyes
per
hour,
like
they
have
in
Lake
Erie,
and
we
looked
at
where
the
sake
of
my
beer
data
was
with
that
I
think
the
question
is
well.
How
do
you
adjust
that
when
I
said
that
what
I
meant
was
we
can
adjust
the
targets
or
we
can
pick
our
own
targets
that
the
angler
catch
rates
themselves?
N
We
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
influence
over,
although
this
is
specifically
a
metric
where
we're
asking
that
subset
of
fishermen
who
say
they're
only
fishing
for
a
while
they're
rigged
up
for
a
while,
I
they're
going
you
know,
they're
they're
optimizing
their
trip
for
a
while.
That's
the
catch
right
there
that
we're
looking
at
not
too
diluted,
one
where
it
might
capture
sore
fishermen
looking
for
perch
the
bass
or
something.
N
So
can
we
affect
angler
catch-free?
In
other
words?
Well,
that's
a
reflection
of
the
quality
of
the
fishery
in
terms
of
generally
about
how
many
walleyes
are
available.
So
in
some
respects
we
are
affecting
that
by
say,
with
the
minimum
length
limit
being
reduced
from
15
to
13
inches
that
opened
up
more
fish
to
be
harvested.
That
probably,
is
one
way
that
you
could
increase
angler
catch
rates
generally
you're
just
striving
for
an
abundant
and
healthy
walleye
population.
That's
what
gets
catch
rates
up!
N
They
all
fish
are
able
to
get
over,
there's
actually
some
indication
that
the
more
the
ice
and
spring
flows
mess
with
it
that
they
actually
become
a
little
more
effective
and
they
kind
of
undo
them
and
made
part
of
it.
So
there's
you
know,
there's
maybe
a
potential
that
they're
going
to
be
even
better.
You
want
to
say
anything
more
about
that
Jim
with
regard.
P
To
those
fish
ways,
we
have
learned
that
in
years
where
we
have
good
strong
free
falls,
which,
unfortunately
is
not
this
year,
we
get
more
fish
over
the
fish
holes.
The
years
where
that
are
like
this
one,
where
we
have
relatively
low
streamflows.
Those
are
the
years
that
fish
move
up
to
the
way
and
a
lot
of
it
even
spawned
in
the
Midway,
but
they
don't
get
over.
N
It's
better
than
nothing
and
also
they're
made
out
of
rock.
So
what
I
think
we've
seen
some
evidence?
It's
official
spawning
right
in
the
the
rock
ramp,
which
is
good,
kill
one
of
the
species
that
we
really
love
to
see,
get
access
to
historic
spawning
grounds
or
lake
sturgeon
and
we're
pretty
sure
they're
not
able
to
make
use
of
those
grams.
So
they're
not
perfect
by
any
means,
but
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
but
the
fish
passage
dam
removal.
H
N
Don't
we
don't
see
any
particular
every
we
handle
enough
of
them
that
we
don't
see
any
real
evidence
of
VHS
in
those
that's
a
fish
disease,
but
there
was
some
evidence
or
suggestion
that
they
may
have
been
thermally
or
energetically
compromised,
because
some
of
those
bigger
classes
that
were
so
big
that
they
were
super
small
going
into
the
winters.
And
if
you
have
a
nice
hard
winter,
they
maybe
didn't
have
the
fat
reserves
or
didn't
get
big
enough
to
survive.
N
N
A
What
I'm
appreciating
all
the
work
that
we
did
not
just
a
presentation,
but
those
all
of
these
that
you've
been
hearing
this
evening
so
now
we're
going
to
try
to
do
the
same
way
into
a
management
conversation
and
a
largely
Randi
Claremont
and
Jim
Baker
and
I'm
going
to
cover
that
from
a
fisheries
perspective,
but
I
wanted
to
introduce
Tim
Wilson
from
USDA
Wildlife
Services,
there's,
Tim
and
I
wanted
to
invite
him
and
he
agreed
to
talk
about
the
corporate
management
update.
We
know
that
this
community
is
very
interested
in
from
our
management.
A
If
you
followed
some
of
the
federal
conversations,
you
know
that
there's
you
know,
there's
kind
of
a
holding
pattern
of
where
that
made
into
a
process
is,
and
so
what
you
guys
see
wildlife
services.
Does
they
manage
the
corporates
based
on
a
lot
of
regulatory
process
and
then
in
Tim's,
going
to
kind
of
just
wail
or
or
the
were
clear
that
it
is
sort
of.
A
Q
Q
It's
somebody
give
everybody
put
update
of
where
things
stood
at
some
of
the
management
efforts
that
we've
been
doing
the
last
well
since
2007.
That's
really
when
we
started
being
asked
by
the
state
to
become
involved
with
doing
some
karma
control,
some
select
areas
around
the
states,
I
just
wanted.
H
O
Q
Give
you
the
the
bigger
picture
of
world
or
how
resolved
is
the
fishing
lodge
service
ultimately
has
a
management
Authority
for
cormorants
and
through
some
of
the
documentation,
there's
documents
called
the
public
resource
depredation
order,
and
what
that
does
is
it
allows
the
states
to
take
action
and
their
formats
are
causing
damage
to
Natural
Resources.
So
what
the
public
resource,
depredation
or
I'll
refer
to
it
as
the
PR
do
that
gives
the
DNR
the
ability
to
manage
corn
runs
and
that
filters
down
to
us
being
involved
with
the
imagine
tool
even
control.
Q
So
up
until
well,
since
about
2007,
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
is
is
focused
at
the
the
nesting
areas
where
these
birds
return
year
after
year,
they
have
a
strong
psychic
site,
fidelity
to
return
to
those
same
areas
year
after
year.
So
much
the
work
we've
been
doing
is
at
the
nesting
colonies.
Q
We
also
enlist
the
help
of
volunteers,
its
select
stocking
locations
as
well
as
spring
spawning
sites
to
harass
the
birds
and
they
show
back
up,
but
after
that,
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
across
some
of
these.
These
nesting
colonies,
as
in
the
case
of
here
being
Saginaw
Bay
around
the
Shariati
area
and
spoil
Island
so
work
that
we're
doing
includes
a
coiling.
This
is
spraying
the
eggs
with
corn
oil.
Something
meets
the
developing
embryo
of
the
egg
master,
though
over
time
that
causes
declines
in
the
cormorant
population
and
also
adult
removal.
Q
Later
in
the
summer
when
those
birds
are
starting
to
fledge,
we
go
in
some
of
those
colonies,
take
out
adults
based
on
guidelines
and
goals
set
forth
by
the
DNR.
So
over
time,
we've
had
some
pretty
made
some
pretty
significant
strides
in
meeting
the
goals
set
forth
by
the
by
the
DNR
and
the
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service
in
2014.
We
were
asked
to
participate,
collect
some
cormorants
in
Saginaw
Bay,
around
Spoils
Island
and
little
charity
Island
to
see
what
these
birds
were
eating,
and
this
is
some
of
the
work
that
was
presented
earlier.
Q
Q
So
the
judge
they
cited
with
this.
He
sided
with
this
group
and
on
May
25th
of
2016.
He
vacated
the
orders,
the
public
resource
depredation
order,
as
well
as
the
aquaculture
depredation
order,
which
basically
shut
down
our
operations
here
in
Michigan.
So
since
then,
the
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service
has
done
a
new
environmental
assessment.
Q
Looking
at
the
effects
of
what
these
two
orders
have
on
the
core
amount
population,
unfortunately,
though,
even
though
that
assessment
it's
been
done,
they
haven't
moved
forward
in
reissuing
these
these
two
orders,
so
we're
still
on
the
sidelines,
this
type
and
italics
they're
on
the
bottom.
It's
actually
taken
off
their
website
and
it
says
that
you
know
their
efforts
to
reinitiate.
The
orders
hasn't
been
a
priority
as
of
late,
so
we
don't
know
when
it
may
be.
They
may
be
issued
to
allow
us
to
the
states
to
resume
management
efforts.
Q
Q
The
state
and
our
agency
we've
applied
for
a
depredation
permit
to
try
and
do
some
limited
lethal
control
in
certain
areas.
Those
were
denied
this
year
were
in
the
process
of
reapplying
for
a
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service
depredation
order,
in
hopes
that
we
can
do
so.
Some
limited
leap
of
control
in
areas
for
the
protection
of
threatened
endangered
species.
Q
Congressman
Bergman,
he
presented
a
bill
to
the
house
in
February
and
this
would
basically
direct
the
fish
to
my
life
service
to
reissue
these
these
orders.
This
is
something
that
the
DNR
testified
as
well,
so
we're
kind
of
waiting
to
see
what
happens
there.
We
haven't
heard
word
yet
on
the
status
of
this
bill.
That's
making
its
way
through
the
legislature.
Q
So
as
far
as
this
year,
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
do
non-lethal
harassment.
We
can
go
out
there,
her
ass,
the
birds
in
areas
that
are
causing
concerns
with
fish
plant
sites,
there's
threatened
endangered
species
out
there
we
can
go
out
there.
The
public
can
go
out
there
harass
the
birds
trying
to
give
them
the
move
on
we're
still
going
to
continue
doing
some
nest
counts
just
to
see
what
happens
in
these
sites.
These
nesting
these
in
the
absence
of
lethal
harassment
over
time.
Q
What
are
those
populations
doing
and
again,
like
I,
said
we're
gonna
apply
for
a
depredation
or
permit,
hopefully
do
some
limited
lethal
control
in
certain
areas.
So
it's
not
the
direction
we
were
hoping
to
go.
It's
not
the
direction.
The
state
was
hoping
to
go,
but
you
know
it's
what
it
is.
So
that's
just
a
real,
quick
update
of
some
of
the
stuff
that
we're
involved
with.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I
can
try
and
answer
them
real
briefly
and
then
hand
it
over.
F
F
A
You
know,
Tim
just
made
that
quick
update,
you
guys
know
we
could
spend
three
hours
talking
about
exactly
this
issue,
and
we
know
this
community's
interested
in
that
topic
and
so
I
appreciate
him
kind
of
giving
that
update-
and
my
point
was-
is
that
part
of
our
role
in
this
workshop
is
that
you
guys
leave
having
a
better
understanding
of
the
multiple
research
and
management
agencies
involved
in
our
fishery
right
and
so
the
core.
A
topic
is
no
different.
There's
a
lot
of
actors
and
players
at
a
state
and
federal
level.
A
Some
of
them
are
agencies,
and
some
of
them
are
courts,
and
some
of
them
are
public
citizen
groups
and
so
that
all
plays
in
effect
in
that
process.
To
me
just
outline-
and
you
know,
Tim
Tims,
non-regulatory-
we're
not
on
regulatory,
but
what
we
want
you
to
definitely
have
that
information
to
understand
who
the
actors
are
and
what
the
process
is
and
if
you're
interested
in
being
involved,
maybe
who
you
would
reach
out
to
so
with
that?
Thank
you
guys.
It's
been
a
long
evening
and
we
are
nearing
the
end.
A
I
appreciate
Randy,
Claremont
and
and
Jim
Baker
joining
us
as
the
managers
right.
So
Randy
is
the
Lake
Huron
Basin
coordinator
and
Jim.
Is
the
southern
lake
here
on
base
a
unit
unit
manager
manager
coordinator
they'll,
explain
that
in
a
minute,
but
essentially
you
guys
have
never
heard
a
lot
of
information,
a
lot
of
slides
and
a
lot
of
tables
and
graphs
and
I
think
the
end
of
the
workshop
we
like
to
traditionally
just
say
so.
What
what
does
it
mean
from
a
management
perspective?
A
R
Just
gonna
speak
briefly
handed
to
Jim
and
then
Jim's
gonna
get
back
to
me
and
I'm
gonna
speak
again,
we'll
just
keep
going
back
and
forth.
How
does
that
sound
I
do
want
to
address
one
of
the
questions
or
statements
about
cormorants
that
that
Tim
mentioned
just
briefly
and
then
all
like
I
said
Hanna
to
Jim,
so
really
hats
off
to
you
as
concerned
stakeholders
on
the
Lake
Heron
fishery.
The
only
reason
that
Jack
Burkman
our
congressman
got
a
bill
introduced
was
because
of
your
voice.
R
Your
concerns
that
you
expressed
to
the
your
representatives
in
in
DC
so
keep
doing
it.
If
you
are
concerned
about
this
issue,
the
bill
is
in
committee
and
we
provided
testimony
in
support
of
the
bill
for
coal
management
of
cormorants.
Yes,
it's
a
migratory
bird.
However,
we
co
manage
multiple
species
with
the
federal
government
and
there
and
there
should
be
no
exception
so
before
I.
Go
into
my
my
points
about
management.
P
Thank
You
Randy
I'm
kind
of
going
to
sum
up
a
few
things
here:
I'm
the
manager
for
the
southern
Lake
Huron
management
unit,
and
we
cover
Saginaw
Bay
and
southern
Lake
Huron,
and
about
22
counties
here
in
East,
Central
Michigan,
so
lots
of
inland
water,
as
well
as
the
Great
Lakes
water.
Briefly,
I
want
to
take
Dave's
talk
just
a
step
farther.
He
showed
you
the
data
we
have
to
work
with,
and
so
the
next
question
becomes.
Where
do
we
go
from
here
and
to
sort
of
sum
up
what
he
had
to
say?
P
Obviously,
our
walleye
fishery
is
still
in
good
shape
and
there
is
no
burning
need
to
change
regulations
in
2018,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we're
ever
really
come
portable.
So
we're
continuing
to
watch
this
fishery.
You
saw
a
bunch
of
indicators
there.
Some
show
that
populations
up
some
show
that
it's
down
some
show
that
you're
catching
more
fish
another
one.
P
So
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
this
very
carefully
I
think
I
can
safely
say
we
are
not
going
to
liberalize
the
regulations
based
on
what
we
have
seen
and
what
we
are
projecting.
So
do
not
be
that
surprised
if,
in
2019
we
Ratchet
back
a
little
bit
on
the
the
harvest
just
to
be
on
the
safe
side,
Dave
showed
a
slide
that
we
like
to
keep
our
stock
dense
at
least
20%.
Well,
that's
nice
I!
P
Don't
even
like
to
get
real
close
to
that
number,
because
this
is
a
very
important
fishery
and
you
might
better
allow
a
little
extra
for
a
little
little
variability
in
nature
there.
So
I'm,
not
one
that
believes
in
you
know
an
old
fisheries
concept
called
maximum
sustainable
yield.
I
would
rather
be
back
from
that
a
little
bit
so
we'll
see
where
we're
at
as
we
go
through
the
spring
in
the
summer,
and
you
know,
stay
tuned
for
possible
changes
next
year.
P
I
have
another
thing
that
I'd
like
to
bring
up,
and
this
is
something
that's
kind
of
going
on
around
the
state
this
year
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
get
a
sense
of
where
all
of
you
folks
are
at
on
it.
So
I'm
gonna
ask
Kathryn
and
Brandon
to
do
some
counting
for
us
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
fill
in
the
back,
asked
about
the
difference
between
inland
and
Great
Lakes,
perch
bag
limits
and
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
going
here.
P
You
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
confusion
over
perch
bag
limits.
The
statewide
standard
is
still
50
per
day,
but
we've
got
an
awful
lot
of
exceptions
now
in
the
fishing
guide,
for
instance
in
Saginaw
Bay
in
the
Saginaw
River
we're
at
25
per
day,
but
it's
still
50
in
the
rivers
and
the
drains
that
flow
into
the
bay
in
Lake
Michigan
south
of
the
45th.
Parallel
it's
35
per
day
up
in
Lake
Gogebic
in
the
U
P.
P
P
We've
heard
from
many
anglers
that
our
our
regulations
are
just
plain
getting
too
complex
and
they
would
like
a
more
understandable,
statewide
regulation.
So
the
fisheries
division
is
considering
going
to
a
standardized
25
perch
per
day,
statewide
bag
limit
in
2019
and
this
year
we're
taking
the
opportunity
to
air
the
idea
out
and
see
how
the
public
will
respond
to
it.
Now,
a
25
perched
bag
would
put
the
perch
limit
in
line
with
our
current
bag
limits
for
other
pan
fish,
including
bluegill,
sunfish,
crappies
and
rock
bass.
P
It
would
also
actually
be
more
in
line
with
perch
bag
limits
and
most
of
the
other
Great
Lakes
states
there
they're
in
the
neighborhood
of
25
fish,
so
some
are
in
combination.
Yes,
so
I
want
to
ask
you
all
a
few
questions
and
I'll
need
you
to
raise
your
hands
and
keep
your
hands
up
long
enough
for
folks
to
count
okay
and
then
once
they've
got
the
count.
Then
we'll
go
on
to
the
next
thing
of
all
of
you
here
in
the
room,
how
many
of
you
fish
for
perch,
at
least
once
in
a
while.
P
P
F
P
P
So
if,
when
you
bought
your
fishing
license,
you
gave
the
the
license
machine,
an
email-
you
will
get
an
email
from
the
fish
division.
Asking
your
opinion
of
this
question
there
up
there's
about
three
pages
of
questions
there,
but
any
case
I
encourage
you
to
take
that
too,
and
we'll
put
all
this
together
and
if
we
do
make
a
change,
it
would
not
go
into
effect
until
the
2019
fishing
season.
So
I
appreciate
your
your
taking
part
in
this
and
at
this
point
I
guess
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Randy.
P
R
R
P
R
Out
for
the
hanging
chads
and
the
votes
over
there,
thanks
Jim
for
that
and
just
to
follow
up
his
comment,
the
survey
that
will
be
going
out
with
we
have
a
million
anglers
in
Michigan.
We
have
about
350,000
email
addresses,
so
this
will
be
the
one
of
the
most
comprehensive
surveys
ever
done
in
fish
division.
So
if
we
get
public
support
for
this,
that
regulation
will
move
forward
as
Jim
mentioned
in
2019.
R
You
know
looking
at
this
agenda
today.
What
and
working
with
Brandon
and
Sea
Grant
on
developing
these
workshops,
one
of
the
most
challenging
things
that
we
find
is
actually
how
can
we
get
limit
the
topics?
I'm,
a
number
of
topics,
the
breadth
of
information
that
we
want
to
share
and
we
could
go
till
midnight
I
mean
somebody
mentioned
Claudia
fro
the
glean
green
algae,
some
of
the
nutrient
dynamics,
some
of
the
other
species.
R
R
So
you
know,
part
of
my
job
is
to
work
with
the
Advisory
Committee,
as
Frank
mentioned,
getting
input
and
dealing
with
management
of
Lake
Huron
basin
and
some
of
the
threats,
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
know,
I
Jim
Baker
here
is-
has
worked
in
this
Basin
for
many
years.
Noaa's
the
fishery
very
well
right.
So
he
loves
and
I
tell
stories
about
him.
R
So
I'm
gonna
tell
him
a
quick
story:
Jim
we're
in
a
meeting
real
story,
and
someone
came
in
said:
there's
a
fish
kill
and
Jim
says:
okay,
here's
what
I
want
you
to
do.
This
is
a
DQ
issue,
so
they're
gonna
contact,
Lansing
DEQ,
would
deal
with
it
done
and
as
I'm
leaving
the
meeting
so
coming
up.
I
mean
they're
like
clearly
you're,
not
gonna,
send
staff
down
there,
and
this
is
a
crisis.
I
turned
him
and
I
said
I.
Don't
think
this
is
Jim's.
First
fish
kill
he's
been
around.
R
F
R
A
sea
Robin
is
a
marine
coastal
species
common
in
the
Gulf
of
Mexico,
the
Atlantic
Ocean
suspected
to
be
found,
and
they
identified
it
correctly
from
a
Lake
Huron
caught
fish,
so
one
of
the
things
I'm
going
to
give
to
Jim
today.
Maybe
this
is
the
theme
all
dog
new
tricks,
but
here
is
a
guide
to
all
the
invasive
species
and
I
looked
at
the
first
three
pages.
This
is
just
come
out.
R
You
know
the
New
Zealand
mud,
snail,
the
Chinese,
mystery
clam
I
mean
this
whole
book,
our
species
and
threats,
and
we
have
to
worry
about
that.
He's
got
to
get
his
staff,
so
if
they
see
one
of
these
in
the
field,
they
got
to
be
aware.
There's
there's
tons
of
pages
and
species
I've
never
even
heard
about.
R
So
we
look
about
the
lake
here
on
threats,
they're
real
and
the
reason
why
these
workshops
are
so
important
is
that
your
awareness
is
what
matters
your
involvement
and
the
way
you
care
for
the
fisheries
being
here
tonight
having
the
conversations
this
is.
This
is
what's
important.
We
all
care
about
this
fishery
and
there
are
threats.
The
system
you
know
I,
look
at
that
I
just
say
be
aware
of
it.
Oh,
he
wants
to
talk
about
the
sea
Robbins
per
second
yeah.
P
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
that,
because
that
was
one
of
the
weirder
things
we've
run
into
lately.
However,
we
got
to
looking
at
that
fish
and
there
were
two
or
three
of
them
there
in
the
bottom
of
this
guy's
cooler
and
they
were
all
dried
up.
Well,
it
turns
out
he
had
spent
the
winter
in
Florida
and
he
had
caught
some
fish
down
there
that
had
regurgitated
those
fish
and
they
had
been
laying
in
the
bottom
of
his
cooler
since
then,
and
had
dried
up
pretty
darn
good.
P
E
R
Have
never
figured
that
out,
but
certainly
you
know
looking
again
at
just
the
involvement
I
want
to
I
want
to
kind
of
follow
up
with
all
the
great
presentations
that
kind
of
give
you
from.
From
my
perspective,
as
a
basin
coordinator,
I
grew
up
in
the
thumb,
and
the
fisheries
is
really
important
to
us.
R
Number
two.
You
know
Frank
mentioned
it
and
his
comment
about
the
Advisory
Committee.
We
work
hand-in-hand
with
the
stakeholders
to
make
the
best
decisions
for
Lake
Huron,
its
fisheries,
so
being
involved.
Also
means
are
being
informed,
also
means
when
you
see
opportunities
that
you
can
get
involved,
communicating
your
interests.
We
take
those
in
account
because
we
want
a
very
viable
and
productive
fishery
for
everybody.
R
So
that's
number
two,
the
last
one
I'm
going
to
kind
of
conclude
a
story
that
I
had
so
I
was
in
grad
school
and
there's
a
student
work
and
some
projects
and
some
local
schools
said:
can
you
come
and
teach
the
kids
about
some
of
these
invasive
species
and
and
fish
identification
so
came
with
this
idea
to
put
a
whole
bunch
of
species
in
it
in
buckets
and
they'd
have
to
look
in
and
try
to
identify
them
and
to
be
a
question
above
the
bucket
like?
Where
does
this
species
like
to
live
or
where?
R
What
does
this
species
eat
and
in
the
last
bucket,
the
question
was
which
this
species
has
the
biggest
impact
on
aquatic
systems
yeah
and
he
always
at
the
bottom
of
the
bucket
a
mirror,
and
so
you
as
a
stakeholders.
You
know-
and
this
is
what
I
do
of
my
job-
it's
a
people
that
really
matter
in
terms
of
protecting
the
resource,
valuing
the
resource
and
using
the
the
fisheries.
R
So
the
third
take-home
point
would
be
if
you
can't
take
a
kid
fishing
takes,
take
a
youngster
or
take
somebody
out
who
hasn't
fish
and
get
them
out
there
get
them
involved,
because
their
involvement
will
protect
the
next
generation
of
of
the
lake
and
the
fisheries
for
years
to
come.
So
that's
all
I
have
I
think
we
have
a
few
minutes
for
questions,
but
I
really
want
appreciate
everyone
coming.
Oh.
P
We
got
the
results
results
of
the
perch
poll,
then
we'll
go
to
questions
all
right.
According
to
Brandon
and
Kathryn
46
people
said
that
they
fish
for
perch
as
to
how
many
people
caught
limits.
In
the
recent
past,
the
number
was
8
how
many
people
would
live
with
a
statewide
bag
of
25?
We
had
well
I
have
two
numbers
here:
either
53
or
54
I'll
give
him
a
little
bit
of
room
for
error
there,
but
so
there
are
people
here
who
don't
actively
fish
for
perch.
P
B
L
R
P
Our
purpose
in
liberalizing
the
regulations
was
to
carefully
and
thoughtfully
increase
the
harvest
of
walleye.
In
order
to
decrease
predatory
pressure
on
perch,
it
was
not
to
institute
a
slaughter
and
if
the
river
were
open
year
round,
that
is
most
assuredly.
What
we
would
have
is
a
slaughter
and
we
just
do
not
want
to
go
there.
P
I
P
Are
still
I
think
about
eight
active
licenses
or
eleven
in
the
bay,
and
there
are
some
that
are
considerably
more
active
than
others
in
terms
of
I'm
sure
that
you
could
work
that
out.
And
that
is
an
option
that
we
have
looked
at.
But
we
haven't
got
any
support
from
above
us
for
any
kind
of
a
buyout.
I
P
E
P
P
What's
going
on
with
the
Asian
carp
well
and
at
at
this
point
we
don't
have
any
indication
that
the
black
or
this
well,
if
black,
silver
or
bighead
carp,
have
made
it
out
of
the
Chicago
canal
and
into
the
Great
Lakes.
They
use
something
called
environmental
DNA
to
check
for
the
presence
of
these
fish
in
our
rivers
and
they
have
checked
in
Saginaw
Bay
and
in
the
Saginaw
and
terrible
icy
rivers.
We
found
no
indication
that
they
are
here
at
this
point.
We
do
have
some
grass
carp.
P
P
As
far
as
he
also
mentioned
the
snakehead
fish,
and
that
is
something
that
has
turned
up
on
the
East
Coast.
We
had
one
incidence
of
it.
Turning
up
in
a
river
in
Wisconsin,
we
have
never
seen
one
here.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
mistake
dog
neck
for
snake
heads,
but
it's
very
easy.
If
you
know
your
fish
to
tell
them
apart,
so
we
have
not
seen
them
here
and
we
don't
have
the
Asian
carp
yet
what
else
we
got
way
in
the
back.
H
P
H
P
P
What
does
what
is
my
main
concern
the
resource
trying
to
maintain
these
fisheries?
Not
just
for
now,
but
for
the
future,
and
that's
my
really
one,
and
only
concern
is
trying
to
keep
these
fisheries
not
only
for
us
to
to
have
fun
with
now,
but
for
whoever
comes
after
us,
and
that's
why
I
tend
to
be
kind
of
conservative
about
my
approach
to
regulations.
I,
don't
like
this
push
envelopes
too
hard.
A
With
that,
I
want
to
say
thanks
to
our
managers
and
thanks
to
all
of
our
speakers
and
thanks
to
you
guys
once
again,
these
workshops
don't
happen.
If
you
guys
don't
show
up
to
participate,
much
appreciated
you're
on
mic
you're,
not
my
mailing
list
for
next
year.
So
we
hope
to
see
you
back
for
the
2019
for
now
go
enjoy
some
good
fishing
and
safe
travels
wherever
you're
headed
this
evening,.