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A
Mike
was
very
kind
to
ask
me
to
offer
readings
and
welcome
and
introduce
our
next
great
speaker
for
the
conclusion
of
the
luncheon
today.
I
understand
you've
gotten
a
lot
accomplished
in
the
first
plane
of
recessions
and
your
you've
got
a
lot
of
important
work.
Yet
to
do
before
the
conference
concludes.
I
would
be
remiss,
though,
and
not
thanking
two
of
my
commissioners
on
the
bay
County
Board
of
Commissioners
commissioners
Durant
second
writer,
both
of
whom
have
been
champions
along
with
Laurel
Olga
and
commissioner
Ernie
Krieger
and
our
other
commissioners.
A
Ernie
I,
don't
think,
could
stay
for
the
luncheon.
That
I
think
Bernie
had
another
commitment
it
had
to
was
here
this
morning
that
had
to
leave
for
the
luncheon
so
I'm
blessed
to
be
able
to
have
talented,
dedicated
commissioners
here
in
Bay
County
helping
us
with
our
efforts
at
the
bay
City
State
Park,
and
the
other
efforts
who
are
undertaking
to
try
to
determine
how
best
Bay
County
government
can
enhance
water
quality
in
the
Saginaw.
A
Bay
I
just
want
to
say,
I'm,
very
pleased
to
be
with
you
today
at
this
2017
state
of
the
bay
conference.
Many
of
you
in
the
audience
have
worked
diligently.
I
know
that
I
know
you
over
the
past
many
years.
I
would
say
decades
in
my
case,
but
I
know
you're
too
young
for
that
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
many
many
years
to
reach
the
point
where
we
are
today
so
see
the
improvements
that
have
taken
place
in
our
Saginaw
Bay
watershed.
Some
of
you
are
just
beginning.
A
Your
efforts,
I
see
some
new
faces
in
the
crowd
and
some
longtime
devotees
to
the
cause
and
dedicated
citizens
and
I
just
want
to
mention
that
my
first
involvement
I
was
having
lunch
with
with
the
commissioners
and
Commissioner
Clements
and
I
mentioned
to
them.
That
I
guess
that
my
first
involvement
with
Saginaw
Bay
issues
was
when
I
was
a
young
state
representative
aged
24.
You
know
as
a
founder
of
the
Saginaw
Bay
walleye
Club.
A
You
know
working
with
the
Department
of
Natural
Resources
to
grow
the
walleye
fry
and
the
oh,
the
little
they're
not
well
the
ponds.
I
guess
that
were
constructed
when
I
75
in
us
10
were
built
and
they
were
put
in
as
fry
and
then
grew
to
a
certain
size.
We
met
them
and
Transplant
them
into
the
Saginaw
Bay
system.
A
So
that's
how
a
great
memory
I
have
and
just
as
I
look
around
the
room
to
say
together,
we
stakeholders
can
continue
to
obtain
positive
results
to
ensure
that
the
progress
that's
been
made
continues
long
into
the
future.
Yeah
and
I
was
proud
to
have
had
an
opportunity,
while
I
was
in
the
legislature
to
work
on
many
issues
affecting
the
Saginaw
Bay,
but
one
important
one
was
working
with
the
save
our
shoreline
group
and
earning
kleeger
and
other
concerned
residents
on
the
beach
grooming
legislation.
A
What
I
did
have
an
opportunity
to
get
an
amendment
adopted
the
house
onward
up.
So
I
was
a
lot
of
resource
environment
subcommittee,
transportation,
infrastructure.
They
would
have
allowed
or
required
actually
international
freighters
to
chlorinate
their
ballast
water,
and
if
we
would
have
chlorinated
the
ballast
that
would
have
killed
all
the
little.
A
Lakes,
want
to
say
that
also
our
community
in
our
region
is
grateful
for
the
time,
talent
and
personal
resources
that
each
and
every
one
of
you
here
today
and
some
who
couldn't
be
here.
Guest
spent
in
ensuring
the
conditions
of
the
Saginaw
Bay
water
quality
has
improved
and
your
luncheon
speaker
today.
A
Sheila's
Damaris
is
a
person
that
I've
known
for
a
long
time
and
went
to
high
school
here
in
bass
city
with
her
husband,
Lynn,
but
I
am
honored
to
introduce
today's
luncheon
speaker.
She
lists
Damaris
Sheila
is
the
executive
director
of
the
Frankenmuth
DDA
and
the
EDC,
and
in
that
role,
Sheila
served
as
a
project
manager
for
the
Frankenmuth
dam
reconstruction
project
Sheila's
been
in
Frankenmuth
since
2000.
A
However,
she
began
her
career
right
here
in
Bay
City
in
1987.
He
has
the
executive
director
of
the
bass
city,
Downtown,
Development
Authority,
and
during
her
tenure
they
said
he
was
honored
as
a
great
American
Main
Street
City
by
the
National
Main
Street
Center,
and
that
is
a
high
honor
and
one
that
not
many
municipalities
receive
and
Sheila
your
tenacity,
your
dedication
to
perseverance
in
Bay
City.
A
You
took
with
you
to
Frankenmuth
and
you've
done
nothing
but
help
enhance
the
quality
of
life
in
Frankenmuth,
for
both
the
residents,
as
well
as
the
millions
of
tourists
who
visit
Frankenmuth
each
and
every
year.
But
Sheila
is
a
graduate
of
Pennsylvania
State
University
and,
as
I
mentioned,
she
and
her
husband
Lind.
Our
Bay
City
residents
have
three
wonderful
daughters
and
are
waiting
their
first
grandchildren
twins
to
be
born
anytime.
Now.
Thank
you
itself.
A
B
Before
I
get
much
into
the
project
itself,
I
need
to
give
you
a
little
mystery.
Our
dam
was
built
around
1850
by
the
original
grand
milling
people.
All
communities
use
grain.
We
had
a
great
river.
It
had
enough
water
velocity
to
turn
the
mill
that
made
the
grain
so
start.
The
mill
company
eventually
became
star
the
West,
which
is
one
of
our
premier
companies
in
the
region,
one
of
our
great
Miller's
in
the
actually
and
they
operated
this
for
a
hundred
years.
B
Yes,
I
have
to
use
my
glasses
to
look
at
my
slides,
here's
some
construction
pictures.
This
was
taken
in.
Actually
that
first
picture
is
the
oldest
one.
You
know
this
is
from
1925
when
they
were
changing
the
dam
itself
from
earthen
and
wood
construction
to
more
modern,
concrete
materials,
and
you
can
see
it
was
all
done
by
hand
I'm
sure
they
used
some
barges
in
that
area.
Although
little
barges,
our
rivers,
not
very
big-
you
can
see
here
right
here,
see
that
lady.
She
was
the
boss,
I'm
quite
sure.
B
B
Looks
like
this,
but
it's
a
reproduction.
It
houses
a
brewery
Museum
and
the
lager
mill,
which
is
a
retail
craft,
beer
store,
which
is
very
appropriate.
We
as
much
bread
as
we
drink
beer,
so
that
kind
of
works
for
us
started
west,
sold
the
property
and
some
other
property
to
the
city
in
1950
for
a
dollar.
So
really
it
was
an
exchange.
B
They
say
we
don't
need
them
that
we
don't
need
this
anymore,
but
you
can
have
it
so
the
city
has
been
has
been
the
caretaker
since
that
time,
to
give
you
a
sense
of
where
we
are,
if
you
don't
know,
franca
most
of
the
damage
within
the
yellow,
Circle,
and
you
can
see,
it
really
is
in
the
heart
of
our
tourism
center.
So,
no
matter
what
we
do
on
the
river,
it's
very
important
to
our
base
industry
of
tourism.
We
want
to
diversify.
B
We
want
to
have
more
things,
but
we
know
that
Teresa
tourism
is
our
bread
and
butter.
So
whatever
we
did
had
to
have
economic
value
for
that
group,
as
well
as
quality
of
life
and
environmental
improvements,
and
you
can
see
we're
surrounded
by
Xander's
Bavaria
in
the
lodge
River,
plays
the
golf
course
and,
of
course,
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
Because
that's
how
people
didn't
know
at
the
times
that
when
communities
were
small,
but
this
land.
B
Much
more
valuable
as
riverfront
than
as
waste
processing,
but
I
digress
and
the
city
has
been
the
caretaker
since
1950
and
in
1999,
I'm
sure
they've
had
other
years.
They
did
their
first
repairs,
which
was
on
the
north
half
of
the
dam,
which
would
be
on
the
center
side
of
the
river
in
2002.
They
went
up
for
bid
again
to
finish
the
repair
project
and,
of
course,
as
all
things
happen,
the
budget
was
way
smaller
than
the
bids
that
came
back.
B
So
we
had
to
regroup
a
lot
a
lot
of
issues
with
the
dam
you
saw
how
it
was
built.
You
saw
in
concrete
the
years
of
water.
Water
is
a
very
powerful
thing
and
it
was.
It
was
a
worry
that
the
dam
was
going
to
fail.
So
what
were
we
going
to
do?
We
asked
the
question:
if
we,
if
we're
going
to
spend
250,000
or
more,
what
can
we
do
with
it?
Can
we
do
more
than
just
fix
the
dam
and
that's
our
journey
began?
So
we
asked
that
question
in
time.
B
What
does
this
really
look
like?
Well,
we
knew
we
needed.
We
wanted
to
retain
the
rigor
profile
as
much
as
there's
environmental
folks
in
the
room.
I'll
tell
you
that
if
you
have
waterfront
property
as
Jim
alluded
to
you,
don't
want
Phragmites
in
front
of
it.
You
don't
want
you
don't
want
to
lose
the
shoreline
you
have
now.
We
don't
really
have
beachfront
along
the
cash
River,
but
people
who
own
property
want
want
to
be
able
to
walk
into
the
river
and
pick
minnows
with
their
grandkids.
B
If
they
want,
they
don't
want
to
have
to
lose
all
of
that
because
in
the
summer,
whereas
we're
a
knot,
strength
fed
were
running
on
so
in
the
summer
our
water
levels
go
down.
We
knew
that
we
would
lose
the
characteristics
of
the
river
we
wanted.
We
also
wanted
to
retain
our
commercial
building
important
as
a
tourism
Center
important
for
employment
and
employment,
important
for
keeping
families
working,
and
that
was
important
to
us
as
a
goal,
and
we
found
out,
as
we
were,
studying
the
dam
that
the
river,
actually,
we
can't
becomes
part.
B
Well,
we
know
the
river
is
part
of
the
geography.
It's
a
defining
element,
but
it
actually
was
part
of
the
dam
was
part
of
securing
that
south
bank
and
to
assure
that
the
south
bank
didn't
erode
and
that
we
could
potentially
lose
the
Main
Street
bridge
or
the
the
street
along
here.
I
guess
you
can't
see
my
fingers
a
pointing
after
you
said,
I
mentioned
before
our
goal
was
to
balance
economy
with
environment.
B
We
knew
from
experiences
throughout
the
Great
Lakes
Bay
region,
that
communities
like
Bay
City,
who
had
looked
at
the
waterfront
as
an
asset.
You
know
the
smartest
Frankenmuth
is
and
as
forward-thinking
we
are,
we
didn't
take
advantage
of
the
river
like
we
could
have.
This
was
an
opportunity
to
bring
that
River
in
and
make
another
eco
tourism
destination
element
to
our
already
successful
tourism
market,
but
it
was
also
a
way
to
bring
back
that
quality
of
life
with
people
who
lived
there,
so
we
needed
to
balance
those.
B
So
my
first
thought
for
you
today,
I
was
asked
to
talk
about
a
complex
project
and
funding,
which
is
always
really
interesting.
So
my
first
thought
is:
is
figure
out
what
you
don't
know
if
I
knew
today
what
I
knew
then
I
might
not
have
done
this
project.
However,
I
still
today,
don't
know
everything
I
need
to
know
about
this
project
and
you
need
to
bring
in
the
right
people
to
help
you
solve
that.
There
is
something
to
be
said
for
being
naive
and
pollyannish,
but
at
some
point
it
really
bites.
B
You
in
the
butt
you've
got
to
figure
out
who
can
help
you
and
bring
the
right
people
to
the
table.
What
so
happened
that
dawn
Scherzer
from
the
Spicer
group?
Some
of
you
may
know
Don
there,
our
city
engineer
by
contract-
and
he
said
you
know
the
partnership
for
the
Saginaw
Bay
is
looking
at
dams
in
the
region.
They're
doing
this
study.
B
Do
you
want
to
participate
as
the
guinea
pig
and,
of
course,
after
deliberation
at
the
City
Council
level,
we
agreed
to
be
the
guinea
pig,
so
partnership
hired
the
partnership,
if
you
don't
know,
was
organized
for
it
so
find
resolution
to
issues
identified
by
the
EPA
70s
for
better
use
impairments,
an
area
of
concern,
see
I,
know
words.
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
it
means,
but
basically
they
were
a
group
that
was
a
volunteer
organization
to
lead
things.
They
were
looking
at
habitat,
the
loss
of
habitat
and
could
dams.
B
If
we
eliminated
dance,
could
we
improve
the
habitat?
Well,
certainly,
they
felt
that
we
could,
but
we
had
to
kind
of
look
at
it,
so
they
hired
public
sector
consultants
mark
cross.
Corelli
was
the
technician
on
that
to
help
us.
So
we
started
talking
about
the
fish.
This
is
a
picture
from
the
1940s,
it's
not
very
good,
but
you
can
see.
There's
a
buttload
of
fish
there
and
I
think
that
Clemens
or
Tom
Reiter
was
talking
about
fishing
and
it's
too
much.
B
You
know
in
the
forty
swoops
in
the
40s.
We
definitely
had
I,
probably
well.
I.
Guess
I
can't
do
that
in
the
40s.
There
was
a
lot
more
volume
than
in
recent
years
and
the
seven
there
was
no
volume
recorded
with
some
resurgence
back
in
the
80s
and
90s,
and
our
goal
is
to
build
that
back
again
and
that
Michigan
DNR
Jim
Baker's
group
basically
felt
that
dams
prevent
fish
bonding
because
they
don't
allow
they
don't
allow
passage
our
fish
in
the
Saginaw
Bay.
B
B
If
you
look
at
this
drawing
you
see
it
easily
that
the
different
colored
blocks
are
the
river
sheds
to
the
velocities
Shiawassee
Saginaw
casts
the
cash
waver
is
shown
in
yellow
and
where
the
arrow
goes.
That's
our
cast
River
Dam,
but
it's
one
of
300
in
the
whole
region.
So,
basically,
if
you
were
to
do
a
line
between
cause
and
effect,
the
lack
the
presence
of
dams
could
be
seen
as
a
possible
cause
for
why
our
fish
populations
had
gone
down
the
DNR
and
the
partnership
identified.
B
Our
cast
is
one
of
the
rivers
that
could
be
a
solution
for
the
natural
reproduction
of
walleye,
which
is
of
course,
the
most
sustainable
and
our
dam
was
considered
in
the
top
three
next
to
the
typical
IC
dam,
which
feeds
Dow,
Chemical,
Company
or
Dow
DuPont.
Is
that
how
we're
supposed
to
say
now
and
the
Chesapeake
dam
which,
as
you
know,
failed
and
then
had
a
similar
project
done
before
we
were
able
to
finish
so
those
top
three?
B
Those
were
the
top
three
dams,
so
we
were
in
the
bird
seat
basically
to
be
able
to
start
looking
at
improvements,
our
cast
River
fish.
Of
course
we
want
to
see
why
we
want
to
see
sturgeon
and
the
list
of
others
and
these
articles,
which,
of
course,
you
can't
see
or
read
this
one.
This
one
right
here
is
a
picture
of
a
young
man
from
2002
Tata
sturgeon.
That
was
70
pounds.
We
know
they
come
up,
it's
just
they're
few
and
far
between
so
anecdotally.
We
know
we
have
good
fish,
we
have
opportunity.
B
How
do
you
marry
them?
The
study
said
that
if
we
were
able
to
achieve
fish
passage
in
Frankenmuth
at
our
dam,
we
could
open
up
73
miles
of
historically
significant
spawning
area.
That
is
pretty
impressive.
When
you
look
at
a
project,
especially
when
you
look
at
the
project
from
our
eyes,
which
was
not
very
expensive
13
years
later,
it
sure
wasn't,
but
we
think
the
value
of
the
long
run
is
there
and
I
hope
you
will
come
to
agree
as
we
age
together.
The
study
showed
us
three
ways
to
enable
fish
passage.
B
The
one
this
is
the
one
that
is
most
obvious
is
perhaps
remove
the
dam
I
already
shared
that
we
had
reasons
to
keep
the
dam
in
the
water
depth
upstream
of
the
dam,
so
that
wasn't
a
viable
option
for
us.
Adding
mechanicals
like
a
fish
ladder
also
didn't
seem
like
a
good
option
for
us.
I,
don't
know
what
the
theories
are
today,
but
at
the
time
we
were
looking,
they
they
look
to
be,
have
mediocre
success
and
need
a
lot
of
maintenance.
B
The
city
wasn't
looking
for
a
high
maintenance
project,
and
so
we
opted
to
modify
the
dam
through
the
rock
ramp
building.
A
rock
rip
allowed
us
to
meet
our
needs.
So
what
is
a
rock
ramp?
So
I
have
to
remember
this.
That's
why
I
wrote
it
at
the
bottom.
It's
a
graduated
rapids,
it's
man-made,
its
wedge-shaped
stone
ramp
made
us
many
small
stones
that
is
topped
with
arches
made
of
large
stones
between
the
Weir's
I
have
to
be
careful
between
the
Weir's
there's
pools.
So
the
fish
come
in.
It's
a
gentle
slope.
B
They
can
swim
up,
they
can
rest,
they
can
swim
up.
They
can
rest
before
they
jump
over
the
damn.
Well
swim
over
the
dam
and
get
into
the
deeper
water
from
a
top
view.
It
kind
of
looks
just
like
a
series
of
arches,
so
my
second
thought
for
you
is
we
kind
of
figured
out
what
we
wanted
in
the
direction
we
wanted
to
go.
But
the
next
thing
we
needed
to
know
is
who's
on
our
team
and
I
can
tell
you
get
them
involved.
Early
I
had
a
crackerjack
Dam
committee.
B
You
know
I
had
a
dam
project,
everybody
has
a
dam
committee.
Yeah
I
won't
do
that
to
you
the
whole
presentation
cut.
They
really
were
excellent.
They
came
from.
They
came
first
off
because
they
had
a
passion
for
the
river
and
they
loved
fishing.
They
also
had
skills
that
came
to
the
table
and
they
were
willing
to
volunteer
retirees
great
source
of
knowledge
as
we
age.
Sometimes
we
think
we
don't
know
the
newest
the
best
things,
but
what
we
have
is
an
ability
to
put
a
process
together
and
my
team
was
crackerjack.
B
We
also
invited
someone
who
knows
everyone,
Mike
Kelly,
to
set
up
the
committee
and
he
was
wonderfully
always
a
resource
for
me.
We
wanted
people
who
can
do
Jim
Baker
from
the
DNR
helped
us
early
on,
because
he
helped
us
understand
the
importance
of
the
fishery,
so
he
came
in
and
then
he
would
come
out.
When
we
had
a
question
in
ER,
we
had
an
obstacle
to
overcome.
B
She
always
said
to
me
the
fish
Trump
everything
the
fish
Trump
everything
so
that
was
my
goal,
was
to
remember
that
we
needed
those
who
can
influence
and
luckily
Jim
had
already
left
the
House
of
Representatives
and
dale
kildee
came
in
and
was
our
representative,
and
he
was
willing
to
carry
the
ball
for
us
so
that
we
could
get
a
federal
appropriation
which
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
and
then
what
I
didn't?
Do
because
I
didn't
know
to
do
it,
but
get
those
involved
too.
B
You
need
permission
from
eventually
have
we
realized
we
would
have
had
so
many
approvals.
We
might
have
brought
people
in
on
the
front
end
to
help
us
say:
here's
kind
of
the
rules
you've
got
to
be
in
there.
Here's
the
framework
you've
got
to
work
in.
We
have
no
knowledge
of
that
in
our
neat.
Naivete
could
be
an
issue
you
know
it
was
gives
you
that
half
glass
is
half-full
attitude,
but
at
the
same
time
we
miss
things.
I
can't
also
talk
about
electric
key
group.
Right
can't
talk
about
the
value
of
partnerships.
B
B
We
had
to
find
a
compensating
cut
and
I
won't
go
into
the
details
of
it,
because
it's
ugly
and
boring,
but
Sanders
was
willing
it
for
us
to
cut
into
there
for
the
golf
course
no
charge,
and
they
gave
us
45
thousand
dollars
in
cash
to
do
the
project.
You
need
to
find
the
right
partners
to
align
yourself
with
the
city
of
Frankenmuth,
who
I
don't
directly
work
for
I
work
for
the
Downtown,
Development
Authority,
but
I
think
Alicia
and
I
were
talking.
B
We
have
to
get
the
local
people
to
understand
the
value
of
the
project
and
know
that
it
should
be,
and
then
we
can.
If
we
feel
that
it
should
happen,
then
you
can
find
the
way
there
and
that
was
really
important.
The
city
of
Frankenmuth
stood
by
the
project
the
entire
time,
even
though
it
was
dreadfully
long
and
the
DDA
my
business
side.
The
group
I
work
for
was
willing
to
allow
me
to
work
on
it,
which
was
a
good
thing,
was
kind
of
their
loan
project
manager,
M
DNR.
B
The
second
aa
watershed
initiative,
Network
I've,
already
mentioned
from
our
little
dam
committee,
came
to
cast
River
Greenway.
They
continued
to
help
us
move
the
project
along
and
Saginaw
Bay
our
C
and
D
Jim
is
here.
I
know
he
would.
He
would
help
us
where
he
could,
where
you
know
with
influence
as
well
as
individuals,
I
see.
Charlie
power
was
very
influential
on
helping
the
structure.
What
to
do
it
wasn't
it.
It
was
not
an
easy
project,
but
our
partnerships
with
other
organizations
was
extremely
critical.
B
So
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
Corps
of
Engineers,
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
We
work
we
needed
funding
and
the
public
sector
consultants
in
the
report
noted
different
things,
and
one
of
it
was
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
So
we
said
hello,
US,
Army,
Corps,
sometimes
I
wonder
about
that.
First
date.
You
know
you
kind
of
know
these
things,
but
it
ended
up
that
they
were
able
to
take
our
project
up
to
specially
commissioned,
which
received
a
high
priority
rating,
which
was
very
good
when
we
started
looking
for
funding.
B
The
fishery
commission,
you
may
know,
is
the
five
Great
Lakes
states
and
the
Canadian
provinces
meet
together
for
these
exceptional
bodies
of
water.
So
it
was
important
that
we
got
that
rating
and
in
2010
the
Great
Lakes
restoration
fund
was
initiated
and
acted.
It's
a
federal
program
which
has
just
been
renewed
as
I
understand,
through
debbie
Stabenow
s
office
to
help
projects
like
this
one.
So
the
Corps
was
our
work,
our
connection
to
these
dollars,
so
we
kind
of
were
at
a
forced
marriage.
We
had
a
courtship
of
about
ten
years.
B
It
took
us
every
time
we
would
get
a
weekend
going
on
something
we'd
get
a
new
project
manager.
This
is
nothing
against
the
Corps,
it's
just
part
of
their
BMS
organization,
so
they
had
many
many
Cylons.
Every
time
we
had
you
went
into
real
estate,
you
had
to
talk
to
the
real
estate.
He
went
into
design,
you
had
to
talk
to
design
and
plan,
and
you
had
you
name
it.
We
had
to
jump
over
that
hoop
in
order
to
get
there
and
they
were
our
Carter.
B
So
you
know
when
you
have
friends
like
that
who
needs
enemies
right,
but
they
were
our
friends
and
they
they
did
walk
us
through
the
entire
project
they
actually
outside
of
their
normal
way.
Business
allowed
us
to
bring
in
an
expert
who
was
dr.
sandy
very
out
of
Grand
Rapids
Minnesota,
whose
life
had
been
spent
building
rock
ramps
in
Minnesota,
not
something
usual
in
Michigan,
but
something
variational
in
Minnesota.
So
they
allowed
us
to
hire
sandy
to
design
and
then
they
would
import
the
the
design
and
put
it
in
there
and
put
output
machine.
B
We
had
a
simple
problem
that
the
software
didn't
talk
together,
that
took
a
year
to
figure
out
kind
of
one
of
those
sad
things
that
you
think
in
today's
world
we
can't
figure
out
how
to
get
computer
a
to
talk
to
computer
B.
So
as
mine
I,
each
side
I
would
fly
off
the
handle,
throw
things
in
the
office
and
then
and
then
get
on
with
life.
That
happened
a
lot.
B
B
B
Agreement
required
is
to
come
up
with
a
35%
of
the
money,
which
is
awesome.
We
didn't
have
to
come
up
with
that
or
some
of
the
money,
so
that
was
our
that's.
What
we
had
to
give
up.
We
had
to
give
up
control.
We
gave
all
the
control
to
the
core
became
a
problem
because
it's
our
it's
our
River
right,
it's
where
we
lived.
So
why
do
you
have
to
tell
us
we
have
to
do
it
that
way
it
was.
It
was
a
internal
struggle
with
us
trying
to
work
with
our
partner.
B
They
used
a
program
which
I
can't
remember
the
number
of
that
allowed
them
to
hire
a
specialty
company
that
was
already
pre-qualified
in
the
crush
negotiated
direct
contract,
which
I
do
believe,
shorten
the
time
frame
when
we
were
able
to
start
building
and
enabled
us
to
get
a
good
contractor
that
we
were
really
happy
with,
and
we
were
very
happy.
They
were
CTI
enough,
I
think
whitson,
woodson
Laker
works
in
Michigan,
one
of
the
other.
B
We
began
construction
with
them
in
14
and
finished
in
15
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute
and
we're
still
really
working
on
trying
to
close
out
the
project.
So
then
we
come
fish
and
wildlife
service.
I
know
she'll,
be
into
hers
here
today,
maybe
some
other
folks.
They
were
excellent
group
to
work
with.
We
started
with
the
Alpena
office,
but
you
know
we
took
13
years
to
do
this,
so
we
went
through
a
few
different
people
there.
Today
we
work
with
Justin
she
ot
out
of
their
office.
B
They
gave
us
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
grant,
which
under
wrote
the
design
special
to
the
specialist
sandy.
Very
that
really
took
some
burden
off
of
us
and
gave
us
some
reassurance
that
what
we
were
building
was
actually
going
to
work.
They
also
allowed
a
very
reasonable
policy
on
sea
lamprey.
So
no
one
likes
sea
lamprey.
Not
only
are
they
ugly
they're
harmful
to
our
fish
population
but
because
our
River
is
a
flash
river,
so
it
comes
up
and
it
goes
down.
It
comes
up.
B
There
were
periods
in
the
last
millennium
where
fish
could
pass
and
go
over
the
dam
because
of
the
depth
of
the
water.
The
sea
lamprey
could
if
the
fish
could
pass
at
that
time,
so
with
the
sea
lamprey,
so
Fish
and
Wildlife
has
been
treating
the
upstream
for
sea
lamprey,
so
they
said
well
you're
removing
the
the
barrier
for
most
of
sea
lamprey.
We
still
have
them
so
we're
not
going
to
worry
about
the
sea.
Lamprey
passage.
That
was
a
really
good
thing.
B
B
Where
I'm
coming
from,
but
this
group
has
a
hard
road
hope
they
are
not
only
responsible
for
advocacy
but
they're,
also
responsible
for
regulations.
So
it's
kind
of
like
working
with
your
mom.
She
says
yeah
we'll
do
that
and
then
she
says
don't
be
home
after
11
o'clock,
you
know,
go,
go,
find
your
life,
but
are
you
gonna
marry
the
right
man?
You
know
it's
it's
it's
it's
very
hard.
They
have
this.
They
have
this
dual
role.
B
To
maintain
and
as
a
naive
person
and
from
a
naive
point
of
view
of
the
city
of
Frankenmuth,
it
was
it's
been
difficult
to
get
through
their
enormous
list
of
rules
and
regulations
and
they're
there,
because
somebody
else
screwed
up
earlier.
We
all
know
my
rules
are
there,
but
they
were
responsible.
Sort
of
for
quality
control
for
the
state
of
Michigan
and
I
will
give
them
the
kudos
that
they
are
watching
out
for
the
state
of
Michigan,
the
federal
government
versus
the
state.
B
We
ended
up
in
a
duel
between
the
two
organizations
and,
as
someone
said
to
me,
you're
in
the
game.
He
just
happened
to
be
the
ball,
so
it
was.
It
was
real
difficult
to.
It
still
is
difficult
to
understand
what
a
quarter-inch
energy
great
difference
means,
but
it's
important
for
the
state
of
Michigan
to
understand
that
and
to
protect
the
waterway
protect
property
owners.
So
we
had
various
departments
working
on
with
us
overtime.
We
we've
met
excellent
people
from
both
the
course
I'd
and
the
DEQ
side.
B
We've
met
excellent,
excellent
people,
doing
good
jobs
at
their
job,
but,
as
I
said
it's
hard
to
be
that
bad
kid
and
the
rigging.
So
there
were
days
that
this
looked
like
this.
We
had
the
project,
we
had
the
core
that
you
have
been
MDEQ
trying
to
make
sausage
and
we
still
don't
know
when
we're
going
to
get
finalized,
but
we
have
a
plan
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
minute:
I'm
private,
going
way
over
time.
I'm.
B
Sorry,
we
had
13
years
of
study,
review,
study,
review
that
was
difficult
to
live
through
when
you
sitting
in
the
office
trying
to
make
the
report
to
the
City
Council
like.
So
what
are
we
doing?
Now?
All
we
need
another
extension.
We
need
this.
We
need
that
lots
of
things
were
studying
everything
from
the
soil
borings
within
the
dam
to
the
fish
and
fauna.
What's
going
to
happen
when
those
stones
come
in,
we
had
lots
of
damn
hurdles.
I
mentioned
the
Indiana
back.
B
We
we
found
out
at
the
beginning
of
March
that
the
Indian
Anna
BAP
liked
our
trees,
but
could
like
our
trees.
Therefore,
Fish
and
Wildlife
said:
if
you
want
to
come
down
to
do
the
project,
this
fall,
you
need
to
cut
them
before
March,
31st,
okay,
we'll
just
go
out
and
do
that
it
was.
We
managed
it
and
we
did
everything
legally,
but
it
was
that
kind
of
continuous
change
in
orders
that
was
very
difficult
to
manage,
and
every
time
we
had
delay
cost
us
more
money
and
more
work,
more
study
and
then
oh.
B
We
also
have
to
do
this.
That
was
very
hard
to
figure
out
and,
as
I've
already
mentioned,
it
was
hard
to
know
who
was
on
first
okay.
If
this
change,
then
it
went
through
the
dominoes
everybody
had
to
change
and
come
back
with
approval
that
was
an
or
as
all
get-out
and
I've
mentioned
more
than
once.
Our
inexperience,
it
was
a
new
project
for
every
agency
that
was
involved,
including
us
in
the
city,
so
they
were
nuances.
B
No
one
would
have
ever
considered
until
somebody's
reading
it
and
said:
hey,
do
you
remember
you
know
page
64
of
the
book
it
has
this?
Then
we
have
to
and
we'd
have
to
reorient
to
make
sure
we
were
meeting
the
requirements
of
page
64.
So
let's
talk
about
the
project
we
kind
of
had
two
projects.
One
was
a
land
project.
One
was
a
water
project,
the
water
project.
You
can
see
if
I,
don't
change
this
honest
again.
B
This
is
the
water
project.
Here
you
can
see
the
arches,
we
had
the
compensating
cut
land
project
and
we
had.
We
have
a
levee
all
along
our
north
bank
and
we
had
to
make
sure
that
a
part
of
it
was
at
the
hundred-year
flat
protective
level.
We
are
having
levee
problems
as
well.
So
when
I
finished
with
the
dam,
we
start
on
the
levee
home
life.
It
goes
on.
It's
it's
wonderful!
In
your
public
service,
the
two
lamb
projects
were
done
in
the
fall
of
16
or
14,
and
we
started
to
receive
stone.
B
We
received
more
than
25,000
tons
of
stone,
quarry
from
Alpena
and
bayport
all
equipment
we
used
was
environmentally
friendly
and
they
checked
the
hoses
every
day
there
was
not
an
issue,
we
built
an
access
road
and
you
can
see
the
rocks
were
brought
down
in
big
dumpsters,
a
big.
We
have
big
diggers
and
big
dumpsters
I'm.
Sorry
I
told
you
I'm
not
talking,
so
it's
not
kind
of
how
I
looked
at
it.
Hundreds
of
deliveries
to
the
water
every
day
watching
the
machines
move
was
like
watching
a
dance.
B
It
was
incredibly
interesting
and
we
continued
to
have
crowds
along
the
shoreline
watching
it
I
know
when
they
did
this
in
chesaning.
They
actually
set
up
features,
because
so
many
people
came
to
watch
it.
It's
it's
something
you
wouldn't
expect
you
can
see.
There's
a
man
standing
on
a
rock
all
of
the
stones
were
placed
per
the
design
based
on
height
and
location,
very
hard
to
do
when
you're
working
with
the
big
clod
big
bucket
at
the
end
of
the
arm,
to
get
the
exact
measurement.
B
But
overall
it
did
very
well
here's
the
first
two
Weir's
on
the
line.
So,
if
you're
looking
at
it's
on
your
left
of
the
screen,
you
see
the
dam,
then
you
see
the
Weir's
be
constructed.
There's
a
waterway
through
the
Weir's,
for
if
some
day
maybes
kayakers
come
come
we
can
have
with
have
had
sandstone
movement,
so
you
probably
don't
want
to
kayak
during
the
global
water
and
up
right
in
the
middle
of
its
dome,
but
in
high
water.
You
could
easily
kayak
over
the
dam
now
which
you
couldn't
do
before.
B
B
So
we
we
start
going
downstream
and
all
of
a
sudden,
I'm
kind
of
wobbly
says
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
deep,
we'll
turn
around
so
we
turned
around
and
of
course
we
hit
a
hole
and
that's
my
arm
in
the
window.
If
you
can
see
it,
I
was
holding
on
for
dear
life,
I
thought:
well,
it's
not
deep
and
I
can
swim,
but
the
machine
had
a
leveling
and
a
leveling
arm
to
it.
So
we
were
able
to
write
ourselves
and
get
out,
but
it
was
the
most
excitement
I'd
ever
had
in
my
life.
B
We
waited
till
after
Labor
Day
to
drop
to
work
on
the
dam
itself
and
we
did
drop
it
for
feet
and
then
add
stone
back
in.
We
did
that
in
order
to
protect
the
busy
Labor
Day
weekend
for
our
commercial
boats,
but
then
it
started
raining
so
couldn't
do
work
in
the
rain
made
a
lot
of
water.
So
we
had
a
lot
of
manipulations
to
do
and
I
decided
to
take
it
to
a
trip
to
Europe.
It
was
a
quite
interesting,
but
it
was
left
in
good
hands
and,
and
that
committee
finished
her.
B
The
project
was
mostly
finished
by
the
end
of
September
and
here's
of
you
I
know
it.
You've
had
Mike
Mike
used
for
the
in
report
for
the
wind
cover
of
the
dam
I.
Have
that
picture
also
it's
one
of
my
favorite
pictures,
but
you
can
see
easily
the
arch
it
is.
You
can
see
how
we
connected.
You
can
see,
there's
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
stone
in
there,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
the
mtq
hasn't
closed
down
the
project.
So
I'm
supposed
to
talk
about
the
money.
B
I
know
Shirley
Roberts
is
here,
but
when
I
was
in
Bay
City,
she
was
just
starting
the
projects
with
the
abidor
and
they
sale
and
she
had
said
to
me
and
I
never
have
forgot
it
and
I've
used
it
multiple
times
that
if
it's
a
good
project,
the
money
will
be
easy
to
find
and
I
have
believed
her.
All
this
time
and
I
still
do
believe
it.
We
did
have
a
relatively.
B
We
received
a
$50,000
grant
that
they
held
for
maybe
five
years
they
had
a
reserve
line
for
us.
Thank
goodness.
Mike
was
able
to
to
keep
that
from
saying,
Nathan
reapply.
We
would
move
forward.
We
move
back
move
forward
back
and
eventually
we
got
to
the
point
that
I
said:
Mike
write
the
check
it's
time
to
go.
We
were
able
to
identify
tangible
community
of
support,
and
that
was
investment
by
both
the
city
and
the
Downtown
Development
Authority
through
the
tax
increment
fund.
Many
of
you
know
what
those
are.
B
I
won't
go
into
the
text,
income
and
fund,
but
we
were
able
to
pull
local
money
in
because
you've
got
to
put
your
money
where
your
mouth
is.
If
you're
going
to
ask
somebody
for
money,
you've
got
to
be
able
to
say
I
believe
in
it
enough
to
invest
myself,
and
you
must
always
make
that
ask
Wally
Brunner.
Many
of
you
know:
Bronner's
Christmas
wonderland
was
a
master
fund
raiser.
B
He
could
sell
you
ice
cream
in
Alaska
and
he
could
get
you
to
donate
and
he
said
to
me
once
it's
your
obligation
to
share
the
joy
you
give
and
given
by
asking
somebody
else
to
give
as
well
and
I've,
never
forgotten
that,
because
if
you
don't
ask
you
don't
get
right,
that's
the
hardest
thing.
When
you're
a
volunteer
is
asking
for
your
money,
but
if
you
what's,
the
worst
they're
going
to
say
is
no
right,
so
you
go
on
finish
and
walk
out
and
you
go
find.
B
Somebody
else
to
ask
and
that's
sort
of
the
the
goal
that
what
we
had
to
keep
doing,
because
every
time
we
got
a
new
report,
it
was
more
money
and
we
were
able
to
raise
about
1.3
million
through
the
city
and
many
funders
who
I've
listed
here.
I
can't
tell
you
enough
I'm
going
to
mention
the
last
list
on
the
last
name
on
the
last
great
column,
as
friends
of
dr.
Fred's
under
local
eye,
doctor
kind
of
died.
B
Quite
when
unexpected
three
of
his
friends
wrote
hundred
dollar
checks
to
the
Franklin
dam
project,
that's
community
support
I
mean
we.
We
got
the
wonderful
big
donations
started.
Wes
was
our
number
one
donation
aside
from
the
GRI
money
and
we
got
great
support
from
local
communities.
But
that
meant
a
lot
because
that
meant
the
local
community
wanted
it
back
to
Alicia's
comment.
The
community
needs
to
believe
the
project
should
be
done
and
then
you
find
a
way
to
pay
for
it.
B
So
actually,
this
is
thought
number
four
be
sure
your
community
wants
the
project
when
that
happens,
and
you
have
reduction
by
none
have
your
ducks
in
a
row,
but
you've
got
people
believing
you
know
what
you're
doing,
even
if
you
were
even
on
the
night,
what
you
doing
so
we
had
to
enter
into
a
what
was
it
called
I?
Forget
the
cooky,
a
with
the
Corps
of
Engineers,
a
project
partnership
agreement.
B
If
you've
never
worked
on
one,
it's
6535
deal,
they
bring
$65
to
the
table,
you
bring
$35
to
the
table
and
it
really
is
a
good
program
and
but
before
you
have
to
jump
through
a
lot
of
Hoops
to
get
it
that's
sort
of
what
you
have
to
do.
There
is
no
free
money,
I
know
the
common
citizen.
Things
go
right
for
a
grant
for
it
or
whatever,
but
there
is
no
free
money.
You've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
make
things
happen.
B
B
There
was
an
in-kind
credit
available,
but
it
really
had
limited
value
and
part
of
our
field.
Studies
that
are
done
to
show
fish
passage
are
part
of
what
are
pink
kind
services
and
eventually
they
did
it
took
so
long.
They
did
give
us
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
grant
to
make
up
for
previous
work
that
had
been
done
in
the
seven
years
prior.
B
It
was
really
rewarding
that
we
were
able
to
not
only
fund
it
locally
but
to
bring
in
money
from
others
who
care
about
the
same
thing,
and
then,
of
course,
our
fish
and
wildlife
grant.
So
have
we
achieved
our
goals?
We
have.
We
maintain
the
river
profile
up
north
upstream
up
north
up
to
our
tour
boats
operate
and
they
they've
had
bang-up
year.
It's
been
a
great
year
for
weather
and
tourism
in
our
region,
and
our
people
are
very
happy.
B
We
have
started
I
know,
Derek
fishes
be
our
Parks
and
Rec
director
spoke
this
morning
a
little
bit
about
our
new
task:
river
water
trail.
We
have
people
kayaking
and
it's
not
about
the
fish
ladder.
I
told
you
to
be
hard
to
kayak
over
that
right
now,
but
it's
the
interest
in
the
river,
which
is
happening
all
across
mid-michigan
interest
in
the
river,
is
a
good
thing,
and
this
is
a
picture
from
the
recent
most
recent
Fish
and
Wildlife
survey.
B
Yes,
we
do
have
fish
passing
and
let
me
see
if
I
get
my
glasses
on
I
can
probably
read
it
easier
than
you
can
from
a
distance.
652
fish
were
tagged
downstream
of
the
rock
ramp
and
sixteen,
and
they
captured
three
upstream
well.
3
doesn't
sound
like
very
many,
but
if
you're
looking
at
thousands
of
fish
three
out
of
six
hundred
fifty
two
is
not
too
bad.
I
know
Fish
and
Wildlife's.
B
Very
happy-
and
this
was
just
from
the
draft
that
was
released
in
March
of
2017,
so,
yes,
I
think
we
do
have
a
good
damn
story
to
tell.
We
had
good
community
of
Life
enhancements,
our
River
accesses
and
opportunities
for
recreational
use.
Are
there
historic
preservation?
Well,
there
was
nothing
preserved
about
the
dam,
nothing
to
preserve
about
the
dam,
but
we
kept
the
landmark
for
the
community,
and
now
it's
not
just
a
landmark.
B
Now
it's
a
place
where
prom
pictures
are
taken
and
gave
pictures
are
taken
and
senior
photos
are
taken
and
kids
are
out
there
with
their
little.
You
know
five
and
ten
fishing
pull
trying
to
catch
something
in
the
river.
That's
an
amazing
thing:
environmental
stewardship
I
do
believe:
we've
had
successful
fish
passage
and
we're
going
to
see
more
of
it,
which
will
benefit
the
whole
bay
new
commercial
opportunity.
I
mentioned
eco
tourism
and
the
cast
River
Water
Trail.
B
Perhaps
the
decisions
out
on
that,
but
if
I'm
Betty,
if
I
were
a
betting
girl
which
sometimes
I
am
I,
think
we're
going
to
achieve
it,
we're
on
the
way
to
final
approvals.
So
as
much
as
we've
had
this
turf
war
between
the
core
and
the
deep
queue
they've
come
to
agreement
on
here's,
what
is
a
bill
which
is
out
of
the
required
specifications
of
the
DEQ
regulations?
B
So
the
core
is
coming
up
with
plans
to
try
and
get
within
those
regulations
and
we're
working
together,
we're
hoping
to
have
the
plan
done
by
the
end
of
December.
It's
probably
90
for
me
to
think.
Well,
actually
we
have
the
fix
done
by
the
end
of
December,
but
once
that's
done,
then
we
can
start
on
the
levee
project,
which
is
part
of
the
post-katrina.
All
the
all
the
levees
in
this
country
being
reviewed,
the
one
in
Frankenmuth
is
doesn't
meet
the
current
requirements,
but
we
can't
work
on
that
until
we
resolve
the
dam.
B
So
final
thoughts
identify
what
you
don't
know
and
see
who
can
help
you
figure
that
out
gather
a
team
and
get
them
involved
early.
We
really
wish
me
to
been
able
to
on
the
technical
side,
people
of
the
DEQ
and
the
core
early,
so
we
wouldn't
know
what
we
were
working
in
and
they
know
what
direction
we
were
going.
They
have
rules
to
follow,
I
get
that,
but
is
there
a
way
we
could
have
done
things
earlier?
That
would
have
made
this
part
easier.
B
Surely
I
do
believe
it's
a
good
project
and
we
can
find
the
money
for
it.
You
have
to
go
in
thinking
about
that,
but
what
makes
it
a
good
project?
It's
it's!
Knowing
that
your
committee
community
wants
it
done,
because
it
should
be
done.
So
my
last
two
pictures
this
is
that
number
five.
When
we
had
our
ribbon
cutting
some
of
you
may
have
been
there
and
thank
you
for
coming
the
ribbon
cutting.
We
involved
the
local
community
foundation,
youth
group
and,
of
course,
she
saw
all
those
wrongs
out
there.
B
I
was
not
walking
out
there
on
high
heels
to
cut
that
ribbon.
So
we
thought,
let's
let
the
kids
do
it,
they
loved
it.
The
scissors
had
a
hard
time,
cutting
it.
If
it
had
been
a
red
ribbon,
it
might
have
been
cleaner,
but
it
was
a
pretty
blue
ribbon
and
I
love
this
picture
because
it
was
the
project
it
was
finished
and
it
was
youth,
and
that
is
a
lot
of
part
of
what
we
do.
B
But
when
I
look
at
myself,
I
kind
of
do
have
to
look
at
each
other
of
your
team
and
say:
do
we
want
to
do
it?
Let's
be
crazy
enough
and
stick
with
it
and
we
did
and
then,
of
course,
here's
here's
the
million-dollar
shot.
This
was
taken
CT
I,
actually
before
you
had
so
many
regulations
on
drugs
took
this
picture
and
the
clerk
has
a
hard
time
using
it
because
it
was
sense
believable.
But
that's
one
of
the
things
that
you
kind
of
learn.
B
It's
it's
a
magnificent
project.
If
you
haven't
seen
it
I,
certainly
invite
you,
you
all
know
we
make
great
chicken,
but
we
also
have
great
wine
beer,
sandwiches,
music.
We
have
a
wonderful
main
street.
We
have
a
great
hospitality
industry
and-
and
any
of
you
that
come
in
that
come
to
see
the
dam,
we're
glad
to
have
you.