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From YouTube: Local heritage list webinar 3 March 2022 Meeting Recording

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A recording on the online meeting held on 3 March 2022 talking about the Heritage List project and how to nominate an asset. More details at www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/localheritagelist

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um Hello welcome everybody um to our local heritage list project webinar.

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So this is the first one of two sessions that we're going to um to run together. They are.

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Duplication, so you don't need to come to to both sessions, so obviously one this evening and then.

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We're running another one on tuesday next week, um but during during daytime rather than evening.

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So um anybody that isn't able to come tonight um and is able to come on tuesday they'd be more than.

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Welcome this is um a session really for for everyone. We've been particularly focused on.

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Contacting our local community groups, as they do represent quite a large number of people.

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But we're also very much welcoming individuals. I know there's a number of individuals that are also.

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Probably attending tonight or on tuesday, so just welcoming everybody and welcoming you, everybody.

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And across the whole of dorset, so bcp, council area and dorset are represented here today. So.

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I'm going to do some introductions now um because you can see some faces um showing.

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Here and just want to introduce the people that are here, my name is caroline peach.

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I'm the urban designer and conservation manager for bcp in the planning team um can I ask alison.

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Hi everybody I'm glad you're all able to come tonight. um My name's alison turnock, I'm the.

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Service manager for conservation at dorset, council and I manage the conservation team and the tree.

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Team- and I will pass you over to james thanks alison good evening- everyone yeah I'm uh james.

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Weir I'm one of the senior conservation officers at dorset council and I um deal particularly in.

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uh Heritage input to spatial planning matters, things like the local plan and neighborhood plans.

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And what have you as well as dealing with um again heritage inputs and major planning applications.

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Thank you very much and sarah you've already already met and been introduced. So thank you.

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That's that's us, so I'm gonna just explain a little bit about um what we're gonna do. This.

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Evening, our webinar content, um so what we want to do is, as sarah explained, we're going to run.

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Through a presentation for you, um but we're going to make sure we leave plenty of time.

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For questions and answers at the end and as sarah explained we're going to run the presentation with.

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The you know as as a whole and then we'll we'll do those questions at the end. So if.

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You do think of anything while we're well we're talking. Please just make a note of it write it.

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Down so you remember for the end, because you may you may forget by the time you get to the end so.

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I encourage you to do that, so we're going to cover a bit about project background. um I think allison.

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Is going to going to talk to us a little bit about where we, where we are, what how we are where we are.

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We're going to talk a bit about heritage assets, what they actually are um and why it's good to.

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Have a list of local heritage assets? That's basically explaining why we're here doing.

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What we're doing really um and I'm going to talk a little bit about how we're going to make sure that.

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The list is robust and what that really means um we're going to show you a video on how to make a.

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Nomination, which I really hope will be a practical, useful um tool for you to sort of just see how.

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How that is done um and how to do that, and we are going to talk a little bit more about.

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um The sort of um uh sort of level of expectations that it were about how to how to sort of fill in.

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The paperwork and hopefully show that it's not quite as sort of big and onerous, as perhaps some.

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Are fearing um james is also going to talk us through um some examples? Some case studies so.

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Trying to just demonstrate to you how this works and how we'll be applying.

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Some of the the sort of criteria and some of the the ideas behind.

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Making nominations so explain a bit more about that and apply it to some some actual um sites.

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On the ground um and then we're going to explain, what's going to happen next, once we've got all.

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These nominations um from you, which we hope you're you're, going to send us through and we'll.

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Explain about what those next steps are and then we'll move into our questions and answer sessions.

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And do our best to answer as many things as we can, so I think I'm handing over now to allison.

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Thank you, caroline. So the start of this project really was autumn 2020. When a funding stream was.

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Announced by what was the mnmc mhclg, I always had problems with that. So it's now the department of.

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Living leveling up housing and communities, which is much easier to say for councils to create a.

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List of local heritage assets, it was a very tight time schedule. I think it's probably fair to say.

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That originally, we were looking at having maybe a bid for dorset and a bid for bcp. But we had a.

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Very strong steer that they were looking for. Ideally, some county sort of county-wide bids.

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So in that autumn we started working with bcp to work up a joint bid and I have to say from.

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My perspective, that's been a really very helpful thing because it's been one of.

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The main ways that we've actually endorsed it been working practically with bcp jointly on a.

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Project and that's been a really good exercise in partnership working, so we spent um quite.

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A lot of time making sure that we included the areas that we wanted to within the bid.

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And and the bid really was for local authorities to develop their own local lists of heritage.

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Assets which I'm going to come on to in a minute or two to explain the background for that.

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So in dorset we we haven't got one at the moment.

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We heard in spring 2021 that we'd been successful in obtaining funding and actually the government.

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Reported that they'd had such a good response to the original.

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Funding announcement that they doubled the amount of funding and gave funding to 22 local.

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Authorities- so we heard about that last spring and we've been working since then to get the.

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Infrastructure in place, really, if you like, to actually enable the all of you really to nominate.

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Assets that you would like to see on our local lists, we appointed land use consultants in the.

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Summer to be leading the work for us, because both local authorities have not got the capacity to.

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Bring together a team to actually do the work on that and they have spent the last few months.

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Looking at the criteria that we want to be using and james will be talking about that later in the.

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Session and talking with the various comms teams and gis teams to develop the website.

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And the best way of submitting your nominations now, I'd just like to say originally all of us.

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Were extremely keen on getting everybody together and having some public consultations in person.

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And obviously, with the way kovid's continued, it's not been possible to.

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To do that, so we are, we are using these uh webinars, which it has benefits and its benefits.

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But we'd be interested in potentially getting some feedback on what you'd like to see in the future.

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So, where we are now february to april we've, we've now launched our public consultation to.

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Seek nominations for heritage assets to go on our local lists.

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And we've we've so we're going to have an eight-week consultation period which will be.

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Finishing I think, on the 11th of april, so you've still got well over a month.

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To get your nominations in, can I have the next slide, please, sarah, so just to give a little bit.

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Of background, which I know some of you will know- and others may not about some of the different.

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Types of heritage assets that we've got and what we're looking for in this particular project.

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We obviously have different levels of assets. International designations can include things.

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Like world heritage sites built world heritage, sites can include things like.

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Stonehenge iron bridge blenheim palace, the one that everybody knows around here, obviously is the.

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Jurassic coast, which is a natural world heritage site, but there are built built world heritage.

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Sites are the ones I've just mentioned. National designations include things like um scheduled.

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Ancient monuments, which can can be in a variety of of assets fairly near to where I live, we have.

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Wear and walls which actually circled saxon walls which encircled the original town and they are a.

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Scheduled ancient monument of national importance- and we have things like listed buildings, which.

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Are designated nationally and we have in many thousands of those and even across dorset. We have.

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We reckon um around 12 and a half thousand of those local heritage. Assets include things at a.

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Local level, like conservation areas and there's over ten thousand of those across the whole.

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Country designated by local authorities, which have architectural qualities or historic merit.

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Many of you may live in or near conservation areas. There are a lot across the the two local.

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Authorities um we've got, I think, we've got around 187 in dorset and I know there'll be. I don't know.

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The numbers for bcp, but caroline may may want to mention that later and then we have local heritage.

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Assets so they're, the ones that are of interest and valued by the local community. James is going.

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To be going in into a bit more detail later on about the different types of heritage assets that.

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We're looking for you to put nominations in about, broadly speaking, we're looking at four categories.

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Buildings structures, sites and places and gardens and designed landscapes.

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So if you know of any local assets that you think should be put on a local list, then please start.

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Getting your list together and working on your nominations. Can I have the next slide? Please. Sarah.

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So why have a list of of local heritage assets? First of all, we don't absolutely.

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Have to have a list, it's not a requirement or a statutory duty of local authorities. To do this.

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Local heritage can be recognised without a list. However, a list is a really useful thing to have.

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Because, as it says here, one of the benefits is having a public record of the local heritage.

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That's valued um and recognised by the by the local community means that it's actually there.

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Recorded and in a form that those making decisions on planning applications and other policy issues.

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Can actually lay their hands on it very easily. They can still be recognized in in planning.

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Terms as a material consideration in planning applications, however, it's much more piecemeal.

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And much more difficult for those making those decisions to do it. If you haven't, got a local list.

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Bcp has some historic local lists from their legacy authorities, but in dorset we don't have.

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An existing local list and we're very keen to use this process as a way of of working up towards a.

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Local list and it's a great opportunity for us to actually get a lot of buildings and um other.

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Assets nominated within a defined time period and actually have support from land use consultants to.

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Actually start to shape that into a format that we can take to our local members and we'll be talking.

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About that a bit more later, so to summarize um that the key key reasons are, we provide we're.

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Getting upfront, clarity to developers, property owners, the community and decision makers as to.

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Where the local assets are so that they know that it's worth keeping those in mind when.

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They're coming up with their proposals and that information has been agreed and gone through a.

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Local consultation, public consultation process and gone through a process with our elected members.

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Thank you very much. I think that I'm going on.

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To caroline, so I will switch my mic off thanks. Caroline. Thank you. Thanks alison, um it's a bit.

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Of a tag team, this isn't it hand over here hand over there, um so yeah just gonna mention here.

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About about the making sure the the list that we end up with is robust and that it's sort.

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Of um is, is sort of useful usable and um that it it it will sort of stand the test of times.

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And go through through the the sort of prop the process that that we have for planning that it.

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Sort of stands up to that and it withstands some sort of scrutiny. So there is so that's one of the.

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Reasons why we're going through a fairly? um Why we're asking what we are in the way that we are.

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For that reason really so we are we've actually through working with luc consultants. We who've.

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Helped come up with um some criteria and values um which we're going to use um a sort.

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Of to sort of benchmark and apply to each of the different types of heritage, asset.

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So those different um those criteria, those values- we've got six of them and we'll apply.

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All of them, but not all of them, may be relevant this, and this is something that james is going.

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To touch on when he starts talking about case studies and applying it sort of in a practical way,.

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um Because it's not always relevant to to each of the different types of um heritage, assets.

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So the information that we're going to to receive from you um we'll be we'll be sort of looking at.

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We'll be looking at how it relates then, to to the different criteria, and then the next.

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Part of the assessment that we'll do is actually understanding. Okay. Well, you have an asset and.

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We understand um it meets these particular criteria, but how important is, is it in terms.

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Of how it meets that criteria, how significant is it it's all about building up this picture.

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So, as part of that assessment, what we're going to do is is look at um and understand whether.

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It's of local interests um at an outstanding level, a high level, a moderate level. um It has little.

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Local interest- or it doesn't apply at all, it has none. So it starts to sort of add some.

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Kind of value to that, so it's trying to be as kind of objective as we can and as consistent.

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As we can to sort of build out that picture, how important a particular asset might be.

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So it just got that level of rigor and scrutiny applied, and this is so that we we can look to see.

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Which those heritage assets actually meet a standard, because not everything that's.

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Nominated or necessarily once it's been through, that process be of a standard.

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That is appropriate to put on that list for that in the way that I've just described so.

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There will be some some uh assets that will be nominated to us that might won't meet that.

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Standard and they won't be added to the list or won't be recommended to be added to the list.

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And in the case of bcp, where alison was mentioning that bcp have existing local heritage assets.

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That are on a local list. There were some of those that may not be appropriate anymore. They've been.

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Tested through this, this process or the term that the list just in itself needs updating, because.

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um Circumstances have changed and assets, maybe are changed significantly or are no longer. There.

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So there's there's a whole series of sort of updates um and assessment. That's that's going.

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To take place as part of this process so quite involved, some of that is about what we're doing.

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Rather than what you're doing so, trying to just explain what what is going to happen once your.

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Nomination is in with us we're essentially going to be assessing against criteria and then seeing.

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How significant it is to be able to meet that's at standard and level. Okay, you'll be pleased to.

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Hear you'll get the exciting point where you get to watch a video, so this video might be a little.

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Bit quiet, so I suggest, if you might want to check your own sound quality and maybe turn it up a.

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Notch or two, if you struggle to hear the lovely fiona talking to us but I'll hand over to fiona.

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Hello, I'm fiona I'm senior communications officer for dorset council.

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And I'm going to show you how to nominate an asset on the local heritage list so.

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I'm going to share my screen with you and we're going to go to the website. So that's.

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Dot gov www.dorsetcouncil.gov uk forward slash local heritage list without any gaps in.

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And we get that page up there, so um you can there's all sorts of.

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um Bits of information here, but we're just going to go straight, to nominate an asset.

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Now, before you submit the form I'll read through this bit,.

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This bits of information here, if you click, um if the asset has already been designated.

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This um we can that you can then actually search and see whether it's um listed already.

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So I have a place I'm going to try the fiddle in that's what I'm going to be doing.

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uh Oh, no, I didn't want to do that so there we go and press ok and pop something in there paste.

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And there we go so that's and no, it hasn't been nominated.

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So um it's just in a conservation area. So that's okay! So we're going to go back to.

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Nominate an asset, so you can read all through that. You can nominate an asset at the top here.

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Or you can start down here so let's die.

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And the asset heritage asset that you are nominating, it is a building.

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Asset name, it is the pixel it whoops.

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And the address is I've got that already typed up, so I can just put that straight in.

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There and obviously that's the postcode there, so it's just easier if you've got that all there.

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And I'm going to put the exact location on the map, because I know where it is. I can circle it and.

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And use that so I'm going to use that, um but you can use any of those other other things additional.

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Like uh local information, I haven't got anything on that uh heritage. Significance of the asset.

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Edit is actually of communal value, so um this has been location of a public house.

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uh Since 1890, it's changed.

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It was pretty, you know.

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Known as uh the green dragon.

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I've got a picture, so I've got one saved up just there. So I'm going to pop that in I don't have.

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Copyright for that photo because I just picked it off of the website so um yeah better not do that.

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I haven't got any other supporting documentation on that, so asset location. So again I'm going to.

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Just put in the postcode there so that we can search it, I need to get in a bit closer.

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And you can draw then draw around it. You can either use those as shapes or free hand. So I'm.

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Going to do a free hand tool and then I'm just going to go oops a bit wobbly around the edges.

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There we go um so that's perfect for me and then my details. So I'm fiona king.

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um I'm just gonna do county hall. As my address my email.

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um Work telephone certainly for just yeah and if your preferred method is covered by phone, it's.

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Not I prefer to be contacted by email, so there we go go I give consent. So I'm going to do that.

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And, as I sort of said, preferred method of contact is there and then I could submit it.

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And that is it that's all that is involved, so I hope you found that.

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Useful. um Thank you very much for just watching this. Thank you very much. Bye.

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Thank you um to fiona for recording that for us I'm going to jump in now. If I may, I will say first.

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My my understanding is that the um that video will be uploaded to our uh website, so dorset council.

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And bcp council's websites, so it can be viewed again, perhaps on a large screen or if there were.

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Any issues with um with volume um yeah, so what I'd like to do now, if I may, is to just go through some.

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Of the case, studies um which we put together and again, which can be found on uh on both websites.

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Which are there for the different types of heritage asset which we've sort of identified as.

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Sort of categories which hopefully uh catch all of the possible assets that that could be uh that.

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Could be nominated so I've I've effectively selected um one from each of the categories.

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uh In the hope that that sort of illustrates the kind of structure or asset that could fall.

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Into that category, but also to have a look more at those values which which caroline.

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Mentioned and again greater description about those values can also be found on the websites.

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um As long uh include definitions as well as sort of factors which can affect those values, in fact.

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You're going to hear the word value, probably more than you ever have in your life, probably over the.

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Next few minutes, which I apologize, but it's these values which effectively give um the heritage.

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Assets what we call their in planning terms their significance, what makes them significant.

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um So without further ado, um the first one here I've got sort of under buildings um which is.

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709 christchurch road in boscom, many of those in the local area will be more familiar with it. As.

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Formerly motor bits until a couple of years ago, which stands sort of proudly and prominently on.

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On christchurch roads as you exit, boston and so I've put some of the um some of the sort of.

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Typical values, which we might expect to find uh with this particular asset, um being a building.

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Of course, we start with uh architectural value um so uh for architectural value, the particular.

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Value of this is that it was designed by a very prolific firm of uh of architects uh called.

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Aj sealand partners, uh which was the successor group to um uh celine hardy, which were another.

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A very uh famous uh partnership of architects in the uh twenties through to the uh to the 30s.

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And then beyond, as the partners um very very um innovative architectural practice in in.

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Particular around bournemouth, with many buildings in the art deco and what we have here. A sort of.

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A later development of art deco, the streamline modern, which was actually something which.

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Grew in america and didn't really take on hugely uh in britain, although you can find it.

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So this is a relatively early example of that in a provincial town dating from 1935.

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And one of the particular features which are distinctive of that style are obviously the sort.

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Of the heavy focus on glazing, sort of horizontal horizontal forms, curvilinear elevations and then.

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If you look at the top, you can see a sort of a particularly nice stair tower with a projecting.

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Fin, which is again, is something you particularly find, and you see it a lot on on cinemas of the.

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Mid 30s and onwards, um so overall it gives it a sort of very lightweight and smooth and sort.

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Of aerodynamic appearance, which is some of the things that contribute to its architectural value,.

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In terms of its illustrative value, um this is really interesting. To summarize is really how.

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Well does: does the building tell us anything about how it was built or how it was used, and does it.

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Illustrate anything about wider themes, so not just about the building itself.

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uh In this case, the building's been changed uh quite extensively, um certainly on the ground.

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Floor, if you poke your head um through the glass, you can see that it's essentially been sort of.

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Not through and stripped out, but nonetheless, the building itself um retains a good deal of.

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Historical illustrious value through its use of materials which particularly common to streamline.

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Modern buildings such as reinforced, concrete and steel again, giving it a very sort of giving it.

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The ability to take those shapes and very light forms um the particular advances in materials and.

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Glazing were um illustrated here very well um by by the heavily lit front, elevations.

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On a more general theme, it illustrates the general um drive in this architectural style for sort.

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Of cleanliness and efficiency and progression, which is very much uh very much a theme of that.

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Particular sort of post-depression architecture, which this effectively was so again that sort of.

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Illustrates that modernity, the associative value, is really is it linked to any particular person.

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Or particular architect or particular event, is there an association and that can be distinct.

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We've we've separated that from illustrative, because the two can actually exist sort of.

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Separately, they don't always have to be the same. um So in this case uh on thinking on a local level.

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uh It it deals very, very well with the uh the expansion of the service providers within the.

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uh Bournemouth and boscom and pool areas around the mid 30s when quite a few of them.

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Started designing very, um very high status, sort of buildings uh and another example for those of you.

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Who, uh who know bournemouth very well is the uh the former electric house on like elverton.

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Road, which is now del marco's cafe, which is also designed in that sort of very typical sort of art,.

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Deco style, so that sort of has that association with this local sort of expansion of services.

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uh In the in the mid thirties- and this aesthetic value again is something is, is a reaction we have.

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To uh to the building or its architecture uh in this case again, it is a pleasing building that.

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That style of building tends to be something that catches the eye, and especially so in.

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In the street scene of boscom, thank you, sarah can. I have the next slide. If I may.

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Thank you very much, um so looking at structures um somewhat um umbrella term.

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Really for anything that we perhaps reasonably wouldn't call a building. um So here we have.

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A memorial again, which can be found uh all over all over dorset in uh in villages and.

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And companies and all sorts of areas where um colleagues were commemorated.

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So here we have the 43rd wessex division memorial in uh wynyard's gap, which is um just north of.

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Bemister so in this case, obviously, the communal value is probably something that we'd immediately.

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Look for um with these sorts of things uh as being a sort of focal point for commemoration.

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And memorial services associated with the loss of life in both world wars and that connection.

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With the with the world, wars is what gives it its associative, um its associative value.

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uh As a sort of permanent record um to those who who lost their lives and in this case um digging.

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A little deeper one can find that the plaque was actually designed by a very, uh very well known.

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Foundry in london who had a particular connection with um fine arts, um so all these things have.

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Associative um associative value. uh Obviously the illustrative value is that uh it illustrates.

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The impact of of the two world wars on local communities, um obviously the the memorial still.

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Functions as a memorial, um usually, although not always listing the names of those that were lost.

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The the architectural value is something you may not immediately consider as being related.

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To a monument, um but actually that's not always the case because they tend to follow.

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um If you look at sort of even more memorials, they tend to follow wider trends in architecture.

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So this one, for example, has a very typical sort of mid 20th century.

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Form um which the sort of the sort of style you can find on buildings of the 19, late, 1940s and.

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50S very simple and simple forms that sort of typical of that post post-war period and again.

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It can also just come in the quality of the of the architecture. The quality of the design.

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And that's the same really for um the aesthetic value uh where here it was the uh the skill.

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Of the uh skill of the sculptor and the skill of the engraver, who created the.

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The plaques which sit on the monument so they're, the sorts of things which give the.

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Which give the structure its aesthetic value? um Thank you. Sarah next slide. If I may.

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um Moving over to um sites and places um even more wide-ranging term, um perhaps one that.

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If you overthink, it starts to sound, very difficult to define, but nonetheless I think we've got a good.

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Example, here in in dorchester's water meadows, which again for those of you who know that part.

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Of the county sort of extending the great ark around the north and east sides of dorchester and.

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You can't help but notice them as you. uh You drive along the uh dual carriageway, um so so these.

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Again, surprisingly, perhaps you might think for something which isn't a building, but.

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Have a great deal of architectural value because they're actually planned structures which meter.

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Which have a very distinctive design to meet a purpose and, along with that, they have a whole.

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Host of associated structures, which still survive um in great numbers across the meadows, such as.

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Bridges, um sluices, um sort of hatches and walls um sort of culverts. All these all these things, which.

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Come together to make a sort of architectural whole, you know a designed um a designed.

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Functioning piece of landscape, which is again not something you you would immediately think.

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In terms of the the associative um value um again, the the meadows form part of uh hardy's wessex.

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um And the many uh the many stories which reference caster bridge and its hinterland.

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And the durnover more uh the sort of area of water meadows and.

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Cornfields, and so this part of the county is very much- has that literary association with hardy.

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So uh so that's the sort of uh association which here we can we can find.

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And the way they illustrate um the way the water meadows have illustrative value is really.

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um The fact that they still very much- although that I don't I'm pretty sure none of them are.

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Actually functioning, although you can still see how they functioned again through some of those.

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Structures that I mentioned, um and they also on a wider scale, illustrate the particular fertility.

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Of that part of uh that part of dorset for um for pasture and for hay and the intensification.

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um That was typical in the post-medieval period of uh advances in technology, which.

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Allowed people to make more of these, these lands- I mean they were probably meadows in.

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The medieval period, but we can see here how it was, how it how it's been intensified.

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So that's where we would find some the the illustrative value of these particular structures.

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Archaeological value again, these survive as as earthworks, and you can see them very.

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Clearly and the earthworks are what essentially um constitute the visible archaeology, but there's.

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Also, the potential for buried artifacts relating to the meadows, whether that should be things that.

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People dropped as they work the meadows or even earlier examples of the meadows and how they.

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Were constructed and there's also meadows also have a good possibility for paleo environmental.

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Archaeology as well, which can be found by boring and things through them, which can tell us a lot.

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About how land land and land use changed over time, aesthetic value, that's something! That's.

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Really arisen fortuitously again through the sort of scenic um beauty of the landscape, as you pass.

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Through it, particularly in contrast, dorchester and the setting that it forms to that town.

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The the communal value, um the the meadows are used um very very extensively by um by by local people.

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And visitors to the area is crisscrossed by a number of footpaths, um some of which were sort of.

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Historic lanes um connecting various settlements along that uh that side of the river um and.

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Again, that that that's something that's arisen, fortuitously um and something which helps us.

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Understand the sort of the character of uh and the setting of dorchester um sarah next slide. Please.

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And the uh the final, uh the final case study is for gardens and designed landscapes.

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And we've uh we've highlighted here park stone cemetery. um Now the.

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Again, the architectural value of a cemetery of this kind is actually in in sort of.

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Two particular areas I mean one is in the design of the cemetery itself.

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um Obviously it's it's a plan, sort of detached um cemetery and it exists in two very clear parts and.

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You can see that if you look at, uh if you look at the plan of the cemetery, you can see the earlier.

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Part to the east and then the later part to the west, with its very very clear sort of radial.

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uh Large radial design, so again it's that element of planning and structure which gives it some.

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Architectural value and then within the cemetery itself, there's the individual architecture of.

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The uh of the various memorials and tombs, which again illustrate very very different styles over.

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The time of the use of the cemetery, the uh and again like we saw with the uh with the meadows the.

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Cemetery has a has several associated structures, um such as the the um the lodge on pottery road on.

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The east side, which is a particularly fine arts and crafts um style again, quite typical of that.

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Sort of um that sort of late 19th century sort of reaction against sort of mechanization and heavy.

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Industrialization of materials, um and then you can see that again on the west side, uh I think it was.

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Extended in the late 20s, um where there's another little pavilion, which is very, very modest but all.

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These things come together to sort of give some architectural value to the cemetery as a whole.

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The the illustrative value of the of the cemetery can be found in uh in the way that it illustrates.

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The sort of funerary practices of the time um and again on a wider scale, um looking at the the.

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Development of these sort of victorian cemeteries, which which sort of appeared after the um the.

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Burial acts of the 1850s um right across uh right across britain. So when you start to see these.

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And in this case, it was built really in the middle of nowhere. Originally, although it's.

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Surrounded by housing now it was very much a very a very rural and detached place when it.

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Was first built and again that's something that's common to to those sort of victorian cemeteries.

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The um the associative um the associative value could be found again in in, for example,.

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The connection of the war graves there's about 52 war graves. um You might also for a cemetery.

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Of this kind, you might look for associations of burial places of um illustrious locals.

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That that might be another area where you might find some association, particularly if.

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It's associated with a particularly fine memorial or tomb. The uh aesthetic value um again is related.

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To the way, the sort of uh the sort of dignified and park like landscape- that's sort of set out.

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Again, very deliberately um in the cemetery and this sort of sense of tranquility that comes with.

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It and that tranquility has only been enhanced by the uh by the build built up area around it.

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And you really notice that sort of juxtaposition as you enter it, so that really affects how we.

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That affects how we experience the the sort of cemetery as an asset and the the communal.

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Value again is very similar to what we saw with the memorial. Obviously, it's somewhere like this.

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Where we have a focal point for commemoration and memory and loss and remembrance, that's what gives.

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um Cemeteries, a particularly um a particularly noteworthy amount of communal value, um so I mean.

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I hope that's, I realized that was rather a canter, but um again these these case studies are all on.

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The website, so please do have a look through and see the uh the sort of full entries that the land.

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Youth consultants have put together for each of these and several more and hopefully that will.

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Just help with sort of understanding how we, the kind of things that we look at with those values.

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And actually how how wide-ranging they are, and that's one of the advantages of local listing is.

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You know rather than statutory designation, where you know you have special architectural.

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And historic interest, you know with this local level of heritage, you can actually have a much.

C

Broader canvas and draw in a lot more a lot more of uh a lot more local interest. A lot.

C

More local history, so I hope that's been useful and I shall now hand over, I believe, to caroline.

B

I think it's me thanks alison. Thank you james. No, I think that's been. I hope you found that useful.

B

And a really good way of looking at what what information we're.

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Ideally, looking at attracting from those of you submitting nominations, I just wanted to say here.

B

It is quite difficult for us because obviously, we've sent out the invitations quite far and wide.

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And while we're talking to you, we're not entirely sure who our audience is.

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We're assuming it's a mixture of interested local people from town and parish, councils.

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Some councillors some interest in amenity groups and we're very aware that the level of.

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The level of knowledge is going to be quite varied across the different groups, so james.

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Has given some really good background into what we are looking for, but please do bear in mind. Fiona's.

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Video which showed that you can still submit a nomination with a relatively limited amount of.

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Information and then it will be, you know if you think it's important, that you you're not quite.

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Sure how you me, how you match those categories and the different values please submit it anyway, and.

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And we can then get it assessed, so I'm just gonna take you through where we're going with next steps.

B

So obviously, what we're doing now is.

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um Asking you for community nominations, for both within bcp and within dorset.

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Information is the same on both our websites. So if you live in, bcp use the bcp website.

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If you're in dorset use the dorset website, if you're an organization such as historic gardens,.

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Forum which covers a wider area, then feel free to to put it into either and when lucia. Looking.

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At them, then they can put put them in both lists, so we're asking for community nominations.

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Either from individuals or groups, and certainly from dorset, we've already got a.

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Number of nominations um in blocks for particular um communities, so we've already had, for instance,.

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Swannage, sterminster marshall and portland have all actually done some work in there within their.

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Communities to develop their own local lists, which we will be, including in our overall assessments,.

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We're also going to be looking at um local assets that are already on things like neighborhood plans,.

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And conservation area appraisals. So, if you're aware of things that are already in those.

B

Documents that have gone through a public consultation we will be for using those in our.

B

In developing our lists, so once we get to the end of our consultation period on the 11th of april.

B

The next step will be that working with land use consultants. They will actually then undertake an.

B

Assessment of each of the nominations against the criteria that james has just been talking through.

B

Once they've done that, they will then compile.

B

A draft list for dorset and a draft list for bcp we're then going to both.

B

Have a public consultation on those draft lists so that people can comment on the draft lists.

B

That will give an opportunity for people to make their comments if they think there's things that.

B

Should be on there that aren't on there things that are on there, that shouldn't be on there.

B

And the fact that it um it goes through a public consultation process means there's a bit there's a.

B

Rigor about it when, when we finally adopt it so once we've undertaken that public consultation.

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The list will be updated and we will take them to our respective councils, so it will go to.

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Bcp council and dorset councils for consideration and adoption and then the lists will be published.

B

I'm fairly sure that one of the questions we're going to get is what is the time scale for all of.

B

This and I'm afraid, I'm going to be deliberately vague and one of the main reasons for that.

B

Is at the moment we have no idea how many community nominations we're going to get in.

B

We may have a handful, we may have hundreds if we're really lucky. We may have thousands.

B

And obviously, depending on the numbers we get that will influence how long it takes.

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To actually go through those and undertake all those assessments, but um you saw fiona on the.

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Video earlier she's, one of our comms people she and suzanne will make sure that we are.

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Providing frequent or relevant updates to let people know how we're getting on with that process.

B

Once we've got that list that isn't going to be the absolute end, because we want it to be.

B

A living and developing list- and that's one of the things we will be looking at over the next couple.

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Of months, I'm suspecting that we're going to be looking at maybe having an annual opportunity.

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To update a list, I don't think it's going to be realistic to do it much more frequently than that.

B

But probably every one to two years: we'd look at doing a review and then that means that if you've.

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Missed something that you find later on in the day, you still will have an opportunity to contribute.

B

And put in other nominations, so I've just mentioned the timetable depends on the workloads.

B

Generated so what we're hoping from all of you is that you're going to come up with lots of.

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Nominations so that we're all kept really busy and we have really good lists that are very.

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Representative of the local communities across the whole of dorset, so I think that's probably.

B

Enough of us talking, I'm going to hand you back to sarah who is going to manage the questions.

E

Hi, thank you alison. So, although we've got hands up already, I was just going to say: um there's lots of.

E

Ways you can pop your questions in today. If you want to put your hand up on with using the teams.

E

That will hand at the top of your screen you're. More than welcome to pop your questions in the.

E

Chat or just flick your camera on and wave at me, and I will try and get all your questions answered.

E

So, graham perry and you're- probably first do you want to go with your question.

F

Well, I'm not sure what was then well, I would say, an excellent presentation. I had six questions.

F

Written down, I'm the only one that I don't I had asked on email. I tried to use the nomination. I.

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Actually put a nomination on for um online, um it worked fine, but I did make an email query.

F

I could only add one photo. It suggests that you cannot submit photographs, but when I tried to use.

F

The online form it wouldn't, let me have more than one photo do we do you know about that. I.

E

Don't I don't know if the project team can answer that one? If not, I will certainly look.

E

Into that for you, because I'm sure you can should be able to add more than the one photo.

F

Otherwise I'd say yeah. It was very, very straightforward to use fake, very good, very simple.

E

Lovely thank you. Allison did you want to come in there? I was just going to add.

B

Carolina and I will work with sarah to look into that- we have trialled it ourselves, but.

B

I have to admit we only uploaded one photo when we were doing the doing the practice, so I haven't.

B

Tried to do more, but um thank you for that, and we will look into that because you should be able to.

B

Upload more than one photo yeah, we were hope we were hoping and looking for people to do that.

A

As part of the submission, so yeah we'll definitely check that. Thank you for raising it.

F

Thanks, thank you. I think the next question is from caroline. Can I just pop your camera on and say, hi.

G

Yes, here I am hi there, I'm sorry, I've got a few questions for you. I've made a list and you have.

G

Answered notes and this you've gone along. Thank you. um I'm from the broadstone neighbourhood forum.

G

And we're responsible for the broadstone neighbourhood plan. Additionally, to that.

G

We've just finished a project to install four to five interpretation boards across broadstone.

G

Which actually demonstrate our heritage assets, so the timing of this is very good for us uh as well.

G

But we we identify 39 assets now, all of those aren't of merit to be I'm sure, make the list.

G

But certainly a third of them are um so. My first question is: does that sort of thing.

G

Can we do that on block because it doesn't make sense to do 12 individual things um to you when.

G

We've already done that working, albeit in a different format, on our interpretation boards.

E

That's a really good question. I don't know the answer. uh Alison. Caroline, do you know if we can.

E

Do that, how do you want to pick that one up? Do you want to pick that up caroline yeah, I I.

A

I have to say, could you just repeat the last bit of the question please um we have, we know through.

G

Our own work that we've got at least 12 um out of 39 and counting assets that, I would say, are worthy.

G

Or weighty enough to actually be submitted for consideration, so obviously we don't want to do 12.

G

Individual applications, uh what we'd like to do is use some of our existing text and material.

G

To submit these on blocked to you and say we think this this and this I see what you mean. um Yes, I.

A

Think I I think that's um going to be appropriate because I think I've got a feeling. That's.

A

Something similar to what allison was referring to with some of her community um yeah. I think I think.

A

If you've got it in some kind of spreadsheet format or something yeah, it would be easy to.

A

Sort of foreign you see to sort of pick up that would be helpful and if there's any way, you're.

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Able to kind of connect it to any of the sort of values and criteria that we were talking about.

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If there's any way to do that, that would also be helpful, but I appreciate that is might be on.

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Picking things a bit too much for for yourself, so I think it's a do what you can um but appreciate.

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If you're feeling it's a bit too much to do individually, then then please do submit it and.

A

There's a there's, an email address which is on the screen now which uh which you might want to use.

A

Okay, yeah just so just to add to that um that's kind of what we've been doing with.

B

Some of those other ones I did refer to, um I was letting caroline go first, because.

B

Obviously you're within bcp, but with the ones that swannage and sterminster have produced.

B

They've already done a lot of work on theirs and one of the things we're going to look at.

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At our next meeting with luc is how we can assess those if they're not quite done using our criteria.

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Because, as caroline says, if you've already spent quite a lot of time on it, we don't want you to be.

B

Having to do a lot more so if you've got them in in that kind of format, please submit them.

B

um If you want um to submit them directly, the two emails for the both the councils, the bcp one and.

B

The dorset one are there, so you could submit something to them and then we can make sure.

B

That luc get them as part of the submissions. Okay, uh thank you. The next question I have.

G

Is a more specific one? It's about cemeteries, um one of the things we have in broadstone. um We have.

G

A mixed asset within one cemetery, so, although broadstone cemetery is fairly unremarkably.

G

Unremarkable architecturally, it nevertheless has um the alfred russell wallace memorial.

G

Which, I would argue, is of national importance uh there and we also have commonwealth war.

G

Graves and um sbs squadron war grace now some of those are in local importance, so.

G

They may be mixed classes, but within the same area. So when we get a naughty problem like that, do we.

G

Nominate the whole cemetery, or do we nominate them as separate assets, even though they're co-located.

C

Should I answer that going yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I'm speaking really for.

C

Bcp's area, but but certainly I think um you know, I think I would just choose one or the other really.

C

I wouldn't worry too much about the category, it's more to get it's more to flag out that.

C

The assets are there and and try and you know, identify them as being significant.

C

And I certainly think, like you say about the alfred russell wallace monument, you know obviously.

C

You know, that's a I'd agree with you. That's a sort of nationally significant.

C

Monument because of because of its association, I'm surprised it's not listed. Actually, it's.

C

An individual I just checked, I've just checked actually, and it's not I've just.

G

Looked on your map and, amazingly, it's not um and that's part of the problem.

G

Okay, the other question. I've got sorry, I'm too uh hogging time a slightly more contentious thing.

G

Do I think we will get asked this as the forum, because we do the neighborhood plan as well.

G

And we may get challenges on things like planning application decisions. So what are the implications.

G

It's all right, it's all nice and fine us having our lovely list- and you know I'm up for that. But.

G

We may get developers or we get may get residents feel that they can't do things they want to do.

G

Because somebody somewhere has decided, you know this is on the list somewhere. um So I just want.

G

To sort of understand um any adverse implications for anybody else, really a sign from the.

G

Good thing about having the list you know, is there a downside to this, where it's going to impact.

G

Somebody who might want to sort of build next to um something you know yeah. I think um that that's.

A

Kind of good to note actually, because there are sort of two sides to this really. Obviously, because.

A

um A lot of people will be nominating properties or places that they don't own. It's not theirs.

A

They're saying well I like that, because I'm in the community- and I appreciate that.

A

But at the end of the day, somebody else owns that property or has a responsibility for it.

A

So there is, there is a a balance there to understand how that impacts on the person.

A

Who's got responsibility for the property if it is a property or structure, um and I think that.

A

um There's a there's, a there's, a balance there and actually the planning system um without any extra.

A

Intervention beyond the list that we're creating here would actually still allow people to actually.

A

Make alterations and changes um as a as a starting point. um There are there's another there's another.

A

Stage that could be considered where um the council, either councils, could consider some.

A

Further restrictions on any properties that are on its local list, but that is another process and.

A

A different category and you have to get engaged with the person who owns the property as part of.

A

That process- and it is a it's a legal process, um so the list creation part doesn't actually change.

A

The rights of the property owner in terms of making changes, however, what it does do is provide.

A

um Clarification up front as alison said earlier in terms of assessment against planning policy.

A

And the way that planning application is assessed so once it gets to the point that it's a planning.

A

Application is required, planning policy is applied and then then we would consider the fact that.

A

Actually, this is, this is um an asset on the local list and therefore has material need.

A

To be considered as a material consideration, I hope that makes sense yeah. I think it does.

G

I just didn't want um you know our residents think we were sort of somebody. Who's just come along.

G

Got a finger in the air. Well, I like this, as you say, and that's the danger um we could be seen as.

G

Meddling rather than um and causing residents problems as well, but it doesn't. That means.

A

Yeah, it doesn't immediately change anything for them. That's that's the key thing.

A

But just the planning planning policy does become more significant. It's probably the.

A

Only thing that makes a difference for them, but um but it doesn't stop them, making alterations.

A

Okay, thank you thanks. Caroline, I think next peter coe, you've got your hand up for a question.

E

Thank you. Thank you very much, um I'm in lime, regis. um I have I'm on the I'm. The heritage.

H

Lead on the lyme regis society and I have three um questions. One is because I chair.

H

A diocesan advisory committee and my committee in the last two years has never discussed this.

H

Issue so I wasn't sure and it's not in dorset, so I wasn't sure whether you've involved the dac.

H

That relates to the aspects of dorset, but um it's quite likely that dhcs themselves.

H

Would want to be part of this because quite a few of their areas are not listed, not scheduled, etc.

H

And they're not sure they'll know about it. That's one question. The next question is: if somebody.

H

Discloses something that I'm so sorry.

H

If somebody discloses something which is a building which, as you've just said, belongs.

H

To somebody either as a work area or as a home at present under the listings process, most listings.

H

um Only tell you what's outside, they tell you the external part. They never tell you.

H

Necessarily, what's inside, unless that was part of the original listing process,.

H

So again, it's an issue as to whether you'd need permission.

H

From the person owning the building about the detail, they might give you.

H

And the the third one is my local issue, which is quite different, um and that is that in lime, regis.

H

The lynch wave that relates to the mill and structures the river limb going through the.

H

Town and the burger plot walls, which are still all extant, none of that is scheduled.

H

Or listed and is a major issue for local people, when one puts in a suggestion for local listing.

H

Would you simply on the map draw the whole of that central area of line.

H

And then you could complete all the criteria and the values you've talked about.

H

But I it would be a tall order, as caroline's just said, to have to submit each of those.

H

Wall lines, because really it is the whole of the middle of lime, regis.

C

Can I all of the medieval walls are still there.

H

um Yeah, they all relate to the lynch way and the way the river runs through the town.

H

You can't date them, but they're, certainly a thousand or so years old.

C

Thank you very much for that I'll, come back on those three points. If I may, I think it was a very.

C

Good point about the dacs um and I think, certainly if um you know, if you're able to uh perhaps.

C

Order some contact details to one of our contact addresses that we've got on on the screen. Now we.

C

Can certainly make sure that they're included? um Yes, obviously, whilst you know many church.

C

Buildings themselves are sort of you know exempt and all this and they sort of have their own. They.

C

Have their own systems, it's the other buildings and structures around which, which may be certainly.

C

Of of interest so yeah, thank you very much for that. um The second point: uh yes, there is.

C

Obviously, uh yeah even with listing you know a lot of the times, the inspectors never went into the.

C

Building, um even though they probably had a better chance of doing so so yes, there isn't really a way.

C

Of necessarily, unless that person, you know, you know, wants to allow one in to sort of inspect and.

C

Those are sort of things that wouldn't really come to light unless a planning application came up.

C

Which required a visit from you know, someone like me who would go and look inside and see.

C

How it all tied together, but obviously I mean I I should have mentioned earlier- the interiors are.

C

Obviously, very important to the architectural value, because you know the outside can be very.

C

You know it could be very different, you know, so you may have a very well preserved interior, even.

C

If the outside's been changed so um yeah, so that's a good point and the third point on the walls.

C

Again, I'm not sure if you can draw multiple polygons on the map, um but if not, I would say.

C

Just draw a square around the whole lot and explain, and then we can tickle with it from.

C

The technical end once it comes in um but yeah I'm familiar with the walls you mentioned, because I've.

C

I've pointed out similar ones in chalmers. Actually, when I was working with the neighborhood plan, um I.

C

Said you know these are really really important. They should be flagged up. As you know, locally.

C

Important structures because they still have those those bookish plot boundaries, so um yeah, so that.

C

That's what I'd say on that? Thank you can I can I just thanks james. I can, I just add a fairly minor.

B

Point but when you were saying about um internal features um which you'd. Obviously, if you wanted to.

B

Get any information you'd need permission of the person who was going in there. We have got some.

B

Information about photography on the website- and please do have a bit of a look at it, because when.

B

You're submitting photos do try and make sure that you're not submitting anything. That's going to be.

B

In contravention of anything gdpr wise general data protection regulations, so they they include.

B

Things like making sure that you don't have car number plates and things that are identifiable as.

B

As particular to particular individuals, so it's just a minor point, really sorry, sarah! You can ask.

B

The next question you're very welcome thanks alison next question, I think, is it saf cole.

E

I'm not sure if I've pronounced that right do you want to come in with your question, yeah.

I

Yeah, sorry, yeah. Sorry, it's okay! Well, right! We've got videos wrong! Sorry! My name's colin marsh.

I

From certain points, I think you've probably answered this question in.

I

Relation to the question from broadstone, but I'll just clarify it for absolute certainty.

I

Because the original communication sort of indicated, you were not interested in information.

I

From conservation areas or where there were made neighborhood plans, um some points does have a main.

I

Neighborhood plan in 2020 and is largely in the conservation area, although it wasn't a.

I

Policy within our plan for reasons I'll not go into, we did have an aspiration to actually.

I

Do exactly what is happening now to try to find a way with the local authority of getting a local.

I

Local assets onto it onto a local list, um we as part of that process had produced by a consultant.

I

A professional reporter, I think, there's about 20 plus buildings on that list, with lots of detailed.

I

Photographs and everything, so I presume again you would accept that as just sending the link to all.

I

The uh the relevant document to the um planning conservation at dawson council emailed the drafts.

I

Is that correct yeah? I think I think that's going to be the most sensible way to deal with these.

C

You know the existing lists that have been put together by neighborhood plans.

C

And we have a similar thing with some of the conservation area: appraisals that you know.

C

That we have that identify locally important um buildings and other things so yeah we are, that is.

C

Something that we are going to try and incorporate and bring them straight in lock, stock and barrel.

C

um So yeah I mean we'll probably um have to map them in some way onto our system, but we don't.

C

Necessarily have to have it all typed out, I don't think you know in in the same format,.

C

um So hopefully, that'll be helpful because there's obviously a lot of information there. That will.

I

Help you anyway in the in the process. In that case, you know it's got a lot of detailed history and.

I

Explanation against the sort of criteria which you will obviously want to verify, but yeah, okay.

I

That's the question. Thank you. I was going to say this is a bit like we're your accountants.

A

Because um you can submit lots and lots of receipts to your accountant.

A

In whatever format and your accountant has to make sense of whatever you send in and.

A

That's that's our job to do that with the information that the community send us.

A

We will, we will shake it down, have a look at it, work with luc and work our way through it, but yeah.

A

Accountants always want things as they want them, as we've asked for you to fill in our forms.

A

But if you, if you want to just send in your receipts, then send in your receipts.

E

I have visions of loads of receipts completely now, caroline. I think the last question is handset.

E

Yeah joe, do you want to ask your question.

E

J

Just got a few things: I'd like clarified,.

J

Does it have to be complicated again.

E

Did you catch that one caroline? Yes, I did joe um um if it's already on the list, does it have to be.

A

Updated again, I think what I think our priority is for for new things to look at new things.

A

But the whole point of the project from the bcp side, where we have existing lists.

A

As alice mentioned at the moment, they're- actually quite quite old and they're actually lists that.

A

Have been done differently by the different preceding councils, so we are trying to bring.

A

Them together so um into one so ideally, what we're doing is actually sort of assessing the.

A

Ones that were on the preceded council's list so that we're assessing them to get a consistent list.

A

For bcp, as well as look at adding new ones to that, so the answer, your question is yes, we are.

A

As part of this process, yes, we are.

J

um Is the condition of the building relevant.

A

Is the condition of the building relevant.

A

That's a that's a good question. James, have you got any thoughts on that? One.

C

An interesting one, I'd probably say not tremendously, and because obviously ruins can be.

C

uh Of tremendous archaeological and architectural value in themselves, so even if even if the.

C

Building was sort of ruined if there was still some association or um or you know, vestigial sort.

C

Of architectural interest that it had, you know, I still think it would be something that would.

C

Be worth worth looking at so I wouldn't I wouldn't say: condition should put one off from nominating.

J

Is it possible to nominate a building in a different area to the one you live in.

B

Yes, I mean as long as it's within um dorset, so as long as it's within.

B

Either dorset, council or bcp, we can't accept nominations for hampshire, but if it's, if you.

B

Live in bcp and you want to nominate something in dorset or vice versa. That's absolutely fine.

E

Love it joe. Thank you joe. I think that's everything from the.

E

Hands I've got another hand there. Let me just go back and check.

E

Verity, would you like to come up with your question I'll lose my voice now.

E

Hi verity thanks. Can you hear me? Okay, sorry, yeah. We can um thanks ever so much for every.

K

All the work that's gone into putting this together. It's really really helpful.

K

I'm sort of probably asking a question on behalf of several colleagues who are here.

K

From southbourne in bournemouth southbourne heritage forum, um I really liked caroline's.

K

Analogy about us sort of sending in receipts to an accountant. I think one of the things uh we're sort.

K

Of trying to grapple with is perhaps a worry that what we submit online might not be of.

K

Good enough quality, the the sort of information when it goes to the consultants and there's.

K

This sort of fear that things may not get through the assessment criteria.

K

If we haven't managed to provide all the information we could do and part of the.

K

Fear of that is that obviously, most of us are not necessarily local historians, although there are.

K

A couple here that we could perhaps draw on, um but it was more just if somebody could sort of.

K

Give us some guidance about um how things will be assessed, because presumably the consultants.

K

Can only work with the type of information that they're actually given at the point of nomination.

K

Or? Are things going to sort of flag up and then, as part of the consultant's remit, to do say.

K

Extra work or research before they kind of include or exclude, did that make any sense.

A

Yes, it did, um I I guess it's the the so one one of the things that could happen is that the.

A

Consultants might look at a nomination and go oh there's something here and they might they might.

A

Go back to whoever sent it in to say: have you got anything? Have you got anything more on this or or.

A

Maybe an additional photograph or two or something like that. So there's not there's a potential for.

A

Additional information to be asked for um to to help with that assessment um in terms of um the.

A

The how deep the consultants will go on creating and generating their own, um their own research.

A

That's a that is a good question. We might have to just have a bit further conversation with the luc.

A

About um what they feel able to to do on that front, because we're just conscious of potential.

A

Workload for them and actually being able to get through this process, so we can create a list if.

A

You see what I mean, um because um there might be that goes on to a you know: a possible pile and and.

A

These are needs a bit further work kind of to come back to or something um so yeah. I think it's.

A

It would be useful to kind of uh come back to you. I think, and discuss that a bit further with with.

A

The consultants actually okay, okay yeah, I just had as well yeah there is- um I mean you- may have.

C

Seen it already verity, but there's um on the both websites have got sections on. You know some basic.

C

Info on researching buildings and heritage assets and the particular ones, I would say.

C

Very good at the um historic england series of introductions to heritage assets and there's about.

C

40 of them I mean they're, quite brief, so they they just give you. You basically match one with.

C

Similar to whatever it is you're looking at and then it gives you a really good overview of that.

C

Particular heritage asset, so so whatever you have, you can slot. You know quite nicely against what it.

C

Says in there, and it will give you some sort of context from which to work, but other than that.

C

It's pretty much, I think, is what caroline would say. Don't worry too much, I would say I think so.

K

Sorry, jim, no, no yeah, I'm done so. I think some of the key ones we've got some of the sort of older.

K

More iconic sort of southbound buildings, they're they're slightly easier for us to.

K

Have collated some information and I think, where we're looking at the sort of bournemouth list.

K

There are some, like you were saying some some buildings that are perhaps relevant.

K

To bournemouth, you know like the first housing built post first world war here in south bourne.

K

And their links to another um key builders in bournemouth. But even though we've done sort of.

K

What I'd call layman's research? You know looking into echo that kind of thing.

K

um It's um people like colleagues erwin liddell that actually probably have a bit more data and.

K

We don't quite have the resources to go in, but are aware of buildings built in say that.

K

The 20s here that are either collectively or sing, singularly, um probably quite you know, given this.

K

Is a bournemouth list as well quite relevant, so I think that's where I'm sort of thinking.

K

Not not just more iconic buildings, but some things that kind of come to our fore as, uh as we've been.

K

Operating, I think the main thing, as james said, is to put as much information as you've got.

B

And if from your local community, there are particular things that you are interested.

B

Or valuable to you, as a local community, put those into whichever seems to be the most.

B

Relevant section, just you know we're not expecting more than probably a a paragraph.

B

Or two probably at most in any of the sections very hardly any of them are going to have all six.

B

Of the different um assets filled in values filled in and probably some most of them are going to.

B

Have one or two of them filled in so I I think the ones that james went through were examples that.

B

Had lots of different values within a particular asset type, but I don't think we'd be expecting.

B

That much information on most of the ones we get. We might get a few that have got that level of.

B

Information and as caroline says, I think, then what we'll have to do is we'll have to discuss with the.

B

Consultants and a lot of it will depend on how much we get so if we just have a handful that.

B

Needs to be looked at in more detail. It may be that we can get the consultants to do that if we.

B

Get a lot that would need to be looked at then we, we probably wouldn't have the resources to do that.

B

So obviously, the more information that you provide, the easier it is for them to come to a view.

B

Yeah, okay, thank you just to add, I think I mistakenly have told at either individual or.

A

Community group that there is uh online purposes to fill in is, I think I said three thousand words.

A

For each category, it's not it's three thousand characters, just uh just to be clear. So um it's not.

A

um As it's more as allison describes as it's kind of a paragraph or two um potentially rather than.

A

An essay for each each of those different values and characters um criteria: okay, thanks again,.

K

Everyone thanks. Thank you, there's a couple more um questions in the chat that I'll just.

E

Pick up penny's asking if you can check to see if an asset has already been nominated.

E

I could answer that one james, it's actually in the video penny. It's on the website. It's not.

E

Within the form, but you can go online and check to see if an asset has already been nominated.

E

um I think there was sarah, we weren't sure whether what she meant so what you can do on our website.

B

Through the website is you can check whether it's already got something to say whether it's listed.

B

But james and I were on the chat, we're not sure that you can tell. I don't think you can tell if.

B

Someone's already nominated nominated something for the local list, not within this process, not.

E

Within this process, so you won't be able to tell if somebody has already nominated your favorite.

B

Local building, but you will be able to tell if it's already got a national um designation and.

B

Therefore, doesn't need to be included on a local list. I don't know if that helps lovely thanks.

E

um And there's another one from caroline. um Given the comments about the amount of work for some.

E

Areas, do you think the 11th of april foreclosure date is too ambitious? I think we may need a little.

E

Longer to create a robust block submission and if some assets don't meet all six criteria, then.

E

How will you weight the value of those which is strong, but only in a few of the criteria.

E

So I want to pick those ones up. I can answer the second one. um The second one relates to some.

A

Information again it is, it is on the website, um which section is it under? It is under standards.

A

For inclusion on the list um under that section on the website, it talks about how we would do.

A

That sort of scoring assessment that I talked about about whether it was of interest that was.

A

Outstanding high, moderate or little and there's actually different scenarios that would be applied.

A

And that so it doesn't have to meet all six criteria because, as we were saying.

A

Some of some of these assets will only meet two three four, but there's there's different three.

A

Different scenarios which we're suggesting um that will mean that it it would get added.

A

And it's probably to be honest: it's a bit convoluted to try and go through here on this call.

A

But I'm happy to have a separate chat, um but it is on the website setting out what that scenario.

A

Is and there's a table giving some examples of how something would get applied or wouldn't get.

A

Applied so I hope that starts to answer that, but probably best to take it offline for more detail.

A

Thank you, I think. With regard to the time scales, I think we've given we have given eight weeks.

B

It is a bit of a balance with when we're supposed to actually have this work.

B

Done from a governmental point of view and.

B

Making sure that we give people enough time, we felt that eight weeks was a reasonable chunk of.

B

Time, particularly as we have done some promotion previously about the project- and I know certainly.

B

In dorset, we've had queries from one or two people saying when is it going to be available for you.

B

Know when can we submit so I think we certainly know of some people. Who've already been working.

B

On these, if you're really struggling, I think what I'd say is submit as much as you can and you know.

B

By all means, send an email or or contact one of us and and have a have a discussion with us.

B

um Because I don't, I don't think we're going to be formally extending that deadline.

B

But, depending on how you know what how how much we get submitted, we we may be able to have a little.

B

Bit of flexibility, but we've got to draw a line somewhere and I think the other side of it is that.

B

It won't be the absolute end of the process. As we said earlier, we will be providing opportunities.

B

um On a regular basis to update our lists, so in a sense the lists are never completed, they will.

B

They are always evolving um so but, as I say, do do send us an email and one of us will get back.

B

To you and discuss that with you, if you're really having problems and you're only you know, but I'd.

B

Hope that you'd be able to get a reasonable way through the the list that you're wanting to create.

E

Thanks alison, I think that's all the questions in the chat.

E

um If I've missed something shout now, joe you've still got your hand up. You have another question.

E

Are you there jay.

E

Thank you, I think that's it for the questions, then folks, shall I hand back to you guys team.

E

Alison caroline yeah just like to say thank you very much. Everybody.

B

For coming tonight, and thank you for all your questions, I think it's really great to have.

B

A good diversity and variety of questions covering a whole number of subjects that.

B

Is within this project, I think that shows that you're all really interested, and I think that.

B

We're all really excited and look forward to receiving your nominations if you've got.

B

Any issues please do email, one of those email addresses james and I james or I would get back.

B

To you, if you're in dorset and caroline, if you're in bcp and if you've got any more.