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From YouTube: Beacon Council Workshop 9-26-22
Description
The City of Beacon Council Workshop from Monday, September 26, 2022
A
Evening
everyone,
so
this
is
a
workshop.
We
don't
have
to
do
a
pledge
or
anything
else,
we're
already
not
following
our
agenda.
There's
an
item
on
the
table.
That's
not
in
the
agenda.
It
involves
food
but
we're
okay.
If
we.
A
D
A
You
you
stay
away,
you
lose
right,
what's
the
equivalent
of
stay
away
and
it
rhymes
with
lose
whatever
it's
new
yeah.
So
we've
got
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven
that's
roll
call.
Chris
is
here
Nick's
online.
Anyone
else
online.
A
Jeff
planner,
okay,
okay,
we've
got
a
Baker's
half
dozen
of
items
and
the
first
one
is
on
open
space
planning
and
are
you
going
to
introduce
Ingrid
or
am
I.
F
F
F
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
kind
of
where
the
city
is
at
in
this
process
and
some
of
the
work
we've
supported
and
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
what
open
space
inventories
and
plans
are
and
what
their
benefits
are.
But
first
as
quickly
the
Estuary
program
is
a
special
non-regulatory
program
at
the
dec
established
to
help
people
enjoy
protect
and
Revitalize
the
Hudson
River
in
its
Valley
and
we're
working
throughout
the
10
counties
along
the
river
to
ensure
these
key
benefits
and
within
the
Estuary
program.
F
I'm
part
of
a
small
conservation
and
land
use
team
that
works
with
municipalities
and
other
partners
to
conserve
important
habitat
in
natural
areas
in
our
Watershed,
through
local
land
use,
planning
and
decision
making
and
you've
probably
met.
My
colleague
Laura
heaty
in
the
past
who's
worked
closely
with
the
beacon
in
CAC
over
the
years
and
we've
had
some
changes
on
our
team
she's
still
with
us,
but
I'm
now
in
charge
of
providing
technical
assistance
and
Outreach
in
this
area.
F
So
a
natural
resources
inventory
is
really
the
starting
point
for
that
process,
and
we've
been
working
with
many
municipalities
to
develop
inventories
over
the
last
several
years,
including
Beacon,
and
then
an
NRI
is
basically
a
compilation
of
information
about
the
naturally
occurring
resources
in
the
community.
The
geology
and
soils,
different
water
resources,
important
wildlife,
habitats,
land
use,
information
about
climate
conditions
and
projections
and,
in
some
cases,
also
information
about
cultural
resources
like
historic
sites,
Recreation
assets,
Scenic,
Vistas
and
things
of
that
sort.
F
So
we
started
working
with
the
beacon
CAC
in
2017
to
develop
an
NRI.
They
were
awarded
this
assistance
through
a
competitive
process.
We
partnered
with
Cooperative
Cornell
Cooperative
Extension
to
provide
the
mapping,
support
and
I
think
it
was
Brian
defeo
leading
the
CAC
who
really
helped
pull
together
the
components
of
the
report
and
steered
the
project.
F
The
goals
of
the
project
were
to
provide
an
education
tool
for
landowners
and
developers
and
to
cultivate
environmental
stewardship
of
resources
in
the
city
to
provide
a
unified
reference
for
planning,
designing
and
reviewing
new
development
and
a
foundation
for
future
land
use
policy
and
planning,
and
so
the
NRI
was
completed
in
2020.
It
consists
of
21
maps
and
an
accompanying
report
that
discusses
all
the
different
resources
shown
in
the
maps.
F
Why
they're
relevant
and
important
and
considerations
for
decision
making,
and
it
integrates
all
this
information
from
different
city
plans
and
state
and
County
sources
into
one
really
easy
to
access
reference.
So
we
encourage
you
to
check
that
out.
If
you
haven't
looked
at
it
yet
so
the
NRI
as
I
said,
is
really
the
starting
point
in
this
planning
process
and
the
CAC
is
interested
in
taking
next
steps.
F
We
now
you
know
much
more
information
about
the
city's
natural
resources
and
cultural
resources,
and
the
question
is
kind
of
what
well,
what
are
you
going
to
do
about
it,
and
so
an
open
space
inventory
I'm
going
to
just
explain
some
of
the
different
terms
here.
There's
it's
a
little
confusing,
sometimes
open
space
inventories
are
essentially
kind
of
an
NRI
that
takes
the
next
step
and
prioritizes
resources,
and
they
are.
F
They
come
from
a
description
in
general
Municipal
law
that
describes
how
a
conservation
Council
can
be
designated
a
conservation
board
if
a
CAC
undertakes
this
inventory
process
with
the
community
to
establish
local
priorities,
and
that
document
is
accepted
and
approved
by
the
legislative
body.
The
CAC
can
be
redesignated
as
a
conservation
board,
which
then
plays
a
more
a
formal
role
in
reviewing
development
projects,
along
with
the
planning
board.
It's
still
advisory,
but
they're
referred
projects
for
comment
in
that
process.
F
F
So
these
things
can
be
done
in
sequence.
They
can
all
be
wrapped
into
a
single
project
or
document.
There's
different
approaches
to
this
process.
The
city
has
that
basic
starting
point,
though,
so
you
could
move
on
next
to
an
open
space,
inventory
or
kind
of
roll
that
into
one
open
space
planning
process
and
do
them
both
together,
taking
a
step
back
I've,
been
saying
open
space
a
lot.
F
What
am
I
referring
to
the
Department
of
State
has
a
planning
guide
about
open
space
planning
and
it
defines
it
as
land
that
is
not
intensively
developed
for
residential
commercial,
industrial
or
institutional
use,
and
so
it
it
can
include
all
of
these
different
types
of
resources.
It's
not
just
you
know
open
land
like
Farmland.
It
could
be
Forest
land,
Parks
vacant
Lots.
You
know
Community
Gardens
Trails.
It
refers
to
a
wide
variety
of
of
types
of
areas,
and
this
can
be
fit
to
an
urban
context
or
a
rural
context.
F
The
conservation
committee
was
redesignated
as
a
conservation
board
and
MJ
is
actually
a
member
of
that
board.
So
she
could
tell
you
about
it,
sometimes
an
open
space
plan.
The
next
step
goes
beyond
just
priorities
to
outlining
the
justification
and
strategy
for
conserving
land,
and
it
typically
includes
that
inventory
and
Analysis
of
resources,
but
also
a
you
know,
a
large
public
input
process.
F
There
might
be
public
workshops,
Community
surveys,
focus
groups,
interviews
really
trying
to
solicit
input
from
the
community
about
their
priorities,
for
conservation
and
and
issues,
perhaps,
and
that's
used
to
help
develop
a
vision
for
open
space
in
the
community
and
mapping
of
the
priorities
and
then
also
to
outline
different
conservation
strategies
which
typically
include
land
use
policy
strategies.
So
there
might
be
regulatory
approaches
to
protecting
open
space
through
your
zoning
or
other
land
use.
Regulations.
F
Acquisition
or
you
know,
either
through
purchase
of
properties
or
conservation.
Easements
is
another
possible
strategy
and
then
there's
often
also
voluntary
approaches
working
with
landowners
to
encourage
stewardship,
connecting
them
with
various
programs
that
can
support
that
working
with
Community
groups
on
projects
and
and
other
things.
So
those
plan
will
typically
then
outline
recommendations
for
action
and
help
provide
a
road
map
for
how
to
move
forward
to
achieve
the
city's
goals,
and
this
is
an
example
of
a
priority
open
space
map
from
the
town
of
Pleasant
Valley
here
in
Dutchess
County,
so
just
outlined
quickly.
F
A
few
examples
of
urban
open
space
plans.
The
city
of
Saratoga
Springs,
is
one
of
the
smaller
cities
in
New.
York
state
that
has
a
long
history
of
open
space
planning.
They
finished
their
first
plan
in
94..
They
updated
it
in
2002
and
at
the
same
time,
voters
approved
a
5
million
dollar
bonds
for
open
space.
They
have
since
implemented
many
of
the
projects.
In
that
plan
they
have
spent
I
think
nearly
all
of
that
Bond
money
and
they're
seeking
to
update
that
plan
and
renew
some
funding
mechanism.
F
So
they
completed
an
NRI
in
2020
and
now
they're
in
the
midst
of
finishing
an
open
space,
Plan
update
again,
and
so
that
that's
been
that's
one
example.
The
city
of
Kingston
undertook
an
NRI
and
then
went
right
into
an
open
space
planning
process.
They
completed
this
plan
in
2019.
They
took
all
the
data
from
their
NRI.
They
looked
at
this.
You
know
how
resources
overlapped
in
the
city.
They
waited
certain
features
based
on
public
input
from
workshops
they
held
and
developed.
F
This
open
space
Vision,
which
has
very
ambitious
targets
for
creating
new
trails,
preserving
acreage
within
some
of
these
different
priority
areas
in
the
city.
They
identified
a
park
desert
in
their
city
that
they
want
to
try
to
establish
a
new
park
in.
So
these
are
all
goals
within
the
next
10
years
that
they're
hoping
to
achieve.
They
identified
funding
sources
and
mechanisms
they
could
use
for
these
projects,
one
of
those
being
to
establish
potentially
a
community
preservation
fund,
which
is
an
alternative
to
bond
funding,
and
that
is
it's
a
real
estate
transfer
for
tax.
F
F
And,
lastly,
the
city
of
Rensselaer
has
just
gotten
started
on
an
open
space
planning
project
with
funding
from
our
program,
and
they
are
hoping
to
engage
residents
on
current
and
future.
The
current
and
future
state
of
natural
spaces
and
public
parks
they've
they're,
combining
this
as
both
open
space
and
Recreation
planning,
and
they
also
want
to
consider
ways
to
bring
their
developed
areas.
F
F
Due
to
the
pandemic,
we
were
able
to
support
the
them
to
partner
with
Cooperative
Extension
again
to
undertake
this
survey,
which
had
a
written
online
component,
and
then
there
was
this
interactive
map
also
where
people
could
flag
certain
areas
that
were
of
particular
interest
and
say
why
and
so
Sean
Carroll
presented
this
last
year
to
the
city.
It's
on
the
website.
The
presentation-
and
this
is
a
great
start
at
soliciting
public
input
on
conservation
priorities,
and
you
know
I
think
to
develop
the
plan.
You
would
want
to
do
more
of
this
hold.
F
You
know
additional
use,
additional
methods
to
try
to
reach
out
broadly
in
the
community,
and
this
was
just
a
you
know-
one
result
of
when
people
were
asked
about
their
number
one
priority
for
green
and
open
space
protection.
It
was
conservation
of
natural
areas
followed
by
walking
and
bike
trails
and
paths
and
updating
and
maintaining
existing
Open
Spaces.
F
There
are
grant
funding
sources,
especially
our
Estuary
grant
program
that
will
fund
open
space,
inventory
and
planning
projects,
and
we
are
hoping
there'll
be
another
RFA
announced
sometime
next
spring
in
the
past.
The
grants
have
been
for
up
to
fifty
thousand
dollars,
but
it
may
be
more
the
next
time
around
and
we
have
the
benefit
of
a
pretty
low
match.
It's
only
for
15
match
and
we
always
encourage
communities
to
look
for
other
opportunities
for
Partnerships
and
assistance,
as
well
I'm
available
to
provide
some
support
too.
G
That
last
slide
answered
my
big
question,
and
that
was
to
pick
your
brain
about
funding,
because
you
know
I
think
that
Beacon
is
a
unique
place
in
that
we
offer
the
sort
of
great
balance
between
affordable
housing,
that's
available
and
also
preserving
the
natural
environment,
so
I'm
great,
to
see
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you
already
included
those
I
did
watch
your
presentation
that
you
gave
to
the
planning
board.
So
it's
good
to
have
a
reminder
about
all
of
these.
G
H
G
D
H
D
Slope
so
that
was
not
calculated
as
a
developable
area.
I'd
have
to
go
through
and
see
whatever
can
we
make
changes
to
the
you
know
the
youth
use
the
dimensional
requirements
in
various
zoning
districts.
I
know
John,
Clarkson
I,
don't
know
if
John
has
any
other
recollection
of
anything
specific
that
might
answer
your
question.
G
J
He
made
various
changes
to
districts,
so
the
the
primary
one
for
protecting
Green
Space
is
is
what
Nick
already
referred
to
that
we
deducted
from
they
allowable
area
for
a
lot
tours
deep
slopes,
Wetlands
floodplains
or
floodways
and
and
underwater
parcels
Porsches
of
horses.
So
that's
the
primary
one.
So
we
did
change
certain
zoning.
You
know
the
Fishkill
Creek
development
District
was
updated
somewhere
around
2017.
J
so
that
that
was
what
there
was
Trail
protections
and
other
things
in
that
in
that
District.
So
those
are
the
primary
ones.
I
can
pick
up
on
the
top
of
my
head.
G
Just
one
more
question:
I
thought:
I
remembered
in
the
planning
board
presentation.
There
was
something
about
natural
resources
inventory
being
added
to
the
secret
I'm,
not
sure.
If
I'm.
F
H
J
Anytime
they
choose
to
as
long
as
it's
a
visual
adopted
policy
of
the
city,
but
there's
no
mandatory
screening
or
requirement
at
this
point
in
the
law.
C
A
Yeah
I
I,
look
at
this
and
I
say
well.
How
do
I
fit
this
in
and
my
impression
would
be.
We
would
stick
this
in
our
comprehensive
plan
as
one
of
the
component
parts
right
because
I'm
looking,
we
have
a
section
on
environmental
features,
we
have
section
of
historic
resources
and
that
seems
to
be
natural,
fit
so
yeah.
That
would
be
interesting.
The
other
thing,
too,
is
who
will
so
you
saying
we
can
get
grants
for
some
of
this
right.
A
Because
what
I
note
is
that
the
conservation
advisory
committee
blessed
their
souls,
took
on
doing
the
NRI,
the
natural
resources
in
inventory
and
including
the
writing,
and
to
reach
the
conclusion
that
that
was
asking
way
too
much
and
I
ended
up
doing
a
lot
of
editing
personally
to
kind
of
get
it
there.
But
it
was
like
the
next
step.
We
do.
We
really
need
some
professional
resource
in
there,
because
we
can't
ask
our
volunteers
to
do
as
much
as
as
they
did.
A
K
Yeah
I
was
also
thinking
along
the
lines
of
how
this
fits
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
because
it
is
asking
you
know,
we
do
want
people
to
get
engaged
in
this
and
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
engaging.
The
full
process
and
I
was
wondering
with
Saratoga,
Springs
and
Kingston.
If
you
had
any
knowledge
of
how
they
incorporated
into
other
city-wide
planning
efforts
that
they
undertook.
F
C
A
Yeah
because
it's
the
easiest
way
to
kind
of
go
about
it,
I'll
read
you
the
two
environmental
goals,
which
are
the
high
level
goals
sitting
in
the
plan
and
then
underneath
it.
There
are
some
recommendations
or
objectives,
but
the
high
level
goals
is
preserve.
Environmentally
significant
features
create
an
open
space
system,
a
sufficient
size
to
reserve
adequate
areas
for
the
protection
of
water,
related
resources,
Wildlife
landforms,
a
particular
environmental
value.
The
rare
assets
of
the
city,
such
as
the
Hudson
and
Fishkill
Creek,
should
be
protected,
as
should
the
highlands
and
the
slopes
of
Mount
Beacon.
A
That's
the
one
and
the
other
one
is
encourage.
High
environmental
standards
for
development
and
infrastructure,
develop
resources
of
renewable
energy
and
improve
the
environmental
performance
of
city-owned
property,
which
a
number
of
things
that
we're
doing
and
there's
objectives
underneath,
but
I
could
see
this
very
readily
kind
of
fitting
into
that
and
kind
of
providing
more
specific
detail
there
right.
F
C
F
F
Technically
I
think
it's
supposed
to
be
one
that
falls
within
one
of
these
priority.
Open
space
areas
that's
been
identified,
but
the
city
can
determine
a
threshold
for
which
projects
get
referred
to
the
conservation
board.
Then
they
are
given
a
time
frame.
I
think
45
days
to
turn
around
and
provide
comments
back
to
the
planning
board.
Regarding
you
know,
potential
impacts
to
the
environment
questions
they
have
things
of
that
nature.
So
they'll
provide
a
memo
back
to
the
planning
board.
Sometimes
they
participate
in
site
visits
as
well.
A
Yeah
and
I'll
just
make
one
other
comment:
there's
a
the
other
statutory
area
where
another
board
might
get
involved
on
a
permissive
basis
or
a
recommended
recommendation
basis
is
on
historical
assets
and
there's
a
someone
in
our
community
has
been
telling
us
for
a
long
time
that
we
need
to
do
a
historic
review
board
or
whatever
it's
called
under
State
Statute.
So
that's
sort
of
the
other
version
of
this.
F
A
A
F
B
A
And
just
so
folks
know
in
my
research
on
sales
tax,
Saratoga
Springs
is
by
far
the
wealthiest
Community
around
so.
C
A
Wondering
they
do
incredibly
well,
oh,
my
goodness,
and
they
do
impose
their
own
sales
tax
and
they
win
when
they
do
it,
because
Saratoga
Springs
is
so
well
off
relative
to
the
county
and
has
so
much
of
the
value
of
property
that
it
gives
them
tremendous
flexibility
anyway,.
A
H
A
So
our
next
item-
MJ
you're
here
right.
So
we
have
someone
from
the
Hudson
Highlands
Fury
Trail
MJ
Martin
welcome
nice
to
see
you
again.
We
had
talked
about
having
you
come
to
council
and
and
kind
of
talk
about
what
you're
up
to
Amy
yeah
Amy.
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
let
me
just
turn
it
over
to
you
and
you're
going
to
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
fjartrell
I.
L
Am
so
again,
my
name
is
MJ
Martin
I'm,
the
director
of
development
and
Community
engagement
at
Hudson,
Highlands,
Fjord,
Trail
I
am
accompanied
by
Amy
casala,
who
is
the
executive
director
at
hhft
and
we're
going
to
do
a
little
tag
team
to
keep
it
switch.
It
up,
make
it
interesting
and
I'll
kind
of
zip
through.
We
have
a
lot
of
slides
I'm
going
to
zip
through
them
rather
quickly.
L
If
you
want
me
to
go
back
or
you
want
Amy
to
go
back
at
any
point,
we're
happy
to
do
that,
but
I'm
I'm
cognizant
of
your
limited
time,
so
I
don't
want
to
linger
too
far
on
anything
all
right.
So
I
think
everyone
here
has
either
seen
a
presentation
about
this
project
over
the
last
15
years
that
it's
been
contemplated
or
has
heard
about
it.
L
But
if
you
haven't
a
need
was
was
identified
several
years
ago
about
9d
the
safety
of
both
motorists
and
pedestrians,
who
were
kind
of
in
Conflict
at
that
Breakneck
area
in
particular,
and
just
overcrowding
in
the
parks
in
key
areas
like
Breakneck
Ridge,
so
creating
some
sort
of
a
visitor
management
solution.
For
that
brought
a
lot
of
people
together.
L
L
Committee
Coalition
of
Partners
alongside
Cena
cutson,
has
been
there
right
along
through
the
whole
process,
phillipstown
Greenway,
and
then
we
have
several
State
partners
that
have
become
integral
to
this
project,
along
with
other
non-profit
Partners,
whose
mission
aligns
with
viewer
Trail,
and
we
have
several
project
goals
that
were
designated
by
this
group
that
we
hope
to
meet
with
the
with
the
project
and
the
plan
that
we've
created.
So
we
want
to
create
first
and
foremost,
safe
and
convenient
access
to
State,
Park
land
and
those
resources.
L
We
want
to
increase
accessibility
through
public
transportation
and
a
shuttle
system.
We
want
to
protect
habitat
and
reduce
erosion,
which
is
one
of
the
problems
of
over
visitation,
and
then
we
want
to
spread
visitation
along
the
Hudson
Highland
Riverfront
Corridor.
Instead
of
having
it
jam
up
in
in
just
a
few
spots,
we
want
to
benefit
our
local
economies
by
having
visitors
come
and
also
shop
and
dine
in
in
Beacon
and
in
Cold
Spring,
and
we,
but
there's
a
balance
to
that.
L
So,
finally,
we
want
to
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
feedback.
Sorry,
we
want
to
serve
as
a
welcoming
and
Unique
Restoration
Recreation
destination,
where
visitors
of
all
ages
and
abilities
feel
welcome
and
included.
L
L
L
The
the
trail
is
also
being
designed
as
what
we're
calling
a
trail
for
all.
The
main
trail
is
designed
as
Ada
accessible
so
that
folks,
whatever
whatever
their
abilities,
are
whatever
their
age
is
they'll,
be
able
to
enjoy
this
Trail
and
experience.
You
know
this,
this
beautiful
landscape,
so
these
are
just
kind
of
some
elements
of
the
trail,
and
these
are
the
we
we've
broken
it
into
four
distinct
land,
State
landscape
zones,
starting
North
in
Beacon,
there's
the
marsh
Zone
and
obviously
that
encompasses
Dennings,
Point
Long.
L
It
starts
in
Long
dock
Park
encompasses
Dennings,
Point,
obviously,
some
beautiful
locations
for
wildlife.
L
You
know
viewing
at
Fishkill
Creek,
then
they'll
be
the
Forest
Trail,
which
is
more
The
Duchess
Junction
area
as
you
move
South,
and
that
will
go
through
a
forest
landscape
to
Duchess
Manor,
which
will
be
our
new
home
and
a
visitor
center
for
Fjord
Trail
and
then
past
Duchess
Manor
to
Breakneck
Ridge
oop
just
skipped
over
that,
and
then
the
highlands
area
is
essentially
the
Breakneck
connector
and
Bridge,
and
that
kind
of
Trailhead
Plaza
that
will
be
created
to
accommodate,
visitation
and
and
provide
much
needed
amenities
there,
like
restrooms
The
River's
Edge,
is
a
two
mile,
Shoreline
Promenade
that
basically
goes
from
Breakneck
Ridge
to
little
Stony
Point
and
then
from
Little
Stony
Point
to
Dockside
Park
in
the
village
of
Cold
Spring.
L
What
so?
Some
of
the
elements
of
the
trail
are
Trail
Banks.
Those
are
places
where
people
can
stop
regroup.
You
know
meet
up
with
friends.
Take
a
rest.
Those
will
be
kind
of
peppered
throughout
the
trail.
We've
got.
Immersive
meanders
are
areas
where
you
can
depart
that
main
trail
like
little
Stony
Point,
where
there'll
be
a
series
of
other
trails
and
experiences
for
people
like
Breakneck
Ridge.
If
you
want
to
have
that
more
rugged
experience
and
then
we've
got
some
signature
destinations
planned
along
the
way
the
lower
image
is
of
the
lower
Overlook
at
Breakneck.
L
So
even
if
you
can't
do
the
scramble
at
Breakneck,
you
can
still
enjoy
those
great
views.
There's
a
area
where
kayaks
can
pull
up
and
people
can
put
their
toes
in
the
water
if
they
want
to
a
little
farther
in
the
in
the
background
of
that
image.
But
you
can
you
can
get
your
selfie
if
you
really
want
to
and
you
don't
have
to
climb
up
the
whole
Mountain.
L
The
one
at
the
top
is
actually
in
the
forest
section
of
the
of
the
trail
and
it's
planned
to
be
a
forest
canopy
walk.
So
it
will
be
an
elevated
trail
and
there'll
be
these
kind
of
hammocky
areas
where
people
can
kind
of
just
kind
of
relax
in
the
tree.
Canopy
and
experience
that
and
I'm
going
to
pass
this
over
to
Amy,
to
talk
about
fewer
Trail
organization
and
what's
ahead.
M
Okay,
so
Hudson
Highlands
field,
Trail
started
as
a
project
with
this
whole
Coalition
and
a
lot
of
the
heavy
lifting
was
done
by
Scenic
Hudson.
They
have
subsequently
created
an
end.
You
know
we're
a
standalone,
non-profit,
subsidiary,
raising
our
own
money
and
funding
the
capital
project
and
then
ultimately,
we'll
be
operating
and
maintaining
this
as
well.
M
As
MJ
mentioned,
we've
purchased
Duchess
Manor
a
few
years
two
years
ago
now,
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
working
with
an
architect
to
understand,
what's
going
to
happen
with
that
facility
and
how
it
can
best
serve
as
our
staff
home
office
and
also
a
visitor
center
to
welcome
people
and
be
a
sort
of
a
main
Touchstone
point
for
people
to
access
this
linear
Park
in
Beacon.
Most
of
the
park
is
actually
within
existing
Parkland.
So
that's
easy.
M
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
figuring
out
things
in
the
South
where
the
land
ownership
patterns
are
not
as
simple
but
because
we're
starting
in
Long
dock
Park
going
past
Dennings
Point
much
of
it
is
owned
by
Scenic,
Hudson
or
state
parks,
and
so
there's
very
little
land
acquisition
or
complication.
So
it
would
really
be
the
Clara
Sauer
Trail,
which
is
currently
managed
by
the
city.
So
if
we
were
to
improve
that
and
when
we
improve
it,
then
we
start
operating
and
maintaining
it.
M
So
it
would
actually
reduce
the
city's
obligations
for
operations
and
maintenance
in
that
area
and
then
going
we'd
have
to
build
a
new
bridge
over
Fishkill
Creek.
That
would
access
you
know,
create
access
and
across
it's
not
feasible,
to
use
the
tyronda
bridge.
That's
there
just
also
note
that
this
would
create
some
connections
to
other
Trail
projects
that
are
currently
in
planning
with
the
city's
Trails
committee.
M
So
it
does
create
a
connection
up
the
Fishkill
Creek
Greenway,
the
the
beacon
Trail,
that's
going
north,
the
Hudson
trail
that
goes
up
north
and
connects
up
over
the
Newburgh,
Beacon
Bridge
and
just
existing
Trails
on
Dennings
Point
as
well.
M
So
this
has
been
in
the
planning.
We
had
a
2015
master
plan,
we
just
realized
changing
conditions
on
the
ground
and
the
amount
of
visitation
really
needed
a
heavier
management
hand,
which
is
where
we
are
today
and
with
an
updated
plan
that
MJ
just
presented
that
was
drafted
in
2020.,
but
we're
also
developing
some
site
plans
along
the
way
as
we
go.
So
the
master
plan
is
in
environmental
review.
M
A
draft
geis
will
be
released
for
public
comment
in
the
next
couple
of
months
and
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
city,
the
city
and
City
residents
to
review
that
and
submit
any
comments
pending.
That,
though,
we've
already
started
advancing
design
development
for
Breakneck,
connector
and
Bridge.
That's
under
a
separate
environmental
review,
so
it
is
moving
ahead,
a
little
bit
ahead
of
where
everything
else
is.
As
you
see
it's
at
80
design,
and
we
expect
construction
to
begin
on
phase.
M
One
brake
net,
connector
and
Bridge
in
collaboration
with
state
parks
and
then
again
that's
a
piece
right
by
Breakneck
trailhead
start
with
some
improvements
next
spring
and
then
in
Earnest.
Next
late
fall
but
other
pieces
we're
also
designing
so
construction
we've
been
trying
to
implement
some
little
improvements
as
we
go.
One
of
them
was
the
ninham
trail
addition
to
Breakneck.
M
This
was
really
a
response
to
most
of
the
Lost
ninja
hiker
calls
were
originating
by
people
getting
to
the
flags
and
saying
I
can't
go
any
further
and
trying
to
find
their
way
down
and
twisting
an
ankle
on
their
way.
So
this
Trail
was
constructed
to
create
an
off-ramp
and
we're
really
happy
to
see
that
there's
only
been
two
injured
hikers
on
Breakneck
this
year,
since
the
train
station
reopened
and
the
trail
stewards
had
been
taking
count,
so
it's
the
best
ever
so
we
really
think
it's
achieving
the
intended
purpose.
M
Another
Improvement
you
may
have
noticed
if
you've
driven
past
this
area
in
90,
is
that
early
safety
improvements.
There
was
no
fencing
keeping
people
from
the
train
tracks
that
had
some
bad
results.
The
train
station
was
closed
and
we've
collaborated
with
Metro
North
and
state
parks
and
Dot
to
Implement
some
early
safety
improvements,
fencing
that
whole
area
off
which
allowed
the
train
service
to
resume
this
year.
M
So
the
improvements
that
will
move
forward
for
Breakneck
connector
are
shown
in
this
site
plan,
and
this
will
include
new
train
platforms,
a
trail
that
connects
from
the
southbound
return
platform
to
the
new
relocated
Trailhead
at
the
Upper
Overlook
that
I'm
always
worried
about
advancing
we'll
be
having
a
new
steward
station.
New
facilities
and
improved
parking
conditions,
so
bathrooms
would
be
added,
will
be
eight
total
bathrooms.
M
This
is
sort
of
an
entry
plaza
where
Wilkinson
Trails,
ending
the
train
arrivals
are
coming
in
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
scramble
bank
here
to
have
people
deboarding.
The
train
all
at
once
have
a
place
to
disperse
and
head
either
north
or
south
for
the
trail
stewards
we're
relocating
the
trailhead
from
where
its
current
location
just
right
by
the
tunnel.
It's
very
sort
of
aggressive
space
up
the
hill,
a
little
bit
and
stabilizing
all
of
that
area,
which
has
really
impacted
by
erosion
at
the
very
start
of
Breakneck
Ascent.
M
So
this
structure
will
be
constructed
for
the
trail
stewards,
so
they
have
places
to
put
water
bottles
and
Maps
down
and
just
a
little
bit
of
better
facility
than
they're
currently
operating
with
and,
of
course,
a
bridge,
and
this
will
be
constructed
by
state
parks
and
collaboration
with
us.
And
so
this
is
a
bridge
that
essentially
creates
that
connection
from
where
the
trail
is
coming
from
the
water
side
from
the
south
and
crossing
over
the
tracks
to
the
about
where
the
current
Breakneck
Trailhead
is
so.
M
All
done
suits
a
lot
of
construction
happening
in
a
very
narrow
corridor,
and
the
construction
once
begun
should
last
about
two
years
and
then
reopening
and
when
we
reopen
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
have
part
of
Duchess
Manor
available
to
open
and
start
welcoming
guests
and
a
shuttle
service.
That
would
take
people
from
point
to
point
running
basically
from
train
station
to
train
station
Beacon
to
Cold
Spring
and
allowing
that
connection
in
between
different
destination
spots.
M
L
Whoops
I
went
backwards,
so
this
is
all
about
managing
visitation.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
working
on
right
now
is
a
parking
and
shuttle
study.
I
know,
we've
got
I,
believe
Chris
and
Lee
you're,
both
on
on
that
in
that
group
or
involved
in
that
study.
L
Scoping
and
we'll
be
a
part
of
of
the
presentation
process
when
we
get
to
the
place
where
it's
ready
and
the
results
are
in
and
the
analysis
is
in,
but
we're
looking
very
carefully
at
parking
resources
how
we
can
expand
them,
but
not
too
much
right,
because
this
is
all
about
balancing
visitation
and
also
what
that
shuttle
system
might
look
like
and
how
it
might
run.
L
Certainly,
we
want
to
take
advantage
of
the
fact
that
there
are
three
train
stations
along
this
Corridor,
so
those
shuttle
stops
would
be
at
each
of
those
three
train
stations
plus
areas
and
trailheads
along
the
way
like
little
Stony,
Point
Point,
possibly
Mount
Beacon,
the
notch
Trailhead,
where
those
Forest
Nets
would
be,
and
some
others,
obviously
Duchess,
Duchess
matter
as
well-
keep
going
backwards.
There
we
go
also
in
managing
visitation.
L
We
are
going
to
be
increasing
that
parking
inventory
we'll
be
adding
200
spots
at
Duchess,
Manor,
we'll
be
adding
about
200
spots,
probably
up
a
notch
Trailhead,
which
is
where
the
old
Duchess
Junction
playground
was
and
then
obviously
just
taking
advantage
of
some
of
the
other
parking
that
exists
and
rationalizing
parking
at
Breakneck
Ridge.
L
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
going
on
now
is
a
first
responder
working
group,
The
Duchess,
Junction,
Volunteer
Fire
Company
is
a
part
of
that,
along
with
Cold
Spring,
Village,
Volunteer,
Fire
Company
and
some
other
local
fire
companies.
They
are
working
with
us
on
an
emergency
response
plan,
along
with
New
York
state
parks,
we're
trying
to
coordinate
as
best
we
can
responses
and
create
rational
solutions
to
some
of
the
some
of
the
burden
that
has
has
fallen
to
to
volunteer
fire
and
and
rescue
companies.
L
Obviously,
as
as
Amy
mentioned,
ninham
Trail
has
actually
been
a
great
benefit
in
terms
of
reducing
the
number
of
calls
that
our
local
First
Responders
get
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
the
future.
That,
hopefully,
will
also
make
things
easier
for
our
First.
Responders
is
a
staging
area
at
break
for
when
there
are
accidents
or
incidents.
L
Same
thing,
so
this
is
just
show
that
we
have
been
out
and
about
since
the
summer
of
2020
to
present
we've
had
about
two
dozen
meetings
with
stakeholders,
stakeholder
groups
or
public
meetings
about
a
dozen
of
them
have
been
public.
So
we
really
do
want
to
get
the
word
out.
We
want
to
have
conversations
we
want
to
hear
what
local
residents
want
and
need
for
this
project
to
be
a
success,
and
we
will
continue
having
these
meetings
throughout
the
process.
L
These
are
some
of
the
groups
that
we've
created,
so
we've
got
the
first
responder
group,
the
parking
and
shuttle
study
group.
We
had
a
little
Stony
Point
citizens,
a
little
Stony
Point
design,
a
group
that
focused
on
kind
of
the
amenities
there.
We
are
forming
a
sustainability
group
with
folks
who
really
want
to
talk
about
how
we
reduce
emissions
by
getting
people
to
take
the
train
and
using
that
shuttle
system.
We
want
to
talk
to
local
businesses
about
how
we
can
collaborate,
and
we
also
want
to
add
some
existing
working
groups
we
want
to.
L
We
want
to
get
get
some
community
members
who
are
interested
in
in
deij
issues
and
how
we
can
make
this
a
welcoming
and
inclusive
space
for
everyone.
We
want
to
talk
to
Educators
about
how
this
can
be
used
as
an
outdoor
classroom,
we'll
have
facilities
as
Amy
mentioned
in
various
locations,
and
then
we're
going
to
have
additional
webinars
q,
a
sessions,
surveys
and
polls.
So
hopefully,
everyone
will
weigh
in
and
give
us
their
thoughts
ways
to
stay
informed,
attend
a
future
presentation
host
a
presentation
or
a
workshop.
L
If
you're
a
part
of
another
group,
we'd
love
to
to
talk
to
your
group,
there's
a
lot
of
information
on
the
website.
Hhft.Org,
you
can
subscribe
to
our
monthly
e-newsletter
we're
on
social
media
like
everyone
else
or
you
can
reach
out
to
me
directly
at
via
email,
I'm,
happy
to
talk
to
you
and
answer
questions.
L
M
No,
yes,
it
is
in
more
of
a
phase
three
or
four
just
because
we're
started
in
the
Middle
with
Breakneck
and
then
we're
heading
south
and
then
we're
heading
north.
So
it
would
be
in
that
phase
three
time
frame
and
if
I
had
to
guess,
if
you
don't
quote
me
on
it,
I
would
guess
starting
in
probably
2026
2027,
but
I
I,
I
I.
Think
that's
a
good
point
for
discussion,
though,
is
sort
of
what
should
happen
and
the
existing
park
space.
M
And
maybe
there
are
some
improvements
we
might
be
able
to
start
planning
and
making
earlier
for
an
outdoor
classroom
at
sort
of
Madame
Brett
area
where
there's
that
kind
of
Overlook
of
the
causeway
or
some
improvements
in
activation
on
that
Clara
Sauer
Trail.
So
that's
I,
I've,
moved
it
up
and
down
in
the
time
frame.
But
it's
it's
worth
discussion.
I.
K
Think
yeah
and
you
might
be
aware
of
we
have
a
new
owner
of
the
former
Craig
house
property.
That's
currently
developing
that,
and
there
has
been
some
public
discussion
about,
should
we
or
should
we
not
have
Trails
through
there,
which
it
sounds
like
in
the
current
proposal
wouldn't
directly
connect
to
this,
but
might
just
when
we
think
of
our
overall
trail
system
in
Beacon
is
just
good
to
keep
in
mind.
K
L
N
M
Right,
it's
about
we've,
we've
looked
at
it,
there's
private
property
interests.
That
sort
of
you
can't
get
there
from
here
from
when
we're
coming
up
the
route
from
the
south
I'll
write,
kind
of
basically
hugging,
there's
an
old
utility
easement
that
goes
through
there
and
actually
a
rail
bed.
It
was
used
to
be
an
Orville
rail
bed,
so
it's
nice
and
flat.
But
then
you
hit
a
couple
of
homes,
so
there's
sort
of
always
been
a
barrier
to
being
able
to
make
that
connection.
C
I
so
I'm
Dan
I'm
arbler
I
represent
Ward
4,
which
includes
that
area
and
I'd
I'd
love
to
check
in
maybe
in
a
side
conversation
about
the
bridge
plans.
What's
the
estimated
Bridge
timeline
Bridge
your
Bridge
construction
timeline.
C
N
A
Yeah,
the
the
last
map
that
I
saw
you
can
get
within
about
50
yards
of
Tyrone
that
maybe
70
yards
you
just
can't
get
the
last
way
there
right,
yeah,
yeah
and
again
one
of
the
reasons
we
wanted
you
to
come
early
is
we
want
to
be
able
to
share
that,
and
you
know
see
if
we
can
do
some
things,
because
we
have
time
we
have
some
time
yeah.
That
was
the
one
thing.
A
The
other
thing
that
I
I
raised
I
asked
you
to
take
a
look
at
is
a
connection
before
it
gets
to
Beacon
or
right
on
the
border
past
the
duchess,
Junction
firehouse
and
then
up
into
Central
Hudson
property
up
into
the
highlands
right
and
I
hope
when
you
get
there.
You'll
take
a
look
at
that
because
it
looks
like
there's
a
clean
shot,
so
yeah.
A
Yeah
you're
seeking
yeah,
because
I
did
a
walk
and
I
said
how
do
we
connect
this
and
especially
if
we
have
a
couple
properties
near
the
creek
in
the
way
that
struck
me
as
the
cleanest
way
to
kind
of
get
up
to
90
up
into
the
highlands?
And
you
know,
obviously,
if
you're
on
90,
you
can
also
get
to
tie
around
a
bridge
going
down
south
half
and.
M
E
A
And
then
the
other
note,
I
I
had
just
listening
I
first
time
I'm
aware
of
the
the
Emergency
Response
Group,
you
might
get
better
response
on
a
weekend
because
the
junction
has
Volunteers
in
the
weekend
they
kind
of
don't
during
the
week,
but
you
might
want
to
include
beacon
in
that
simply
because
we
tend
to
respond
to
their
calls
right.
It.
M
A
Yes,
you
don't
do
as
many
responses
down
there,
but
but
we've
got
a
couple
of
fire
districts,
one
to
our
South
one
to
our
North-
that
we
basically
do
the
responses
that
they're
just
not
able
to
staff
the
volunteers
anymore.
So
at
some
point,
they're
going
to
have
to
face
that
issue,
we're
covering
for
them,
and
so
we
should
probably
do
a
little
bit
broader
planning
because
that's
going
to
get
nothing
but
worse.
H
A
L
A
K
B
B
B
M
So
the
Lenape
Center
joined
our
steering
committee
in
2019
and
they've
been
an
active
partner.
We
are
coordinating
with
them
or
collaborating
with
them
on
we're
calling
well,
they
called
it
the
portal,
but
it's
sort
of
a
memorial
space,
but
they
don't
want
it.
M
It's
the
the
goal
is
that
it's
living
and
it's
not
thinking
of
The
Presence
as
a
past
situation,
but
that
you're
also
thinking
about
current
and
future,
so
that's
being
designed
by
the
Lenape
Center
and
be
implemented
in
collaboration
with
us
at
the
headquarters,
so
in
the
campus
of
Duchess
Manor.
So
that
is,
we
have
had
one
kickoff
conversation
to
brainstorm
it
and
and
cite
locations
for
that.
So
we
selected
that,
but
I
haven't
seen
any
Design
Concepts
from
them,
yet
so
we're
waiting.
M
But
that's
an
ongoing
we've
talked
brainstormed
other
ways
to
collaborate
in
terms
of
sort
of
maybe
tribe.
Only
scholarships
or
Fellowship
opportunities
come
and
study
science
and
have
some
residency
all
of
that
sort
of
in
this
programmatic
brainstorm,
because
we
do
want
to
when
we're
up
and
running
and
increasingly
scaling
it
as
we're
growing
the
park
that
we're
operating,
that
we're
offering
different
programs.
M
M
And
I'll
say
we:
we've
also
talked
internally
as
we
go
to
program
and
interpretation.
The
people
are
doing
things
and
doing
them
well,
and
we
don't
want
to
have
to
duplicate
things.
So
it's
a
really
good
to
think
about
how
we
might
hold
hands
with
different
historic,
Societies
or
and
kind
of
help
amplify
messages
in
that
way.
So
that's
sort
of
the
work
to
come
and
any
sort
of
ideas
as
we
hit
the
ground
more
Outreach
in
the
beacon
area,
because,
as
you
know,
we've
been
very.
M
A
Yeah
you'll
see
one
other
item
further
down
our
agenda
on
the
rail
trail
and
I
think
we're
what
we've
done
is
we
went
to
the
county
and
said:
let's
start
doing
our
planning
sooner
rather
than
later,
counties
agreed
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
resolutions
to
kind
of
start
up
some
Community
effort
to
for
input
to
that.
Obviously,
that's
incredibly
important
in
terms
of
connecting
to
what
you're
all
doing
and.
A
H
I
A
A
Thank
you
both.
Thank
you
all
right.
We
all
right
keep
going.
Are
we
going
to
pick
up
the
pace?
So
the
next
item
is
the
other
exciting
off-street
parking
adjacent
to
non-residential
districts.
We
had
that
up.
Last
time
we
had
a
question
of
like
what
is
the
county.
Talking
about
all
those
lots
and
John
is
going
to
do
that
or
is
Nick
Nick.
E
Will
kick
it
off
and
we
do
have
the
map
in
your
packet
that
shows
all
of
the
the
commercial
areas,
the
Border
residential
areas
Nick?
Would
you
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
last
week
was
if
a
road
a
street
is
in
between
the
commercial
and
the
residential
that
that's
not
considered
adjoining
based
on
the
map
it
looks
like
most
of
that
is.
Could
you
walk
us
through
that,
in
addition
to
talking
a
little
bit
about
the
law.
D
I
can
yes
and
I'll
revealed
by
John,
as
well
as
part
of
my
head
towards
poisonous
to
take
my
screen.
So
this
one
below
was
the
subject
of
a
public
hearing
last
week.
He
previously
workshopped
and
recommendations
received
from
both
the
city
claim
for
the
County
planning
board
county
claim
board
that
offer
comments
that
we
discussed
over
the
last
public
hearing
and
is
in
your
package
with
respect
to
the
across
the
street.
That
would
not
apply
Chris
because.
H
D
H
J
Can
you
see
that
yes
good?
So
this
is
the
map
that
the
county
did
shows
about
160
Parcels
that
are
adjacent
to
either
industrial
or
commercial
districts
that
have
an
adjoining
property
line
for
at
least
20
feet.
You
can
see
that
a
lot
of
the
purple
R
industrial
Parcels,
there's
a
you,
can
see
my
cursor
I,
hope,
yeah
and
then
there's
some
along.
J
This
is
General.
Business
district
was
a
few
scattered
at
the
edges
of
either
commercial
or
industrial
districts.
I
went
through
Aerials
on
all
of
these
to
see
if
how
many
of
them
are
are
really
sort
of
likely
to
be
in
play
at
any
point
in
the
future.
Obviously,
for
instance,
this
big
part
of
our
state
land
are
not
in
play
at
this
point.
The
large
industrial
Parcels
in
General
don't
need
additional
parking
spaces
and.
J
And
a
lot
of
these,
almost
all
of
the
commercials
stay
along
the
Central
Main
Street
District
are
our
houses
on
them,
they're
small
Lots.
They
wouldn't
be
conducive
the
parking
lots
with
any
great
number
of
cars
and
you
would
have
to
tear
down
a
house
in
order
to
create
a
15
car
parking
120
car
parking
lot.
So
it's
unlikely
to
do
so.
I
did
see
two
areas
where
you
know
in
other
areas
like
this
along
the
idea
and
the
industrial
properties
on.
I
J
There's
a
great
a
slope
change
between
a
lot
of
these
Parcels,
so
they
wouldn't
come
into
play
literally
I
went
and
parts
of
my
parcel
and
checked
out
every
one
of
them,
and
these
are
the
two
that
I
thought
where
they
either
have
been
used
or
might
be
used
in
the
future.
So.
J
Avenue,
it's
a
general
business
district.
You
can
see
the
parcel
the
zoning
district
line,
I
cut
through
the
middle
of
that
block,
so
the
houses
along
need,
Avenue
or
in
the
residential
district,
the
houses,
the
businesses
along
fishing
hour
and
the
commercial
District,
the
general
business
district-
and
there
are
four
or
five
Parcels
along
here
that
are
either
vacant
or
are
currently
being
used
for
commercial
partner.
J
J
Parcel
that
could
be
used
for
commercial
parking
under
this
provision.
They
have
a
lot
of
marketing
in
these
places,
I'm
not
sure
they
will
ever
need
it,
but
that's
an
option.
That's
moving
further
south
there's
a
parcel
here.
All
meat
Avenue,
that's
already
used
for
commercial
parking,
so
presumably
somewhere
before
2020.
When
this,
when
the
law
was
changed,
these
were
approved
as
commercial
Lots
across
the
property
from
our
residential
near
residential
district.
J
These
two
lots
of
the
southern
end
of
meat
Avenue
are
also
used
for
commercial
parking
for
these
auto
dealer.
Here,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
a
great
change
along
the
streets.
Now
it
doesn't
have
good
access
to
me.
It
has
better
access
to
the
52
side
and
then
there's
a
bit
of
General
business
district
at
the
corner
of
Coughlin.
Here,
four
Parsons,
the
three
parcels:
one
has
a
two
family
house
and
he's
both
commercial
uses
and
there's
a
a
large
residential
office
owned
by
this
landowner
in
theory,
could
be
used
for
that.
J
But
again,
that's
coffee
Hill.
So
it's
not
directly
connectable,
probably
between
the
parcels
down
below
and
the
parcel
of
above.
Not
it's
it's
a
possibility.
J
Worth
could
be
in
place,
it
wasn't
that
sparked
this
whole
discussion,
where
we
discovered
the
mistake.
This
is
a
proposal
for
a
new
excuse,
building
on
this
corner
of
bank
and
West
Main
Street
they
own
this
parcel,
which
is
landlocked
in
the
back
there's
over
a
20-foot
connection
between
there,
so
that
they
have
proposed
putting
a
driveway
in
and
putting
I
believe
15
spaces
back
in
here.
That
would
make
their
parking
lot
for
whatever
they
want
to
do
on
the
front.
J
You
can
see
that
the
property
adjacent
encroaches
on
that
already,
where
the
hardware
store
or
the
brewery
is,
there's
an
encroachment
there
and
this.
This
landowners
house
owner
here
also
encroaches
on
the
property.
J
If
you
blow
it
up,
you
can
see
that
that
shed
is
halfway
over
the
property
line,
so
the
owner
for
this
corner
of
development
has
already
made
easement
deals
with
both
the
adjacent
Property
Owners,
so
that
they
would
be
able
to
share
this
property
line
and
have
construction
easements
so
that
they
can
build
a
retaining
wall
here
to
separate
the
house
from
the
from
the
commercial
parking
the
other
place
where
it
could
happen.
J
Is
this
parcel,
which
is
behind
the
brewery
in
the
daycare
center
in
the
hardware,
store
that
it
is
all
on
one
parcel
here?
It's
a
large
parcel
for
the
house
on
the
front.
In
theory,
this
could
be
used
for
commercial
parcel
if
this
was
ever
expanded
or
needed
had
the
time
of
uses
that
needed
more
parking.
There
are
slopes
in
here,
so
it
wouldn't
likely
be
backed
up
against
or
too
close
to
the
houses
on.
F
J
Street
it'd
be
more
likely
to
happen
down
in
here.
So
how
is
it
that
you
know
if
you
want
me
to
go
over
the
map?
I
can
go
first
by
first
ones
or
as
as
much
as
I.
Remember
almost
none
of
these
Parcels
either.
Oh,
are
you
their
vacant
or
large
enough
to
be
likely
to
be
imposed
upon
by
this
parking
regulation?.
K
I
like
to
flip
this
on
its
head,
what
problem
are
we
trying
to
solve
for
at
West
Main
Street?
What's
the
current
process
for
getting
like
I
I
understand
that,
generally
speaking,
not
just
us
most
municipalities
when
in
doubt
it's
r140,
it's
residential
and
so
we're
trying
to
say?
Okay?
That
was
a
blanket
that
was
put
into
effect
many
decades
ago.
We
want
to
be
able
to
have
the
ability
at
some
times
not
to
have
it
be
residential
and
I,
guess
I'm
curious
to
know
for
the
the
owners
of
16,
West,
Main
and
others.
J
Right
in
2019.
J
J
They
went
to
the
building
inspector
and
he
said,
there's
a
provision
in
the
code
that
allows
you
by
special
permit
people
at
the
city
council
to
request
that
they
use
their
conversion
parking
and
he
said
why.
Let's
go
through
the
process
and
once
we
have
our
State
Environmental
Quality
view
process
completed
we'll
go
to
the
special
permit
for
the
council.
That's
happened
and
that's
been
in
my
review
letter
that
you
have
to
do
this
special
permit
for
the
council.
J
Everyone
where
there
was
before
the
planning
board
since
2019
when
building
a
spectrum
had
originally
made
that
recommendation
and
then
they've
got
their
negative
declaration.
They
are
ready
to
go
to
the
council
and
the
state
planning
coordinates.
Are
the
planning
board
attorney
realized.
H
J
So
we
could
the
two
options
where
you
could
either
change
or
do
a
lot
line
and
adjustment
of
the.
H
F
A
Yeah,
my
impression
is
that
this
is
the
appropriate
Direction,
not
just
because
we
were
there
before,
but
also
because
isn't
there
if
we
put
it
back
to
where
it
was,
isn't
there
a
check
in
terms
of
it's
not
by
right,
it's
subject
to
planning
board
approval
right.
K
Es
and
we've
also
I,
so
there's
been
John
actually,
interestingly
enough,
just
last
time
at
the
beginning
of
the
planning
board,
had
this
presentation
about
a
special
permit
and
how
it
involves
extra
conditions,
but
he
was
very
clear
at
that
meeting,
at
least
by
understanding
of
it
that
as
long
as
the
applicant
meets
those
conditions
that
they
get
the
special
permit,
so
a
special
permit
isn't
the
right
of
the
planning
board
to
say
no.
If
the,
if
the
developer
meets
those
conditions
now
I,
don't
we
could
get
into
what
those
extra
conditions
are.
K
We
could
go
down
that
road,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
best
use
of
our
time.
I'll
just
jump
through
I'm
I'm
fine
to
pass
this
myself.
If
we
add
the
word
landlocked-
and
it
might
be
that
we
do
want
to
make
it
broader
for
other
Parcels
but
I
do
have
I
hear
John
saying
there
are
houses
right
now,
but
we're
putting
in
planning
that
will
be
in
effect
until
city
council
changes
it
and
we
don't
know
what
the
future
of
Beacon
is.
K
K
C
E
You
want
it
to
be
landlocked
or
vacant,
because
we
remember,
we
had
discussed,
not
knocking
down
houses
to
be
able
to
do
this
in
the
future
and
one
of
the
things
I
proposed
to
Nick
during
the
week
I
said:
what
did
he
throw
in
the
word
vacant
or
unimproved?
E
E
E
K
K
I
certainly
don't
have
enough
as
much
knowledge
as
the
planning
board
that
that
recommended
this
and
John
to
be
able
to
go
parcel
by
parcel
and
say
what
the
future
will
hold
I'm
more
thinking
of
what
policy
we
set
right
now,
as
as
a
council,
and
particularly
knowing
this
is
a
something
that,
as
John
said,
is
that
this
particular
case
has
been
in
motion
since
2019
and
they're
facing
a
stop
and
I.
Think
we,
as
a
City
generally,
have
have
shown
that
we
would
like
to
develop
this
area.
K
That's
why
we
put
in
the
the
linkage
District
to
begin
with,
so
maybe
like
I'm
looking
at
the
ones
on
on
Conklin
and
thinking.
Oh,
maybe
that
vacant
lot
is
a
pocket
park.
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
those
neighbors
want.
So
I
feel,
like
the
landlocked
at
least,
makes
me
feel
comfortable
to
get
to
move
forward
and
then
maybe
we
continue
to
discuss
down
the
line.
A
A
You
know
from
an
adjacent
real,
whatever
the
only
ones
that
I
just
I
just
see
almost
nothing
affecting
this
I'm
glad
you
know
John
brought
up,
you
know
Mead
and
Conklin,
but
again,
if
you're
doing
a
50
by
100
foot
lot
and
you've
got
a
I.
Don't
know:
300
000
home
that
you're
going
to
tear
down
for
10
20
parking
spaces
I,
don't
think
it
adds
up.
I,
don't
see
how
it's
ever
going
to
happen.
D
J
And
it
would
only
really
applied
for
a
couple
Parcels
in
the
city,
whereas,
if
you
put
in
the
vacant
one,
then
you
preclude
the
destruction
of
a
house
say
for
a
parking
lot,
but
you
know
precluded
on
the
existing
properties
over
on
me.
For
instance,
they're
already
used
for
parking,
presumably
under
this
provision
years
ago
they
would
become
not
conforming
good
and
special
Partners
run
with
the
letter
and
the
other.
J
The
other
thing
I
don't
want
to
get
what
you
say
into
the
details
of
a
special
apartment,
but
there
is,
there
are
five
or
six
six
seven
special,
perfect
conditions,
general
ones
and
and
which
allow
you
for
the
allow
the
planning
board,
in
this
case
to
say
no,
it.
It
negatively-
affects
the
neighboring
blocks
so
that
location,
size
used
in
nature,
hours
and
intensity
of
the
operation.
J
J
J
But
I
I
do
think
that
the
vacant
would
be
a
reasonable
addition,
and
that
way
you
could
put
off
the
table
of
any
destruction
or
of
an
existing
building
for
the
purposes
of
creating
a
parking
lot.
J
A
All
right,
what
do
you
all
want
to
do?
I
said
I'm
I'm,
just
good
at
reinserting
it
I
mean
my
impression.
Is
the
zoning
and
the
and
the
special
use
language
was
set
up?
Someone
considered
it.
We
just
happened
to
pull
it
out,
so
I'm
good,
just
putting
it
back
in
where
it
was,
but
you
all
may
have
different
views.
N
Yeah
I
feel
comfortable
I'm
having
a
special
use
permit,
be
the
kind
of
deciding
factor
and
the
planning
board
could
take
into
consideration
any
special
situations
that
it
might
rise
in.
So
I.
E
D
A
Okay,
we
good
all
right
onward,
Beacon
Hopewell,
Rail.
E
A
E
All
right,
it's
a
native
trails,
so
you're
going
to
have
you
have
in
your
packet
a
resolution
that
is
aimed
at
the
the
County
transportation
Council.
The
mayor
and
I
met
with
the
leadership
of
Duchess
County,
including
the
planning
department,
and
asked
them
to
line
up
a
feasibility
study
and
conceptual
planning
process
for
next
year
through
their
upwp.
That's
the
unified
planning
work
program
and
it's
money
that
they
get
each
year
through
the
federal
government
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
kick
start.
E
The
the
planning
for
the
beacon,
Hopewell
rail
trail
this
this
used
to
be
known
as
The
Beacon
line
it's
13
miles
long.
It
goes
through
Beacon,
town
of
Fishkill
Village
of
Fishkill
and
East
Fishkill.
So
they
asked
us
in
turn
to
do.
Resolutions
from
all
four
municipalities
and
we've
already
talked
to
the
supervisor.
Mayors
from
those
municipalities
and
they'll
be
con.
Actually
Fishkill
is
doing
theirs
tonight
as
well.
So
what
we
hope
to
do
is
compile
these
send
them
on
to
the
county
to
show
strong
support
for
the
project.
E
We
also
were
successful
in
getting
this
listed
as
a
transformative
project
in
The
Duchess.
Moving
forward
plan,
which
is
their
25-year
long-range,
Transportation
plan.
So
again,
this
is
in
an
overnight
project,
but
it
they
they
did
put
that
they
would
try
to
do
a
rail
trail
somewhere
between
20,
25
and
2035,
and
this
gets
the
ball
rolling
next
year.
We
would
form
a
local
committee
that
would
include
the
Fjord
Trail
and
representatives
from
the
four
municipalities
to
support
Dutchess
County,
as
they
do
the
the
development
of
some
initial
plans.
C
The
third,
whereas
statement
on
the
second
page,
looks
like
it.
E
E
E
E
A
The
other
thought
that
we
had
in
our
discussion
is
whether
they
might
do
early
planning
down
at
the
river
side
of
the
trail,
as
opposed
to
the
Hopewell
side.
Don't
know
we'll
have
to
find
out
right,
but
obviously
we'd
be
excited
to
move
sooner
rather
than
later.
Yeah.
E
And
it
it's
a
huge
project.
This
is
a
20
to
30
million
dollar
project
that
would
take
at
least
two
or
three
phases
and
a
phase
may
be
just
getting
over
route
nine
in
the
village
of
Fishkill,
so
we're
hoping
that
they
work
from
east
to
the
west,
to
east.
A
K
Is
there
a
point
that
the
city
would
need
to
contribute
some
portion
of
funding
once
construction
starts
or
some
other
design
element
of
it?
Just
so
we're
kind
of
aware
of
our
own
Capital
planning
and
what
might
come
up
I.
E
E
A
Yeah
and
in
our
discussions
the
hardest
parts-
you
know
this
better
Crossing
route,
nine
right.
E
A
Because
you
know
you
can't
have
a
level,
you
can't
have
a
great
crossing
over
route,
nine
that
would
just
be
nutty,
but
apparently
there's
a
tunnel
under
the
creek
that
it's
existing
I,
don't
know
how
does
it?
How
does
the
train
get
over?
Does
it
go
over
the
creek?
It
goes
over
the.
E
Creek
yeah,
and
so
you
have
some
narrow.
This
is
single
tracked
between
here
and
Fishkill.
So
there's
some
really
narrow
areas
where
you're
probably
going
to
have
to
build
rail
on
both
sides
like
a
safety,
rail,
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
be
difficult
to
get
a
decent,
10
or
12,
foot,
Trail
and
and
I.
Think.
What
we're
thinking
about
here
is
a
shared
use
path.
That's
paved
it's
good
for
biking,
running
walking,
ADA,
Compliant,
so
I,
don't
think!
There's
a
tunnel
we
were.
We
were
joking
about
the
idea
of
making.
E
That
that
was
knocked
out
along
with
the
Catapult
idea
that
I
put
in
so
the.
C
K
I
A
Yeah,
so
if
you,
when
you
pull
out
of
the
station
on
the
train,
there's
a
Spur
that
goes
slightly
toward
the
water
and
then
it
it
leaves
a
fence
enters
the
clearest,
our
Trail
area.
It
has
been
filled
in
that
between
the
rails,
someone
filled
it
in,
don't
know
who
but
makes
it
much
more
walkable,
and
then
it
it
kind
of
goes
over
the
tracks
past
the
the
bridge
over
to
Dennings
point.
So
there's
a
rail
Crossing.
I
A
H
A
A
C
Yeah
I
just
asked
because
I
I'm
excited
by
the
idea
of
having
another
path
for
cyclists
to
go
down
to
the
for
commuters,
who
can
get
down
to
the
station
quickly
without
having
to
interact
with
vehicles.
So.
E
E
There's
a
a
freight
company
that
had
old
trackish
rates
that
challenged
them,
so
the
Housatonic
crate
yeah,
so
they've
held
them
up
at
the
surface
Transportation
board
for
about
a
year,
but
they
we
just
got
a
letter
a
couple
days
ago
saying
that
their
in
settlement
talks
so
I
think
this
railroad
was
trying
to
get
a
little
money
for
their
very
valuable
trackage
rates
that
they
haven't
used
and
many
decades
all.
I
A
A
home
run:
okay,
you
want
to
do
the
secret
finding
for
the
highway
garage,
solar.
E
Project
yeah
sure
in
the
capital
program
that
we
passed,
the
2023-2027
we
put
in
funding.
Thank
you.
We
put
in
funding
for
a
solar
array
to
be
installed
on
the
highway
garage
over
on
Camp
Beacon
road.
E
We
applied
for
funding
through
Jonathan
Jacobson's
office
that
will
go
through
the
dormitory
Authority
and
as
part
of
their
environmental
review.
They
realized
our
building
is
in
the
Matawan
State
Hospital
historic
district.
It's
it's
eligible
to
be
certified
as
a
district,
even
though
it
hasn't
been
designated
as
a
district,
but
we
still
then
normally
putting
solar
panels
on
the
roof
would
be
a
type
2
action
in
which
you
just
say:
there's
no
environmental
impact,
because
it's
in
this
District
it
actually
made
it
an
unlisted
action.
E
This
is
we
estimate
it
could
be
as
many
as
380
solar
panels,
but
we
we're
going
to
leave
flexibility
in
the
sizing,
because
you
know
again,
we
just
want
to
cover
as
much
of
the
roof
as
possible,
and
we
estimate
it
will
take
on
about
4.2
percent
of
the
city's
electricity
load
and
take
that
building
basically
make
it
net
net
zero.
In.
E
E
Total
municipal
election
of
the
government,
not
the
government,
the
just
the
government,
just
the
government,
4.2
of
the
government
yeah.
So
right
now
we
get
about
70
of
our
electricity
from
the
solar
farm
on
Dennings
Point,
and
then
this
would
add
between
four
and
five
percent
additional
and
we're
going
to
keep
looking
for
these
little
incremental
to
try
to
get
closer
and
closer
to
100
percent.
E
E
Everybody
good,
oh
and
Nick,
reminds
me
that
the
state
historic
Parks
have
said
that
there's
no
issue
with
it,
so
we
have
a
letter
from
shippo
saying
they
don't
view
the
project
as
an
issue.
Thank
you.
Nick.
D
Adopting
lawmaking
to
speak
with
25
miles
an
hour
within
the
entirety
of
the
city
or
in
certain
areas
to
find
areas
of
the
City.
Previously
life
England
was
30
miles
an
hour.
You
could
from
specific
streets
only
to
25
miles
an
hour
or
50
mile
an
hour
or
within
about
you,
know:
School
District,
but
law
was
amended
to
allow
25
miles
an
hour
city-wide,
but
with
water,
pepper
traffic
study
undertaking
in
connection
with
the
analysis
as
to
whoever
is
appropriate,
not
to
impose
a
25
mile
an
hour,
speed
limits.
D
D
We
last
spoke
I,
provided
you
a
memo
with
explaining
that
process.
Talking
about
the
steps,
a
traffic
study,
what
I'm
doing
what
they
would
studying
and
some
sense
as
to
that
cost,
and
then
Chris
has
had
further
discussions
with
a
traffic
Consulting
engineer
the
term
as
to
what
those
costs
would
be.
D
And
so
that
was
something
that,
if
you
wanted
to
proceed,
2023
budgets.
E
And
and
then
the
other
question
that
came
up
was
about
the
state
roads,
so
I
spoke
to
New,
York,
State
DOT
and
the
only
road
that
they
have
jurisdiction
over
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
lower
the
speed
limit
on
is
Route
90
Wolcott
from
the
city
border
by
Van,
Ness
down
to
South
Avenue,
and
we
would
have
to
petition
them
to
do
it.
They
weren't
clear
that
they
would
support
that,
but
that's
the
only
roadway,
that's
under
their
jurisdiction.
Everything
further
south
on
Wolcott
is
under
our
jurisdiction.
E
E
It
coincides
with
the
the
portion
of
the
road
for
which
we're
paid
a
small
amount
for
maintenance
by
the
dod.
E
E
They
would
do
your
major
I'm
I'm
when
I
talked
to
him.
He
they
have
some
data
already
I
talked
to
Colliers
engineering,
which
has
done
studies
here,
so
it's
not
like
they
would
lay
out
those
traffic
counting
strips
on
every
little
roadway.
You
look
at
your
major
routes
like
for
a
plank
52,
Wolcott
Maine.
B
B
B
I
had
just
asked
the
question
whatever
last
week
two
weeks
ago,
if
this
traffic
study
would
be
able
to
inform
any
other
speed
limit
changes
that
we
might
hypothetically
want
to
do,
and
it
sounds
like
the
only
other
area
would
be
around
the
schools
and
so
I'm
just
curious
if
there
would
be
overlap
with
that
study.
With
this
with
this,
twenty
thousand
dollar
study
and
hypothetical
changes
around
schools.
E
C
So
just
one
additional
thought
just
piggybacking
on
on
what
Paloma
said
when
I
raised
this
issue
with
the
traffic
and
Safety
Committee
last
year,
I
proposed
25,
Citywide
and
15
adjacent
to
parks
and
playgrounds,
so
that
would
go
beyond
school
zones
and
I
think
we
are
permitted
to
look
at
15
miles
an
hour
on
on
specific
streets.
C
D
H
C
E
D
Have
in
the
existing
city
code
in
section
11-6
15
miles
per
an
hour
on
school
speed
limits
and
there's
a
number
of
different
Matawan
Oak
Street
School
Street
South
Avenue
and
Union
Street
West
Center
Valley
towards
10
different
streets,
211-6
of
your
food.
C
E
E
You've
asked
for
and
and
again
I
I
I'm
neutral
to
what
you
do
as
long
as
we
don't
try
to
do
them
all
in
one
year,
I
know
from
doing
the
rec
study
that
it's
it's
a
lot
of
weight
on
the
department
that
has
to
do
it
so
so
again,
I
think
you're
gonna,
we'll
we
can
put
something
in
the
budget
as
a
placeholder
and
then
you'll
have
to
figure
out
what
else
do
you
want?
I
mean
there.
E
If,
if
the
rec
study
comes
back
and
says
the
community
wants
a
community
center,
there's
there's
a
study
after
that,
like
a
program,
a
space
you've,
we
talked
about
doing
an
open
space
plan
that
would
be
expensive.
We've
talked
about
doing
a
traffic
study,
so
you
know
again
we
can
put
a
planning
item
in
but
I
I.
It's
really
hard
to
do
more
than
one
planning
study
a
year
and
do
it
well.
G
E
E
I
would
wait
and
see
how
your
Rec
study
comes
out
and
just
figure
out.
If
you
know
how
much
a
study
of
of
that
facility
might
be.
E
C
E
Multiple
studies
period
period
yeah
because
it's
like
there's
a
small
staff
here
to
do
this
and
I
mean
I
I,
just
can't
have
more
than
one
going
or
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
have
the
time
to
pay
attention.
I
have,
as
I've
noted,
I
have
over
41
million
dollars
in
capital
projects
going
this
year
and
next
year.
E
I
I
can't
do
two
or
three
studies
on
top
of
that
and
not
drop
balls.
You
know
like
and
and
be
responsive.
You
know
again.
I
get
calls
from
all
of
you
almost
on
a
weekly
basis
about
things
that
you
weren't
done
and,
and
we
generally
try
to
do
them.
A
So
we
can
take
this
up
in
budget
yeah.
Okay,
be
good
on.
You
know,
setting
this
up.
Okay,
all
right!
Yeah!
The
item
you've
all
been
waiting
for
yeah.
It's.
A
For
a
homestead
and
non-homestead,
so
in
English,
so
about
50
communities
in
New,
York
state
have
two
tax
rates,
not
just
the
one.
There's
two
exceptions:
New
York
City
has
four
rates,
I,
think
Nassau
County.
F
A
And
if
you
did,
a
reassessment
went
to
full
value.
You
could
do
that
so
about
45.
Some
communities,
I
I,
knew
I
knew
the
number
at
one
point
But.
It
includes
a
City
Beacon
Fishkill,
the
beacon,
City
School
District
are
three
of
them.
I
think
Wappingers
has
to
do
it
in
order
for
the
school
district
to
do
it
too.
So,
there's
a
few
down
here.
So
we
have
two
rates.
A
A
It
had
unintended
consequences
when
main
streets
went
down
the
tax
rate
kept
going
up
because
they
needed
to
maintain
a
certain
share
of
the
tax
bill
and
it
actually
really
harmed
certain
communities
just
to
give
you
our
numbers.
So
we
set
this
up
in
91.
The
split
at
the
time
was
77
percent
to
the
homes
and
23
to
the
commercial.
Okay,
and
the
objective
of
the
of
the
statute
is
to
kind
of
keep
it
in
that
range
notwithstanding
new
construction,
so
you
have
to
do
adjustments
for
new
construction
right.
A
The
most
recent
one
we've
done
splits
and
remember
it's
not
the
how
much
value
there
is
it's
like
what
portion
of
the
tax
bill.
Are
you
going
to
push
this
way
versus
that
way?
Currently
we
push
72
percent
to
homes
and
28
to
commercial
right,
so
we
actually
push
less
now
than
we
started
30
years
ago,
okay,
but
it
has
to
be
somewhere
in
that
realm
and
there's
an
adjustment
that
has
to
happen
based
on
new
stuff
that
comes
on
that's
residential,
new
stuff
that
comes
on
this
commercial
and
they
it's
a
formula.
A
Nobody
understands,
except
the
assessors
and
what's
going
on
is
our
current
base.
Proportion
is
split,
7228
home
to
non-home
7228,
and
it's
going
to
71.29,
okay,
what
the
heck
does
that
mean
so
by
going
from
72
to
71
percent?
That
means
the
one
percent
of
the
tax
levy
is
going
to
shift
over
to
commercial
because
of
this
okay
and
that's
what
the
adjusted
based
proportions
do.
So,
in
other
words,
if
everything
else
was
equal,
homes
would
get
a
slight
decrease
because
of
this
and
Commercial
will
get
a
slight
increase.
A
A
Them
yeah,
that's
sort
of
it
and
you
know
I
work
for
the
Spitzer
Administration
in
this
area.
Right
I
ran.
A
It
oversees
the
property
tax
and
we
looked
at
all
the
communities
and
we
realized
some
of
them
really
hurt,
because
if
you
push
the
tax
bill
over
the
commercial
side,
hopefully
that's
vibrant,
and
can
you
know
tolerate
it?
But
what
happened
in
a
number
of
communities
was,
they
all
went
downhill
and
then
they
get
an
increase
in
share.
You
know
they
get
the
same
share
for
a
lower
value,
and
so
they
keep
getting
a
higher
tax
rate
which
is
harming
them.
A
So
we
kind
of
made
some
proposals
to
allow
communities
to
choose
to
change
the
percentage
over
time
right.
So
you
know,
would
we
want
to
adjust
it
at
some
point
in
the
future
or
to
do
it
a
little
bit
at
a
time
or
to
exempt
a
main
street
as
opposed
to
an
industrial
district?
So
we
were
trying
to
kind
of
open
up
some
opportunities.
It
didn't
come
about,
but
yeah
we're
kind
of
stuck
with
it.
C
So,
even
though
we
like
added
all
that
we
added
commercial
to
Fishkill,
well,
you
added
commercial
to
Fishkill,
Creek
and
then
I
think
we
added
that
we
increased
the
commercial
requirement
for
for
the
linkage
or
whatever
it's
called
now.
So,
even
if,
even
by
adding
all
of
that
commercial,
our
commercial
has
to
kind
of
sit
around
29
I.
A
Don't
know
exactly
that,
that's
the
part
I
don't
really
understand,
because
it
started
at
70,
seven
residential
and
it's
now
71..
So
it's
come
down
a
little
bit
on
the
residential
side
and
it's
gone
up
a
little
on
the
commercial
side,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how
it
got
there.
To
be
honest,
we
could
ask
our
assessor
and
then
our
assessor
might
not
know
either.
To
be
honest,
if
we
really
really
wanted
to
know
we'd
haul
in
a
guy
named
John
wallam
who.
F
A
The
southern
region
for
the
agency
and.
H
A
B
I
have
maybe
a
totally
separate
question,
and
you
can
tell
me
to
ask
this
question
later,
but
how
does
the
city
Define
new
construction.
A
So
yeah,
what
you
do
is
you
take
a
parcel
because
Parcels
tend
not
to
change
right
if
they
parcel
subdivides,
that's
different,
but
take
a
parcel
say
it's
empty.
It
has
an
assessment.
Then
you
build
a
house
on
it.
Look
at
the
Delta
of
oh
yeah.
Empty
lot
was
worth
50
Grand.
Now
it's
being
assessed
at
350
Grand,
the
extra
300
is
new
construction
right,
and
so
what
has
to
happen
each
year
to
calculate
new
construction,
which
is
useful
not
for
the
well.
A
It
is
useful
for
this
too,
because
you
have
to
look
at
new
construction
in
both
the
residential
and
the
commercial
side,
and
then
you
have
to
make
adjustments.
That's
why
this
is
coming
in,
but
you
also
use
it
to
calculate
the
tax
cap,
but
that's
how
it's
done
right
so
for
Edgewater,
for
instance,
right
right
now,
it's
still
empty
land,
but
once
it
gets
fully
constructed,
they'll
look
at
the
Delta
and
that
will
be
considered
new
construction
as.
A
Guess
yeah
actually
assessment
it'll
come.
A
B
Are
there
significant
Renovations
on
some
threshold
that
would
be
considered
new
construction.
A
Purposes:
yeah
there
are
remember,
there's,
there's
building
permits
or
anything,
that's
significant
right,
so
the
building
permit
kind
of
kicks
off
whether
the
assessor
wants
to
do
something
right.
If
it's
like
you
know,
you
pull
a
building
permit
to
remove
an
oil
tank
because
you're
going
to
gas
that
doesn't
do
anything,
but
if
you,
you
know,
build
a
thousand
square
foot
addition,
that's
going
to
be
probably
new
construction
on
an
existing
home
right,
but
yeah.
A
That's
how
to
think
about
it,
and
each
year
like
in
this
budget,
I
already
I
think
I
already
know
the
number
our
tax
levy
is
going
to
be
up
by
about
three
percent
due
to
new
construction.
So
we've
had
this
benefit
of
the
new
units
coming
online
and
giving
us
kind
of
on
the
order
of
two
to
three
percent
new
tax
base
every
year,
without
increasing
anyone
else's
taxes
right.
C
E
Think
it
was
20
we
added
between
25
and
26
million
in
New
Growth
this
year,
okay
and
then
we
did
over
49
million
last
year,
and
then
you
have
a
bunch
come
in
online
in.
A
Right
just
means
that
the
rate
drops
by
10
percent
and
what
what
affects
their
tax
bill
is
new
construction
offsetting
what
we
all
pay,
because
they
get
a
little
bit
of
it
and
then
what
we
do
in
the
Levy
right,
whether
we
increase
the
tax
bill.
What
percentage
we
do.
A
There's
very
little
discretion
in
here.
This
is
kind
of
done.
It's
it's
an
it's
a
fixed
calculation.
So,
but
what
it
means
is
some
years
the
commercial
side
might
take.
A
portion
of
the
residential
tax
bill
which
reduces
any
residence
is
taxed
slightly
and
increases
the
commercial
side
also
know
to
take
away.
A
One
percent
from
the
residential
side
is
1
over
71.,
but
1
over
29,
which
is
what
you're,
giving
to
the
commercial
side
is
actually
a
bigger
burden
right
because
it's
a
smaller
base
right,
so
you
say:
oh
I
reduced
the
residential
Side
by
one
percent.
You
might
increase
the
commercial
Side
by
two
or
three
in
so
doing,.
H
A
N
N
D
A
A
So
our
assessor
does
this
there's
a
fixed
set
of
calculations.
You'll
actually
actually
see
the
calculations.
If
you
work
your
way
through
it,
take
this
number
divide
by
this
number
and
then
the
officer
real
property
taxes.
A
H
C
More
cake,
I
do
have
more
questions
about
assessments,
but
not
about
base
proportions.
Just
I
feel
like
I've,
been
doing
it
long
enough
now
to
understand
the
questions
that
get
asked
of
me
and
I'm
going
to
ask
them
onward
and
I
think
I
might
have
said
something
to
Chris
about
next
year
that
if
the
city
council
could
get
us
get
a
quick
update
before
the
letters
go
out
to
everybody,
so
we
can
plan
for
the
onslaught
of
email.
Even
though
we're
not
answering
them,
we
get
them
yeah.
A
I
have
one
I
got
to
do
that
came
in,
but
what
we
asked
the
assessor
and-
and
she
agreed
that
next
year,
at
the
bottom
of
that
letter,
we
looked
at
a
couple
of
other
communities
and
they
they
give
you
a
little
bit
of
information
and
the
important
piece
is
you
know
your
property
is
up
by
this
many
dollars
calculated
as
a
percentage
and
then
here's
the
percentage
for
all
residential
in
Beacon
right.
So.
I
A
I
A
E
A
A
A
Because
they
said
come
on,
let's
do
it
next
year
right
because
you
know
the
assessments
keep
rising
and
so
we're
all
scared.
Oh,
my
goodness,
you
know
I'm
gonna
get
a
much
bigger
tax
bill,
and
the
piece
of
information
you
need
to
know
is
what
your
increase
is
relative
to
everyone
else's
increase.
C
Yeah,
that's
yeah,
I
kind
of
I
kind
of
figured
that
one
out
a
couple
years
ago
as
a
homeowner,
exactly
one
of
the
questions
that
I
get
a
lot
and
we
don't
have
to
tackle
this
right
now
is
when
someone
buys
when
someone
buys
a
new
home,
the
value
of
that
home
is
much
higher
than
say
the
property
next
door,
which
is
an
identical
home.
C
A
We
could
ask
ourselves
to
that
question,
but
the
official
answer
is
that
you
can't
do
that.
In
other
words,
if
there's
two
houses
one
next
to
the
other
and
one
happens
to
sell,
say
for
double
what
the
other
one
is
on
the
books
for
you
need
to
assess
both
the
same
way.
Okay,
because
if
they're
identical
homes,
you
know
like
they're,
Angela,
Court
townhouses
right
just
because
the
one
sells
it
a
lot
right.
A
So
what
you
should
be
doing
is
you
say
either
I
apply
that
sale
price
to
every
single
one
of
them.
That's
identical
or
I.
Don't
and
I
apply
a
different
number
and
I
have
to
have
a
logic
as
to
why
that
is.
E
And
I
think
our
assessor
gets.
It
takes
an
average
of
you
know:
okay,
the
prices
have
risen
10
this
year
and
she'll
do
that
across
the
board
and
again
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
just
because
your
your
house
went
up
10.
Sometimes
the
rates
are
going
down.
Nine
percent
or
nine
point
five
percent,
so
it
doesn't
mean
your
taxes
are.
E
C
Yeah,
we
do
stagger
the
the
non-homestead
assessments
right.
A
C
E
A
G
B
I
F
A
Grievance
day
right,
why
call
it
something
nice
when
you
can
call
it
a
grievance
day?
It
comes
with
Festivus,
but
it's
in
may
not
December
and
yeah,
and
usually
the
way
you
do
that
is
you
say
here's.
My
assessment
here
are
the
ones
around
me
right,
and
so,
if
there's
become
a
discrepancy,
you
can
literally
go
online
to
these.
You
know:
Dutchess
County,
personal
access,
look
at
every
single
property.
Next
to
you
and
just
come
saying:
here's
mine,
here's!
Theirs!
Usually
you
discover
you're
in
the
ballpark,
but
sometimes
you
discover
you're,
not
right.
B
D
D
To
be
hurt
by
the
board
of
assessment
review
for
Residential
Properties,
if
you're
not
satisfied
with
the
results,
you
can
file
a
scar
proceeding
which
is
in
court
and
goes
through
a
small
hearing
process
and
then
for
commercial
properties.
You
would
file
a
tax
or
sorority
in
Supreme
Court
challenging
your
assessment.
A
D
A
A
H
B
The
agenda
I
had
wanted
to
clarify
what
our
follow-up
was
on
the
open
space
planning
presentation.
What
I
heard
us
say
is
that
we're
interested
in
incorporating
this
into
our
comprehensive
plan
is
that
did
I
understand
I.
H
B
C
D
C
D
D
A
Yep,
so
do
we
need
a
motion
to
do
executive
session
all
right
so
we'll
need
a
motion
to
go
into
executive
sessions
for
personnel
a.
C
A
Molly
and
Dan
all
in
favor
thank.