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From YouTube: Beacon Council Workshop 2-21-23
Description
The City of Beacon Council Workshop from February 21, 2023
A
A
C
Right
I'm,
going
to
give
you
an
update
based
upon
our
conversation
with
nyserda
and
Bruce,
is
here
just
to
answer
any
questions
and
just
talk
about
the
implementation
of
the
law
and
how
that
would
be
accomplished
and
his
thoughts
on
the
law
in
general
and
to
answer
some
questions
from
the
council.
So
the
council
may
recall,
as
we've
been
discussing
this
matter,
we've
been
looking
at
what
the
state
has
been
doing
and
we
had
reached
out
to
nyserda
to
get
their
thoughts
on
the
city's
proposed
local
law.
We
had
not
been
successful.
C
They
had
not
gone
back
to
us
in
a
timely
fashion
and
then
the
administrator's
office
reached
out
and
were
able
to
get
some
traction,
and
we
had
a
call
with
the
mayor
myself
and
the
administrator
last
Monday,
and
it
was
a
good
conversation
to
project
managers
for
a
nice
area
and
they
had
The
General
Counsel
on
the
line
and
as
we
got
into
the
conversation,
it
became
evident
why
they
were
reluctant
to
speak
with
the
attorney's
office.
It
was
because
they
have
a
policy
of
not
really
speaking
on
issues
when
there
is
pending.
C
Legislation
proposed
the
governor's
budget
included,
proposed
electrification
legislation,
so
they
were
reluctant
to
comment
on
our
law
while
at
the
same
time
they
were
proposing
that
legislation
within
the
governor's
budget.
They,
however,
did
with
saying
all
that
they
did
then
engage
in
a
discussion
with
us.
Their
Council
made
sure
they
stayed
within
their
boundary
lines
and
it
was
probably
a
good
45-50
minute
conversation
where
they
provided
us
with
some
feedback
as
to
the
availability
of
a
technology.
C
Availability
of
the
workforce
walk
us
through
some
of
the
parameters
of
the
governor's
proposed
legislation
and
just
to
put
it
in
context,
we
have
the
city's
proposed
local
law.
The
Senate
and
assembly
have
an
all-electric
act
that
had
been
proposed
in
the
prior
session.
It's
been
reintroduced
for
the
2020
3
2024
session,
and
then
the
governor
has
within
her
budget
additional
legislation
that
is
proposed.
C
That
is
a
little
different,
a
more
comprehensive
than
the
Senate
and
assembly
legislation,
and
the
governor's
hope
would
be
that
as
we're
negotiating
the
budget
legislative
proposals
contained
within
her
budget
message
and
within
her
500
page
budget
legislation
would
be
enacted
at
that
time.
So
the
state
budgets
required
to
be
adopted
by
April
1st
in
the
more
recent
times.
They've
actually
met
that
deadline.
So
if
the
governor
is
able
to
negotiate
and
reach
agreement
with
the
legislative
bodies,
then
the
governor's
LED
proposed
legislation
would
be
adopted
as
part
of
the
budget
Bill.
C
If
not,
then
it
would
go
to
the
Senate
and
the
assembly
Bill,
and
that
would
then
be
debated
until
they
go
out
of
session
in
June,
but
it
could
then
continue
on
for
another
year.
We
don't
have
a
sense
as
to
the
receptivity
within
the
assembly,
in
the
Senate
to
the
governor's
proposed
legislation.
They
did
not
elaborate
upon
that,
but
we
do
know
it's
sort
of
a
goal
of
the
governor
and
the
climate
Action
Council
to
implement
the
zero
emission
goals.
So
I
would
expect
that
would
have
traction.
C
I,
don't
know
if
it
has
more
traction
than
last
year,
but
certainly
I
think
the
momentum
is
behind
it.
What
came
out
in
our
discussions
is
that
the
technology
is
there,
but
Workforce
is
there.
The
state
is
working
nicerators,
working
on
a
update
to
the
stretch,
energy
code,
they're,
also
working
on
an
update
to
go
all
electric
code
stretch
to
zero
code.
There
are
two
communities
that
are
presently
working
with
Ithaca
and
Hastings
to
sort
of
evaluate
that
the
stretch
to
zero.
C
C
And
the
if
it
once
then
right
now
they
are
working
on
sort
of
policy
initiatives
and
looking
at
what
the
goals
and
purpose
of
that
would
be
drafting
the
law,
probably
not
going
to
be
ready
for
Hastings
or
Ithaca
until
the
end
of
this
year,
and
then,
if
they
think
it's
has
good
reviews
and
that
would
be
used.
They
would
then
roll
that
out
as
a
potential
stretch
to
zero
towards
the
end
of
2024,
but
I've
been
municipalities.
I
could
consider
adopting.
C
They
noted
that
Beacon's
legislation
were
not
aware
of
any
other
community
that
is
considering
it.
They
are
noted,
as
we've
noted,
that
the
city
and
town
of
Ithaca
have
adopted
a
program,
a
lot
more
different
and
comprehensive
and
burdensome
I
think
than
when
we're
proposing,
and
they
noted
that
in
our
drafting
you
know
we
have
flexibility.
The
state
law
provides
flexibility.
They
pointed
out
to
the
governor's
budget
bill.
C
They
point
out
to
the
implementation
that
there's
flexibility
as
to
wherever
you
do
it,
roll
it
out
or
wants
to
roll
it
out,
with
residential
and
Commercial
staging
and
similar
to
what
the
governor
has
done.
What
they
stressed
to
us
was
that
in
drafting
bird
law,
they
were
trying
not
to
achieve
100
but
achieve
as
close
to
100
as
possible
in
terms
of
implement
implementing
it,
and
they
also
noted
that
there
were
certain
uses
that
were
I,
say
problematic
ones.
C
That
report
were
not
as
readily
identifiable
and
resolvable
at
this
time
and
they
have
in
their
proposed
legislation,
extensions,
and
they
had
suggested
that
we
consider
those
exemptions
and
their
exemptions
are
similar
to
the
ones
we've
discussed.
The
first
one
is
for
a
generation
of
emergency
backup
power
right.
C
Your
generators,
the
next
one
is
in
a
manufactured
home,
as
defined
in
subdivision
seven
of
section
601
of
the
executive
law
manufactured
homes,
I
think
that's
a
limited
exception,
and
then
the
third
one
was
one
which
reads
in
a
building
or
part
of
a
building
that
is
used
as
a
manufacturing
facility,
commercial,
food
establishment,
laboratory,
laundromat,
Hospital
of
a
medical
facility,
critical
infrastructure
such
as
backup
power
for
wastewater
treatment
facilities
or
crematoriums.
And
then
those
are
the
only
exceptions
they
had
and
they
suggested
that
those
exceptions,
sort
of
they
thought
was
accepting
and
prudent.
C
Within
the
the
industry
and
where
the
technology
was
it
allowed
it
to
to
sort
of
get
buy-in
from
the
regulated
community,
and
then
they
noted
that
there's
an
exception
to
the
exception.
That
requires
wherever
prohibition
on
fossil
fuel
equipment
and
building
system
is
not
feasible
in
the
exemptions.
I
just
discussed
that
require
the
area
of
service
within
the
new
building
we
have
a
fossil
fuel
equipment
is
being
installed,
be
electrification
ready
so
that
in
the
future
it
could
then
be
converted.
C
So
you
would
allow
the
fossil
fuel
equipment
in
like
a
laundromat,
but
you
would
make
sure
if
a
new
laundromat
is
coming
in
that
it's
the
ability
to
be
electrified
at
some
point
in
the
future,
so
that
you're
still
able
to
implement
the
state's
goal
in
the
future,
because,
as
you
may
recall,
this
is
not
doesn't
do
with
existing
establishment.
We're
talking
about
new,
it's
not
requiring
retrofitting.
The
governor's
climate
act
does
talk
about
retrofitting
a
decade
or
so
down
down
the
line.
C
C
So
while
you
may
have
new
construction,
some
of
the
quote
new
construction
is
Rehabilitation
of
existing
buildings
going
from
industrial
to
residential,
and
that's
why
we
had
that
language
and
we
had
modeled
that
language
after
the
town
of
Ithaca
who
had
a
city
of
Ithaca
there's
a
city
in
the
town.
We
both
actually
have
similar
laws,
so
we
had
modeled
Rehabilitation
after
city
of
Ithaca.
They
thought
the
language
we
had
proposed
made
sense.
C
They
didn't
ever
offer
any
comments
on
it,
so
their
recommendation
was
that
we
followed
the
state's
exemptions
and
that
we
had
flexibility
in
the
in
the
implementation
and
they
said
the
gut
rehab
in
eight
cents,
but
really
deferred
that
out.
That
was
a
local
issue
and
and
I
believe
those
were
the
highlights.
Chris.
Anything
I
forgot
well.
D
I
just
the
context
they
they
were
very
positive
about
what
we
were
doing.
They
remembered
that
Beacon
was
either
the
first
or
one
of
the
first
to
adopt
the
stretch
code.
We
ex
the
mayor
expressed
interest
in
going
to
the
stretch
to
zero
when
they
opened
that
up
again-
and
we
said
essentially
what
we're
proposing
is
that.
How
is
that
different
from
stretch
to
zero?
And
they
said
it's
really
not
effectively.
D
C
Think,
with
respect
to
questions
that
the
building
department
may
have
when
a
developer
comes
in
and
says
it's
not
practical
or
how
do
I
do
this,
we
haven't
thought
about
this
technology
won't
fit
in
this
area.
So
how
do
you
address
it?
So
it's
both
advice
and
assistance
for
the
building
department,
but
also
for
the
development
Community.
Should
there
be
questions
about
how
you
go
about
complying
with
the
law.
A
Yeah,
the
my
understanding
was
that
if
you
deal
with
the
exemptions
that
they've
listed
that
you
can,
you
can
kind
of
push
this
forward.
But
the
information
that
you
need
are
things
like
what
incentives
are
available
and
at
what
time?
Right,
because
if
we
move
faster
than
the
state
we're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
either
justify
that
or
figure
out,
you
know
what
are
the
incentives
that
will
make
it
work
right
right.
E
A
D
C
C
Mention
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
conflict
with
the
building
code
requirements
and
part
of
this
pre,
because
we
are
we're
not
preempted
by
mistake.
We're
under
the
energy
code
allowed
to
make
these
changes
and
recall
that
the
law
is
still
subject
to
review
by
the
New
York
State
Building
Codes
Council.
Once
we
adopt
the
law,
we
submit
it
up
to
Albany
Department
of
State.
F
G
C
They
did
and
that's
why
I
said
they
have.
They
said
we
have
flexible
ability.
They
said
that
if
you,
the
state
is
going
that
way
because
we're
rolling
it
out
Statewide,
we
need
to
make
sure
it's
sort
of
rolled
out
in
his
buy-in
politically.
If
you
will,
they
said
Beacon.
If
the
technology
is
there,
you
have
the
flexibility
to
do
so.
They
recognized
that
the
exemptions
provide
you
with
that
flexibility,
so
that
you
could
do
Residential
and
Commercial.
H
A
I
J
C
C
E
D
H
C
H
D
Mean
honestly,
they
said
the
commercial
piece
could
flow
much
quicker
than
we
were
envisioning
right
and
again,
I
I
think
they
they
recommended.
We
go
with
what
the
state
has
done,
because
they've
kind
of
researched
it
you
know
and
then
the
only
thing
they
don't
have
any
retrofit
in
their
law
at
all
and
that's
where
we
borrowed
from
Ithaca,
which
kind
of
came
up
with
a
a
way
to
deal
with
that
right.
J
Right,
I'm
certainly
open
to
making
an
exemption
for
laundromats,
because
we
have
a
bit
of
a
laundromat
crisis
and
with
the
closing
of
the
laundromat
on
Main,
Street
I,
think
there's
only
one,
maybe
two
left
in
town
and
we
have
50
of
our
proper.
Fifty
percent
of
our
homes
are
rentals
and
they
may
not
all
have
washing
and
drying
machines.
So
I
think
we
want
to
do
something
to
encourage
laundromats
to
move
to
Beacon
right
now.
E
Thing
yeah
I
think
that
you
know
you
can't
buy
used
ones
in
a
lot
of
places,
buy
used
equipment.
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
huge
investment,
and
so,
if
you,
if
you're
going
for
the
highest
technology
possible,
whether
it
exists,
I
think
you've
got
to
pay
a
premium
and
I
think
it's
going
to
discourage
restaurants
from
opening
up.
J
A
Well,
so
I
think
we're
being
offered
a
very
clear
trade-off,
which
is
we
can
move
up
the
date
kind
of
the
way
that
Molly
described
it.
If
we,
you
know,
take
on
the
exemptions
that
the
800
pages
of
you
know
evidence
have
said
these
are
the
appropriate
ones.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me,
and
it
takes
me
out
of
the
business
of
needing
to
know
every
piece
of
technology
right
as
it
applies
to
every
you
know,
potential
use
right,
so
the
exemptions,
as
a
group
kind
of
lead
me
to
say
fine.
B
I
think
I'm
open
to
this
approach,
as
long
as
as
I
think
I
understood
what
Molly
was
saying
that
we
still
required
that
heating
and
cooling
systems
in
these
commercial
buildings
to
be
electric
and
the
the
exemption
to
the
exemption.
Prohibition
were
not
feasible
so
that
these
commercial
spaces
could
still
be
electrification
ready,
even
if
they're
not
done
immediately.
A
A
Yeah,
so
that
means
by
having
the
heating
done.
You
take
care
of
90
of
the
greenhouse
gases,
that's
right
right
and
we're
only
dealing
with
the
rump
now
right
and
so
again,
I'm
very
willing
to
kind
of
say
that's
a
good
call,
especially
if
we
want
to
be
a
model.
If
we
want
to
be
a
model
to
hundreds
of
other
communities,
we
should
Hew
pretty
closely
to
what
nyserda
and
is
in
the
legislation,
because
all
we're
basically
doing
is
creating
a
new
stretch
right
and
that's
effectively
what
how
they
describe.
C
J
I
I
saw
so
Amber
and
Aaron
I
said
you
know
a
feedback
session
or
kind
of
like
a
with
nyserda
when
they
were
coming
up
with
the
stretch
to
zero
goals
and
the
draft
that
we
saw
at
that
time.
This
was
2021
that
that
draft
that
we
saw
was
very
complicated,
the
what
nyserda
was
putting
forward
with
regards
to
electrification,
and
we
were
really
struggling
to
understand
it.
I,
don't
remember
it
today,
because
I
barely
understood
it
when
they
were
showing
it
to
me,
but
right
right.
I
J
J
G
I
want
to
agree
with
you
Dan,
actually,
because
I
I
think
that
if
we
remove
that
from
an
exemption,
we're
not
saying
that
manufacturing
can't
happen
here.
But
what
we're
saying
is
that
we
don't
want
to
lock
Beacon
into
generations
of
extra
fossil
fuels
that
are
unnecessary
for
our
community,
but
the
technology
is
some
of
the
Technology's.
There
are
some
of
it's
on
its
way
and
I.
Think
it's
a
matter
of.
Do.
H
G
A
G
A
J
See
I'm
seeing
it
a
little
different
than
Julie
I'm
I'm,
seeing
it
the
other
way
is
if
we
say,
if
we
don't
have
exceptions,
I
feel
like
we're
coming
out
of
the
technology
business,
but
because
we're
putting
in
exceptions
I'm
starting
to
think
about.
Like
oh
well,
we're
sorry,
that's
when
we
start
talking
about
technology,
that's
when
we
start
talking
about
glass,
blowing
and
laundry
machines,
and
you
know
what
was
what
was
there
anyway,
but
we're
talking
about
technology
when
we
talk
about
the
exceptions
when
we
just
say
when
the
technology
evolves.
J
I
A
C
Because
that's
why
the
commercial
is
broken
out
that
way
from
residential.
Otherwise
the
state
code
would
have
just
had
one
category
and
then
the
exemptions,
but
they
broke
down
the
commercial
recognizing
that
there
were
some
commercial
where
the
exemptions
were
appropriate
because
the
technology
wasn't
there
well.
I
D
That's
that's
well
out
into
the
2030s.
If
it's
in
it
at
all
I
mean
they.
We
asked
them
about
that
and
they
said.
That's
that's
not
ready
to
go
and
I
want
to
remind
you
like
italics,
can't
when
talix
came
to
town
and
did
like
the
da
Vinci
horse
you're
not
going
to
do
that
with
electric.
Do
you
want
a
business
like
that?
Come
into
town
I?
Would
I
mean
you
have
you
have
Niche
Mater
and
what,
if
they
they
have
facility
space
over
there?
That
has
to
be
renovated.
D
D
They're
going
to
do
is
what
they're
going
to
do
is
they're
going
to
move
out
of
Beacon
they'll
go
to
South,
Carolina
or
North
Carolina
I
mean
we
already
had
to
work
with
the
Empire
State
development
to
keep
some
of
these
businesses
here.
What
if
kempreen
decides
to
do
a
different
thing?
I
mean
these?
Are
we
don't
even
know
what
we're
doing
on
on
some
of
the
commercial
to
wade
into
Industrial,
again
you're,
going
against
what
the
state
has
set
up
as
a
parameter.
C
Well,
this
is
also
when
we
had
this
discussion
with
the
state
in
terms
of
the
industrial
regulation,
and
the
mayor
mentioned
the
glass
blowing
and
that's
when
they
said.
You
really
then
started
to
get
diminishing
returns,
because
you're
then
impacting
the
your
largest
impact
is
a
residential
commercial
and
your
light
and
your
heating
and
the
cooling
not
so
much
of
the
industrial.
So
that's
why
they,
they
again
recommend
to
be
extensions.
D
D
Yeah
but
I
mean
again,
you
have
something
here
that
you're
you're
hitting
most
of
the
greenhouse
gases
like
most
of
the
greenhouse
gases,
aren't
in
industrial
in
in
Beacon.
We
just
don't
have
that
room,
we're
not.
You
know
coal
mines
and
and
Mills,
but
you
do
have
some
very
high-end
Niche,
like
kind
of
Niche
businesses,
you.
C
E
An
all
or
nothing
yeah
I
mean
we've
also
spent
the
last
few
years
talking
about
bringing
jobs
here
instead
of
more
residential
and
I.
Think
if
we
wait
for
the
technology
to
catch
up
and
are
willing
to
say
well
we're
just
going
to
wait
until
the
technology
is
there
before
we're
going
to
let
these
businesses
in
I
I,
don't
think!
That's
that's
wise
and
I.
Think
I'd
prefer
the
jobs
in
relative
to
the
impact
I
I
think
an
exemption
is
appropriate
at
this
time.
I'd.
G
J
Think
yeah,
the
the
logic
that
Lee
explained
was
that
the
you
know
the
longer
timeline
is
for
the
first
for
the
other
technology
to
catch
up
yeah.
So
how
does
the
so
Paloma
suggested
going
along
with
the
exemptions
during
2024
for
commercial
having
Heating
and
Cooling
not
be
Exempted
right
and
and
that
the
buildings
have
to
be
outfitted
for
electrification
when
the
so
when
the
time
comes,
and
the
technology
evolves?
D
F
There
would
be
depending
upon
what
they're
looking
to
do.
It
could
mean
you
know,
service
upgrades
to
the
building
if
it's
an
existing
building.
If
it's
something
that
they're
building
new
today,
you
know
they
can
plan
for
that
ahead
of
time
and
upgrade
their
service
large
enough
to
accommodate
the
electric
electric
usage
in
the
future.
F
F
Additional
you
know
an
additional
cost
to
them
in
terms
of
running.
You
know
electrical
conduits,
let's
say
or
stuff
like
that,
to
a
location
from
their
service
entrance.
You
know
to
where
they
would
need
equipment.
I
mean
that
that's
a
minimal
cost
to
them.
That
could
be
done
later
on,
okay,
but
I
think
the
biggest
is
the
service.
You
know
the
electrical
service
to
the
building,
that's
going
to
be
their
basic
biggest
expense.
F
Think
that
the
running
of
a
new
electrical
service
to
the
building
to
accommodate
the
future
electrical
use,
that
would
be
the
biggest
expense
for
them.
You
know
whether
or
not
you're
required
to
do
that.
You
know
currently
during
a
renovation-
or
you
know,
hold
that
off
until
the
point
where
they
actually
do
the
upgrade
to
the
electric
heat.
F
Yeah,
when
you're
doing
new
construction
and
I'm
thinking
about
it
on
a
standpoint
for
actually
in
the
stretch
code,
there's
a
provision
in
the
the
stretch
code
that
you
have
to
provide
for
an
electric
outlet
in
a
residential
garage
for
a
car
charger.
Even
but
you
don't
have
to
install
a
car
charger,
you
just
have
to
have
the
you
know
the
electric
there
with
some
type
of
connection
back
to
the
to
the
house
panel.
F
Obviously
the
service
panel,
the
meter
you
know
possibly
even
have
to
they
may
even
have
to
install
Transformers
or
a
Transformer.
You
know
at
the
site
because
they're
going
to
have
to
step
up,
what's
being
delivered
to
them
in
order
to
produce
what's
needed
and
that's
more
for
the
commercial
aspect.
Not
the
you
know
the
residential
residential.
K
F
It
wouldn't
be
because
when
they,
when
they
submit
their
plans,
they
would
be
told
on
the
front
side
if
the
law
is
passed
in
that
manner
when
they
submit
their
plans
to
our
office
for
review,
then
we
turn
around.
We
look
at
it
and
then
make
sure
that
the
equipment
they're
putting
in
for
the
heating
and
cooling
is
all
electric
and
then,
if
they
are
running
gas
into
the
building
for
the
cooking
equipment,
then
it
would
be.
A
J
J
C
J
C
And
then
the
fourth
was
then
that
in
that
situation
that
then
be
a
build
out
so
that
it
can
be
used
for
electric
later
on.
So
we
can
take
the
state
language
draft,
a
revised
local
law
included
in
the
packet,
so
at
least
the
public
would
see
that
on
Monday's
public
hearing
and
then
you
can
further
Workshop
that
law,
but
I
have
the
gist
of
what
you're
saying
we'll
circulate
back
to
the
council
as
well.
I'm.
J
H
H
A
H
I
have
a
this
is
a
pie
in
the
sky
thing
and
not
something
for
legislate,
but
if
we,
if,
if
stretch
to
zero,
did
open
up
again
and
we
became
it
and
we
got
technical
expertise,
I
wonder
if
part
of
that
could
be
helping
businesses
to
Think
Through
options
are
I,
assume
nyserda
had
their
pulse
on.
What's
coming
up,
so
that
maybe
that's
a
partnership
too,
that
we
could
leverage
again
in
the
future.
If
that
works
out.
J
Yeah
I
think
you
know
this
might
be
a
little
off
topic,
but
since
we're
talking
about
the
conversation
with
nyserda
I
think
an
important
next
step
after
this
law.
If
we
pass
it
would
be
a
public
information
campaign
about
what
is
available
to
the
public
we've
had
presentations
or
we've
had
discussions
at
least
about
some
of
the
incentives
available
free.
You
know
free
analysis
of
your
homes,
you
know
what
do
they
call
it
envelope
ability
yeah.
C
J
E
F
E
F
F
You
know,
if
you
want
that
option
in
there
I
mean
just
you
know,
I
think
it
would
be
an
either,
or
rather
you
know,
have
the
electric
available
at
that
location,
or
you
know,
or
you
know,
run
conduit
to
the
you
know,
to
the
location
and
I
think
that
you
know
that
would
suffice.
It
would
help
them
and
kind
of
maybe
push
them
along
a
little
bit
if
needed.
Okay,.
J
F
And
a
lot
of
times,
it's
it's
not
well!
It's
that
plus
the
size
of
the
wiring
too,
should
go
up
for
some
reason
that
type
of
thing,
but
it
might
be
in
its
best
interest,
is
you
know
they
don't
need
to,
because
it's
a
minimal
expense,
maybe
hold
off
on
that
portion
of
requiring
to
be
ready.
If
it's
new
construction
I
think
yes,
they
should
be
ready
with
at
least
the
electric
service
coming
into
the
you
know,
onto
the
property
they
should
have
enough
to.
F
Needs
would
be
correct
because,
as
that,
as
that
evolves
I
mean
in
the
beginning,
it
may
be
a
very
high
usage,
but
then
down
the
road.
You
know
with
the
technology
getting
better
it
may
you
know
reduce
down,
but
you
want
to
you
know
it's
it's
tough
to
gauge
that
they
could
need
twice
the
you
know
twice
the
amount
of
power
or
some
of
these
things.
You
know
on
the
commercial
side
right,
yeah,.
J
I
L
J
A
We
see
what
that
is.
Yes,
because
again,
the
the
sense
I
got
from
nyserda
is
especially
if
we
want.
You
know,
Molly's
suggestion
of
getting
a
lot
of
advice
and
help,
and
that
would
include
programs
like
advice.
You
know
advertising
the
incentives
that
the
closer
we
are
to
kind
of
matching
them,
the
more
likely
we
were
to
kind
of
get
into
the
program
and
get
that
help
so
and
I
I.
A
J
Just
while
Bruce
is
here
can
I
ask
him
a
question
about
our
the
stretch
code.
There's
a
requirement
in
the
stretch
code,
I
think
with
the
larger
buildings
that
a
couple
of
the
parking
spots,
if
they
have
a
garage,
are
outfitted
with
Charters
and
then
the
others
have
to
be
what
we're
describing
now
they
have
to
be
charger
ready
have
have
you
been
I.
G
F
Only
because
it's
been,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
residential
projects
going
on
right
now.
Actually,
one
of
the
builders
that
just
came
to
town,
actually,
it's
the
first
project
that
they're
doing
under
the
stretch
code,
one
of
their
one
of
their
people,
their
development
people
in
the
office
actually
started.
Questioning
me
about
different
things
and
I
said
well.
Give
me
a
few
days.
I
gotta
look.
F
I
F
A
F
B
B
Okay,
just
want
to
pay
a
little
bit
of
attention
to
the
carrots
that
are
out
here.
My
other
question
for
Bruce-
and
maybe
this
is
something
to
ask
you
after
you're
a
little
more
familiar
with
the
stretch
code.
Is
that
we're
we're
talking
about
the
electrical
load
here,
which
is
really
important,
obviously,
but
for
Energy
Efficiency?
B
We
also
need
to
be
talking
about
standards
for
insulation
and
ventilation,
and
so,
in
order
for
most
of
these
electric
appliances
to
truly
one
most
efficiently,
structures
have
to
be
properly
insulated
and
I'm.
Just
curious.
If
you
have
thoughts
yet
or
a
take
on
whether
or
current
stretch
code
is
adequate
on
that
front,.
F
J
F
So
the
the
insulation
values
are
are
pretty
much
adequate
in
the
stretch
code.
The
stretch
coat
actually
tries
to
push
you
to
doing.
Some
alternate
means.
Instead
of
just
putting
insulation
in
between
the
cavities
of
the
you
know,
the
wall
framing
they're
actually
pushing
you
closer
to
trying
to
put
insulation
and
cavities
and
as
well
totally
across
the
exterior
of
the
building,
basically
giving
you
100.
F
You
know
giving
you
a
thermal
break
from
the
outside,
which
is
very
helpful
in
insulating
the
building,
so
you're
not
getting
cold,
transmitting
Through,
the
Wood
studs
to
some
degree,
so
I
think
the
stretch
coat
is
an
adequate
insulation
value.
I,
don't
think
there
would
be
a
need
to
address.
You
know
to
say
at
least
trying
to
upgrade
that.
C
F
Yeah
I
think
it's
with
the
at
least
from
the
you
know
the
enforcement
aspect.
You
know
if
they're
going
ahead
and
they're
doing
that,
that
level
of
renovation
doing
you
know
three
quarters
of
the
building
and
they
are
going
to
replace
the
heating
equipment.
That's
in
there.
It
does
make
sense
for
them
to
go
ahead
and
upgrade
the
heating
equipment
at
the
same
time,
because
they're
bringing
up
the
insulation
values
within
the
building.
F
J
J
J
F
What
do
you
think
is
the
importance
of
having
that
I
mean
the
other
issue
comes
in
is
it's
you
know,
I
guess,
then
you
would
need
some
type
of
a
evaluation
on
it
too,
because
if
by
upgrading
the
electric
heating
equipment
or
forcing
them
to
upgrade
it,
that
puts
an
additional
burden
on
them
financially,
because
that
heating
equipment
would
have
to
be
installed
and
then
possibly
upgrading
the
electrical
service.
At
the
same
time,.
J
J
F
Do
yeah,
yes
or
you've,
maybe
even
address
it
with
the
actual
heating
equipment
itself,
most
of
the
equipment
that's
out
there.
They
all
have
manufacturers,
you
know
tags
on
them
with
manufactured
dates
on
it,
so
you
know
they
can
identify
when
the
unit
was
manufactured.
If
it's
more
than
you
know,
if
the
unit's
more
than
let's
say
you
know,
15
years
old
or
20
years
old,
you
know
they
can
replace
that
they
could.
F
J
C
A
J
J
C
J
I
J
J
Anything
else
is
how
it
reads
to
me
right
like
because
I
can,
if
you,
if
I,
say
I'm
renovating
75,
you
ask
me
if
I'm
replacing
the
hot
water
and
cooler
system
and
I
know
it's
because
I'm
going
to
have
to
lecture
I'm,
gonna,
say
no
I'm
not
and
then
do
I
need
a
building
permit
when
I
replace
a
heating
or
cooling
system
or
do
I.
Yes,
you
do
so
if
I
were
to
replace
my
furnace
or
something
I
need
to
come
to
you.
A
C
F
Dependent
upon
the
the
renovation
itself,
again,
like
I
said,
is
I've
been
to
some
houses
where
the
heating
system-
you
know
the
heating
system
is
fairly
new,
so
they
don't
replace
it.
You
know
they
make.
They
may
make
modifications
to
duct
work
or
piping,
or
things
like
that.
But
they'll
leave
the
you
know
the
heating
unit
there,
because
it's
something
that
could
be
changed
out
at
a
later
date.
F
F
F
Now
you
go
and
you
want
to.
You
know,
change
everything
out
to
heat
pumps.
You
know
that
might
be.
You
know
with
an
upgrade
of
the
electrical
service,
the
heat
pumps.
You
know
how
they
install
them.
It
could
be
anywhere
from
you
know,
let's
say
10
to
15
000,
so
you
know
you're
double
doubling
the
cost
to
a
replacement
and
then
that's
a
burden
you
have
to
put
on
the
property
owner.
F
You
know
something
that
they.
You
know
most
of
the
time.
These
things
happen.
They're
they're
unexpected,
so
it's
not
like
it's
planned,
for
that
will
be
something
to
keep
in
the
back.
You
know
back
of
everybody's
mind
because
that's
if
you're
looking
out
for
the
residents
it
could
be.
You
know
that
could
be
a
lot
of
backlash
on
that
that
you're,
you
know
you're
causing
me
to
have
to
spend
a
lot
more
money
than
I'm
than
I
actually
have
to
spend
and.
C
F
Most
of
the
time
they
would
okay,
especially
if
it's
a
I
mean
if
it's
somebody
that's
coming
to,
they
buy
up
a
house.
That's
you
know,
that's
pretty
run
down
they.
They
got
it
at
a
good
price
and
they're
flipping
the
house.
You
know,
usually
you
know,
for
resale
they're
going
to
replace
everything.
You
know
those.
Those
are
that's
pretty
much
standard.
You
know,
give
them
give
them
all
new
heating
equipment.
All
new.
You
know
brand
new
kitchens
brand
new
kitchen
brand
new
bathrooms.
I
F
Going
to
say
all
the
time,
but
most
of
the
time-
yes,
because
usually
somebody
that
buys
the
house
on
a
you
know
on
an
investment
or
they
you
know
they
just
bought
it.
Actually,
there's
a
few
that
you
know:
I've
I'm
surprised
that
the
amount
of
work
they've
done.
They
actually
do
a
you
know:
100
renovation.
F
J
K
J
But
then
another
example
is
the
build
bigger
buildings
where
people
are
spending
other
people's
money,
Banks
money,
ten
thousand
dollars-
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
renovating
75
percent
of
one
East
Main.
My
guess
is
that
ten
thousand
dollars
doesn't
add
a
whole
lot
to
the
bill
in
the
end,
but
the
way
that
the
law
is
written
right
now
is
I
mean
you
can
drive
a
truck
through
this
loophole.
I
mean
we
can
identify
right
here
and
now
in
this
meeting,
and
it's
very
easy
to
exploit.
J
J
A
Criteria
that
says,
if
you
replace
it
within
five
years,
you're
out
of
compliance
or
put
a
put
a
clause
in
there
just
for
that
that
didn't
strike
me
as
something
that
would
occur,
but
I'm
happy
to
put
something
in
like
that
right,
because
if
you
think
they're
going
to
game
it,
we
can.
We
can
deal
with
that
part
because
I
I
think
it's
more
likely
that
we're
dealing
with
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
mostly
homes.
A
It's
going
to
be
homeowners
and
it's
going
to
be
people
on
a
budget
sort
of
the
way
that
that
Ren
described
it.
And
you
know
if
you're
imposing
additional
costs
on
them.
They
may
do
it
at
a
later
date.
They
may
do
it
when
the
incentives
are
in
place,
but
it
may
be
too
much
for
their
budget
now
so
I'd,
rather
not
impose
a
hardship
on
those
situations
and
I'm
happy
to
write
something
to
deal
with
the
loophole
that
you've
raised.
B
Yeah,
what
I'm
hearing
from
Bruce
and
I'll
also
mention
that
my
hot
water
heater
unexpectedly
broke
this
weekend
and
we've
gone
through
a
whole
rigmarole
of
figuring
out
how
to
replace
it,
and
we
do.
We
did
decide
to
go
with
a
hybrid
heat
pump,
electric
hot
water
heater
and
because
of
the
incentives
that
currently
exist
through
Central
Hudson
and
New
York
State
separate
from
the
IRA.
B
But
in
terms
of
this
policy,
what
I'm
hearing
is
that,
because
the
installation
of
those
types
of
appliances,
Oilers
furnaces
and
hot
water
heaters,
do
require
a
permit
that
goes
through
the
building
department.
Adding
a
stop
Gap
like
a
involves,
the
replacement
or
new
installation
within
a
certain
number
of
years.
B
A
A
G
F
A
J
I
J
Yeah
that
sounds
like
it:
I
I
my
I'm
still
of
the
opinion
it
does,
but
I'm
still
of
the
opinion
that,
when
a
major
renovation
is
when
someone's
investing
in
a
in
a
property
would
be
the
time
to
encourage
them
to
to
make
the
to
make
the
switch
over.
So
I
still
feel
like
it's
an
open
invitation
for
everybody
to
kind
of,
say:
well,
I'm,
not
replacing
my
appliances,
so
we're
kind
of
encouraging
people
to
keep
old
appliances.
But
I
I
really
want
to
hear
from
the
public
about
this.
A
Exactly
yes,
that
means
the
and
stays,
but
it
also
says
that
a
subsequent
replacement
of
the
system
will
require
an
electric
one
right,
which
it
should
be
an
encouragement
to
just.
Do
it
then
right,
that's
right!
Unless
you
really
don't
have
the
dough,
because
it's
going
to
be
more
expensive
later,
but
I
I,
think
that
leaves
the
person
the
right
incentive
without
requiring
it.
When
we
don't
know
what
their
budgets
are.
F
Well,
50
percent
that
you
which
well,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
building
more
or
less
the
existing
building
code,
which
more
addresses
commercial
buildings
I,
believe
and
when
you
do
a
I
believe
if
you're
referring
to
like
level
three
alterations
in
the
existing
building
code
that
that
kicks
in
further
requirements
and
things
that
need
to
be
upgraded.
According
to
the
you
know,
the
building
code
and
fire
code
residential
I.
Don't
think
that
there
is
anything
in
the
residential
code
that
addresses
the
50
percent
and
again
with
the
fifty
percent.
F
If
you're
switching
things
over
to
trying
to
go
to
the
the
electric
heating
systems,
I
think
you
really
need
to
be.
You
know
it's
about
three
quarters
of
the
building
to
be
renovated.
That
way
that
you're
getting
the
Energy
Efficiency
for
the
the
exterior
walls
and
the
ceilings
so
that
you're
not
losing
a
lot
of
heat
and
then
making
that
heat
pump
work
that
much
more
to
kind
of
keep
the
temperatures
up
within
the
home.
C
J
B
I
B
B
F
The
existing
building
coach
normally
addresses
you
know.
Commercial
structures
and
IT
addresses
the
50.
The
50
percent
is
addressing
like
upgrades
to
the
you
know,
upgrades
to
the
building.
A
lot
of
them
have
to
do
with
like
sprinkler
systems,
especially
like
a
restaurant
or
a
you
know,
an
apartment
building.
F
Once
you
once
you
once
you
exceed
that
threshold
of
50
of
of
your
area
of
work,
you
actually
have
to
install
these
systems
into
the
building,
but
at
the
same
time
it
doesn't
make
you
upgrade
all
the
insulation
in
the
building,
because
the
insulation
you
may
you
may
have
half
the
building
now
becomes
insulated
and
the
other
half
of
the
building
may
be
uninsulated.
I,
don't
know.
If
that
would
you
know
again
with
the
technology
that's
out
there
today,
I,
don't
know
if
it
would.
F
C
F
C
L
F
I
mean
maybe
it's
maybe
it
is
a
smarter
idea
to
I'll
have
to
take
a
look
at
it.
Maybe
it
is
smart
just
to
adopt
something
simple
now
and
then,
if
the
stretch
to
zero
comes
into
play
in
a
year
or
two
from
now,
once
that
becomes,
you
know
once
they
solidify
that
program
then
maybe
adopt
that
and
then
that
would
just
be
the
upgrade
I.
C
Mean
that's
sort
of
when
drafting
this
Drew
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
right,
Perfection
is
not
the
enemy
of
good
and
that
we
have
the
ability
to
come
back
and
regulate
these
after
you
get
some
experience
and
that's
why
I
think
nyserda
offering
some
technical
guidance
they
actually
would
like
to
be
and
Beacon
adoptable,
because
you're
going
to
be
a
good
case.
Example
you're,
going
to
be
actually
having
real
case
studies
that
they
can
then
pass
on
to
other
communities
and
for
the
refining
the
law.
C
So
I
wouldn't
view
this
law
as
being
the
first
and
only
time,
you're
going
to
look
at
this
issue,
because
the
state
zero
admission
right
that
we're
going
there.
This
is
the
first
step,
retrofitting
Banning
over
appliances.
Those
are
all
down
the
road.
The
technology
is
not
there
yet.
So
this
is
a
good
first
step.
It
gives
you
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
discussing.
C
There
are
more
things
we
can
nibble
up
the
edges,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
that
sort
of
be
a
barrier
or
someone's
going
to
do
a
major
renovation
decide
not
to
do
it
because
it's
50
versus
75
or
you're
trying
to
figure
out
the
age
of
an
appliance.
It
just
detracts
from
the
goal
in
my
mind,
and
we've
got
a
good
law
here
that
you
can
then
Implement
and
tweak
it
right.
F
We
could
do
that.
I
mean
I
mean
once
it
gets
in
place.
It
kind
of
we
can
get
kind
of
feel
it
out
with
everybody,
because
it's
very
difficult,
yeah,
it's
very
I
I-
did
talk
to
some
some
of
the
you
know.
Some
of
the
builders
and
developers
I
mean
there's
some
that
you
know
that
they're
already
using
all
electric
technology,
you
know
because
it
you
know,
because
it
is
efficient.
There
are
people
that
do
prefer
that
over
you
know
over
gas.
F
A
L
Mayor
we're
going
to
go
move
on
to
leaf
blowers,
so
in
the
agenda
packet
we
have
a
memo
from
the
CAC,
which
was
in
response
to
what
the
city
council
had
asked
them
to
look
at
kind
of
the
pros
and
cons
into
leaf
blower
legislation
and
banning
gasoline
leaf
blowers.
Currently
leaf.
Blowers
are
only
a
little
bit
regulated
in
the
city's
code
under
the
noise
chapter,
so
leaf,
blower
use
is
prohibited
between
9
pm
and
7
am,
but
you
can
use
leaf
blowers
between
7am
and
9
pm.
L
No
problem
they're
not
restricted
to
the
decibel
limit
because
pretty
much
impossible
for
leaf
blowers
to
comply
with
decibel
limitations,
and
this
is
standard
language
used
in
all
noise
ordinances
in
Dutchess
County.
In
fact,
no
community
in
Dutchess
County
that
I
was
able
to
find
actually
went
forward
and
did
additional
regulations
on
leaf
blowers,
let
alone
any
regulations
on
gasoline
powered
leaf
blowers.
L
L
J
Your
memo,
it
says,
under
its
police
power,
local
governments
can
establish,
establish
regulations
designed
to
preserve
and
promote
the
public,
health
safety
and
general
welfare
of
the
community.
It
doesn't
say:
noise,
only,
no
control,
dust
pollution,
eliminate
health
hazards
and
minimize
minimize
noise
pollution.
So
it's
not
just
noise.
Yes,.
J
L
J
L
L
A
L
C
And
I
think
lead
to
your
point.
You
can
also
regulate
it
based
upon
Noise
by
banding,
its
use
completely,
so
you
can
say,
for
example,
no
outside
stereos.
No
outside
speakers,
that's
not
regularly
based
upon
a
decibel
level.
That's
Banning!
The
use
of
the
outside
speakers,
similar
to
what
Drew
was
explained
here,
we're
regulating
The
Noise
by
saying
that
those
devices
are
noisy
and
create
those
issues,
especially
with
the
motors
and
the
intermittent,
sounds
that
we
are
turning
it
on
and
off
and
that.
L
And
you
think
about
the
you
know
the
reason
they're
all
to
think
about
all
these
other
benefits
is
this
type
of
legislation
would
be
an
unlisted
action
under
Seeker,
so
we'd
have
to
go
through.
You
know
a
Seeker
analysis
about
why
this
legislation
won't
have
a
potential
environment.
Significant
environmental
impact,
so
you'd
include
all
those
arguments
in
that
as
well.
E
E
C
And
I
think
that
came
to
light
during
the
pandemic,
with
more
people
being
at
home,
especially
working
from
home
and
so
I'm
curious
from
Bruce
from
an
enforcement
perspective.
How
would
your
department
deal
with
that
and
you,
and
maybe
we
can
discuss
some
of
the
enforcement
Provisions
in
the
law
so.
F
I
mean
currently
the
way
we
enforce
the
noise
law.
Is
you
know,
unless
it
happens
between
eight
and
four
Monday
to
Friday?
There's
nobody
here
from
the
building
department.
So,
most
of
the
time
the
calls
get
put
through
the
police
department,
the
police
department
goes
out.
They
investigate
it.
If
there's
an
issue,
you
know
that
they
feel
necessary
to
come
back
to
the
building
department.
They
notify
us,
that's
usually
what
businesses,
it's
usually
with
restaurants
and
bars,
having
different
issues
with
the
residential.
I
F
F
J
L
L
Yes,
and
and
some
municipalities
as
they've
gone
through,
have
also
updated
their
hours,
so
they'll
do
seasonal
limitations
and
then,
when
it's
seasoned
and
you
can
use
leaf
blowers
or
you
can
only
use
it
between
the
smaller
window
of
time-
okay,
so
you
can,
you
can
do
both
or
you
know
you
can
decide
we'll
leave
it
we'll
leave
it.
Nine
I'm,
sorry,
seven
to
nine,
but
during
you
know,
may
to
September.
No,
no
gasoline
powered
leaf.
J
Like
the
cac's
recommendation,
I
think
I
think
slow
like
getting
there
in
a
couple.
Steps
is
probably
the
right
way
to
go
to
kind
of
what
we
would
rather
see.
I
think
we
would
all
agree,
would
be
people
changing
their
behaviors
and
purchasing
different,
safer
equipment
than
being
fined
and
ticketed
into
doing
it.
I
think
we
would
probably
probably
want
to.
It
would
give
us
an
opportunity
to
do
some
communication
around
the
topic
prior
to
implementing
it.
A
G
G
J
I
I,
like
I,
like
Sleepy
Hollow
as
well
Lee
as
a
stepping
stone
towards
not
having
them
around
I,
think
any
time
where
we're
we're
saying
that
something
is
unhealthy
and
not
good
for
people,
but
they
can
continue
to
do
it
through
for
a
certain
number
of
hours.
A
day
does
seem
strange,
but
if
our
goal
is
to
not
have
these
things
around
I
I'm
I'm
for
those
hours
and
it's
regulations.
I
L
G
L
And
I
will
say
that
the
municipalities
we've
worked
with,
have
done
that
strategy
and
has
actually
seemed
to
work
very
well.
A
couple
warnings
have
been
issued.
Members
of
the
community
have
been
able
to
kind
of
discuss.
You
know,
I
got
a
warning,
make
sure
you're
listening
so
I
think
that
is
a
is
a
good
and
fair
way
to
go.
It
kind
of
helps
the
transition
into
this
type
of
legislation.
I
J
J
Okay-
sorry
about
that,
so
we
were
talking
about
cannabis
and
we
were
talking
about
how
it
was.
We
had
uncovered
that
smoking
was
not
banned
in
beacons,
Parks
remember
and
then
we
were
talking
about
the
fines
and
we
were
like
whatever
and
then
I
think
air
roads
might
have
said.
Something
like
you
know,
that's
too
high
or
what
and
it
turned
out
that
it
was
the
the
penalty
could
be
set
by
the
judge,
but
not
to
exceed
a
certain
amount.
Are
we
can
we
do
that?
Some
do
that
here
as
well.
Yeah.
L
C
L
L
So
you
could
do
increment
like
the
first
one
would
could
be
250.
Second
one
500
or
you
could
just
say
you
know
500
and
the
judge
and
the
City
prosecutor
will,
you
know
they'd
make
a
recommendation.
This
is
the
first
violation.
The
city
would
like
to
pursue
a
violation
of
250
and
the
judge
can
say
no
I'm
going
to
do
a
hundred.
Actually,
my
first
leaf
blower
case
in
the
town
of
Bedford,
their
maximum
was
250,
and
so
we
pursued
maximum
fine.
L
It
was
the
first
first
violation
for
using
the
leaf
blower
in
violation
of
the
new
law.
They
received
their
warning
and
we
wanted
to
send
a
message
that
this
is
a
very
serious
law
for
the
town.
The
judge
said:
no
we're
not
going
to
do
that
and
set
it
at
50..
So
you
know
the
judge
has
that
discretion
at.
I
D
L
L
L
L
J
L
I
K
C
A
A
My
impression,
looking
at
at
least
online
at
quick
search
is
I.
I
didn't
see
a
substantial
difference.
It
seemed
to
vary,
but
the
range
of
noise
on
electric
and
the
range
of
noise
on
gas
powered
overlapped
and
that
there
were
less
noisy
gas
powered
that
were
quieter
than
some
noisier
electric.
So
it
would
just
seem
to
me
that
we
should
just
be
consistent.
K
E
E
A
So
I
I
mean
I
think
we
have
their
view
right.
So,
unless
they're
clarifying
that
view,
I
saw
that
view,
but
I
also
saw
you
know
online
at
my
own
research
and
I
I
read
that
what
they
said-
and
it
was
a
general
statement
as
opposed
to
a
specific
that
said.
In
all
cases,
an
electric
is
always
quieter
than
a
gas
I
didn't
see
that
anywhere
right
I
would
be
happy
to
differentiate.
A
I
L
A
warning
first,
when
it
comes
to
the
the
penalty,
we
could
stick
with
the
penalty
in
the
noise
ordinance
currently,
which
is
not
to
exceed
500
and
then
the
seasonal
limit.
Does
the
board
have
an
idea
of
when
they'd
like
to
see
that
seasonal
limit
you
know,
may
for
seasonal
limit?
Being,
you
know
no
leaf
blowers
from
May
1st
to
September
30th
or
you
could
do
June
to
October.
J
A
K
B
L
J
L
It
so
yeah,
you
know
we
could
write
it
both
ways,
so
that
for
people
who
find
it
easier
to
read
it
in
one
way,
but
maybe
they'll
pick
up
on
it
that
you
know
we
could
we'll
lay
we'll
lay
it
out.
You
know
it'll
just
be
a
draft
initially
and
we
can
go
from
there
and
then
my
final
question,
so
we
can
get
to
his
birthday
desserts
exemptions.
L
Is
the
city
interested
in
adding
exemption?
I
would
always
recommend
adding
one
for
storms
we're
at
you
know
for
a
seven
day
period
after
a
big
storm.
You
allow
the
use
of
leaf
blowers
to
ex
to
speed
up
the
cleanup
process.
That
is
a
very
popular
one.
In
almost
every
municipality,
that's
considered
this
type
of
legislation,
I
think
it
has
worked
well
and
then
there's
other
exemptions.
On
top
of
that
for
large
properties,
Municipal
operations,
school
districts,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
some
other
ones.
Golf
courses.
J
J
J
Block
out
sound
and
to
wear
face
coverings
and
eye
coverings
so
that
the
material
is
not
flying
in
their
face
because
it
doesn't
I,
don't
want
to
exempt
certain
workers
from
I.
Don't
want
to
permit
certain
workers
to
be
in
danger,
but
I
also
understand
the
challenge
of
clearing
organic
debris
from
a
three
acre
property.
I
A
J
D
Cac
recommended
one
acre
and
larger
and
recommended
storm
event.
Exemptions
as
well.
I
I
also
do
want
to
note.
The
CAC
did
call
out
that
gas
powered
was
much
louder
than
battery
and
they
did
not
recommend
the
battery
ban
that
you
would
now
seem
to
be
moving
towards,
so
I
would
just
recommend.
Maybe
you
all
read
the
CAC
memo
one
more
time
just
to
have
that
fresh
in
your
mind,
before
we
make
final
decisions
on
this
cause.
We've
we've
deviated
from
that.
A
J
D
D
Yeah
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
you
would
I
think
it's
by
the
parcel
so
and
on
Main
Street,
for
instance,
like
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
alternatives
for
you're,
not
running
a
plug
from
your
house
and
doing
your
driveway
there
you're
going
down
a
linear
area.
Similarly,
when
we're
out
doing
milling
and
Paving-
and
they
come
back
after
the
first
milling
and
they're
they're
getting
the
debris
out,
so
we
can
put
a
tack
coat
down
that
that
wouldn't
be
covered
either
by
the
one
acre.
L
Yeah,
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
too.
Look
at
that
I,
you
know.
I
know
this
chart
was
just
circulated
earlier
today.
So
take
a
look
at
you
know
these
other
municipalities
they're
all
on
e-codes
and
if
you
anyone
has
heard
of
anyone,
any
municipalities
and
Duchess.
Let
me
know
because
I
have
not
come
across
any
that.
G
I
I
hope
this
isn't
deviating
too
far,
but
I
think
this
is
it
within
the
realm.
If
we
are
looking
at
allowing
battery
pack
but
not
allowing
like
gas
poweredly
blowers
would
be.
We
as
a
city,
consider
a
buyback
program.
I
know
that
wouldn't
necessarily
be
in
the
law.
That'd
be
something
else
that
would
have
to
be
done,
but
I
saw
that
in
Louisburg
New
York
a
year
or
two
ago,
their
sustainability
committee
got
a
nicer
to
clean
energy.
G
L
It's
definitely
an
option
for
the
city
council,
but
that'll
be
a
policy
decision
in
your
hands.
It
is
an
option.
I
would
not
write
it
into
the
the
law.
Again,
it
would
come.
You
know
what
financing
is
available
to
do
that
type
of
program
like
in
lewisboro.
They
got
the
nicer
to
Grant,
but
you
know
that's
a
discussion
that
this
the
city
council
should
should
continue.
Okay
and
I
know
the
CAC
did
make
that
recommendation
as
well
in
their
memo.
L
I
A
J
I
H
H
I
have
some
I
have
I,
have
a
point
of
view
on
that
that
I'll
share,
but
I
want
to
hear
the
rest
of
the
council's
opinion,
so
I
think,
probably
for
today,
in
and
in
the
packet
for
those
who
are
following
along
at
home
or
in
the
audience,
and
for
the
council
as
well
as
was
emailed
to
you,
we
can
focus
on
those
where
the
type
is
Council
topic
and
then
our
Council
status
I
put
is
TBD.
Basically
either
I
have
questions
about
it,
I'm,
not
sure
of
dates.
H
We
we
had
a
conversation
last
last
week
a
little
bit
about.
We
can't
do
everything
we
want,
and
so
there
are
stuff
that
we've
already
committed
to
even
as
Council
topics
or
at
least
said
publicly.
We
have
versus
stuff
that
doesn't
really
have
a
date
or
a
Time
associated
with
it.
Yet
so
I
would
suggest
we
focus
there
and
to
see
how
far
we
get
knowing
that
we
might
not
get
through
it
all
tonight
with
birthday
celebrations.
H
B
I
can
start
by
picking
up
the
conversation
from
previously
that
moving
forward
in
some
Fashion
on
the
open
space
plan
is
a
priority
for
me
from
what
I
understand
there
may
be
some
next
steps
that
are
short
of
the
full
grant.
That
might
be
an
option,
but
do
you
want
to
explicitly
name
it
as
a
priority
under
climate
and
environmental
priorities
or
climate
goals?
I'm
not
actually
sure
what
the
difference
between
those
two
are.
H
Yeah
I
will
say
there
are
things
on
here,
for
example,
there's
lots
of
stuff
that
falls
under
housing.
We
seem
to
have
lots
of
different
ideas,
and
what
I
would
propose
in
terms
of
our
priority
is
just
that.
We,
as
a
council
seem
to
have
a
lot
of
energy
around
that
topic
and
therefore
we
think
about
setting
a
time
that
we
talk
about
that.
H
I'm
not
I'm,
not
thinking
we
should
actually
schedule
out
literally
like
this.
Workshop
will
be
this
and
be
that
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
get
to
that
eventually.
But
tonight
it's
more
safe,
for
example,
of
housing
like
I
put.
We
should
talk
about
that
in
the
second
quarter.
You
know,
maybe
it
can
fit
into
March,
but
it
depends
when
we're
talking
about
Main,
Street
access
recommendations
and
police
reform.
If
we're
doing
that
in
in
March,
then
maybe
we
want
to
wait
for
housing
until
we
get
into
that
conversation
first.
H
I
J
Yeah
I've
I've
been
in
meetings
like
these
and
they
can
go
a
really
long
time.
I
have
two
thoughts
on
prioritization
one.
Sometimes
prioritization
is
handed
to
us
right
like
something
is
confined
by
time
and
then
and
then
sometimes
prioritization.
We
might.
There
might
not
be
any
kind
of
guide
guide
for
when
it
should
should
happen,
but
there
may
be
things
outside
of
our
control
as
we're
preparing
for
the
conversation
so
I
do.
I
am
open
to.
J
You
know
like
allowing
a
little
flexibility
here
for
the
administration
to
line
things
up
in
the
order.
That
is
possible
right,
because
it's
about
possibilities,
sometimes
so
but
I
would
say
for
our
conversation
and
to
keep
it
short.
So
Lee
can
go,
have
his
tapioca
that
we
maybe
talk
about.
We
try
to
identify
the
things
that
are
bound
by
time
in
some
way
or
where
there's
some
kind
of
time.
Constriction
restriction.