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From YouTube: Beacon Council Workshop 9-12-22
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September 12, 2022
Council Workshop Agenda
1. Discussion of Housing with The Community Preservation Corporation
2. Draft Local Law Concerning Accessory Apartments
3. Waterbody and Wetland Protections
4. Resolution in Support of NYS Assembly Bill A7389C / NYS State S6486
5. Dutchess County Housing Trust Fund
6. City-Wide Speed Limit Discussion
B
B
A
Yeah,
so
we
have
doug
olcott
on
line
with
us
and
thank
you
doug
for
joining
us
tonight.
The
community
preservation
corporation
is
a
private,
not-for-profit
mortgage
lender
and
investor
specializing
in
financing,
low
income
and
moderate
income.
Housing
they've
worked
with
various
levels
of
government
to
preserve
and
develop,
affordable
housing
focused
on
new
york,
but
they
also
do
work
in
other
states
and
they
have
in
their
46-year
history.
They
have
rehabilitated
or
constructed
or
helped
to
fund
that
more
than
182
000,
affordable
housing
units
doug
is
somebody.
A
A
C
C
That
counties
are
eligible
to
apply
for
and
receive,
and
I
actually
met
ann
a
couple
years
earlier
than
that,
because
I
was
the
director
of
community
development
for
orange
county
and
we
were
doing
some
stuff
in
newberg
on
our
side
of
the
river
and
she
was
doing
stuff
in
beacon
on
her
side
of
the
river.
And
then,
when
I
started
working
for
cpc,
we
we
decided
to
just
continue
to
work
together
on
and
we
just
started
march
down
main
street.
C
You
know
ron
sowers
took
under
his
wing
and
most
of
those
were
were
mixed
use
and
mixed
income
projects,
because
we
didn't
really
want
to
do
all
affordable
units
on
main
street,
so
most
of
them
had
storefronts,
and
then
you
know,
maybe
you
know,
half
half
of
the
units
would
be
market
rate
and
the
other
half
the
the
units
above
the
stores
would
be
income
restricted
to
50
and
60
percent
of
the
area,
immediate
income
and
that's
kind
of
how
the
beacon
renaissance
started.
Of
course,
when.
C
Quite
a
bit
too,
but
it
started.
In
fact
I
remember
when
ron
was
had
renovated
his
first
building-
and
I
don't
know
you
guys
remember
when,
when
they
filmed
that
paul
newman
movie
nobody's
fool,
they
had
to
actually
doctor
up
a
couple
of
buildings
that
ron
and
ronnie
beth
had
renovated
because
they
looked
too
nice
and
they
wanted
him
to
run
down
the
movie,
but
anyway
so
fast
forward.
You
know
whatever
it
is
28
years
later,
you
know
we're
still
working
in
beacon.
C
You
know
the
fair
housing
lawsuit
and
then
most
of
the
communities
in
in
westchester
county,
where
we
do
a
lot
of
stuff.
They
adopted,
like
a
standard
10,
affordable,
set
aside
80
percent
of
the
intermediate
income
that
was
based
on
kind
of
like
the
hud
approved
zoning
law,
and
so
we've
done
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
know
and
that
that
has
sort
of
spread
to
other
municipalities.
Further
up
the
hudson.
C
C
Whenever
interest
rate
goes
up.
That
means
you
can
borrow
less
money
because
we
we
loan
against
the
cash
flow
of
the
building
and
we
have
a
debt
service
coverage
requirement.
So
if
it
costs
you,
you
know
more
on
a
monthly
basis
to
borrow
the
same
loan
amount.
You
know,
then,
that
create,
if
that's
going,
to
create
a
cash
flow
issue
for
the
building,
then
we
have
to
lower
the
loan
amount
that
we
commit,
which
means
the
borrowers
have
to
put
more
in
equity.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
like
a
right
or
wrong
answer
to
like
whether
you
should
include
a
pilot
incentive.
I
I
certainly
think
if
you
go,
you
know
above
10,
affordable
units,
it's
something
you
know
we
do.
We
do
do
as
chris
mentioned.
I
also
do
a
lot
of
lending
in
new
jersey
and
they
they
have
kind
of
like
a
standard
there.
C
They,
where
they
have
a
standard
pilot
that
they
offer
to
developers
that
are
going
to
do
20,
affordable
and
those
are
typically
those
those
20
that
20
is
typically
abandoned,
different
income
eligibility
anywhere
from
50
of
the
area
meeting
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
a
deal
right
now
in
near
princeton,
new
jersey
in
lawrence
lawrence,
township
and
they're,
proposing,
I
think
it's
a
44
unit,
new
construction,
they're,
proposing
20,
affordable
and
some
of
the
units
are
at
50
area,
median
income.
Some
are
at
60
and
others
are
at
80.
C
C
So,
if
you
you
know-
and
of
course,
there's
a
law
in
the
books
called
581a,
which
means
that
local
assessors
have
to
take
into
account
the
lower
net
income
that
an
affordable
housing
project
would
receive
when
when
doing
their
assessment
and
a
lot
of
times
that
can
be
codified
into
into
a
pile
of
agreements.
So
it's
kind
of
more
cut
and
dried
rather
than
you
know
an
assessor
looking
at
you
know
cash
flow
statements
every
year
trying
to
determine
what
what
the
assessment
is.
It's
sort
of
agreed
on.
C
C
But
if
you
do
look
at
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
provide
what
a
project
needs
to
make
it
viable
and
you're,
not
really
giving
away
the
store
because
you're
getting
something
back
from
the
community
you're
getting
affordable
units,
for
you
know,
teachers
and
firemen
and
policemen
and
everyday
workers
you
know
and
and
and
the
area
immediate
income
is
also
often
misunderstood,
because
it's
you
know,
people
think
that
you
know
it's
going
to
be
like
some
kind
of
housing
authority
project
or
or
you
know
it's
really.
You
know
it's
it's.
C
C
C
C
C
Yeah,
I
mean
we've
done
a
lot.
You
know
one
of
the
cities
that
has
really
done
a
lot
with
the
inclusionary
zombie
and
they've
built
relatively
large.
You
know
complexes,
they
re-zoned
the
whole
area
around
the
train
station
in
new
rochelle,
where
they
had
like
a
lot
of
underutilized
sort
of
industrial
property
that
they
wanted
to
see.
Mixed-Use
development
on
you
know
grounds
ground,
floor,
storefronts
and
mid-rise
apartment
buildings
above
that,
and
so
what
what
they
did
was
they
they
offered
ida
benefits
to.
Anyone
that
wanted
to
an
idea.
A
C
Yeah,
so
basically
they
had
it
new
rochelle
had
an
industrial
development
agency
and
anyone
who
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
build
an
inclusionary
zoning
project.
They
would
offer
them
ida
benefits,
which
included.
Sometimes
it
included
pilots
other
times
it
just
included.
You
know
kind
of
a
reason,
a
reasonable
assessment.
C
E
C
E
C
B
G
G
B
A
C
G
D
C
C
It
tends
to
be
a
little
more
expensive
to
build
down
there
more
union
activity,
so
it
really
depends
on
the
municipality,
it's
hard
to
really
say
like
well.
Does
it
work
with
fifty
thousand
dollars
as
a
that
may
work
for
beacon,
but
if
you're,
if
you're
going
to
do
that
as
a
as
a
is,
what
your
target
is,
then
that
is
going
to
be
probably
pretty
low.
I
forget
what
median
income
beacon
now
is
in
dutchess
county.
You
guys
maybe
know
off.
B
C
Be
like
that
would
be
roughly
a
little
bit
shy
of
60
ami.
So
that
could
be
a
good
target
number
in
the
beacon.
But
I
think
you
have
to
weigh
whether
you
would
offer
and
I'm
not
even
saying
you
would
have
to
even
offer
a
pilot
agreement
to
specific
developers
on
that.
But
I
think
you
should
consider
how
you
assess
the
property
and
then
it's
done
under
the
581a
legislation,
which
really
takes
into
account
a
lower
assessment
for
reduced
income
on
a
property.
D
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D
C
G
D
E
C
D
C
C
H
C
C
Essentially,
a
structured
as
a
you
know:
one
percent
interest-only
loan
for,
for
you
know
up
to
30
years
or
whatever,
and
then
I
think
they
would
typically
have
a
minimum
affordability
of
20..
Some
of
those
may
have
been
30,
I
don't
know,
you'd
have
to
ask
anne
sale
or
she
she's
the
one
that
structured,
the
you
know,
the
the
affordability
requirements
on
those-
and
I
just
I
don't
remember-
and
some
of
the
different
deals
may
have
been
differently
depending
on
the
level
of
subsidy
that
you
provide.
H
I
will
I
I
mean,
I
think
that
that
when
I
review
the
housing
trust
fund,
the
dutchess
county,
housing
trust
fund
eligibility
requirements
that,
if
there
are
any
that
are
not
yet
expired,
that
could
be
a
sweet
spot
for
beacon
to
find
access
to
that
housing
trust
fund
money.
What
council,
member
dan
was
describing
is
going
to
be
a
barrier
for
us
that
50
000
and
below,
and
I
think
george
was
echoing
that
as
well
because
of
the
just
the
cost
of
things
around
here.
D
H
I
you
know
in
looking
at
the
housing
trust
fund
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
later,
but
in
looking
at
their
their
different
programs
and
their
eligibility
requirements
for
each
of
those
programs.
I'm-
and
I
think
all
of
us
are
just
going
to
be
looking
for
is-
is
there
a
spot
that
we
can
avail
ourselves
of
any
of
those
funds.
A
And
if
I
could
just
clarify
the
report
has
a
gap
in
rentals
at
two
levels
and
it's
not
fifty
thousand.
The
fifty
thousand
is
for
home
ownership,
so
the
county
identified
that
there's
a
deficit
of
rental
units
affordable
to
households
earning
less
than
thirty
five
000,
and
they
also
identified
a
deficit
of
rental
units
matched
to
households
with
incomes
at
or
above
75
000..
A
So
they
found
adequate
they're
saying
there
are
not
enough
units
that
are
expensive
enough
to
take
up
30
percent
of
the
monthly
income
of
these
high
income,
renter
households
and
what
that
ends
up
doing
is,
instead
of
them
renting
an
apartment.
That's
at
their
income
level,
then
they're
shopping
for
less
expensive
apartments,
basically
constraining
that
part
of
the
market.
So
that's
on
page
21
of
the
housing
needs
assessment.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
doug.
So
you
knew
the
numbers
they're
below
35
and
above
75
is
where
we're
missing
a
lot
of
units.
E
So
I
think,
as
a
council,
though,
I
was
just
doing
a
little
bit
of
research
and
I
think
that
we
also
need
to
make
emphasis
on
housing
for
people
who
make
less
than
56
000,
and
I
can
get
into
that
in
a
second.
But
I
was
just
cross
referencing.
What
is
available
through
every
all
the
resources
that
any
average
joe
would
look
through.
Apartments.Com
zillow
apartment
guide,
all
the
real
estate
agents
in
the
city,
the
craigslist.
E
I've
never
said
that
already,
but
there
are
approximately
from
what
I
counted
about
40
units
available
within
the
city
of
beacon
limits
and
when
chris
gave
us
the
total
number
of
registered
rental
units
in
the
city
beacon
earlier
this
year
from
the
building
department.
That
was,
that
number
was
2888
and
with
the
data
from
the
county,
the
housing
needs
assessment
reports
did
show
a
large
deficit
and
affordability
for
those
who
make
more
than
75
000.
E
But
it
also
says
on
the
next
very
next
page
that
a
rent-burdened
household
is
one
that's
spending
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income
on
rent
and
just
going
through
the
available
properties
of
what
is
in
beacon.
Now
the
limited
available
properties
to
rent
the
cheapest
one
at
first
glance
was
983
which
actually
wasn't
available,
and
then
the
next
one
was
1054,
which
was
also
in
tompkins
terrace.
So
you
that
was
capped
with
a
certain
income
eligibility.
E
H
D
H
D
A
L
This
is
not
perfect
math,
but
as
as
close
as
you
could
get
to
when
you
had
funded
it.
If
we
had
had
that,
I
think
I
think
that
kind
of
information
would
be
useful
because
to
answer
what
I
think
dan
was
asking
was:
why
do
we
want
to
do
this?
You
know
to
build
off
what
justice
said
if
this
gets
us
the
kind
of
units
that
do
meet
the
need
in
beacon
for
those
who
can't
afford
to
pay
more.
L
That
to
me
is
a
reason
to
do
it
and
then
once
we
know
oh,
if
the
numbers
don't
work,
then
what
are
our
options?
What
could
we
offer
in
tax
incentives?
I
don't
see
a
reason
currently
to
change
what
we
have
on
the
book.
I
don't
see
a
dearth
of
developers
able
to
make
that
currently
financially
feasible.
I
appreciate
interest
rates
have
only
recently
changed,
so
maybe
that
is
also
about
to
change,
but
I
think
if
we
could
lower
the
ami
or
potentially
increase
or
in
combination
increase
the
percentage
of
inclusionary
zoning.
L
C
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C
You
know,
once
you
get
above
20
affordable,
you
kind
of
need
something
beyond
the
pilot,
then
you're,
probably
looking
at
you
know
a
tax
credit
type
project
like
what
ken
carney
built
on
west
end
loss.
You
know
that
that
had
that's
100,
affordable
because
well,
the
first
phase
was
second
phase
was
market,
but
the
first
75
units
that
he
built
there
are
all
affordable
at
60
a.m
or
less,
but
he
got
tax
credits
from
the
state.
C
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B
E
B
A
G
A
G
C
H
C
C
Yeah
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
state
programs
that
provide
incentives
for
doing
special
needs,
housing
and
those
are
typically
combined
well,
not
always,
but
on
larger
projects.
They're
typically
combined
with
with
the
state
tax
credit
program
and
then
the
office
of
mental
health
or
the
office
of
persons
with
developmental
disabilities.
C
C
They
also
have
done.
They
have
done
market
rate.
You
know
in
poughkeepsie,
we've
done
a
couple
of
renovations
of
vacant
buildings
where
they
have
gotten
what
they
call
ashy
funds
which
stands
for
empire,
state,
supportive
housing
initiative,
and
they
have
worked
with
private
developers
to
renovate
buildings.
C
We
did
one
on
maple
street
in
in
poughkeepsie.
It
was
20
apartments
and
hudson
river
housing,
master,
leased,
15
of
the
20
apartments
for
their
clients,
and
they
were
the
rents,
were
then
subsidized
through
the
esche
program
and
they
put
in
no
people
that
had
developmental
disabilities
and
such
you
know
their
clients,
and
this
stuff
is
kind
of
a
successful
way
to
use
funds.
So
there
is
the
way
there
are
ways.
If
you
want
to
you
know,
that's
a
big
need
out
there.
C
C
C
However,
if
it
was
a
long-term
owner
and
you
didn't
have
those
acquisition
costs
and
he
wanted
to
just
upgrade
his
building
and
maintain
you
know
the
affordable
rents
that
he
had
in
place,
then
that
might
work.
So
it
really
depends
on
the
situation.
It's
it's
you're
right,
it's
more
difficult
in
areas
like
a
beacon
that
have
become
gentrified
and
where
building
prices
and
land
prices
have
gone
up
so
much.
D
M
Was
taking
this
brain
for
a
while,
so
hoping
to
tease
out
that
last
idea
a
little
bit
more?
If
that's
okay,
this
possibility,
if
I
understood
what
you
were
saying
correctly,
that
a
long-term
owner
who
might
want
to
upgrade
the
building
but
maintain
affordable
rates
is
the
kind
of
person
that
you
would
be
able
to
loan
to.
C
C
We
we
have
done
a
lot
less
in
beacon
than
we
did
back,
then
that
that
that
mainly
speaks
to
the
price
of
buying
real
estate
and
people.
You
know
after
dia
after
dia
became
a
reality.
Then
you
know
a
lot
of
people
started
coming
up
from
new
york,
city
and
artists,
and
such
and
people
were
paying
paying
too
much
for
buildings.
Really
they
were
they
kind
of
overheated
the
market,
and
then
that
prevented
us
from
doing
more
renovations,
because
you
know
there's
only
so
much
that
you
can
afford
to
finance
in
the
property.
M
C
J
C
Oh,
I
thought
you
meant
the
size,
I'm
sorry,
but
advise
you
this
story.
No,
I
mean
anything.
We
you
know,
I
mean
generally,
we
do
five
family
enough,
but
because
that's
kind
of
like
what
the
multi-family
market
is
defined
as
five
family
enough,
because
you
know
if
you're
one
to
four.
Sometimes
you
have
an
owner-occupied
unit.
C
J
C
N
C
M
B
C
E
C
B
Okay,
I
said
we
asked
them
to
come
in,
just
because
I
thought
he'd
be
able
to
give
us
just
sort
of
a
way
to
start
thinking
about
some
of
these
problems.
All
right.
Next
one
is
to
get
to
accessory
apartments,
and
we
had
the
public
hearing.
We
left
it
open.
We
said
we
might
want
to
talk
about
some
things,
so
I
just
want
to
open
that
up.
John,
are
you
out
there
for
questions?
John
clark?
B
A
B
L
I
thought
the
comments
from
the
county
were
kind
of
interesting
and
one
of
they
said
that.
Why
are
we
having
it's
no
more
than
50,
and
maybe
we're
limiting
that?
My
my
instinct
is
that
that
might
be
a
little
bit
out
of
keeping
with
character.
We
might
have
a
smaller
building,
but
we
don't
want
to
have
a
larger
adu
attached
to
that
or
have
that
be
as
of
right,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up
with
the
council
and
see
if
there
were
other
thoughts
or
opinions
about
that.
So
I'm
sorry
to
be
clear.
L
L
D
L
D
L
P
L
B
P
B
P
E
E
P
L
D
B
L
D
L
I
also
had
a
question
about
the
second
point
which
john
started
talking
about
the
1989,
which
is
about
the
accessory
buildings.
Is
there
a
reason
why
august
1st
1989
is?
Is
the
year
and
the
county
kind
of
asked
the
same
question
too?
I'm
not
sure
I,
the
county
suggestion
of
at
least
five
years
old,
I'm
not
sure
with
that,
but
I'm
wondering
if
later
than
1989
is.
Is
there.
A
L
L
B
L
D
B
L
L
The
percentage
of
the
principal
dwelling
50
of
the
principal
dwelling
size
rule
as
the
county
describes
it
in
their
comment
and
then
also
dropping
the
requirement
or
the
the
august
1st
1989
exception
and
instead
changing
it
to
a
pre-existing
structure
that
has
existed
for
a
pre-existing
accessory
structure
that
has
existed
for
at
least
five
years
old
five
years.
At
the
time
of
application.
B
I
I
B
G
G
I
think
that
I
don't
have
any
confidence
that
the
market
will
create
affordable
units
out
of
adu.
So
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
have
a
requirement
that
any
adu
that
comes
up
for
that
gets
registered
with
the
city
as
a
rental
that
it's
required
to
be
at
50,
000
or
less
or
another
metric
that
the
council
decides.
But
I
think
we
should
have
a
requirement
that
these
units
are
actually
going
to
be
affordable.
B
So
I
I
have
an
issue
with
a
100
affordability
requirement.
We
just
had
someone
saying
once
you
go
about
10
you've
got
to
do
some
kind
of
benefit.
This
is
a
100
affordability
requirement
which
look
at
looking
at
it.
From
the
other
perspective,
the
only
people
who
do
an
accessory
unit
are
people
who
do
it,
because
they
need
the
money.
Okay
and
the
concept
of
imposing
the
burden
on
someone
who
actually
needs
the
money
really
doesn't
make
any
sense
at
all
in
terms
of
equity
right.
G
B
Seems
worth
it
so
what
you're
basically
doing
is
someone
who's
of
limited
means
trying
to
own
a
house
can't
buy
in
beacon.
Remember,
there's
two
people,
we
two
groups
we
need
to
consider
one
is
someone
who's
on
the
margin
in
terms
of
buying,
and
one
is
someone
who's
on
the
margin
in
terms
of
writing
and
to
put
to
pick
the
one
group
against
the
other
is
really
really
inappropriate
in
terms
of
our
community.
E
I
guess
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
already
is
would
mean
that
somebody
already
does
have
the
funds,
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
remember
that
there
are
going
to
be
people
that
are
working
or
creating
accessorygoing
units
to
be
out
of
out
of,
I
guess
necessity
for
supplemental
income,
but
there
are
also
going
to
be
people
that
are
doing
that
because
they
they
want
to
earn
extra
income,
not
necessarily
out
of
need.
They
want
what.
G
G
Yeah,
I
don't
I
haven't
seen
any
anything.
That's
saying
that
adus
are
typically
built
by
people
who
are
just
getting
by
and
need
extra
income.
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't.
I
mean
if
that's
the
case,
I'd
love
to
see
that
data.
But
I
don't
I
mean
there's
people
who
build
an
adu
because
they
want
their
to
move
their
in-laws
in
or
you
know
their
their
child
is
coming
back
from
college
and
they
want
them
to
have
a
place
to
live.
G
A
A
A
A
And
we
ran
the
numbers,
there's
only
29
of
these
units
in
the
city
right
now.
So,
like
you
know,
you
haven't
opened
any
floodgates
here.
This
is
on
the
margins,
but
it
can
help.
Somebody
like
when,
when
my
ex-wife
and
I
were
looking
to
buy
a
house,
we
were
looking
at
whether
or
not
it
had
an
adu
in
it
to
help
pay
the
taxes
you
know
like
when
you're
when
you're
making
not
a
lot
of
money
and
you
want
to
buy
a
place.
E
Recognize
that
adus
aren't
luxury
apartments
like
what
is
available
now
in
the
city
of
beacon,
but
at
the
same
time,
back
to
dan's
point
I
mean
with
the
limited
amount
of
affordable
options
within
vegan
or
just
with
the
limited
amount
of
renting
options
within
beacon.
There
isn't
really
anything
stopping
somebody
who
is
renting
out
an
edu
to
charge
market
prices.
A
A
A
B
E
B
Becomes
the
what's
the
term
that
you
used
wren
though
it's
naturally
affordable
right?
It's
the
one
thing
that
we
can
do
because
I
was
listening
about
whether
there
were
you
know,
places
in
beacon
where
the
you
know
you,
the
building
is
run
down.
It's
like
we're
kind
of
running
out
of
those.
This
is
sort
of
the
only
naturally
occurring
construction
that
we
can
do,
and
I
think
we
should
be
encouraging
it
when
you
put
a
price
limit
on
it,
you're
just
discouraging
it.
B
So
I
mean
unless
you're
you
know
taking
a
nimby
tack
and
you
don't
want
any.
I
don't
really
think
you
should
be
restricting
them.
They're,
going
to
naturally
restrict
themselves
right.
A
600
square
foot
unit
directly
adjacent
to
a
homeowner
is
not
going
to
rent
for
the
same
price
as
one
of
the
new
two
thousand
square
foot.
B
G
G
B
D
B
Not
afford
to
buy
a
house
in
california,
we
bought
a
seven
unit
apartment
house.
We
lived
in
one
we
rented
out
the
other
six
in
order
to
afford
the
mortgage.
We
always
chose
tenants
who
were
people
that
we
wanted
to
live
with
and
always
charge
less
and
had
long-term
tenants.
I
think
you
could
prove
that
any
day
of
the
week.
B
The
other
part
that
I
disagree
with
is
the
concept
that
fewer
square
footage
will
result
in
the
same
price,
doesn't
make
any
sense
at
all
right,
600
square
feet
versus
2000
brand
new.
If
you
find
me
an
apartment
at
2,
000
square
feet,
brand
new
and
another
one
at
600
restored
that
are
the
same
price.
I'll
buy
you
dinner.
Okay
doesn't
make
any
sense
dan
come
on.
G
B
B
A
A
I
A
Because
the
other
thing
we
talked
about
with
doug
is
just
the
dearth
of
if
you're,
if
you're
renting,
and
you
want
to
make
that
jump
to
owning.
How
do
you
do
it?
It's
really
hard
these
days
and
and
some
of
the
ways
people
did
it
traditionally,
like
lee's
family,
buying
a
multi-unit.
I
bought
a
condominium.
A
You
know
which
was
really
small.
That's
another
way,
some
of
some
of
people
who
buy
buy
a
condominium
or
a
townhouse,
but
we
only
have
a
limited
number
of
those.
If,
if
a
unit
is
a
two
family
or
has
an
adu,
you
can
rely
on
that
income
to
augment
your
income.
So
you
may
not
make
enough
money
to
support
that
house
absent
that,
but
if
you
know
you're
going
to
get
a
rent
every
month,
you
know
some
of
that
can
go
towards
paying
down
your
taxes
and
your
mortgage.
M
D
M
H
A
B
So
the
purpose
of
our
you
know
working
on
this
first
was
we.
We
incorporated
it
20
some
years
ago,
ahead
of
everybody
else.
We
haven't
had
a
ton
29
in
20
years,
but
the
idea
was
to
make
it
easier,
not
harder,
and
the
idea
was
to
you
know,
sort
of
encourage
a
little
more
than
one
a
year
and
maybe
get
two
a
year
or
maybe
three
year.
It's
not.
P
B
Part
of
the
solution,
but
you
know
to
make
it
harder
or
to
make
it
you
know
more
likely
not
to
happen,
really
doesn't
make
any
sense
if
we're
trying
to
make
it
easier
right.
So
I
I
don't
see
how
this
fits
in
at
all,
with
trying
to
make
them
easier
and
encouraging
them
and
trying
to
encourage
a
little
bit
more
on
the
housing
stock
at
the
lower
end.
E
Well,
I
mean
wait.
Can
I
just
backtrack
for
a
second?
Was
the
goal
to
create
more
housing
or
to
create
more
affordable
housing
in
beacon?
Because
I
mean
if
we're,
if
we're
only
gonna
pop
up
with
two
to
three
houses
or
adus
a
year
and
none
of
them
are
even
affordable,
then
does
this
do
anything
to
actually
address
the.
B
Issue:
okay,
you
keep
saying
the
same
thing
again
that
it's
not
going
to
be
affordable
compared
to
the
new
things
that
we're
building
every
unit
in
an
existing
home
at
thousand
square
feet
or
less
is
always
going
to
be
less
expensive
than
the
new
construction
that
is
going
up.
You
can't
afford,
without
subsidy,
to
have
a
brand
new
construction
at
two
or
three
hundred
thousand.
You
know
dollars
to
build
an
apartment
and
rent
it
out
at
you
know
a
fraction
of
of
what
it
it
needs
to
support
itself.
B
You
can
do
that
with
an
adu
right
and
you
know
you're
going
to
get
that
just
like
you
know.
If
I
build
if
we
build
a
hundred
400
square
foot
units,
but
they're
gonna
cost
they're
gonna
be
a
lot
less
than
building
a
hundred
two
thousand
square
foot
unit.
So
we
know
the
answer
you
can
say.
Well,
I
don't
have
in
front
of
me
it's
not
going
to
be
affordable.
It's
like
you
need
to
build
a
variety
of
units.
If
we
had
a
vacancy
rate
of
30
percent,
all
all
rents
would
drop
dramatically.
B
G
I
don't
know
how
that
plays
out
in
the
current
market,
and
you
know
I
don't.
I
don't
watch
the
market
other
than
what
the
zillow
emails
tell
me,
but
you
know
I
I
just
don't
see.
Even
if
we
were
to
you
know,
if
we
got
29
new
adus
in
the
next
year
or
two
and
more
than
half
of
them
went
to
rentals,
I
don't
see
how
that
affects
the
overall
supply
and
demand
situation.
A
A
A
B
B
You
know
thousands
of
units
I
used
to
say
I
thought
it
was
probably
a
million
in
the
new
york
metro
area.
I
think
the
number
might
be
closer
to
a
half:
a
million
we're
half
a
million
units
short,
which
is
why
rents
are
so
high.
Can
you
imagine
what
would
happen
if
we
were
half
a
million
units
available
and
long
rents
would
plummet
like
the
stone
and
that's
the
fundamental
here,
which
is
we
have
to
start
allowing
some
density
and
some
construction,
not
just
in
this
city
but
across
the
entire
metropolitan
area?
H
I
want
to
get
this
done
because
when
I
look
at
the
planning
board
having
to
go
through
these
things-
and
I
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
every
consultant
gets
paid-
so
it's
kind
of
a
hypothetical
but
that
you
know
it's-
those
meetings
are
expensive.
I
don't
know
how
much
they
cost,
but
there
are
lawyers
and
engineers,
and
I
just
don't
know
that
we
need
all
of
that
expertise
around.
H
P
P
They
they
were
between
12
and
69
percent,
so
there
are
substantial
gains
to
be
had
if
you
on
the
affordability
front.
If
you
allow
these
things
to
happen-
and
I
think
the
antiquated
89
law
just
needs
to
be
updated
so
that
it's
easier
to
do
and
so
therefore
more
people
would
do
it
and
we're
just
spinning
our
wheels.
If
we
keep
pushing
this
thing
around,
I
do
want.
P
I
L
L
Is
it
legally
possible
in
new
york
state
for
beacon
to
implement
a
renter's
tax
credit
for
small
landlords
like
if
you
had
a
unit,
and
you
chose
to
rent
to
someone
below
a
certain
ami,
you
would
get
a
credit
on
your
city
taxes.
Could
we
legally
do
that?
I'm
not
asking
do
we
want
to
in
the
bureaucracy
it
would
involve
I'm
just
asking
if
it's
a
possibility
under
new
york,
state
law.
O
I
understand
the
question,
I
believe
the
answer
is
no.
I
will
confirm
it,
but
I
believe
the
answer
is
no,
because
tax
credits
can
only
be
given
by
municipality
if
they
are
authorized
by
state
law,
and
I
do
not
believe
there
is
an
existing
state
law
that
would
authorize
that
type
of
a
rent
credit
to
be
given
by
municipality.
O
L
Yeah,
I
was
doing
some
research.
I
think
new
york
city
has
something
kind
of
related,
so
that
gives
the
tax
credit
to
the
renter
not
to
the
landlord.
But
it's
as
we
all
know,
there
are
lots
of
laws
in
new
york
state
that
are
just
for
new
york
city.
So
thank
you
nick.
I
would
appreciate
knowing
that
that's
an
option.
There
is.
E
D
P
L
B
B
P
O
O
D
B
O
Great
thank
you
mayor
and
chris.
So
at
the
council's
august,
15th
work
session
council
member,
danny
moore
player,
had
requested
an
item
on
green
infrastructure
to
be
discussed
by
the
council,
and
there
was
a
discussion
about
the
regulation
and
if
it
was
the
ability
to
provide
greater
protection
for
storm
water
management,
for
example,
wetland
protection,
zoning
setbacks
on
water
body,
drainage,
green
infrastructure,
a
discussion
of
stormwater
pollution
prevention
plans.
What
is
the
system
with
its
ms4
requirement?
O
O
Cove
such
as
wips
and
the
ms4,
and
also
during
the
planning
board's
review
of
subdivisions
or
site
plan,
and
so
we
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
to
bring
in
john
russo
and
jennifer
gray,
go
to
playing
board
meetings
to
give
you
an
overview
of
those
issues
and
how
they're
regulated
within
the
existing
code
and
at
the
playing
board
level.
So
that
would
then
perhaps
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
you
have
to
establish.
That
way.
Protection
is
already
there
or
you
may
want
to
provide
greater
protections
and
amend
the
existing
ball.
O
So
john
russo
is
a
new
york
license
engineer
who
works
firm
with
blank
and
tully
and
john
sperm
as
being
the
city
consulting
engineer
on
a
variety
of
projects,
not
just
the
planning
board
engineering
consultant,
but
also
on
many
of
the
major
infrastructure
and
contract
work
that
gets
done.
We've
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
john
for
over
10
or
15
years
and
john
attends
each
of
the
planning
board
meetings
and
provides
a
planning
board
with
the
engineering
expertise
when
cycling
and
subdivisions
are
examined,
to
take
a
look
at
the
drainage.
O
G
K
K
So
as
far
as
wetlands
and
watercourses
go,
your
current
city
code
regulates
them
in
a
couple
different
ways.
Probably
the
the
most
relevant
way
is
in
section
223-16,
you
have
a
provision
that
I'll
paraphrase
essentially
says
that
you
can't
alter
a
wetland
without
review
by
the
planning
board
and
there's
a
whole
list
of
things
that
the
planning
board
is
supposed
to
review
in
making
sure
that
the
alteration
to
the
wetland
is
appropriate
is
mitigated
and
it's
not
going
to
cause
any
detrimental
impact.
K
So
some
of
those
things
include
water
pollution,
reviewing
the
impact
on
aquatic
animal
and
plant
life,
temperature
change,
drainage
issues,
flooding,
runoff
erosion,
water
table
levels,
there's
a
whole
host
of
things
that
are
listed
in
the
hope
that
the
planning
board
is
charged
with
the
responsibility
of
reviewing,
and
this
is
a
list
that
was
at
one
point
developed
by
the
city
council
at
that
time.
As
being
issues
relevant
for
western
regulation,
there
are
a
couple
different
other
areas
in
your
code
where
wetlands
are
addressed,
one
is
in
the
fishkill
creek
development
district.
K
This
is
a
district
that
was
added
in
2010,
and
the
purpose
of
the
district
is
really
to
protect
the
fishkill
creek
and
regulate
development,
so
that's
compatible
with
its
location,
adjacent
to
the
creek.
The
creek
obviously,
is
a
watercourse.
So
that's
big.
That
is
one
of
the
environmental
features
that
is
regulated
by
your
code
and
there
are
two
what
I
think
are
the
most
critical
provisions
in
the
fishville
creek
development
district,
and
that
is
there's
a
vegetative
buffer.
K
There
is
a
density
reduction,
so
you
are,
when
figuring
out
your
maximum
density
for
a
property
of
three
acres
or
more
in
the
fiscal
creek
development
district,
you're
supposed
to
subtract
out
a
lot
area
that
contains
a
certain
amount
of
steep
slopes,
wetlands
and
other
environmentally
sensitive
areas.
So
that's
another
way
that
you're
protecting
wetlands
is
you're
you're,
reducing
density
on
any
property
that
that
contains
wetlands.
K
K
K
The
applicant
originally
proposed
to
mitigate
that
disturbance
with
off-site
mitigation,
so
enhancing
or
creating
a
wetland
somewhere
other
than
on
the
site
where
the
wetland
is
being
disturbed
and
the
planning
board
said
that
that
doesn't
work
for
us.
No,
we
want
you
to
mitigate
here
on
site
where
you're
creating
the
disturbance
and
they
required
a
one-to-one
mitigation.
K
So
essentially
there's
no
net
loss
of
wetland
as
a
result
of
the
mitigation
proposal
that
was
put
forward
and
because
of
that,
because
they
they
really
held
their
ground
and
required
the
one-to-one
mitigation
on
site.
The
developer
actually
had
to
reduce
the
density
for
the
project,
so
you
ended
up
with
a
less
dense
project,
less
units
and
a
better
protection
of
the
wetlands.
So
I
think
they
did
a
great
job
with
utilizing.
The
provision
that
you
currently
have
in
your
zoning
code,
the
223-16.
K
F
Good
evening,
everybody
so
with
regards
to
stormwater
epa,
developed
regulations
and
passed
them
down
to
all
the
states
and,
of
course,
the
state
passed
it
on
to
all
the
municipalities
around
2007,
the
city
adopted
stormwater
laws
more
or
less
for
the
ms4.
They
were
required
by
the
state
to
adopt
laws
to
look
at
stormwater,
how
it's
being
handled
from
a
site
more
or
less
quality
quantity,
to
prevent
the
runoff
of
pollutants
into
existing
water
forces
along
the
way
and
to
help
protect
against
flooding
from
downstream.
F
Illicit
discharge
is
with
regards
to
glutens
that
you
would
find
running
in
storm
drains,
such
as
somebody
pulling
up
over
a
catch
basin
and
changing
their
oil
could
be
any
other
pollutants
running
out
into
the
watercourse
as
part
of
the
ms4
requirements.
There
are
six
minimum
measures
that
have
to
be
met
on
an
annual
basis,
one
being
public
education
and
outreach,
and
that
can
be
shared
by
other
communities.
F
F
F
Third
minimum
measure
is
illicit
discharge,
detection,
elimination
after
hand
it
through
the
highway
department.
They
go
up
every
year
and
check
every
outflow
from
your
stormwater
system,
and
they
have
to
document
it
and
photograph
during
dry
weather
seasons
or
periods
and
investigate
whether
there
is
anything
that
looks
irregular,
whether
it
be
an
oil
sheen
or
anything
else
that
they
may
see
coming
out
of
the
pipes.
If
they
do
find
it,
they
have
to
trace
it
backwards
and
find
out
where
it's
coming
from
number
four.
F
Number
five
is
post
construction,
stormwater
management?
How
are
you
handling
the
storm
water?
That's
being
developed
from
the
site
after
it's
developed,
so
you
have
infiltration
systems
bioretention
systems,
rain
gardens
could
be
green
roofs,
storm
water
ponds.
So
there's
a
number
of
methods
that
dec
allows
for
in
their
design
manual.
They
actually
have
a
design
manual
that
was
published
in
2015
as
the
latest
manual
stormwater
design
manual,
and
they
outline
what
they
will
allow
to
be
used.
F
The
sixth
measure
is
stormwater
management
for
municipal
operations,
so
more
or
less
they're,
looking
at
all
municipalities
and
having
them
look
at
their
facilities,
such
as
the
highway
garage
or
any
other
facilities,
they
have.
How
are
they
managing
those
facilities?
Not
only
storm
water
but
washing
of
vehicles,
any
chemicals
that
they
may
have
on
site?
F
As
far
as
development
of
projects
in
the
city's
code,
anything
over
an
acre
in
size
needs
to
have
a
stormwater
pollution
prevention
plan
prepared
or
I
would
call
it
a
swift-
is
what
it's
typically
called,
and
in
there
they
have
to
develop
their
flows
for
the
project.
So
they
have
to
take
a
look
at
the
site
and
look
at
different
rainstorm
events.
Typically,
a
1
to
10
and
100
year.
Storm
event.
A
And
and
if
I
could
just
a
quick
clarification,
because
I
know
when
we
discussed
this
at
one
point-
I
just
wanted
to
make
clear
that
we
have
a
separate
stormwater
system
than
our
sanitary
sewer
system.
So,
like
you'll,
read
about
the
city
of
newburgh
or
the
city
of
kingston
having
what's
called
a
combined
sewer
overflow.
So
if
they
get
a
certain
rate
of
precipitation
and
water
going
through
their
system,
it
actually
spills
raw
sewage
into
the
water
bodies
that
receive
that.
We
don't
have
that,
fortunately,
like
when
we
had
the
the
storm.
A
Last
year
in
in
september,
we
ran
18
million
gallons
of
water
through
us.
What
we
usually
process
is
three
million
gallons
a
day,
and
we
didn't
spill
anything
out
of
that.
So
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
money,
updating,
cleaning,
televising
the
the
storm
drain
system
and
we're
actually
going
to
be
bringing
you
some
additional
projects
to
fix
storm
drains,
because
we
have
we've
recently
found
a
couple
that
we
need
to
line
with
the
new
pipe.
F
P
K
And
there's
a
requirement
for
any
application
that
comes
before
the
planning
board.
At
least
the
the
applicant
is
required
to
provide
a
certification
that
they've
that
they've
looked
for
any
illicit
connections.
Any
connections
from
like
a
sump
pump
to
the
storm,
sewer
and
sorry
to
the
sanitary
sewer,
and
that
if
there
is
one
found
that
is
required
to
be
eliminated
during
the
planning
board
process,.
D
A
John
john,
could
you
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
what's
below
the
ground
in
some
areas,
because
we
had
talked
about
some
infiltration?
Perhaps
if
we
redevelop
veterans
place
as
a
green
park,
and
you
had
raised
some
concerns
about
that
being
clay
or
rock?
Can
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
that
might
not
be
something
we
can
do
everywhere
in
the
city.
F
F
Some
of
the
concerns
we've
had
or
in
certain
areas
in
the
city
we've
run
into
pure
clay.
So
in
those
areas
we
can't
infiltrate
the
water
into
the
ground,
we're
going
to
end
up
digging
a
pool,
putting
the
water
in
it's
not
going
to
infiltrate
into
the
ground.
Next
storm
comes
along
and
it
just
flows
over
and
fails.
G
F
The
clay
would
be
at
the
foot
of
slope.
Anything
that
occurred
along
the
fishkill
creek
has
either
been
an
infiltration,
bioretention
system
or
infiltration
system.
That's
been
installed
along
that
area.
The
parking
lot
off
of
churchill
street,
that's
a
bioretention
planted
by
retention
for
water
quality
and
it
actually
infiltrates
through
the
bottom
of
that
system.
F
Along
there
have
also
been
used
in
fire
retention
infiltration,
so
we
seem
to
have
good
soils
along
the
creek
line
and
down
along
the
river.
It's
mainly
in
the
heart
of
the
city
that
we
have
problems
or
then,
when
we
go
up
onto
the
mountain
we
have
rock.
You
know.
Dec
has
certain
requirements
that
you
have
to
have
certain
separation
requirements
between
the
bottom
of
the
system
and
the
rock,
and
if
you
can't
meet
that,
they
won't
allow
you
to
employ
certain
methods
to
be
used.
G
F
F
This
department
of
state
has
also
put
out
a
document
from
june
of
2019
that
had
some
different
provisions
for
model,
stormwater
management
and
erosion,
control
for
community
resiliency
and
some
other
items.
As
far
as
reducing
impervious
surfaces,
protection
of
steep
slopes
and
if
you'd
like
I
can
forward
that
document
to
you.
A
A
F
I'll
also
send
along
a
second
document,
it's
the
title:
town
of
wappinger
recommended
model
development
principles
for
conservation
of
natural
resources,
and
this
was
developed
in
june
of
2006
by
partnership
of
dec
the
center
for
watershed
protection
and
a
few
other
groups.
It
might
have
some
information
that
you
may
be
looking
for
also.
A
A
N
Increased
operation,
gas
powered
electrical
facilities
and
what
started
to
occur
a
lot
of
all
the
facilities
started
to
get
taken
over
by
investment
firms
that
would
run
them
exclusively
or
close
to
exclusively
to
generate
power
to
run
computer
forms
to
to
power,
bitcoin
operations
or
other
proof
of
or
cryptocurrencies.
And
I
I
can
explain
what
that
means.
N
If
people
want
to
know
a
little
bit
about
cryptic
currencies
and
the
difference
between
proof
of
work
and
and
how
does
it
work
and
why
they
need
so
much
power
and
some
issues
started
coming
up
versus
adirondacks
in
the
himalaya
area
in
previous
new
york.
So
it
was
a
case
where
an
old
pika
plant,
similar
to
our
dance
cameras,
that
was
only
operating
a
little
bit
during
peak
times.
N
It
was
taken
over
by
investment
firms
from
connecticut
and
started
running
like
at
about
half
or
three
quarters
to
its
capacity,
and
you
know
they
renewed
it.
It
was
cleaner
per
kilowatt
electricity
it
produced,
but
because
it
was
running
so
much
pollution
around
in
the
lakes
that
region
started
to
increase
and
dc
eventually
refused
to
grant
them
a
renewal
permit.
N
N
Some
people
in
her
administration
are
supported
by
cryptocurrency
operators,
as
was
reported
by
press,
and
so
we're
hoping
to
create
a
momentum
to
to
have
this
bill
signed,
and
I
can
give
you
a
couple
minute
overview
of
what
cryptocurrency
group
of
worker
families
do
and
why
they
need
electricity
and
council
members
and
others
still.
They
want
to
learn
a
little
more
about
it.
J
B
I
work
in
payments
so
yeah,
so
in
order
to
create
a
cryptocurrency
using
something
called
a
blockchain,
basically,
it
required
some
way
of
limiting
the
number
of
units
column
dollars.
Column,
bitcoins
call
them
whatever
you
want.
So
the
way
they
came
up
with
this
was
to
solve
problems
on
a
computer,
and
it
relates
to
how
the
settlement
occurs.
B
G
G
B
D
H
Yes,
thank
you.
So
earlier
this
year
I
presented
you
with
the
findings
of
the
dutchess
county.
Housing
needs
assessment
that
cbz
consultants
completed
and,
as
we
talked
about
earlier,
they
found
that
the
greatest
need
was
for
rental
housing
for
those
under
50
000
per
year.
But,
as
we
talked
about
earlier,
there
were
other
gaps
that
were
driving
up
competition
for
those
same
that
same
group
and
they
put
us
meaning
the
county
on
alert
to
catch
up.
H
So
that
said,
beacon's
fair
share
was
105
units
and
that's
about
five.
A
year
for
20
years
and
cbz's
need
assessment.
Needs
assessment
recommended
that
the
county
create
a
housing
trust
fund
and
fund
it
at
two
million
dollars
per
year,
and
they
made
some
broad
recommendations
about
how
to
how
to
what
the
eligibility
should
be
for
that
those
funds,
but
mainly
their
their
overlay,
was
let
it
be
flexible
and
so
current
day
the
the
legislature,
the
dutchess
county
legislature,
has
passed
a
resolution
to
establish
a
housing
trust
fund
and
they've
allocated
for
the
initial
funding.
H
12.3
million
and
that's
partially
funded
by
the
american
rescue
plan
act
funds.
The
the
purpose
of
the
housing
trust
fund
pot
is
to
is
for
affordable
housing
to
low
and
moderate
income
residents,
so
that's
less
than
or
equal
to
60
ami.
And
if
you
want
to
look
up
how
ami
works
you
can
you?
Can
google
fannie
mae's
ami
look
up
tool,
but
it
comes
to,
as
doug
said
earlier:
60
65
000..
H
So
there
are
three
programs:
they
are
distinct
with
their
eligibility
criteria
and
I
can
go
into
that
if
we
want
to
and
talk
about
the
eligibility
criteria
for
each
of
the
programs,
but
I'll
just
go
over
briefly.
They
are
the
housing
creation
and
preservation
program
and
the
infrastructure
and
pre-development
support
program
and
the
first
time
home
ownership
program.
H
So
our
mayor
and
city
administrator,
thank
you
for
expressing
an
interest
in
building
affordable
housing.
Since
our
first
conversation
about
this-
and
I
know
each
member
of
the
council
agrees,
it's
just
a
matter
of
how
so
that
brings
us
to
the
info
on
the
first
funding
round,
which
is
I'll.
Just
read
it
from
the
press
release
upon
the
creation
of
the
housing
trust
fund.
The
first
application
round
will
encompass
two
of
the
eligible
activities
from
within
the
housing
creation
and
preservation
program.
H
This
initial
application
round
is
expected
to
be
released
in
late
september,
so,
just
to
summarize,
I
appreciate
the
investment
that
the
county
is
making
and
I
think
their
criteria
for
each
of
the
programs
that
they're
that
they've
created
is
thought
through.
It's
clever,
clearly
experienced
advocates
with
ann
and
heather
in
that
office
they're
you
know
experienced
in
advocating
for
low
and
moderate
housing
creation,
and
they
listened
to
the
good
advice
and
from
the
consultants
and
looked
at
what
the
data
analysis
turned
up.
H
H
A
I
don't
know
how
there
have
they
managed
it.
I
mean
it
may
go
through
private
developers
or
the
mir,
and
I
spoke
to
the
planning
department
about
the
infrastructure
piece,
because
we
thought
infrastructure
typically
is
water
and
sewer,
and
we've
already
got
water
and
sewer
everywhere,
and
what
we
were
asking
them
about
is
what,
if
we
need
a
structure
parking
deck
to
allow
for
a
redevelopment
of
a
parking
lot,
for
instance,
and
I
think
they
were
considering
it.
I
I
don't
know
that
they've
made
any
decisions
on
it.
H
D
B
B
E
G
B
A
What
we're
talking
about
say,
say
you
were
to
build
a
building
on
a
lot
without,
and
you
had
surface
parking
all
around
it.
That
cost
has
a
variance
above
it
if
you're
going
to
build
over
that
lot.
So,
for
instance,
john
john
clark
has
a
proposal
to
build
apartments
or
or
mixed
use
over
the
churchill
lot,
and
it
would
actually
create
a
new
connection
from
that
building
on
directly
onto
main
street,
which
is
kind
of
cool,
there's
a
there's
a
premium
to
building
that
building.
D
A
Yeah,
it's
a
little
harder
than
sewer
and
water,
but
but
we're
not
talking
about
a
standalone
like
facility
that
would
have
been
in
phase
three.
And
I
I
don't
know
that
that's
necessary
we're
talking
about
on-site
subterranean
parking
kind
of
like
they
did
at
creek
drive
where
rodney
redeveloped
the
old
highway
garage.
All
the
parking
for
that's
under
the
building.
A
M
A
In
there,
our
involvement
would
be
if
they
choose
to
move
forward.
We
would
help
to
create
the
zoning
changes
that
would
allow
it,
I'm
not
sure
they
want
to
move
forward,
there's
a
kind
of
a
discussion
about
whether
they
want
the
increased
density
and
whether
it
would
fit
in
so
their
board
came
and
met
with
me
last
week,
and
I
said:
look
this
is
up
to
you.
A
We,
I
think
the
the
council
would
be
supportive
of
considering
a
zoning
change
if
it
would
allow
for
good
development
there
you
decide
what
good
development
is
and
so
they're
trying
to
figure
out
what's
an
appropriate
scale,
how
would
they
build
it?
They've
had
a
couple
partners
come
in
and
show
them
different
ways.
They
could,
you
know,
take
the
existing
parking
lot
and
build
over
it.
A
So
again
we
can
I'll
reach
out
to
ron,
and
let
him
know
about
the
this-
and
maybe
that's
a
catalyst
for
that,
because
it
could
bring
down
their
one
of
their
concerns
was
to
have
a
viable
project.
They
needed
a
certain
number
of
apartments
and
if
funding
could
be
allocated
through
this
program,
it
might
bring
that
point
down.
So
it's
not
quite
as
dense
and
therefore
maybe
more
palatable
to
people
on
their
board.
A
M
A
I
I
think
it
was
what
what
I
heard
is
they
felt
it
would
change
their
neighborhood
because
they
have
you
know
they
have
the
one
tower
at
forestal
heights,
but
then
they
have
kind
of
low
rise,
family
housing
and
they
felt
that
the
additional
density
could
change
the
flavor
of
that
and
it's
where
they're
looking
at
doing
it
is
up
against
another
neighborhood
on
eliza
street.
I
don't
think
they
really
have
much
place
to
expand
and
you
know
they.
A
They
started
the
conversation
because
they
wanted
us
to
think
about
giving
some
parkland
from
south
avenue
park
that
that's
very
difficult
because
it
takes
an
act
of
the
legislature,
basically
to
quote
unquote,
alienate
parkland
to
take
it
from
being
parkland
and
make
it
something
else.
The
other
thing
is
we're
not
making
any
more
park
land,
and
I
don't
want
to.
H
D
M
H
H
H
H
B
State
level
was
in
the
governor's
budget,
it
came
out,
but
I
bet
you
it's
going
to
come
back
right
and
it's
it
makes
sense
at
a
state
level.
But
it's
exactly
that
which
is
you
know
if
you,
if
you
do
this,
you'll
get
access
to
some
lower
cost
funding
or
some
grant,
but
here's
what
you
have
to
do
in
return.
D
H
H
H
Don't
think
there
are
too
many
unknown
variables.
I
think
a
roadmap
would
be
interesting
to
explore
and
I
think
that
your
questions
for
or
your
questions
for,
doug
molly
are
kind
of
going
to
be
illuminating,
because
the
council
will
look
at
those
numbers
and
you'll
see
in
real
terms
what
that
avenue
could
look
like,
and
we
could
look
at
every
single
one
of
these
eligibility
criteria
and
figure
out.
Do
we
have
something
here?
That's
eligible
and
again
I
emphasize
that
we're
not
limited
to
five
a
year.
L
It
sounds
like
it's.
The
third
phase
of
funding
will
be
the
first
time
home
ownership,
but
I
did
wonder
in
that.
What
did
chris's
point
earlier?
What
options
we
have
for
a
city
in
that,
particularly
if
you're
I'm
curious
to
know
more
about
the
the
quickness
of
that
one
of
the
challenges,
sometimes
with
private
landlords
taking
on
section
8,
is
that
it
does
require
additional
paperwork
and
so
they're
not
motivated
or
incentivized
to
to
take
on
those
tenants
if
they
have
enough
other
people
applying,
and
so
I'm
wondering
too
with
first
time
home
owners.
L
I
don't
know
what
housing
stock
we
have
that
is
for
sale.
That's
coming
on.
I
know
that
generally
housing
sales
have
slowed
down
because
of
the
increase
in
mortgages.
So
there
might,
I
don't
know
the
timing
of
when
they'll
be
available,
but
there
might
be
some
housing
stock
that
is
within
range
if
there
is
a
down
payment.
But
how
do
we
as
a
city,
then?
Can
we
use
this
funding
to
set
up
a
system
to
help
people
get
that
money
in
a
timely
manner?
L
So
the
seller's
like
I
would
sell
to
you,
but
I
can't
wait
six
months
for
this
thing
to
clear
or
whatever
the
timing
is
so
wanting
to
know
more
about
streamlining
it.
As
you
were
talking
about,
and
might
there
be
something
there
where
there
might
be
housing
coming
online,
that
we
could
take
advantage
of
that
and
move
people
out
of
rental
units
into
first-time
home
ownership.
L
A
H
Yeah
we're
not
the
center
of
this
problem
that
you
know,
but
on
you
know
this
the
same
argument:
we
do
bring
a
lot
to
the
table
in
terms
of
infrastructure
as
well,
so
I
think
that's
something
great
to
explore.
We
should
explore
everything
what
the
county
would
be
looking
for,
I
think,
is
bang
for
the
buck
in
beacon
and
that's
going
to
be
a
harder
thing
to
illustrate.
L
Are
there
areas?
I
know
that
we
already
use
our
water
and
sewage,
at
least
our
water,
if
not
our
sewage
system,
to
support
areas
that
are
outside
of
our
city
boundaries?
Is
there
opportunity
to
offer
that
in
a
way
that
benefits
beacon
in
some
way,
but
then
helps
incentivize?
It
might
be
some
land
that
could
be
developed
for
housing
that
then
we
can
help
provide
the
infrastructure
that
the
county
might
be
some,
so
some
partnership
with
fish
kill
east-
I
guess
you
know-
border
east,
bishop
and
fishkill
and
wappinger
to
that.
L
L
A
I
A
I
A
A
You
know
eight
hundred
a
thousand
square
foot
first
time,
rental
places
with
a
lot
of
common
space,
and
it
would
look
almost
like
a
co
european
co-housing
model
and
you
keep
the
cost
low
because
you're,
you
know
you're
you're,
sharing
a
lot
of
land,
you're
you're,
basically
having
a
smaller
footprint
and
before
they
could
even
act
that
property
sold
out
from
under
them.
And
then
you
know
now
it's
single-family
homes
that
will
be
three-quarters
of
a
million
dollars.
A
A
B
Okay,
went
up
on
that
one
yeah
more
to
come
yeah.
So
you
know,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
tonight's
meeting
is
is
conceptual
stuff
that
we're
going
to
keep
working
on.
So
let's
do
the
last
one,
which
is
a
citywide
speed,
limit
discussion,
nick
you're,
going
to
tell
us
all
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
do
to
have
this
discussion
right
more.
A
O
Good
so
good
evening,
so
in
the
council's
package
is
a
memo
from
our
office
as
well
as
a
copy
of
the
law
that
was
adopted
by
the
governor's
chapter
496
on
august
12th
about
a
month
ago
that
finally
authorizes
music
out
of
new
york
state
to
offer
a
speed
limit
lower
than
30
miles
an
hour.
You
may
recall
from
this
legislation
has
been
pending
for
a
number
of
years
before
different
governors
without
the
movement
and
with,
I
think,
increased
recognition
of
the
benefit
of
lower
speed
for
pedestrian
bicycle
safety.
O
O
Forth
now,
what
are
the
next
steps?
The
council
has
started
that
discussion
and
asked
us
to
do
so.
So
we
provided
that
that
memorandum,
and
so
the
city,
has
the
authority
to
reduce
the
speed
limit
either
city
wide
or
on
specific
street
225
miles
an
hour.
It
cannot
be
done
on
streets
that
are
owned
by
the
state
or
the
county.
It
can
be
done
on
all
city
whole
city
streets.
O
However,
to
do
that,
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
adopting
law
holding
here
and
reducing
it
from
30
to
25.
The
law
requires
that
a
traffic
engineer
licensed
here's.
A
traffic
engineer
undertake
an
examination
of
what
are
the
potential
impacts
of
safety
and
traffic
movement
from
reducing
that
speed
limit
and
that
they
do
so
by
issuing
a
torpedo
certified,
and
so
that
requires
a
number
of
factors
be.
O
C
O
To
expand
that
signal
timing,
so
if
it
was
previously
30
seconds
that
was
green,
does
it
now
need
to
be
35
to
40
seconds
as
an
example?
A
traffic
engineer
then,
has
to
look
at
that.
If
you
do
that
at
one
traffic
light,
what
is
the
impact
of
other
traffic
lights
because,
especially
in
the
city
where
your
lights
and
intersections
are
potentially
closer
than
they
are
in
other,
you
know
a
town
or
village?
O
What
is
that
impact?
So
you
can't
just
look
at
one
intersection
in
isolation.
You
need
to
examine
it
in
a
number
of
different
roadway
configurations,
and
it's
not
just
the
signal
timing.
How
many
cars
you
get
under
a
traffic
light
loud
screen,
but
also
what
is
the
qe,
how
many
cars
chew
up
so
that,
if
you
now
have
to
now
that
time
is
reduced
cars
chew
up?
Is
there
enough
stacking
lane
so
that
it's
safe
or
is
there
potential
that
you
now
have
a
car
one
extra
car
length?
O
That's
sticking
out
into
a
road
that
is
a
traffic
safety
hazard?
Does
that
cue
now
because
it's
potentially
longer
block
a
street
and
prevents
them
from
coming
out
or
does
it
create
a
sight
line,
distance
issue
where
a
car
turned
the
entrepreneur's
safety
sites,
the
site,
they're,
now
blocked
or
limited
viewpoints?
O
So
it's
not
as
easy
as
it
would
appear
just
from
adopting
at
all,
but
the
number
of
engineering
issues
that
need
to
be
examined.
I'm
including
the
you
know,
sight
lines
from
if
there's
a
hill
or
a
crest
is
that
now
effect
because
people
are
going
slower?
I
wouldn't
think
so.
But
again
something
needs
to
be
looked
at.
D
E
D
O
Want
to
make
sure
it's
done
also
is
not
just
mistakes
but
also
protect
the
city
from
liability.
If
the
city
were
to
reduce
the
speed
limit
and
not
go
through
this
exercise,
it
would
be
exposing
itself
to
potential
liability.
Should
there
an
accident
occur,
and
these
are
the
questions
we
also
ask
when
there
are
requests
for
stop
signs
or
other
pedestrian
or
vehicle
traffic
signs.
O
Does
it
wish
to
pursue
this
and
is
now
the
time
to
do
that
or
is
it
city-wide?
Are
there
specific
intersections,
or
do
you
want
a
traffic
engineer
to
come
in
here
and
perhaps
explain
in
more
detail
that
I
have
I've
learned
this
knowledge
from
attending
course
so
many
night
meetings
from
planning
boards
and
reports
and
legislative
bodies,
so
I
had
an
inkling
of
what
involved
in
traffic
injury.
O
Give
you
a
better
sense,
obviously
and
I've
just
given
you
a
number
based
upon
my
experience,
what
I
expect
that
study
would
cost,
and
I
expect
it
would
take
a
number
of
months
because
they
would
need
to
have
you
know,
put
the
traffic
monitoring
strips
down
on
the
road
to
count.
The
traffic
volumes
determine
what
it
is
during
the
peak
period
because
of
you
know,
traffic
at
1
pm,
certainly
different
traffic
at
8
am
or
5
pm,
and
it's
also
different
during
the
summer
versus
different
during
the
school
year.
O
B
A
B
A
A
A
B
M
My
question
was:
if
we
did
do
this
city-wide
traffic
study,
would
that
study?
How
does
that
study
overlap
with
other
traffic
studies
that
might
be
in
the
works
or
that
could
we
use
that
data
to,
for
example,
change,
speed
limits
on
other
streets
and
my
understanding,
for
example,
for
wilkes
street
along
memorial
park?
M
O
D
M
O
O
D
L
L
O
No,
that's
correct,
you
could
either
decide
to
do
individual
streets
now
and
then
a
traffic
engineer
would
say.
If
you
do,
you
know
one
street
how
whatever
streets
would
potentially
be
impacted
by
that.
But
if
you
do
do
a
full
citywide
study
that
doesn't
mean
you're,
you're
limited,
then
just
to
increase
your
25
mile,
perhaps
that
you
could
have
when
you
see
the
results
say
no,
let's
slow,
slow,
this
down
part
of
the
pond.
Let's
just
do
it
on
a
certain
number
of
streets.
O
G
O
G
O
G
When
I
was
talking
to
scufas
office
about
the
senator
scofus's
office
about
this,
they
were
saying
that
you
know
they
could.
We
were
talking
about
doing
20
miles
an
hour
on
main
street,
which
was
a
recommendation
of
the
main
street
access
committee,
and
I
said
you
know
well,
we
would
just
you
know
we
could
already
do
this
now
right.
We
could
do
this
without
a
study
and
they
said
he
said
well.
His
office
said
well.
The
point
of
putting
this
into
the
law
is,
then
you
wouldn't
have
to
do
a
study
at
all.
G
It's
like
this.
You
would
circumvent
the
study
by
doing
the
20
mile
an
hour
main
street
directly
through
albany,
because
we
have
a
process
already
in
which
we
could
have
done
it
with
a
study.
But
I
I
didn't
I
didn't
ask
for
any
of
the.
You
know
the
proof
of
what
they
were
telling
me.
So
I'd
have
to
look
it
up.