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From YouTube: Beacon Council Workshop 1-9-23
Description
The City of Beacon Council workshop from January 9, 2023
B
Okay,
oh
my
gosh
I,
hope
everyone's
refreshed
and
had
a
good
break
and
welcome
back
I
too
had
a
break.
So
it's
nice
I
got
everyone
here,
one
two,
three,
four:
five:
six,
seven
and
I
see
our
City
attorney
in
person,
no
baseball
bats
behind
you
right
and
the
city
administrator.
Anyone
online
are
we
expecting?
B
Welcome
audience
so
all
right,
let's
start
up,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
talk
through
the
local
building
code,
efficiency
standards.
First
I
think
Nick
you're
going
to
do
this
I
would
just
add
one
thing
which
was
when
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
this
I
was
saying
gosh.
It
would
be
really
nice
if
we
had
a
road
map.
You
know
on
how
the
state's
going
to
get
to
their
50
and
they're
100
percent
and
then
I
had
a
conversation
with
Sergey
ahead
of
the
CAC.
B
After
that
saying
gosh,
you
know,
have
you
seen
a
road
map
anywhere
I'd
really
like
to
know
and
I've
been
poking
around
and
I
can't
find
anything
and
then
in
December
State
put
out
a
road
map
so
which
was
very
cool
and
I.
Haven't
read
the
whole
thing,
but
I
I
think
we
forwarded
it
to
everyone
and
I
think
it
gives
gives
us
something
to
work
with.
D
E
Thank
you,
mayor
and
I
think
that's
a
good
place
to
start
so
in
the
packet
is
chapter
12
from
the
New
York
State
climate
plan.
We're
pertain
to
buildings.
The
actual
plan
itself
is
a
document
that
is
chock
full
of
information
over
400
Pages
a
lot
to
digest,
but
it's
more
than
just
a
policy
piece
of
more
than
just
aspirational,
and
it's
well
documented.
If
you
read
chapter
on
buildings,
you'll
see
that
it
looks
into
the
science
it
talks
about
the
practicality
of
actually
having
technology
that
is
able
to
meet
the
zero
net
emission
goals.
E
It's
a
good
document.
It
lays
out
a
nice
road
map
and
it's
also
somewhat
consistent
with
what
we've
the
conversations
we've
had
with
State
officials.
When
we
first
discussed
this
issue
when
Dan
a
couple
of
years
ago
raised
it
with
me
and
we
started
researching
it,
there
were
questions
about
not
just
the
technology
but
also
the
legality
of
it.
E
Can
you
do
it
because
it
is
regulated
by
a
number
of
different
legislative
regimes,
whether
it's
the
federal
Emissions,
on
clean
air,
whether
it's
the
state
legislation
of
utilities
or
it's
a
State,
Building
Code,
and
so
the
law
is
starting
to
catch
up?
It's
not
quite
all.
The
way
there
yet
New
York
state
did
introduce
the
all
Electro
electrified
building
Act,
that
was
part
of
a
Governor's
budget.
Bill
last
year
did
not
get
passed.
It
really
remained
in
committees,
it's
now
being
reintroduced
as
a
Senate.
Bill
I've
sent
that
to
the
council
just
this
evening.
E
No
one
has
looked
at
it
from
that
angle,
but
I
think
it's
supported.
I
think
if
B
can
were
to
include
that
in
the
in
your
legs
relative
intents
and
purpose,
you
would
be
striking
on
new
ground
there,
but
only
being
so
far,
two
cases
interpreting
the
green
amendment.
That
I
believe
also
bolsters
the
support
and
the
intent
here
and,
as
you
know,
with
natural
gas
and
fossil
fuels,
with
especially
with
natural
gasers
studies
out,
there
talk
about
indoor
air
quality,
as
well
as
the
effect
on
outdoor
air
and
just
fossil
fuels
in
general.
E
E
The
ethical
law
is
very
comprehensive,
very
detailed
if
you
ever
get
a
chance
to
read
it,
but
you
need
to
have
a
cup
of
coffee
in
one
hand
and
a
shot
of
whiskey
and
the
other
to
go
through
and
read
it
and
spend
the
time
with
it.
And
that,
in
our
mind,
is
not
what
we
would
recommend,
because
that
that
has
a
point
system.
It
also
doesn't
fully
take
effect
until
2026.
They
also
have
some
voluntary
parts
that
talked
about
retrofitting.
E
They
have
a
lot
of
investor
money
through
some
private
programs,
a
much
different,
unique
animal
in
both
the
city
of
Ithaca
and
the
town
of
Ithaca,
two
separate
municipalities.
We
think
the
easiest
way
to
regulate.
This
is
the
simple
statement
that
thou
shall
not
use
fossil
fuels
as
a
source
of
energy
for
buildings
and
and
build
from
it.
There
keep
it
very
simple,
very
straightforward,
so
that
the
building
inspector
can
can
enforce
it
and
similar
to
New
York
State.
E
We
think
a
phased
approach,
one
that
deals
with
residential
first
and
then
commercial
phased
in,
because
there
are
questions
for
larger
entities
in
New.
York
City,
for
example,
has
an
exemption
for
commercial
water
heaters
because
they
don't
think
the
technology
is
there.
While
it's
there
for
a
single
family
home
room
for
three
or
four
Apartments
to
have
a
hot
water
heater
that
is
non-natural
gas
fired
and
is
done
by
a
electricity.
They
don't
think
it's
fair
for
the
larger
apartment
buildings.
E
E
That's
why
he
sees
in
the
states
program
a
phased
in
approach,
and
so
we're
prepared
to
come
back
at
your
next
work
session
with
a
draft
local
law
in
two
weeks,
and
we
just
need
some
guidance
from
you
as
to
some
of
the
questions
that
we've
laid
out
in
our
in
our
memorandum
to
you,
and
so
we
did
sort
of
a
decision
tree
and
you
may
have
other
questions
and
thoughts
that
you
want
to
speak
through.
But
I
think
this
gives
us
now.
E
We
know
we
can
do
it
and
I
know
that
the
council
wants
to
do
it.
What
is
it
we
want
to
do
and
what
type
of
really
construction
is
being
regulated?
So
if
you
turn
to
page
two
of
a
memo,
one
of
the
questions
we
have.
The
first
question
is:
what
type
of
construction
should
the
local
law
regulate
and
I
know?
Some
of
these
are
pretty
basic
and
you've
discussed
it,
but
I
think
it's
good
just
to
get
down
here.
E
This
is
the
direction
you
want
to
go
in
and
so
in
question
one:
the
residential
construction,
I
presume
you
want
to
regulate
single
family,
two
family,
multi-family
and
condominium
and
townhouses,
and
then,
if
that's
correct,
we've
also
been
broken
down
commercial
construction
to
start
in
a
later
phase,
and
we
can
talk
about
what
year.
But
the
first
question
we
need
to
answer
is:
is
the
council
comfortable
with
this
breakdown
that
we're
regulating
it
residential
on
the
one
hand,
and
then
commercial
in
a
separate
bucket.
B
D
B
That's
pretty
close
to
us
right,
I
mean
okay,
we've
got
four
stories,
maybe
sometimes,
but
it
would
seem
to
me
that
we
could
probably
do
all
residential
I
don't
know
if
a
condo
would
be
cons
because
it's
not
the
ownership
of
the
the
ownership
structure.
It's
what's
the
building
sure,
if
you
say
all
residential
dwelling
units,
yeah
and-
and
so
maybe
we'd
have
to
think
about
that.
But
my
first
reaction
was
this:
was
the
this
was
the
target
area
and
it's
it's
confirmed
by
the
state's
roadmap,
all
right.
B
E
And
the
reason
the
state
I
believe
the
reason
state
has
pushed
it
back
and
speaking
with
nyserda
speaking
with
other
Municipal
agencies
and
officials,
is
they
just
don't
have
the
regulations
in
place
and
in
fact,
nyscert
has
been
working
with
some
municipalities
and
trying
to
develop
that
proposed
legislation,
and
that's
not
even
proposed
to
be
introduced
until
the
end
of
this
year.
So
I
think
Beacon
is
coming
out
ahead
of
this
and
in
fact
your
law
might
become
a
model
for
other
municipalities
ahead
of
the
states
so
depending
when
you
want
to
have
it
effective.
E
A
E
A
B
And
the
the
other
thing,
I
I,
didn't
understand
and
I
haven't
done
a
full
reading.
I
admit
it.
It's
like
whatever
400
pages,
so
I
didn't
read
it
all
I'm
just
being
honest,
but
I
did
do
a
pretty
good
read
of
this
chapter.
I
wasn't
sure
how
did
the
stretch
building
code
that
we
did
we
already
adopted?
How
does
that
fit
in
here
and
are
we
in?
Are
they
in
effect,
going
to
put
out
another
one
with
residential
and
we're
just
adopting
it
earlier
or
what
is
it?
How.
E
Does
that
work
sure?
So
if
it's
actually
two
two
other
laws
that
are
coming
down,
the
pike,
one
is
a
stretch
2023
that
will
build
upon
the
stretch,
2020
or
2021
that
the
city
adopted
and
that's
going
to
that,
doesn't
deal
with
so
much
the
the
sort,
the
energy
source
that
talks
about
the
building
envelope,
making
it
tighter
the
requirements
on
appliances,
requirements
on
Windows,
it's
more
of
the
infrastructure
and
the
building
itself,
not
the
source
of
the
energy,
so
that
third
law
I
talk
about
was
stretch
2020
being
the
first
stretch
2023
beam.
E
The
second
is
the
electrification
act
that
is
being
worked
on
as
a
local
law,
because
all
the
state
is
going
to
do
is:
should
the
state
adopt
this
year
or
next
year,
a
requirement
that
buildings
be
electric
they're,
directing
the
codes
Council
to
then
develop
regulations,
so
the
state
law
doesn't
actually
implement
it.
It
just
gives
direction
to
the
New
York
State
Building,
the
State
Building
Department,
to
now
design
and
develop
regulations
that
would
eliminate
fossil
fuels
and
then
they
have
to
develop
and
design
and
adopt
their
law
and
then
go
through
changes.
E
A
Thing
also
about
the
stretch
code
is:
it
has
the
one
that
we
adopted
in
2020
included
some
stuff
that
was
related
to
setting
up
like
pipes
and
stuff
throughout
the
buildings
for
eventual
electrification.
So
there
was
so
for
for
multi-family
buildings.
There
was
a
requirement
for
having
electric
charging
stations
I
think
at
two
or
a
certain
percentage
of
the
parking
stations,
but
then
like
another
10
of
them
had
to
be
outfitted
so
that
wires
could
be
run
to
them.
So
there's
a.
B
E
I
think
I
think
that's
something
of
a
council
discuss.
Yes,
because
the
state
is
at
2028
from
what
my
initial
understanding
is.
The
technology
is
not
there
or
not
fully
understandable,
so
it's
still
being
looked
at
so
I
think
it
does
make
sense
to
face
it
and
the
good
thing
about
doing
it
as
a
local
law.
Is
you
always
have
the
ability
to
change
it
right
if
you're
going
to
set
it
as
2026
27,
28,
29,
30
33?
G
A
H
Would
we
do
oh
sorry,
George
if
we,
if
we
separate
commercial
from
residential
I,
would
think
that
having
the
mixed
use,
which
is
typically
probably
75
residential
yeah
and
would
flip
it
into
the
residential
part
of
it,
as
opposed
to
being
separate,
because
anything
that's
going
to
go
up
on
Main
Street
is
going
to
have
a
commercial
entity
on
the
ground
floor.
Everything
else
above
it
is
going
to
be
residential.
So
more.
B
That
was
like
you
couldn't
tell,
because
when
you
read
that
one
chapter
it
divides
the
world,
you
know
as
if
it's
clean
between
residential
and
Commercial
and
clearly
we're
the
exact
opposite
right.
As
George
said
it's
probably
all
of
our
commercial
is
going
to
be.
You
know,
partially
residential,
so
I
think
we'd
have
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
B
E
E
And
I
think
they
also
want
to
receive
feedback
because
a
lot
of
times
right,
the
councils
are
not
the
boots
on
the
ground.
They
don't
have
the
real
practical
experience.
It's
a
broad
cross
section.
So
I
don't
want
to
say
they
don't
have
the
experience,
but
I
think
hearing
from
local
officials
is
of
interest
to
them
as
well
and
I
think
for
a
multi
mixed
use.
E
D
E
E
If
you
will
I,
don't
know
if
restaurants,
if
all
types
I
know
there
are
concerns,
I,
don't
know
enough
to
know
whether
restaurants
and
other
light
industrial
type
uses
that
you
might
find
with
Richard,
Brewery
or
Distillery
would
be
able
to
operate
with
a
fully
electric
and
I.
Think
having
conversations
with
Bruce
would
you
know,
would
help
answer
both
questions.
Yeah.
F
I
could
also
see
a
path
and
you
have
a
whole
category
about
a
hardship
process
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
some
commercial,
we
say.
Maybe
we
do
offer
exemptions
to
other
commercial.
We
say
you
have
to
come
to
us
and
have
some
proof,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
from
Bruce
how
sustainable
and
feasible
that
actually
is
as
a
path
forward,
because
I
would
like
to
think
as
much
as
possible.
We
do
earlier,
but
I
want
to
learn
more
about
how
commercial
actually
works
and
the
different
variations
before
I
make
a
call
on
that.
E
B
Am
incapable
of
making
a
statement
like?
Oh
you
know,
mixed
use,
they'll
they'll
do
electric
in
the
residential
part,
and
it's
like
I
can't
make
that
statement,
because
it
could
be
that
you
know
you're
putting
in
two
systems
all
of
a
sudden
and
that's
just
not
feasible
I'm,
pretty
comfortable.
That
first
piece,
the
residential
standalone
and
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
how
we
treat
that
commercial,
and
you
know,
maybe
what
we
say
is
that
the
residential
portion
of
mixed
use
should
be.
B
F
Do
know
from
conversations
I've
had
with
Edgewater
that
they
have
a
mixed
heating
use,
it
doesn't
involve,
but
they
didn't
talk
about
hot
water,
so
I
can't
speak
to
that,
but
they
for
their
Apartments,
it's
electric
heat
and
then
for
their
larger
common
spaces.
It
is
gas,
fed
heat,
I,
know
some
I
know
other
buildings
too,
and
Kingston
do
the
same
thing
that
are
relatively
those
are
actually
repurposed
and
so
I
do
think.
The
technology
is
there,
but,
like
you,
I'm,
not
a
building
expert.
So
I
want
confirmation.
B
E
E
I
think
what
would
be
helpful
is
if
we
actually
had
a
law
put
together.
That
would
also
allow
the
climate,
Action,
Council
and
nicer
and
Builders
to
comment
on
that
as
well.
So
if
we
bring
them
sort
of
have
something
for
them
to
re,
respond
to
and
answer
these
questions,
and
we
can
certainly
leave
placeholders
on
issues
where
we're
looking
for
a
further
guidance
and
thoughts.
A
I
have
them
here:
I've,
never
been
there
Seminary
Hill
cat
skills,
apparently
they
switched
their
entire
kitchen
from
gas
to
induction
stoves
had
to
make
some
adjustments
to
their
menu
accordingly,
because
there's
no
Open
Flame
but
they're
very
happy
and
it's
gone
very
smoothly
and
I've
planned
on
reaching
out
to
them
to
learn
more
about
what
they've
done.
But
I
can
share
that
with
the
council
or
even
invite
them
to
speak
to
us.
A
E
Now
that'd
be
good
information
to
get.
Thank
you
so
then
I
think
I've
have
enough
guidance
there
and
the
second
question
is
we
talk
about
new
construction,
which
is
assuming
it's
vacant
new
building
from
the
ground
up?
Well,
what
about
major
Renovations
or
an
addition
which
is
in
addition
to
new
construction?
E
So
would
you
consider
a
renovation
for
example?
If
it's
you
have
an
existing
single-family
house
and
we're
adding
on
you
know:
2
000
square
feet.
Is
that
something
where
you
would
want
it
to
to
be
considered
to
be
required
to
be
required?
But
you
can
go
for
an
exemption
to
be
discussed
with
the
building
inspector.
How
would
you
want
to
carve
out
and
make
a
distinction
for
additional
render
something?
Beyond
new
construction
and
I?
A
E
Not
in
the
building
code,
you
know
we
have
some
examples
here
that
we
pulled
I
think
is
from
Ithaca.
Work
is
less
than
75
percent
of
the
floor,
or
it's
75
or
more
of
the
Florida
was
considered
to
be
a
major
renovation
and
again
I
would
defer
to
Bruce
on
that,
because
I
think
each
Community
is
different.
You
know
75
percent
of
a
community
where
they
have
larger
buildings
like
New,
York,
City
versus
Beacon,
where
buildings
are
smaller
75
might
be
just
still
not
realistic.
I.
A
Mean
I'm
definitely
interested
in
including
major
Renovations,
but
in
a
smart
way.
You
know
I
mean
even
if
you
took
the
75
rule,
if
you
did
the
75
percent
that
doesn't
have
any
of
your
appliances
and
then
we
said
oh,
but
you
have
to
because
you
did
75
of
your
building.
You
have
to
replace
the
appliances
and
the
other
25
percent
it
might
not
like
if
I'm.
E
E
B
Yeah,
this
is
the
area
that
worries
me
right,
because
we're
making
a
judgment
call
that
we
have
no
idea,
and
even
if
the
you
know,
we
rely
on
someone
like
the
building
inspector,
we
don't
know
whether
that
applies
in
all
cases.
Right
and
then
we
can
say.
Oh
we'll
do
you
know
hardships
or
exceptions,
and
it's
just
getting
complicated.
B
When
I
read
the
chapter
in
the
States
road
map,
they
didn't
talk
about
renovation,
they
talked
about
end
of
useful
life
for
the
appliances
and
I
think
that
might
be
a
better
approach,
because
what
it
would
say
is
I'm
doing
my
garage.
I
just
did
my
gas,
but
you
don't
want
me
to
reply.
I
just
did
my
boiler
or
whatever.
B
E
What
we
could
also
do
is
develop
in
the
law
sort
of
a
requirement
that,
if
you're
coming
in
for
a
major
renovation,
what
do
we
do,
but
we
use
it
to
gather
information,
but
the
building
inspector
shell
discuss
and
consider
and
the
applicant
show
explained-
did
they
consider
electrification
and
why
or
why
not?
So
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
you
use
it
as
an
opportunity
to
get
information
and
then
you
can
revisit
it
in
a
year.
Can.
G
H
G
Mean
where
this
makes
sense,
like
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
think
about
actual
things
that
are
coming
up
and
like
Tompkins
Terrace
wants
to
retrofit
all
of
their
Apartments.
This
would
be
mean
this
would
be
great
to
talk
to
them
about
trying
to
move
to
Electric
wherever
they
can,
because
they're
coming
to
you
in
a
week
or
two
to
talk
about
a
pilot,
but
you
think
about
like
a
major
renovation,
is
like
a
a
gut
rehab
or
rebuilding
from
a
fire.
More
than
just
an
addition.
A
A
To
limit
the
cost
is
I
mean
we're
kind
of
saying
it
already,
but
to
only
replace
the
appliances
when
they
need
to
when
they
would
have
been
replaced
already,
and
that
may
not
be
end
of
life.
It
definitely
is
end
of
life,
but
it
could
also
include
you
know
we.
You
know,
we
know
that
we're
15
years
into
this
hot
water,
tank
and
or
whatever
the
and
we
want
to
replace
it.
A
G
F
G
B
Well,
you
know:
that's
the
other
thing
that
we
have
to
think
through.
I
mean
all
right,
so
we've
been
in
our
house
for
30
years,
we
put
in
a
boiler
early
on
the
the
steam
radiators
lasted
140
years,
they're,
probably
going
to
last
for
another
500
years
right.
We
we
had
our
boiler
fail
in
the
dead
of
winter
last
year,
so
there's
another
one
in
there
now.
B
B
D
I
F
I
E
E
So
we
included
this
discussion
about
major
Renovations
I.
Think
it
also
establishes
and
proves
the
point
that
it
could
actually
become
a
distraction
to
your
main
goal,
and
so
maybe
the
first
phase
is
we
don't
do
the
major
Renovations
until
we
get
some
more
information
unless
we
hear
from
nyserda
but
I
don't
want
to
have
Bruce
bogged
down
as
he's
enforcing
other
laws,
then
trying
to
figure
out
the
major
Renovations
issue
and
you
have
perhaps
a
regulated
Community.
E
You
might
be
concerned
as
well,
so
we
want
a
law
that
is
easily
understood
and
implementable
and
I.
Think
looking
at
Major
Renovations
is
a
good
discussion
to
have,
but
I
probably
would
recommend
against
regulating
at
this
point
six
months.
From
now
for
opinion
changes
we
go
in
there
and
we
amend
it
right.
B
J
You
know,
as
we
discussed,
the
purpose
of
this
law
is
to
stop
the
use
to
regulate
the
sources
of
energy,
and
so,
if
there
are
instances
in
which
a
major
renovation
is
happening,
and
somebody
is
including
in
their
major
renovation,
a
re-hauling
of
that
underlying
infrastructure.
I
do
want
this
law
to
apply
to
them.
There
are
instances
that
we
have
been
discussing
where
things
get
a
little
murkier
about
which
appliance
exactly
is
being
replaced
or
not
or
is
at
the
end
of
its
useful
life.
A
I
agree:
I
do
like
I.
Do
like
continuing
the
conversation
to
include
Renovations,
though
I
I
don't
have
the
right
definitions
or
or
I,
don't
have
the
answer.
Maybe
nobody
at
the
table
does
right
now.
Like
poem
said,
you
know,
we
want
to
regulate
the
the
burning
of
gases
inside
buildings
and
I'm.
Thinking
about
you
know,
I'm,
just
taking
this
as
an
example,
because
it's
a
prominent
example
in
my
ward
is
one
East
Main
when
one
East
Main
was
converted
into
Apartments.
A
If
we
left
out
major
Renovations
that
whole
building
could
have
been
set
up
to
be
burning
gas
in
every
unit,
while
we
were
trying
to
Electrify
all
new
buildings
and
yes,
one
East
Main
was
a
was
a
renovation
but
really
I
mean
for
its
use
and
such
it's
it's
a
new
building
right.
It
is
the
skeleton
of
the
old
one.
So
why
would
we
want
fossil
fuels
to
continue
to
be
burnt
inside
that
building,
but
not
one
with
the
same
exact
specs
next
door
that
was
built
from
the
ground
up
yeah.
E
So
let
me
continue
the
discussion
with
Bruce,
because
I
think
we
may
be
able
to
come
up
with,
because
that's
a
good
example
I've
re-cut,
a
total
gut
job.
A
rehab
of
that
nature
is
something
you
want
to
capture
as
opposed
to
someone
adding.
You
know
a
500
square
foot
kitchen,
where
we're
really
not
changing
much
of
a
house.
E
B
D
B
Can
include
that
in
the
first
phase,
cleanly
right
and
say
it
has
to
be
total
right,
because
if
we
can
kind
of
defend
that
credibly
and
I
think
that
that
might
work,
although
we
kind
of
need
to
know
a
little
bit
more
because
it
is
much
harder
to
do
rehab
or
total,
you
know
rehab
than
it
is
to
do
new
construction.
So
it
could
be
as
well
that
you
know
the
pipes
are
in
the
wrong
place
or
the
building
is
structured
incorrectly.
D
G
We
do
have
thresholds
in
our
code
for
sprinkler,
it's
just
installation.
So
if
you
go
above
a
threshold,
I
believe
it's
50
percent.
You
have
to
sprinkler
the
building,
and
that
came
up
with
the
sros
that
we've
been
dealing
with
Renovations
on
on
their
original
permit,
didn't
have
50
renovation,
then
they
they
gutted
more
than
50,
and
we
made
them
put
a
sprinkler
system
in.
So
we
can
think
like
that.
It's
clearly
done
elsewhere.
J
Oh
I
just
do
want
to
say
out
loud
that
part
of
why
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
include
the
renovation
framework
and
we
can
continue
to
talk
about.
The
particulars
is
that
Beacon
is
largely
built
out
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
actually
applicable
to
as
many
people
as
we
want
to
actually
have
the
outcomes
that
we
need.
C
B
D
D
F
E
E
Absolutely
I
think
it
is
absolutely
tied
in
with
Renovations.
Yes,
because
right,
if
someone's
putting
a
garage-
and
it's
not
heated-
you
don't
want
that
to
then
be
counting.
It
would
not
necessarily
be
fair
to
count
that
as
part
of
100
renovation
or
something
of
that
nature,
but
if
they
have
other
gas
uses
within
that
I
think
you
want
to
capture
it
so
in
question
four:
it's
do
you
want
to
include
any
exemptions
and
if
so,
which
ones-
and
so
one
of
the
ones
was
like-
is
the
emergency
backup
power.
E
So
if
someone
has
a
generator
and
then
we
have
these
other
lists
which
are
all
commercial
uses,
so
I
think
if
you
I
don't
know
if
we
need
those
if
you're
having
a
phased
out
program,
if
you
decide
to
say
you
want
to
start
now,
then
I
think
you
probably
would
want
these.
We
do
have
one
Municipal
Water
and
Wastewater
facilities.
That's
just
a
practical
reality
that,
from
speaking
with
Chris,
an
understanding
of
the
operations
that
your
Wastewater
and
water
facilities
are
such
a
large
energy
demand
that,
having
that
electric
wouldn't
wouldn't
work.
F
J
Of
hardship,
hardship,
appeal
process
might
be
I
would
err
on
the
side,
including
only
including
categories
that
we
are
100
sure
would
qualify
for
the
hardship
exemption,
which
we
will
then
discuss
what
exactly
that
means
in
a
minute.
But
for
that
reason,
I
would
not
necessarily
include
low-income
housing,
potentially
laundromats,
potentially
buildings,
greater
than
three
stories,
and
err
on
the
side
of
being
conservative
about
what
we
automatically
exempt
and
then
have
a
really
clear
process
for
the
Appeals.
B
Well,
I,
most
of
these
look
like
commercial
when
I
thought
what
we
were
going
to
try
to
focus
on
first
was
residential,
correct,
yes
right,
and
so,
if
that
were
the
case,
then
the
only
things
you'd
need
to
worry
about
are
emergency
backup
and
then
five
and
six
low
income,
housing
and
then
residential
buildings
greater
than
three
stories,
not
historic
ones.
Right.
A
B
What
I,
what
I
got
reading
the
states
road
map
was
there's
a
logic
to
it
and
if
we
think
we
want
to
do
something
well
ahead
of
where
the
state
is
Right,
residentials,
2025,
I,
don't
think
2023
is
too
early.
I
think
that's
very
consistent
with
a
stretch,
coat
concept.
If
we
want
to
do
something
this
out
in
2035
and
that
included,
for
instance,
end
of
life,
residential
appliances.
E
B
F
B
B
I
mean
I'm
not
trying
to
raise
extremes
as
much
as
to
say,
there's
a
logic
to
what
you
do
in
what
order
and
the
state
has
laid
it
out
and
unless
you've
got
science
saying
you
know
that
here's
why
you
can
you're
basically
doing
a
cost
benefit
in
position
on
people
without
having
any
cost
of
benefit
evidence
I
mean
I.
Just
don't
see
how
you
can
do
that
unless
you're
into
imposing
whatever
you
want
on
people
I,
just
don't
think
it's
logical.
G
We
do
have
some
businesses
that
I
don't
know
that
could
go
all
electric.
You
have
glass,
blowing
shops
and
I,
don't
know
that
they
can
get
the
temperatures
that
they
need
to
do
that.
You
have
welding
shops
that
are
using,
you
know
very
concentrated
fossil
fuels.
You
know,
we
think
about
think
about
Niche,
modern
making.
All
those
you
know
the
glass
lighting,
fixtures
and
stuff,
but.
G
No
but
I'm
just
saying
like
Okay:
let's
talk
about
Niche
modern,
they
have
facilities
there,
they
have
a
couple
buildings
that
are
are
pretty
much
empty
and
let's
say
they
were
going
to
do
glass
blowing
and
the
preparation.
Isn't
there
I'm
not
saying
you
don't
get
there,
but
you
got
to
do
a
lot
more
work
than
just
talking
amongst
the
nine
of
us
to
figure
out
what
processes
can't
be
replaced.
I
know
if
you
told
the
DPW
that
we
can't
do
welding,
you
know
unless
we
did
all
electric
that
might
create
an
issue.
D
J
F
J
J
We
also
have
commercial
spaces.
Who
could
we
have?
You
know
bookshops
and
office
spaces
that
do
not
require
huge
amounts
of
energy,
and
so
I
would
like
to
err
on
the
site
again
similar
to
the
major
Renovations,
including
it
in
the
law
and
then
chipping
out
reasonable
exemptions
from
there,
as
opposed
to
excluding
it
completely
when
there
are
spaces
that
that
can
can
do
this,
and
and
should
right.
E
B
Right
right,
you
don't
know
if
it's
a
restaurant
or
a
bank
and
so
I
don't
you
know.
This
is
an
area
where
I'm,
okay,
with
where
Ren
you
were
going,
which
is
we
could
talk
about
faith.
You
know
phasing
in
terms
of
timing
and
do
that
now.
I
think
that
we're
not
going
to
know
enough
about
the
commercial
to
make
any
kind
of
judgment
calls
on
how
we
do
it.
B
So
maybe
what
we
do
is
we
say:
look
we're
going
to
do
commercial
two
years
of
how
to
wherever
the
states
is
right,
and
we
could
do
that
now
without
defining
how
it
is
yet
and
and
looked
at
a
state
to
help
us
learn
what
we
want
to
do
and
tell
them
where
we're
going.
We
want
to
go
a
couple
years
earlier.
E
F
I'm
with
Paloma
that
I
would
like
to
not
necessarily
exempt
all
of
them.
Maybe
some
of
them
can
afford
it
like
the
case
that
Chris
mentioned,
but
I
would
prefer
to
have
one-on-one
conversation.
I,
don't
know
if
the
federal
property,
if
they
ever
did
stuff,
if
they
could
afford
it
or
not,
they
have
a
different
Financial
structure,
so
they
might
be
exempt
from
one
of
our
laws
anyway.
But
I
I
think
that
yeah
I
would
maybe
want
to
get
to
the
fifth
one
a
hardship
process
for
low-income
housing
for.
A
F
But
the
sorry
the
hardship
process
is
if
they're
saying
we
will
not
be
able
to
build
this.
If
you
require
this,
then
our
decision
as
a
council
is,
do
we
give
up
that
low-income
housing,
because
we
don't
want
it
to
be
built
right
now
with
fossil
fuels,
and
that
might
be
a
decision
we
make.
But
I
feel
like
that's
where
this
process
number
five
gets
triggered.
F
C
I'm
going
to
say
that
I
agree
with
Dan
on
this,
because
this
is
actually
when
I
was
going
through.
This
I
was
thinking
the
same
thing,
but
also
in
the
long
term,
doesn't
going
all
electric
save
money
for
the
building
and
wouldn't
that
have
a
more
financial
benefit
to
low-income
housing.
If
it
was
built
with
electric
I
mean
we've
had
a
lot
of
people
come
to
us
and
talk
to
us
about
the
benefits
of
moving
toward
an
all-electric
Beacon,
but
one.
H
C
A
One
thing
about
cost
too
is
I,
did
read
that
or
someone
a
builder
told
me
that
by
not
having
any
gas
appliances
in
the
building
that
the
ventilation
requirements
are
lesser
and
I,
don't
know
what
the
cost
of
the
ventilation
requirements
are,
but
when
you're
not
building
when
you're,
not
putting
gas
burning
appliances
in
a
building
like
before
we
before
that
was
even
a
thing.
The
ventilation
requirements
were
less
yeah
and
I.
Think
there's
a
law
specifically
about
where
the
where
the
boiler
is.
It
has
to
have
like
three
windows.
F
E
B
But
just
note
that
every
time
we
try
to
you
know
be
our
own
experts
and
and
say:
well,
you
know
if,
if
there
weren't
gas,
then
this
would
be
cheaper.
I
mean
clearly
we're
working
with
something
that,
if
that
were
always
if
it
were
cheaper,
they
would
do
it
that
way,
right
and
so
we're
asking
people
and
all
kind
of
what
George
said
ahead
of
when
it's
cost
effective.
To
do
things,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
going
to
need
State
incentives,
maybe
for
low
income.
B
B
E
H
A
B
A
A
A
I
D
H
J
B
F
E
And
the
next
question,
then,
is:
when
does
the
law
go
into
effect
and
that's
number
five
on
page
four
and
look
I've
thrown
out
some
examples?
Do
you
want
a
DOT
based
on
land
use
approvals?
Do
you
want
it
based
on
building
permits,
stages
at
2025
and
the
state?
Does
it
very
simple
right?
It's
easy!
It's
implementable
building
permits.
So
if
you
apply
for
a
building
permit
before
January
1st
2025,
you
don't
have
to
comply
if
you
apply
for
it
afterwards.
E
E
A
B
E
F
A
F
B
F
I
have
a
question
about
whether
or
not
for
the
best
use
of
our
time.
Is
it
good
for
us
to
put
in
whatever
version
of
commercial
we
want
now
before
the
state
has
even
passed
something,
or
should
we
wait
to
add
it
in
once
we
once
the
state
is
farther
along
and
I.
Don't
have
an
answer
to
that,
but
it's
a
question.
A
I,
have
that
just
reminded
me
something
I
wanted
to
say
earlier.
Remember
that,
like
the
the
state
is
working
on,
the
entire
is
the
entire
State
and
we're
just
working
on
the
city.
So
if
we
were
to
exempt
hospitals,
let's
say
we
were
going
to
exempt
a
few
things
crematoriums
and
stuff.
Basically,
what
we're
saying
like
what
Paloma
said
earlier
is
we're
saying
that
the
be
the
businesses
that
we
want
to
move
here,
the
businesses
that
we
want
to
move
into
the
new
and
fully
renovated
commercial
space
are
businesses
that
do
not
burn
fossil
fuels.
B
Yeah,
like
that's
the
thing
that
I'd
be
pretty
comfortable
doing,
is
stating
a
date
when
we
want
to
do
commercial
without
knowing
the
details,
because
again,
unless
we're
experts
and
the
scientists-
and
we
know
what
the
state
has
said-
I
don't
think
we
can
fill
that
out.
Could
we
do
something
like
that?
B
Yes
saying
you
know
announce
a
day,
correct,
put
it
into
the
statute
without
saying
the
legislation
will
come
instead
of
date
when
we
have
to
get
the
legislation
in
place
to
be
reasonable,
because
then
that
would
give
us
the
time
to
rely
on
expertise
and
still
kind
of
put
our
our
right.
You
know
Line
in
the
Sand
of
here's
our
day.
D
B
B
But
I'm
just
saying
you
know
when
we
do
that
I,
don't
know
why
the
panel
that
has
all
the
experts
that
commercial
is
this
day
right,
I'm,
okay
to
say,
I,
think
we
can
probably
go
earlier,
because,
partly
because
it's
only
our
five
square
miles
and
whatever
but
I,
don't
know
why
they've
made
those
choices
it
might
be
because
of
the
technology
for
heating.
It
might
be
the
technology
for
cooking
I,
don't
know
right
and
I,
don't
see
how
we're
going
to
know
I.
E
Think
it's
a
combination
from
Reading,
not
over
report
yet,
but
a
lot
of
it.
A
couple
different
factors
having
the
workforce
available
and
the
skilled
professionals
who
are
trained
in
is
one
thing
that
comes
through
in
this
report:
that's
going
to
create
jobs
and
new
jobs
and
new
professions
and
and
the
skills
not
there
yet
the
other
is
the
financial
incentives
to
make
it
worthwhile
and
feasible,
and
then
the
third
is
the
technology.
I
think
all
three
of
those
are.
G
What's
driving
the
dates,
then,
the
fourth
is
electric
capacity
so
like
with
the
firehouse
we're
having
to
get
all
new
Transformers
to
support
the
electrification
of
that
firehouse
and
those
have
a
I'm
told
those
have
a
year
lead
time
in
ordering
them.
So
if,
if
we
have
a
delay
with
the
firehouse,
it's
probably
going
to
be
related
to
that
piece
of
it.
F
Yeah
I
think
of
it
too.
As
a
bit
like
what
we've
seen
with
lecture
electrifying,
our
Fleet
of
vehicles,
there
are
some
vehicles
that
have
come
and
be
made
possible
just
in
the
last
couple
years
and
others
that
still
aren't
possible.
So
I
would
think
that
the
same
as
being
done
with
all
the
electrification
of
the
stuff,
that's
inside
buildings
as
well
the
technology
that
there
there
was
money
to
be
made.
So
people
are
working
on
it,
but
it
but
doesn't
mean
that
things
are
all
there
yet.
A
You
can
start
a
business
in
Beacon
so
that,
by
leaving
out
the
exceptions,
we're
just
saying
that
as
the
as
it
becomes
as
fossil
fuel
Replacements
come
online.
You're
welcome
here,
but
for
business
like
a
glass
blowing,
may
not
be
a
new
business
that
could
open
in
Beacon,
but
maybe
when
somebody
does
invent
a
way
of
doing
classical
without.
H
J
A
H
J
G
D
J
A
E
G
B
E
And
then
the
last
category
really
is
hardship,
exemptions,
I
and
I.
Think
with
commercial,
because
it
sounds
the
least
for
now
the
discussion
seems
to
be
centering
around.
Let's
get
some
more
information,
but
it
seems
to
be
following
the
state's
lead
until
we're
not
solidified
here,
but
it
seems
to
be
where
the
consensus
seems
to
be
going
so
I,
don't
think
the
hardship
exemptions
is
really
focused
on
commercial.
E
At
this
point
it
really
is
residential
and
so
I,
don't
know
what
hardships
would
come
up
other
than
if
someone
were
to
establish
it's
not
technically
or
feasible,
or
physically
feasible,
due
to
the
structure
of
ability
or
financially
feasible.
May
establish
that
so
I
think
those
are
three
reasons
we
could
put
in
here
and
the
question
becomes.
Who
do
you
want
to
make
that
determination?
E
G
B
And
I
would
prefer
that
we
have
a
law
that
has
no
hardship
for
that.
You
know,
because
how
are
we
going
to
get
into
that
one
right?
So
if
we
want
to
do
Residential
first
I
I
would
new
construction
under
four
stories,
I'd
say
none,
and
then
we
need
to
make
sure
that
low
income
is
addressed,
and
then
we
could
do
it
right.
C
H
E
Part
would
be
right,
but
I,
think
of
the
commercial,
because
we
need
more
information
and
we
don't
want
to
slow
down
the
residential
portion.
You
put
the
commercial
in
there
with
the
date,
so
you
have
the
Bare
Bones
law
and
we
don't
need
to
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
with
exemptions
and
specific
regulations,
because
that
can
be
dealt
with
as
we
get
closer
to
get
learning
more
information
and
before
it
gets
implemented.
E
B
So
mixed
use,
which
you
might
be
able
to
do,
is
say
that
the
residential
portion
of
mixed
use
applies
to
our
new
residential
construction,
and
the
only
exception
would
be
if
you
could
demonstrate
that,
because
it's
mixed
use,
something
doesn't
work
right.
Maybe
that,
and
that
would
pick
up
mixed
use
in
the
first
tranche.
B
A
D
G
G
E
I
have
enough
from
this
discussion
to
draft
a
law
that
will
give
us
something
to
talk
about.
I
know.
The
question
is
to
go
back
to
see
if
we
can
get
a
representative
from
the
climate,
Action,
Council
and
or
nice
daughter,
and
so
we
can
advance
the
discussion.
Okay,
I
think
this
has
been
a
good
exercise.
It's
raised
some
questions
and
answers
and
things
we
need
to
get
further
research
on,
but
I
have
enough
to
bring
back
to
you
in
two
weeks
the
skeleton
of
the
law
and
Advance
it
to
from
there
cool.
J
G
It
is
for
25
200
a
year
and
they
cover
all
City
Council
meetings,
the
planning
board
meeting
and
the
zba,
and
this
also
has
in
it
funding
for
them
doing
the
YouTube
videos
that
we
have
and
then
also
there's
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
discretionary
things
like
if
we
do
the
video
on
composting
again
or
on
recycling
or
on
the
plant,
there's
a
little
bit
in
there.
So
we've
had
a
great
experience
with
Pete
and
his
firm,
and
this
is
already
budgeted
and
we
just
need
to
do
a
contract.
G
G
All
right,
A,
Flock
safety
camera
is
a
license
plate
leader
reader,
and
we
talked
about
these
when
we
did
the
2023
operating
budget
they're
in
the
detective's
budget.
This
agreement
is
for
installation
of
the
four
of
four
cameras
at
the
four
entry
points
to
the
city
and
then
for
Hardware
software
and
tech
support.
This
amount
is
for
two
years
so
we're
going
to
try.
We
would
try
this
out
for
two
years.
It
gives
us
a
60-day
option
to
cancel
I
know
that
some
of
you
have
asked
previously
about
how
long
we
keep
that
data.
G
G
That's
that's
fine.
We
usually
know
like
the
last
times
we've
used.
This
were
with
Major
Crimes,
where
we're
within
a
day
going
to
other
entities
that
have
these
cameras
and
asking
what
they
have
like.
We
often
will
go
to
the
bridge
Authority
for
their
cameras.
We've
gone
I
think
once
to
Cold
Spring
So
within
24
to
48
hours,
where
we
know
we're
needing
to
know
who's
coming
out
in
and
out,
yeah.
G
J
E
B
E
So
the
city
has
done
this
in
the
past.
You
did
it
last
year,
when
you
approved
the
budget
this
year
we
did
not,
and
so
basically
you
know
if
the
city
approves
contract
like
our
legal
bills,
you've
approved
us
you've
authorized
us,
you
have
a
retention
agreement.
The
administrator
can
pay
those
bills.
If,
however,
the
light
fixture
needs
to
be
replaced,
the
generator
goes
down
or
a
piece
of
electric
equipment
needs
to
be
done.
That's
not
specifically
within
the
budget.
E
So
the
administrator
has
a
line
item
for
repair
that
he
can
use,
but
he
doesn't
have
the
authority
on
the
the
way
the
charter
is
written.
So
this
local
law
allows
the
administrator
to
administer
the
budget
in
accordance
with
the
items
where
you've
appropriated
funds
and
we've
set
for
fair
dollar
amounts
of
that,
and
it's
into
three
categories:
General
Commodities
paper,
towels
light
bulbs,
things
of
that
nature.
Up
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
above
twenty
thousand
dollars,
state
law
says
we
have
to
come
to
you
for
bids.
E
Like
computers,
for
example,
the
other
would
be
contract
for
services
for
labor
and
construction
exceeding
thirty.
Five
thousand
dollars
would
go
to
you
to
the
council
under
thirty
five
thousand
dollars.
The
administrator
has
the
authority
to
pay
for
that
out
of
the
approved,
budgeted
items,
so
Street
repair
has
something
has
to
be
patched
immediately.
He
hasn't
afforded
to
go
in
compliance
with
your
procurement
policy,
which
requires
you
get
at
least
if
it's
say
twenty
thousand
dollars.
You'd
have
to
get
three
quotes
from
that.
E
E
So
long
as
it's
consistent
with
the
appropriation
policy
which
requires
some
via
quotes
in
an
amount
for
twenty
thousand
dollars.
So
this
just
creates
that
sort
of
safety
valve
in
case
the
state
controller
comes
down.
Does
in
order
to
establish
that
the
city
administrator
has
the
A40
from
the
council
to
approve
those
purchases
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping.
If
you
will.
G
D
G
J
G
Yes,
you
know:
I
I
wrote
down
a
couple
examples,
because
I
thought
it's
always
good
to
have
an
example.
So,
on
the
services
like
we
have
an
HVAC
contract
for
the
highway
garage,
that's
sixteen
thousand
dollars,
and
rather
than
bring
that
to
you,
I
would
be
fully
able
to
to
sign
that
because
we
complied
with
our
procurement
and
and
then
it's
under
20
000
and
it's
budgeted
on
construction
Public
Works
projects.
G
If
we
do
additional
striping,
for
instance,
like
let's
say,
we've,
we've
talked
about
doing
diagonal,
striping
on
Henry
place
and
I
go
and
get
a
cost
estimate
for
four
thousand
dollars.
Rather
than
having
to
bring
that
here.
We
could
do
that
and
then
the
other.
The
final
category
I
was
thinking
of
professional
fees,
because
we
we're
doing
survey,
work
and
oftentimes.
That's
just
a
few
thousand
dollars.
We
have
it
in
the
line
for
the
engineer,
but
I
actually
have
to
sign
a
contract
for
them
to
do
the
work.
G
E
You're
not
approving
music
purchase
orders
are
typically
filled
up
by
the
department
heads
Director
of
Finance
Susan,
Tucker
reviews
It.
Ultimately,
the
final
approval
signature
is
from
the
city
administrator,
so
it
goes
for
a
number
of
steps.
You're
just
granting
the
city
administrator
the
authority
to
to
administer
these
right.
E
Not
shy,
no,
it's
not
and
I
did
email
to
the
council
tonight
a
copy
of
her
procurement
policy.
When
you
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
email,
New
York
state
law
says
you
need
to
review
it.
You've
reviewed
it
that
it
did
last
year,
so
just
send
it
to
you
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
let
us
know
but
other
than
if
you're
fine
with
it
you've
completed
your
review
and
that's
sufficient
to
comply
with
the
law.
E
D
A
C
A
H
D
B
E
So
this
is
the
tax
or
settlement
for
the
hydroelectric
facility,
commonly
known
as
the
groveville
hydroelectric
facility
located
at
10
Front
Street
enl
of
North
America
is
the
is
the
the
owner
and
operator
and
they
challenge
their
tax
assessment
for
years.
2021
and
2022,
the
State
Office
of
Real
Property
Services,
provides
an
appraisal
that
came
that's
how
Kathy
derived
at
her
amount
at
600
and
I'm.
Sorry
780,
80,
000
right
and
they
challenged
it.
E
They
provided
some
proven
documentation
with
some
questions,
were
they
disputed
the
appraisal
from
the
state
and
through
some
discussions
and
settlement
conferences
with
the
corporate
judge.
Brands
as
negotiated
settlement
was
reached,
the
625
625
000,
revised
assessment
is
higher
than
what
it's
been
in
Prior
years
when
they
challenged
you
back
in
2019
when
it
was
about
440
000.
E
So
this
would
reduce
the
assessment
in
each
of
the
two
years
from
780
000
to
620
000,
resulting
in
a
city
refund
of
taxes
of
three
thousand
one
hundred
and
seventy
two
dollars
County
refund
of
about
eleven
hundred
dollars,
School
refund
of
about
fifty
seven
hundred
dollars
and
Library
tax
refund
of
a
hundred
and
seventy
dollars,
and
so
it's
a
recommendation
from
our
office
as
well
as
from
Kathy
Martin
met.
This
resolution
be
accepted.
G
G
Yes
and
she
raised
it,
because
the
state
gave
an
assessed
value
and
apparently
what
happened
is
they
do
it
based
on
net
revenue?
It's
an
income
producing
property
and
they
had
missed
some
number
in
in
the
whole
calculation.
So
they
gave
us
too
high
a
number
and
then
Kathy
was
able
to
work
out
along
with
Judd
from
Keenan
Bean.
The
625
could
have
gone
lower
like
we.
If
we
had
gone
to
court,
we
could
go
back
to
the
440.,
so
we
figured
you
know,
go
with
what
we
got
here
right.