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From YouTube: Beacon Workshop 4-3-23
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The City of Beacon Council Workshop from April 3, 2023
A
A
B
C
A
A
debate
as
to
like
which
ones
can
be
replaced
and
who
can
replace
them
anyway.
I
won't
belabor
the
details,
but
I
I
just
thought
I'd
introduce
that
okay,
so
we've
got
an
A
I've
got
a
workshop.
Ren
is
absent
and
also
Dan.
Amar
Blair
is
absent
for
good
reasons
and
we'll
start
up.
Everyone
else
looks
to
be
here.
A
We
have
John
Clark,
we
have
our
city
administrator,
Chris
White,
and
we
have
Nick
Ward
Willis,
our
City
attorney
and
Christian
Gates,
our
City
attorney
filling
the
very
big
shoes
of
Drew
camels.
Welcome,
let's
start
up.
First
item
is
the
important
the
appointment
of
Tom
Lucchesi
to
the
position
of
fire
chief
Chris
and
the
chief.
Are
you
going
to
do
this
I'm.
B
B
Maybe
I
had
pronounced
it
wrong
and
in
your
packet
you
have
both
a
copy
of
Tom's
resume
and
a
memo
from
me.
We,
we
did
have
a
discussion
last
week
where
you
were
able
to
ask
questions.
What
we've
done
is
we've
asked
Tom
to
come
tonight
to
give
a
brief
introduction
of
himself
and
then
we
would
hope
that
we
could
vote
him
in
next
week
and
swear
him
in
so
that
he
can
begin
the
transition.
B
Now
Gary
is
going
to
stay
with
the
city
for
some
amount
of
time
to
help
with
the
transition
and
with
the
firehouse,
but
he's
been
more
than
generous
already
in
the
time
that
he
stayed
and
I
just
before.
We
start
talking
about
Tom
want
to
thank
Gary
for
his
incredible
service
over
the
last
eight
years
to
the
city
and
for
giving
us
generously
extra
months
to
help
with
the
transition.
B
D
You
good
evening
again,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council,
the
mayor
and
administrator
once
again
for
allowing
me
introduce
myself
this
evening.
My
name
is
Tom
mccasey
with
me
this
evening
is
my
wife
Elizabeth
and
my
two
children,
Thomas
and
TJ,
quite
honestly,
without
their
support,
I
would
not
be
here
tonight,
so
I'll
make
sure
I
recognize
them.
I've.
D
To
the
fire
service,
I
started
about
12
years
old
hanging
around
the
local
volunteer,
Firehouse
riding
my
bicycle
with
fire
calls
Quinn
stetley,
that's
what
my
son
Landing
is
doing
now
started.
I
joined
the
fire
department.
I
was
16
years
old,
I
spent
26
years
there.
So
far.
Through
that
time,
I've
progressed
through
the
ranks
to
be
chief
of
the
department
and,
quite
honestly,
once
again
it
would
not
be
where
I
am
if
it
was
not.
For
my
start
in
a
volunteer
fire
fire
department,
I
will
admit
it's
extremely
hard.
D
Dedicating
your
time
to
a
volunteer
fire
department,
I'm
sure
my
wife's
shaking
her
head
back
there,
because
she
sees
the
dedication
that
it
takes
to
be
an
active
member.
There
I'm
as
active
today
as
I,
was
when
I
was
16
years
old,
which
is
not
easy
to
do,
became
a
emergency
medical
technician
before
I,
even
graduated
high
school,
when
I
graduated
high
school
I
used
to
work
the
ambulance
at
night
and
go
to
school
during
the
day,
I've
been
a
code
enforcement
officer
since
2002.
D
working
as
a
fire
inspector
for
the
10
news
or
fire
inspector's
office
at
first
full-time
and
then
part-time
I
asked
everyone
in
the
audience
to
think
back.
When
you
were
a
child
oftentimes,
you
react
to
what
you
want
to
be
when
you
grow
up
typical
answers,
maybe
an
astronaut,
a
teacher.
My
answer
was
always
I
want
to
be
a
firefighter.
That's
all
I
ever
wanted
to
be
in
2007
I
was
able
to
fulfill
my
lifelong
dream
and
become
a
career
firefighter
with
the
city
Newburgh
Fire
Department.
D
Through
my
time
there
I
was
promoted
several
times
from
Lieutenant
to
Captain
to
finally
assistant
chief,
which
I
am
today.
I
have
to
say
I
say
my
time.
There
I
feel
very
grateful
for
and
I
always
kept
in
mind
what
it
felt
like
the
very
first
day.
I
walked
through
the
door
to
the
Firehouse
I
felt
extremely
fortunate
being
able
to
live
out
my
life
for
a
long
dream
every
day.
Since
then,
every
time
I
walk
through
the
doors
of
the
firehouse.
D
Moving
on
from
fire
department,
I'm
a
small
business
owner
as
well
I
started
my
own
business
in
2012..
First
is
the
safety
Consulting
business
over
that
time?
It's
sort
of
morphed
into
I.
Now,
contract
with
volunteer
fire
departments,
I'm
an
administrative
task
either
as
a
purchasing
agent
or
a
district
administrator
I
just
recently
received
a
contract
acting
as
a
clerk
of
works
for
a
22
million
dollar
new
Firehouse
construction
project.
D
As
a
volunteer
firefighter
over
the
last
26
27
years,
I've
seen
the
struggles
that
volunteer
fire
departments
face
over
that
Time
Manpower
has
dwindled
it's
much
harder
for
firefighters
or
for
fire
departments
to
find
volunteers
to
dedicate
their
time.
It's
not
just
a
local
problem.
It's
not
a
state
problem.
It's
a
problem
found
throughout
the
United
States
I
know.
Beacon
is
no
different
than
that.
D
You
know
over
the
last
20
years,
they've
had
a
decline
in
volunteers.
It's
a
big
problem.
The
state
he's
trying
to
address
that
and
there's
no
real
easy
answer
for
that.
Unfortunately,
it's
now
common
for
volunteer
fire
departments
not
too
able
not
to
be
able
to
respond
to
particles
all
right,
which
unfortunately
is
much
more
common
than
it
used
to
be.
D
There's
now
volunteer
fire
departments
that
are
now
talking
about
or
have
went
to
getting
Career
Staffing
to
supplement
your
volunteers
just
locally
in
Dutchess
County,
there's
Vol
or
a
combination,
fire
departments
that
have
doubled
their
Staffing
in
the
last
10
years.
I
know
Beacon
has
tried,
has
been
trying
to
set
up
first
success
by
increasing
their
Staffing
and
trying
to
do
different
things
to
increase
their
recruitment
of
volunteer
members.
I
do
feel
under
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
and
chief
van
Voris.
D
This
includes
continuing
to
professionalize
the
department
in
transition
to
a
central
fire
station,
as
Chief
I
plan,
to
continue
to
increase
voluntary
recruitment
efforts
to
hopefully
bolster
the
ranks
of
volunteer
firefighters,
as
Chief
I
promised
the
council,
the
mayor,
both
the
volunteer
and
career
members
of
the
City
Beacon
Fire
Department.
More
importantly,
the
residents
of
the
City
Beacon
I
will
pick
up
where
Chief
Van
Morris
left
off.
D
B
As
I
mentioned
to
the
council
and
executive
session
last
night,
Tom
will
be
coming
on
with
us
part
time
in
the
beginning,
so
we're
appointing
him
provisionally
he's
taken
the
civil
service
test
to
be
eligible
for
the
position.
We
hope
that
test
will
come
out.
The
scores
will
be
released
this
summer
and
it's
about
the
same
time
that
he'll
be
retiring
from
the
city
of
Newburgh
in
his
assistant
chief
job.
B
A
B
B
A
A
F
F
E
F
Though
it's
called
an
overlay
Zone,
the
restrictions
in
it
are
such
that
only
one
plot
in
the
city
can
qualify
more
or
less.
They
have
things
in
there
that
has
to
be
a
building
over
50
years
old
and
does
not
allow
new
construction
and
and
has
a
very
low
sort
of
suburban
scale
for
units
per
acre
development
potential.
So
it
really
doesn't
work
as
a
senior
affordable
housing
overlay
other
than
it
was
useful
when
they
wanted
to
convert
the
hospital
to
Highland
Meadows.
F
So
I
was
set
up
for
that,
but
it's
on
as
an
overlay,
District,
there's
no
reason
you
couldn't
change
some
of
the
basic
parameters
of
the
district
very
easily.
You
know
take
a
dozen
or
so
changes
and
you
could
make
it
available
for
any
lot
of
any
size.
You
want
in
the
in
the
city,
so
I
listed
some
of
the
really
basic
things.
You'd
want
to
change.
F
First
of
all
make
allow
new
construction,
not
just
adaptive,
use
of
an
existing
building
over
50
years
old,
substantially
increase
the
allowable
units
per
acres,
for
instance,
to
what's
allowed
currently
in
the
GB
District
reduce
the
required
project
size
right
now.
You
have
to
have
a
minimum
20.
Well,
there's
no
reason
you
couldn't
apply
this
to
a
small
scale
lot
and
put
in
five
or
ten
senior
affordable
housing
units
and
make
it
more
flexible
for
some
of
the
smaller
lots
that
are
available
in
the
city
really
lower
the
required
parking
standard
right
now.
F
It's
1.2
spaces
per
unit
everywhere
else
in
the
city.
If
you
build
senior
housing,
it's
0.66
spaces
per
unit.
So
it's
like
double
what
you
need
and
I
don't
understand
why
that
got
adopted
other
than
Highland
Meadows
had
a
lot
of
parking
lot
already,
so
they
just
put
it
in
there.
I
would
suggest
decreasing
the
eligible
age
limit
right
now
at
62.
F
You
could
bring
it
down
to
55
or
60
or
something
the
point
is
and
make
it
more
flexible,
so
use
solicit
proposals
from
willing
developers
who
are
interested
in
building
senior,
affordable
housing
right
now.
The
percentage
of
the
area
meeting
income
is
100
percent
I
would
suggest
again
bring
it
down
to
70
or
80,
so
you
target
lower
income
residents
and
finally
to
eliminate
this
requirement
for
a
special
permit
from
the
city
council.
F
So
since
the
city
first
has
to
declare
it
as
in
your
housing
overlay
Zone,
so
you've
already
gone
through
the
approval
process
by
the
council
in
the
rezoning
process.
So
why
do
you
have
to
have
a
special
permit?
On
top
of
that?
It
just
delays
the
factor
and
makes
some
people
think
that
well
I
go
all
through
all
this
Hassle
and
then
and
I
get
my
special
permit,
because
the
neighbors
complain
or
whatever.
F
G
A
A
Believe
so,
and
it
was
really,
it
looks
very
tailored
to
that
site.
I
mean
four
per
acre
is
it
would
be
silly
almost
anywhere
else
in
the
city,
but
that
site
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
room
had
a
lot
of
parking.
This
is
clearly
tailored
for
that
site.
It
makes
a
ton
of
sense.
You
were
around
for
some
of
this.
What
do
you
think
of
this?
Well.
H
The
city,
no,
it
makes
it
makes
sense
and
I'm
glad
you
kind
of
dug
this
up
and
brushed
it
off
and
took
a
fresh
look
at
it,
because
I
think
it
can
be
applied
on
smaller
scale
and
with
looser
restrictions
and
I
think
that
that's
would
serve
part
of
our
community.
That
I
think
is
underserved.
Certainly.
F
A
F
This
parcel
would
be
specially
zoned
for
the
senior
housing
overlay
District
and
the
developer
could
get
it
rezoned
and
then,
therefore
you
would
get
it
all
out
for
multi-family
housing
within
one
of
the
R1
districts
or
even
the
Rd
districts
that
have
you
know.
A
lot
of
the
Rd
districts
are
allowed
multi-family,
but
they're
5,
000
square
foot
per
unit,
10
000
square
foot.
F
So
I
looked
at
four
and
these
are
just
sample
Parcels,
that
I
pulled
off
to
the
parcel
access.
I
I
have
no
idea
whether
they're,
willing
or
interested
or
anything
about
these,
whether
there's
environmental
impacts
that
couldn't
be
handled
or
whatever,
but
just
to
show
how
it
might
work
on
four
sample
Parcels
of
varying
sizes.
So
the
first
one
is
the
Elks
bar.
So
everybody
probably
knows
where
that
is
on
the
corner
of
Walcott
teranda.
F
3.9
Acres
about
half
of
it
is
you
used
by
the
Elks.
Half
of
it
is
a
big
lawn,
so
it's
in
the
R15
District.
It
would
be
capable
of
having
16
units
single-family
homes,
whether
you
can
fit
16
5
000
square
foot
Lots
on
there
I'm,
not
so
sure,
but
that's
what
the
zoning
would
allow
if
you,
for
instance,
change
the
the
single
senior
affordable
housing
overlay
Zone
to
allow
houses
with
the
same
development
potential
is
in
the
transitional
District,
which
is
2500
units
per
square
feet
per
acre
by
per
unit.
F
You'd
get
33
units
capable
of
being
put
on
that
parcel,
and
if
you
went
to
the
same
development
potential
as
in
the
GB
District,
you
could
go
up
to
56
units
per
acre.
So
on
that
one
parcel
you
could
put
50
some
units
of
senior
affordable
housing
with
an
easy
walking
distance
of
Main
Street
and
the
Elks
would
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
some
of
their
land
for
beneficial
purposes.
F
The
other
ones
I,
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
keep
going
on
this,
but
I
showed
Hedgewood,
which
is
an
existing
assisted
senior
facility
out
on
Fishkill
Avenue.
It's
got
6.1
Acres,
it's
got
some
environmental
impacts
on
the
a
quarter
of
the
parcel
or
so,
but
you
can
still
build
on
the
Highland
behind
and
then
again
there
you
could
fit,
for
instance,
53
units
or
87
units,
depending
on
what
sort
of
development
potential
you're
interested
in
allowing
on
these
parcels.
F
Up
on
the
hill
above
the
Hebrew
Alliance
off
for
plank
Avenue,
that's
1.2
Acres
there.
You
could
build
on
any
part
of
that
lot,
except
maybe
the
steep
slopes
along
the
western
edge
and
you
could
get
say,
20
to
34
units
on
that
property.
Depending
on
how
how
dense
you
would
protect
the
permit,
the
development
to
be
and
then
finally
even
a
smaller
lot.
This
is
0.31
Acres.
It's
a
vacant
lot
at
the
corner
of
Chestnut
and
church
right
now.
It's
in
the
transitional
District!
F
You
get
five
units,
you
could
get
multi-family
there
already,
but
if
you
allowed
it
at
the
same
density
as
the
general
business
district,
you
get
nine
units
and
that
might
make
it
more
apt
to
be
an
attractive
developer
with
enough
economies
of
scale
to
put
in
a
multi-family
development
on
even
that
small
parcel.
So
there's
opportunities
in
the
city.
F
If
the
city
was
really
looking
for
it,
affordable
housing
options
for
seniors,
you
could
change.
The
zoning
law
allow
the
same
sort
of
density
that
you
have
in
the
general
business
district
and
you
could
negotiate
with
potential
landowners
to
come
in
with
a
proposal
for
the
senior
affordable
housing
overlay.
District.
C
H
Only
and
it
might
lead
to
other
points
that
John
you
may
make
later,
but
in
terms
of
the
actual
like,
if
they
were
to
be
built,
these
senior
units
could
you
with?
Where
would
you
put
it
in
if
you
would,
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
less
traditional
design
like
where
there's
smaller
units
shared
kitchens,
things
like
that,
would
that
be
in
the
actual
zoning
language.
F
C
C
F
H
Yeah
I
know
it's
becoming
a
popular
design
as
these
micro
units
in
the
cities
and
various
other
Urban
environments,
where
it's
it's
appealing
to
a
lot
of
people,
because
they
don't
want
to
have
the
big
house,
the
big
Studio,
the
big
kitchen.
That's
never
used
right
so
as
much
as
we
can
encourage
that
kind
of
development.
I
think
would
also
open
up
opportunities.
Yeah.
F
H
C
I
F
You
can
actually
take
the
senior
housing
overlay
district
and
make
it
more
flexible
and
just
make
it
an
affordable
housing
overlay
district
with
a
senior
component.
If
there's
you
know
people
over
that
age
and
they
want
to
Target
it,
you
would
have
a
subset
of
the
regulations
apply
to
them.
If
there
were
needed
to
be
any
extra
Provisions
in
terms
of
accessibility
and
things
like
that,.
B
And
Molly,
when
we
were
talking
about
it,
one
of
the
one
of
the
reasons
we
we
thought
we'd
put
Senior
Housing
forward
is
because
it
generally
has
less
of
an
impact
than
broader
housing.
The
scene,
these
the
seniors,
tend
to
have
no
or
many
fewer
children
like
if
they
haven't
adoptee
they
might
you
know
if,
if
we
lowered
the
age
to
55,
you
might
still
have
some
but
you're
you're,
not
adding
a
lot
of
capacity
to
the
school
need.
B
Well,
the
need
for
parking
is
much
less
and
then
the
other
thing
is:
there's
not
a
lot
of
units
that
are
adapted
for
older
people.
So,
like
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
living
in
their
homes
and
they
might
be
willing
to
put
those
homes
on
the
market
if
they
had
a
readily
adaptable,
accessible
apartment.
That
hadn't
I,
don't
know
an
elevator
or
grab
bars
wide
enough
doors
so
that
they
could
age
in
place
and
they
didn't
have
to
leave.
F
People
are
getting
rid
of
parking
standards
over
200
communities,
cities
around
the
country
have
eliminated
parking
requirements
altogether
and
just
require
require
people
to
come
to
the
planning
board
and
say
what
they
need
and
have
a
parking
study
to
show
what's
necessary
and
how
they're
going
to
limit
the
parking
demand.
So
so
it
gives
the
encouragement
right
now.
You
know
you
think
about
our
values.
F
What
what
sort
of
values
we
have
when
parking
is
mandatory
for
every
use
in
the
city
and
is
almost
always
free,
whereas
housing
for
people
is
very
expensive
and
has
all
sorts
of
restrictions
that
prevent
you
from
building
it
density
restrictions,
all
the
rest
of
it?
Why
is
management
parking
mandatory?
F
So
we
require
every
building
in
the
city
to
be
quite
dependent,
and
then
it
opens
up
the
project
for
criticism
that
is
going
to
cause
traffic
impacts
because
of
all
the
parking
spaces.
So
a
lot
of
communities
have
looked
at
this,
especially
ones
with
good
accessibility.
Good
walk
scores,
good
Transit,
most
of
Beacon
is
walkable.
You
can
get
almost
everywhere.
You
need
there's
a
grocery
store
within
walking
distance
of
most
people,
there's
e-bikes
and
all
sorts
of
Mobility
options
these
days.
F
So
the
point
being
is
many
communities
and
I
looked
it
up
in
in
just
the
Northeast.
Hudson
has
eliminated
all
parking
requirements,
Hartford
Buffalo,
Boston,
Bridgeport
and
Burlington,
just
in
the
Northeast
and
a
lot
of
places
just
do
it
in
the
central
business
district,
because
there's
on-street
parking
and
public
lots
available.
They
still
required
elsewhere,
but
in
the
Central
Business
districts,
Syracuse,
Schenectady,
Ithaca,
Rochester,
Scranton
and
Brattleboro
all
have
eliminated
parking
in
their
Central
Business
districts
as
a
requirement.
F
Now
you
can
eliminate
it
I
think
that's
worth
discussing,
but
you
could
also
cut
it
back
a
lot.
You
can
cut
it
in
half
and
you'd
probably
still
have
enough
parking
for
everybody
who
needs
it
and
it
would
you
know
some
communities
are
even
requiring
developers
to
unbundle
the
cost
of
parking
from
Rent
so
that
you're
charged
a
separate
fee
for
a
parking
space
and
a
separate
treatment.
So
it
reduces
your
rent
almost
automatically
unless
you
have
the
two
cars
or
whatever
the
requirement
is
under
the
code.
F
J
You
know
I,
anecdotally,
understand
that
while
there
are
Transit
alternate
Transit
options
in
Beacon,
they
are
not
necessarily
adequate
to
fully
replace
the
vehicle
for
many
people
right
and
so
I'm
curious.
If
there's
a
way
to
look
at
this
and
and
I
defer
to
you
on
what
exactly
the
mechanism
to
be
to
look
at
this
would
be
of.
F
B
J
B
And
we
are
working
with
Duchess
strands
that
try
to
expand
hours,
expand
days
and
optimize
routes.
So
again,
that's
a
management
issue.
How
you
design
the
community
is
is
fundamental
to
weather.
Transit
can
work
because
if
you
don't
have
the
density,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
support
Transit
when
you
have
density
and
that's
why,
like
the
governor,
is
proposing
to
do
Transit
oriented
development
which
I
know
John
is
going
to
talk
about.
A
So
yeah
my
first
reaction
listening
to
this
is:
why
do
we
have
any
parking
requirements
at
all,
I'm
I'd
be
think
it
would
be
okay,
not
to
have
any
I
mean.
Obviously,
if
you're
doing
construction,
part
of
the
planning
process
will
be.
What
do
you
think
the
parking
is?
How
are
you
going
to
do
that,
but
imposing
the
requirement
up
front
I,
just
don't
see
the
point
anymore.
So.
F
Well,
that's
Buffalo,
for
instance,
did
this
several
years
ago
and
what
they
found
is
that
number
of
parking
spaces
went
down,
something
like
30
or
40
percent.
I
can't
remember
what
the
number
is.
So
don't
quote
me
on
that
one,
but
it
went
down
substantially
and
they've
had
no
problems
and
what
they
do
is
if
there's
any
major
development
that
comes
in
they,
they
have
them,
do
a
parking
and
Transit
traffic
study
and
they
go
through.
F
Well,
how
can
you
cut
down
the
number
of
audience
so
they
they
shape
the
development
to
provide
Alternatives
as
part
of
the
development,
so
they
say
well.
Can
you
put
in
a
bike
room
for
bike
storage?
Can
you
is
it
within
so
many
feet
of
a
transit
route
and
they
they
come
up
with
a
logical
and
most
developers
will
not
build
something.
If
it's
going
to
be
a
problem
for
their
tenants,
they
require
enough
parking
to
meet
their
needs.
F
G
F
Rate
I
I,
my
suggestion
is
at
the
very
least
you
do
eliminate
the
parking
for
designated
affordable
units
lower
it's
for
seniors
in
particular,
and
lowered
for
other
multi-family,
because
right
now
it's
you
require
over
parking
for
now
we're
just.
The
planning
board
is
just
working
on
a
project
up
in
groveville
Mills,
a
new
proposal
with
28
housing
units
and
so
many
square
feet
of
Studio
space,
and
we
found
that
it
was
just
overwhelming.
The
number
of
parking
spaces
are
required
in
the
Zoning
for
up
there.
A
A
B
F
Yeah
I
tried
to
find
under
the
senses
how
many
cars
people
have
on
average
they
do
that
the
closest
I
came
was
in
The
Five-Year
ACS
latest.
One
said
that
28
of
the
city
has
only
one
or
zero
cars
available
in
the
in
the
household.
So
there's
a
substantial
number
of
households
in
Beacon
that
don't
have
cars
or
only
have
one
car,
and
yet
every
single
family
house
has
to
have
two
parking
spaces
on
their
subdivision
plan.
G
K
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
spaces
in
Beacon
where
it
makes
sense
to
remove
the
parking
requirement.
I
mean
places
that
are
like
close
to
Main
Street
places
closer
to
the
west
side
of
Beacon
near
the
transit
lines
Etc.
But
then,
when
you
you
get
over
toward
the
East
I
think
it
gets
a
little
more
complicated
and
I.
Don't
think
we
shouldn't
reduce
any
parking
at
all,
but
I
don't
know
I
think
there
might
be.
K
It
might
make
sense
to
have
some
parking
requirements
and
some
areas
of
Beacon,
because
I
know
there
are
some
council
members
houses
that
I
will
not
walk
to,
because
that
is
too
far
and
I
love,
walking,
I
I,
don't
have
a
car
and
so
I
I
love
being
able
to
walk
wherever
I
want
to
go
and
Beacon.
But
at
the
same
time
there
are
some
places
that
even
I
find
a
little
too
far
in
Beacon
to
go
and
I.
K
F
I
Have
you
heard
of
any
municipalities
either
on
their
own
or
through
Partnerships,
with
developers
who
have
encouraged
Rideshare
programs
as
a
kind
of
means
in
between
that?
At
least
it's
not
a
private
car
ownership.
But
it's
still
based
on
the
idea
that
you
need
a
car
to
get
to
a
lot
of
places.
Yeah.
F
There's
there
was
an
article
just
recently:
I
have
it
here
if
anybody's
interested
in
Charlotte
and
in
Houston
of
all
places
they're
allowing
car
free
projects
to
be
approved
as
long
as
they've
come
up
with
alternative
methodologies
to
deal
with
people's
Transit
Transportation
needs,
and
so
it's
self-selection.
The
tenant
goes
in
there
and
says
I'm
willing
to
be
without
a
car.
F
There's
no
parking
space
for
me,
but
I'm
going
to
get
10
or
15
off
the
rent
compared
to
everywhere
else
in
the
city
and
that
to
me
that
makes
sense,
and
these
places
are
leasing
up,
they're
being
successful.
Well,
there's
enough
of
a
track
record
to
show
that
it
can
work.
So
you
certainly
in
certain
specific
locations
in
particular,
you
could
do
car
free
development
and
and
on
lots
that
can't
support
parking
lots,
there's
a
lot
of
them
and
the
tenants
will
understand
that
when
they
sign
the
lease.
J
F
I
wondered
that
myself,
actually
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
I
could
zone
for
that,
but
in
San
Francisco
they've
apparently
do
that.
Maybe
it's
on
projects
that
specialized
projects
that
has
have
Council
approval
or
something
like
that
they
they
require
it
as
a
condition
but
I'll
have
to
dig
into,
but
certainly
it's
a
strategy
that
works
yeah.
K
F
You
know
on
Wednesdays,
there's
no
parking
problem
in
Beacon
and
that's
because
the
residents
are
here
on
Wednesdays,
it's
on
weekends,
where
there's
specialized
holidays
and
those
sorts
of
things
where
the
big
parking
Crest.
So
it's
actually
visitors
who
are
creating
the
big
parking
problems,
not
residents,
so
we're
requiring
residents
to
have
extra
parking.
Yeah
is
not
the
cause
of
of
or
the
solution
for,
parking
issues
on
the
weekends.
K
B
And-
and
we
are
just
so-
the
public
knows
also
working
on
the
parking
issue
with
people
that
visit
so
once
the
firehouse
is
done.
We're
going
to
have
52
public
spots
there
that
can
be
utilized
on
the
West
End
we're
in
negotiations
for
another
lot
on
the
East
End
and
and
we're
going
to
go
lot
by
lot,
that
that
are
underutilized
and
see.
If
we
can
make
arrangements
for
those
to
become
public
parking.
B
There
are
lots
that
you
see
empty
all
week,
maybe
one
day
a
week,
they're
fulfilled
they're
filled
and
then
so
so
we
have
some
work
to
do
on
that
and
then
we're
also
painting
parking
stalls
on
all
of
the
perpendicular
streets
to
Main
Street
over
the
next
two
years
per
the
Main
Street
access
committee.
A
lot
of
people
don't
know
that
they
can
park
on
those
side
roads
and
once
we
Mark
that
a
they'll
know
they
can
park
there
and
B
it'll
be
more
efficiently
laid
out.
So
we
are
trying
to
address
that.
G
F
Three
is
identify
opportunities
for
additional
Rd
districts
right
now
you
have
our
Rd
districts
throughout
the
city,
but
they're
all
built
out
or
under
construction.
So
there's
the
city
council
could
put
the
word
out
that
you're
interested
on
say
those
four
Parcels
I
showed
or
any
other
parcel
where
there's
a
potential
for
more
development.
F
People
that
are
tuning
in
what
does
it
actually
stand
for
residential
density
or
something
yeah
yeah,
actually
a
multi-family
Zone.
That
is
like
a
overlay
Zone
that
can
be
placed
anywhere
in
the
city
and
there's
a
variety
of
different
Rd
districts
at
all
different
numbers
of
square
feet
per
unit
and
just
like,
for
instance,
what
you
suggested.
F
L
F
The
Rd
districts,
you
have
to
go
through
a
rezoning
process
to
get
the
council
to
change
it
from
a
R1
District
to
an
RD
District
to
allow
multi-family
homes.
But
then
also
you
have
to
go
through
a
special
permit
process
with
the
city
council.
And
then
you
have
to
go
to
the
planning
board
for
a
site
plan
process
and
usually
the
way
it
works.
Because
planning
board
does
most
seeker.
And
is
you
get
passed
back
and
forth
between
the
two
boards?
So.
F
F
It
just
eliminates
one
more
step
in
the
process,
which
is
a
discouragement
for
doing
these
sorts
of
affordable
housing
and
housing
projects
in
general,
and
all
that
means
is
in
the
use
table.
You
would
take
off
asterisks
and
it
would
make
a
big
difference
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
go
for
these
sorts
of
things,
because
they
know
that
the
process
is
so
onerous.
That
involves
so
many
steps
that
there's
he
would
put
out
a
lot
of
money
and
time
and
consultant
expertise
and
may
get
turned
down.
F
F
F
So
the
only
places
they're
allowed
is
in
the
T
District
in
the
Rd
districts
and
the
Rd
districts.
It's
unlikely
to
have
a
two
family
dwelling.
So
so
that
would
be
one
option.
They
have
low
impacts,
they're,
not
much
different
than
a
single-family
home
in
appearance
and
other
than
maybe
an
extra
car
in
the
driveway
that
you
usually
can't
tell
the
difference
between
our
two
family
and
a
one
family
home,
and
it
would
allow
a
lot
of
people
who
want
to
age
in
place.
F
For
instance,
they
have
a
house
in
a
residential
district
and
they
they
can't
make
the
stairs
anymore
and
they
have
a
bedroom
downstairs.
They
could
live
on
the
first
floor,
rent
out
the
second
floor,
make
it
a
two-family
home
with
only
the
change
in
you,
know
the
mailbox
and
you
and
maybe
an
extra
parking
space,
but
that's
not
allowed
by
zoning
right
now.
Three
family
homes
are
essentially
gone
out
of
style.
F
F
F
F
The
argument
is:
is
that
the
more
housing
you
have
it
the
it
filters
down
and
and
creates
more
affordable
housing
opportunities,
because
the
people
have
the
money
they're
not
competing
for
the
same
housing
stock
they'll
go
into
the
newer
units,
the
more
expensive
units,
so
housing
is
good.
Housing
is
in
short
supply
housing.
F
K
G
F
F
F
F
F
Oh
yeah,
well,
after
okay,
so
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
both
the
2007
and
the
2000
17.,
this
was
shown
as
a
potential
project
in
which
you
could
not
only
put
a
building
along
the
frontage
of
that
corner,
but
also
create
a
green
space
in
a
at
a
Civic
building
where
it'd
be
nice
to
have
a
green
space
and
I've
actually
modified
the
version
that
was
in
the
2017
plan
to
make
it
a
little
more
efficient
in
terms
of
size.
So
I've
cut
down
the
width
of
this
building
and
increased
the
size
of
the
park.
F
And
so
I
redesigned
this
proposal
for
micro
Apartments,
so
that
every
unit,
even
if
it
wasn't
designated
affordable,
would
be
affordable
because
it's
small,
it's
efficient.
It's
designed
for
people
who
don't
have
cars
and
don't
need
a
lot
of
space,
but
want
to
live
in
the
city
of
Beacon
and
use
their
bikes
or
use
their
feet.
F
F
B
But
even
if
you
do
twice
that
you're
doing
something
different
like
some
of
these
units
coming
on
now,
that
are
luxury.
Condos
are
two
two
to
three
thousand
square
feet:
they're
they're
like
a
single
family
home
in
a
condo,
and
that's
why
they
cost
a
million
dollars.
You
know
we're
trying
to
build
a
housing,
that's
not
just
luxury,
but
it's
you
know
it's
nice
housing,
but
it's
not
luxury
and
and
again
going
to
a
smaller
size,
can
help
with
that
and.
F
So
this
is
going
the
Opera,
the
opposite
rate.
Nobody
is
building
anything
close
to
this
in
the
city
and
I
think
there's
a
need-
or
at
least
there's
a
market
for
small
units
that
are
more
efficient
for
people
who
like
to
spend
their
time
outside
and
don't
need
a
lot
of
space.
Don't
need
a
lot
of
upkeep,
don't
need
a
car,
and
so
here's
a
corner
building
that
the
city
and
the
county
could
cooperate
on.
The
county
could
run
the
process
through
the
County
Planning
Department.
F
In
terms
of
doing
the
final
requests
for
proposals
and
working
with
the
developer
and
coming
up
with
the
the
details
of
how
it's
going
to
work
and
how
to
finance
it,
the
city
could
get
a
green
space
out
of
it.
It
could
be
part
of
the
farmers
market,
so
the
green
could
be
designed
to
be
the
sort
of
entry
for
the
farmers
market
where
people
who
don't
have
cars
have
just
tables
could
set
up
in
the
perimeter
of
the
green.
F
And
then
the
people
who
want
to
have
cars
and
trucks
as
part
of
their
displays
would
be
led
back
into
the
back
parking
lot.
So
you
could
work
with
the
farmers
market
to
make
that
green
space
really
usable
for
the
Farmers
Market,
and
it
could
be
designed
to
create
the
sort
of
first
green
space,
public
Green
Space
on
Main
Street.
G
A
C
A
A
C
C
F
Yeah
and
this
would
not
prevent
I
in
the
Main
Street
access
committee.
We
designed
a
parking
structure
for
this
location
that
would
work
with
this
building,
so
you
could
do
it
in
phases.
You
could
build.
First,
live
with
a
surface
parking
lot
until
parking
got
really
intense
if
it
ever
does,
and
then
Deck
Over
the
back
and
and
triple
the
size
of
the
parking
lot
or
at
least
double
it.
F
And
it
works
with
Transit
the
idea
of
creating
these
greens
along
Main
Street,
in
which
you
could
have
a
Transit,
stop
and
bus,
shelter
and
transit
information
and
the
rest
of
it.
So
it's
a
real
opportunity
here.
The
county
owns
it
right
now,
all
the
signs
are
the
governor
is
trying
to
give
away
money
for
housing.
The
the
county
has
set
up
a
trust
fund
and
they're
trying
to
give
away
money
for
housing.
It's
their
own
lot.
Why
wouldn't
they
want
to
do
it?
B
We
think,
if,
if
we're,
if,
if
we
have
consensus,
this
is
something
we
want
to
move
forward
on
and
we
approach
them.
It
might
make
for
an
easy
easy
win
for
somebody
who
only
has
a
brief
time
in
office
left.
Do
you
have
an
interim
County,
Executive
I
understand
he
wants
to
do
some
things
before
he
leaves
at
the
end
of
the
year,
so
it
could
be
a
window
in
which
we
could
get
something
at
least
started.
J
B
Was
never
even
discussed,
I
mean
the
the
two
that
we
there.
There
were
three
spots
that
during
the
study
we
we
talked
about
the
existing
site
and
reinvesting
in
that,
because
you
have
a
lot
of
infrastructure
there
already
in
terms
of
your
Park.
We
we
have
talked
a
little
bit
about
putting
something
at
Memorial
Park
near
the
school,
because
that
makes
sense
you
have
like
those
old
maintenance
buildings
that
aren't
great
looking.
B
You
know,
they're
I'm
sure
we
can
figure
out
smarter
places
to
put
some
of
those
buildings,
and
then
we
people
had
also
mentioned
the
the
lot
on
Matawan
and
verplank.
Now,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
that's
a
green
space,
but
this
never
came
up
as
one
of
those
so
I
just
said,
like
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
the
county
would
go
for
a
community
center
there
and
it
wouldn't
be
our
first
choice
for
a
spot.
F
F
In
terms
of
Staff
time
as
the
Metro
north
parking
lots,
the
17
comprehensive
plan
targeted
the
two
parking
lots
there
that
create
this
big
hole
in
the
front
porch
of
the
city
and
it's
in
zoning.
There's
a
waterfront
development
District.
You
can
see
it
on
the
map.
You're
close
enough.
You
can
see
it
on
the
map.
There's
the
north
parking
lot
was
zone
for
that
purpose,
and
the
south
parking
lot
was
on
for
that
purpose.
F
In
particular,
Metro
North
has
expressed
interest
of
late
of
looking
at
those
again
there's
State
money
out
there
looking
at
Transit
friendly
spots
that
are
within
walking
distance
of
Rail
stations,
and
this
would
be
a
very
easy
parcel
to
develop
in
the
sense
that
it's
very
approximate
to
the
Waterfront
in
the
train
station
and
it's
up
against
the
hill.
So
in
the
comprehensive
plan
it
was
looked
at
as
a
very
low
impact
site
because
it
would
not
block
any
views.
F
F
It
has
an
interesting
South
face
terrorist,
so
I
I
am
here's
a
project
in
the
South
Bronx.
That's
one
all
sorts
of
awards
because
it's
terraced
up
from
the
south
so
in
in
essence,
you
create
a
at
every
level
of
the
Terrace,
as
it
goes
up
that
hill
you
get
a
green
roof
and
so
and
it's
also
lead
gold
rated.
It
has
solar
panels
on
all
those
south
facing
Terraces
that
it
has
over
well
forty
thousand
square
feet
of
green
roof
and
Gardens
built
into
the
development.
F
Because
of
the
way
that
terracing
works
up
the
hill,
and
this
has
the
same
sort
of
configuration
north
to
south
with
the
higher
part
of
the
building
allowed
at
the
North
End.
So
you
would
develop
it
in
that
sort
of
way.
So
there's
all
sorts
of
green
advantages,
walkability
advantages
that
would
bolster
housing
in
the
city
in
a
very
low
impact
area.
F
I
B
We
had
a
discussion
last
year
and
it
sounded
like
they
were
considering
putting
out
an
RFQ
this
spring
okay,
so
it
would
be
what's
called
a
request
for
qualifications
where
they
they
don't
necessarily
need
every
detail
of
The
Proposal,
but
they
say
give
us
your
proposals.
Tell
us
developers
why
you're
qualified
to
do
this.
What
are
the
projects
you've
done?
What
might
you
propose
here
if
we
allow
it
so
I
haven't
touched
back
with
them.
B
A
I,
don't
think
we
were
ready
for
it,
so
the
reaction
from
the
community
I
I
actually
was
absent.
Some
of
that
time,
I
was
up
in
Albany,
but
as
I
understand
the
reaction,
there
was
concern
that
Main
Street,
couldn't
you
know,
wasn't
wasn't
firm
enough.
Yet
there
was
concern
about
height
and
massiveness,
and
so
since
then
we've
done
our
rezoning
and
we
think
the
zoning's
correct
and
in
place
which
is
kind
of
what
John
is
saying
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
cautious
because
Metro
North
might
feel
like.
G
B
I
think
erotoning
very
much
is
in
place.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
it
too,
because
they
did
a
Last
Mile
study
that
they
tried
to
include
us
in
at
the
last
minute
if
they
wanted.
Somebody
in
Duchess
Poughkeepsie
ended
up
not
being
in
the
program
and
then
we
at
like
the
11th
Hour
got
put
in
the
program
and
it
didn't
work
out
so
great
but
I
said.
Look
one
of
the
things
we
wouldn't
be
interested
in
talking
to
you
about
is
the
Tod.
F
Why
would
they
want
to
live
in
Newburgh
or
you
know,
Fishkill
and
drive
to
the
station
and
pay
for
the
extra
parking
they
can
walk
to
the
station
and
be
right
there
and
have
River
views
as
well.
So
the
idea
is
you
replace
the
surface
parking
with
under
building
parking?
You
build
the
housing
on
top
of
two
layers
of
parking
structure
so
that
the
housing
parking
requirements
and
the
commuter
parking
requirements
are
handled
underneath
the
building.
F
H
F
And
this
one
it
was
envisioned
that
the
north
lot,
because
it
is
more
sort
of
removed
and
in
a
somewhat
dead
end
location,
would
be
residential
with
perhaps
commercial
along
the
West
Main
Street
Frontage
and
the
commercial
would
happen
near
the
train
station
on
the
South
Side.
So
if
you
look
at
this
map
down
here
was
envisioned
to
be
mixed
use,
a
more
mixture
of
of
commercial
and
I.
Think
I.
Think
the
estimates
at
the
time
were
something
like
35
000
square
feet
of
commercial.
Perhaps.
C
F
You
build
a
new
train
station
that
would
bridge
over
the
tracks
and
then
come
across
the
top
of
the
parking
levels
in
that
hole
so
that
you
would
have
a
level
Walker,
a
somewhat
level
walk
up
to
Beekman
Street,
a
direct
walk
up
to
Beekman
Street
said
you'd
cut
the
walking
distance
in
half
up
to
Main
Street,
and
it
would
reduce
the
slopes.
You
wouldn't
have
that
big
switch
back
they're
required
to
do.
G
F
F
C
F
F
F
Might
they
might
not
I
I
think
they
would
do
this
in
certain
phases?
You
would
do
the
north
parking
lot.
First,
maybe
the
middle
next
and
then
the
South
after
that,
and
they
own
that
building
I
I,
don't
know
if
they
have
opportunities
elsewhere
to
fill
all
the
maintenance
equipment,
but
there's
opportunities.
Okay,.
A
H
B
Yeah
I
mean
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
pass
in
the
state
budget,
yet
right
but
again,
you're
going
to
have
these
parking
decks
are
not
cheap,
and
so
that
might
be
something
that
the
state
is
willing
to
to
support.
The
other
thing
is
we'd
have
to
extend
and
upgrade
sewer
and
water
to
that
site.
So
hopefully
they
would
do
infrastructure,
usually
they're
doing
infrastructure
for
green
sites.
G
B
And
if
they
do
pass
a
TOD
component,
they're
going
to
be
looking
for
communities
to
work
with
yeah,
and
we
can
I
mean
when
we
did
RFQ
processes
up
in
Ulster
County
with
Surplus
properties.
We
had
we,
we
basically
tell
them
what
we're
willing
to
take.
You
know
so
you,
the
the
host
Community,
can
really
Define.
We
want
affordable
housing.
We
want
mixed
income
mixed
use.
L
And
I
think
with
the
Tod.
What
you're
seeing
now
is
the
competing
interest
from
the
governor
who
is
proposing
something
that
would
mandate
Tod
development
unless
restrictions
versus
the
assembly
in
the
Senate
that
are
suggesting
that
should
be
done
by
incentives,
but
you
also
now
have,
of
course,
then
what
we're
hearing
is
Metro
North's
interests,
independent
of
that.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
I
think
what,
from
the
staff
level
we'd
find
helpful,
is
you
have
this
list
of
six
different
items?
L
Is
which
ones
do
you
want
to
sort
of
move
to
the
top
and
pursue?
Because
I
think
you
want
to
make
sure
you're
ready
for
this,
because
it's
coming
something's
going
to
come
out
of
this
year's
budget?
Man
I
suspect
next
year's
budget
is
going
to
be
perhaps
even
continuing
that
Trend
and
be
more
aggressive
to
the
extent
you
can
be
in
on
the
ground
level
and
help
design
and
be
involved
in
these
discussions
with
the
beacon
Tod
in
particular
you're,
a
better
position,
bacon.
B
G
L
Also
I
think
you
know
the
property
owner
of
Metro
North
scene
that
you've
given
thought
to
this
thinking
with
the
terroristing.
It
helps
them
move
this
ahead
of
other
projects
where
they
know
the
community
is
receptive
and
that
they
know
what
that
pathway
is
to
getting
a
project
through,
as
opposed
to
the
unknowns.
G
F
A
Yep
agreed
yeah
and
the
only
way
I
could
see
that
our
the
way
we've
zoned
this
could
bump
up
against.
Something
is
if
it's
somehow
in
the
package,
there's
something
we
want
and
that
to
get
that
in
there
we
might
have
to
think
a
little
differently,
because
we
thought
in
isolation
right.
We
said
what
works
here
and
again.
A
I
I
would
be
willing
to
look
at
what
the
package
is
right,
because
if
it's
like,
oh
the
state's
going
to
take
care
of
all
the
infrastructure,
but
what
they're
interested
in
as
a
result
is
maybe
something
we
hadn't
thought
of.
That
that
might
be
part
of
that
would
make
some
sense
to
have
some
flexibility
to
consider,
but
I
I,
like
Arizona
the
way
it
is
right.
A
H
I
Yeah,
the
only
thing
I
would
add
if
I
think
about
affordability.
That
might
be
totally
to
quite
something
to
consider
if
we
could
get
more
affordable
units
in
but
I
think
to
George's
Point
needs
to
be
balanced
against
once
what
the
community
has
already
said
is
important
to
them
when
they
participated
in
the
2017
and
2007
process.
A
C
A
G
A
B
B
So
we
have
hired
a
lot
of
motor
equipment
operators
in
the
last
few
years.
It's
a
competitive
market
and
we
continue
to
lose
people
to
the
private
sector.
So
we're
back
filling
two
positions
where
people
left
to
get
higher
paying
jobs
and
we
interviewed
five
people
Coleman
and
Christopher
were
the
top
two
picks.
We
still
have
one
additional
opening,
but
we
didn't
have
a
candidate
that
we
were
ready
to
go
for
on
that.
So
we
want
to
go
for
these
two.
B
L
That's
right
mayor,
thank
you,
so
our
office
previously
advised
the
council
with
respect
to
the
regulations
of
leaf
blowers,
how's
that
is
regulated
in
New
York
state.
Certain
federal
preemption
matters
concerning
the
Clean
Air
Act
of
the
administrative
level
that
leaf
blowers
need
to
be
regulated
by
noise.
L
Let
me
go
through
the
law,
because
I
think
that
is
is
ultimately
what
we're
looking
at
here
and
so
we've
added-
and
this
is
all
going
in
the
noise
ordinance
chapter
149..
So
we've
added
a
definition
of
leaf
blower.
That's
in
your
packet
and
I'll
go
through
an
overview
when
you
come
back
and
talk
about
any
specific
items,
You've
Won,
section
149-7g.
We
just
took
out
excluding
use
and
operation
of
leaf
blowers
and
noting
that
they
are
regulated
in
a
new
section,
149-7,
K
and
so
on.
L
149-7K.
These
are
specific,
prohibited,
Acts
or
restricted
use
in
activities
with
respect
to
noise,
and
so
K
is
a
new
section
regarding
leaf
blowers
and
the
current
language
states
that
leaf
blowers,
whether
electric
or
fuel,
powered
of
any
type
would
be
not
able
to
be
used
during
the
period
from
May
15
through
September
30th.
L
So
this
seasonal
limitation
is
no
leaf
blowers
of
any
type
from
May
15
to
September
30th
and
then,
during
the
balance
of
the
time
period,
from
October
1st
through
May
14th,
there's
an
hour's
limitation,
so
electrical
gas
could
be
used
from
October
1st
through
May
14th.
But
then
we
have
hours
limitations.
L
B
But
I
do
want
to
raise
that
when
the
CAC,
you
asked
the
CAC
to
do
a
report
on
this,
and
they
did
a
very
thoughtful
analysis
of
it
and
I,
don't
believe
that
they
had
suggested.
We
prohibit
electric
I.
Want
you
to
think
about
the
incentive
that
you're
creating.
If
you
want
people
to
transition
to
a
quiet,
we
know
that
the
electrics
aren't
perfect,
but
they
are
quieter
than
the
gas
and
if,
if
you
were
to
allow
electric
leaf
blowers
but
not
gas,
you've
you've
created
an
incentive
to
do
some
type
of
transition
there.
B
Somehow
that
got
thrown
out
in
the
last
conversation,
so
I
I
do
feel
like
we
should
go
back
to
the
CAC
memo,
because
that
had
this
holistic
way
of
looking
at
it
in
terms
of
how
we
were
going
to
implement
it,
the
time
frame
for
doing
that,
what
you
needed
to
do
beforehand,
because
that
kind
of
seemed
to
get
lost.
In
the
last
conversation,
yeah.
K
B
No-
and
we
can
have
been
put
in
if
you
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
have
more
than
one
discussion
about
this,
so
we
can
put
the
CAC
memo
back
in
to
kind
of
form
it
I
feel
like
towards
the
end.
You
know,
Drew
only
had
a
few
more
meetings.
We
were
trying
to
get
through
things
quickly
in
in
that
we
might
have
lost
some
of
the
original
research
that
had
been
done.
L
A
L
D
A
I
Yeah
and
sort
of
related
to
that
I
think
the
idea
too,
of
if
we
are
I
I,
don't
know
if
we
are
as
a
community
or
at
least
as
a
council
kind
of
moving
towards.
Oh,
there
are
other
ways
you
can
manage.
Your
leaves
on
your
property
and
we
do
want
to
be
encouraging
that
a
I
think
we
need
to
maybe
talk
about
that
more
explicitly
and
be
like
what
does
that
mean
as
a
council?
What
are
we
saying?
What
kind
of
education
stuff
do?
I
I
I
Think
it's
great
to
have
this,
so
we
can
go
back
and
kind
of
actually
look
at
like
oh
the
point
about
electric
versus
gas
versus
timeline,
for
you
know
versus
what
do
we
want
to
educate
the
public
about
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
or
just
touched
on
today.
So
yes,
more
open,
okay,.
J
I
think
my
one
question:
there
is
because
I
agree
in
the
public
education
direction
that
the
CAC
alluded
to
I,
don't
know
what
sort
of
city
capacity
we
have
to
implement.
Something
like
that.
It's
not
something
that
at
least
I've
seen
the
the
council
do
on
its
own
before.
If
that's
something
we
would
lean
on
the
CAC
to
do
so.
That's
just
one
of
my
underlying
infrastructure
questions
as
we
continue
this
discussion.
I
A
A
H
B
J
B
So
there
is
a
little
bit
of
background
in
history
to
understanding
what
these
are.
I'm
gonna
give
you
that,
and
then
I'll
tell
you
where
we've
been
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
two
models.
Both
of
these
models
have
been
designed
by
New
York
state,
to
help
Foster
the
development
of
renewable
energy
and
in
the
CCA
model,
or
the
Community
Choice
aggregation.
One
of
the
other
stated
goals
is
to
bring
costs
down
for
consumers,
so
I'm
going
to
just
go
through
three
kind
of
definitions
that
that
you
need.
B
The
public
will
need
to
understand
this
conversation.
Firstly,
in
the
New
York
State
Market,
we
have
a
deregulated
Market
where
the
utility
that
supplies
electricity
is
no
longer
necessarily
the
utility
that
you
buy
the
power
from
so
we've
separated
or
bifurcated
that
so
that
delivery
is
done
by
the
utility
like
Central
Hudson,
and
then
you
can
buy
Power
from
something
called
an
energy
supply
company
or
an
Esco.
B
So
some
people,
like
the
city,
for
instance,
we
buy
Central,
Hudson
business
for
the
delivery
and
then
an
Esco
called
Constellation
Energy
actually
buys
the
power
on
our
behalf,
and
we
get
a
rate
that
generally
is
better
than
Central
Hudson,
so
understanding
that
the
state
promulgated,
the
CCA
model,
Community
Choice,
aggregation
and
basically
what
it
does
is.
It
allows
a
municipality
to
partner,
with
an
administrator
to
bid
out
elect
the
supply.
B
Basically,
what
what
we
did
is
we
passed
a
law
in
2017
to
say
we
authorized
that
so
that
we
can,
on
behalf
of
residents
and
small
businesses,
pull
them
into
this
bid.
That,
in
in
our
case,
was
more
than
10
municipalities
and
they
go
out
to
bid
and
what
they
do
is
they
bid
a
fixed
rate
for
electricity.
So
you
they
for
a
kilowatt
hour.
You
would
pay
six
seven
ten
cents,
whatever
that
fixed
rate
is,
as
opposed
to
the
variable
rate.
B
At
other
points
when,
like
the
economy,
is
fading
during
the
the
peak
of
covid,
when
people
weren't
doing
a
lot,
it
went
down
to
five
or
six
cents,
so
you
have
Central
Hudson
with
a
variable
rate.
The
S
goes
with
a
fixed
rate,
and
then
we
basically
had
we
went
into
this
electricity
Supply
contract
in
July
2019,
with
an
administrator
that
administrator
is
called
Jewel
assets.
Jewel
is,
if
you
look
it
up
there,
they
do
business
all
over
the
world.
B
B
So
we
did
a
first
contract
with
Jewel
that
was
before
I
was
here
and
before
Lee
was
mere.
We
did
a
second
renewal
in
June
2021,
where
we
got
another
fixed
rate
price.
Now,
one
of
the
things
that
I
learned
when
we
did
that
is
I
had
to
send
a
letter
out
to
everybody
in
Beacon,
saying
we're
putting
you
into
this
program
on
an
opt-out
basis.
B
So
if
you
don't
want
to
participate,
you
can
send
in
this
card
to
opt
out
and
of
course,
we
we
have
some
number
of
people
that
did
it,
but
generally,
when
you
do
an
opt
out
as
opposed
to
an
opt-in,
you
get
much
better
participation
somewhere
in
the
85
to
90
percent
range
at
the
highest
and
at
the
lowest,
maybe
50
percent,
for
an
opt-in
program.
It's
much
less,
it's
like
five
or
ten
percent.
B
So
we
did
that
second
contract
and
we
basically
ended
up
with
an
electricity
supplier
named
Columbia
utility
Powers,
which
I'll
just
call
Columbia
and
back
in
March
of
2022
things
were
going
well.
Our
consumers
were
in
fact
saving
money.
We
were
getting
power
that
had
renewable
energy
credits
attached
to
it.
The
price
of
power
had
gone
up
very
high
on
and
then
the
company
that
supplied
the
electricity
put
in
an
application
to
withdraw
from
the
CCA.
The.
B
Especially
called
them
the
names
that
I
have
down
here-
okay,
good
I'll,
lay
off
on
the
names,
so
we
were
informed
that
they
they
wanted
out
of
that
contract.
As
Nick
has
just
mentioned,
we
did
end
up
going
into
litigation
to
stop
them
from
exiting
that
contract.
They
they
blamed
their
inability
to
fulfill
their
contract
on
the
Central
Hudson
billing
issue.
We
we
all
know
that
Central
Hudson's
billing
was
a
debacle,
but
it
wasn't
an
excuse
for
pulling
out
of
this.
B
There
were
other
reasons
they
pulled
out
of
this,
so
we
went
to
court
along
with
Jewel
and
10
other
communities.
We
were
able,
thanks
in
part,
to
Nick,
to
get
a
temporary
restraining
order
against
the
company
saying
you
know
you
are
going
to
have
to
continue
providing
power
under
this
agreement,
we're
going
to
litigate
it.
You
can't
just
Escape
it's
funny,
the
very
next
month
after
the
tro
was
issued.
B
There
was
a
requirement
by
The
Entity
that
operates
the
Grid
in
New,
York
state
and
that's
called
The
Independent
systems
operator,
and
they
had
a
collateral
agreement.
They
had
to
post
a
certain
amount
of
collateral
in
order
for
Columbia
to
stay
in
the
system
and
and
boy
they
couldn't
find
that
money,
so
they
got
kicked
out
of
the
New
York
State
grid
system,
and
then
they
turned
around
and
they
said
oh
we're
done.
We
can't
provide
power
anymore,
we're
going
to
switch
everybody
back
to
Central
Hudson.
B
That
happened
mid
billing
cycle
in
July
last
year
and
it
was
a
mess
we
we
had
dozens
of
calls
for
a
number
of
reasons.
One
is
Central.
Hudson
was
telling
people
that
the
billing
debacle
was
related
to
our
CCA.
That
is
not
true
and
Central.
Hudson,
since
has
admitted
that
that's
not
true
and
that
their
billing
issue
was
separate.
B
B
So
we're
we're
still
in
the
litigation
and
we
were
last
year
and
then
in
mid-october
Jewell
said
well
we're
ready
to
go
back
into
another
bid,
we're
going
to
get
all
the
you
know
we're
going
to
get
the
team
together
again
and
go
out
for
another
bid,
and
we
said:
wait
a
second
we're
still
in
a
lawsuit
with
Colombia
that
hasn't
been
resolved.
It's
not
clear
to
us
that
the
model
that
you
use
that
broke
is
fixed,
and
then
we
also
began
questioning.
B
B
If
the
economy
goes
down,
if
you
have
economic
issues,
usually
electricity
use
goes
down
in
the
price
of
that
commodity
goes
down,
so,
in
late
in
in
late,
October
jewel
informed
us
that
if
we
wanted
to
participate
it,
we
had
to
make
a
decision
within
like
a
month
to
pull
something
on
our
website.
We
had
multiple
conversations
between
our
attorneys,
the
mayor
myself,
Jessica
stromback,
the
CEO
of
Jewel,
Glenn,
Weisberg
I
believe,
and
we
basically
said,
look
we're
uncomfortable
moving
forward
this
quickly.
Why?
Why
don't
you
wait
until
next
year?
B
Let's
see,
let's
let
the
Central
Hudson
billing
issues
resolve
out,
let's
see
where
the
litigation
goes,
and
if
there's
any
penalty
assessed
to
Colombia,
so
that
there's
actually
accountability
on
these
contracts.
Let's
see
what
the
Public
Service
Commission,
which
is
the
regulatory
body
in
New
York,
does
to
Colombia,
because
they
were
also
going
to
take
action.
So
by
mid-november
we
basically
were
given.
Well,
you
got
to
get
on
board
the
train
now
or
the
trains
leaving.
E
B
Brought
that
to
you
immediately
on
November
14th,
we
did
an
executive
session
Nick
and
I
outlined
this
entire
thing
to
the
council
to
hear
some
weeks
ago
that
we
weren't
being
transparent.
It's
just
not
accurate.
We
brought
this
to
the
council
and
we
were
very
clear
about
what
we
were
doing
and
why
we
were
deciding
that
the
resolution
that
provided
for
the
contract
back
in
2021
the
mayor
was
given
discretion
whether
or
not
to
enter
an
electricity
agreement
or
not.
B
So
then,
following
that
executive
session,
you
were
getting
questions
from
the
public
and
I
did
a
memo
to
you
that
I
believe
we
allowed
to
be
released
publicly
now
now
they're
going
back
into
a
new
bid
and
we're
getting
questions.
Some
of
those
questions
were
coming
from
people
that
actually
worked
for
Jewel.
So
I
need
you
to
know
that
Hudson
Valley
Community
power
works
for
Jewel,
they're
they're
a
separate
non-profit
entity,
but
they
they
are
a
contractor
for
Jewel.
So
so
again
we
tried
to
find
a
way
forward,
which
brings
us
to
the
second
model.
B
We
began
having
discussions
with
other
cities
like
the
city
of
Kingston
that
isn't
in
this
program,
and
that
was
trying
to
do
something
more
Innovative
and
that's
where
CDG
or
Community
Development
Community
distributed
generation
comes
in,
and
this
is
something
some
of
us
already
use
in
our
own
households.
Again
go
back
to
you
have
a
supply
company,
which
is
your
utility,
which
is
Central
Hudson.
You
have
an
Esco
that
actually
provides
the
power
now
I'm
going
to
throw
in
a
third
thing,
which
is
community,
solar
or
CDG.
B
Basically,
this
is
a
model
by
which
they
develop
new
renewable
energy,
particularly
solar
inor
area.
So,
unlike
the
wind
certificates
that
are
being
bought
for
the
electricity
under
the
CCA,
which
can
come
from
like
Madison
County,
but
how
have
no
way
of
getting
down
here.
These
are
areas
that
are
like
solar
farms
in
Orange,
County,
Ulster
County,
that
are
inner
grid
and
contribute
to
our
grid
and.
C
B
That
on
the
CDG
model,
you
basically
buy
a
subscription
it's
for
people
that
don't
have
their
own
solar
on
their
house,
although
there
are
ways
for
them
to
participate,
and
this
was
designed
so
that
we
could
support
the
financing
for
more
of
these
projects
to
be
quickly
developed
and
in
in
doing
that,
you're
supporting
both
local
solar
and
you
get
about
a
10
discount
off
whatever
variable
rate
that
you're
paying
for
Central,
Hudson
or
whatever
fixed
rate
you're
paying
from
your
Esco.
So
these
credits
go
on
top
of
those
other
two
programs.
B
So
if
you're,
if
your
bill
is
a
hundred
dollars,
you
get
credit
for
you
end
up
paying
only
ninety
dollars
for
that
and
what
we.
What
we
propose
to
the
council
at
that
time
is
that
the
state
was
considering
like
the
CCA,
this
opt-out
model,
where
we
send,
we
basically
put
everybody
in
the
pool
and
if
they
don't
want
to
be
in
the
pool,
they
opt
out
and
we're
looking
to
do
that
for
CDG,
so
that
these
solar
credits
would
go
on
and
no
matter
what
we
are
not
betting
on
a
price.
B
B
I've
talked
to
sustainable
Westchester,
which
is
like
the
non-profit
Jewel
down
in
Westchester,
when
the
state
does
approve
that
I
would
like
to
move
forward
and
propose
to
you
to
go
into
the
CDG
program
in
the
meantime,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
do
other
things
that
move
the
ball
forward.
So
I
want
to
let
you
know
those
as
well.
B
The
174
kilowatt
solar
installation
that
we
want
to
put
on
the
highway
garage-
and
we
just
last
week,
got
a
signed
contract
from
the
state
for
grant
money
in
the
that
covers
about
30
percent
of
it.
We're
also
talking
individual
about
coming
on
as
a
consultant
to
help
us
get
some
of
the
the
tax
credits
that
are
available
through
the
inflation
reduction.
B
If
we
can,
if
see
our
way
through
this
being
fixed,
I'd
like
to
see
how
the
litigation
ends
I'd
like
to
see
how
it
works
out
from
a
price
point,
I'd
also
like
to
see
if
we
could
do
the
CDG
instead
of
that,
because
if
your
your
goals
are
two
things
on
this
one
is
fostering
greater
development
of
renewable
energy
in
this
grid
area.
The
CDG
does
that
the
CCA
doesn't
it
does
support
Renewables,
but
a
lot
of
those
Renewables
are
in
areas
that
don't
have
transmission
capacity
to
our
ISO
zone
or
our
grid
Zone.
B
The
other
thing
is
to
save
money
with
the
CCA.
If
you
bet
wrong,
you
actually
are
going
to
cost
your
residents
more
money
with
the
CDG.
Whatever
the
variable
rate
is
they
save
10?
So
that's
why
we
had
suggested
that
we
not
go
into
the
CCA
that
we
look
to
do
the
CDG
I
want
to
remind
you
that
when
this
came
up
we
had
a
month
we
were
in
the
middle
of
our
budget.
B
I
was
trying
to
get
the
firehouse
design
finished
and,
and
again
the
thought
of
having
to
explain
this
to
angry
consumers
again
was
was
not
something.
I
was
ready
to
do
because
Jewel
wanted
to
do
it
at
that
time.
So
again,
I
I,
we
we've
kept
a
good
relationship
with
Jewel.
We've
supported
their
lawsuit.
Nick
did
a
lot
of
work
for
them.
That.
E
B
B
671
thousand
dollars
over
that
last
contract.
So
when
people
say
that
what
Beacon
did
cost
us
money,
that's
not
true,
it
actually
saved
the
residents
of
Beacon
671
thousand
dollars,
because
in
that
case
the
BET
worked
so
again,
I
I
know
that's
longer
than
probably
anybody
wanted
to
hear.
But
but
if
I
can
memorize
all
that,
then
you.
E
A
A
B
Just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that,
and
one
of
the
things
we
might
do
in
the
interim
is
work
with
Jewel
and
or
sustainable
Westchester
to
set
up
a
ready-made
program.
So
if
people
do
want
to
participate,
they
don't
have
to
go
and
research.
All
of
this
we've
already
done
it.
They
can
easily
participate.
B
J
I
feel
like
I,
hope
people
listen
to
it
and
then
listen
to
it
again
to
remember
all
those
details
and
I
hope
that
I
have
been
communicating
to
constituents
what
you
described
adequately
in
in
this
interim
period
that
we've
been
in
and
I
think.
The
last
thing
you
said
ties
into
the
question
that
I
had
gotten,
which
is
it
would
be
great
for
individual
constituents
to
in
the
meantime,
know
what
their
opt-in
options
are
as
individuals.
J
You
know,
I
pointed
this
person
to
you
know,
there's
a
whole
world
of
sort
of
opt-in
models
out
there
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
necessarily
worth
the
city's
time
to
like
create
recommendations,
but
it
sounded
like
a
little
bit
what
you
were
sort
of
getting
at
as
as
a
good
Next,
Step
and
yeah.
While
we
wait
in
the
meantime
for
this
CDG
option,
which
I
continue
to
agree
is,
is
a
good
step.
I.
B
B
How
that
exactly
Works
will
need
to
be
worked
out
that
they
we
we
have
to
find
some
way
in
which
they
are
compensated
for
their
time.
So
again,
I
think
I
think
we
can
do
that.
I
know.
People
have
asked
me
in
the
past
to
do
this.
They're,
like
I,
don't
even
know
because
they
hear
about
Nick's
camp
and
then
there's
companies
that
go
door
to
door
and
there's
I'm
in
something
called
green
power
where
I
or
Green
Street
power
where
I
live,
and
it's
really
hard
to
decipher.
B
The
the
billing
issues,
I
I,
would
slow
walk
this
a
little
bit
because
there's
no
way
these
billing
issues
have
been
fully
resolved.
Like
I
I.
Don't
know
about
you
guys,
but
I
I,
don't
even
know
when
I
get
a
bill
anymore.
I
get
two
bills
one
month
and
then
go
three
months
and
then
then
I
get
these
credits
and
they
I
I've,
given
up
even
trying
to
track
it
like
I,
just
track
it
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
I'm,
like
that's
close.
B
B
A
C
B
M
Thanks
for
having
me
okay,
so
the
resolution
that
we
put
together
for
you
is
would
do
two
things.
First,
it
would
Express
opposition
to
whole
text
release
of
contaminated
water
into
the
Hudson
River
and,
secondly,
it
would
Express
support
for
a
state
ban.
That's
been
proposed
by
an
assembly
member
and
a
state
senator
that
would
ban
any
radiological
agent
being
released
into
New
York
Waters
at
all.
M
So
I'll
give
some
context
for
where
this
draft
resolution
is
coming
from
what
happened
so
Indian
Point
is
a
nuclear
power
plant
in
a
village
called
Buchanan,
which
is
down
near
peakskill.
The
plant
stopped
operating
in
2021
and
at
that
point
a
company
called
whole
Tech,
took
ownership
of
the
plant
and
is
responsible
for
the
decommissioning
process.
They
have
oversight
from
a
multi-stakeholder
group,
called
the
decommissioning
oversight
board
and,
if
you're
interested
in
additional
points
of
reference
for
whole
tax
practices,
the
same
company
has
other
decommissioning
projects
in
process.
M
Right
now,
there's
one
at
a
plant
in
Massachusetts
called
Pilgrim
Nuclear
and
one
in
New
Jersey
called
Oyster
Bay.
So
coming
back
to
Indian
Point.
What
happened
recently
is
that
in
February
this
year,
holtec
informed
the
decommissioning
oversight
Board
of
its
plans
for
how
to
deal
with
the
radioactive
waste
water
that
the
plant
had
been
generating
during
its
operation
and
from
among
all
the
options
available
for
handling
that
contaminated
water.
Well,
Tech
announced
that
it
was
going
to
discharge
that
water
into
the
Hudson
River.
M
M
So,
along
with
Beacon's
resolution,
there
are
other
communities
in
a
wider
effort,
that's
being
coordinated
by
riverkeeper
Clearwater,
the
Sierra
Club
physician
for
social
responsibility
and
others
who
are
trying
to
stop
the
release
of
this
walk
and
I
mentioned
the
state
Bill.
The
second
to
last
clause
in
the
resolution
is
where
that
appears
and
that
bill
is
expected
to
get
some
discussion
once
the
state
budget
passes
so
sometime
in
the
coming
month.
Perhaps,
and
it
would
need
to
kind
of
move
quickly.
M
I
I'm
curious,
if
there's
any
insight,
yes
to
whether
or
not
once
the
bills
do
get
discussed,
they're
likely
to
pass,
or
if
this
just
the
kind
of
the
benefit
of
us
passing
a
resolution
in
support
of
that.
If
that
could
make
a
difference
to
it
actually
being
taken
more
seriously
at
the
state
level,
yeah
I.
M
E
A
B
C
B
When
we
got
word
of
that,
we
did
reach
out
to
Congressman
Pat
Ryan's
office
in
Kingston.
They
were
doing
a
call
today
with
their
Washington
office,
to
ascertain
what
the
details
on
it.
I
I
did
reach
out
to
both
the
postmaster,
who
is
currently
on
a
different
assignment.
The
beacon
postmasters
over
in
Hopewell
and
I
spoke
to
the
interim
postmaster.
Neither
of
them
believes
that
closure
is
is
at
all
considered.
They
they
thought
that
was
highly
unlikely.
It
had
not
been
discussed.
B
What
is
being
discussed
is
doing
these
s
d
centers
the
sorting
and
delivery.
So
the
carriers
that
now
report
for
the
13
routes
that
are
done
in
the
12508
area
would
instead
report
to
new
Burke.
There
were
there
were
15
or
16
communities
that
were
going
to
be
moved
over
there
and
included.
Fishkill
no
pulse
was
on
the
list.
Rock
Tavern,
a
number
of
other
areas
and
I
talked
to
when
I
talked
to
the
postmaster.
She
said.
B
Basically,
all
of
the
retail
functions
of
the
of
the
post
office
are
going
to
remain
the
same
and
in
fact
there
was
a
similar
kind
of
consolidation
of
the
deliver.
The
sorting
and
delivery
in
eastern
Duchess
some
years
ago
that
Hopewell
was
part
of
and
there's
they
still
remain
open,
so
I
have
other
calls
we're
waiting
for
a
final
callback
from
Congressman
Ryan's
office.
I
also
did
speak.
B
I
left
messages
with
the
vice
president
of
the
American
Postal
Workers
Union,
who
I
worked
with
years
ago,
fighting
other
closures
in
Sullivan
County,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
any
real
threat
to
close
the
post
office.
It
would
change
where
the
carriers
report,
but
the
function
day-to-day.
Your
delivery,
your
ability
to
go
to
the
Post
Office
to
have
a
box
to
purchase
Postage
and
other
items.
There
would
not
change
so.
B
B
So
again,
if
somebody
was
going
to
close
post
offices,
this
would
not
be
top
of
the
list
to
close
and
and
again
when
we
fought
this
years
ago,
when
I
was
in
a
congressional
office,
we
were
closing
very,
very
small
post
offices
in
towns
that
you
wouldn't
even
recognize
the
name
of
where
they
only
had
a
few
people
going
in
and
a
few
boxes
left
and
even
there
we
were
able
to
stop
it.
So
that's
my
update.
Okay.